March 16, 2023 • 45 mins
On today’s 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers says the Packers are holding up his trade to the Jets. Senior NFL Reporter for the MMQB, Albert Breer sheds light on the negotiations between the Jets and Packers and top prospect Jalen Carter comes in almost 10 pounds heavier than his combine weight at his Georgia Pro Day.
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Arrington, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. So Aaron Rodgers made his appearance yesterday
on The Pat McAfee Show starring AJ Hawk and just
kind of took us through what's been happening over the
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past couple of weeks several days. And there's a bunch
of different things that we can look at as far
as what he said. But here was Aaron Rodgers discussing
with the guys, the retreat, the decision, and where things
stand when it comes to his desire to want to
play and whether that'll be in Green Bay or with
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the New York Jets. You know, I got admit I
went to the darkness ninety percent, retiring at ten percent point.
That's where my mind was. My mind was I'm tired
of saidn't got back into my workouts yet, and I
thought that that was what was best for me. When
I came out of the darkness, something changed. I'm not
exactly sure what that was, but something changed. I got
back to my phone after five days off of it,
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I realized that there'd been a little bit of a shift.
I heard from multiple people that I trust that there
was some shopping going on. They were interested in actually
moving me. The packers granted, obviously permission for the Jets
come out and visit. We had a nice visit. I
told them, listen, I'm not ready to make a decision
about anything. I want to get back into my workouts
and see how it feels, you know, to really hit
it hard for a week, and then I'll see where
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we're at at this point. As I said here, you know,
I think since Friday, I made it clear that my
intention was to play, and my intention was to play
for the New York Jets, and I haven't been holding
anything up at this point. It's been compensation that the
packers are trying to get for me and kind of
digging their heels in. So there we go. It's all
on Green Bay, digging their heels in on some comp
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that they would like in return for Aaron Rodgers if
he's going to go play for the New York Jets.
So that is the update from Aaron Rodgers himself. Well,
I mean it's true. I mean, look, here's the problem
with the situation between the Packers and the Jets. There's
no other pitters. There's there's no one else helping to
push this up to what the Green Bay Packers want. Unfortunately,
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Mark Murphy already publicly stated that the Packers want to
move on. I mean maybe that was in some ways
publicly stated when they drafted Jordan Love in the first place.
I mean, at least if you listen to Aaron Rodgers
and how he just you know, talks about his entire experience,
which you know, he touches on the fact that, look,
he was that guy before he gets it. He was
that guy that they took and late in the first
round and was there waiting once Brett Faber moved on.
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So he's been through this before. He's seen it before,
the differences the front office and the people there. And
I think that's what was interesting about the conversation is
he's very understanding of the fact that, like, he's not
their guy, he doesn't have the same you know, relationship
with those guys in the front office as he did.
Whether it's Mark Murphy who acts as as their owner
basically because there are a publicly owned team, or the
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general manager in Brian Gudencun's whoever you want to touch on.
I mean, he went through a lot of names, but
the truth is he knew just like everyone else did.
The clock started when Jordan Love was traded up and
taken the first round of the draft. Now, if he
had had this past season, that first season, they probably
would have moved on, like he was right and bringing
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that up and talking about it, because that's kind of
the sentiment that I got. But the reality is he
went back to pack MVPs, and so there's no way
Green Bay can move on. They have to. They have
to put up with them. They have to keep appeasing
him in the meantime, and I think there's things that
he was looking to do, knowing that the end was
coming and hoping that he could create change for the
future in the way they move on from players. And
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you know his quote that he says often and it's true,
is it's a great profession. It's a tough business. And
even for a guy who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, right,
a Super Bowl champ, a four time MVP, and a
guy who's played for the Green Bay Packers longer than
anyone in the history of the organization. So it's it's
excuse me, it's it's interesting that you know, now you
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find yourselves in this position where Mark Murphy already said
they have no plans really if things don't work out
to have Green Bay or Aaron Rodgers there, and so
there's no one else helping to bid up for them
to get two first round picks. Yet the only thing
they have holding over the Jets is the ability to
hang on d Aaron Rodgers all the way up to
the season, and they could dragged this thing out forever
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because the option bonus in the way it's it's worked,
or the language within his contract they doesn't have to
kick in until later on this year. Yeah, and that's
so that's the biggest key here to Well, that's part
of it. But I think the other thing that people
are overlooking is if you're the Packers and you're starting
Jordan Love and you want to make a decision on
him because you have to now right, you know, this
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is now a time where you've got to figure out
if he's your guy or not. And you go past
the draft before you trade Aaron Rodgers, you're only hurting him,
You're only hurting yourselves because now instead of potentially getting
a draft pick this season, you know you're now looking
off into the future, and so you're not really helping
to continue to build out around the quarterback position where
he probably needs more help than Aaron Rodgers necessarily did
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in that spot. I think it's personal here, though, and
if it's business, it's one hundred percent on par with
what you're saying. If it's just business, get your compensation,
get them out of there, and move on. Everybody go
their separate ways, and you can kind of walk away
from this pretty much. Everyone comes out of it, and
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you're not looking at green Bay and saying, Okay, green
Bay is you know, on the wrong side with the
fans or Aaron Rodgers on the wrong side with the fans.
As to how this was handled, I think if I'm
looking at it from the emotional standpoint of it, Aaron
Rodgers embarrassed that front office last season coming into the
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year was it last year, the year before it was
the year before last year he came Nige. Yeah, it
came Nick Cage, Nick Cage last year or the year
before which when he came in with that that he
came in with a full fledge. Yeah, don't don't do that.
Con here, Nick Cage. His Flamethrower was on point with
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how he talked about what he represents the Green Bay
and and what were to happen if he weren't in
Green Bay, Which is kind of interesting because you're only
one season removed, well really two seasons, but he played
that season. You're one season removed after that from those statements.
And I just wonder with them having the ability to
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hold on to the situation until September one, are you
because again, it helps you to be able to be
able to get this year's draft picks compensation going like
like you said, Q, but that also is you're also
impacting what the Jets are going to do. So if
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you go beyond, if you go beyond the draft, if
you drag this out that far, do the Jets go
cold on on the Aaron Rodgers deal? Do you do?
You do you mess yourself up? They so all in
bed on this. There's no chance you think they would
take the chance of waiting until sept thix. First, they
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are waiting until this whole thing comes around. This, this
whole thing is in essence done. It's just a matter
of when. And I don't think it's going to go
up to September one. Who do you think would be
the most petty, Well, it's the Green patty. The Jets
do only because Green Bay knows they know what their
situation is. Because I saw Albert Brier and I wanted
to ask him this because he sent a tweet later
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on and I saw him send a tweet that says, well,
Aaron Rodgers gave the Packers the most important thing. He
gave him leverage. And I'm thinking to myself, did he
because it felt like Mark Murphy kind of shot that,
you know, and and blew the tire on that car
on Friday when he aired it out and just said,
oh yeah, our plan is to not have Aaron Rodgers back.
That's the ideal situation. So I just don't know how
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Green Bay's got the leverage here. They're almost kind of
in a similar spot. But I feel like, ultimately this
deal's got to get done because they need to move
on and then the Jets need to figure out who,
if he who their quarterback's going to be. Obviously it'll
be Rogers, but they need to get it done. And
so one of the stories that's out there, I saw
that the compensation they're looking at is similar to Matt
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Stafford where they got two first round picks for Matt
staff But here's the difference is you know in that
in that event, the team that was looking to move
on from Jared Goff was absorbing this contract. Yeah, right,
like that was part of it. That's that's this isn't
the same scenario. You know, like this this has nothing
to do necessarily with as much about money outside of
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a clause. The Packers are twenty million under the cap,
so they're good for now. What this prevents them from
ultimately doing is outside of the draft capital they could
get in exchange for Aaron Rodgers. There's also the element
of that they can't spend as much on free agents.
Like if you can't understand how much cap space you've
got going into this year, because you don't know how
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long it's going to take to be able to get
to that point depending on when this all works out,
you know, you're kind of in a difficult spot if
you're the Packers too from a free agent signing standpoint,
which how many free agents that they've been able to
sign at this point, I haven't heard of any. Have
they made any spotses? No, So that's the other point
of like you know, when you look at who has
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the leverage here, Well, it doesn't seem like green Bay
does because they've already admitted they want to move on
from him. He's made clear the destination that he wants
to go to. There's only one bidder. The only thing
that helps out green Bay is if there's another team
or two that gets desperate and wants to come in
and try to sign Aaron rodd just to help build
up that price, then maybe that forces the New York
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Jets hands and they've got act quicker than they want to.
Let me ask you this, what's the hit on them?
If let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that
the deal fell through and they were just going to
release Aaron Rodgers before September. First, let's just say that
played out. What would that cost green Bay? That would
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be a dead cap hit of a one hundred million dollars. Yeah, yeah,
So they're not releasing them, right, and he actually counts
thirty one point six million against the cap. So there's
your answer right there. That's that's where the answer lies.
So just to say that they could try to carry
this out or carry this on until September one, that
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number right there, says that the Jets have all of
the leverage, because why would you if you're committed to
moving on from Aaron Rodgers, why would you chance getting
getting caught up with that, like you said, when you
only have one bidder on the table, like it takes on.
So I think there's a greater talking point here too,
that Aaron was touching on that that people aren't focused on,
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and I think people are just they only care about
it's the compensation, the money, everything else. He pointed out
the fact that look, he's been the longest tenured Green
Bay packer, he's arguably, in his words, the best green
Bay packer. Some may say is somebody say is. That's
up for debate, But he did kind of talk about like,
hey man, I've done a lot of good things for
you guys, can you just have some grace with how
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you move on from a player? Like I think that's
one of the points too he's making is this doesn't
have to be contentious, This doesn't have to be emotional.
This doesn't have to be a deal where you know
it's a it's a bad situation. Like I think a
portion of him looks at the draft pick of Jordan
Love and says, you wasted draft capital when I was
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about ready to win two MVPs on a guy that
was never going to help us, was never gonna help us,
and so instead of building more around me, you wasted
a draft pick on a guy that may or may
not be able to take over. But the reality is
now it's time to pay up. You can go ahead
and get something a little less all right in exchange
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for me. So you do the right thing based on
what I've done for you and have to deal with
the past. And it's not fair, and it's not like
that certainly will be fair. It's not like they were
sitting there and Jordan Love was the best player on
the board. They moved up, like they gave up picks
to move up to draft to Ordan Love. That's what
I'm saying. Like I remember the whole like they never
really drafted a wide receiver in the first round. There's
multiple opportunities to draft the more talented guys, you know,
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to come in and be a part of that. I mean,
like Christian Watson they finally got this past year. But
you know that was he was one everyone knew he
was gonna be a little bit more of a project,
you know, And he came out at the end of
the year. You saw the speed, you saw his ability,
But where's that three years ago? Where's that back in
twenty twenty, And so you could probably send some of
the frustration too, of dude, I've been here forever. I've
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been through you know, changes of essential ownership if you will,
as far as you know, who ends up overseeing it
all to Mark Murphy front office, change everything else. And
now the time where I've got a team that I
want to go to, we've probably got an idea of
how we're gonna work this thing out and then we
can move on, and you can move on. And yet
now you want to kind of trying to play games
at the end. And I don't know, maybe they feel
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like because of the whole immunization thing, and he kind
of drugged them through some stuff too. But again, like
once they made that draft pick, and Jonas, you and
I worked together and I said this back then, once
they made that draft pickI it was the clock started, yea,
and everyone knew it and it was just a matter
of time and just didn't work out the way the
Packers had hoped, and they were just waiting for one
subpar season quote unquote subpar season. He wasn't that bad,
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but one non MVP season and all of a sudden,
yet you know, we got to go to another direction
and he screwed up and had two back to back MVP.
The other thing that's kind of messed up is like,
you know, hey, guys, I'm going away for a bit,
all right, And then you got as me while were like, hey,
we should trade Brady. You know, I'm like, well, hold
on a second, like I thought we were good, and
then you come out of some hut in a dark
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room and like the next thing you know, they're shopping
you around, like because they know you don't have any
cell service or any up building to communicate with anyone.
It just it feels a little slick too on the
part of the packers and how they handled it. I
wouldn't if a guy and by the way, like if
he's working on his mental health and wellness whatever else,
and that's how he does it, Okay, you know, people
can say whatever they want, but to give him the
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assurance that they're gonna wait, and then he goes into
a hut for what three nights? I think he said
you know, four days or whatever it was. Yeah, and
then they just completely just shop him around and go
bind his back. It's kind of dirty. It seems really
dirty on the part of the packers and disrespectful to
hippies everywhere. I think, totally disrespectful from everybody involved. Be
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we turn it over to Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can get him on Twitter at
Albert Brier. Albert, Good morning, Happy turney day to you. Yeah,
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happy attorney today. Noah, my Alba Motter is not playing today.
I'll say, how far you got the books going, Frank,
how far you got the book eys going on by
standard this year? That's right? Still gamble on it done right?
And I see is that where it's going. No, not
even n I T this year, Brad. We weren't even
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good enough to make the n I so well. I
think I think I'm right there with you at mylater
So Albert, I got to ask you, when is this
trade going to get done between the Packers and the Jets,
because I think you had pointed out that you feel
like the Packers have the leverage here. So what's the
timeline in your mind that this deal gets done between
these two teams? Well, I actually I thought all along
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the deal was relatively workable. Um, now the Packers want
to be difficult about this. I think Aaron Rodgers sort
of as a parting gift fully gave them the ability
to do that yesterday. Because the Jets are really painted
into a corner now. They can't get Aaron Rodgers, you know,
Joe Douglas, Robert Salad. They can't afford to not get him.
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And so, you know, I think the big thing in
Aaron Rodgers contract right now is that fifty eight point
three million dollar option bonus, and that doesn't need to
be exercise fully guaranteed. So he's going to get it.
But that doesn't need to be exercised before September first.
Whichever team exercises it can exercise if any time between
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now and then, which gives the Packers a tremendous amount
of flexibility to trade him whenever they want to. In
addition to that, his cap hit actually goes up when
he's traded, so they don't get any extra flexibility from
trading him. So it doesn't even affect the way that
they're going to do business over the next couple of weeks.
So you know where I think like this was a
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really workable situation. Now the packers want to sort of
make it difficult and say, Okay, well, you know you're
operating as if you're the Jets quarterback, but we still
have your rights. And the Jets are sort of in
a position where they have to go and get you
now because that Derek Carson and Jimmy Garoppolos the world
are off the market. Well, you know, now you got
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to do what we want and you got to give
us what we want. So, you know, I think, in
an interesting sort of way, Aaron Rodgers might have made
things a little bit more difficult on the Jets yesterday. Now,
I think ultimately if hooves everybody to you know, get
closure here, the rank conclusion, and so you know, I
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think like after the dust settles and after maybe some
of the hard feelings that will come out of you know,
what we said yesterday, dissipate a little bit, a deal
get done. But you know, I don't think Aaron Rodgers
did the Jets a lot of favors when it comes
to leverage with what he said yesterday. Could you make
the case though, that Mark Murphy didn't either. I mean,
he's already laid his hand out, and that the fact
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that the Packers obviously going with Aaron Rodgers is not
their plan. And I would actually argue too, the Packers
haven't done it much of anything free agency, and we
can sit there and say like, well, hey, that's not
Brian Googoost what he does. That wasn't necessarily the case
when he first took over. He was much more active,
and I think you probably need to be more active
when you have twenty million in cap space and you've
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got a quarterback that's not going to raise the level
of people around him if you want to see what
he's capable of. So isn't there a thought process to
really no one having much leverage here? Only because of
the way Rogers and Murphy has played this thing out?
And I guess the last thing I'll just say, if
I'm the Packers and I'm sitting there looking at this
year's draft, and I could get a first round pick
and maybe a second round next year, whatever the case is.
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If I let this thing go past the draft, how
am I helping us evaluate Jordan Love? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I agree with that, Brot. But I think if there
was a first round pick on the table, this would
deal would be done. You know, I don't think there's
a first round pick, not as of right now. I
don't think it's like the thirteenth overall pick. I like,
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that's where the Jets pick is. Like, I don't think
that's on the table right now, Like it could be.
It could be button really like I think, like I
think like where this deal was going to be, and
I think where ultimately it may end up landing. It's
maybe the Jets second round pick, which is a forty
third overall pick, and then conditional picks down the line
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based on how Rogers plays, maybe whether he plays in
twenty twenty four. Um, I think that's where this I
think that's where this has been going. Now, Like could
that change now that maybe the Packers still that they
have a little bit more leverage and can play hardball maybe, um,
But because of the contract, because of the sixty million dollars.
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It's so old because of Aaron Rodgers age because you're
probably trading for I don't know, like a year or
two of him and not five or ten years of him. Um.
You know, I don't think that the thirteenth overall pick
has been part of the discussion yet from the Jet standpoint.
Now again, like that could change, but um, as of
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right now, now, like my guests would be like that
this is probably the framework of this deal would be
a second round pick and then conditional picks down the line. Again,
that could change now because the Jets have sort of
been painted into a corner. But um, but but I
think if the thirteenth overall think had been on the table,
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we'd be talking about things getting done pretty quickly. My
understanding is if he goes, it's not for a year,
he'll be there at least two that's my understing situation. Okay,
and I you know, but but you're still brading. You're
still saying though, you know, like if he goes, right,
like that's two years. That's not trading for like Deshaun Watson,
where when the Browns trader to Shaun Watson for better
or worse, they're trading for ten years of him. You
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know what I mean, we think I mean there could
be a massage table that gets in the way of
that album. I'm saying it's it's one Harmony massage table
that gets in the way of the whole situation. That's
a great brand. If you guys need a nice massage
table out your house, go with Harmony. I'm pretty sure
I can't stop by a grab Lab once next seven.
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He's got to hear about it for two years. Oh god,
if if what you're saying is correct, I mean, is
there a possibility And I asked this earlier with the guys,
is there a possibility that this deal could fall through
if they don't want to give up. If you're saying
they got to give up a first rounder and that's
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not on the table and that's what's holding things up,
you can look at it and say, all right, green
Bay is in danger in that risk of having to
pay Aaron Rodgers. Why would they do that? So now,
if you're saying you know what I mean, like, I
don't know. I don't think it happens. I don't think
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it comes to that. I don't like, I don't think
it comes to that, I think ultimately cooler heads will
for fail. But but look like you know, I mean,
the thing is, like, I think the situation between Aaron
Rodgers and the Packers got worse yesterday. Not that right,
I think we canna agree on that, would you guys?
It says personal like it got worse yesterday, and like
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so I think because of that, the Packers might feel
more emboldened now to play hardball. Now they have a
lot of runway to do a deal, right, like again
that money, they don't have to do anything until September first.
Do I think they're gonna wait that long? No? I
think ultimately cooler heads are going to prevail, and the
Jets and the Packers are going to get to the
are going to come to an agreement. I think Joe
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Douglas and Brian Good at this and they'll find a
way to do something creatively. They'll be fair for everybody.
But in the immediate aftermath of what happened yesterday and
what Aaron Rodgers said yesterday, like do I think by
Brian grew Goodacoons and Mark Murphy are a little hot
over this? Probably yeah, you know, And so, like I
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I think in the immediate aftermath. Again, like I think
that there's there's there's going to be I think it
just makes it a little harder to do the deal. Ultimately,
I think cooler heads are going to prevail on the
deal get done because that's what's best for everybody. It's
what's best for the Packers to get capital for him
that they can spend, like Brady said this year, to
help Jordan Law. It's best for Jordan Law. It could
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create a cleaner situation for him, and I think it's
best for the Jets of course to have Aaron Rodgers
on board and helping to recruit players there and ultimately
maybe even taking part in the offseason program, which obviously
he didn't do the last few years in Green Day.
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB Albert, we were talking a little while
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ago about Jalen Carter's Pro day less an ideal comes
in nine pounds heavier than the combine, which was you know,
not that long ago, and then couldn't finish his workouts
because of cramping and cardio issues, and we were just
talking about how far he could potentially falls are a
chance maybe he falls out of the top ten. What
are you hearing from people you talk to? So Like
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when I was as a combine, I had more than
one person compare the situation to Warren Sapp and I
think that was nineteen right, thineteen four, um and Warren
Stapp Like for people who don't know, unfortunately I'm old
enough to remember this draft. But um, and I was
just about the hotel room situation. That's more recent. About
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the hotel room situation. It's another wrong that was more reason. Yeah,
but if you guys remember, if you guys remember, Warren
Sapp would have been like a top five pick, right,
and then the week that's and all that stuff that
came out, all the stuff that came out before the draft,
and he slipped. I think it was the eleven Yeah,
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I think eleven or twelve overall. So, um, you know
a couple of people have compared this situation to that
situation where it's like he's not gonna fall out of
the first round. But like you know, if you're if
you're picking in the top seven or eight, you know
or are you gonna look at this hard and say,
you know, I I don't know, like you know, I'd
rather put it in the middle of fairway with Will Anderson,
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who may be not as talented as Jalen Carter but
as clean as they come, you know, But Jaylen Carter
is not as good as Warren Sapp coming out of college. Like,
let's be clear here, Like that's an entirely different stratosphere
of a player. Jaylen Carter is well. J Carter is
really good. Like Carter is really talented. Though I'm not
saying SAP, but he's like, bro, he's not a SAP
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coming out. I'm making the I'm making the comparison LaVar
like just kind of conceptually what could happen. And that's
interesting because if he's being compared to a player that
was a better prospect, like in theory coming out in
his draft and and SAP slipped to outside of ten,
then what does that mean for a guy that you know,
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like Jaylen Carter. So, I mean that's I think that's
pretty in an interesting comparison. And so here's what But
I think a lot of people would say, just in
the context of this year's class, like there are teams
that think Jaleen car is the best player in the draft, right,
no doubt no doubt the best prospect, so so like
I think, like if he I'll put it this way
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to you guys, like I know for a fact they're
team's nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirty and that range, right
that we're thinking that, like you know, they're studying him,
but they're like, okay, like he's not going to be there,
so they weren't and now they're putting all the work in,
you know what I mean, Like because they're looking at
it and they're saying, all right, see he had the
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arrest warrant, so before it was there are all these
questions about football character with him, right, and his makeup
and how he would fit into a team environment in
the NFL and all of that, right, those are the questions,
but nothing criminal. And then all of a sudden, the
thing happens at the combine and you couldn't say nothing
criminal anymore because there is a criminal investigation, right, and
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then you come after out of that and less than
two weeks later this happened, right, Like I mean, I
don't know. You guys are pro athletes, you you guys
can help me here. If if guy didn't if a guy,
if what happened with Jay car at the combine with
the arrest warrant, wasn't a wake up call? What will be? Right?
(27:05):
Like if he still shows up to the pro day
like this, like right after what happened, If that wasn't
a wake up call for him like that, I have
to be at my very best for the rest of
the process. Like I don't know, Like if you're a GM,
wouldn't like alarm is being going off in your head
right now? Right? Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I have
a big dinner, I'll gain like four or five pounds
(27:25):
over now. Maybe he had a full rack of ribs.
Great point, I mean seriously, I mean, like boss hog,
I mean exactly, ever, like you could have all of
a sudden you could go up forty Well, I'm probably not.
My weight fluctuates a lot, so I'm probably not the
guy to ask on this one. Hold on, could you
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go nine pounds? And well how long was that after
the combine? What like two weeks? I mean so let me, yes,
two weeks ago? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's not that hard,
especially if you were like I feel like some guys
trying to get a targeted weight, especially for the bigger guys,
even some of the small. Yeah, but if you if
you add that to like you can't you can't finish
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trails and you're not doing athletic testing. Yeah, can I
just maybe hit a big bullet chili for lunch? I
don't know. I mean, it's it's tough to be able
to tell, but it seems plausible. I mean, some turbolex
and and is green tea? Albert, before we let you go,
how banged up are you gonna get for Saint Patty's Day? Yeah,
(28:29):
come on, Albert, I'm I'm I'm I'm retired from Saint Patrick.
Loser that it's a it's a Friday, you got to
turn it out, come on the weekend. I don't believe
that my best story from Saint Patrick's So I had
a This is like probably my twin I was probably
twenty eight, twenty nine. I um, I think this is
(28:51):
a Saint Patrick's Day parade and um yeah. I got
started really really early and uh I pulled the old
Irish exit from this are. It had to be four
or five o'clock. I don't remember taking the tea the
subway there in Boston. I don't remember taking the tea home.
I woke up at eleven PM with like the TV
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I'm full blast, all the lights in my apartment on,
I'm McDonald's fries all over my chest. That was like
that story, like the last big one for me. And
after that, I'm my card. I'm getting a little ah, well,
you know what that's that's a fun memory there. He
is the great Albert Breer, Albert, we appreciate it, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. He's a professional, fright, he
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is a professional and he knows how to have a
good time as well too. At Albert Breer on twitters Albert,
We'll do to get an extra it is. He was
sad though we didn't have a technical glitch there. That's
the first time in a while. That's true. That's actually
kind of disappointing. That's true. It's not it's not football season.
It's not. He's not as busy, you know, he's not
like dropping the kids off and getting to me the
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real story of last week. So now I know exactly
what he was doing. But oh it happened last week.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that was because he was hot a run.
I think he forgot so he ran back and then
made it back in time. But I think he was
at a spot like ID bad Service. Oh oh, listen,
it worked out great this week. And the visual of
(30:17):
him having fries on his chest in his late twenties
with all the lights on. Who can't relate to that?
You know he could turn it on. Man. I've seen
him in this element. I've seen him getting after it.
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you got? Penn State's gotten there? You haven't gone. Yeah,
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that's a tough round one matchup. Man, I don't know. Uh,
they'd be all right. My wife's got Penn State going
to the final four. Yeah, I swear to god. Well
they're a friend. Yeah what a friend of the program's
sweet sixteen? You know. Not confident, I mean that's confident.
Who they have to beat them? They have to be
a two seat coming out. Uh, they gotta beat what
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That's Texas. They got Texas Texas. Okay, they've got who
just work hit twelve. Um, they've got their second round game,
john Us. Yeah, you follow the bracket. I believe they
have to play the two seed, which yeah, which is Texas. Yeah,
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so it will be Texas and it would be Penn State.
I'm trying to figure out, Like on my bracket it
shows that I have Texas A and I'm winning. I'm
trying to figure out why that is. Why would I
do that? I don't know. I don't know. That's interesting,
I'll be honest, LeVar, I really contemplate that one for
a while. I did too, I love Buzz Williams though, man,
I just I'm just a big fan of his. Has
nothing to do with our relationship. It purely has to
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he's he preaches stuff as a coach. I feel like
everyone needs to hear every day. I put it that way.
Yeahs Udge, you we get to see how this shakes out,
and uh, we'll let you know how sticks what his
selections are. No, you're not, as we do. I'm going
at least all us your final four dude. Nope, why
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maybe I will. I mean I just log on the
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But I don't want you to see it. By the way,
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good final four like ten years ago. So I'm a
little bit outdated with what do you like do Kentucky,
North Carolina Duke's there, but so is Gonzaga, Houston and Arizona.
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So not awful except for the day that Houston basketball blade. Yeah,
very trendy, like five seed to make a run, right, Yeah,
which means they'll lose they're opening round. Yeah, it's if
you're a shocky kind of guy. You know, you got
the blue Bloods. That's that's your status quo for you. Yeah,
I mean yeah, but that's the Ohio eight underdogs. It's okay,
that's all right. Well, I mean that's Charleston's of the
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world and everyone else like they just they got no shot.
Ye College of Charleston beating San Diego State in the
opening round. Unfortunately I got them going against Virginia and
round two and then they're gonna lose there. And I
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they're describing, they're going through the entire night what they're
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That's Michael Blackson did a spoof on it. Yeah, thank you, Berto.
I mean, why does it have to be back? That
is his name? Okay, so that's opposite to Homie. Yep,
that is his name, Mike. All right, all right. So
here's a story in the world of football for you.
(36:26):
Probably not a good good sign for something that's happening
coming up here a little over a month. So Jalen
Carter had his pro day at Georgia yesterday and reportedly
came in nine pounds heavier than he was at the
combine and he couldn't finish his workouts because of cardio
issues and cramping. Well, I mean, how long ago is
(36:50):
a combine? Wasn't that long ago? Right to go a
couple of weeks? Okay, that's Southern food will get you though, Man,
I get it, but U you know, it feels like
it's kind of an important time to go ahead and
put the fork down and get ready to write the
good time to put the fork don especially when you
know you have all these other things that are happening
off the field. Unless this was all strategic because he
(37:12):
wants to drop down to number nine so the Bears
pick him, Unless that's what this is, I don't. This
just feels like it's heading in a bad direction. To
My question is how far does he actually drop? Is
this concerning enough to where you're like, he's off my
board in the first ten fifteen picks? Is that? Is
that where this is headed to? When it comes to Jaco,
(37:32):
I think they have a follow up workout team. Team
will come individually and work him out, and they'll be
able to judge for themselves. That's my feeling on it.
He's a tremendous talent. The tape's great. The protea wasn't good. Okay,
we've seen some bad protis before. Guys still get trapped,
guys still show out in the NFL, So I don't
want to read too much into it. I mean, this
(37:52):
should be a time of year where you're in tip shop,
top shape, you're doing all the right things while you're
being evaluated in till April. But I mean teams will
continue to dig in on this, but it does only
light I guess more of a fire too. The thought
during the season, and I forget who said it. I
don't know if it was was Tomic sh who said
(38:13):
he's got some you know, off the field issues and
you were like, all right, what does that really mean? Well,
at the time of which he said it, the whole
car incident that we heard about that that happened after
the National Championship game, so that wasn't a part of it.
So it leads you to think there's maybe even more
out there. And you know, not showing up for a
proto in shape and overweight. I mean nine pounds is
(38:33):
a big on a big guy. I mean, LeVar, you
played lineback. I'm sure you saw d lyman who fluctuated
in their way to a decent amount. Yeah, I mean,
if you can, if you can carry it. You can
carry it. If you can't, you can, I mean it
sounded like he couldn't. I mean, listen, I said the
market spoke on him when Chicago traded out of the pick.
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So whatever it is people experienced being around him, or
what they saw or what they uncovered or new informationally speaking,
he was not going to be the number one overall
draft pick like that. That ship sailed on him, and
I don't know where he goes. I know we mentioned
(39:17):
Arizona as a possible landing space. I'm just not sure.
And maybe the extent of it is now beginning to
come out, and maybe it's starting to show which on
his behalf or whoever is advising him, or who's around him,
and most importantly himself should be holding himself to an
(39:40):
expectation and a standard of where he's overly prepared, not
under prepared, not underwhelming, over prepared, overwhelming with everything that
he does. You have the opportunity of a lifetime and
all your right hair, your right hair at it, and
(40:00):
all you have to do is be prepared and and
stay stay out of any type of situations that would
would lend to you not being considered a top guy. Like,
that's that to me, You've done the hardest work to
get to this point, and why would why would you
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allow yourself to not be in shape? And I mean,
this is twenty twenty three, like workout, workout, God, like
this is this is such a different era. People work out.
That's like what athletes do these days. And I know
that sounds weird to say, but like when I was
coming up, we worked out, the specialized working out. The
(40:47):
amount of working out that this generation of athletes they
do is essing on what what we did when I
was younger. It's not even close the amount of work
that these guys are putting in in the off seasons.
It's like everybody's got a personal trainer these days. You
(41:08):
go to the school and you work out with your
school trainers, but then you're leaving school and you're going
and you're working with specialists on you know, ply it
metrics and bio whatever mechanics and this down the other
and stretching this and how your foot touches the surface
of the ground and all these different things that my
(41:29):
brother and my nephew plays junior college football. And my
brother was telling me about all the different things he
goes to throughout the week, he's got like three sessions.
It's it's, it's it's I don't want to say it's ridiculous.
It's just where sports where it is, and how important
it is for these these guys and these young aspiring
(41:50):
athletes to be as prepared as possible, and so for
him to come in, you know, out of shape, overweight,
is it? Is it a terrible thing? It's it's I
would say, it's not the worst thing ever. Guys have
shown up out of shape before. But is it a
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is it a missed opportunity where you know you're in
a quarterback heavy top ten, you know, top of the draft,
you know, draft class, It's a missed opportunity, That's what
I would say. Yeah, I just I don't think he's
going one number one regardless of what the quarterback needs. No,
there's just too many teams. But even if he was
(42:31):
like the best, it just you don't see those guys
leap frog a quarterback, you know, especially if if a
team really needs them. So I think it's gonna interesting
to see if Arizona takes them, you know, for a
team that hasn't done a ton in free agency so far.
Um you know, they let Zach Allen go to Denver.
That was tough Byron Murphy. They lost out, he moved on. Um,
(42:53):
they've they've got some holes now and that's a team
that could really use his talent skill set. So if
they stay hood, I could still see them taking him
at three. God, so he's gonna drop. Do you think
he drops out of the top ten because you've got
obviously yeah, Well no, I'm just I'm just saying, do
you think there's a possibility he drops out of the
(43:14):
top ten? No, because the dropoff on safe from watching
him compared to the other D tackles is significant, like
every other D tackle Like um can see the kid
out of Pittsburgh. He's awesome, fun to watch, really undersized
for some of the splash plays you see. There's times
you see him get maulled. He's likeay, two hundred and
eighty pounds, you know, Brazie solid player, not to the
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ability of Jalen Carter, like completely different category or different
tier if you will. The only thing I would say
to that is they might not take a defender, they
might take an offensive lineman. They might go O line
instead of D line, and that would be the possibility
of where he could end up dropping out of one
of those top picks. How is the old line in
(43:57):
this draft? Because you've got the kid Northwestern? Is it Scronsky?
And then Paris Johnson is the guy out of Ohio State?
Dwan Jones the other one? Okay, so how how are
they are? Those top tier linemen are just in this class?
Those are the top of the top. Uh. And then
this class, I mean, Scronsky is pretty good. The problem is,
you know you're playing a Northwestern. Um. They've actually been
(44:18):
throwing the football more than the half of late So, UM,
take that for what it's worth. I don't know that
you're you're walking away saying, hey, they've got a bunch
of first ballot Hall of famers in this class. That's
not um, that's not necessarily the conversation around the tackle class.
It's good. Um, there's some some depth in some spots,
but this isn't one of those classes that has that
like surefire guy that you could take number one overall
(44:41):
like we saw at Jake Long, like we saw some others.
But again, going back to those draft classes way back
when different time. You know, it's two thousand and eight
and you know, and and the era where again, if
there's a quarterback need at the top of the draft,
teams are moving up. Our teams are drafting them, whether
they're fully sold on that guy or not. Pat Fitzgerald
was campaigning for the Bears to take Scronsky at number
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nine at the Pro day there, so he'd like, surprising,
do you want to explain to the Matts suit Pat
Fitzgerald is, well, you know, he's a Northwestern head coach,
you know, And again, Saint Patty's week another guy who's
out there. You know, he's shopping around trying to let
everybody know he's got a guy. I believe Fitzgerald is irish.
Is that correct? Probably who cares? But point being, there's
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some speculation about where that where that heads. And then
you know, the odds would say, if you go to DraftKings,
you've got Will Anderson, who's the favorite to go be
the first defensive player to selected. And then you've got
Jalen Carter too, So that's where that has shifted. Fox
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Joe with LaVar Arrington, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. So Aaron Rodgers made his appearance yesterday
on The Pat McAfee Show starring AJ Hawk and just
kind of took us through what's been happening over the
(00:23):
past couple of weeks several days. And there's a bunch
of different things that we can look at as far
as what he said. But here was Aaron Rodgers discussing
with the guys, the retreat, the decision, and where things
stand when it comes to his desire to want to
play and whether that'll be in Green Bay or with
(00:44):
the New York Jets. You know, I got admit I
went to the darkness ninety percent, retiring at ten percent point.
That's where my mind was. My mind was I'm tired
of saidn't got back into my workouts yet, and I
thought that that was what was best for me. When
I came out of the darkness, something changed. I'm not
exactly sure what that was, but something changed. I got
back to my phone after five days off of it,
(01:07):
I realized that there'd been a little bit of a shift.
I heard from multiple people that I trust that there
was some shopping going on. They were interested in actually
moving me. The packers granted, obviously permission for the Jets
come out and visit. We had a nice visit. I
told them, listen, I'm not ready to make a decision
about anything. I want to get back into my workouts
and see how it feels, you know, to really hit
it hard for a week, and then I'll see where
(01:30):
we're at at this point. As I said here, you know,
I think since Friday, I made it clear that my
intention was to play, and my intention was to play
for the New York Jets, and I haven't been holding
anything up at this point. It's been compensation that the
packers are trying to get for me and kind of
digging their heels in. So there we go. It's all
on Green Bay, digging their heels in on some comp
(01:52):
that they would like in return for Aaron Rodgers if
he's going to go play for the New York Jets.
So that is the update from Aaron Rodgers himself. Well,
I mean it's true. I mean, look, here's the problem
with the situation between the Packers and the Jets. There's
no other pitters. There's there's no one else helping to
push this up to what the Green Bay Packers want. Unfortunately,
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Mark Murphy already publicly stated that the Packers want to
move on. I mean maybe that was in some ways
publicly stated when they drafted Jordan Love in the first place.
I mean, at least if you listen to Aaron Rodgers
and how he just you know, talks about his entire experience,
which you know, he touches on the fact that, look,
he was that guy before he gets it. He was
that guy that they took and late in the first
round and was there waiting once Brett Faber moved on.
(02:39):
So he's been through this before. He's seen it before,
the differences the front office and the people there. And
I think that's what was interesting about the conversation is
he's very understanding of the fact that, like, he's not
their guy, he doesn't have the same you know, relationship
with those guys in the front office as he did.
Whether it's Mark Murphy who acts as as their owner
basically because there are a publicly owned team, or the
(03:03):
general manager in Brian Gudencun's whoever you want to touch on.
I mean, he went through a lot of names, but
the truth is he knew just like everyone else did.
The clock started when Jordan Love was traded up and
taken the first round of the draft. Now, if he
had had this past season, that first season, they probably
would have moved on, like he was right and bringing
(03:25):
that up and talking about it, because that's kind of
the sentiment that I got. But the reality is he
went back to pack MVPs, and so there's no way
Green Bay can move on. They have to. They have
to put up with them. They have to keep appeasing
him in the meantime, and I think there's things that
he was looking to do, knowing that the end was
coming and hoping that he could create change for the
future in the way they move on from players. And
(03:45):
you know his quote that he says often and it's true,
is it's a great profession. It's a tough business. And
even for a guy who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, right,
a Super Bowl champ, a four time MVP, and a
guy who's played for the Green Bay Packers longer than
anyone in the history of the organization. So it's it's
excuse me, it's it's interesting that you know, now you
(04:06):
find yourselves in this position where Mark Murphy already said
they have no plans really if things don't work out
to have Green Bay or Aaron Rodgers there, and so
there's no one else helping to bid up for them
to get two first round picks. Yet the only thing
they have holding over the Jets is the ability to
hang on d Aaron Rodgers all the way up to
the season, and they could dragged this thing out forever
(04:27):
because the option bonus in the way it's it's worked,
or the language within his contract they doesn't have to
kick in until later on this year. Yeah, and that's
so that's the biggest key here to Well, that's part
of it. But I think the other thing that people
are overlooking is if you're the Packers and you're starting
Jordan Love and you want to make a decision on
him because you have to now right, you know, this
(04:48):
is now a time where you've got to figure out
if he's your guy or not. And you go past
the draft before you trade Aaron Rodgers, you're only hurting him,
You're only hurting yourselves because now instead of potentially getting
a draft pick this season, you know you're now looking
off into the future, and so you're not really helping
to continue to build out around the quarterback position where
he probably needs more help than Aaron Rodgers necessarily did
(05:10):
in that spot. I think it's personal here, though, and
if it's business, it's one hundred percent on par with
what you're saying. If it's just business, get your compensation,
get them out of there, and move on. Everybody go
their separate ways, and you can kind of walk away
from this pretty much. Everyone comes out of it, and
(05:36):
you're not looking at green Bay and saying, Okay, green
Bay is you know, on the wrong side with the
fans or Aaron Rodgers on the wrong side with the fans.
As to how this was handled, I think if I'm
looking at it from the emotional standpoint of it, Aaron
Rodgers embarrassed that front office last season coming into the
(06:00):
year was it last year, the year before it was
the year before last year he came Nige. Yeah, it
came Nick Cage, Nick Cage last year or the year
before which when he came in with that that he
came in with a full fledge. Yeah, don't don't do that.
Con here, Nick Cage. His Flamethrower was on point with
(06:21):
how he talked about what he represents the Green Bay
and and what were to happen if he weren't in
Green Bay, Which is kind of interesting because you're only
one season removed, well really two seasons, but he played
that season. You're one season removed after that from those statements.
And I just wonder with them having the ability to
(06:44):
hold on to the situation until September one, are you
because again, it helps you to be able to be
able to get this year's draft picks compensation going like
like you said, Q, but that also is you're also
impacting what the Jets are going to do. So if
(07:06):
you go beyond, if you go beyond the draft, if
you drag this out that far, do the Jets go
cold on on the Aaron Rodgers deal? Do you do?
You do you mess yourself up? They so all in
bed on this. There's no chance you think they would
take the chance of waiting until sept thix. First, they
(07:26):
are waiting until this whole thing comes around. This, this
whole thing is in essence done. It's just a matter
of when. And I don't think it's going to go
up to September one. Who do you think would be
the most petty, Well, it's the Green patty. The Jets
do only because Green Bay knows they know what their
situation is. Because I saw Albert Brier and I wanted
to ask him this because he sent a tweet later
(07:49):
on and I saw him send a tweet that says, well,
Aaron Rodgers gave the Packers the most important thing. He
gave him leverage. And I'm thinking to myself, did he
because it felt like Mark Murphy kind of shot that,
you know, and and blew the tire on that car
on Friday when he aired it out and just said,
oh yeah, our plan is to not have Aaron Rodgers back.
That's the ideal situation. So I just don't know how
(08:11):
Green Bay's got the leverage here. They're almost kind of
in a similar spot. But I feel like, ultimately this
deal's got to get done because they need to move
on and then the Jets need to figure out who,
if he who their quarterback's going to be. Obviously it'll
be Rogers, but they need to get it done. And
so one of the stories that's out there, I saw
that the compensation they're looking at is similar to Matt
(08:31):
Stafford where they got two first round picks for Matt
staff But here's the difference is you know in that
in that event, the team that was looking to move
on from Jared Goff was absorbing this contract. Yeah, right,
like that was part of it. That's that's this isn't
the same scenario. You know, like this this has nothing
to do necessarily with as much about money outside of
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a clause. The Packers are twenty million under the cap,
so they're good for now. What this prevents them from
ultimately doing is outside of the draft capital they could
get in exchange for Aaron Rodgers. There's also the element
of that they can't spend as much on free agents.
Like if you can't understand how much cap space you've
got going into this year, because you don't know how
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long it's going to take to be able to get
to that point depending on when this all works out,
you know, you're kind of in a difficult spot if
you're the Packers too from a free agent signing standpoint,
which how many free agents that they've been able to
sign at this point, I haven't heard of any. Have
they made any spotses? No, So that's the other point
of like you know, when you look at who has
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the leverage here, Well, it doesn't seem like green Bay
does because they've already admitted they want to move on
from him. He's made clear the destination that he wants
to go to. There's only one bidder. The only thing
that helps out green Bay is if there's another team
or two that gets desperate and wants to come in
and try to sign Aaron rodd just to help build
up that price, then maybe that forces the New York
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Jets hands and they've got act quicker than they want to.
Let me ask you this, what's the hit on them?
If let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that
the deal fell through and they were just going to
release Aaron Rodgers before September. First, let's just say that
played out. What would that cost green Bay? That would
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be a dead cap hit of a one hundred million dollars. Yeah, yeah,
So they're not releasing them, right, and he actually counts
thirty one point six million against the cap. So there's
your answer right there. That's that's where the answer lies.
So just to say that they could try to carry
this out or carry this on until September one, that
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number right there, says that the Jets have all of
the leverage, because why would you if you're committed to
moving on from Aaron Rodgers, why would you chance getting
getting caught up with that, like you said, when you
only have one bidder on the table, like it takes on.
So I think there's a greater talking point here too,
that Aaron was touching on that that people aren't focused on,
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and I think people are just they only care about
it's the compensation, the money, everything else. He pointed out
the fact that look, he's been the longest tenured Green
Bay packer, he's arguably, in his words, the best green
Bay packer. Some may say is somebody say is. That's
up for debate, But he did kind of talk about like,
hey man, I've done a lot of good things for
you guys, can you just have some grace with how
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you move on from a player? Like I think that's
one of the points too he's making is this doesn't
have to be contentious, This doesn't have to be emotional.
This doesn't have to be a deal where you know
it's a it's a bad situation. Like I think a
portion of him looks at the draft pick of Jordan
Love and says, you wasted draft capital when I was
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about ready to win two MVPs on a guy that
was never going to help us, was never gonna help us,
and so instead of building more around me, you wasted
a draft pick on a guy that may or may
not be able to take over. But the reality is
now it's time to pay up. You can go ahead
and get something a little less all right in exchange
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for me. So you do the right thing based on
what I've done for you and have to deal with
the past. And it's not fair, and it's not like
that certainly will be fair. It's not like they were
sitting there and Jordan Love was the best player on
the board. They moved up, like they gave up picks
to move up to draft to Ordan Love. That's what
I'm saying. Like I remember the whole like they never
really drafted a wide receiver in the first round. There's
multiple opportunities to draft the more talented guys, you know,
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to come in and be a part of that. I mean,
like Christian Watson they finally got this past year. But
you know that was he was one everyone knew he
was gonna be a little bit more of a project,
you know, And he came out at the end of
the year. You saw the speed, you saw his ability,
But where's that three years ago? Where's that back in
twenty twenty, And so you could probably send some of
the frustration too, of dude, I've been here forever. I've
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been through you know, changes of essential ownership if you will,
as far as you know, who ends up overseeing it
all to Mark Murphy front office, change everything else. And
now the time where I've got a team that I
want to go to, we've probably got an idea of
how we're gonna work this thing out and then we
can move on, and you can move on. And yet
now you want to kind of trying to play games
at the end. And I don't know, maybe they feel
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like because of the whole immunization thing, and he kind
of drugged them through some stuff too. But again, like
once they made that draft pick, and Jonas, you and
I worked together and I said this back then, once
they made that draft pickI it was the clock started, yea,
and everyone knew it and it was just a matter
of time and just didn't work out the way the
Packers had hoped, and they were just waiting for one
subpar season quote unquote subpar season. He wasn't that bad,
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but one non MVP season and all of a sudden,
yet you know, we got to go to another direction
and he screwed up and had two back to back MVP.
The other thing that's kind of messed up is like,
you know, hey, guys, I'm going away for a bit,
all right, And then you got as me while were like, hey,
we should trade Brady. You know, I'm like, well, hold
on a second, like I thought we were good, and
then you come out of some hut in a dark
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room and like the next thing you know, they're shopping
you around, like because they know you don't have any
cell service or any up building to communicate with anyone.
It just it feels a little slick too on the
part of the packers and how they handled it. I
wouldn't if a guy and by the way, like if
he's working on his mental health and wellness whatever else,
and that's how he does it, Okay, you know, people
can say whatever they want, but to give him the
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assurance that they're gonna wait, and then he goes into
a hut for what three nights? I think he said
you know, four days or whatever it was. Yeah, and
then they just completely just shop him around and go
bind his back. It's kind of dirty. It seems really
dirty on the part of the packers and disrespectful to
hippies everywhere. I think, totally disrespectful from everybody involved. Be
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Albert Brier. Albert, Good morning, Happy turney day to you. Yeah,
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happy attorney today. Noah, my Alba Motter is not playing today.
I'll say, how far you got the books going, Frank,
how far you got the book eys going on by
standard this year? That's right? Still gamble on it done right?
And I see is that where it's going. No, not
even n I T this year, Brad. We weren't even
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good enough to make the n I so well. I
think I think I'm right there with you at mylater
So Albert, I got to ask you, when is this
trade going to get done between the Packers and the Jets,
because I think you had pointed out that you feel
like the Packers have the leverage here. So what's the
timeline in your mind that this deal gets done between
these two teams? Well, I actually I thought all along
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the deal was relatively workable. Um, now the Packers want
to be difficult about this. I think Aaron Rodgers sort
of as a parting gift fully gave them the ability
to do that yesterday. Because the Jets are really painted
into a corner now. They can't get Aaron Rodgers, you know,
Joe Douglas, Robert Salad. They can't afford to not get him.
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And so, you know, I think the big thing in
Aaron Rodgers contract right now is that fifty eight point
three million dollar option bonus, and that doesn't need to
be exercise fully guaranteed. So he's going to get it.
But that doesn't need to be exercised before September first.
Whichever team exercises it can exercise if any time between
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now and then, which gives the Packers a tremendous amount
of flexibility to trade him whenever they want to. In
addition to that, his cap hit actually goes up when
he's traded, so they don't get any extra flexibility from
trading him. So it doesn't even affect the way that
they're going to do business over the next couple of weeks.
So you know where I think like this was a
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really workable situation. Now the packers want to sort of
make it difficult and say, Okay, well, you know you're
operating as if you're the Jets quarterback, but we still
have your rights. And the Jets are sort of in
a position where they have to go and get you
now because that Derek Carson and Jimmy Garoppolos the world
are off the market. Well, you know, now you got
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to do what we want and you got to give
us what we want. So, you know, I think, in
an interesting sort of way, Aaron Rodgers might have made
things a little bit more difficult on the Jets yesterday. Now,
I think ultimately if hooves everybody to you know, get
closure here, the rank conclusion, and so you know, I
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think like after the dust settles and after maybe some
of the hard feelings that will come out of you know,
what we said yesterday, dissipate a little bit, a deal
get done. But you know, I don't think Aaron Rodgers
did the Jets a lot of favors when it comes
to leverage with what he said yesterday. Could you make
the case though, that Mark Murphy didn't either. I mean,
he's already laid his hand out, and that the fact
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that the Packers obviously going with Aaron Rodgers is not
their plan. And I would actually argue too, the Packers
haven't done it much of anything free agency, and we
can sit there and say like, well, hey, that's not
Brian Googoost what he does. That wasn't necessarily the case
when he first took over. He was much more active,
and I think you probably need to be more active
when you have twenty million in cap space and you've
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got a quarterback that's not going to raise the level
of people around him if you want to see what
he's capable of. So isn't there a thought process to
really no one having much leverage here? Only because of
the way Rogers and Murphy has played this thing out?
And I guess the last thing I'll just say, if
I'm the Packers and I'm sitting there looking at this
year's draft, and I could get a first round pick
and maybe a second round next year, whatever the case is.
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If I let this thing go past the draft, how
am I helping us evaluate Jordan Love? Yeah? Yeah, no,
I agree with that, Brot. But I think if there
was a first round pick on the table, this would
deal would be done. You know, I don't think there's
a first round pick, not as of right now. I
don't think it's like the thirteenth overall pick. I like,
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that's where the Jets pick is. Like, I don't think
that's on the table right now, Like it could be.
It could be button really like I think, like I
think like where this deal was going to be, and
I think where ultimately it may end up landing. It's
maybe the Jets second round pick, which is a forty
third overall pick, and then conditional picks down the line
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based on how Rogers plays, maybe whether he plays in
twenty twenty four. Um, I think that's where this I
think that's where this has been going. Now, Like could
that change now that maybe the Packers still that they
have a little bit more leverage and can play hardball maybe, um,
But because of the contract, because of the sixty million dollars.
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It's so old because of Aaron Rodgers age because you're
probably trading for I don't know, like a year or
two of him and not five or ten years of him. Um.
You know, I don't think that the thirteenth overall pick
has been part of the discussion yet from the Jet standpoint.
Now again, like that could change, but um, as of
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right now, now, like my guests would be like that
this is probably the framework of this deal would be
a second round pick and then conditional picks down the line. Again,
that could change now because the Jets have sort of
been painted into a corner. But um, but but I
think if the thirteenth overall think had been on the table,
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we'd be talking about things getting done pretty quickly. My
understanding is if he goes, it's not for a year,
he'll be there at least two that's my understing situation. Okay,
and I you know, but but you're still brading. You're
still saying though, you know, like if he goes, right,
like that's two years. That's not trading for like Deshaun Watson,
where when the Browns trader to Shaun Watson for better
or worse, they're trading for ten years of him. You
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know what I mean, we think I mean there could
be a massage table that gets in the way of
that album. I'm saying it's it's one Harmony massage table
that gets in the way of the whole situation. That's
a great brand. If you guys need a nice massage
table out your house, go with Harmony. I'm pretty sure
I can't stop by a grab Lab once next seven.
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He's got to hear about it for two years. Oh god,
if if what you're saying is correct, I mean, is
there a possibility And I asked this earlier with the guys,
is there a possibility that this deal could fall through
if they don't want to give up. If you're saying
they got to give up a first rounder and that's
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not on the table and that's what's holding things up,
you can look at it and say, all right, green
Bay is in danger in that risk of having to
pay Aaron Rodgers. Why would they do that? So now,
if you're saying you know what I mean, like, I
don't know. I don't think it happens. I don't think
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it comes to that. I don't like, I don't think
it comes to that, I think ultimately cooler heads will
for fail. But but look like you know, I mean,
the thing is, like, I think the situation between Aaron
Rodgers and the Packers got worse yesterday. Not that right,
I think we canna agree on that, would you guys?
It says personal like it got worse yesterday, and like
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so I think because of that, the Packers might feel
more emboldened now to play hardball. Now they have a
lot of runway to do a deal, right, like again
that money, they don't have to do anything until September first.
Do I think they're gonna wait that long? No? I
think ultimately cooler heads are going to prevail, and the
Jets and the Packers are going to get to the
are going to come to an agreement. I think Joe
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Douglas and Brian Good at this and they'll find a
way to do something creatively. They'll be fair for everybody.
But in the immediate aftermath of what happened yesterday and
what Aaron Rodgers said yesterday, like do I think by
Brian grew Goodacoons and Mark Murphy are a little hot
over this? Probably yeah, you know, And so, like I
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I think in the immediate aftermath. Again, like I think
that there's there's there's going to be I think it
just makes it a little harder to do the deal. Ultimately,
I think cooler heads are going to prevail on the
deal get done because that's what's best for everybody. It's
what's best for the Packers to get capital for him
that they can spend, like Brady said this year, to
help Jordan Law. It's best for Jordan Law. It could
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create a cleaner situation for him, and I think it's
best for the Jets of course to have Aaron Rodgers
on board and helping to recruit players there and ultimately
maybe even taking part in the offseason program, which obviously
he didn't do the last few years in Green Day.
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB Albert, we were talking a little while
(23:31):
ago about Jalen Carter's Pro day less an ideal comes
in nine pounds heavier than the combine, which was you know,
not that long ago, and then couldn't finish his workouts
because of cramping and cardio issues, and we were just
talking about how far he could potentially falls are a
chance maybe he falls out of the top ten. What
are you hearing from people you talk to? So Like
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when I was as a combine, I had more than
one person compare the situation to Warren Sapp and I
think that was nineteen right, thineteen four, um and Warren
Stapp Like for people who don't know, unfortunately I'm old
enough to remember this draft. But um, and I was
just about the hotel room situation. That's more recent. About
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the hotel room situation. It's another wrong that was more reason. Yeah,
but if you guys remember, if you guys remember, Warren
Sapp would have been like a top five pick, right,
and then the week that's and all that stuff that
came out, all the stuff that came out before the draft,
and he slipped. I think it was the eleven Yeah,
(24:36):
I think eleven or twelve overall. So, um, you know
a couple of people have compared this situation to that
situation where it's like he's not gonna fall out of
the first round. But like you know, if you're if
you're picking in the top seven or eight, you know
or are you gonna look at this hard and say,
you know, I I don't know, like you know, I'd
rather put it in the middle of fairway with Will Anderson,
(24:57):
who may be not as talented as Jalen Carter but
as clean as they come, you know, But Jaylen Carter
is not as good as Warren Sapp coming out of college. Like,
let's be clear here, Like that's an entirely different stratosphere
of a player. Jaylen Carter is well. J Carter is
really good. Like Carter is really talented. Though I'm not
saying SAP, but he's like, bro, he's not a SAP
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coming out. I'm making the I'm making the comparison LaVar
like just kind of conceptually what could happen. And that's
interesting because if he's being compared to a player that
was a better prospect, like in theory coming out in
his draft and and SAP slipped to outside of ten,
then what does that mean for a guy that you know,
(25:39):
like Jaylen Carter. So, I mean that's I think that's
pretty in an interesting comparison. And so here's what But
I think a lot of people would say, just in
the context of this year's class, like there are teams
that think Jaleen car is the best player in the draft, right,
no doubt no doubt the best prospect, so so like
I think, like if he I'll put it this way
(26:00):
to you guys, like I know for a fact they're
team's nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirty and that range, right
that we're thinking that, like you know, they're studying him,
but they're like, okay, like he's not going to be there,
so they weren't and now they're putting all the work in,
you know what I mean, Like because they're looking at
it and they're saying, all right, see he had the
(26:22):
arrest warrant, so before it was there are all these
questions about football character with him, right, and his makeup
and how he would fit into a team environment in
the NFL and all of that, right, those are the questions,
but nothing criminal. And then all of a sudden, the
thing happens at the combine and you couldn't say nothing
criminal anymore because there is a criminal investigation, right, and
(26:44):
then you come after out of that and less than
two weeks later this happened, right, Like I mean, I
don't know. You guys are pro athletes, you you guys
can help me here. If if guy didn't if a guy,
if what happened with Jay car at the combine with
the arrest warrant, wasn't a wake up call? What will be? Right?
(27:05):
Like if he still shows up to the pro day
like this, like right after what happened, If that wasn't
a wake up call for him like that, I have
to be at my very best for the rest of
the process. Like I don't know, Like if you're a GM,
wouldn't like alarm is being going off in your head
right now? Right? Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I have
a big dinner, I'll gain like four or five pounds
(27:25):
over now. Maybe he had a full rack of ribs.
Great point, I mean seriously, I mean, like boss hog,
I mean exactly, ever, like you could have all of
a sudden you could go up forty Well, I'm probably not.
My weight fluctuates a lot, so I'm probably not the
guy to ask on this one. Hold on, could you
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go nine pounds? And well how long was that after
the combine? What like two weeks? I mean so let me, yes,
two weeks ago? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's not that hard,
especially if you were like I feel like some guys
trying to get a targeted weight, especially for the bigger guys,
even some of the small. Yeah, but if you if
you add that to like you can't you can't finish
(28:05):
trails and you're not doing athletic testing. Yeah, can I
just maybe hit a big bullet chili for lunch? I
don't know. I mean, it's it's tough to be able
to tell, but it seems plausible. I mean, some turbolex
and and is green tea? Albert, before we let you go,
how banged up are you gonna get for Saint Patty's Day? Yeah,
(28:29):
come on, Albert, I'm I'm I'm I'm retired from Saint Patrick.
Loser that it's a it's a Friday, you got to
turn it out, come on the weekend. I don't believe
that my best story from Saint Patrick's So I had
a This is like probably my twin I was probably
twenty eight, twenty nine. I um, I think this is
(28:51):
a Saint Patrick's Day parade and um yeah. I got
started really really early and uh I pulled the old
Irish exit from this are. It had to be four
or five o'clock. I don't remember taking the tea the
subway there in Boston. I don't remember taking the tea home.
I woke up at eleven PM with like the TV
(29:11):
I'm full blast, all the lights in my apartment on,
I'm McDonald's fries all over my chest. That was like
that story, like the last big one for me. And
after that, I'm my card. I'm getting a little ah, well,
you know what that's that's a fun memory there. He
is the great Albert Breer, Albert, we appreciate it, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. He's a professional, fright, he
(29:34):
is a professional and he knows how to have a
good time as well too. At Albert Breer on twitters Albert,
We'll do to get an extra it is. He was
sad though we didn't have a technical glitch there. That's
the first time in a while. That's true. That's actually
kind of disappointing. That's true. It's not it's not football season.
It's not. He's not as busy, you know, he's not
like dropping the kids off and getting to me the
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real story of last week. So now I know exactly
what he was doing. But oh it happened last week.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that was because he was hot a run.
I think he forgot so he ran back and then
made it back in time. But I think he was
at a spot like ID bad Service. Oh oh, listen,
it worked out great this week. And the visual of
(30:17):
him having fries on his chest in his late twenties
with all the lights on. Who can't relate to that?
You know he could turn it on. Man. I've seen
him in this element. I've seen him getting after it.
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to everybody out there and sticks. The College Football Hall
of Famer is currently making selections. Is yea, how far
you got? Penn State's gotten there? You haven't gone. Yeah,
(31:23):
that's a tough round one matchup. Man, I don't know. Uh,
they'd be all right. My wife's got Penn State going
to the final four. Yeah, I swear to god. Well
they're a friend. Yeah what a friend of the program's
sweet sixteen? You know. Not confident, I mean that's confident.
Who they have to beat them? They have to be
a two seat coming out. Uh, they gotta beat what
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region is that? That's steal Kansas region. That's the UCLA
region or no, no no, no, that's that's the region below.
That's Texas. They got Texas Texas. Okay, they've got who
just work hit twelve. Um, they've got their second round game,
john Us. Yeah, you follow the bracket. I believe they
have to play the two seed, which yeah, which is Texas. Yeah,
(32:08):
so it will be Texas and it would be Penn State.
I'm trying to figure out, Like on my bracket it
shows that I have Texas A and I'm winning. I'm
trying to figure out why that is. Why would I
do that? I don't know. I don't know. That's interesting,
I'll be honest, LeVar, I really contemplate that one for
a while. I did too, I love Buzz Williams though, man,
I just I'm just a big fan of his. Has
nothing to do with our relationship. It purely has to
(32:30):
do with the fact that I'm a huge I think
he's he preaches stuff as a coach. I feel like
everyone needs to hear every day. I put it that way.
Yeahs Udge, you we get to see how this shakes out,
and uh, we'll let you know how sticks what his
selections are. No, you're not, as we do. I'm going
at least all us your final four dude. Nope, why
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maybe I will. I mean I just log on the
sea No, what do I mean? No, No, on the bracket.
But I don't want you to see it. By the way,
my final four feels like it would have been a
good final four like ten years ago. So I'm a
little bit outdated with what do you like do Kentucky,
North Carolina Duke's there, but so is Gonzaga, Houston and Arizona.
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So not awful except for the day that Houston basketball blade. Yeah,
very trendy, like five seed to make a run, right, Yeah,
which means they'll lose they're opening round. Yeah, it's if
you're a shocky kind of guy. You know, you got
the blue Bloods. That's that's your status quo for you. Yeah,
I mean yeah, but that's the Ohio eight underdogs. It's okay,
that's all right. Well, I mean that's Charleston's of the
(33:35):
world and everyone else like they just they got no shot.
Ye College of Charleston beating San Diego State in the
opening round. Unfortunately I got them going against Virginia and
round two and then they're gonna lose there. And I
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the button on that. I click a couple of black guys.
What what did you say? Black eyes? Whoa bro? I
can't go with you on that one, sorry, jes sets
oh Man racist? What happened there withalls from Juicy Juicy
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Juice Bro? That the clip that came out with the
two brothers. I didn't get a chance to watch it
as a good with Michael Blackson. With Michael Blackson, they're
they're describing, they're going through the entire night what they're
told to do. M oh the real account. Yes, I've
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been meaning to watch and I want to check that out.
That's Michael Blackson did a spoof on it. Yeah, thank you, Berto.
I mean, why does it have to be back? That
is his name? Okay, so that's opposite to Homie. Yep,
that is his name, Mike. All right, all right. So
here's a story in the world of football for you.
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Probably not a good good sign for something that's happening
coming up here a little over a month. So Jalen
Carter had his pro day at Georgia yesterday and reportedly
came in nine pounds heavier than he was at the
combine and he couldn't finish his workouts because of cardio
issues and cramping. Well, I mean, how long ago is
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a combine? Wasn't that long ago? Right to go a
couple of weeks? Okay, that's Southern food will get you though, Man,
I get it, but U you know, it feels like
it's kind of an important time to go ahead and
put the fork down and get ready to write the
good time to put the fork don especially when you
know you have all these other things that are happening
off the field. Unless this was all strategic because he
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wants to drop down to number nine so the Bears
pick him, Unless that's what this is, I don't. This
just feels like it's heading in a bad direction. To
My question is how far does he actually drop? Is
this concerning enough to where you're like, he's off my
board in the first ten fifteen picks? Is that? Is
that where this is headed to? When it comes to Jaco,
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I think they have a follow up workout team. Team
will come individually and work him out, and they'll be
able to judge for themselves. That's my feeling on it.
He's a tremendous talent. The tape's great. The protea wasn't good. Okay,
we've seen some bad protis before. Guys still get trapped,
guys still show out in the NFL, So I don't
want to read too much into it. I mean, this
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should be a time of year where you're in tip shop,
top shape, you're doing all the right things while you're
being evaluated in till April. But I mean teams will
continue to dig in on this, but it does only
light I guess more of a fire too. The thought
during the season, and I forget who said it. I
don't know if it was was Tomic sh who said
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he's got some you know, off the field issues and
you were like, all right, what does that really mean? Well,
at the time of which he said it, the whole
car incident that we heard about that that happened after
the National Championship game, so that wasn't a part of it.
So it leads you to think there's maybe even more
out there. And you know, not showing up for a
proto in shape and overweight. I mean nine pounds is
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a big on a big guy. I mean, LeVar, you
played lineback. I'm sure you saw d lyman who fluctuated
in their way to a decent amount. Yeah, I mean,
if you can, if you can carry it. You can
carry it. If you can't, you can, I mean it
sounded like he couldn't. I mean, listen, I said the
market spoke on him when Chicago traded out of the pick.
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So whatever it is people experienced being around him, or
what they saw or what they uncovered or new informationally speaking,
he was not going to be the number one overall
draft pick like that. That ship sailed on him, and
I don't know where he goes. I know we mentioned
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Arizona as a possible landing space. I'm just not sure.
And maybe the extent of it is now beginning to
come out, and maybe it's starting to show which on
his behalf or whoever is advising him, or who's around him,
and most importantly himself should be holding himself to an
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expectation and a standard of where he's overly prepared, not
under prepared, not underwhelming, over prepared, overwhelming with everything that
he does. You have the opportunity of a lifetime and
all your right hair, your right hair at it, and
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all you have to do is be prepared and and
stay stay out of any type of situations that would
would lend to you not being considered a top guy. Like,
that's that to me, You've done the hardest work to
get to this point, and why would why would you
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allow yourself to not be in shape? And I mean,
this is twenty twenty three, like workout, workout, God, like
this is this is such a different era. People work out.
That's like what athletes do these days. And I know
that sounds weird to say, but like when I was
coming up, we worked out, the specialized working out. The
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amount of working out that this generation of athletes they
do is essing on what what we did when I
was younger. It's not even close the amount of work
that these guys are putting in in the off seasons.
It's like everybody's got a personal trainer these days. You
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go to the school and you work out with your
school trainers, but then you're leaving school and you're going
and you're working with specialists on you know, ply it
metrics and bio whatever mechanics and this down the other
and stretching this and how your foot touches the surface
of the ground and all these different things that my
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brother and my nephew plays junior college football. And my
brother was telling me about all the different things he
goes to throughout the week, he's got like three sessions.
It's it's, it's it's I don't want to say it's ridiculous.
It's just where sports where it is, and how important
it is for these these guys and these young aspiring
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athletes to be as prepared as possible, and so for
him to come in, you know, out of shape, overweight,
is it? Is it a terrible thing? It's it's I
would say, it's not the worst thing ever. Guys have
shown up out of shape before. But is it a
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is it a missed opportunity where you know you're in
a quarterback heavy top ten, you know, top of the draft,
you know, draft class, It's a missed opportunity, That's what
I would say. Yeah, I just I don't think he's
going one number one regardless of what the quarterback needs. No,
there's just too many teams. But even if he was
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like the best, it just you don't see those guys
leap frog a quarterback, you know, especially if if a
team really needs them. So I think it's gonna interesting
to see if Arizona takes them, you know, for a
team that hasn't done a ton in free agency so far.
Um you know, they let Zach Allen go to Denver.
That was tough Byron Murphy. They lost out, he moved on. Um,
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they've they've got some holes now and that's a team
that could really use his talent skill set. So if
they stay hood, I could still see them taking him
at three. God, so he's gonna drop. Do you think
he drops out of the top ten because you've got
obviously yeah, Well no, I'm just I'm just saying, do
you think there's a possibility he drops out of the
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top ten? No, because the dropoff on safe from watching
him compared to the other D tackles is significant, like
every other D tackle Like um can see the kid
out of Pittsburgh. He's awesome, fun to watch, really undersized
for some of the splash plays you see. There's times
you see him get maulled. He's likeay, two hundred and
eighty pounds, you know, Brazie solid player, not to the
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ability of Jalen Carter, like completely different category or different
tier if you will. The only thing I would say
to that is they might not take a defender, they
might take an offensive lineman. They might go O line
instead of D line, and that would be the possibility
of where he could end up dropping out of one
of those top picks. How is the old line in
(43:57):
this draft? Because you've got the kid Northwestern? Is it Scronsky?
And then Paris Johnson is the guy out of Ohio State?
Dwan Jones the other one? Okay, so how how are
they are? Those top tier linemen are just in this class?
Those are the top of the top. Uh. And then
this class, I mean, Scronsky is pretty good. The problem is,
you know you're playing a Northwestern. Um. They've actually been
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throwing the football more than the half of late So, UM,
take that for what it's worth. I don't know that
you're you're walking away saying, hey, they've got a bunch
of first ballot Hall of famers in this class. That's
not um, that's not necessarily the conversation around the tackle class.
It's good. Um, there's some some depth in some spots,
but this isn't one of those classes that has that
like surefire guy that you could take number one overall
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like we saw at Jake Long, like we saw some others.
But again, going back to those draft classes way back
when different time. You know, it's two thousand and eight
and you know, and and the era where again, if
there's a quarterback need at the top of the draft,
teams are moving up. Our teams are drafting them, whether
they're fully sold on that guy or not. Pat Fitzgerald
was campaigning for the Bears to take Scronsky at number
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nine at the Pro day there, so he'd like, surprising,
do you want to explain to the Matts suit Pat
Fitzgerald is, well, you know, he's a Northwestern head coach,
you know, And again, Saint Patty's week another guy who's
out there. You know, he's shopping around trying to let
everybody know he's got a guy. I believe Fitzgerald is irish.
Is that correct? Probably who cares? But point being, there's
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some speculation about where that where that heads. And then
you know, the odds would say, if you go to DraftKings,
you've got Will Anderson, who's the favorite to go be
the first defensive player to selected. And then you've got
Jalen Carter too, So that's where that has shifted. Fox
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