March 14, 2023 • 38 mins
The legal tampering period is open, an agent’s favorite time of the year. The guys discuss the proposed rule changes in the NFL. Plus, another edition of “Would You Rather…?”
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tire buying should be. So would you say yesterday and
I would say this week is an NFL agent's favorite
time of the year to just be truthful and honest
about the length and terms of these contracts that are
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handed out. I mean, this is life changing stuff here
and everything we see, all the reports, all of that
is accurate correct as far as agents go, and what
is out there? What's that? Yeah, just you know, like
so of the terms, like the length of these four
year deals, these five year deals. Do you remember what
Gino Smith's was announced as a three year, one hundred
and five million dollar deal. Well, yeah, come to find
out we're thirty million off. I mean that's pretty significant.
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That is significant, Like a three year seventy five million
dollar deal versus three year, one hundred five million dollars deal.
That hits different to everyone, like to the player obviously
the agent, but even the team they're like, wait, what
one hundred and five we didn't sign him to that?
I mean that was what was reported, Like you can
Google search that that's not I mean, this is this
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stuff happens all the time, and even more than that,
like just look at the guarantees. It's signing. That's usually
how this works. And the total guarantees, there's probably a
portion that's you know, in there for injury only, which
means if the player gets to a certain point after
a year or two, those guarantees aren't guarantees to him.
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You know, the team can move on. And this is
that time of year where agents will blow up everyone
in the media to report these deals and a year
or two from now, some of these players are not
even on these teams. Yet we're you know, lauding them
as big signings and it's going to change the course
of this organization. It happens every single year. You have
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to think about this. Logically, if you have a player
that you don't want to leave, you are extending him
or you're gonna attack him and trying to buy more
time to find a way of extending him. You are
not letting him get to free agency if he means
that much to your team. So that's a tough part
I have, and you're always looking at these things. They
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pulled a plug on Geno Smith in a heartbeat, like
just know that, like super quickly, they'll pull it on
Geno it ain't working out, He ain't he gonna like
that's gonna be a quick one if he doesn't continue
to play at a high level and then for what
it's worth. I mean, maybe that's how it's supposed to be.
You know, at this point in somebody's career that you
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know that's where he's at. But in terms of where
things are with free agency and how things are being handled,
I feel like there's like an interesting This year was
a more interesting approach with the whole franchise tag because
to me, I feel like, if you don't want to
let a guy go, I'm on the same page as
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you don't let them hit free agency. But if we
haven't gotten a deal done yet and I want this
guy on my team, I'm giving you an exclusive franchise tag.
I don't even want anyone to feel as though they can,
you know, whine and dine you and take you out
and show you that they can perform better than I can. Like,
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I don't want you to perform better than me. I don't.
I don't want you to show them a better time.
I don't want them to know that there's better out there.
You know, when you're about to be left the one
thing that a person will say to you, You'll never
find somebody out of love you the way that I did. Like,
that's always what people say, what their parting words, and
then more often than not they probably do, you know,
And it's like kind of like for me, this has
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just been interesting how many people got the non exclusive
franchise tag. And I know, like all the conversations surrounding
you know, if it's collusion and all this other stuff
that's going on with some of the players that are
out there. But I've kind of taken a like a
little bit, I guess a different angle on how I'm
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looking at it. I think these and such a new
age of how things are being done and looking at
other sports and how they handle things, it's almost like
if I'm looking at it and I'm the NFL, I'm like, look, man,
we've done We've done the most ridiculous, amazing thing ever,
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which is we have set a standard in a precedence
where we don't guarantee contracts like nobody else is doing that,
you know, if it's basketball, Like you look at all
of these conversations about load management, Well da da da
da da da da. Well you know what basketball players.
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You know, you listen to what Charles Barkley had to
say and other guys, and they're talking about load management.
These contracts are guaranteed and the numbers are astronomically high.
So your motivation is what it is like if you
want to self preserve yourself, if you don't feel like
going out and playing seventy some games a year, you're
not gonna do it. And it's because you can't do
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anything about it. Like when loser draws, like our team
is losing, we need you this that another. I don't care.
I'm not playing. I'm done for tonight, like I'm done
for this week, Like I'm not doing this game. Like
my knee is a little sore. You know. People was
like we talked so many times about how athletes like
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persevere and do so many different things. More often than not,
we're persevering and we're pushing through because we're trying. We're
ultimately seeking the ultimate reward of what it is that
we're doing, which is getting paid for what we do. Oh,
this guy's jaw is broken, he's gonna play. This guy's nose,
his nose is broken, He's gonna play. He's got torn
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Cartler's Look, he came back, his toe is broke, he's
gonna play. And you played because you to keep your job.
You didn't want to lose your job, and you wanted
to get paid. It's different now and and this, this
approach to the non exclusive franchise tag, I just wonder,
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it's I just wonder if they're doing this now in
a in a in an attempt to basically like, look,
it's not gonna be better somewhere else, and if it is,
it's still not what you think it's going to be.
It's like almost like, let's do it this way so
we can let it play out in a public court
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of of opinion where you say, listen, you could have
the whatever whatever opinion you want to have, but this
is what it's going to be. It's not going to
go beyond this. And we're taking our stand right here.
And I wonder if I just wonder moving forward, you know,
you got Burrow coming up, you got you got Herbert
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coming up, you got you got all these guys coming up, Like,
what what does the future look like in terms of
how contracts are going to be done? Do you theyre
going to be unexclusive, non exclusive, franchise tag players. Do
you guys remember the first time you had a negotiation
or a contract in the NFL where he said, oh,
it's like that, okay, like to where the terms were
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maybe not everything that you thought they were going to be,
or a team tried to short you on this, or
a negotiation got you know who you're talking to about
a contract going wrong. I'm I'm probably in the top
five of contracts going wrong in the National Football League. Well,
what does Elvis duomerfield in the fax Machine? Oh? Yeah,
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that was bad too. That was an interesting one. Yeah,
that was a six point five million dollar bone the
roster bone is missing and them saying that it was
never there and that taking my average down the way
that it did is that's as bad as it gets,
and it is what it is. So yes, I have
had that moments like I don't know, that's why what
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I see the deals that are handed out yesterday and
then you like do you search, you know, digging deep
enough on like the Geno Smith contract and it's only
a one year deal. I just go man like, like
what are like, how do those teams present the terms
of this? And trying like, oh, you know, listen, it's
a three year deal. We're gonna give you this then
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and we can get out of it after a year.
But don't worry about it. We got this on the
back end. I just wonder, like, did they fast talk
you to try and skip past all the other fine
print that is the reality of the situation or is it? Hey,
it's all love, everything's good to go, and is what
we're going to give you? Yeah? Yeah, I mean for
some guys, this is what we're going to give you,
like and if you continue to play well, like he's
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only played one good year with the Seattle Seahawks, why
would they Why would they go out of their way
to give a crazy ass contract to a You're not
sure if this was a Cinderella situation and the pumpkin
goes back at midnight, or he actually can be your
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long I don't think anybody's looking at him as a
foregone conclusion. He's your long term solusion. The toughest part
about this is, you know, for him, he's played so
long at this point. I mean, he's thirty three years
old and he has his best season at thirty two,
and so is anyone out there gonna look at him
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say Okay, like we really want to invest into him
to be our long term starter. Well, you know, the
reality is long term at this point in time in
his career isn't that long, and especially considering his track record.
So the problem is he's got to have another year.
Where's another prove it here? So he signs a three
year deal. It's essentially a one year deal with two
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years throwing the back end of it, and he has
to go out and prove it again. Now the issue
with it is if he does, which you know, theorization
giving an extension. It looks good on the outside. The
reality is they're like, yeah, we have team control. Now,
they can trade him, they can restructure it, give him
a little bit more, but there's no ties to him.
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I mean, his cap hits the next two First off,
his cap hit this year is only ten million because
he got a signing bonus obviously to go along with
this deal, which helps limit the impact on the actual
salary cap. But the next two seasons, like they can
move on from him. There's really no ties. I mean,
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the set the dead cap hits pretty insignificant. But the
problem is, like what organization is going to say, oh yeah,
at this age, we're going to invest heavily into him.
I mean, rich Gannon is one of the first that
comes to mind that I believe one NFL MVP of
what thirty thirty one and at that point, like his
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career wasn't as established, but he was able to do
it that year with the Raiders, and Bert could probab
chime in on this. I believe he was what thirty
thirty one Burdo, and I just I remember always hearing that,
like that's what they would tell quarterbacks, like if you
haven't just think of rich Gannon, you could be the
guy to hit it at this point in time in
your career, and you're like, dude, no team's going to
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invest into a quarterback who has taken this long to
establish himself. That just doesn't happen. Like they've moved on.
You get a first impression in the NFL, and after
that they've forgotten about you. Like the whole Geno Smith
conversation of a man like whatever I always said, they
wrote something and right back however he phrased it, it's like, well, well, yeah,
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you got into your thirties and people just kind of
looked at you an entirely different way, and then you
have this outlier year and they go, we'll wait a second,
maybe we miss something here, but they want to see
you do it again. And they're gonna want to see
him do it again. Like the truth of the matter
is he's gonna have to earn every single year of
being a starter for the rest of his career if
he's going to prove to them that he's a franchise starter.
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That's how Seattle's gonna make him do that, and every
other team's gonna make him do him was thirty seven seven,
He's how about that Blue, I'm a rich cannon at
thirty seven. Yeah, but that's what you're talking right you.
You you are on a prove it like you're on
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improve it. So he won the MVP at thirty seven,
but he he became a Pro Bowl caliber player at
thirty four. Yeah, Like you're essentially looking at like him
and Gino Smith in a very similar light where he
played football before he got to that point and it
never really became like the guy that you looked at
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and said, oh, he can help our team potentially go
win a Super Bowl. He got to Oakland and you
know the first season was a five hundred season, but
after that they started to light it up. He becomes
the MVP at age thirty seven, and and and that's
and that's what like the story you're trying to tell here.
And so he's gonna have to string together so really
really good football, but he has to earn it every
sing every year. Ye, every game in fact, every game. Yeah,
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And that's just that's the reality of it, because there's
still in a position a draft got to replace something.
And by the way, the Draymond Jones signing in Seattle
kind of some tea leaves into what they're may be thinking. Like, now,
I look at that first round pick at five, and
I think they either are looking to trade back or
they might be looking at saying we'll take the best
defender available, which will probably be an edge player Will Anderson,
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Tybree Wilson, who everyone is throwing that conversation. But even
that signing kind of leads me to think, Okay, they're
probably looking at that pick differently than how we're looking
at that pick on the outside, because we were talking like, well, shoot,
Seattle could end up with Jalen Carter, you know, and
they still have another first round pick that they could
take a quarterback of one slides. Now you look at
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and say when it signed Jalen Carter, But it's probably
gonna another defensive player if they stay put and the
market is spoken on Jalen Carter. I mean, I know
I wasn't in to talk about, you know them the
beer is trading out of the number one draft pick.
But the market is spoken and there's a team, a
team like you did talk about it though last year
you talked about didn't you. I talked about them probably
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not needing to trade out of the number one pick. No,
I think you talk well, y'all had this cute to
have the number one draft pick. They haven't had it,
and I don't know if they've ever had it or ever.
I just don't see them trading out of it. I
think they'll take the best player available and they don't
need a quarterback, so they're going to probably take Carter
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at number one. I mean, I don't know why the
market is spoken. Why do they got to air you
out like that? I mean, you come back and they
got to air you out like that. Also, all that
all that SoundBite says is I should be the GM
for the Chicago Bears that's all that says, like, you
take they're not good enough to just be trading. I
know everybody's excited. All they brought in Robbie Anderson and
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they're this, and they're gonna be They're gonna be DJ
who even cares, Yeah, exactly, They're going to be the
same exact team they were this year. Best take the
same exact play. Take a player that can change the
fortunes of your franchise. You know, you got the number
one pick, you haven't had the pick in ever, and
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you trade out of it. Here's the hard part about
the history of that with the Bears, not that they
had the number one pick when they took Tommy Harris,
but Tommy Harris was an unbelievable d tackle right he
got hurt and he kind of never came back as
the same player. I mean, Jonas, I know you're a
Bears fancy. I was at the game he suffered the
injury against Mark Colombo and the Cowboys. I was at
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that game. I mean, ultimately, what they have to do
and need to do is see if they've got a
quarterback in fields like they are now in the position
of what the Dolphins were in, were the Dolphins brought
in Tyree Hill and they said, okay, like, let's see
if you can be the guy for a year. They
obviously like the progress they saw in fields, and they're like,
if we can get him more weapons. They now got
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DJ Moore, they have Darnell Mooney, they have Chase Claypool,
They've got Cole Comet, and then if we get more picks,
del build up the offensive line, help help on defense.
Obviously by the way they're paying out linebackers left and right, yes,
they did, so they're trying to They're trying to build
out the defense. But if they could take that ninth
pick and roll it into you know, one of you know,
a number of different either cornerback or potentially an edge rusher,
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which there's definitely some capable ones sitting up there at
the top or than top ten, I think it's a
good move for them. I think that's where they're at there.
Their roster is so devoid a talent. They need help everywhere.
And look they're they're trying to get that done. It's
much easier said than done. And what offseason isn't going
to change the entire thing. I'll say this, the market
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has now spoken on Jaylen Carter because now you look
at the draft order. If you look at the draft order,
where does he now go high? Well, as it stands,
let somebody trade Arizona sitting at three. Okay, three, but
Arizona is already. Albert Brier had a column the yeah
that that Arizona is the other teams. The market has
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nothing to do with Jalen Carter. What it has to
do with quarterbacks. I mean you and I both know,
like it's every team's trying to solve that solution, and
that's that's what they're that that's what may happen. Like
if you see quarterbacks go one, two, three, to me,
it's not an indictment on Jaalen Carter. It's it's more
of an indictment on the franchises that are trading up
saying we're desperate, we need to solve this problem. We
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think these prospects are guys that can come be the
franchise quarterback. Yes, but that is the market though, because
to me, if you have the number one rated guy,
supposedly it's not a quarterback, I don't that's correct. Like
even if it's a Hall of Famer d tackle, there
you're gonna look at him and say, yeah, but like
that's only gonna help us so much, like we we
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need to have a quarterback if we don't have one,
and that's always gonna it's a weighted average, it's always
gonna be more valuable. Yeah, But if you have a
for sure guy at a different position, he's going number one.
He's going number one. I'm telling you that that's any
year that there there has been that it's been a
team drafting that doesn't need a quarterback. If there's a
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team that's drafting number one and needs a quarterback, they're
they're not taking another guy just because he's the number
one overall prospect. No, get what you're saying. But what
I'm again when I say the market is spoken on
j Lin Carter. He's not up. He's for for the
Bears to not need a quarterback and them to trade
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out and not take him. It says that we don't
need him, or we can go into different directions and
other teams willing to trade up and give us, you know,
considerable draft cop and and compensations for what we need.
So we're we're willing to trade out of it. The student,
I don't think they're good. I don't think they're not good.
The story is the Bears felt like there were seven
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blue chip prospects in this draft. They need talent everywhere
on the roster, and they felt like, as long as
they can still stay within ra they're gonna get a
guy that's going to be an impact. They're not going
to get Jalen Carter. Now, who knows he could draft?
Who knows. We don't know what's gonna happen. And that
mean clearly I don't and they could also probably they
might be able to move up as well too. I
mean they got extra draft capital, they can move up
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with Seattle at five of he sitting there. So again
I don't know. I mean maybe I'm biased because I
went through it and I saw it and there were
a lot of good quarterbacks. In high of fact, they're
the greatest quarterback ever was a player was in our draft?
Like there wasn't a quarterback taken. I don't know who
was even the first quarterback taken. I don't even know.
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But the bottom line is, again I'm looking through the
history of of the draft. I mean, if there's a
guy that that is a guy at the position, he's
going game. Now get John Carter went what number two
over he could number one? He went number one. Yeah,
I mean it's a different back. Drafting back, yeah, no
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drafting that. No one's looking at any other position because
and that's why you see it's quarterbacks. It's gonna be
edge rushers, it's gonna be cornerbacks, it's gonna be tackles,
it's gonna be wide receivers. Yeah. I mean that's primarily
the first round honestly, as going to be an edge
or a tackle or a quarterback. Like that's it. Edge, edge,
quarterback and a tackle. Well you'll see cornerbacks and wide
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receivers too. Not number one, no, no, not number one,
not number one, but but you'll see it. I mean, hell,
we had Calvin Johnson number two back and that was
you know, fifteen years ago, sixteen years ago, whatever it is,
went number one. But I'm just saying, like, what will
never change? Edge tackle, quarterback that's number one. Yeah, and
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conditions apply. So several teams have put together some proposals,
some rule change for posals for twenty twenty three. Who
like them? All? Right? A couple I'm on board with,
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like Philadelphia wants to permit the use of zero as
a jersey number and also to allow kickers and punters
to use any jersey number between zero forty nine and
ninety and ninety nine. Hell yeah, let's do it seriously
or they just doing that because Howie Roseman was doing
a shot at Tequilo when Jason Kelsey announced he was
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returning yesterday? Is that what that was? And he said,
all right, we'll throw this together, you know, and they
were probably in the office together. How about that him
doing a shot at tequila when Jason Kelsey announceds you're
going to return. The guy's a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Kelse has been awesome. Yeah yeah. I mean when you
think about the mass exodus and this roster has had
um and we'll have right T Edwards is gone, you're
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probably gonna see almost the entire secondary Mike Epps, James Bradberry,
Chauncey Gardner, Johnson. It looks like Darius Slay wants to
be wants to be traded elsewhere. Um, that's what we
talking about. Javon Hargrave, who already signed on San Francisco. Yeah,
by the way, the Niners gonna have money for Bosa. Like,
what's like they got they have money for Bosa. I
mean it sounds more like an indictment on Javon kin Law.
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He's only played ten games the past two years, hasn't
really had the impact they were hoping for as a
first round pick out of South Carolina. So look, it
was a whole. It was a spot that they need
to fill the next Eric Armstead, and now they got
the opportunity to do it. So that's a team that
they have enough you know, cash to be able to
you know, fit Javon Hargraves into the equation along with
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Nick Bosa. But the windows now and and and in
part two because of Trey Lance, which you know they've
got to make a decision on him. But that's one
that I think it's going to play itself out for
a while where you'll see them pick up the fifth
year option, and you know they could be under that
for a decent amount of time. Now you want to
hear the other Philadelphia proposal. Sure, this one's fine, let's
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hear all right. So you know how the on site
kicks just a giant waste of time, waste of time. Well,
like you know the XFL and USFL and aaf of
all trey to offset that and say, well, you know,
instead of the on site kick, what about this fourth
and fifteen play was thrown out a couple of years ago. Well,
the Eagles would like to put together a fourth and
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twenty as opposed to an onside kick, to where you
have a fourth and twenty one play from the kicking
team's twenty yard line and that would be your onside
kickoff attempt. So if the onside kick is already just
a formality because it's so rare anybody actually converts an
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onside kick, why not if you got a fourth and twenty.
I don't know how many fourth and twenty plays are
in a playbook, but to me, you give options and
it makes it a more exciting play. If Roger Goodell
is all about we need to move the extra point
back to create a more exciting play. To me, there
would be nothing more exciting as opposed to an onside
kick than a fourth and twenty and just going for
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it and see if you can pick up that twenty
yards and get that first down. I mean, but we're
on the field. Are you doing it? From the kicking
teams twenty? The kicking teams twenty, here's what I don't
like about it. I think they got the yard line wrong.
I don't mind them doing a fourth in twenty. I'm
sure they've got the data to support that there's an
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easier chance of converting a fourth in twenty. I'm assuming
they're including you know, personal foul penalties, pass interference, those
sorts of things. But I'm assuming they're including that, and
so it's gonna be a slight uptick from recovering an
outside kick. I think personally though, from the twenty yard line,
the tough thing is if you don't get it, the
game's over because the other team's gonna be in a
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position to make it a two score game. Let's just
say you're down by a touchdown. That's where I think
they've gotten this wrong. They need to make it where
it's like, okay, it's at the thirty five or four
something like that, where and you might say, well, that's
too helpful. But at least in the event they don't
get it, you know, your defense has a chance to
go out and maybe force a longer field goal that's
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not a chip shot or a gimme. Like that's mine
only issue with putting it. You know, at the kicking
teams twenty to do a fourth and twenty desperation play,
I think you need to back it up a little bit.
But yeah, because if you don't get it, it's really over.
That's what I'm saying. Like it's like you're putting all
your eggs in that basket right right now. If you're
kick an on side kick and don't get it. I mean,
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if you have some timeouts and stuff, you might be
able to get a stop and force either a punt
or like a long field goal. But it's not like
you're not in a position where it's that makeable. You know,
you're on twenty. Like that's you're basically saying, all, right now,
the game is over. I say, if you elect to
do since we're coming up with ideas of it or
variations if you choose elect to do an aside or
(27:39):
they turned it into you're you're going to go for it,
and it's a fourth and twenty. I think you should
be on the twenty of the receiving team and be
in position to score. But if you if you don't
get it, you go to the kicking teams twenty and
you get the ball. If you don't get it, I see,
I think that's like too helpful, especially with pass interference
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the way they call it nowadays, Like you throw one
ball in the end zone, defense gets called for DPI,
the balls on the two. The game's completely flipped. I
mean I would almost I might almost actually do that
just in like the second quarter. I mean, that's an entertainment.
That's that's entertainment value to me. If I mean after
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this past Super Bowl, I mean, listen, if you grab him,
you grab them. If you if you're gonna cover them,
you're gonna cover them. If you're gonna get a PI,
you're gonna get a PR. But if I'm gonna go
for it, it's four fint twenty, which means that you
have got to get the ball in the end zone
or you've got to get a you know, get a penalty.
So the other teams that put together, because I think
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the Detroit Lions clearly had an agenda here when putting
together these proposals. Here are the three proposals from the Lions,
and tell me if you find a common theme here.
All right, a proposal Number one, they would like to
expand the coach's challenge system to include personal fouls called
on the field. Number two that I don't mind that.
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Number two they would like to provide clubs more opportunities
for a third challenge. And number three to expand the
replay officials jurisdiction to allow for consultation regarding penalty assessment.
I'm guessing they're probably not big fans of how the
officiating has gone when it comes to challenges couple of years.
So maybe Dan Campbell said, all right, can we can
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we at least have I agree with you? By the way,
on the personal fouls, there was a ton of personal
fouls that were to me at best questionable at best,
and they're so punitive that why why not have an
opportunity to look at it and say, all right, is
that really worth what we've seen? I mean, if you're
swatting through a guy's arm and you hit the quarterback
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and you glance his head swatting to try to get
to the ball, and that's a personal foul. I mean,
that's you know, I know the rules are the rules,
but god dang, like you know, some of it is
kind of I don't know. We're almost getting to the
college football review of targeting, which, like again, college football
does such a better job of implementing replay into the
(30:08):
game where they're not slowing it down to the extent
that the NFL does, and out of any replay review,
it's just acidinine that they're I don't know if it's
too proud or this is the NFL. It's not college
amateur sport. I'm not sure what the hold up is.
And I know people who watch college and NFL, they'll say, well,
college games are longer. Well they're actually you know, adjusting
(30:30):
that now with the clocks this offseason. As soon as
they take away a stop clock at a game first down,
you're gonna say a drastic difference in the length of
those games, considering how much offensive football, you know, college
football has become. But you know, I actually read through these,
so if you look at like what they're asking as
far as getting additional challenge, they're proposed that you just
(30:51):
have to get one challenge right and you get an
additional one. Look, I think two are good enough. We
don't see coaches use both in any given game as
it is. You know, maybe they'd be more apt to
use it if you could review, for example, a personal foul.
To me, the issue with that is is the NFL
could do exactly what they did when they made defensive
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pass interference an offensive pass interference reviewable. They would just
squash it by saying, yeah, we're just not going to
overturn it, so you can go ahead and review it.
But we're gonna be telling our replay officials you're not
gonna you're not gonna overturn it. So we go back,
we see the call in the field, it's either a call.
It's either a call or no call, and you can
review it and there's really not gonna be a chance
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rather your rare topics, sports or otherwise? All right, lead
to lap? What do we got guys? Would you rather
we're talking a lot of Aaron Rodgers. Would you rather
be in a hole for four days? Dark room with
Aaron Rodgers four days? Or do an Ayahuaska trip with
Aaron Rodgers? Well, isn't that one in the same lea? Well? No,
(33:25):
an Ayahuaska trips only about a day. Yeah, he doing
that whole thing with no auaca. No it was in
the hole. No, no drugs in the hole. Um, I'll
go underground because I don't want to do drugs and
not be aware of what's happening around me, even for
a day. I'll take my chances sober with a bunch
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of golfers and earthworms and Aaron Rodgers underground for four days.
You know, I don't I don't want to participate in
any of itpcity I mean an option. Yeah, that's not
an option. I'm backing into the fern or the bush.
Just I'm getting out of it it, so I'm gonna take
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the segment off. You're out. I don't like how it started,
all right, I guess we always have a sea then, right,
I'd rather not do either, all right, except would you
rather I'd rather not? Yeah? Yeah, no, well then I'm
with rather not on that one as well. I would
rather not do any of them. But if I had,
(34:33):
you would rather be in this movie right now? Yeah?
Which would you rather do? I would go with the
uh it's I would go with the ayahuasca. There's there's
a stunner. Yeah, I try that. Yeah, that's a stunner.
You Todd and Aaron doing hyahuasca. That'd be fun. That
would be Would Todd be there? I'm sure he would would?
(34:56):
Would you have Rogers autograph your packers? What do they
called the crocs? Your packers crocs that Todd got you?
Would you have Rogers autograph those? For sure? Yeah? I'll
take that. Yeah. Are you with Todd? Best friends? Yeah? Yeah, definitely,
you know, I don't know. That's a weird question. I
don't know if you if you still say best friends
these days? Like when do you stop saying best friends? Yeah?
(35:19):
Stress a good question yeah, I still say best friend.
Yeah yeah, I still use it. Yeah, yeah, me too.
What else, guys, would you rather lose your Internet or
your Central Air and heat? Oh? Internet, give me a break? Yeah,
definitely Internet. You still got you know data? Da oh
(35:44):
no data? No, so you lose your internet, phone and everything?
What we get hit by an MP what's happened? Exactly?
No Internet. You can't access the Internet. So if you
can't access the Internet, you're saying you have no type
of connection at all, no connectivity. You can't call someone
on a phone, That's what I'm saying. No, you can
call the phone. You just don't have ad to the
Worldwide Web. But you have data. Give me the I
(36:06):
can get. I can get the web all my data. No,
you know you cannot naked, not with the Rather, he's
making the rules, all right, all right, Yeah, we need
to think these out a little bit. I thought it out.
You guys, good questions. I don't care. I'll take away
your phone if you want. Here, Jonas, that's well, I'm
just saying I don't care if I lose either. I mean,
(36:28):
because I adapt well in the elements. So whatever mother
nature hasn't planned for me, I'm gonna just adapt well
to it. That's the way I operate, kid. I ask
for this though, for Lavara's sake. So there was a
time when Jonas was doing shows I think out of
his garage, which did not have any air conditioning, my
mom's garage. He smelled awful. I did, like, absolutely, you
(36:49):
could stroll him through the speaker, that's all. They weren't.
For Lavara's sake, I think you should claim to one
ac not good. Go on, noice smells are I mean,
I don't. I don't breathe. I'm so used to, like
diapers and stuff like that through the course of my time.
I actually started breathing through my mouth a really really
(37:12):
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And in comparison to what they brew up every morning
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when I go in there and try to smell what's
going on in there, it's just a whole lot of difference.
Since man, yeah, I'd wanted the chamber for you guys,
and then I came in. It was like a deep conversation.
I was like, oh man, I'm so glad, thank you goodness,
(37:34):
come on, Lee let it fly? Who care? All right?
What else? You got? One more? Yeah? Sure? One more? Here?
Would you rather pass out at nine thirty pm every
night or three thirty am? No in between? You'd have
to fall asleep at nine thirty eight pm or three
thirty am? Which one I want to PM's that's probably
(37:56):
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I like it up early. Yeah all right, I like
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tire buying should be. So would you say yesterday and
I would say this week is an NFL agent's favorite
time of the year to just be truthful and honest
about the length and terms of these contracts that are
(01:24):
handed out. I mean, this is life changing stuff here
and everything we see, all the reports, all of that
is accurate correct as far as agents go, and what
is out there? What's that? Yeah, just you know, like
so of the terms, like the length of these four
year deals, these five year deals. Do you remember what
Gino Smith's was announced as a three year, one hundred
and five million dollar deal. Well, yeah, come to find
out we're thirty million off. I mean that's pretty significant.
(01:49):
That is significant, Like a three year seventy five million
dollar deal versus three year, one hundred five million dollars deal.
That hits different to everyone, like to the player obviously
the agent, but even the team they're like, wait, what
one hundred and five we didn't sign him to that?
I mean that was what was reported, Like you can
Google search that that's not I mean, this is this
(02:11):
stuff happens all the time, and even more than that,
like just look at the guarantees. It's signing. That's usually
how this works. And the total guarantees, there's probably a
portion that's you know, in there for injury only, which
means if the player gets to a certain point after
a year or two, those guarantees aren't guarantees to him.
(02:31):
You know, the team can move on. And this is
that time of year where agents will blow up everyone
in the media to report these deals and a year
or two from now, some of these players are not
even on these teams. Yet we're you know, lauding them
as big signings and it's going to change the course
of this organization. It happens every single year. You have
(02:52):
to think about this. Logically, if you have a player
that you don't want to leave, you are extending him
or you're gonna attack him and trying to buy more
time to find a way of extending him. You are
not letting him get to free agency if he means
that much to your team. So that's a tough part
I have, and you're always looking at these things. They
(03:14):
pulled a plug on Geno Smith in a heartbeat, like
just know that, like super quickly, they'll pull it on
Geno it ain't working out, He ain't he gonna like
that's gonna be a quick one if he doesn't continue
to play at a high level and then for what
it's worth. I mean, maybe that's how it's supposed to be.
You know, at this point in somebody's career that you
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know that's where he's at. But in terms of where
things are with free agency and how things are being handled,
I feel like there's like an interesting This year was
a more interesting approach with the whole franchise tag because
to me, I feel like, if you don't want to
let a guy go, I'm on the same page as
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you don't let them hit free agency. But if we
haven't gotten a deal done yet and I want this
guy on my team, I'm giving you an exclusive franchise tag.
I don't even want anyone to feel as though they can,
you know, whine and dine you and take you out
and show you that they can perform better than I can. Like,
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I don't want you to perform better than me. I don't.
I don't want you to show them a better time.
I don't want them to know that there's better out there.
You know, when you're about to be left the one
thing that a person will say to you, You'll never
find somebody out of love you the way that I did. Like,
that's always what people say, what their parting words, and
then more often than not they probably do, you know,
And it's like kind of like for me, this has
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just been interesting how many people got the non exclusive
franchise tag. And I know, like all the conversations surrounding
you know, if it's collusion and all this other stuff
that's going on with some of the players that are
out there. But I've kind of taken a like a
little bit, I guess a different angle on how I'm
(05:06):
looking at it. I think these and such a new
age of how things are being done and looking at
other sports and how they handle things, it's almost like
if I'm looking at it and I'm the NFL, I'm like, look, man,
we've done We've done the most ridiculous, amazing thing ever,
(05:27):
which is we have set a standard in a precedence
where we don't guarantee contracts like nobody else is doing that,
you know, if it's basketball, Like you look at all
of these conversations about load management, Well da da da
da da da da. Well you know what basketball players.
(05:47):
You know, you listen to what Charles Barkley had to
say and other guys, and they're talking about load management.
These contracts are guaranteed and the numbers are astronomically high.
So your motivation is what it is like if you
want to self preserve yourself, if you don't feel like
going out and playing seventy some games a year, you're
not gonna do it. And it's because you can't do
(06:09):
anything about it. Like when loser draws, like our team
is losing, we need you this that another. I don't care.
I'm not playing. I'm done for tonight, like I'm done
for this week, Like I'm not doing this game. Like
my knee is a little sore. You know. People was
like we talked so many times about how athletes like
(06:31):
persevere and do so many different things. More often than not,
we're persevering and we're pushing through because we're trying. We're
ultimately seeking the ultimate reward of what it is that
we're doing, which is getting paid for what we do. Oh,
this guy's jaw is broken, he's gonna play. This guy's nose,
his nose is broken, He's gonna play. He's got torn
(06:53):
Cartler's Look, he came back, his toe is broke, he's
gonna play. And you played because you to keep your job.
You didn't want to lose your job, and you wanted
to get paid. It's different now and and this, this
approach to the non exclusive franchise tag, I just wonder,
(07:13):
it's I just wonder if they're doing this now in
a in a in an attempt to basically like, look,
it's not gonna be better somewhere else, and if it is,
it's still not what you think it's going to be.
It's like almost like, let's do it this way so
we can let it play out in a public court
(07:34):
of of opinion where you say, listen, you could have
the whatever whatever opinion you want to have, but this
is what it's going to be. It's not going to
go beyond this. And we're taking our stand right here.
And I wonder if I just wonder moving forward, you know,
you got Burrow coming up, you got you got Herbert
(07:56):
coming up, you got you got all these guys coming up, Like,
what what does the future look like in terms of
how contracts are going to be done? Do you theyre
going to be unexclusive, non exclusive, franchise tag players. Do
you guys remember the first time you had a negotiation
or a contract in the NFL where he said, oh,
it's like that, okay, like to where the terms were
(08:20):
maybe not everything that you thought they were going to be,
or a team tried to short you on this, or
a negotiation got you know who you're talking to about
a contract going wrong. I'm I'm probably in the top
five of contracts going wrong in the National Football League. Well,
what does Elvis duomerfield in the fax Machine? Oh? Yeah,
(08:42):
that was bad too. That was an interesting one. Yeah,
that was a six point five million dollar bone the
roster bone is missing and them saying that it was
never there and that taking my average down the way
that it did is that's as bad as it gets,
and it is what it is. So yes, I have
had that moments like I don't know, that's why what
(09:05):
I see the deals that are handed out yesterday and
then you like do you search, you know, digging deep
enough on like the Geno Smith contract and it's only
a one year deal. I just go man like, like
what are like, how do those teams present the terms
of this? And trying like, oh, you know, listen, it's
a three year deal. We're gonna give you this then
(09:26):
and we can get out of it after a year.
But don't worry about it. We got this on the
back end. I just wonder, like, did they fast talk
you to try and skip past all the other fine
print that is the reality of the situation or is it? Hey,
it's all love, everything's good to go, and is what
we're going to give you? Yeah? Yeah, I mean for
some guys, this is what we're going to give you,
like and if you continue to play well, like he's
(09:48):
only played one good year with the Seattle Seahawks, why
would they Why would they go out of their way
to give a crazy ass contract to a You're not
sure if this was a Cinderella situation and the pumpkin
goes back at midnight, or he actually can be your
(10:09):
long I don't think anybody's looking at him as a
foregone conclusion. He's your long term solusion. The toughest part
about this is, you know, for him, he's played so
long at this point. I mean, he's thirty three years
old and he has his best season at thirty two,
and so is anyone out there gonna look at him
(10:31):
say Okay, like we really want to invest into him
to be our long term starter. Well, you know, the
reality is long term at this point in time in
his career isn't that long, and especially considering his track record.
So the problem is he's got to have another year.
Where's another prove it here? So he signs a three
year deal. It's essentially a one year deal with two
(10:51):
years throwing the back end of it, and he has
to go out and prove it again. Now the issue
with it is if he does, which you know, theorization
giving an extension. It looks good on the outside. The
reality is they're like, yeah, we have team control. Now,
they can trade him, they can restructure it, give him
a little bit more, but there's no ties to him.
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I mean, his cap hits the next two First off,
his cap hit this year is only ten million because
he got a signing bonus obviously to go along with
this deal, which helps limit the impact on the actual
salary cap. But the next two seasons, like they can
move on from him. There's really no ties. I mean,
(11:33):
the set the dead cap hits pretty insignificant. But the
problem is, like what organization is going to say, oh yeah,
at this age, we're going to invest heavily into him.
I mean, rich Gannon is one of the first that
comes to mind that I believe one NFL MVP of
what thirty thirty one and at that point, like his
(11:53):
career wasn't as established, but he was able to do
it that year with the Raiders, and Bert could probab
chime in on this. I believe he was what thirty
thirty one Burdo, and I just I remember always hearing that,
like that's what they would tell quarterbacks, like if you
haven't just think of rich Gannon, you could be the
guy to hit it at this point in time in
your career, and you're like, dude, no team's going to
(12:15):
invest into a quarterback who has taken this long to
establish himself. That just doesn't happen. Like they've moved on.
You get a first impression in the NFL, and after
that they've forgotten about you. Like the whole Geno Smith
conversation of a man like whatever I always said, they
wrote something and right back however he phrased it, it's like, well, well, yeah,
(12:36):
you got into your thirties and people just kind of
looked at you an entirely different way, and then you
have this outlier year and they go, we'll wait a second,
maybe we miss something here, but they want to see
you do it again. And they're gonna want to see
him do it again. Like the truth of the matter
is he's gonna have to earn every single year of
being a starter for the rest of his career if
he's going to prove to them that he's a franchise starter.
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That's how Seattle's gonna make him do that, and every
other team's gonna make him do him was thirty seven seven,
He's how about that Blue, I'm a rich cannon at
thirty seven. Yeah, but that's what you're talking right you.
You you are on a prove it like you're on
(13:20):
improve it. So he won the MVP at thirty seven,
but he he became a Pro Bowl caliber player at
thirty four. Yeah, Like you're essentially looking at like him
and Gino Smith in a very similar light where he
played football before he got to that point and it
never really became like the guy that you looked at
(13:42):
and said, oh, he can help our team potentially go
win a Super Bowl. He got to Oakland and you
know the first season was a five hundred season, but
after that they started to light it up. He becomes
the MVP at age thirty seven, and and and that's
and that's what like the story you're trying to tell here.
And so he's gonna have to string together so really
really good football, but he has to earn it every
sing every year. Ye, every game in fact, every game. Yeah,
(14:07):
And that's just that's the reality of it, because there's
still in a position a draft got to replace something.
And by the way, the Draymond Jones signing in Seattle
kind of some tea leaves into what they're may be thinking. Like, now,
I look at that first round pick at five, and
I think they either are looking to trade back or
they might be looking at saying we'll take the best
defender available, which will probably be an edge player Will Anderson,
(14:28):
Tybree Wilson, who everyone is throwing that conversation. But even
that signing kind of leads me to think, Okay, they're
probably looking at that pick differently than how we're looking
at that pick on the outside, because we were talking like, well, shoot,
Seattle could end up with Jalen Carter, you know, and
they still have another first round pick that they could
take a quarterback of one slides. Now you look at
(14:49):
and say when it signed Jalen Carter, But it's probably
gonna another defensive player if they stay put and the
market is spoken on Jalen Carter. I mean, I know
I wasn't in to talk about, you know them the
beer is trading out of the number one draft pick.
But the market is spoken and there's a team, a
team like you did talk about it though last year
you talked about didn't you. I talked about them probably
(15:11):
not needing to trade out of the number one pick. No,
I think you talk well, y'all had this cute to
have the number one draft pick. They haven't had it,
and I don't know if they've ever had it or ever.
I just don't see them trading out of it. I
think they'll take the best player available and they don't
need a quarterback, so they're going to probably take Carter
(15:33):
at number one. I mean, I don't know why the
market is spoken. Why do they got to air you
out like that? I mean, you come back and they
got to air you out like that. Also, all that
all that SoundBite says is I should be the GM
for the Chicago Bears that's all that says, like, you
take they're not good enough to just be trading. I
know everybody's excited. All they brought in Robbie Anderson and
(15:55):
they're this, and they're gonna be They're gonna be DJ
who even cares, Yeah, exactly, They're going to be the
same exact team they were this year. Best take the
same exact play. Take a player that can change the
fortunes of your franchise. You know, you got the number
one pick, you haven't had the pick in ever, and
(16:16):
you trade out of it. Here's the hard part about
the history of that with the Bears, not that they
had the number one pick when they took Tommy Harris,
but Tommy Harris was an unbelievable d tackle right he
got hurt and he kind of never came back as
the same player. I mean, Jonas, I know you're a
Bears fancy. I was at the game he suffered the
injury against Mark Colombo and the Cowboys. I was at
(16:36):
that game. I mean, ultimately, what they have to do
and need to do is see if they've got a
quarterback in fields like they are now in the position
of what the Dolphins were in, were the Dolphins brought
in Tyree Hill and they said, okay, like, let's see
if you can be the guy for a year. They
obviously like the progress they saw in fields, and they're like,
if we can get him more weapons. They now got
(16:57):
DJ Moore, they have Darnell Mooney, they have Chase Claypool,
They've got Cole Comet, and then if we get more picks,
del build up the offensive line, help help on defense.
Obviously by the way they're paying out linebackers left and right, yes,
they did, so they're trying to They're trying to build
out the defense. But if they could take that ninth
pick and roll it into you know, one of you know,
a number of different either cornerback or potentially an edge rusher,
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which there's definitely some capable ones sitting up there at
the top or than top ten, I think it's a
good move for them. I think that's where they're at there.
Their roster is so devoid a talent. They need help everywhere.
And look they're they're trying to get that done. It's
much easier said than done. And what offseason isn't going
to change the entire thing. I'll say this, the market
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has now spoken on Jaylen Carter because now you look
at the draft order. If you look at the draft order,
where does he now go high? Well, as it stands,
let somebody trade Arizona sitting at three. Okay, three, but
Arizona is already. Albert Brier had a column the yeah
that that Arizona is the other teams. The market has
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nothing to do with Jalen Carter. What it has to
do with quarterbacks. I mean you and I both know,
like it's every team's trying to solve that solution, and
that's that's what they're that that's what may happen. Like
if you see quarterbacks go one, two, three, to me,
it's not an indictment on Jaalen Carter. It's it's more
of an indictment on the franchises that are trading up
saying we're desperate, we need to solve this problem. We
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think these prospects are guys that can come be the
franchise quarterback. Yes, but that is the market though, because
to me, if you have the number one rated guy,
supposedly it's not a quarterback, I don't that's correct. Like
even if it's a Hall of Famer d tackle, there
you're gonna look at him and say, yeah, but like
that's only gonna help us so much, like we we
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need to have a quarterback if we don't have one,
and that's always gonna it's a weighted average, it's always
gonna be more valuable. Yeah, But if you have a
for sure guy at a different position, he's going number one.
He's going number one. I'm telling you that that's any
year that there there has been that it's been a
team drafting that doesn't need a quarterback. If there's a
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team that's drafting number one and needs a quarterback, they're
they're not taking another guy just because he's the number
one overall prospect. No, get what you're saying. But what
I'm again when I say the market is spoken on
j Lin Carter. He's not up. He's for for the
Bears to not need a quarterback and them to trade
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out and not take him. It says that we don't
need him, or we can go into different directions and
other teams willing to trade up and give us, you know,
considerable draft cop and and compensations for what we need.
So we're we're willing to trade out of it. The student,
I don't think they're good. I don't think they're not good.
The story is the Bears felt like there were seven
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blue chip prospects in this draft. They need talent everywhere
on the roster, and they felt like, as long as
they can still stay within ra they're gonna get a
guy that's going to be an impact. They're not going
to get Jalen Carter. Now, who knows he could draft?
Who knows. We don't know what's gonna happen. And that
mean clearly I don't and they could also probably they
might be able to move up as well too. I
mean they got extra draft capital, they can move up
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with Seattle at five of he sitting there. So again
I don't know. I mean maybe I'm biased because I
went through it and I saw it and there were
a lot of good quarterbacks. In high of fact, they're
the greatest quarterback ever was a player was in our draft?
Like there wasn't a quarterback taken. I don't know who
was even the first quarterback taken. I don't even know.
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But the bottom line is, again I'm looking through the
history of of the draft. I mean, if there's a
guy that that is a guy at the position, he's
going game. Now get John Carter went what number two
over he could number one? He went number one. Yeah,
I mean it's a different back. Drafting back, yeah, no
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drafting that. No one's looking at any other position because
and that's why you see it's quarterbacks. It's gonna be
edge rushers, it's gonna be cornerbacks, it's gonna be tackles,
it's gonna be wide receivers. Yeah. I mean that's primarily
the first round honestly, as going to be an edge
or a tackle or a quarterback. Like that's it. Edge, edge,
quarterback and a tackle. Well you'll see cornerbacks and wide
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receivers too. Not number one, no, no, not number one,
not number one, but but you'll see it. I mean, hell,
we had Calvin Johnson number two back and that was
you know, fifteen years ago, sixteen years ago, whatever it is,
went number one. But I'm just saying, like, what will
never change? Edge tackle, quarterback that's number one. Yeah, and
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Rather coming up later on this hour. Before we get
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some rule change for posals for twenty twenty three. Who
like them? All? Right? A couple I'm on board with,
(23:05):
like Philadelphia wants to permit the use of zero as
a jersey number and also to allow kickers and punters
to use any jersey number between zero forty nine and
ninety and ninety nine. Hell yeah, let's do it seriously
or they just doing that because Howie Roseman was doing
a shot at Tequilo when Jason Kelsey announced he was
(23:25):
returning yesterday? Is that what that was? And he said,
all right, we'll throw this together, you know, and they
were probably in the office together. How about that him
doing a shot at tequila when Jason Kelsey announceds you're
going to return. The guy's a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Kelse has been awesome. Yeah yeah. I mean when you
think about the mass exodus and this roster has had
um and we'll have right T Edwards is gone, you're
(23:47):
probably gonna see almost the entire secondary Mike Epps, James Bradberry,
Chauncey Gardner, Johnson. It looks like Darius Slay wants to
be wants to be traded elsewhere. Um, that's what we
talking about. Javon Hargrave, who already signed on San Francisco. Yeah,
by the way, the Niners gonna have money for Bosa. Like,
what's like they got they have money for Bosa. I
mean it sounds more like an indictment on Javon kin Law.
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He's only played ten games the past two years, hasn't
really had the impact they were hoping for as a
first round pick out of South Carolina. So look, it
was a whole. It was a spot that they need
to fill the next Eric Armstead, and now they got
the opportunity to do it. So that's a team that
they have enough you know, cash to be able to
you know, fit Javon Hargraves into the equation along with
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Nick Bosa. But the windows now and and and in
part two because of Trey Lance, which you know they've
got to make a decision on him. But that's one
that I think it's going to play itself out for
a while where you'll see them pick up the fifth
year option, and you know they could be under that
for a decent amount of time. Now you want to
hear the other Philadelphia proposal. Sure, this one's fine, let's
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hear all right. So you know how the on site
kicks just a giant waste of time, waste of time. Well,
like you know the XFL and USFL and aaf of
all trey to offset that and say, well, you know,
instead of the on site kick, what about this fourth
and fifteen play was thrown out a couple of years ago. Well,
the Eagles would like to put together a fourth and
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twenty as opposed to an onside kick, to where you
have a fourth and twenty one play from the kicking
team's twenty yard line and that would be your onside
kickoff attempt. So if the onside kick is already just
a formality because it's so rare anybody actually converts an
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onside kick, why not if you got a fourth and twenty.
I don't know how many fourth and twenty plays are
in a playbook, but to me, you give options and
it makes it a more exciting play. If Roger Goodell
is all about we need to move the extra point
back to create a more exciting play. To me, there
would be nothing more exciting as opposed to an onside
kick than a fourth and twenty and just going for
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it and see if you can pick up that twenty
yards and get that first down. I mean, but we're
on the field. Are you doing it? From the kicking
teams twenty? The kicking teams twenty, here's what I don't
like about it. I think they got the yard line wrong.
I don't mind them doing a fourth in twenty. I'm
sure they've got the data to support that there's an
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easier chance of converting a fourth in twenty. I'm assuming
they're including you know, personal foul penalties, pass interference, those
sorts of things. But I'm assuming they're including that, and
so it's gonna be a slight uptick from recovering an
outside kick. I think personally though, from the twenty yard line,
the tough thing is if you don't get it, the
game's over because the other team's gonna be in a
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position to make it a two score game. Let's just
say you're down by a touchdown. That's where I think
they've gotten this wrong. They need to make it where
it's like, okay, it's at the thirty five or four
something like that, where and you might say, well, that's
too helpful. But at least in the event they don't
get it, you know, your defense has a chance to
go out and maybe force a longer field goal that's
(26:57):
not a chip shot or a gimme. Like that's mine
only issue with putting it. You know, at the kicking
teams twenty to do a fourth and twenty desperation play,
I think you need to back it up a little bit.
But yeah, because if you don't get it, it's really over.
That's what I'm saying. Like it's like you're putting all
your eggs in that basket right right now. If you're
kick an on side kick and don't get it. I mean,
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if you have some timeouts and stuff, you might be
able to get a stop and force either a punt
or like a long field goal. But it's not like
you're not in a position where it's that makeable. You know,
you're on twenty. Like that's you're basically saying, all, right now,
the game is over. I say, if you elect to
do since we're coming up with ideas of it or
variations if you choose elect to do an aside or
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they turned it into you're you're going to go for it,
and it's a fourth and twenty. I think you should
be on the twenty of the receiving team and be
in position to score. But if you if you don't
get it, you go to the kicking teams twenty and
you get the ball. If you don't get it, I see,
I think that's like too helpful, especially with pass interference
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the way they call it nowadays, Like you throw one
ball in the end zone, defense gets called for DPI,
the balls on the two. The game's completely flipped. I
mean I would almost I might almost actually do that
just in like the second quarter. I mean, that's an entertainment.
That's that's entertainment value to me. If I mean after
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this past Super Bowl, I mean, listen, if you grab him,
you grab them. If you if you're gonna cover them,
you're gonna cover them. If you're gonna get a PI,
you're gonna get a PR. But if I'm gonna go
for it, it's four fint twenty, which means that you
have got to get the ball in the end zone
or you've got to get a you know, get a penalty.
So the other teams that put together, because I think
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the Detroit Lions clearly had an agenda here when putting
together these proposals. Here are the three proposals from the Lions,
and tell me if you find a common theme here.
All right, a proposal Number one, they would like to
expand the coach's challenge system to include personal fouls called
on the field. Number two that I don't mind that.
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Number two they would like to provide clubs more opportunities
for a third challenge. And number three to expand the
replay officials jurisdiction to allow for consultation regarding penalty assessment.
I'm guessing they're probably not big fans of how the
officiating has gone when it comes to challenges couple of years.
So maybe Dan Campbell said, all right, can we can
(29:24):
we at least have I agree with you? By the way,
on the personal fouls, there was a ton of personal
fouls that were to me at best questionable at best,
and they're so punitive that why why not have an
opportunity to look at it and say, all right, is
that really worth what we've seen? I mean, if you're
swatting through a guy's arm and you hit the quarterback
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and you glance his head swatting to try to get
to the ball, and that's a personal foul. I mean,
that's you know, I know the rules are the rules,
but god dang, like you know, some of it is
kind of I don't know. We're almost getting to the
college football review of targeting, which, like again, college football
does such a better job of implementing replay into the
(30:08):
game where they're not slowing it down to the extent
that the NFL does, and out of any replay review,
it's just acidinine that they're I don't know if it's
too proud or this is the NFL. It's not college
amateur sport. I'm not sure what the hold up is.
And I know people who watch college and NFL, they'll say, well,
college games are longer. Well they're actually you know, adjusting
(30:30):
that now with the clocks this offseason. As soon as
they take away a stop clock at a game first down,
you're gonna say a drastic difference in the length of
those games, considering how much offensive football, you know, college
football has become. But you know, I actually read through these,
so if you look at like what they're asking as
far as getting additional challenge, they're proposed that you just
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have to get one challenge right and you get an
additional one. Look, I think two are good enough. We
don't see coaches use both in any given game as
it is. You know, maybe they'd be more apt to
use it if you could review, for example, a personal foul.
To me, the issue with that is is the NFL
could do exactly what they did when they made defensive
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pass interference an offensive pass interference reviewable. They would just
squash it by saying, yeah, we're just not going to
overturn it, so you can go ahead and review it.
But we're gonna be telling our replay officials you're not
gonna you're not gonna overturn it. So we go back,
we see the call in the field, it's either a call.
It's either a call or no call, and you can
review it and there's really not gonna be a chance
(31:36):
in the outcome. What a mess, all right? So coming
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rather your rare topics, sports or otherwise? All right, lead
to lap? What do we got guys? Would you rather
we're talking a lot of Aaron Rodgers. Would you rather
be in a hole for four days? Dark room with
Aaron Rodgers four days? Or do an Ayahuaska trip with
Aaron Rodgers? Well, isn't that one in the same lea? Well? No,
(33:25):
an Ayahuaska trips only about a day. Yeah, he doing
that whole thing with no auaca. No it was in
the hole. No, no drugs in the hole. Um, I'll
go underground because I don't want to do drugs and
not be aware of what's happening around me, even for
a day. I'll take my chances sober with a bunch
(33:48):
of golfers and earthworms and Aaron Rodgers underground for four days.
You know, I don't I don't want to participate in
any of itpcity I mean an option. Yeah, that's not
an option. I'm backing into the fern or the bush.
Just I'm getting out of it it, so I'm gonna take
(34:11):
the segment off. You're out. I don't like how it started,
all right, I guess we always have a sea then, right,
I'd rather not do either, all right, except would you
rather I'd rather not? Yeah? Yeah, no, well then I'm
with rather not on that one as well. I would
rather not do any of them. But if I had,
(34:33):
you would rather be in this movie right now? Yeah?
Which would you rather do? I would go with the
uh it's I would go with the ayahuasca. There's there's
a stunner. Yeah, I try that. Yeah, that's a stunner.
You Todd and Aaron doing hyahuasca. That'd be fun. That
would be Would Todd be there? I'm sure he would would?
(34:56):
Would you have Rogers autograph your packers? What do they
called the crocs? Your packers crocs that Todd got you?
Would you have Rogers autograph those? For sure? Yeah? I'll
take that. Yeah. Are you with Todd? Best friends? Yeah? Yeah, definitely,
you know, I don't know. That's a weird question. I
don't know if you if you still say best friends
these days? Like when do you stop saying best friends? Yeah?
(35:19):
Stress a good question yeah, I still say best friend.
Yeah yeah, I still use it. Yeah, yeah, me too.
What else, guys, would you rather lose your Internet or
your Central Air and heat? Oh? Internet, give me a break? Yeah,
definitely Internet. You still got you know data? Da oh
(35:44):
no data? No, so you lose your internet, phone and everything?
What we get hit by an MP what's happened? Exactly?
No Internet. You can't access the Internet. So if you
can't access the Internet, you're saying you have no type
of connection at all, no connectivity. You can't call someone
on a phone, That's what I'm saying. No, you can
call the phone. You just don't have ad to the
Worldwide Web. But you have data. Give me the I
(36:06):
can get. I can get the web all my data. No,
you know you cannot naked, not with the Rather, he's
making the rules, all right, all right, Yeah, we need
to think these out a little bit. I thought it out.
You guys, good questions. I don't care. I'll take away
your phone if you want. Here, Jonas, that's well, I'm
just saying I don't care if I lose either. I mean,
(36:28):
because I adapt well in the elements. So whatever mother
nature hasn't planned for me, I'm gonna just adapt well
to it. That's the way I operate, kid. I ask
for this though, for Lavara's sake. So there was a
time when Jonas was doing shows I think out of
his garage, which did not have any air conditioning, my
mom's garage. He smelled awful. I did, like, absolutely, you
(36:49):
could stroll him through the speaker, that's all. They weren't.
For Lavara's sake, I think you should claim to one
ac not good. Go on, noice smells are I mean,
I don't. I don't breathe. I'm so used to, like
diapers and stuff like that through the course of my time.
I actually started breathing through my mouth a really really
(37:12):
long time ago. So I don't really smell people anyway.
And in comparison to what they brew up every morning
in the production studio, like I smell like when I
when I go in there and try to smell what's
going on in there, it's just a whole lot of difference.
Since man, yeah, I'd wanted the chamber for you guys,
and then I came in. It was like a deep conversation.
I was like, oh man, I'm so glad, thank you goodness,
(37:34):
come on, Lee let it fly? Who care? All right?
What else? You got? One more? Yeah? Sure? One more? Here?
Would you rather pass out at nine thirty pm every
night or three thirty am? No in between? You'd have
to fall asleep at nine thirty eight pm or three
thirty am? Which one I want to PM's that's probably
(37:56):
what I am now. Yeah, I fall asleep way before then.
I like it up early. Yeah all right, I like
being up too late. I'd rather fall asleep at three
thirty knowing that I can sleep in the next day.
I try to get the most out of that that,
you know, last day, so I carried it into the
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