February 21, 2023 • 39 mins
On today’s Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Packers are reportedly “disgusted” with Aaron Rodgers and ready to move on but could it be a smoke screen. The Giants will likely deploy an interesting strategy when it comes to Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley. Plus, Changes are proposed to help speed up the game for D1 college football.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with la Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on Fox
Sports Radio. So I guess Aaron Rodgers is coming out
of his darkness at some point. Wasn't wasn't it yesterday?
Was it yesterday? I don't know. I thought it was
it was it? Was it five days or forty? Man,
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you guys aren't in the inner circle. You don't know.
That's fair, That is very That's why I just asked.
But Bob McGinn coming out. Bob McGinn, who covers the Packers. Uh,
he was talking on the Golong podcast over the weekend
and through some speculation and some conversations that he's add
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with some people possibly in the know about where the
Packers stand on this whole thing over it take a
listen based on discussion with someone who just firsthand knowledge
of this organizations of the Packers internal debates that they
are done with Rogers, that that's the way it is
right now, that he's not coming back. I mean, they're
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disgusted with him, and they're done with them, and they're
moving on. And this is going to involve money and
a trade partner and all kinds of things, But I'm
totally convinced he will not be their starting quarterback this year.
On the other hand, they love Jordan Love They think
he is the second coming. Now. They have seen enough
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in practice for three years that they believe he is
like Rogers two point zero. That's where this organization is
coming from right now. So that was Bob again on
Most Likable Dude. I'll tell you that, Geez, Bob, he
sounded a tad bit abrasive, didn't he like like he
had beef with Aaron Rodgers biting facts? I mean, he
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did cover the Packers for thirty eight years and retired
like six years ago. That's long time, long time Green
Bay Presquez at Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. U is how surprising
is this though, because it feels like maybe even Aaron
Rodgers pull back the layers. We pull back the layers.
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Let me ask you guys some questions about this. So
you've got a guy in Bob mcgintny's well respected in
the let's put it this way, in this state of Wisconsin.
Well respected. Not saying he's not outside national circles for
covering the Packers, but he's probably not that well known
nationally but extremely well respected in the state of Wisconsin.
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He's retired, though, and so why now, why is why
is his you know, his commentary and all this coming
to version now? It feels like it's one of those
jobs where the packers are are trying to push this
narrative out there because otherwise, like, what's the point. Why
don't have someone who's actually working day to day in
that business that you have a relationship with, maybe because
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you want to, you know, work with someone who's retired,
extremely well respected in the industry. So it makes some
sense from that standpoint. I don't think Bob McGinn is
part of obviously Rogers inner circle because he's not talking
even from Rogers standpoint. Everything's everything's from the packers standpoint,
and so I just think the who is saying this
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and the when considering he's not even you know, they're
working that beat day to day is interesting and it
feels very much planted by the packers, where if there's
not already enough of a fracture there between Rogers and packers,
they're trying to create one. And honestly, like I think
this has probably been two years in the making, because
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you can't like some of the comments that I think
came out and my Jonas, I think in your notes
you had put disgusted was one of the worst. Yeah,
that's a strong And here's the problem is, you can't
say disgusted for what reason? Right, You already went through
the season where he was immunized and not vaccinated. You've
already went through the Ashwa Tonger, whatever the hell he's
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he's doing. These been doing that for years now, and
some of those seasons ended up being MVP seasons. So
now you're disgusted, Like it feels like they've been sitting
on this play or this this game plan to remove
themselves from Aaron Rodgers for a couple of years. They
just were trying to time it out when he had
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a lesser season, and this season obviously wasn't his best,
it wasn't their team's best, and they feel like this
is the time now to start this play. If that
makes sense. Yeah, I definitely agree with that does make sense,
And I also believe that this was the perfect time.
Like you got to keep in mind, I've I've gone
to some pretty traditional schools, one being Penn State, and
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you just there was never really a time where you
were able to say you're fired or were relieving you
of your duty and you will no longer be the
coach of this team anymore. You just didn't have enough
acting in support to be able to do it. If
there were ever a moment in time to be able
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to say you know what, we're discussed it, or and
not you say it, but you it gets leaked out
that this is how people are feeling. The first of all,
they were already disgusted because he aired them out last year,
like they were already discussed it, and they're already sitting
there like I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, can't do nothing
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about it. He holds all the cards you have your
your first season where you could look at Aaron Rodgers
and be like dang, like this was not an Aaron
Rodger esque type of season. And there are certain moments
in time when he's doing his podcast where you could
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sit there and you could kind of pinpoint and say
is his focus really where it needs to be? So
these people that are leaking this out, the brass who
maybe allowed this to take place and are using this
as as as a mechanism to to separate Aaron Rodgers
from the Green Bay Packers. They were waiting for this moment.
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They were waiting for the moment where they could sit
there and say we're done with Aaron Rodgers and actually
leak it out. That's why I think that it's the retired,
the retired gentleman that has all the credibility, because you
want it to be credible. You just don't want it
to be from someone that is like an Adam Schefter
or or you know who's the other guy at that
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Aaron Rodgers or Ian rap report. You don't want it
to come from them because you don't want it to
be denied. You don't want your fan base to be like, Okay,
this is not true. Aaron's coming back now. You want
them to believe that Aaron is added there. But the one,
the one, this could be a critical mistake and and
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all of that. Jordan Love is not Aaron Rodgers two
point zero. And I think we can all agree on that.
So to add that as an insult to injury like
Jordan Love can end up being a very very fine pro,
no doubt about it. He has the potential to They
drafted him high. He could have a fine career, but
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there's nothing about what we've seen from Jordan Love that
would give you the idea, which we haven't seen a
lot of. But I feel like we've seen enough to
know that if Aaron Rodgers couldn't navigate this season with
the personnel that he had to have a better season
the way he was able to have, why would you
think that put in Jordan Love out there now with
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what would be perceivably a lack of what talent on
the outsides? I mean, you got one and Watson he
developed nicely as the season went on, you got a
good backfield, you got Aaron Jones resigned. But what makes
you think that put in Jordan Love into this scenario
in particular is going to be a productive campaign for Love.
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If he can do it, it's great, But I thought
that that was an ill advised move to put that
target on Jordan loves back. Right now, how many guys
have been four time NFL and VPS, what one two
outside of Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, Peyton Manning and then is
Brady Brady's got it as many times as that? Yeah,
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I don't know. We listened. We couldn't even get confirmed
answers on this last time. We had the conversation because
damn Google and Pro Football. I thought he was on
the phone with Mac McClung trying to um, you know,
get him over to his team. Yeah that's true. Now
please looking at badly. You made your choice. Sorry, buddy,
we got Mac McClung. Now you got it. You got it, Lee,
I believe Tom Brady only has three and yeah, Peyton
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Manning and and Aaron Rodgers with four. There you go.
I saw it in his face. I mean, so you say,
Jordan loves it's gonna be Aaron Rodgers Peyton Manning base. Yeah,
you said two point zero. So to me, there you go.
I mean when you say somebody two point zero, you're
basically saying this dude is b baller, Like we're good, Like,
get him out of here. You won't even miss. I
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just I don't know why you want to do that
as an or. You know, if you're playing this card,
it's it's wrong for the player. If it is about
the Packers, for example, that's what even building up their expectations,
because I think that's part of this is you've got
to create this riff, this divide that turns the Packer
fan base on Aaron Rodgers. So that then Jordan Love
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can be better received, right because he's been behind the
scenes working his tailf trying to get ready, and the
Packers can create more of um, not only interests, but
I think excitement about you know, the transition to Jordan Love,
right and yeah, and so because there's gonna be fans
who love loved Aaron Rodgers. But because of this riff
now the Packers are trying to turn it where like, well,
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you know, I might not be a fan of Jordan
Love yet, but you also don't want to like Jordan Rodgers,
so Aaron Rodgers. So that's why you want to root
for Jordan Love, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's
not even about necessarily rooting for Jordan Love. It's just
about hating Aaron Rodgers. And it feels like the Packers
are trying to do that, And doesn't it also seem
like they're trying to piss off Rogers to ensure that
he does want to come back, and they'll just trade
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him and try and get something in return, as opposed
to him just walking away altogether, and they get nothing,
like if he just retires. They already know though they
already know what the scenario that they're facing duds filed
down a little toothbrush, stick him in the side and say,
come on, what are you gonna do about it? Right
somewhere else right in and then they get some trade
compensation back for him. Maybe they were hoping that he
wouldn't hear what was being said about him because he
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was isolated. Yeah, it's very very probable Peyton Manning has
five MVP, or maybe they're testing it out. You know,
maybe this actually somehow is a conspiracy theory where Bob
again is a part of that group outside the inner circle,
and Rogers inner circles like testing it. You know, they're
floating out all these different Rodgers okay, trying to sniff
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out him, and they're trying to find the rat they're
going to hold you. But that could be some of
the most brillion s that I've heard of in terms
of strategically making things happen, because to sit there and
you be the reason why. First of all, it sounds
like there's animosity towards Aaron Rodgers in the way that
that buddy sounded talking on it. So if he's speaking
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on behalf of somebody who leaked it from Rogers' side,
then that's fire because now you're forcing you're forcing the
hand of Green Bay to do something with Aaron Rodgers.
You're trying to replace what the hope is and the
feeling and excitement is for your fan base with Jordan Love.
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At the same time, you're trying to let everybody know
out there that we want to trade him. And if
that's Aaron Rodgers doing that, that's that's I mean, that's wow.
And then now you get to leave without people having
hard feelings towards you with Aaron Rodgers, and for what
it's worth, you probably will have hard feelings towards towards
green Bay can because of the way, Oh we're done.
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We're disgusted with who wants to get the fan base support?
I mean Aaron Rodgers or the Packers. Yeah, it's all
a play. Wow. Yeah, I mean Aaron he did tell
them that, you know, they don't come here for the
cheese or anything else, they come here for a rod
He was put he put his flag down in the ground. Yeah,
so now you are putting you I mean, it's just man,
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that's like trying to become king after soccer Zulu Man like,
who's gonna who's gonna like precede him? Man, It's like,
come on, man, y'all don't even know who soccer Zulu? Now,
that's all right, good point though, Look it up though.
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on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. So,
the Daniel Jones situation with the New York Giants as
I don't know if it's taken a turn, but there's
been a couple of developments here that, according to ESPN,
Dandil Jones is switching agents from CIA to athletes first,
whatever the hell that means, and he's getting ready to
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negotiate a new deal with the Giants. Uh, and that
this is you know, on the eve of that is
they're in having conversations about it, and that Pro Football
Talk also reported that Jones when when throwing the initial
offer by the Giants, he was actually aiming towards something
around forty five million dollars a year, which apparently the
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Giants are not too fond of, which brings up the
potential franchise tag. But that is where we stand with
the Daniel Jones Saga and the New York Giants this
offseason as they declined his fifth year option and they
are looking to get a deal done somewhere or another.
So so first off, var did you ever switch agents? No,
and I didn't even like my agent at the end
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I switch, So that's I won't go that far. I
love Tom Connon. Tom was my guy, and that's almost
with Tom Condon. Yeah. I liked Tom, love to love
him like Joel Siege. Okay, would you end up going
with the postings? Okay, yeah, exactly, boll No, My whole
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thing is that was the athlete's first back then. Okay, yeah,
so if you did what I'm saying, yeah, okay. So
Tom was with with CIA and athletes first at the
time when I was coming on the draft, had an
agent named Dave Dunne. Dave dunn was suspended for that
year from being able to negotiate contracts. Now, at that
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point in time, that was a bigger deal because it
was my rookie deal and the advice that a lot
of agents give prospective or prospects coming into to the
NFL is you know, you don't know that you're going
to get a second deal, and so you better make
sure the person that you do that first deal with
the subone you feel comfortable with. And in that in
that instance, athletes first was somewhat eliminated from the conversation
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for me, just because the guy who ultimately I wanted
to be doing the negotiating doing the deal wasn't going
to be able to do it. And so Tom Conna
and Cia ended up being who I decided to go with,
felt comfortable with, and they did a great job as
far as structurally how they created the contract. But the
problem and the problem is back then there are so
many things to negotiate, so many things, so it was
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different than now, whereas in today's NFL, when you're drafted
as a rookie, you might say, well, if he's suspended
for a year, that's fine, because the rookie deal really
isn't that hard to negotiate. There's two things. It's signing
bonus and the timing of that signing bonus when you
get those moneys, and then it's offsets, meaning if I
end up getting traded somewhere else, you know, who's on
the hook for it? You know, cut all stuff. Who's
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on the hook for how much? You know? That's essentially
what is what are the two things they're negotiating now.
So in this case, we're not talking about a rookie,
but we're talking about a guy who's at the end
of his rookie deal and he's choosing to change ages.
And it's kind of interesting only because these going from
CIA to athletes first, these are the two I would say,
of what the biggest LaVar Yeah, football relevant right now. Yeah,
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they got the biggest names, and so it's almost like
you're kind of jumping ship to their competitor. And this
is kind of like a this is a big slap
in the face, like that change of agency on the
cusp of what could be whether it's and we can
talk about the franchise tag and then the difference between
the exclusive non exclusive, but this is a big deal,
Like it's a bigger deal than most realized, just because
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of the initial hit that that agency is gonna get
or in the case of Sea, they're not gonna get
from this particular deal. I just I think when you
first of all, if you if you if you look
at the dynamics of both agencies. Is kind of interesting
that Daniel Jones will go to athletes first. I mean,
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we've started off every hour the same way so far,
that we'll keep the theme the same an hour two. Um,
I find that to be interesting. Um, he might be
the first first what quarterback of that dark hair? Yep, yep,
that right there? Okay, um, and like what else just
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his hair? Well, let's just say he don't look like
Jalen Ramsey. So are you saying, in fact he does?
He is he Mac mcclunging. I mean, I'm saying he
don't athletes first, you know, he doesn't look like the
Seaun Watson who those are both UH athletes and players.
For athletes first, they've had some some some quarterbacks in
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the past. I don't recall seeing them. That's that's why
I said I don't I don't check them that. I
don't check them that close. I just I just see
here and there, the you know, stuff that pops up
with guys that I know that are with um, you know,
like Michael Parsons is, you know, Dafeo Way is with them. Um.
So you know, I just I just see maybe their posts,
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you know, I don't. I don't do deep dives on them.
They've had other mac mcclungs. What you're saying, I don't know.
It sounds like Q said they do, so I'm gonna work. Yeah,
for sure. Having the past, I'll take his word for
big morning brass Brady. I mean it's a little shady
these days though. I mean there's a whole lot of
trees covering the sun. So let me let me get
down to like the difference and where they're at as
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far as what Daniel Jones reportedly in his camp thinks
he's worth. So they're saying, hey, we're worth forty five
million a year. Now. He's saying this because he played
well enough this season to warrant consideration for what's called
the franchise tag. But you have to understand there's two
different versions of it. There's the exclusive franchise tag, which
would give him that forty five million approximately. That's the
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value that is set every year. It's the average of
the top five quarterbacks of their salaries and what that
equates to, right or one hundred and twenty percent of
your previous year's salary, depending on what that number was.
In this case, the top five average would be what
Daniel Jones is aiming for, because it's more the problem
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is the Giants are looking at him going, yeah, but
we don't feel like you're worth forty five million a year.
And so here's what we're going to do. We're gonna
put the non exclusive franchise tag on you, and franchise
tag number is thirty two point four million. And here's
what this does. So you can play for thirty two
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point four million fully guaranteed this year because we've tagged you,
but we're gonna allow every other NFL team to potentially
come in and negotiate a long term contract with you.
And then and then here's what happens. We have We
have a decision to make. We can either choose to
match that well, we can say nope, we're gonna let
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you go with that team, and guess what that team
gives up instead two first round draft picks. So I
love this move for the New York Very strategic. It's
incredibly strategic. It's probably what you're going to see a
lot teams do who have guys who are drafted in
the first round that don't get their fifth year option
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picked up. If Daniel Jones would have played under this
fifth year option one, the Giants would have been a
position right now where he's playing under contract fully guaranteed,
but it would have been like twenty two twenty four millions,
something like that someone in the ballpark. So yes, they
spend a little more in this case if he plays
for them for a year at thirty two point four.
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But they also have the potential of a couple of things.
One determining like, hey, we see this guy's thirty two
point four million. We don't see him, you know, him
being a longer term contract guy, at least not right now.
We probably want to see him do it a second
year in a row before we agree to that. But
they can let the market market dictate that, and there's
power in that because they're probably thinking of themselves. Look,
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if we think he's not worth that, then let's see
if someone else thinks he is. And if they do, okay,
so be it. We have the choice to make. We
can match it, we can go with that number, or
we can get two first round draft picks and we
can go find his replacement is here. I think it's
a great strategy. I think it puts the Giants organization
in an awesome position where I thought, you know, a
few weeks ago, they were gonna be in the position
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where they have to tag either him or sae Quon
and and then have to work out a long term
deal otherwise one goes to free agency. It looks like
now sa Quan is gonna be up for free agency
and Daniel Jones is the one he's gonna be looking
at getting tagged, and not the not the franchise tag,
the exclusive one that he wants. I mean, he's got
no shot of getting forty five million, right like that,
like a shot. I mean shot. There's the chance that
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a team might think that he's turned the corner and
can be that guy for their team. No way, I
mean I don't. I don't disagree, because think about it,
you don't have to give anything up. You don't have
to give anything up to get Derek Carr or Jimmy Garoppolo.
I mean, yeah, I wouldn't give up to it. And
here's the thing is, wouldn't you rather give up two
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first round picks for Aaron round? I was about to say,
Now that's where I think that it's more irrelevant. I
might pay the money, but if I got to dish
out two first rounders. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry,
much much love, much respect to Daniel Jones, but I'm sorry,
I'm not giving up two first rounders. No, nobody's gonna
love him as much as the Giants love him. And
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the Giants might not. They loved him so much they
didn't pick up his fifth year, heard him they might
like him like that's why. Like that when the forty
five never was thrown out, was like, Okay, they might
respect the fun with that, but but I'm gonna take
them two first round traffics and then just move forward.
I do wonder, though, se Quon Barkley, what's his market
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look like, because he finally bounced back after he had
a couple of down years and obviously the injuries and
all that, and it feels like like they like him
and the Giants were on sort of the same page,
like it kind of a book ended because he had
that great rookie season. Then he got all the way
to this past year, and I wonder does he look
around and say, I've got better options elsewhere or does
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it behoove me to just stick with the Giants and
roll with this? Is there a way they can keep both,
or if they do decide to franchise tag Daniel Jones
and they put the exclusive tag on or the non exclusive,
se Quon going to be looking around and he's gonna
be kicking the tires on free agency. I'd like to
see him stay in New York. It's such a curious
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position right now because the value of it has gone
down so low, and I would have to say, look
no further than Dallas to say it probably isn't the
wisest move to go big on a running back. I
just don't know that it's feasible to or fiscally sound
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to make a super tremendously large investment in a running back.
I don't know. And that's say it because I would
love to see se Quon stay in New York and
get that contract. But I just don't know that the
market is there for backs to score big right now.
So what do you guys think? And then I could
be a little off on this, but what do you
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guys think the top running back makes as far as
their average annual salary? Twelve million? Okay, yeah, I was
probably gonna go more closer to twenty, like maybe like
eighteen or something to that effect seventeen eighteen. So McCaffrey
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is the top, and he in his previous contract that
he signed and now grant he was twenty three when
he signed it. He makes sixteen million per year average
annual salary. The next closest Alvin Kamara, and he was
twenty five when he signed his deal. And then you
have Joe Mixon and Dalvin Cook who each make about
twelve Dalvin Cook makes twelve and a half average annual salary.
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And so you're, by the way, both those guys. Mixon
signed at twenty four, Cook signed at twenty five. Seqwan
just turned twenty six. It's so he's now looking at
trying to sign this longer term deal. Like this is
that age where you look at the draft you say,
can we replace him and not have to spend any
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additional money and have a guy like Bijean Robinson who
who's out of Texas, who I kind of said to
you guys before and comparing sa Quon and Bijeon like
he could come in and do all the same things,
like very similar kills is nasty. And here's the thing
is a lot of people, you know when you saw right,
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we saw his kick returns. We saw the Ohio State game.
We saw all these big runs, these big plays. If
you actually go and do do like all the breakdown
and analysis, Bijean was better per rush. Bijean was better
per like all the different averages, per game averages, all that.
Bijean was more productive. But he kind of gets lost
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in Texas because they haven't been quite back Whereas Penn
State during sa Quan's time, was competing for Big Ten championships,
and Bijan at Texas it hasn't been in that case.
Outside of some big games, great performances, he hasn't got
as much attention. But you could easily just just you know,
draft him in the first round because I don't think
he's getting out of the first round, and you could
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have him at a much cheaper value as compared to
trying to sign sa Quon too. Let's say low end, right,
I named four running backs. No one's making less than
twelve million a year. I can't imagine you're gonna see
say Quon make any less than twelve million per year.
I remember, that's super That's not to step on you,
but that's a that's an elite running back. I mean
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we didn't feel that way about Aaron Jones when he
was coming out of college. No, you know, like there's
a running back out there that can suffice what you
need from that position, and it doesn't have to be
an elite caliber running back. And that's the problem that
you're going to run into if you're at the running
backs position, is that you can't. And for what it's work,
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I'll go back and now double down on it. I
think I think Zeke Elliott ruined it for everybody moving forward,
at least for the time being. He ruined it. You
name one great season, Name the seasons that led up
to that contract. Name one that's comparable, comparable after he
got the comp Derrick Henry, Like he still is productive.
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I mean that's past year. He's dealing with injuries. But
after signed Henry, But after he signed his deal, he
still had a great year. You can't compare Derrick Henry. Yeah,
he's seven us A four onemation. No, bro, I was
watching a film on Derrick Henry. He was, Dude, there's
he's put up yardage and put up numbers that no
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one will ever match. Like that's it's just different with
Derrick Henry. That's a different Yeah, that's a different comparison.
I mean I listened off b Jean Robinson. Jamir Gibbs
is the running back out of Alabama who transferred from
Georgian Tech. He could be a guy that goes in
the first round because of his skill set. Like all
these guys can run, can catch. They literally slide in
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two NFL offenses with the skill set necessary coming out
of college now, which is it's kind of crazy, right,
I mean, pass pro might be the only thing that
they have to improve upon. But some of these guys
are all all there. For the kid out of Texas
a and m Devon a Chin. He's not big, but
he is fast, I mean fast fast, like he might
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he might be a four two guy at the combine.
They said that he might even run sub ten was
it the hundred meter something like that. I mean, he's
got that background. But you could go here, you could
go deep into like ty Jay Spears, the kid out
of Tulane, Kendrey Miller, the kid out of TCU. Like
these are guys who aren't first round guys, but you
can come in and they've got like kind of that
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NFL style running or pedigree Kenny McIntosh out of Georgia, like,
he's not going to be taken in the first round.
You get these guys middle a rounds. They can come
in and be a great NFL running back for you.
So I just it's a touch of tough business to be.
And I was gonna ask you, Lavlaara, do you ever
talk to young kids to play running back and say, hey, man,
where do you come from? Play someone could play running back?
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I was like, all right, but you better learn how
to come off that edge, you know, And he was
like Dad, I was like, hey, tight end or linebacker,
My guy, that's it, tight end or linebacker. I tell
guys that all the time. But what's interesting is is
that when you again, you just have to be realistic.
I was just talking to him at Smith about this
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when when we talked out the Super Bowl is the
evolution or the devaluing, the losing of value that the
running back position has. And it's really because of, you know,
just the changing environment and conditions of the game and
the way the ball is moved, the prioritizing of how
(29:50):
how you call the plays and what you want to
get done. It used to always be run first, past
past second, it is no longer that anymore. Let me
let me ask Jonas this and Jones. Are you in fantasy?
You play a little right? Yeah? Of course? Come on, okay,
are you talking now? Didn't? Okay? Didn't running backs used
to be like the first pick. Yeah, that was always good.
(30:10):
Now all quarterbacks wide receivers. There's a couple of years
ago where Antonio Brown was to projected number one overall
pick because you were getting points based on reception, so
they would call PPR leagues and then running backs. Now,
if you're not catching the ball out of the backfield,
if you're just a straight running back, it's hard to
sell anybody. I'm wanting to take a guy that high
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in the draft. And and that's why I remember I
was talking to Bucky Brooks about this, and he was
telling me that there's some running backs where if you
can tell he can't catch the ball out of the backfield,
he has no chance. Yeah. It's just you know who
started the trend of that really going that direction was
Andy Reid. Andy Reid started using receivers in the backfield. Yeah,
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you know, if you think about it, Correll Buckholder, uh,
Brian west r Yeah, right, those those were guys. He
started to break the mold of what a running back
should how they should be viewed. You started viewing running
backs having to be more multidimensional in the things that
they did, more importantly being able to catch the ball.
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There's always a conversation can they catch the ball out
of the backfield. It was also there's looking for matchups, right, yeah, absolutely.
Look at they'd be looking at a var and they'd
be like, hey, we want your ass, yeahead, we want
you to cover him. Yeah, that'd be a bad match
talking for him. Were talking to talk to yo ass.
Turn around, we turned around. You got Christ McCaffrey or
something like that. The receiver, you gotta cover his ass. Yeah,
(31:41):
that's real. I'm gonna take that match up every time.
I'm gonna take it every time a receiver on a linebacker.
I'm gonna take that. Look at tight ends. They can't
cover tight ends anymore, you know, I mean, that's a
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We might have some good news in the world of
college football. Who's ready for some good news? Who? Ross
Stellinger of a sports rock rated not the Ross from Friends,
David Swimmer, Yeah, not Ross dress for less Rossdale, you're
from Sports Illustrated says that college football is considering a
handful of proposals to help with the length of games.
(33:08):
And here are the four that have been thrown out there.
All right, so number one prohibiting consecutive timeouts i e.
Icing kickers number two no longer extending a first or
third quarter for an untimed down. If the quarter ends
on a defensive penalty, the down would be clocked starting
the next quarter. I tuned out, all right, I'm sorry,
(33:30):
Can you start over? He started number one? Yeah, I
tuned out, all right, all right, so we'll start at
number one. Prohibiting consecutive timeouts like icing kickers. Number two
no longer extending a first or third quarter for an
untimed down. If the quarter ends on a defensive penalty,
the down would be clocked starting the next quarter. Number three,
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the clock will continue to run after an offense gains
a first down except side of two minutes and a half.
That one makes some sense. And then there's number four
that the clock will continue to run after an incomplete
pass once the ball is spotted for play. So even
after incomplete passes, they're throwing that one out to try
and speat up the game, trying to speed up the games. Well, okay,
(34:18):
so so the reason why these are being proposed is
because the TV networks would like to shorten the game. Yes,
thank god. And if you look at it, on average,
the games have increased in length, at least at the
Division one level because TV right, more timeouts, more money
is flooding into the sport. It's a growing sport still
(34:38):
and landscape. And by the way, that's a good thing.
I see some people out there who are like, you know,
they'll help these issues at D two or D three
from a D one TV commercials. Okay to the guy
who that's your response, here's mine. Well, in D two
and D three they don't have these immaculate stadiums and facilities.
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And also all the draft picks that we'll be seeing
coming up here shortly in the combine and this year's
draft going to the NFL either. So there's a reason
why TV networks and fans and viewership are clamoring to
Division one football in particularly the power of five schools
is because they've got a good product and TV networks
want to support them. So that's not a bad thing
(35:24):
that there's more commercials. You should be more concerned when
there's less commercial right, Okay, less funny. They don't have
that at D two. Yeah, they also can't afford mouthpieces,
so thank come on Marion helmets and certain copperses and equipment. Okay,
so the commercials and the TV money, it's a good thing,
all right. Just ask anyone who was on a TV
(35:45):
show that got canceled, Like when they start forgetting to
promo your show and they all of a sudden, yeah,
we can't get any advertisers want advertised for that sitcom.
Guess what it goes bye bye. Okay. So that's the
first thing. The next thing is the games are that
much longer than NFL games. They are longer, and they've
been starting to creep up and in that capacity, and
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there are a couple simple fixes. The first is stop
stopping the clock to reset the chains after a gained
first down. You don't need to stop the game clock.
The NFL doesn't do it. College football doesn't need to
do it. You can make that one tweak in and
of itself, and it would literally that it would probably
(36:31):
it would probably save five minutes, like that would be
enough for people to actually fuel that. And then the
next thing is getting rid of the rule to ice
the kickers. I mean it adds a little more strategy
I think to the coaching staffs and how they manage
their timeouts. I also think, you know, you put in
the ability to do that, not just the ice kickers,
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but let's say you come out, you get lined up,
the guys still don't know what the heck they're doing.
It is still considered an amateur sport, or at least
a college sport. At this point, you want to have
the ability, if you're a coach, to be okay, take
another time out, dude, what are we doing? Like, guys,
can we get lined up? Can we get in the
right play in formation? You want to have the ability
to do that. But you know, these guys have played
enough football where it doesn't happen that often, So I
(37:13):
think you can make those two changes. And by the way,
forget the inside two minutes. That's what I was just
gonna say that, Just do the whole game. Agree, That's
what I don't understand why two minutes is separated from
everywhere else. And I don't know if it's because they
want to add make their own night college football, of
their own thing, and they want to do it a
little bit different than the NFL does, But that's dumb.
So inside two minutes we goes back to the same
(37:34):
issues we've ad Come on, man, I will never by
the way, forget when Charlie Weiss first came to Notre
Dame as our head coach, rights, I'm one of my
junior year, and you know we would You know, all
of the new England coaches that left from there always
had there are great as far as preparing you situationally.
They always had packages to prepare you for third down,
(37:55):
a red zone in two minute, offensively, defensively, all of that,
like very very great teams of football exes and o's,
and I'll never forget. You'd always be like, hey, Quinn,
we got no timeouts. So what he goes, the clock
stops after a game, first down, you've got an eternity,
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He goes, I want you back there field like your
father and time and you're controlling all of humanity back there,
He goes, that's how much time you have in college
football on a two minute drive. She would mean he
would have some classic liners, but that was one where
and it's true. Like I remember, like we came back
my senior year to beat U Sale. We had under
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under a minute, right, no timeouts, and I remember thinking
in that moment, like we're just gonna get a first outs,
like we just have to get chunks and that's all
we had to do, and we ver scoring I think
a touchdown with like twenty seconds left. But I remember
thinking of that moment. I was calm. I was like,
there's no like, we've got all day if we want. Now,
we're not to that dire circumstance. But at some point,
you know, you get too, but not in there. I
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just these two rule changes would be so easy to
implement and helping out the TV networks, and it wouldn't
really change the game because we're used to it. We
see it in the NFL. It's real. It's exactly what
we got in the NFL. And there's a little bit
the rules are more uniformed, which I think you know,
they could probably do in some other areas as well too.
But there's no reason not to make college the NFL,
(39:22):
no reason not to at this point, just go ahead
and start adapting all of the structures that are winning
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Sports Radio. So I guess Aaron Rodgers is coming out
of his darkness at some point. Wasn't wasn't it yesterday?
Was it yesterday? I don't know. I thought it was
it was it? Was it five days or forty? Man,
(00:23):
you guys aren't in the inner circle. You don't know.
That's fair, That is very That's why I just asked.
But Bob McGinn coming out. Bob McGinn, who covers the Packers. Uh,
he was talking on the Golong podcast over the weekend
and through some speculation and some conversations that he's add
(00:44):
with some people possibly in the know about where the
Packers stand on this whole thing over it take a
listen based on discussion with someone who just firsthand knowledge
of this organizations of the Packers internal debates that they
are done with Rogers, that that's the way it is
right now, that he's not coming back. I mean, they're
(01:06):
disgusted with him, and they're done with them, and they're
moving on. And this is going to involve money and
a trade partner and all kinds of things, But I'm
totally convinced he will not be their starting quarterback this year.
On the other hand, they love Jordan Love They think
he is the second coming. Now. They have seen enough
(01:27):
in practice for three years that they believe he is
like Rogers two point zero. That's where this organization is
coming from right now. So that was Bob again on
Most Likable Dude. I'll tell you that, Geez, Bob, he
sounded a tad bit abrasive, didn't he like like he
had beef with Aaron Rodgers biting facts? I mean, he
(01:49):
did cover the Packers for thirty eight years and retired
like six years ago. That's long time, long time Green
Bay Presquez at Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. U is how surprising
is this though, because it feels like maybe even Aaron
Rodgers pull back the layers. We pull back the layers.
(02:10):
Let me ask you guys some questions about this. So
you've got a guy in Bob mcgintny's well respected in
the let's put it this way, in this state of Wisconsin.
Well respected. Not saying he's not outside national circles for
covering the Packers, but he's probably not that well known
nationally but extremely well respected in the state of Wisconsin.
(02:32):
He's retired, though, and so why now, why is why
is his you know, his commentary and all this coming
to version now? It feels like it's one of those
jobs where the packers are are trying to push this
narrative out there because otherwise, like, what's the point. Why
don't have someone who's actually working day to day in
that business that you have a relationship with, maybe because
(02:55):
you want to, you know, work with someone who's retired,
extremely well respected in the industry. So it makes some
sense from that standpoint. I don't think Bob McGinn is
part of obviously Rogers inner circle because he's not talking
even from Rogers standpoint. Everything's everything's from the packers standpoint,
and so I just think the who is saying this
(03:15):
and the when considering he's not even you know, they're
working that beat day to day is interesting and it
feels very much planted by the packers, where if there's
not already enough of a fracture there between Rogers and packers,
they're trying to create one. And honestly, like I think
this has probably been two years in the making, because
(03:36):
you can't like some of the comments that I think
came out and my Jonas, I think in your notes
you had put disgusted was one of the worst. Yeah,
that's a strong And here's the problem is, you can't
say disgusted for what reason? Right, You already went through
the season where he was immunized and not vaccinated. You've
already went through the Ashwa Tonger, whatever the hell he's
(03:58):
he's doing. These been doing that for years now, and
some of those seasons ended up being MVP seasons. So
now you're disgusted, Like it feels like they've been sitting
on this play or this this game plan to remove
themselves from Aaron Rodgers for a couple of years. They
just were trying to time it out when he had
(04:20):
a lesser season, and this season obviously wasn't his best,
it wasn't their team's best, and they feel like this
is the time now to start this play. If that
makes sense. Yeah, I definitely agree with that does make sense,
And I also believe that this was the perfect time.
Like you got to keep in mind, I've I've gone
to some pretty traditional schools, one being Penn State, and
(04:44):
you just there was never really a time where you
were able to say you're fired or were relieving you
of your duty and you will no longer be the
coach of this team anymore. You just didn't have enough
acting in support to be able to do it. If
there were ever a moment in time to be able
(05:06):
to say you know what, we're discussed it, or and
not you say it, but you it gets leaked out
that this is how people are feeling. The first of all,
they were already disgusted because he aired them out last year,
like they were already discussed it, and they're already sitting
there like I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, can't do nothing
(05:28):
about it. He holds all the cards you have your
your first season where you could look at Aaron Rodgers
and be like dang, like this was not an Aaron
Rodger esque type of season. And there are certain moments
in time when he's doing his podcast where you could
(05:48):
sit there and you could kind of pinpoint and say
is his focus really where it needs to be? So
these people that are leaking this out, the brass who
maybe allowed this to take place and are using this
as as as a mechanism to to separate Aaron Rodgers
from the Green Bay Packers. They were waiting for this moment.
(06:10):
They were waiting for the moment where they could sit
there and say we're done with Aaron Rodgers and actually
leak it out. That's why I think that it's the retired,
the retired gentleman that has all the credibility, because you
want it to be credible. You just don't want it
to be from someone that is like an Adam Schefter
or or you know who's the other guy at that
(06:31):
Aaron Rodgers or Ian rap report. You don't want it
to come from them because you don't want it to
be denied. You don't want your fan base to be like, Okay,
this is not true. Aaron's coming back now. You want
them to believe that Aaron is added there. But the one,
the one, this could be a critical mistake and and
(06:51):
all of that. Jordan Love is not Aaron Rodgers two
point zero. And I think we can all agree on that.
So to add that as an insult to injury like
Jordan Love can end up being a very very fine pro,
no doubt about it. He has the potential to They
drafted him high. He could have a fine career, but
(07:12):
there's nothing about what we've seen from Jordan Love that
would give you the idea, which we haven't seen a
lot of. But I feel like we've seen enough to
know that if Aaron Rodgers couldn't navigate this season with
the personnel that he had to have a better season
the way he was able to have, why would you
think that put in Jordan Love out there now with
(07:35):
what would be perceivably a lack of what talent on
the outsides? I mean, you got one and Watson he
developed nicely as the season went on, you got a
good backfield, you got Aaron Jones resigned. But what makes
you think that put in Jordan Love into this scenario
in particular is going to be a productive campaign for Love.
(08:00):
If he can do it, it's great, But I thought
that that was an ill advised move to put that
target on Jordan loves back. Right now, how many guys
have been four time NFL and VPS, what one two
outside of Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, Peyton Manning and then is
Brady Brady's got it as many times as that? Yeah,
(08:21):
I don't know. We listened. We couldn't even get confirmed
answers on this last time. We had the conversation because
damn Google and Pro Football. I thought he was on
the phone with Mac McClung trying to um, you know,
get him over to his team. Yeah that's true. Now
please looking at badly. You made your choice. Sorry, buddy,
we got Mac McClung. Now you got it. You got it, Lee,
I believe Tom Brady only has three and yeah, Peyton
(08:42):
Manning and and Aaron Rodgers with four. There you go.
I saw it in his face. I mean, so you say,
Jordan loves it's gonna be Aaron Rodgers Peyton Manning base. Yeah,
you said two point zero. So to me, there you go.
I mean when you say somebody two point zero, you're
basically saying this dude is b baller, Like we're good, Like,
get him out of here. You won't even miss. I
(09:03):
just I don't know why you want to do that
as an or. You know, if you're playing this card,
it's it's wrong for the player. If it is about
the Packers, for example, that's what even building up their expectations,
because I think that's part of this is you've got
to create this riff, this divide that turns the Packer
fan base on Aaron Rodgers. So that then Jordan Love
(09:27):
can be better received, right because he's been behind the
scenes working his tailf trying to get ready, and the
Packers can create more of um, not only interests, but
I think excitement about you know, the transition to Jordan Love,
right and yeah, and so because there's gonna be fans
who love loved Aaron Rodgers. But because of this riff
now the Packers are trying to turn it where like, well,
(09:49):
you know, I might not be a fan of Jordan
Love yet, but you also don't want to like Jordan Rodgers,
so Aaron Rodgers. So that's why you want to root
for Jordan Love, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's
not even about necessarily rooting for Jordan Love. It's just
about hating Aaron Rodgers. And it feels like the Packers
are trying to do that, And doesn't it also seem
like they're trying to piss off Rogers to ensure that
he does want to come back, and they'll just trade
(10:10):
him and try and get something in return, as opposed
to him just walking away altogether, and they get nothing,
like if he just retires. They already know though they
already know what the scenario that they're facing duds filed
down a little toothbrush, stick him in the side and say,
come on, what are you gonna do about it? Right
somewhere else right in and then they get some trade
compensation back for him. Maybe they were hoping that he
wouldn't hear what was being said about him because he
(10:32):
was isolated. Yeah, it's very very probable Peyton Manning has
five MVP, or maybe they're testing it out. You know,
maybe this actually somehow is a conspiracy theory where Bob
again is a part of that group outside the inner circle,
and Rogers inner circles like testing it. You know, they're
floating out all these different Rodgers okay, trying to sniff
(10:53):
out him, and they're trying to find the rat they're
going to hold you. But that could be some of
the most brillion s that I've heard of in terms
of strategically making things happen, because to sit there and
you be the reason why. First of all, it sounds
like there's animosity towards Aaron Rodgers in the way that
that buddy sounded talking on it. So if he's speaking
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on behalf of somebody who leaked it from Rogers' side,
then that's fire because now you're forcing you're forcing the
hand of Green Bay to do something with Aaron Rodgers.
You're trying to replace what the hope is and the
feeling and excitement is for your fan base with Jordan Love.
(11:37):
At the same time, you're trying to let everybody know
out there that we want to trade him. And if
that's Aaron Rodgers doing that, that's that's I mean, that's wow.
And then now you get to leave without people having
hard feelings towards you with Aaron Rodgers, and for what
it's worth, you probably will have hard feelings towards towards
green Bay can because of the way, Oh we're done.
(11:58):
We're disgusted with who wants to get the fan base support?
I mean Aaron Rodgers or the Packers. Yeah, it's all
a play. Wow. Yeah, I mean Aaron he did tell
them that, you know, they don't come here for the
cheese or anything else, they come here for a rod
He was put he put his flag down in the ground. Yeah,
so now you are putting you I mean, it's just man,
(12:20):
that's like trying to become king after soccer Zulu Man like,
who's gonna who's gonna like precede him? Man, It's like,
come on, man, y'all don't even know who soccer Zulu? Now,
that's all right, good point though, Look it up though.
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(12:41):
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. So,
the Daniel Jones situation with the New York Giants as
I don't know if it's taken a turn, but there's
been a couple of developments here that, according to ESPN,
Dandil Jones is switching agents from CIA to athletes first,
whatever the hell that means, and he's getting ready to
(13:03):
negotiate a new deal with the Giants. Uh, and that
this is you know, on the eve of that is
they're in having conversations about it, and that Pro Football
Talk also reported that Jones when when throwing the initial
offer by the Giants, he was actually aiming towards something
around forty five million dollars a year, which apparently the
(13:24):
Giants are not too fond of, which brings up the
potential franchise tag. But that is where we stand with
the Daniel Jones Saga and the New York Giants this
offseason as they declined his fifth year option and they
are looking to get a deal done somewhere or another.
So so first off, var did you ever switch agents? No,
and I didn't even like my agent at the end
(13:45):
I switch, So that's I won't go that far. I
love Tom Connon. Tom was my guy, and that's almost
with Tom Condon. Yeah. I liked Tom, love to love
him like Joel Siege. Okay, would you end up going
with the postings? Okay, yeah, exactly, boll No, My whole
(14:07):
thing is that was the athlete's first back then. Okay, yeah,
so if you did what I'm saying, yeah, okay. So
Tom was with with CIA and athletes first at the
time when I was coming on the draft, had an
agent named Dave Dunne. Dave dunn was suspended for that
year from being able to negotiate contracts. Now, at that
(14:30):
point in time, that was a bigger deal because it
was my rookie deal and the advice that a lot
of agents give prospective or prospects coming into to the
NFL is you know, you don't know that you're going
to get a second deal, and so you better make
sure the person that you do that first deal with
the subone you feel comfortable with. And in that in
that instance, athletes first was somewhat eliminated from the conversation
(14:54):
for me, just because the guy who ultimately I wanted
to be doing the negotiating doing the deal wasn't going
to be able to do it. And so Tom Conna
and Cia ended up being who I decided to go with,
felt comfortable with, and they did a great job as
far as structurally how they created the contract. But the
problem and the problem is back then there are so
many things to negotiate, so many things, so it was
(15:17):
different than now, whereas in today's NFL, when you're drafted
as a rookie, you might say, well, if he's suspended
for a year, that's fine, because the rookie deal really
isn't that hard to negotiate. There's two things. It's signing
bonus and the timing of that signing bonus when you
get those moneys, and then it's offsets, meaning if I
end up getting traded somewhere else, you know, who's on
the hook for it? You know, cut all stuff. Who's
(15:38):
on the hook for how much? You know? That's essentially
what is what are the two things they're negotiating now.
So in this case, we're not talking about a rookie,
but we're talking about a guy who's at the end
of his rookie deal and he's choosing to change ages.
And it's kind of interesting only because these going from
CIA to athletes first, these are the two I would say,
of what the biggest LaVar Yeah, football relevant right now. Yeah,
(16:01):
they got the biggest names, and so it's almost like
you're kind of jumping ship to their competitor. And this
is kind of like a this is a big slap
in the face, like that change of agency on the
cusp of what could be whether it's and we can
talk about the franchise tag and then the difference between
the exclusive non exclusive, but this is a big deal,
Like it's a bigger deal than most realized, just because
(16:23):
of the initial hit that that agency is gonna get
or in the case of Sea, they're not gonna get
from this particular deal. I just I think when you
first of all, if you if you if you look
at the dynamics of both agencies. Is kind of interesting
that Daniel Jones will go to athletes first. I mean,
(16:43):
we've started off every hour the same way so far,
that we'll keep the theme the same an hour two. Um,
I find that to be interesting. Um, he might be
the first first what quarterback of that dark hair? Yep, yep,
that right there? Okay, um, and like what else just
(17:08):
his hair? Well, let's just say he don't look like
Jalen Ramsey. So are you saying, in fact he does?
He is he Mac mcclunging. I mean, I'm saying he
don't athletes first, you know, he doesn't look like the
Seaun Watson who those are both UH athletes and players.
For athletes first, they've had some some some quarterbacks in
(17:33):
the past. I don't recall seeing them. That's that's why
I said I don't I don't check them that. I
don't check them that close. I just I just see
here and there, the you know, stuff that pops up
with guys that I know that are with um, you know,
like Michael Parsons is, you know, Dafeo Way is with them. Um.
So you know, I just I just see maybe their posts,
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you know, I don't. I don't do deep dives on them.
They've had other mac mcclungs. What you're saying, I don't know.
It sounds like Q said they do, so I'm gonna work. Yeah,
for sure. Having the past, I'll take his word for
big morning brass Brady. I mean it's a little shady
these days though. I mean there's a whole lot of
trees covering the sun. So let me let me get
down to like the difference and where they're at as
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far as what Daniel Jones reportedly in his camp thinks
he's worth. So they're saying, hey, we're worth forty five
million a year. Now. He's saying this because he played
well enough this season to warrant consideration for what's called
the franchise tag. But you have to understand there's two
different versions of it. There's the exclusive franchise tag, which
would give him that forty five million approximately. That's the
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value that is set every year. It's the average of
the top five quarterbacks of their salaries and what that
equates to, right or one hundred and twenty percent of
your previous year's salary, depending on what that number was.
In this case, the top five average would be what
Daniel Jones is aiming for, because it's more the problem
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is the Giants are looking at him going, yeah, but
we don't feel like you're worth forty five million a year.
And so here's what we're going to do. We're gonna
put the non exclusive franchise tag on you, and franchise
tag number is thirty two point four million. And here's
what this does. So you can play for thirty two
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point four million fully guaranteed this year because we've tagged you,
but we're gonna allow every other NFL team to potentially
come in and negotiate a long term contract with you.
And then and then here's what happens. We have We
have a decision to make. We can either choose to
match that well, we can say nope, we're gonna let
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you go with that team, and guess what that team
gives up instead two first round draft picks. So I
love this move for the New York Very strategic. It's
incredibly strategic. It's probably what you're going to see a
lot teams do who have guys who are drafted in
the first round that don't get their fifth year option
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picked up. If Daniel Jones would have played under this
fifth year option one, the Giants would have been a
position right now where he's playing under contract fully guaranteed,
but it would have been like twenty two twenty four millions,
something like that someone in the ballpark. So yes, they
spend a little more in this case if he plays
for them for a year at thirty two point four.
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But they also have the potential of a couple of things.
One determining like, hey, we see this guy's thirty two
point four million. We don't see him, you know, him
being a longer term contract guy, at least not right now.
We probably want to see him do it a second
year in a row before we agree to that. But
they can let the market market dictate that, and there's
power in that because they're probably thinking of themselves. Look,
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if we think he's not worth that, then let's see
if someone else thinks he is. And if they do, okay,
so be it. We have the choice to make. We
can match it, we can go with that number, or
we can get two first round draft picks and we
can go find his replacement is here. I think it's
a great strategy. I think it puts the Giants organization
in an awesome position where I thought, you know, a
few weeks ago, they were gonna be in the position
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where they have to tag either him or sae Quon
and and then have to work out a long term
deal otherwise one goes to free agency. It looks like
now sa Quan is gonna be up for free agency
and Daniel Jones is the one he's gonna be looking
at getting tagged, and not the not the franchise tag,
the exclusive one that he wants. I mean, he's got
no shot of getting forty five million, right like that,
like a shot. I mean shot. There's the chance that
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a team might think that he's turned the corner and
can be that guy for their team. No way, I
mean I don't. I don't disagree, because think about it,
you don't have to give anything up. You don't have
to give anything up to get Derek Carr or Jimmy Garoppolo.
I mean, yeah, I wouldn't give up to it. And
here's the thing is, wouldn't you rather give up two
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first round picks for Aaron round? I was about to say,
Now that's where I think that it's more irrelevant. I
might pay the money, but if I got to dish
out two first rounders. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry,
much much love, much respect to Daniel Jones, but I'm sorry,
I'm not giving up two first rounders. No, nobody's gonna
love him as much as the Giants love him. And
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the Giants might not. They loved him so much they
didn't pick up his fifth year, heard him they might
like him like that's why. Like that when the forty
five never was thrown out, was like, Okay, they might
respect the fun with that, but but I'm gonna take
them two first round traffics and then just move forward.
I do wonder, though, se Quon Barkley, what's his market
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look like, because he finally bounced back after he had
a couple of down years and obviously the injuries and
all that, and it feels like like they like him
and the Giants were on sort of the same page,
like it kind of a book ended because he had
that great rookie season. Then he got all the way
to this past year, and I wonder does he look
around and say, I've got better options elsewhere or does
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it behoove me to just stick with the Giants and
roll with this? Is there a way they can keep both,
or if they do decide to franchise tag Daniel Jones
and they put the exclusive tag on or the non exclusive,
se Quon going to be looking around and he's gonna
be kicking the tires on free agency. I'd like to
see him stay in New York. It's such a curious
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position right now because the value of it has gone
down so low, and I would have to say, look
no further than Dallas to say it probably isn't the
wisest move to go big on a running back. I
just don't know that it's feasible to or fiscally sound
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to make a super tremendously large investment in a running back.
I don't know. And that's say it because I would
love to see se Quon stay in New York and
get that contract. But I just don't know that the
market is there for backs to score big right now.
So what do you guys think? And then I could
be a little off on this, but what do you
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guys think the top running back makes as far as
their average annual salary? Twelve million? Okay, yeah, I was
probably gonna go more closer to twenty, like maybe like
eighteen or something to that effect seventeen eighteen. So McCaffrey
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is the top, and he in his previous contract that
he signed and now grant he was twenty three when
he signed it. He makes sixteen million per year average
annual salary. The next closest Alvin Kamara, and he was
twenty five when he signed his deal. And then you
have Joe Mixon and Dalvin Cook who each make about
twelve Dalvin Cook makes twelve and a half average annual salary.
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And so you're, by the way, both those guys. Mixon
signed at twenty four, Cook signed at twenty five. Seqwan
just turned twenty six. It's so he's now looking at
trying to sign this longer term deal. Like this is
that age where you look at the draft you say,
can we replace him and not have to spend any
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additional money and have a guy like Bijean Robinson who
who's out of Texas, who I kind of said to
you guys before and comparing sa Quon and Bijeon like
he could come in and do all the same things,
like very similar kills is nasty. And here's the thing
is a lot of people, you know when you saw right,
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we saw his kick returns. We saw the Ohio State game.
We saw all these big runs, these big plays. If
you actually go and do do like all the breakdown
and analysis, Bijean was better per rush. Bijean was better
per like all the different averages, per game averages, all that.
Bijean was more productive. But he kind of gets lost
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in Texas because they haven't been quite back Whereas Penn
State during sa Quan's time, was competing for Big Ten championships,
and Bijan at Texas it hasn't been in that case.
Outside of some big games, great performances, he hasn't got
as much attention. But you could easily just just you know,
draft him in the first round because I don't think
he's getting out of the first round, and you could
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have him at a much cheaper value as compared to
trying to sign sa Quon too. Let's say low end, right,
I named four running backs. No one's making less than
twelve million a year. I can't imagine you're gonna see
say Quon make any less than twelve million per year.
I remember, that's super That's not to step on you,
but that's a that's an elite running back. I mean
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we didn't feel that way about Aaron Jones when he
was coming out of college. No, you know, like there's
a running back out there that can suffice what you
need from that position, and it doesn't have to be
an elite caliber running back. And that's the problem that
you're going to run into if you're at the running
backs position, is that you can't. And for what it's work,
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I'll go back and now double down on it. I
think I think Zeke Elliott ruined it for everybody moving forward,
at least for the time being. He ruined it. You
name one great season, Name the seasons that led up
to that contract. Name one that's comparable, comparable after he
got the comp Derrick Henry, Like he still is productive.
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I mean that's past year. He's dealing with injuries. But
after signed Henry, But after he signed his deal, he
still had a great year. You can't compare Derrick Henry. Yeah,
he's seven us A four onemation. No, bro, I was
watching a film on Derrick Henry. He was, Dude, there's
he's put up yardage and put up numbers that no
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one will ever match. Like that's it's just different with
Derrick Henry. That's a different Yeah, that's a different comparison.
I mean I listened off b Jean Robinson. Jamir Gibbs
is the running back out of Alabama who transferred from
Georgian Tech. He could be a guy that goes in
the first round because of his skill set. Like all
these guys can run, can catch. They literally slide in
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two NFL offenses with the skill set necessary coming out
of college now, which is it's kind of crazy, right,
I mean, pass pro might be the only thing that
they have to improve upon. But some of these guys
are all all there. For the kid out of Texas
a and m Devon a Chin. He's not big, but
he is fast, I mean fast fast, like he might
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he might be a four two guy at the combine.
They said that he might even run sub ten was
it the hundred meter something like that. I mean, he's
got that background. But you could go here, you could
go deep into like ty Jay Spears, the kid out
of Tulane, Kendrey Miller, the kid out of TCU. Like
these are guys who aren't first round guys, but you
can come in and they've got like kind of that
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NFL style running or pedigree Kenny McIntosh out of Georgia, like,
he's not going to be taken in the first round.
You get these guys middle a rounds. They can come
in and be a great NFL running back for you.
So I just it's a touch of tough business to be.
And I was gonna ask you, Lavlaara, do you ever
talk to young kids to play running back and say, hey, man,
where do you come from? Play someone could play running back?
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I was like, all right, but you better learn how
to come off that edge, you know, And he was
like Dad, I was like, hey, tight end or linebacker,
My guy, that's it, tight end or linebacker. I tell
guys that all the time. But what's interesting is is
that when you again, you just have to be realistic.
I was just talking to him at Smith about this
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when when we talked out the Super Bowl is the
evolution or the devaluing, the losing of value that the
running back position has. And it's really because of, you know,
just the changing environment and conditions of the game and
the way the ball is moved, the prioritizing of how
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how you call the plays and what you want to
get done. It used to always be run first, past
past second, it is no longer that anymore. Let me
let me ask Jonas this and Jones. Are you in fantasy?
You play a little right? Yeah? Of course? Come on, okay,
are you talking now? Didn't? Okay? Didn't running backs used
to be like the first pick. Yeah, that was always good.
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Now all quarterbacks wide receivers. There's a couple of years
ago where Antonio Brown was to projected number one overall
pick because you were getting points based on reception, so
they would call PPR leagues and then running backs. Now,
if you're not catching the ball out of the backfield,
if you're just a straight running back, it's hard to
sell anybody. I'm wanting to take a guy that high
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in the draft. And and that's why I remember I
was talking to Bucky Brooks about this, and he was
telling me that there's some running backs where if you
can tell he can't catch the ball out of the backfield,
he has no chance. Yeah. It's just you know who
started the trend of that really going that direction was
Andy Reid. Andy Reid started using receivers in the backfield. Yeah,
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you know, if you think about it, Correll Buckholder, uh,
Brian west r Yeah, right, those those were guys. He
started to break the mold of what a running back
should how they should be viewed. You started viewing running
backs having to be more multidimensional in the things that
they did, more importantly being able to catch the ball.
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There's always a conversation can they catch the ball out
of the backfield. It was also there's looking for matchups, right, yeah, absolutely.
Look at they'd be looking at a var and they'd
be like, hey, we want your ass, yeahead, we want
you to cover him. Yeah, that'd be a bad match
talking for him. Were talking to talk to yo ass.
Turn around, we turned around. You got Christ McCaffrey or
something like that. The receiver, you gotta cover his ass. Yeah,
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that's real. I'm gonna take that match up every time.
I'm gonna take it every time a receiver on a linebacker.
I'm gonna take that. Look at tight ends. They can't
cover tight ends anymore, you know, I mean, that's a
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We might have some good news in the world of
college football. Who's ready for some good news? Who? Ross
Stellinger of a sports rock rated not the Ross from Friends,
David Swimmer, Yeah, not Ross dress for less Rossdale, you're
from Sports Illustrated says that college football is considering a
handful of proposals to help with the length of games.
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And here are the four that have been thrown out there.
All right, so number one prohibiting consecutive timeouts i e.
Icing kickers number two no longer extending a first or
third quarter for an untimed down. If the quarter ends
on a defensive penalty, the down would be clocked starting
the next quarter. I tuned out, all right, I'm sorry,
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Can you start over? He started number one? Yeah, I
tuned out, all right, all right, so we'll start at
number one. Prohibiting consecutive timeouts like icing kickers. Number two
no longer extending a first or third quarter for an
untimed down. If the quarter ends on a defensive penalty,
the down would be clocked starting the next quarter. Number three,
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the clock will continue to run after an offense gains
a first down except side of two minutes and a half.
That one makes some sense. And then there's number four
that the clock will continue to run after an incomplete
pass once the ball is spotted for play. So even
after incomplete passes, they're throwing that one out to try
and speat up the game, trying to speed up the games. Well, okay,
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so so the reason why these are being proposed is
because the TV networks would like to shorten the game. Yes,
thank god. And if you look at it, on average,
the games have increased in length, at least at the
Division one level because TV right, more timeouts, more money
is flooding into the sport. It's a growing sport still
(34:38):
and landscape. And by the way, that's a good thing.
I see some people out there who are like, you know,
they'll help these issues at D two or D three
from a D one TV commercials. Okay to the guy
who that's your response, here's mine. Well, in D two
and D three they don't have these immaculate stadiums and facilities.
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And also all the draft picks that we'll be seeing
coming up here shortly in the combine and this year's
draft going to the NFL either. So there's a reason
why TV networks and fans and viewership are clamoring to
Division one football in particularly the power of five schools
is because they've got a good product and TV networks
want to support them. So that's not a bad thing
(35:24):
that there's more commercials. You should be more concerned when
there's less commercial right, Okay, less funny. They don't have
that at D two. Yeah, they also can't afford mouthpieces,
so thank come on Marion helmets and certain copperses and equipment. Okay,
so the commercials and the TV money, it's a good thing,
all right. Just ask anyone who was on a TV
(35:45):
show that got canceled, Like when they start forgetting to
promo your show and they all of a sudden, yeah,
we can't get any advertisers want advertised for that sitcom.
Guess what it goes bye bye. Okay. So that's the
first thing. The next thing is the games are that
much longer than NFL games. They are longer, and they've
been starting to creep up and in that capacity, and
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there are a couple simple fixes. The first is stop
stopping the clock to reset the chains after a gained
first down. You don't need to stop the game clock.
The NFL doesn't do it. College football doesn't need to
do it. You can make that one tweak in and
of itself, and it would literally that it would probably
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it would probably save five minutes, like that would be
enough for people to actually fuel that. And then the
next thing is getting rid of the rule to ice
the kickers. I mean it adds a little more strategy
I think to the coaching staffs and how they manage
their timeouts. I also think, you know, you put in
the ability to do that, not just the ice kickers,
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but let's say you come out, you get lined up,
the guys still don't know what the heck they're doing.
It is still considered an amateur sport, or at least
a college sport. At this point, you want to have
the ability, if you're a coach, to be okay, take
another time out, dude, what are we doing? Like, guys,
can we get lined up? Can we get in the
right play in formation? You want to have the ability
to do that. But you know, these guys have played
enough football where it doesn't happen that often, So I
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think you can make those two changes. And by the way,
forget the inside two minutes. That's what I was just
gonna say that, Just do the whole game. Agree, That's
what I don't understand why two minutes is separated from
everywhere else. And I don't know if it's because they
want to add make their own night college football, of
their own thing, and they want to do it a
little bit different than the NFL does, But that's dumb.
So inside two minutes we goes back to the same
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issues we've ad Come on, man, I will never by
the way, forget when Charlie Weiss first came to Notre
Dame as our head coach, rights, I'm one of my
junior year, and you know we would You know, all
of the new England coaches that left from there always
had there are great as far as preparing you situationally.
They always had packages to prepare you for third down,
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a red zone in two minute, offensively, defensively, all of that,
like very very great teams of football exes and o's,
and I'll never forget. You'd always be like, hey, Quinn,
we got no timeouts. So what he goes, the clock
stops after a game, first down, you've got an eternity,
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He goes, I want you back there field like your
father and time and you're controlling all of humanity back there,
He goes, that's how much time you have in college
football on a two minute drive. She would mean he
would have some classic liners, but that was one where
and it's true. Like I remember, like we came back
my senior year to beat U Sale. We had under
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under a minute, right, no timeouts, and I remember thinking
in that moment, like we're just gonna get a first outs,
like we just have to get chunks and that's all
we had to do, and we ver scoring I think
a touchdown with like twenty seconds left. But I remember
thinking of that moment. I was calm. I was like,
there's no like, we've got all day if we want. Now,
we're not to that dire circumstance. But at some point,
you know, you get too, but not in there. I
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just these two rule changes would be so easy to
implement and helping out the TV networks, and it wouldn't
really change the game because we're used to it. We
see it in the NFL. It's real. It's exactly what
we got in the NFL. And there's a little bit
the rules are more uniformed, which I think you know,
they could probably do in some other areas as well too.
But there's no reason not to make college the NFL,
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no reason not to at this point, just go ahead
and start adapting all of the structures that are winning
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