February 28, 2023 • 44 mins
On today's Best of 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Commanders release Carson Wentz, so what’s next for the veteran QB and Washington? The NFL is looking into penalizing “slams” and “slings on the quarterback. Derek Carr is in Indy for Combine week, meeting with teams because this is when deals get done, and the Cowboys debate who to franchise tag between Tony Pollard and Dalton Schultz.
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It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with LaVar, Rady Winn and Jonas Knocks on Fox Radio.
All right, so Carson Wentz, the era of the Wentz
and Washington commando's run is over. He has been released
by the football team. And it just feels like we
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kind of saw this happening. It was headed in this direction.
But it's pretty wild to think that this guy was
the MVP of the league and then since that time,
after eleven games or whatever it was, heading into week fourteen,
whatever it was. It was a December game against the Rams.
Since that time, he's gotten injured. The Eagles won a
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Super Bowl, They've gone to another one, both with guys
that spend time backing up him in Philadelphia. He goes
to Indianapolis. That was a disaster. He was the fall guy,
according to jimmers say, and then ultimately it was Frank
and then he goes to Washington, suffers an injury. Tyler
Heineke comes in. Next thing you know, Carson Wentz is
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battling trying to get playing time, ended off the season
poorly again and now he's out of work. It is
a crazy turn of events to consider where he was,
and all the promise that he showed. And meanwhile, the
guy that was taken ahead of him, who everybody said,
Carson Wentz is going to pan out better Jared Goff's career,
I would I would argue he's playing at an all
time level and Carson Wentz is now looking for work.
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What the hell happened? You? Oh, I'm supposed to kick
off on that? Yeah, what happened? I think it's a
number of things. I mean, one, I don't think that
Carson Wentz lacks talent, and that's that's the first thing.
You know. He got drafted where he got drafted for
a reason, and because I think people saw talent in him,
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and at times he displayed that in his career, especially
early on when he had the momentum. He had had
confidence and he had an organization that believed in him.
And the worst thing that could happen to him, and
really within that organization is is he lost confidence in himself.
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Whether that comes via an injury or not, or maybe
it was just more mental and someone else came in
and basically took over the team he was running, took
him to a super Bowl and won it, and so
everything he had done up to that point where he
probably felt like he was the biggest reason as the
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quarterback of a team that they were having success was
all diminished because you had a guy come in behind
you who's not viewed as talented and not viewed as
good as you come in and be able to take
this team to the pinnacle. That I think really set
him back mentally, probably as far as you know what
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he's capable of him as a player, what he's capable
of as a quarterback, questioning I think a lot of
people in the locker room even question just you know,
his ability to be that guy, or could anyone lead
that team? Could Nick Foles come in and lead that team?
And so I think those early struggles really plagued him,
honestly throughout the rest of his career. And it's hard
if you think about it from human nature, who the
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hell is going to get over that? Like, if he
stays healthy through that season, he's not only the MVP.
They probably still go on to win the Super Bowl,
you'd think me at least that's the trajectory that they
were on. And you think if Nick Foles could, Carson
Wentz could at least that season, the way he's playing
his entire career looks different. And so then after that
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point there's obviously some I don't know if it's frustration
or disgruntlement between Wentzon the organization and Wentz and Foles
and all that. So they move on from Foles, but
they Joe draft a guy who to come in and
basically potentially replace Wentz in Jalen Hurts, and so then
that deteriorates. So then Wentz looks for a new opportunity
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and he goes to a team the Colts, where I mean,
say what you want. He obviously performed better than Matt
Ryan did. Now, he didn't down the stretch when they
needed him to the most. But it's also a tough
call for any quarterback who's going into a system in
their first year, trying to get down the chemistry and
a new environment, all these things around you, the opponents
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you're playing. Now, you go from an NFC team to
an AFC team, you know, all that stuff is a
learning experience in your first year. He didn't play awful.
He didn't He wasn't the best quarterback in the league,
but he played some decent football. But the bottom line
is or they wanted to blame him, whether it's the
vaccine and all that had something to do with them,
and then he goes to Washington. Now Washington's trying to
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make him the savior, new team, new offense, another year.
I mean, it's just that's where things start to spiral
out and you end up not having any success when
you don't any stability. I mean, if you ask a
defensive player who jumped from three teams in three years,
how would you say he's going to play? Probably not well.
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I mean I think you could probably use that analogy
for any organization or any corporation you work for. You
you jump to three different places in three years, you're
probably gonna have a hard time really settling in and
performing at your best until you get some more time.
They're run the people you're working with. Yeah, I mean,
I think that's that about due, does it. I Mean,
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that's it's pretty pretty cut and dry, and I just
I guess what I would add is once you start
having that disagreement and being disgruntled with the organization where
it started in Philly, then that that bleeds into the
locker room and then now you start hearing about how
the players don't have a healthy respect for for the
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you know, the quarterback or the relationships are strained, and
then you draft a new guy, and then now the
locker room is divided. You know, Now that becomes a
narrative that's connected to your name. If you're a call
Carson Wentz, that was that was a part of the
narrative when he was leaving Philly. Is is he a
locker room guy? Is he a guy that the players
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can get behind and support and you know everything is
staying in balance. That would probably be the only thing
that I would add, whether it was for you know,
right or for wrong, whether it was fear or unfair,
whether it was accurate or inaccurate. Once that becomes a storyline,
that's something that he has to also, you know, prepare
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himself to be able to come back. And I just
I think when you find yourself being let go after
one season one time, you got a lot of soul
searching to do you find yourself getting a lot losing
your job after one season more than one time in
two different places. I don't know. I don't know how
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you handle that. I don't know how you bounce back
from that. I don't know how you feel about that.
I just don't know. Not being at the level he
was at one point in time to ending up being
a guy that gets let go after one season multiple
multiple times consecutively makes sense. I mean, if I'm Kansas City,
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I am jumping on Carson Wentz absolutely. I mean they've
needed a veteran back up the past couple of postseasons
and Chad Hadn he's now retired, and you'd have to say, like, look,
this guy's got talent, and Andy Reid can maximize most quarterbacks.
So there's no doubt in my mind like they should
be looking long and hard at Wentz and saying, look,
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coming here as a backup, you'll get maybe some opportunities
here and some burn time, or if Patrick gets hurt
and we need you and now you can resurrect your
career in a place that you can maybe settle down
for a few years, you know, watch them and learn
some good football and not be bouncing around, and you
know you'll be in a place that you know, we
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feel like is a good spot for you. So that
would make a ton of sense as a backup. Um,
But I think if you if you go started going
and looking for places where you know hey, I can
just get on the field fast. It might not be
the best situation for you to go to, either because
they're waiting for a guy to come replace you, or
you know, they're just trying to get through to the
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next year and you're just that stop gap guy, and
that's not going to help you with your career moving
forward or your development. It's only going to help that
team just get through another year until they can find
the guy to replace you. Let me let me ask you,
guys this, not to jump on you, but let me
ask you this. They're saying they're gone with Sam Howe. Okay,
they still have Tyler Taylor. Taylor, I don't think it
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is Heineke is still under contract. He well, he's still
on the team, I believe. I don't know, or the
possibility of him retiring, but he finished this season as
a commander. All right. So they're saying, Sam how but
you just brought in Eric b Enemy. Dan Snyder is
saying that, you know, you're feeling as though this the
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whole momentum of or the pendulum is swinging in the
direction of Dan Snyder maybe not selling this team. They
can't force him to sell it. He doesn't have to
sell it and there could be some feel good moments
that take place. Does this set the stage for them
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to go get Aaron Rodgers? Well, Green Bay reportedly will
not trade him to an NFC team. That's been what
has been speculated out there, and so that would kind
of cancel that out. Yeah. And you've got two bitters
in that case, and that's the Raiders and the Jets,
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which it seems like, you know, the the Raiders have
to be willing to take that on. Okay, let's let's
do this. Let's do this. Here we go, y'a already.
Do you think that in the midst of everything that
they've done in terms of how much minority outreach that
they've been a part of in Washington in combating some
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of the things that have been accused or have been
talked about, which hasn't all been race related, but some
of it. Um, do you think that they're gearing up
to try to pull off a trade with Baltimore? Um?
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I mean it's in proximity that would they be able
to do it. I don't know if they would even
have the room to do it, but I just know
if you are a man in shambles and are on
your desperation, um throw to try to make something work.
What would be better than bringing in Aaron Rodgers to
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your team? Would aired be enemy or or Lamar Jackson? Well,
is there any sort of Now that's an exclusive, So
that's a point, a point. That's a two pros and
a cup of Joe exclusive right there. But is there
any bad blood or ill will between Bishotti and Snyder?
They hate each other, all right, so that's probably hate
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each other. I mean more so I would assume more
so Brasadi that like, yeah, they don't like each other.
But but that's business is business. I'm saying, if you
could unload and get get something in return for it,
if you're Baltimore when you can't get something done, who
would be the best bidder to overpay for a situation
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such as this? It would be Dan Snyder. It would
be Dan Snyder. So whether you like them or not
doesn't matter you. I mean that that would be interesting.
That would be an epic deal. You don't think that
Bishatti would say absolutely not just hearing I mean in theory,
yes he would say absolutely not. Yeah, I just I
think that a Derek Carr would make more sense if
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he'd even be interested or Jimmy Garoppolo would make more sense.
I don't think so. I mean I think they'll do that.
I mean that's something that they'll get what they can do.
There's make no mistake about it. Knowing the track record
of who he is and how he goes after things,
that would be the one that if he could land
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Aaron Rodgers or someone like a Lamar Jackson, Is there
anyone else out there of that stature or that magnitude
that would be tradeable for I can guarantee you that's
what the Washington commanders are preparing to try to do.
Watch what I tell you. I just could you imagine
Lamar Jackson going Yeah, and plus with proximity like that
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would be especially up there. Two very different places though.
You just got to know that the DMV is very
different from Baltimore. Baltimore is Baltimore like that, and they
want it that way, and everybody around him wants it
that way. Baltimore is Baltimore, DMV is DMV, two very
different places. It does feel like Ron Rivera's got to
do something and Sam how I can't imagine that answer
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That ain't going into it and with Eric b Enemy
having so much at stake for what he wants to
do in his career to go from from Patrick Mahomes
to Sam how I just don't And and also that
division not exactly the it turns out to be and
turned out to be a pretty good division. You got
the Eagles who almost want a super Bowl, the Cowboys.
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You know that, the plays. Yeah, three teams made the
playoffs and one played in the super Bowl. Think about
that and could have won. It was competitive against an
elite team in the in the NFL. So if you
guys quickly before we get the break, if you guys
had to bet, who is the starting quarterback Week one
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for the Washington Commandos next year? Who is it? Aaron Rodgers?
You're going Rodgers? Yes? Cool man? Um, I don't know,
I'll go oppolo. Yeah. I was justa say, can I
just take other in the field. It feels like it
could be a draft pick. It feels like it could
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be a number of things. But they're sixteen. Of the
three or four that you've been talking about, Brady, none
of those guys are going to be there at sixteen.
Richardson could be there. Anthony Richardson could be That would
be fun. I take a chance though. That's the thing
is that I don't think you're taking a chance on
that young man. I don't. I don't think there's any
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debate about his skill set and ability. It's about making
it more consistent, like getting him to continue to grow,
you know, in the position, but just getting that high
level of play more consistent. I'm telling you that dude
could take the league by storm. Now. He could also
be a guy that gets in a bad situation circumstance
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and never turn into player he could have been. But
he oozes with ability. Just watch him this week when
he throws, he's gonna have the strongest arm, he's gonna
go run fastest hell, and he's gonna look really, really agile,
and everything he does. He is a specimen. I mean,
if if there's anyone in this draft that you look
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at and say he's gonna be the most polarizing amongst teams,
it's it's gonna be Anthony Richardson. Because there's gonna be
some teams that are wild by his physical skill set
and they want to work with that, and there's gonna
be some teams that are like, yeah, but when you
put on the tape. It's few and far between that
you see all those things come together to make it work.
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But I personally am am a fan. I am a fan.
I think someone's gonna take the chance on him some
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Radio and the iHeartRadio app Tis the season potential rule
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change proposal have been thrown out? All right, what do
you guys think of sling verse slam? That apparently is
what is on the dot. Yeah, it's right after Summer Slam.
They got sling verse slam and that's the roughing the
passer idea that's been thrown out there by one team.
They didn't say which team it was. Was it the Rams?
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I thought it might have been the Rams who cares?
But they said that there's a difference between whether or
not there's a slam or a sling, which is considered
part of the progression. Uh, the momentum, I guess you
will of getting after the quarterback. And so they're trying
to find the separation between the two. There, we're fortunate
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enough to have our resident sling and slam. Doctor Yeah,
doctor Errington, come on, sling it for me, mister Rington,
which sling or slam? A quarterback sling it slam? I
would say, A sling isn't towards the ground. A slam is.
That's what I would say. When you're slinging, it's your
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They're basically saying if your momentum is carrying you through
the play there, and I don't know that it is
physically possible to sling when your body is slinging, to
sling somebody down into the ground like it now becomes
a slam. Like A sling is like I got a
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hold of you, my momentum's carrying me, and then I
throw you as as I'm you know, with my momentum. Now,
slam is you're taking their body into the ground. That's
what I would say would be the definitive difference is
between a sling and a slam. A slam, I'm hitting
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you off of the ground. A sling is I'm throwing
you and you're falling to the ground. I feel like
they've made this little it's it's well, okay, let me
ask you this. Do you look at them the same
or do you say, okay, a slam should be penalized,
a sling should not be you're asking me qu like
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I am asking you. Yeah, I mean you're asking me.
You know what I mean? Like, like, so what I want?
I want to have you up so I don't don't.
I don't want any of it to be a penalty
stick city go on us. I want us to be
able to do what do we do best, which yeah,
right now, Yeah, rag Doll, my knee is a little
sore because of the who make him feel like a
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quarterback right now, rag Doll, that thousands Jona. He put
both his hands behind his head and said, Rag that
made it. I don't want to do it. What's wrong?
I'm gonna do it. People ask why we're not on
We can't like televise this. It's it's it's because of
Jonas For me, I would put it on Berto first
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and foremost, gonna shake his head. No, you are one
the what No, Berto's the puppet master a philth on
this show. He's the one who controls all this. He's
the one that puts it all out of his system.
He don't say nothing inappropriate nowhere else. Berto, you know,
Berto leaves up out of this studio. BeRTOS is all
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that craziness in there and wants in the minute leads
a student, Hello, I'm a Roberto. Yeah, he's British. Actually,
how are you guys doing today? I shut would love
just a little bit of tea? Please? Yes? Can you
do a cookie? Just a cookie? Mother? That's how he
speaks when that is how Berto? No native? I am
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daylon by your boss. By the way, what happened to
fig Newton's? They still make those round somewhere got My
dad used to eat those like a star. Which was
the favorite ones though, because the original is the original,
the original, that's your favorite. And that was the one
that he always because in the strawberry and winter strawberries,
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and he original because the original was it's like it's
like prune. Yeah. Nah. The strawberry ones were like five
and you eat four or five of those? Oh you
out of it? Where's daddy? Yeah, Daddy's in a shower,
hare the toilet flushing. Hey listen anyway, So so here's
the thing. I don't I don't think either one should
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be should be illegal. But I will say this, if
you touch a quarterback at this point, it's a it's
a penalty. They call a penalty. So my whole thing
is is if they're trying to make this for a
quarterback position, you are now continuing to further a rule
and rules that that kind of keep you from touching
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the quarterback. My my, my thought process on where everything
is going in terms of trying to surround and protect
the quarterback from from all of these different things that
can happen is just make it tag tag the quarterback.
You can tackle anybody else. Just tagged a quarterback, they'll
be like eighty sacks a year for some yeah, yeah,
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and less penalties. And that's my thing. Either you're going
to allow him to be a football player and get
hit like everybody else does, or you're going to continue
to make rules where you're basically passively aggressively saying to
the players, don't touch him. So you're saying that TA
can stop taking his judo lessons, right, doesn't have to
worry about it because if they to, and think about
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the level of athleticism a quarterback has to exercise to
keep from getting touched. Here's what's interesting to me though,
because you had a number of instances where this happened
this season, right. I think it happened to Rogers at
one point, it happened to brock Purty in the NFC
Championship game. Those weren't injuries sustained through like a sling
or a slam. It was just the fact that the
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quarterback's arm got hit. And so you're obviously going to
keep training defensive ends and or edge rushers and pass
rushers to do that, are you not? And Josh Allen too, right,
Josh Allen as well, there's another one and so you yeah.
But but I'm saying like that had nothing to do
with this rule. You're right. So I look at this
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and and to your point, I just think, look, it's football, man,
it's football. I know we want to protect it. And
we'll maybe get into this um potential rule change with
with the NBA as their collective bargaining agreement. It looks
like it's it's coming together. But if there's a reason
why you have a backup, like I said this after
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the after the game the NAFCY Championship game, there's a
reason why there's a third quarterback designation because the league
goes through ebbs and flows where there's gonna be times
when they're defense has an advantage. And right now, the defense,
if you just line up four guys to rush against
the five offensive lineman, the defense has an extreme advantage.
There are better athletes on that side of the ball.
Bottom line. If that offends the one you think I'm
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lying or making some stuff up, that is the That
is the truth. And it's as big of a gap
as it's ever been because of the type of athletes
are getting want to go play defense and the type
of athletes are getting on the old line, and a
lot of times now you're seeing guys who can't make
it on the D line transition to play O line
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because they're better athletes. And so what we need to
realize is we need to put in measures to have
backups that can come in and play and do well.
And we saw that this season eventually to a point.
But we also have to have measures in to say,
all right, like maybe we need to be able to
go deeper. Like right now, we talk about load management
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in the NBA, which ticks me off because what's the
point of having a bench, Like that's why you have
a bench you have a bench, so you have depth
of a team that can come in and give your
players rest so they're not playing forty plus minutes a game.
It's not complicated. We complicate this stuff and it's so
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it's crazy to me. Yea. So even in this case
like look sling slam whatever, it shouldn't be a penalty
in the first place. It's football. It's football, Like you
either need to protect your quarterback better with seven man
protections and other things to not allow that to happen
to him, or get the guy to be mobile, or
get the ballotom his hand. How about that. You can
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watch so many older veteran quarterbacks get the ball out
of their hand quick and that's what they're taught to
do to survive to play the next down. So I
just I hate the fact that we're trying to like
tweak and do all this stuff these rules. I understand
the intent. We don't want to see the phases of
these franchises go down, but that's football. That's how it works.
That's part of the game. And now you're penalizing defensive
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players and hurting their game and their ability to play
the you know, the play the game way you should
be played and finding them and costing them money for
doing what a lot of generations of football players have
done forever. I mean, I feel like the rules makers
look at it and they understand what Q Jess said
that there are a flunk of athletes that are playing
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defense these days, and it's wild because you're now seeing
guys that would have been safeties playing linebacker. You're seeing
guys that would have played linebacker playing defensive end. You're
seeing guys that would have played defensive end playing defensive tackle.
And it's all because of the amount of skill and
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strength that that is involved. The understanding and the knowledge
of how to leverage a body and how to leverage
your body and contort and get into areas and and
and grab body parts that that allow for you to
gain leverage. It's all there. And so to me, by
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putting in these rules, like the targeting rules, the way
you hit the quarterback, you have you literally have a
strike zone for the quarterback and and it's the same
place where you would throw a baseball. You gotta hit,
You gotta be able to get around the guy. You
got to be able to beat double teams if you're
a good blocker and you still have to land home
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in the strike zone of a quarterback, which is you're
basically saying, with all of the rules with corners and
the way you hit, you're basically saying, we acknowledge the
fact that we know how good the athletes are on
the defensive side of the ball, and for that we
have to make the elements of what are considered and
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perceived to be safety procedures. But what you're really doing
is is that you're you're trying to even the playing
field so that the success rate goes up on what's
taking place on the offensive side of the ball. Be
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give me a hell yeah. Hey, By the way, Derek
Carr is on his way. Maybe he's already there, but
he's on his way to the Combine in Indianapolis to
talk with teams. How about that making it be known
he's looking for work. Yeah, it's it's very common. Actually,
a lot of people shouldn't be surprised when you run
into guys who are either a free agent or a
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bow reddy hit free agency who happened to wind up
and bump into people Indianapolis. You know, it's just it's
just so weird how that works out. But yeah, that's
been going on for a long time. And I remember,
like as a player, when you're coming out of college
and into the draft, you're so unaware of really like
how big of a deal the Combine is for everyone
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else but you It's it's actually about like all the
other business of the NFL. But you you know, whether
it's trades potentially for you know, before free agency or
the start of the new league year, or during the
draft for free agents, a lot of times their agents
are there negotiating with teams already kind of what those
deals are going to look like. You know, you look
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at everything around the NFL and just the entire industry.
There's chiropractic conventions, there's athletic trainer conventions, there's strengthened performance
trainers who are all there with their athletes, but also
you know there for other you know, piece of equipment
and so forth. It is completely packed with every single
industry that touches the NFL. It is it's crazy. It
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really is crazy. And until you're able to go and
not kind of have those blinders on as an athlete,
you're you're fully not aware of it. They have. They
have a restaurant there that serves the best Long Island
iced tea and the largest variety of them. They have
an entire um chalkboard, a wall of chalkboards. Forget the
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name of a place, man. They have the it wasn't
TGI Fridays though it was downtown and there they had
every every type of They had cherry Coke Long Islands,
they had Blue Blaze Long Islands. They had kiss your
Ass Goodbye Long Islands. They had Taxi cab home ride
Long Islands. They they had more Long Island variety. I
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wasn't having killy. And they have this bread that they
served there. It's like, uh, I don't know, it's like thing, well,
it's that that's their thing. Like it's this brid that
they served that's like legendary brid and you gotta eat
it there and it's hot and I think it has
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cheese and it's like mozzarella cheese bread or something like that.
I don't know anyway, Uh, you know what I was thinking.
The first thing I thought about when I heard Derek
Carr was, um, is he going to hang out with
Carson Wentz. I wonder if Carson Wentz still has a
piece of property there, because they probably be there kind
of looking for a gig together, right well, under under
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different kinds of certain different circles. Derek cars on team too,
Carson Wentz is on Team four, so it feels like
we're in a different spot. But I'm just sad, But
maybe Carson Wentz can help him navigate what it feels
like to be, you know, in the situation that he's
in right now and he doesn't have to pay, you know,
for hotel room. The report is that for me and Rapp,
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report of the NFL network is that the Panthers, Saints,
and Jets are set to meet with Derek Carr. I
thought I thought he already met with the Saints and
the Jets. Definitely met with the Saints, Yeah, and Jets
for Yeah, that's interesting. So so why is this even?
Maybe it's maybe the Jets and the Saints want to
see how he compares to the young guys that they're
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going to be looking at. I mean, it's possibility, you know,
they may want to maybe they want to try to
solidify the deal and this is just that one last
time that they sit down and talk with them. And
weren't the Panthers didn't Frank Reich say last week that
they weren't ready to talk with Derek Carr. They weren't
ready to have that discussion. So I see a lot
of holes in this report. Yeah, done that up to me?
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Maybe there's a surprise team that's in the market for
Derek Carr. Maybe that would that be Well, no, not Washington.
Daniel Snyder will be at the part. You know, there's
a team in the NFC South who was saying that
they really, really really liked their quarterback. Now they really
liked their quarterback, Little Desmond Ritter getting a lot of
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love from the Atlanta Falcons that they're they're really high
on their quarterback, but they're not ready to name a
starting quarterback yet. You know, but they really like Desimriter.
They're just not ready to name a starter as of yet.
That was the according to many in the Atlanta area
talking about their situation at quarterback. It just makes me wonder.
I mean, you got a lot of talent there. You
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got Kyle Pitts, You've got Drake London. I mean they
got rid of our guy, Calvin Ridley. That's unfortunate, but
it feels like there are weapons there in Atlanta to
try and do some stuff on offense. Maybe Derek Carr
would take a look at Atlanta at that opportunity presented itself,
just saying that's also another team that's out there. Because
there's also a thought though that if there's any team
that's going to make a run and a trade for
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Lamar Jackson, that it's gonna be Atlanta, and so that
could be a potential team that's keeping close track on
what's happening in Baltimore and whether or not they end
up utilists of the franchise tag, which there will be
a deadline to designate the franchise. Trying to say Atlanta
specializes in Lamar jaltons. What you trying to stop my report?
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All right, I'm not I'm not a writer. I could
send you the report if you'd like. This is just
I'm sorry. I'm the only one who actually reads sports.
Call you Readeez. I didn't know. I didn't know we could.
Q beats can't read. You know, we don't. We don't read. Yeah,
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that's a good point. Yeah, I do audio books. What
do you think that that's the truth? You know, I
read the book while I listen to it. That's how
I expand my my vocabulary. True story. You read it
and listen to it. I read it while I listen
to it. Did that defeat the purpose? Though? Why try try?
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But why didn't need a narrator? If you're narrating, you
should try it, I'm telling you. But you learn new
words that way. That's how I've I've expanded my vocabulary
through the years by listening to audio books because then
you know how to say the word, and like I'll
look it up and then I'll look at look up
the context and how it's used. Like it's it's pretty
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interesting because you you can read a book, but you
might you might be reading it differently than what the
way it was written. So somebody who who does the
audio book, the people who wrote the book are going
to approve the audio version of the book. So then
whatever the context, the proper context of how you should
read it and and the pacing of it, you get
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it when you listen to it an audio book. Yeah,
there you go. I listened to the Bible, Um, James
Earl Jones. I listened to like I would read. I mean,
if there was any voice to sound like God, it
has to be James. Yeah. It's pretty dope. I mean,
that's so fitting. And they have a little bit of
music to it, Like you sit there and I fall
asleep on playing rides listening to it. That's that's how
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I read. I don't really read. I read it, but
I don't really read it. It's not my voice. I'm
just I'm looking at the word, and I'm hearing the
words being said. That's almost like having James Earl Jones
like nar narrate your life. That'd be pretty sweet. Could
you imagine that? And I would always feel like the
lion king if that was the case. Brady Quinn gets
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up from out of bid. Yeah, everything you do is
like just majestic and rushes his teeth with teeth brushing ever,
and then he flushes the commode. That's right, with such
a grace and dominance. Then he put one leg into
the tight I'll go this, two legs into the tidy
white and then three And you know the worst part
(35:43):
about that is I was gonna take a knock at
Jonas and now I can't. No, I can't because I
just gave you a great compliment on the air. Yeah,
this real, that's how you do it, talking about I
was trying to go along with it. Hey, now that
we got called out on social media, now I'm like
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aware of it now, Like, no, we really do we
really didn't around. Don't go back and listen to yesterday's show.
That's awesome. Yeah it was bad. Yeah, I got out
a line. It was a little bit sorry too. By
the way, whoever you are that wrote that and said it. Sorry,
trying to find our footing here post NFL season? What
do you want from us? The best we can try
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to balance out? You know, Hey, so who's going to
get the franchise tag in Dallas? Is it gonna be
Tony Pollard or is it gonna be Dalton Schultz? What's
the Stephen Jones just talking about franchise tags and all
that stuff in Dallas transition, I just, you know, want
to pay off the tease formattox here. You know, I
think I don't know, you guys look at it, but
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I think Paulard is more important to the offense. And
the crazy thing is, if thinking about Zeke's cap number,
if they keep him on the roster because they don't
really have to him and pull would combine would have
to be the highest number cap number we've ever seen
for a running back room, at least in recent history.
It just it seems like that those numbers are astronomical
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for one year, which makes you think they'd be more
willing to move on from Zeke, even though it doesn't
seem like Jerry Jones or Steven Jones would want two.
But that would be who I'd use it on and
it's it's no disrespect that Dalton Schultz is. Just the
reality is, you know, even though his tag numbers a
little lower, I think you try to get a long
term deal done with them. If you can't, you can
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go find another one. This is a good draft class
for tight ends two where they could draft them and
replace them. You can't. I mean, if you bring back Zeke,
you have to bring him back in a lower number, right.
There has to be some restructuring, isn't there, Like I
can't imagin Yeah, you'd think to create some more cap space,
but the problem is, you know, then you're giving them
cash upfront, and so he would have to be probably
taking a pay cut, even though what she'd be fine
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to do, yeah, I do not even on the back end.
Just overall, he's probably not gonna make us much as
he was originally scheduled to make, but he would get
more money guaranteed up front or correct in the in
the short term, correct, Yeah, yeah, because otherwise there wouldn't
be any reason for him to restructure, Like you just
ride it out, like y'all just gotta cut me. If
it was any other team, don't you think they would
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just walk away from him. At this point, it feels
like Dallas wants to hold on because they want to
try and they realized they got it fleeced in the
negotiations and there's this loyalty to head. They've given out
How many big contracts over the last three four years?
How many big contracts Dakum was DeMarcus Lawrence before Zeke
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or after? But is that a really like is that
a really really big contract? At the time it was
you get like ninety million or something. I would say
the two biggest contracts that they've done has been Zeke
and dak Yeah, now which one have you gotten a
tremendous ROI off of? I don't know that you would
say for the money that you spent, would you say
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you've you're justified? And what it is is that that
you spent if your Dallas or are you having buyer's
remorse for both of those contracts? And you're gonna want
to get MICA's deal done? His deal done? What's he
gonna get paid? Yeah, Mica, you got CD LAMB coming up,
all these guys, you're gonna have to figure that out. Yeah,
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they're in a tough spot there to keep them all together,
and their window is interesting, which to say is was
their window open to begin with would probably be the
better debate, right, you know, I also think that's a
team though, and this might sound controversial, but as they
look at like the nucleus of players that they are paying,
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like a Cede Lamb, there's no doubt extend them like
a Parson's no doubt extend them absolutely. Um. You could
probably go through a few other players in the roster
and you say, hey, those guys are gonna get extended.
A diggiezeal on the insides played well yeah, yeah, Um.
You might sit there and say, well, it'd be a
lot easier to extend them if we were on a
rookie quarterback contract. And that's where it leads you to
think like maybe it's it's you know, in the next
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year or two, they're gonna have to make that decision
on Dak because they could start over draft a quarterback
and then allow themselves to have these talented players around
what could be one of the more talented quarterbacks coming
out of draft. It'd be interesting to see if Dallas
would position themselves to do so, if if they had
a season that allowed them to be in that spot.
The defense seems to be if they hold their defense together.
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You know, we didn't mention digs. I mean, if they
hold their defense together, they're gonna be They're gonna be.
What was that? What's that? Uh? Finley just walked by
and it kind of threw off my concentration. They made
a hand gesture and I didn't really know what it
(40:48):
was hand gesture it was it was, oh, man, stopped
you dead in your trash. I felt uncomfortable, but I
got to regain myself composure here. Uh yeah, So I
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just I've said the biggest question mark has been has
been what you have going on on the offensive side?
What do you what do you have going on with
your offensive line? You know, how's that going to to fear?
What are you going to do as it applies to
your your backfield? How is that going to play out?
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What are you going to do at your quarterback position?
How is that going to play I was going to
mention something. It's almost you almost wish that Mike McCarthy,
like if there was like another quarterback in the league
who could be on the move that he's got a
history with or something. You know, I just wondering didn't
they end on bad terms? Though we're talking about they
were very friendly when they last saw each other, I
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feel like they ended on bad terms. Man, almost like
Aaron Rodgers was the reason why Mike McCarthy lost his
job in Green Bay. Like that's what I felt, That's
what I taught a Super Bowl together, they definitely did,
but I felt like the milk went bad at some
point between them. Though, you know, I don't know. I mean,
maybe you're right. I don't know. And listen, we're probably
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gonna get some manses as a Tuesday at some point
on The Pat McAfee Show, starring aj Hall, as his
eyes readjusted to being in light now by now no
good question, Yeah, curious as he adjusted to regular society
by now as he reacclimate it. I don't know, we'll
find out, okay, starring aj Hawk. Nice. I just want
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to point that out. Hey, hey, hey, Aaron, just tell
him nothing, nothing happened. Just tell him nothing. I'm good,
nothing happened. We're all good here. H And by the ways,
the LB rat right there, nothing happened. And we're just
a couple of months away from AJ Hawk's hopeful appearance
on this show because he's going to break down the
Kentucky Derby is a Kentucky Derby and are we going?
(43:00):
Are we going? I would love? I got business? Good question,
I got business. There would love too. What date is
the Kentucky Derby? Can you look that uply? Just uh
get some confirmation on that. Let's go usually first weekend
in May May sixth? May sixth, Okay, right after Sinko
to Mayo could be a problem. Just saying why they
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just could be a problem. Let's do Let's do Sinco
de Mayo and Kentucky. Yeah, a lot of options out.
I mean we'd be doing Sinko de Mayo again on
the sixth too. They do Sinko de Mayo at at
the Kentucky Derby, do they? Whoa? Oh? I mean you go?
I mean we If we went with Q we would
definitely be an a dope spot so we wouldn't have
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to pay for the drinks. I can confirm, jermyn what
a Saturday? Yeah? Oh, can't make it. H We'll see
can you make it? Oh? I put that together? Okay,
well you know no, no, I actually have class. Yeah, yeah, okay,
what was the topic for Let's get back on topic,
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All right, so Carson Wentz, the era of the Wentz
and Washington commando's run is over. He has been released
by the football team. And it just feels like we
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kind of saw this happening. It was headed in this direction.
But it's pretty wild to think that this guy was
the MVP of the league and then since that time,
after eleven games or whatever it was, heading into week fourteen,
whatever it was. It was a December game against the Rams.
Since that time, he's gotten injured. The Eagles won a
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Super Bowl, They've gone to another one, both with guys
that spend time backing up him in Philadelphia. He goes
to Indianapolis. That was a disaster. He was the fall guy,
according to jimmers say, and then ultimately it was Frank
and then he goes to Washington, suffers an injury. Tyler
Heineke comes in. Next thing you know, Carson Wentz is
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battling trying to get playing time, ended off the season
poorly again and now he's out of work. It is
a crazy turn of events to consider where he was,
and all the promise that he showed. And meanwhile, the
guy that was taken ahead of him, who everybody said,
Carson Wentz is going to pan out better Jared Goff's career,
I would I would argue he's playing at an all
time level and Carson Wentz is now looking for work.
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What the hell happened? You? Oh, I'm supposed to kick
off on that? Yeah, what happened? I think it's a
number of things. I mean, one, I don't think that
Carson Wentz lacks talent, and that's that's the first thing.
You know. He got drafted where he got drafted for
a reason, and because I think people saw talent in him,
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and at times he displayed that in his career, especially
early on when he had the momentum. He had had
confidence and he had an organization that believed in him.
And the worst thing that could happen to him, and
really within that organization is is he lost confidence in himself.
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Whether that comes via an injury or not, or maybe
it was just more mental and someone else came in
and basically took over the team he was running, took
him to a super Bowl and won it, and so
everything he had done up to that point where he
probably felt like he was the biggest reason as the
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quarterback of a team that they were having success was
all diminished because you had a guy come in behind
you who's not viewed as talented and not viewed as
good as you come in and be able to take
this team to the pinnacle. That I think really set
him back mentally, probably as far as you know what
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he's capable of him as a player, what he's capable
of as a quarterback, questioning I think a lot of
people in the locker room even question just you know,
his ability to be that guy, or could anyone lead
that team? Could Nick Foles come in and lead that team?
And so I think those early struggles really plagued him,
honestly throughout the rest of his career. And it's hard
if you think about it from human nature, who the
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hell is going to get over that? Like, if he
stays healthy through that season, he's not only the MVP.
They probably still go on to win the Super Bowl,
you'd think me at least that's the trajectory that they
were on. And you think if Nick Foles could, Carson
Wentz could at least that season, the way he's playing
his entire career looks different. And so then after that
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point there's obviously some I don't know if it's frustration
or disgruntlement between Wentzon the organization and Wentz and Foles
and all that. So they move on from Foles, but
they Joe draft a guy who to come in and
basically potentially replace Wentz in Jalen Hurts, and so then
that deteriorates. So then Wentz looks for a new opportunity
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and he goes to a team the Colts, where I mean,
say what you want. He obviously performed better than Matt
Ryan did. Now, he didn't down the stretch when they
needed him to the most. But it's also a tough
call for any quarterback who's going into a system in
their first year, trying to get down the chemistry and
a new environment, all these things around you, the opponents
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you're playing. Now, you go from an NFC team to
an AFC team, you know, all that stuff is a
learning experience in your first year. He didn't play awful.
He didn't He wasn't the best quarterback in the league,
but he played some decent football. But the bottom line
is or they wanted to blame him, whether it's the
vaccine and all that had something to do with them,
and then he goes to Washington. Now Washington's trying to
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make him the savior, new team, new offense, another year.
I mean, it's just that's where things start to spiral
out and you end up not having any success when
you don't any stability. I mean, if you ask a
defensive player who jumped from three teams in three years,
how would you say he's going to play? Probably not well.
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I mean I think you could probably use that analogy
for any organization or any corporation you work for. You
you jump to three different places in three years, you're
probably gonna have a hard time really settling in and
performing at your best until you get some more time.
They're run the people you're working with. Yeah, I mean,
I think that's that about due, does it. I Mean,
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that's it's pretty pretty cut and dry, and I just
I guess what I would add is once you start
having that disagreement and being disgruntled with the organization where
it started in Philly, then that that bleeds into the
locker room and then now you start hearing about how
the players don't have a healthy respect for for the
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you know, the quarterback or the relationships are strained, and
then you draft a new guy, and then now the
locker room is divided. You know, Now that becomes a
narrative that's connected to your name. If you're a call
Carson Wentz, that was that was a part of the
narrative when he was leaving Philly. Is is he a
locker room guy? Is he a guy that the players
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can get behind and support and you know everything is
staying in balance. That would probably be the only thing
that I would add, whether it was for you know,
right or for wrong, whether it was fear or unfair,
whether it was accurate or inaccurate. Once that becomes a storyline,
that's something that he has to also, you know, prepare
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himself to be able to come back. And I just
I think when you find yourself being let go after
one season one time, you got a lot of soul
searching to do you find yourself getting a lot losing
your job after one season more than one time in
two different places. I don't know. I don't know how
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you handle that. I don't know how you bounce back
from that. I don't know how you feel about that.
I just don't know. Not being at the level he
was at one point in time to ending up being
a guy that gets let go after one season multiple
multiple times consecutively makes sense. I mean, if I'm Kansas City,
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I am jumping on Carson Wentz absolutely. I mean they've
needed a veteran back up the past couple of postseasons
and Chad Hadn he's now retired, and you'd have to say, like, look,
this guy's got talent, and Andy Reid can maximize most quarterbacks.
So there's no doubt in my mind like they should
be looking long and hard at Wentz and saying, look,
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coming here as a backup, you'll get maybe some opportunities
here and some burn time, or if Patrick gets hurt
and we need you and now you can resurrect your
career in a place that you can maybe settle down
for a few years, you know, watch them and learn
some good football and not be bouncing around, and you
know you'll be in a place that you know, we
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feel like is a good spot for you. So that
would make a ton of sense as a backup. Um,
But I think if you if you go started going
and looking for places where you know hey, I can
just get on the field fast. It might not be
the best situation for you to go to, either because
they're waiting for a guy to come replace you, or
you know, they're just trying to get through to the
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next year and you're just that stop gap guy, and
that's not going to help you with your career moving
forward or your development. It's only going to help that
team just get through another year until they can find
the guy to replace you. Let me let me ask you,
guys this, not to jump on you, but let me
ask you this. They're saying they're gone with Sam Howe. Okay,
they still have Tyler Taylor. Taylor, I don't think it
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is Heineke is still under contract. He well, he's still
on the team, I believe. I don't know, or the
possibility of him retiring, but he finished this season as
a commander. All right. So they're saying, Sam how but
you just brought in Eric b Enemy. Dan Snyder is
saying that, you know, you're feeling as though this the
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whole momentum of or the pendulum is swinging in the
direction of Dan Snyder maybe not selling this team. They
can't force him to sell it. He doesn't have to
sell it and there could be some feel good moments
that take place. Does this set the stage for them
(09:33):
to go get Aaron Rodgers? Well, Green Bay reportedly will
not trade him to an NFC team. That's been what
has been speculated out there, and so that would kind
of cancel that out. Yeah. And you've got two bitters
in that case, and that's the Raiders and the Jets,
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which it seems like, you know, the the Raiders have
to be willing to take that on. Okay, let's let's
do this. Let's do this. Here we go, y'a already.
Do you think that in the midst of everything that
they've done in terms of how much minority outreach that
they've been a part of in Washington in combating some
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of the things that have been accused or have been
talked about, which hasn't all been race related, but some
of it. Um, do you think that they're gearing up
to try to pull off a trade with Baltimore? Um?
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I mean it's in proximity that would they be able
to do it. I don't know if they would even
have the room to do it, but I just know
if you are a man in shambles and are on
your desperation, um throw to try to make something work.
What would be better than bringing in Aaron Rodgers to
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your team? Would aired be enemy or or Lamar Jackson? Well,
is there any sort of Now that's an exclusive, So
that's a point, a point. That's a two pros and
a cup of Joe exclusive right there. But is there
any bad blood or ill will between Bishotti and Snyder?
They hate each other, all right, so that's probably hate
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each other. I mean more so I would assume more
so Brasadi that like, yeah, they don't like each other.
But but that's business is business. I'm saying, if you
could unload and get get something in return for it,
if you're Baltimore when you can't get something done, who
would be the best bidder to overpay for a situation
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such as this? It would be Dan Snyder. It would
be Dan Snyder. So whether you like them or not
doesn't matter you. I mean that that would be interesting.
That would be an epic deal. You don't think that
Bishatti would say absolutely not just hearing I mean in theory,
yes he would say absolutely not. Yeah, I just I
think that a Derek Carr would make more sense if
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he'd even be interested or Jimmy Garoppolo would make more sense.
I don't think so. I mean I think they'll do that.
I mean that's something that they'll get what they can do.
There's make no mistake about it. Knowing the track record
of who he is and how he goes after things,
that would be the one that if he could land
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Aaron Rodgers or someone like a Lamar Jackson, Is there
anyone else out there of that stature or that magnitude
that would be tradeable for I can guarantee you that's
what the Washington commanders are preparing to try to do.
Watch what I tell you. I just could you imagine
Lamar Jackson going Yeah, and plus with proximity like that
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would be especially up there. Two very different places though.
You just got to know that the DMV is very
different from Baltimore. Baltimore is Baltimore like that, and they
want it that way, and everybody around him wants it
that way. Baltimore is Baltimore, DMV is DMV, two very
different places. It does feel like Ron Rivera's got to
do something and Sam how I can't imagine that answer
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That ain't going into it and with Eric b Enemy
having so much at stake for what he wants to
do in his career to go from from Patrick Mahomes
to Sam how I just don't And and also that
division not exactly the it turns out to be and
turned out to be a pretty good division. You got
the Eagles who almost want a super Bowl, the Cowboys.
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You know that, the plays. Yeah, three teams made the
playoffs and one played in the super Bowl. Think about
that and could have won. It was competitive against an
elite team in the in the NFL. So if you
guys quickly before we get the break, if you guys
had to bet, who is the starting quarterback Week one
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for the Washington Commandos next year? Who is it? Aaron Rodgers?
You're going Rodgers? Yes? Cool man? Um, I don't know,
I'll go oppolo. Yeah. I was justa say, can I
just take other in the field. It feels like it
could be a draft pick. It feels like it could
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be a number of things. But they're sixteen. Of the
three or four that you've been talking about, Brady, none
of those guys are going to be there at sixteen.
Richardson could be there. Anthony Richardson could be That would
be fun. I take a chance though. That's the thing
is that I don't think you're taking a chance on
that young man. I don't. I don't think there's any
(14:31):
debate about his skill set and ability. It's about making
it more consistent, like getting him to continue to grow,
you know, in the position, but just getting that high
level of play more consistent. I'm telling you that dude
could take the league by storm. Now. He could also
be a guy that gets in a bad situation circumstance
(14:54):
and never turn into player he could have been. But
he oozes with ability. Just watch him this week when
he throws, he's gonna have the strongest arm, he's gonna
go run fastest hell, and he's gonna look really, really agile,
and everything he does. He is a specimen. I mean,
if if there's anyone in this draft that you look
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at and say he's gonna be the most polarizing amongst teams,
it's it's gonna be Anthony Richardson. Because there's gonna be
some teams that are wild by his physical skill set
and they want to work with that, and there's gonna
be some teams that are like, yeah, but when you
put on the tape. It's few and far between that
you see all those things come together to make it work.
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But I personally am am a fan. I am a fan.
I think someone's gonna take the chance on him some
of the top twenty for sure. Be sure to catch
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Radio and the iHeartRadio app Tis the season potential rule
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change proposal have been thrown out? All right, what do
you guys think of sling verse slam? That apparently is
what is on the dot. Yeah, it's right after Summer Slam.
They got sling verse slam and that's the roughing the
passer idea that's been thrown out there by one team.
They didn't say which team it was. Was it the Rams?
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I thought it might have been the Rams who cares?
But they said that there's a difference between whether or
not there's a slam or a sling, which is considered
part of the progression. Uh, the momentum, I guess you
will of getting after the quarterback. And so they're trying
to find the separation between the two. There, we're fortunate
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enough to have our resident sling and slam. Doctor Yeah,
doctor Errington, come on, sling it for me, mister Rington,
which sling or slam? A quarterback sling it slam? I
would say, A sling isn't towards the ground. A slam is.
That's what I would say. When you're slinging, it's your
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They're basically saying if your momentum is carrying you through
the play there, and I don't know that it is
physically possible to sling when your body is slinging, to
sling somebody down into the ground like it now becomes
a slam. Like A sling is like I got a
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hold of you, my momentum's carrying me, and then I
throw you as as I'm you know, with my momentum. Now,
slam is you're taking their body into the ground. That's
what I would say would be the definitive difference is
between a sling and a slam. A slam, I'm hitting
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you off of the ground. A sling is I'm throwing
you and you're falling to the ground. I feel like
they've made this little it's it's well, okay, let me
ask you this. Do you look at them the same
or do you say, okay, a slam should be penalized,
a sling should not be you're asking me qu like
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I am asking you. Yeah, I mean you're asking me.
You know what I mean? Like, like, so what I want?
I want to have you up so I don't don't.
I don't want any of it to be a penalty
stick city go on us. I want us to be
able to do what do we do best, which yeah,
right now, Yeah, rag Doll, my knee is a little
sore because of the who make him feel like a
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quarterback right now, rag Doll, that thousands Jona. He put
both his hands behind his head and said, Rag that
made it. I don't want to do it. What's wrong?
I'm gonna do it. People ask why we're not on
We can't like televise this. It's it's it's because of
Jonas For me, I would put it on Berto first
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and foremost, gonna shake his head. No, you are one
the what No, Berto's the puppet master a philth on
this show. He's the one who controls all this. He's
the one that puts it all out of his system.
He don't say nothing inappropriate nowhere else. Berto, you know,
Berto leaves up out of this studio. BeRTOS is all
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that craziness in there and wants in the minute leads
a student, Hello, I'm a Roberto. Yeah, he's British. Actually,
how are you guys doing today? I shut would love
just a little bit of tea? Please? Yes? Can you
do a cookie? Just a cookie? Mother? That's how he
speaks when that is how Berto? No native? I am
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daylon by your boss. By the way, what happened to
fig Newton's? They still make those round somewhere got My
dad used to eat those like a star. Which was
the favorite ones though, because the original is the original,
the original, that's your favorite. And that was the one
that he always because in the strawberry and winter strawberries,
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and he original because the original was it's like it's
like prune. Yeah. Nah. The strawberry ones were like five
and you eat four or five of those? Oh you
out of it? Where's daddy? Yeah, Daddy's in a shower,
hare the toilet flushing. Hey listen anyway, So so here's
the thing. I don't I don't think either one should
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be should be illegal. But I will say this, if
you touch a quarterback at this point, it's a it's
a penalty. They call a penalty. So my whole thing
is is if they're trying to make this for a
quarterback position, you are now continuing to further a rule
and rules that that kind of keep you from touching
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the quarterback. My my, my thought process on where everything
is going in terms of trying to surround and protect
the quarterback from from all of these different things that
can happen is just make it tag tag the quarterback.
You can tackle anybody else. Just tagged a quarterback, they'll
be like eighty sacks a year for some yeah, yeah,
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and less penalties. And that's my thing. Either you're going
to allow him to be a football player and get
hit like everybody else does, or you're going to continue
to make rules where you're basically passively aggressively saying to
the players, don't touch him. So you're saying that TA
can stop taking his judo lessons, right, doesn't have to
worry about it because if they to, and think about
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the level of athleticism a quarterback has to exercise to
keep from getting touched. Here's what's interesting to me though,
because you had a number of instances where this happened
this season, right. I think it happened to Rogers at
one point, it happened to brock Purty in the NFC
Championship game. Those weren't injuries sustained through like a sling
or a slam. It was just the fact that the
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quarterback's arm got hit. And so you're obviously going to
keep training defensive ends and or edge rushers and pass
rushers to do that, are you not? And Josh Allen too, right,
Josh Allen as well, there's another one and so you yeah.
But but I'm saying like that had nothing to do
with this rule. You're right. So I look at this
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and and to your point, I just think, look, it's football, man,
it's football. I know we want to protect it. And
we'll maybe get into this um potential rule change with
with the NBA as their collective bargaining agreement. It looks
like it's it's coming together. But if there's a reason
why you have a backup, like I said this after
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the after the game the NAFCY Championship game, there's a
reason why there's a third quarterback designation because the league
goes through ebbs and flows where there's gonna be times
when they're defense has an advantage. And right now, the defense,
if you just line up four guys to rush against
the five offensive lineman, the defense has an extreme advantage.
There are better athletes on that side of the ball.
Bottom line. If that offends the one you think I'm
(22:55):
lying or making some stuff up, that is the That
is the truth. And it's as big of a gap
as it's ever been because of the type of athletes
are getting want to go play defense and the type
of athletes are getting on the old line, and a
lot of times now you're seeing guys who can't make
it on the D line transition to play O line
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because they're better athletes. And so what we need to
realize is we need to put in measures to have
backups that can come in and play and do well.
And we saw that this season eventually to a point.
But we also have to have measures in to say,
all right, like maybe we need to be able to
go deeper. Like right now, we talk about load management
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in the NBA, which ticks me off because what's the
point of having a bench, Like that's why you have
a bench you have a bench, so you have depth
of a team that can come in and give your
players rest so they're not playing forty plus minutes a game.
It's not complicated. We complicate this stuff and it's so
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it's crazy to me. Yea. So even in this case
like look sling slam whatever, it shouldn't be a penalty
in the first place. It's football. It's football, Like you
either need to protect your quarterback better with seven man
protections and other things to not allow that to happen
to him, or get the guy to be mobile, or
get the ballotom his hand. How about that. You can
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watch so many older veteran quarterbacks get the ball out
of their hand quick and that's what they're taught to
do to survive to play the next down. So I
just I hate the fact that we're trying to like
tweak and do all this stuff these rules. I understand
the intent. We don't want to see the phases of
these franchises go down, but that's football. That's how it works.
That's part of the game. And now you're penalizing defensive
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players and hurting their game and their ability to play
the you know, the play the game way you should
be played and finding them and costing them money for
doing what a lot of generations of football players have
done forever. I mean, I feel like the rules makers
look at it and they understand what Q Jess said
that there are a flunk of athletes that are playing
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defense these days, and it's wild because you're now seeing
guys that would have been safeties playing linebacker. You're seeing
guys that would have played linebacker playing defensive end. You're
seeing guys that would have played defensive end playing defensive tackle.
And it's all because of the amount of skill and
(25:24):
strength that that is involved. The understanding and the knowledge
of how to leverage a body and how to leverage
your body and contort and get into areas and and
and grab body parts that that allow for you to
gain leverage. It's all there. And so to me, by
(25:44):
putting in these rules, like the targeting rules, the way
you hit the quarterback, you have you literally have a
strike zone for the quarterback and and it's the same
place where you would throw a baseball. You gotta hit,
You gotta be able to get around the guy. You
got to be able to beat double teams if you're
a good blocker and you still have to land home
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in the strike zone of a quarterback, which is you're
basically saying, with all of the rules with corners and
the way you hit, you're basically saying, we acknowledge the
fact that we know how good the athletes are on
the defensive side of the ball, and for that we
have to make the elements of what are considered and
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perceived to be safety procedures. But what you're really doing
is is that you're you're trying to even the playing
field so that the success rate goes up on what's
taking place on the offensive side of the ball. Be
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(27:31):
give me a hell yeah. Hey, By the way, Derek
Carr is on his way. Maybe he's already there, but
he's on his way to the Combine in Indianapolis to
talk with teams. How about that making it be known
he's looking for work. Yeah, it's it's very common. Actually,
a lot of people shouldn't be surprised when you run
into guys who are either a free agent or a
(27:53):
bow reddy hit free agency who happened to wind up
and bump into people Indianapolis. You know, it's just it's
just so weird how that works out. But yeah, that's
been going on for a long time. And I remember,
like as a player, when you're coming out of college
and into the draft, you're so unaware of really like
how big of a deal the Combine is for everyone
(28:15):
else but you It's it's actually about like all the
other business of the NFL. But you you know, whether
it's trades potentially for you know, before free agency or
the start of the new league year, or during the
draft for free agents, a lot of times their agents
are there negotiating with teams already kind of what those
deals are going to look like. You know, you look
(28:37):
at everything around the NFL and just the entire industry.
There's chiropractic conventions, there's athletic trainer conventions, there's strengthened performance
trainers who are all there with their athletes, but also
you know there for other you know, piece of equipment
and so forth. It is completely packed with every single
industry that touches the NFL. It is it's crazy. It
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really is crazy. And until you're able to go and
not kind of have those blinders on as an athlete,
you're you're fully not aware of it. They have. They
have a restaurant there that serves the best Long Island
iced tea and the largest variety of them. They have
an entire um chalkboard, a wall of chalkboards. Forget the
(29:23):
name of a place, man. They have the it wasn't
TGI Fridays though it was downtown and there they had
every every type of They had cherry Coke Long Islands,
they had Blue Blaze Long Islands. They had kiss your
Ass Goodbye Long Islands. They had Taxi cab home ride
Long Islands. They they had more Long Island variety. I
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wasn't having killy. And they have this bread that they
served there. It's like, uh, I don't know, it's like thing, well,
it's that that's their thing. Like it's this brid that
they served that's like legendary brid and you gotta eat
it there and it's hot and I think it has
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cheese and it's like mozzarella cheese bread or something like that.
I don't know anyway, Uh, you know what I was thinking.
The first thing I thought about when I heard Derek
Carr was, um, is he going to hang out with
Carson Wentz. I wonder if Carson Wentz still has a
piece of property there, because they probably be there kind
of looking for a gig together, right well, under under
(30:31):
different kinds of certain different circles. Derek cars on team too,
Carson Wentz is on Team four, so it feels like
we're in a different spot. But I'm just sad, But
maybe Carson Wentz can help him navigate what it feels
like to be, you know, in the situation that he's
in right now and he doesn't have to pay, you know,
for hotel room. The report is that for me and Rapp,
(30:53):
report of the NFL network is that the Panthers, Saints,
and Jets are set to meet with Derek Carr. I
thought I thought he already met with the Saints and
the Jets. Definitely met with the Saints, Yeah, and Jets
for Yeah, that's interesting. So so why is this even?
Maybe it's maybe the Jets and the Saints want to
see how he compares to the young guys that they're
(31:14):
going to be looking at. I mean, it's possibility, you know,
they may want to maybe they want to try to
solidify the deal and this is just that one last
time that they sit down and talk with them. And
weren't the Panthers didn't Frank Reich say last week that
they weren't ready to talk with Derek Carr. They weren't
ready to have that discussion. So I see a lot
of holes in this report. Yeah, done that up to me?
(31:37):
Maybe there's a surprise team that's in the market for
Derek Carr. Maybe that would that be Well, no, not Washington.
Daniel Snyder will be at the part. You know, there's
a team in the NFC South who was saying that
they really, really really liked their quarterback. Now they really
liked their quarterback, Little Desmond Ritter getting a lot of
(32:00):
love from the Atlanta Falcons that they're they're really high
on their quarterback, but they're not ready to name a
starting quarterback yet. You know, but they really like Desimriter.
They're just not ready to name a starter as of yet.
That was the according to many in the Atlanta area
talking about their situation at quarterback. It just makes me wonder.
I mean, you got a lot of talent there. You
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got Kyle Pitts, You've got Drake London. I mean they
got rid of our guy, Calvin Ridley. That's unfortunate, but
it feels like there are weapons there in Atlanta to
try and do some stuff on offense. Maybe Derek Carr
would take a look at Atlanta at that opportunity presented itself,
just saying that's also another team that's out there. Because
there's also a thought though that if there's any team
that's going to make a run and a trade for
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Lamar Jackson, that it's gonna be Atlanta, and so that
could be a potential team that's keeping close track on
what's happening in Baltimore and whether or not they end
up utilists of the franchise tag, which there will be
a deadline to designate the franchise. Trying to say Atlanta
specializes in Lamar jaltons. What you trying to stop my report?
(33:04):
All right, I'm not I'm not a writer. I could
send you the report if you'd like. This is just
I'm sorry. I'm the only one who actually reads sports.
Call you Readeez. I didn't know. I didn't know we could.
Q beats can't read. You know, we don't. We don't read. Yeah,
(33:25):
that's a good point. Yeah, I do audio books. What
do you think that that's the truth? You know, I
read the book while I listen to it. That's how
I expand my my vocabulary. True story. You read it
and listen to it. I read it while I listen
to it. Did that defeat the purpose? Though? Why try try?
(33:47):
But why didn't need a narrator? If you're narrating, you
should try it, I'm telling you. But you learn new
words that way. That's how I've I've expanded my vocabulary
through the years by listening to audio books because then
you know how to say the word, and like I'll
look it up and then I'll look at look up
the context and how it's used. Like it's it's pretty
(34:09):
interesting because you you can read a book, but you
might you might be reading it differently than what the
way it was written. So somebody who who does the
audio book, the people who wrote the book are going
to approve the audio version of the book. So then
whatever the context, the proper context of how you should
read it and and the pacing of it, you get
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it when you listen to it an audio book. Yeah,
there you go. I listened to the Bible, Um, James
Earl Jones. I listened to like I would read. I mean,
if there was any voice to sound like God, it
has to be James. Yeah. It's pretty dope. I mean,
that's so fitting. And they have a little bit of
music to it, Like you sit there and I fall
asleep on playing rides listening to it. That's that's how
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I read. I don't really read. I read it, but
I don't really read it. It's not my voice. I'm
just I'm looking at the word, and I'm hearing the
words being said. That's almost like having James Earl Jones
like nar narrate your life. That'd be pretty sweet. Could
you imagine that? And I would always feel like the
lion king if that was the case. Brady Quinn gets
(35:12):
up from out of bid. Yeah, everything you do is
like just majestic and rushes his teeth with teeth brushing ever,
and then he flushes the commode. That's right, with such
a grace and dominance. Then he put one leg into
the tight I'll go this, two legs into the tidy
white and then three And you know the worst part
(35:43):
about that is I was gonna take a knock at
Jonas and now I can't. No, I can't because I
just gave you a great compliment on the air. Yeah,
this real, that's how you do it, talking about I
was trying to go along with it. Hey, now that
we got called out on social media, now I'm like
(36:03):
aware of it now, Like, no, we really do we
really didn't around. Don't go back and listen to yesterday's show.
That's awesome. Yeah it was bad. Yeah, I got out
a line. It was a little bit sorry too. By
the way, whoever you are that wrote that and said it. Sorry,
trying to find our footing here post NFL season? What
do you want from us? The best we can try
(36:26):
to balance out? You know, Hey, so who's going to
get the franchise tag in Dallas? Is it gonna be
Tony Pollard or is it gonna be Dalton Schultz? What's
the Stephen Jones just talking about franchise tags and all
that stuff in Dallas transition, I just, you know, want
to pay off the tease formattox here. You know, I
think I don't know, you guys look at it, but
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I think Paulard is more important to the offense. And
the crazy thing is, if thinking about Zeke's cap number,
if they keep him on the roster because they don't
really have to him and pull would combine would have
to be the highest number cap number we've ever seen
for a running back room, at least in recent history.
It just it seems like that those numbers are astronomical
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for one year, which makes you think they'd be more
willing to move on from Zeke, even though it doesn't
seem like Jerry Jones or Steven Jones would want two.
But that would be who I'd use it on and
it's it's no disrespect that Dalton Schultz is. Just the
reality is, you know, even though his tag numbers a
little lower, I think you try to get a long
term deal done with them. If you can't, you can
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go find another one. This is a good draft class
for tight ends two where they could draft them and
replace them. You can't. I mean, if you bring back Zeke,
you have to bring him back in a lower number, right.
There has to be some restructuring, isn't there, Like I
can't imagin Yeah, you'd think to create some more cap space,
but the problem is, you know, then you're giving them
cash upfront, and so he would have to be probably
taking a pay cut, even though what she'd be fine
(37:54):
to do, yeah, I do not even on the back end.
Just overall, he's probably not gonna make us much as
he was originally scheduled to make, but he would get
more money guaranteed up front or correct in the in
the short term, correct, Yeah, yeah, because otherwise there wouldn't
be any reason for him to restructure, Like you just
ride it out, like y'all just gotta cut me. If
it was any other team, don't you think they would
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just walk away from him. At this point, it feels
like Dallas wants to hold on because they want to
try and they realized they got it fleeced in the
negotiations and there's this loyalty to head. They've given out
How many big contracts over the last three four years?
How many big contracts Dakum was DeMarcus Lawrence before Zeke
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or after? But is that a really like is that
a really really big contract? At the time it was
you get like ninety million or something. I would say
the two biggest contracts that they've done has been Zeke
and dak Yeah, now which one have you gotten a
tremendous ROI off of? I don't know that you would
say for the money that you spent, would you say
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you've you're justified? And what it is is that that
you spent if your Dallas or are you having buyer's
remorse for both of those contracts? And you're gonna want
to get MICA's deal done? His deal done? What's he
gonna get paid? Yeah, Mica, you got CD LAMB coming up,
all these guys, you're gonna have to figure that out. Yeah,
(39:18):
they're in a tough spot there to keep them all together,
and their window is interesting, which to say is was
their window open to begin with would probably be the
better debate, right, you know, I also think that's a
team though, and this might sound controversial, but as they
look at like the nucleus of players that they are paying,
(39:40):
like a Cede Lamb, there's no doubt extend them like
a Parson's no doubt extend them absolutely. Um. You could
probably go through a few other players in the roster
and you say, hey, those guys are gonna get extended.
A diggiezeal on the insides played well yeah, yeah, Um.
You might sit there and say, well, it'd be a
lot easier to extend them if we were on a
rookie quarterback contract. And that's where it leads you to
think like maybe it's it's you know, in the next
(40:04):
year or two, they're gonna have to make that decision
on Dak because they could start over draft a quarterback
and then allow themselves to have these talented players around
what could be one of the more talented quarterbacks coming
out of draft. It'd be interesting to see if Dallas
would position themselves to do so, if if they had
a season that allowed them to be in that spot.
The defense seems to be if they hold their defense together.
(40:27):
You know, we didn't mention digs. I mean, if they
hold their defense together, they're gonna be They're gonna be.
What was that? What's that? Uh? Finley just walked by
and it kind of threw off my concentration. They made
a hand gesture and I didn't really know what it
(40:48):
was hand gesture it was it was, oh, man, stopped
you dead in your trash. I felt uncomfortable, but I
got to regain myself composure here. Uh yeah, So I
(41:09):
just I've said the biggest question mark has been has
been what you have going on on the offensive side?
What do you what do you have going on with
your offensive line? You know, how's that going to to fear?
What are you going to do as it applies to
your your backfield? How is that going to play out?
(41:30):
What are you going to do at your quarterback position?
How is that going to play I was going to
mention something. It's almost you almost wish that Mike McCarthy,
like if there was like another quarterback in the league
who could be on the move that he's got a
history with or something. You know, I just wondering didn't
they end on bad terms? Though we're talking about they
were very friendly when they last saw each other, I
(41:51):
feel like they ended on bad terms. Man, almost like
Aaron Rodgers was the reason why Mike McCarthy lost his
job in Green Bay. Like that's what I felt, That's
what I taught a Super Bowl together, they definitely did,
but I felt like the milk went bad at some
point between them. Though, you know, I don't know. I mean,
maybe you're right. I don't know. And listen, we're probably
(42:15):
gonna get some manses as a Tuesday at some point
on The Pat McAfee Show, starring aj Hall, as his
eyes readjusted to being in light now by now no
good question, Yeah, curious as he adjusted to regular society
by now as he reacclimate it. I don't know, we'll
find out, okay, starring aj Hawk. Nice. I just want
(42:37):
to point that out. Hey, hey, hey, Aaron, just tell
him nothing, nothing happened. Just tell him nothing. I'm good,
nothing happened. We're all good here. H And by the ways,
the LB rat right there, nothing happened. And we're just
a couple of months away from AJ Hawk's hopeful appearance
on this show because he's going to break down the
Kentucky Derby is a Kentucky Derby and are we going?
(43:00):
Are we going? I would love? I got business? Good question,
I got business. There would love too. What date is
the Kentucky Derby? Can you look that uply? Just uh
get some confirmation on that. Let's go usually first weekend
in May May sixth? May sixth, Okay, right after Sinko
to Mayo could be a problem. Just saying why they
(43:21):
just could be a problem. Let's do Let's do Sinco
de Mayo and Kentucky. Yeah, a lot of options out.
I mean we'd be doing Sinko de Mayo again on
the sixth too. They do Sinko de Mayo at at
the Kentucky Derby, do they? Whoa? Oh? I mean you go?
I mean we If we went with Q we would
definitely be an a dope spot so we wouldn't have
(43:43):
to pay for the drinks. I can confirm, jermyn what
a Saturday? Yeah? Oh, can't make it. H We'll see
can you make it? Oh? I put that together? Okay,
well you know no, no, I actually have class. Yeah, yeah, okay,
what was the topic for Let's get back on topic,
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