March 28, 2023 • 44 mins
On today’s 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Lamar Jackson says he requested a trade on March 2nd but his public perception continues to take hits. Brian Gutekunst gives the Packers side of the story when it comes to communication Aaron Rodgers. And the NFL looks into fixing rules behind Roughing the Passer and the “Tush Push,” but don’t expect any real change.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on Fox Sports Radio.
Good Morning Morning. How we feeling. How's everybody feeling? Yeah,
feeling good. Everybody fired up right in rock. You know,
LaVar Arrington yesterday said he's tired of the Lamar Jackson stuff.
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There's no other angles, there's no other layers. Yeah he did, Yes,
he did. So this is the situation currently going on
in Baltimore, and the timing was a little interesting. Right
about the time John Harbaugh was ready to meet with
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the media, Lamar Jackson decided, you know what, I'm gonna
go to Twitter and I'm gonna let everybody know kind
of what's going on behind the scenes. So Lamar Jackson
wrote the following on social media. A letter to my fans.
I want to first thank you all for all of
the love and support you consistently show towards me. All
of you are amazing and I appreciate you all so much.
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I want you all to know not to believe everything
you read about me. Let me personally answer your questions
in regards to my future plans. As of March second,
I requested a trade from the Ravens organization, for which
the Ravens have not been interested in meeting my value.
And everyone that has met me or been around me, no,
I love the game of football and my dream is
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to help a team when the Super Bowl. You all
are great, but I had to make a business decision
that was best for my family and I. No matter
how far I go or where my career takes me,
I'll continue to be close to my fans of Baltimore,
Flock Nation, and the entire state of Maryland. You'll see
me again, and wanted to point out that the Ravens
organization has not been interested in meeting his value. That
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is where Lamar Jackson finds himself on social media dropping
that bombshell yesterday, to which John Harba then sat down
and of course the first thing that he was asked
about was the tweet from Lamar Jackson, and this is
how everything went down there in Phoenix. I haven't seen
the tweet. That's ongoing process. I'm following it very closely,
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just like everybody else is here and looking forward to
a resolution. I'm excited thinking about Lamar all the time.
I'm getting ready for Lamar that's what I'm doing in
our offense. We've got a new offensive coordinator, very excited
about Todd Munkin. We're in the we're in the lab
right now building the offense and putting it together with
the terminology and the plays and things like that. And
that's what you focus on, is commedy decision to go
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with Lamar Jackson five years ago. Right Why? Because we
love him. We love him, we love the way he plays,
we love his mindset, his charisma, his style, either way
he's in the locker room, everything about him. We love him.
I love him personally. I love being the coaching the
team that he's playing quarterback for it. So there we go.
That's the situation in Baltimore, a little bit messy, would say,
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a little bit of a problem with everybody involved. It's
hard for me to listen to a tweet like that
and take it with any seriousness. I mean, for starters,
I mean, he wants out so bad. He's got a
guy selling home Jim equipment. He's got calling around on
his behalf to other teams, the Dolphins, which I know
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for a fact he's trying to get in touch with him. Obviously,
Lamar's from South Florida. And that's where this Ken guy lives.
It's a two for one a he signed. Lamar will
give you a bow FlexE go ahead. Any other than Ken? Well,
you told me off off air. You told me off
air about Ken. Yeah, it's a great point. Confused, Oh,
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it does goes with Barbie, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Or or Cathy or is it Cathy cars which one's
the one that is always in people's business and caring? Yeah,
but didn't you tell me that Ken is a Karen?
Isn't that the male version of Kenny's Karen's husband? Yeah, yeah,
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I'm not quite sure. Yeah, I don't know. I thought
you told me that off the air. Joe Jonas would
definitely not me. That wasn't you. That was you that
told me that. Some call them Kenny Knox. Yeah, Big
Big k Knox or Kenny Kenny Power Knox. Yeah, how
about that. That is a great point. A lot you
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could do with that name. But there's not a lot
you can do with Lamar Jackson's tweet at this point
because apparently they're not interested in meeting. There's a few
things you could do with with the tweet. There are
a few things good you want me to say or
you you you want you said? I mean, I mean.
My takeaway from it was was basically, you either pay
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me my value or trade me because y'are not You
guys aren't trying to win a super Bowl, like I
don't think Lamar Jackson believes they can win a super Bowl.
So it's like pay me or bust. I think that's
what I took away from it. Can I can I
because because obviously that's what he's saying in this right
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that's what he's trying to say to them. Here's what's
so hilarious is anyone out there right now can literally
send it an offer sheet. If they really want Lamar,
they can send it an offer sheet right now to Baltimore,
and in essence, Baltimore would have to match it or
they would let him go and they get a couple
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of first round picks in exchange. That's what's hilarious. And
if anyone wanted to trade for him, they would have
put it in an offer. They would have tried to
make something happen at this point. You know why, because
giving up two first round picks for a quarterback who's
been an MVP, who's as young as Lamar is would
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be a steal. It's gonna take more than just two
first round picks to get a trade done, and yet
no one wants them. And so that's not to say
that the Colts or someone might not after the draft
if they don't get the quarterback they won, they might
not be interested in Lamar Jackson then, But the reality
is he, as in Lamar, has made this such a
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circus that he's made himself look bad in the process,
having a guy call up teams instead of just hiring
an agent or hiring an attorney who's certified by the NFLPA.
Turning down and talking about the offers, you've turned down
one hundred and thirty three million, fully guaranteed, which every
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single player in the history of the NFL would have
probably taken or at least strongly considered, and not tweeted
about it saying, oh it's not good enough. It's bizarre
to me the way things have gotten. But it's all
on him, And I think, if you're the Baltimore Ravens,
this is why you're hesitant you want to commit to
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him long term. It's it's these sorts of things that
he's doing right now that make this look so much worse.
I love Lamar Jackson, but this comes across as him pouting,
So you're like, harball, Yeah, I know that was in
my notes too, temper tantrum that was in my notes.
It like, doesn't it strike you as somebody who's literally
throwing a temper tantrum on social media because they didn't
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get their way and so now they're trying to direct
traffic over to a website so he can answer fans questions.
And like just the behavior that constantly going to Twitter,
you know, the buddy slinging bow flexes and a field
in Fort Lauderdale somewhere who's calling up teams trying to
get an offer sheet. I want to get a trade
without realizing the Ravens could just slap the tag on
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you and get a couple of first in return. Like
I love Lamar Jackson, love everything about him, but it
seems like he's pouting. That's how this comes across. Oh,
he's definitely not happy about where the situation is. I mean,
in an ideal situation and he gets the deal that
he wants, there is no drama and you continue to
move forward. It's in the moments where you don't get
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exactly what you felt you were worth, you don't get
it done in the manner of which you would want
to get it done. And when the way you handle
it at those situations, in those scenarios, in a lot
of ways, is a part of your your resume. It's
a part of your your reputation as well. And and
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so this has become a toxicum exchange, a toxic deal.
I almost feel like at this point it's getting maybe
it's there, but it's it's if not there, it's dangerously
close to it being so toxic that it's almost like
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you can't give him a contract, you you can't go
forward with him just based off of what he's he's
letting the public know, you know, in terms of how
he feels about Baltimore. I think that if you're any
other organization and you're watching this, that's a part of
his resume. Well, it's now a part of his resume,
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and that's that is a part of your interviewing process. Like, so,
you're right, it does create that that feeling from other
teams like why would I why would we want to
end up in the same scenario that Baltimore is in.
Right now, like when people, let's sit there and go, well,
justin Herbert, he hasn't won an MVP and they're starting negotiations.
He might sign a five hundred million dollar deal. Okay,
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so what Lamar deserves a five hundred million dollar deal
just because he's got an MVP. Look at all the baggage,
look at look at all what a team is going
to have to deal with with the way he's handled
this entire situation. No one wants it. The reality is,
you know what this isn't it's not professional, Like that's
how Lamar Jackson is coming off right now. It's not
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He's not being professional in any capacity. And let's just
take into account this. So March second, he makes his
trade request. Right Here's what the Ravens have done since then.
They've signed Nelson Aguilar, a wide receiver. They've brought in
Todd Munk in this offseason to revamp the offense. He's
one of the better and respected offensive minds. They drafted
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Rashod Bateman in the first round in twenty twenty one.
They've continually built up the offensive lineman around him. They
drafted Tyler Linda Baumber center in the first round of
last year's draft. They signed Zeitler in twenty twenty one
and Morgan Moses to help shore up their offensive line.
They've done nothing but try to continue to build this
team around his skill set to let him be successful.
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I mean, the reality is he's a special, dynamic player,
but he's not a player who's been able to excel
purely playing from the pocket. That's okay, no one's saying
he has to be. But to sit here and act
like Baltimore hasn't done a lot to help appease him
and help him win, you're lying. And so this whole
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thing right now comes off as incredibly unprofessional with the
way he's conducting himself. I think, regardless of if it
if it appears that Baltimore is doing the right thing
or not, it still comes down to the way you
handle it, right. I mean, you don't have to like
the way things are being handled. And I would just
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say because I you know, for me, I always support
the player, like I'm always player, pro player, but there's
also a way you go about doing what you're doing
and how you handle your business, and I just I
just feel like it's it's accurate, Like I can't I
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would love to be able to say like Q, like
that's that's not that's not it, like that that's that's incorrect.
This is a guy who deserves what he deserves. You
know what we would be saying if if Lamar Jackson
has it nothing and has been quiet the whole entire
time and at the best, at the best, have somebody
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who's at least certified so that certain rumors, if rumors
start to hit and you're doing things correctly, people will
be your mouthpiece for you. He's that good. He's that
good where people will be your mouthpiece for you. It's
like you gotta hold the line when you're in negotiations.
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You gotta hold the line. It's like you gotta wait,
like the whole saying, you gotta wait to see the
white of their eyes, like hold it, Hold Hold. He's
not holding. He's not holding, And it's sad and it's
unfortunate because regardless of if he's right or if he's wrong,
we'll start keeping scoring well, we'll start measuring differently than
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what we would have if we were being pro player. Now,
he puts he puts people like me, He puts people
in the media that will want to support and want
to back him up. He puts us in a non
it's it's we don't have any leverage. I don't have
any leverage to sit here and say, Lamar Jackson, he's right,
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he needs to be compensated. So on and so forth.
I could give a whole lot of arguments as to
why he should be paid just as much as any
other quarterback in the league, especially Deshaun Watson if he's
if you're using him as the barometer. But when you
start to come unrivaled and you start to say things
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like you basically sent out a thank you note, a
parting ways note. That's a college note. When I'm declaring
for the draft and I'm leaving school, that's a college note.
That's the note that you you send out to your fans,
and it's just to me. You're trying to defend yourself.
You're you're putting things out there that can't be taken back,
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and you're creating damage where now it's all about damage control,
and in these scenarios, there's no such thing as damage
control because you're negotiating. So it's bad. It's it's bad.
It could have been handled a whole lot better, And
I think less would have been way way more for
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Lamar Jackson than this scenario. You know Brady as a
big He's one of those guys that goes on Twitter
and scores fights. Like he'll be watching a boxing match,
He'll score the fight on Twitter. He'll watch a UFC fight,
he scores it on Twitter. If you're scoring this fight
right now between the Ravens and Lamar Jackson, he's down
on the cards and we're getting really late into the fight.
In fact, it's pretty much it's just bizarre to me
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when he talks about like wanting to be somewhere else.
I'm like, dude, anyone right now can submit an offer
to have you come play for them, and they are not,
Like Washington reiterated that they're not in on Lamar Jackson,
like teams are only coming out saying they're not in
on you and me. It has everything to do with
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the fact that when you look at every other quarterback
that's going to be signed, it's the manner in which
they're handing themselves. It's not about talent. Lamar is one
of the most talented players that has ever played this game.
It's about how he's conducting himself. If you're doing something
where you're causing teams to potentially be fined fifty thousand dollars,
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which basically you're doing something illegal. If that's how you
conduct business, I'm sorry this league doesn't want to work
with you. And and that's an essence what he was
doing by having some Ken guy sue slinging, you know,
gazelles around or whatever he's doing, call around teams like
it's the entire thing is incredibly, incredibly unprofessional, and that
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now plays a part in why teams might be hesitant
to give him the offer that he's looking for. Be
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Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Errington, and Jonas
Knox week days at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. The other
big story in the NFL that we've been monitoring and
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tracking throughout the course of the off season is the
Aaron Rodgers situation and whether or not there's going to
be some sort of a deal done with the New
York Jets. You've got Brian Goodacoon's the general manager of
the Green Bay Packers, who spoke yesterday at the meetings
and Phoenix, and he talked about just you know, not
necessarily going to be a number one pick. They're trying
to get value, still going through the motions. But what
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was interesting is he did talk about the plans for
the organization and how that might have changed following the
year because of an inability to reach one Aaron Rodgers,
you know, as we got out of the off season
or after the season, and we had a good conversation
and then we're gonna have some follow up conversations and
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our inability to reach him or for him to respond
in any way. I think at that point then we
just kind of had to had to do my job
and kind of reach out and understanding that the trade
could be possible and see it was interested. So I
think obviously it was a disappointing season, right and you
come out of the season, you have a lot of
conversations on we thereon, but with the rest of the team,
coaches and everybody, and then you go through that process
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you kind of get an idea of where you're going
to move to, you know, as a team, how you're
going to go forward. And I think I was really
looking forward to the conversations with Aaron to see how
you fit into that. Those never transpired. So, you know,
there came the time where we kind of had to
we had to make some decisions, so we went through
his representatives to try to kind of talk to him
where we were going with our team, and at that point, um,
you know, they informed us they would like to be
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traded to the Jets. So the Packers GM version of
the story is a little different than what Roger said
on Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk a couple of
weeks ago, which he said he got the impression that
they were ready to move on and that things had
changed once he got out of the darkness. So there's
now we're not really quite sure who the hell is
telling which side of the story and which side of
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the story is accurate. There so more more drama between
a star quarterbacks. This is a messy, toxic situation too
and a great and they're talking too, you know, and
it's it's I would say, the only difference here is
that's the difference. Well, there is no ken that that's
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a difference. Professionalism involved. It is a little bit more
professionalism and involved in this one. Um, and there are there.
There is a trade uh suitor that's involved in this
one as well. And oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers already got paid,
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you know, he already has has gotten the contract that
he wanted to get out of, out of the the
Green Bay Packers leading into um being where they're at
right now. It's it's a much more strategically sound position
that Aaron Rodgers is in, and I think he's handling
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it in a way that I mean, listen, I would
say less is more here as well, But Aaron Rodgers
is much further they're along in his career, which is
another element of this conversation. He's much further along in
his career. And for what it's worth, there is no
disputing what Aaron Rodgers brings to the table as as
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a player. Now, I will say this, Aaron Rodgers aired
out the the Green Bay Packers front office the year
before I guess what, the year before this one before
the Nick Cage entry into straining camp. I mean, there
are things that he has done that would be considered
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very toxic and could be a part of his and
should be a part of his resume in terms of
how other teams would want to deal with him. But
with that being said, he does have a team that
wants him, and it'll be interesting because, for what it's worth,
is as different as this may seem, the toxicity of
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this situation could lead to Aaron Rodgers being almost in
the same situation that Lamar Jackson is in, which is
you're stuck with your team. He could end up being
stuck with the Green Bay Packers and that would be
tremendously entertaining. But it would also be interesting to see
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how it all plays out. Yeah, I mean, maybe you
know a j Hawks should start slinging like Rogue Echo bikes.
You know that's in Columbus. I mean, why not like
make that happen if he wants to write present Rodgers
you know right point. Yeah, I'm just saying reference there
for you. Hi, hi, um. Look, these scenarios to me
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are two very different scenarios. You know, this is a
transaction that hasn't taken place because the compensation has been
recreed upon. However we got here, whether it was you know,
Rogers representation letting the team know he wanted to move on,
whether it's the Green Bay Packers organization now trying to
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save face in all of this it doesn't matter. Green
Bay has their quarterback in Jordan Love, even though Andy
Reid apparently wasn't aware of who that was during an
interview in the owners meetings. Aaron Rodgers is ready to
move on to New York, and it's just the trade
that's holding this whole thing up. So what that ends
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up being, everyone's trying their best to guess. You know,
everyone's making it about we'll pick this year. Next year's conditional. Okay,
Like okay, I mean, take your take your guess. I've
said before, if the thirteenth overall pick would get the
deal done, give it away. My whole my whole thought
behind that is if it's worth two years of Rogers,
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which again he's going there for two years, He's not
going to uplift his life to New York for one
and done, it's worth it. But again the Jets have
to be willing to give that up, and front offices
covet picks like no one's business. I mean, it's just
they love having draft picks, especially a thirteenth overall draft pick,
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because they could turn that into more draft picks, or
they could turn that into just sitting there and taking
the pick. I mean They love their draft picks. It's
like my little kids and their pop patrol toys. They
love them, like, absolutely love them. That's what how front
officers tree draft picks. They are obsessed with them. They
watch the show, they play with the toys. You take one,
it's gonna be a fight. So they're trying to figure
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out how they could come up with the right compensation
to make this work given that he you know, they
want to see how he performs, they want to see
how much he plays, and that's gonna be part of
this whole equation. But it'll get done eventually. The whole
Baltimore Lamar situation, I mean, unless there's another team involved,
there's really not much to talk about. And and that's
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the hard part is there's not another suitor, and there
easily could be. Like that's the biggest difference is any
team has the opportunity to throw it an offer right now.
You can make that case to Green Bay and maybe
there's another team that would want to thrown an offer
on Rogers, But he's already made it his public attention
to be in New York, and you know they're already meeting,
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and they've already had those conversations as signing players that
he wants. So I just I think they're two completely
different scenarios, even though we're both talking about quarterbacks. I
just don't know how anybody looks at us talking quarterback. Yeah.
I just don't know how anybody looks at this and
thinks this is just going to be a one and
done because one of the things that's been out there,
Charles Robinson says, well, you know, one of these sticking
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points for the Jets, Charles Robinson from YAH who covers
the NFL, one of the sticking points is, you know,
they want to have, you know, some confirmation that he's
going to be there for more than one year. You know,
they want to make sure that Roger this isn't just
a one and done deal. And they point back to
Roger saying that when he went underground to that gopher
hole and you know, weed smoke Oregan or whatever that
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town's called, that he went in there ninety percent retire,
ten percent wanting to come back. And so they're a
little bit hesitant, you know, that they want to pull
the trigger on a deal like this because they want
to know that he's all in. If he tells you
and you've got recent evidence of hey, got a chip
on his shoulder, guy's got a little bit of a
red ass. What did he do after they drafted Jordan
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Love and moved up? He went out and one two MVPs.
If I'm the Jets, that's all the evidence I would need,
and a simple conversation with the guy and then get
the deal done and move on with your lives. I
just I can't believe we're still at this point and
then no traction has been made. Can I ask this
of you guys? Have you ever felt about one thing
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and then you went on vacation, or you went into
a meeting, or you took a nap, I don't know,
did our radio show, and then you felt completely different
coming out of it. I mean, everyone's making a big
deal about the ninety ten, like, oh he was almost retired.
Oh my gosh, oh he was almost retired. It was like, okay,
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but have you've never in your life felt convicted about
something to ninety percent degree? I mean I've been agent,
I've been at one hundred percent out on something and
then I can recall just sitting there and maybe Rocky
came on and then that one hundred percent went the
opposite direction, and I got my ass up and went
to the gym. I was, I was one hundred percent out,
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one hundred percent out, and then I saw Rocky and
and it depended on which which one it was. Um,
if it was one that I really really enjoyed and
related to, and the workout music was was where I
wanted it to be. Yeah, I motivated. I got up. Um,
I checked on my knee to see how my knee
was doing. My knee has been feeling kind of bad. Man.
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I ain't gonna lie. I think it's a replacement deal.
But I just, uh, you know, I changed my one
hundred percent I'm out too, was one hundred percent in.
I mean, sometimes you just need the proper motivation. I
was engaged once in I was too, and then all
of a sudden, I realized, you know, this ain't gonna work.
I'm with you. Yeah, got out. I was. I was
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like ninety eight percent in it and even had a
baby with her, you know what I mean, And we
were done. I was like, what the other direction? I
think I was more like seventy seventy thirty. Uh, And
then I decided to get engaged because I got a
good deal on the ring. And then about you massa
freshman year of college. But I'm sorry, no, I was
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gonna say I was about the same age. Yeah, mistakes
are made. You ain't lying. Yeah, what are you getting
at there? I mean, I'm just saying, just as long
as you don't go all the way you know, and
stay there, A mistake is only a mistake if left uncorrected,
is what they say some people, that's what they say. Yeah,
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you get my point though, Like everyone so hung up
on the ninety percent retired, Okay, he wasn't one hundred percent,
Like did anyone see over the top? Yeah, Sylvester still
alone was damn near beaten, ninety percent beating Guess what?
He flipped the switch. He came back and he won. Great,
that's what he does. Yep. That's a point, like you
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can switch like Leavar did and get hup and go
to the gym. Go to the gym. Yeah yeah, I
mean obviously was sitch man dark hobbit hole. I mean
he had to probably line a candle. That was the
proverbial switch. But you get my point, right, Like we've
all been there where we felt one way about something
and I don't know. You take some time away from it,
you come back and you go, wait, what happened? What's going? Okay?
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I thought I felt this way, but now I realized,
like I want to go kick some ass, Like I
want to go and go play somewhere else and prove
to people that I can win a Super Bowl. I
still have it. There's nothing wrong with that. Like the
ninety ten thing. It's so bizarre how that's the hang
up right now for a lot of people out there,
especially in regards to the trade compensation. Be sure to
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one of the other coaches that was speaking with Sean Payton,
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who's the brand new coach of the Denver Broncos, and
he spoke about the roughing the passer issue and the
NFL and said the following quote, roughing the pastor I'm
not going to say it's a crisis, but whatever is
an X. Let's say crisis is level five. I'd say
level three. It's something we got to be better at.
So how do we handle that. So one of the
items is being able to possibly challenge roughing the passer.
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I think that's the one thing to me that stands
out that is really up and down. Now they are
going to be voting on this. They're going to be
voting on some other stuff that we can get to
at some point also some things that aren't on the
table to vote for. But the roughing the passer penalties
have been an issue, and it feels like this to
me seems like a no brainer. They need twenty four
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of these for it to get passed on whether or
not they can make roughing the passer penalties reviewable, but
I'm skeptical that we're going to see anything done or
that this is actually going to pass. For some reason,
I get a weird feeling it's not going to pass
and they're not going to have twenty four people agree
on it. Yeah. I just anytime we come to this
point in time in the year, it seems like we
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have these discussions about various rules that could be fixed
should be fixed, and the NFL usually sits on its
hands because the outrage behind some of the calls just
either goes away or people just put up with it.
And then the players that have to adjust to a degree,
which it's unfortunate for the players only because especially on defense.
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I mean, those are the guys that constantly have to
adjust their game and how they play, how they hit,
and ultimately face the consequences with the fines for a
lot of these measures. And I'm a quarterback and I'll
sit here and tell you I think the rule is
absolutely awful for the game. At some point, you got
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to realize there's depth at the quarterback on most rosters
for a reason. It's a contact sport. It's a collision sport.
You're gonna have hits where guys get hurt. You can't
wrap them in bubble wrap. This isn't the little giants.
When you wrap them up in one of those eight
carton mattresses and you send them off into into play,
they're gonna get hurt. And you know, I think you
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can figure out the difference between what's unnecessary as far
as how our player gets hit and what's just part
of playing football. And so, okay, make a reviewable. Great,
we did this with past interfere It's that went nowhere.
So that that's my concern about saying, oh, it's reviewable.
It doesn't matter. The NFL and Roger Goodell will continue
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to do what they want and how they want and
the way they implement that rule. So it's it's unfortunate,
but it feels like we're doing our best to wrap
up guys in bubble wrap and continue to push that.
And I get it. These are the faces of the league,
faces of the franchise. You know. Justin Herbert, we talked
about he might sign a five hundred million dollars deal.
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It's a lot of money. If he gets hurt in
a week two and he can't play the rest of
the season, that you feel like you're kind of paying
a guy and it's it's left on the table, right,
But it needs to change. Like to me, it's awful
the position that they're putting to the players in. I mean,
it's rules impact the game. This one in particular is
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it's I mean, when you touch a guy's helmet because
you're you're pushing through a blocker and you're trying to
to deflect the ball or and impact the way he
throws the ball, and you touch his helmet, not not
punch his helmet, not like egregiously or blatantly or trying
to take him out by punching him in the head.
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Like it's like stuff like that to me that you
can get rid of that, Like at the bear's minimum,
if a guy touches his head, you don't have to
call that penalty. Remember remember the Derek Carr Chris Jones
penalty where Chris Jones literally stripped him of the football
and got called for roughing the pastor yes he did
in possession of the ball and got called yes he did.
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It's just crazy, it's just it's too much. It's just
too much like as a defender, as a former defender,
you know, that the rules are the rules for a reason.
Everybody knows that. So you'll adjusting, you will adapt. But
some of this is it's not even at the point
where it's about adjusting and adapting as a defender, it's
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about the quality of the game. You're impacting the quality
of the game by doing this, And why would you
want to compromise the game in that way? Like he
touched his head. Okay, that's a grown ass man. Like,
so to me when you look at some of the intent,
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like you don't have to change the reviewing of roughing
the passer from the sense that you're right. If you're
going to pay a guy a half of being to
play football, you want him on the field and I
don't want him getting hurt. But at the same time,
you are paying guys to do a job and to
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play in a full contact sport. Like have we ever
heard of a rule that protects anybody on the ice
that way? Like that's full contact sport? Is there a
rule in place that protects certain guys like this guy
like Sydney Crosby. We need to make sure he stays
on the ice, so if you touch him anyway that's
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too physical and and and could actually hurt him, which,
by the way, we've seen a lot of that during
his career. You're you're going to get penalty time for that,
like we're gonna put you in the penalty box. We're
gonna make you pay for it. Like you don't see
that in hockey, Like to me, I don't. I just
don't understand why, why the competition or the rules committee,
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whoever it is that's making these rules for the quarterback.
I don't know why they've lost their way in understanding
that it's it's still football, Like it is still football.
Somebody else gets touched on their helmet, you're not calling
that flag. There's there's just certain things that only apply
to the quarterback, and which I understand certain things should
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apply to the quarterback. Great, But if it gets to
the point of where it's like come on, man, while
you're watching it, like, come on, if this doesn't get approved,
and again I'm skeptical, just as Brady laid out, because
we've seen the NFL have an opportunity to make things
right and somehow they figure out a way to f
the whole thing up. If this doesn't get approved and
you don't get twenty four votes from owners saying they
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would like to see roughing the past or penalties be
able to be reviewed. I give up, because at that point,
you're not It's not like you're saying, hey, official, you're
doing a bad job. You're just saying, hey, you made
a mistake, let's correct the mistake, we'll get it right,
and we're all good here. You're just giving people the
opportunity to do that if they can't see that this
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is going to benefit the game and benefit everybody involved.
I don't know what the hell is the point of
even arguing about this stuff anymore. It just it's gotten
to the point to where it just doesn't make any
sense to me. I don't I don't understand what else
you need to see before you realize there's nothing wrong
with getting these calls right and there You've seen all
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the turnover from officials in the NFL this year, Like
just this off season, I think there's ten different officials
that have walked away that have just it's like, wait, what,
like ten different guys have just decided, yeah, I'm out,
Like it feels like there's a real problem. It's not working.
Something is going on. Maybe deeper is sort of under
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the layers of everything else that's being messaged through the media.
But to see that much turnover just from officials in
this off season, that feels weird. If this doesn't pass,
that feels weird. They're just there's a lot of opportunities
to get these things right, and every single year we
have the same arguments, the same discussion, and nobody ever
gets it right. I don't get it. I really maybe
that getting it wrong is getting it right. Yeah, could be.
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I like that say that again, getting it wrong is
getting it right. Oh yeah, I mean that just could
be what it is. Yeah. Yeah, you know to no
fear t shirt, I think it's all fear tea. I mean.
The reality is the NFL usually only moves to make
changes when they're in discussions about player safety, and this
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is one where they're trying to protect their quarterbacks. So
they're not going to change it. You know, people can
be frustrated by it. They're not gonna change it. They're
gonna ask that the defensive players to change the manner
in which you know, they play the game. The toughest
thing is, too, is quarterbacks have become even more athletic.
You know, now every guy walking into the league's pretty mobile,
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so these guys are one or two things is going
to happen. Either, you know, you're gonna find a defensive
player who kind of gives up on a play or
thinks they've got him sacked and the play's not blown
dead and the quarterback extends the play. Or you're going
to see officials blow the whistle prematurely and then the
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quarterbacks is gonna be upset because they wanted to continue
to play, and the defensive players will be given a sack.
You're going to see more and more of that. That
sort of thing kind of happened because of this sort
of rule. The thing that's crazy to me is that
the QB sneak play the tush push. Yeah, they're not
doing anything. We have nine teams who have spoken out
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against it, saying it creates an incredibly unfair advantage for
the offense. Yet they're not touching it this year because
they don't have twenty four teams to support it, and
they need a unanimous decision by the Competition and Committee.
Which it's surprising because it really did make it almost
near impossible for teams to stop, whether it's the Eagles
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and Jail and hurts who utilize it the best, but
other teams who use the same strategy. I'm just waiting
for a player to get hurt and then finally they'll
be like, oh, okay, this isn't a safe and maybe
at that point they'll look to change that rule. But
it was discussed, it was talked about. You've got about
a third of the league's not a fan of it.
Yet you know it's still going to remain in there
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as well. You know, maybe the move here, if they're
waiting on an injury, have one of these officials blowing
ac joint, throwing a flag out of his pocket, and
now they'll just stop throwing as many flags. Maybe that's
what you need. You need some sort of an injury
to happen during the calling of a penalty, and that
way they'll put the flags away and we can get
a much cleaner game that without so much officiating. That
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might be the move here. And look the push play,
the tush push. I didn't come up with that name.
That's somebody else came up with that. I thought it
was now much more creative than I am. Somebody else
came up with that. But yeah, the rug beat now
the rugby scruff. Yeah, that play is going to be
around for a little bit. And so you and now,
how many players can they line up behind Jalen Hurts
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three max to try and push him over to get
a first out of me. I don't think there's a max.
I mean technically, you know you've got to have the
five offensive linemen and two other guys on the line seven.
So yeah, I guess three max would be three guys
pushed into one into into a pile, and that we're
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just gonna roll with that little rugby sirs came up
with liverloube though I didn't come up with tush push,
though it's a great Did you really come up with liverloob?
I feel like that's been around. I swear I came
up with liverloob, now I did. I'm not who else
to be heard say liverloube. I've heard that my grandfather. Well, okay,
I mean listen, I'm from the Midwest too. That makes
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some sense, you know, maybe we're speaking the same language.
I've never heard liverloob in my life, but you know
we have different backgrounds. Though. Do you think there's some
liverloob being taken in at these owners meetings in Phoenix
by some of the content. Man, what a sad uh
Orchids of Asia? Oh? Come on, wow? What? What? Wow?
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What I mean? Isn't that a sushi place? I thought
that was a time? What is that? What that means?
Always a sushi restaurant? Organs of Asia and yes, maybe
not by the way, they specialized in the orchid. Is
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that place still in business? That place that Bob Kraft
used to go to? Uh? The league? Can we get
an update on the place that Bob Kraft us? I'm
just saying, well, it was. There was a golfer that
went there too. Like a bunch of famous people went there, right,
I think, yeah, there was like a bunch of names
that got leaked people that went there, and one of
them was on the PGA tour. I'm almost positive he's
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probably now on the Live tour, but I'm almost positive
he was on the PGA tour. Is Organs of Asia
still in business? Lee? Uh? Looks like their website still
up and running? All right? Hey, how about that? Probably popular?
Probably or popular? Right now they're going to say, what
a resilient story after all the bad you know press
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they got, and they're still running out of the brand.
I'm seeing a bunch of people saying they close their
doors about two years ago. Yeah, every Now would that
lead you to think that all the people who are
customers realized they couldn't go there anymore? Right? I mean
like did they close because of the situation or was
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it like once they got in trouble then it was like,
all right, they lost the customer base. By the way,
who wants to get caught that way? It's a pretty
uh like if if somebody you're going through your search
history and like the missus comes across orchta Asia, I
mean the go to is what I was looking for
some plants. I mean, we're trying to build the garden.
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We're trying to it is there is like a double
meaning to the word that I feel like get people
out of trouble a lot of the time. So it's
unfortunately could that be why they would name it that though? Yeah. Yeah,
It's like places at colleges they call the bar the library,
you know, so nobody's worried when they get the credit
card receipts. Oh you just wear at the library till
two am. Yeah, it's the Asia, da ball and massar. Yeah. Yeah,
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I mean with old receipt theory, there's Jonas is not
many libraries give receipts, especially for any sort of consumptions.
I mean, you know, just you're right. That's not really
the reason for the name. Why they call it that.
It's because when mom and dad call and it's close
to midnight, you say, oh, I'm at the library. They say, oh,
you're such a good son, look at you. What a
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good student. It's more for that scenario. I mean, me personally,
I don't lie to my parents, So that's just that's
how I operate. But I mean if people want to
lie out there and live their world and falsehood, that's fine. Yeah.
I think plenty of college students do. By the way,
there there's people of there's people that these pictures online
taking selfies in front of the orchids of Asia offers
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a complete menu of massage. Yeah it does. Yeah, Little
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Good Morning Morning. How we feeling. How's everybody feeling? Yeah,
feeling good. Everybody fired up right in rock. You know,
LaVar Arrington yesterday said he's tired of the Lamar Jackson stuff.
(00:26):
There's no other angles, there's no other layers. Yeah he did, Yes,
he did. So this is the situation currently going on
in Baltimore, and the timing was a little interesting. Right
about the time John Harbaugh was ready to meet with
(00:47):
the media, Lamar Jackson decided, you know what, I'm gonna
go to Twitter and I'm gonna let everybody know kind
of what's going on behind the scenes. So Lamar Jackson
wrote the following on social media. A letter to my fans.
I want to first thank you all for all of
the love and support you consistently show towards me. All
of you are amazing and I appreciate you all so much.
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I want you all to know not to believe everything
you read about me. Let me personally answer your questions
in regards to my future plans. As of March second,
I requested a trade from the Ravens organization, for which
the Ravens have not been interested in meeting my value.
And everyone that has met me or been around me, no,
I love the game of football and my dream is
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to help a team when the Super Bowl. You all
are great, but I had to make a business decision
that was best for my family and I. No matter
how far I go or where my career takes me,
I'll continue to be close to my fans of Baltimore,
Flock Nation, and the entire state of Maryland. You'll see
me again, and wanted to point out that the Ravens
organization has not been interested in meeting his value. That
(01:54):
is where Lamar Jackson finds himself on social media dropping
that bombshell yesterday, to which John Harba then sat down
and of course the first thing that he was asked
about was the tweet from Lamar Jackson, and this is
how everything went down there in Phoenix. I haven't seen
the tweet. That's ongoing process. I'm following it very closely,
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just like everybody else is here and looking forward to
a resolution. I'm excited thinking about Lamar all the time.
I'm getting ready for Lamar that's what I'm doing in
our offense. We've got a new offensive coordinator, very excited
about Todd Munkin. We're in the we're in the lab
right now building the offense and putting it together with
the terminology and the plays and things like that. And
that's what you focus on, is commedy decision to go
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with Lamar Jackson five years ago. Right Why? Because we
love him. We love him, we love the way he plays,
we love his mindset, his charisma, his style, either way
he's in the locker room, everything about him. We love him.
I love him personally. I love being the coaching the
team that he's playing quarterback for it. So there we go.
That's the situation in Baltimore, a little bit messy, would say,
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a little bit of a problem with everybody involved. It's
hard for me to listen to a tweet like that
and take it with any seriousness. I mean, for starters,
I mean, he wants out so bad. He's got a
guy selling home Jim equipment. He's got calling around on
his behalf to other teams, the Dolphins, which I know
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for a fact he's trying to get in touch with him. Obviously,
Lamar's from South Florida. And that's where this Ken guy lives.
It's a two for one a he signed. Lamar will
give you a bow FlexE go ahead. Any other than Ken? Well,
you told me off off air. You told me off
air about Ken. Yeah, it's a great point. Confused, Oh,
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it does goes with Barbie, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Or or Cathy or is it Cathy cars which one's
the one that is always in people's business and caring? Yeah,
but didn't you tell me that Ken is a Karen?
Isn't that the male version of Kenny's Karen's husband? Yeah, yeah,
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I'm not quite sure. Yeah, I don't know. I thought
you told me that off the air. Joe Jonas would
definitely not me. That wasn't you. That was you that
told me that. Some call them Kenny Knox. Yeah, Big
Big k Knox or Kenny Kenny Power Knox. Yeah, how
about that. That is a great point. A lot you
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could do with that name. But there's not a lot
you can do with Lamar Jackson's tweet at this point
because apparently they're not interested in meeting. There's a few
things you could do with with the tweet. There are
a few things good you want me to say or
you you you want you said? I mean, I mean.
My takeaway from it was was basically, you either pay
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me my value or trade me because y'are not You
guys aren't trying to win a super Bowl, like I
don't think Lamar Jackson believes they can win a super Bowl.
So it's like pay me or bust. I think that's
what I took away from it. Can I can I
because because obviously that's what he's saying in this right
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that's what he's trying to say to them. Here's what's
so hilarious is anyone out there right now can literally
send it an offer sheet. If they really want Lamar,
they can send it an offer sheet right now to Baltimore,
and in essence, Baltimore would have to match it or
they would let him go and they get a couple
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of first round picks in exchange. That's what's hilarious. And
if anyone wanted to trade for him, they would have
put it in an offer. They would have tried to
make something happen at this point. You know why, because
giving up two first round picks for a quarterback who's
been an MVP, who's as young as Lamar is would
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be a steal. It's gonna take more than just two
first round picks to get a trade done, and yet
no one wants them. And so that's not to say
that the Colts or someone might not after the draft
if they don't get the quarterback they won, they might
not be interested in Lamar Jackson then, But the reality
is he, as in Lamar, has made this such a
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circus that he's made himself look bad in the process,
having a guy call up teams instead of just hiring
an agent or hiring an attorney who's certified by the NFLPA.
Turning down and talking about the offers, you've turned down
one hundred and thirty three million, fully guaranteed, which every
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single player in the history of the NFL would have
probably taken or at least strongly considered, and not tweeted
about it saying, oh it's not good enough. It's bizarre
to me the way things have gotten. But it's all
on him, And I think, if you're the Baltimore Ravens,
this is why you're hesitant you want to commit to
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him long term. It's it's these sorts of things that
he's doing right now that make this look so much worse.
I love Lamar Jackson, but this comes across as him pouting,
So you're like, harball, Yeah, I know that was in
my notes too, temper tantrum that was in my notes.
It like, doesn't it strike you as somebody who's literally
throwing a temper tantrum on social media because they didn't
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get their way and so now they're trying to direct
traffic over to a website so he can answer fans questions.
And like just the behavior that constantly going to Twitter,
you know, the buddy slinging bow flexes and a field
in Fort Lauderdale somewhere who's calling up teams trying to
get an offer sheet. I want to get a trade
without realizing the Ravens could just slap the tag on
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you and get a couple of first in return. Like
I love Lamar Jackson, love everything about him, but it
seems like he's pouting. That's how this comes across. Oh,
he's definitely not happy about where the situation is. I mean,
in an ideal situation and he gets the deal that
he wants, there is no drama and you continue to
move forward. It's in the moments where you don't get
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exactly what you felt you were worth, you don't get
it done in the manner of which you would want
to get it done. And when the way you handle
it at those situations, in those scenarios, in a lot
of ways, is a part of your your resume. It's
a part of your your reputation as well. And and
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so this has become a toxicum exchange, a toxic deal.
I almost feel like at this point it's getting maybe
it's there, but it's it's if not there, it's dangerously
close to it being so toxic that it's almost like
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you can't give him a contract, you you can't go
forward with him just based off of what he's he's
letting the public know, you know, in terms of how
he feels about Baltimore. I think that if you're any
other organization and you're watching this, that's a part of
his resume. Well, it's now a part of his resume,
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and that's that is a part of your interviewing process. Like, so,
you're right, it does create that that feeling from other
teams like why would I why would we want to
end up in the same scenario that Baltimore is in.
Right now, like when people, let's sit there and go, well,
justin Herbert, he hasn't won an MVP and they're starting negotiations.
He might sign a five hundred million dollar deal. Okay,
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so what Lamar deserves a five hundred million dollar deal
just because he's got an MVP. Look at all the baggage,
look at look at all what a team is going
to have to deal with with the way he's handled
this entire situation. No one wants it. The reality is,
you know what this isn't it's not professional, Like that's
how Lamar Jackson is coming off right now. It's not
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He's not being professional in any capacity. And let's just
take into account this. So March second, he makes his
trade request. Right Here's what the Ravens have done since then.
They've signed Nelson Aguilar, a wide receiver. They've brought in
Todd Munk in this offseason to revamp the offense. He's
one of the better and respected offensive minds. They drafted
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Rashod Bateman in the first round in twenty twenty one.
They've continually built up the offensive lineman around him. They
drafted Tyler Linda Baumber center in the first round of
last year's draft. They signed Zeitler in twenty twenty one
and Morgan Moses to help shore up their offensive line.
They've done nothing but try to continue to build this
team around his skill set to let him be successful.
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I mean, the reality is he's a special, dynamic player,
but he's not a player who's been able to excel
purely playing from the pocket. That's okay, no one's saying
he has to be. But to sit here and act
like Baltimore hasn't done a lot to help appease him
and help him win, you're lying. And so this whole
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thing right now comes off as incredibly unprofessional with the
way he's conducting himself. I think, regardless of if it
if it appears that Baltimore is doing the right thing
or not, it still comes down to the way you
handle it, right. I mean, you don't have to like
the way things are being handled. And I would just
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say because I you know, for me, I always support
the player, like I'm always player, pro player, but there's
also a way you go about doing what you're doing
and how you handle your business, and I just I
just feel like it's it's accurate, Like I can't I
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would love to be able to say like Q, like
that's that's not that's not it, like that that's that's incorrect.
This is a guy who deserves what he deserves. You
know what we would be saying if if Lamar Jackson
has it nothing and has been quiet the whole entire
time and at the best, at the best, have somebody
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who's at least certified so that certain rumors, if rumors
start to hit and you're doing things correctly, people will
be your mouthpiece for you. He's that good. He's that
good where people will be your mouthpiece for you. It's
like you gotta hold the line when you're in negotiations.
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You gotta hold the line. It's like you gotta wait,
like the whole saying, you gotta wait to see the
white of their eyes, like hold it, Hold Hold. He's
not holding. He's not holding, And it's sad and it's
unfortunate because regardless of if he's right or if he's wrong,
we'll start keeping scoring well, we'll start measuring differently than
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what we would have if we were being pro player. Now,
he puts he puts people like me, He puts people
in the media that will want to support and want
to back him up. He puts us in a non
it's it's we don't have any leverage. I don't have
any leverage to sit here and say, Lamar Jackson, he's right,
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he needs to be compensated. So on and so forth.
I could give a whole lot of arguments as to
why he should be paid just as much as any
other quarterback in the league, especially Deshaun Watson if he's
if you're using him as the barometer. But when you
start to come unrivaled and you start to say things
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like you basically sent out a thank you note, a
parting ways note. That's a college note. When I'm declaring
for the draft and I'm leaving school, that's a college note.
That's the note that you you send out to your fans,
and it's just to me. You're trying to defend yourself.
You're you're putting things out there that can't be taken back,
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and you're creating damage where now it's all about damage control,
and in these scenarios, there's no such thing as damage
control because you're negotiating. So it's bad. It's it's bad.
It could have been handled a whole lot better, And
I think less would have been way way more for
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Lamar Jackson than this scenario. You know Brady as a
big He's one of those guys that goes on Twitter
and scores fights. Like he'll be watching a boxing match,
He'll score the fight on Twitter. He'll watch a UFC fight,
he scores it on Twitter. If you're scoring this fight
right now between the Ravens and Lamar Jackson, he's down
on the cards and we're getting really late into the fight.
In fact, it's pretty much it's just bizarre to me
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when he talks about like wanting to be somewhere else.
I'm like, dude, anyone right now can submit an offer
to have you come play for them, and they are not,
Like Washington reiterated that they're not in on Lamar Jackson,
like teams are only coming out saying they're not in
on you and me. It has everything to do with
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the fact that when you look at every other quarterback
that's going to be signed, it's the manner in which
they're handing themselves. It's not about talent. Lamar is one
of the most talented players that has ever played this game.
It's about how he's conducting himself. If you're doing something
where you're causing teams to potentially be fined fifty thousand dollars,
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which basically you're doing something illegal. If that's how you
conduct business, I'm sorry this league doesn't want to work
with you. And and that's an essence what he was
doing by having some Ken guy sue slinging, you know,
gazelles around or whatever he's doing, call around teams like
it's the entire thing is incredibly, incredibly unprofessional, and that
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now plays a part in why teams might be hesitant
to give him the offer that he's looking for. Be
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on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. The other
big story in the NFL that we've been monitoring and
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tracking throughout the course of the off season is the
Aaron Rodgers situation and whether or not there's going to
be some sort of a deal done with the New
York Jets. You've got Brian Goodacoon's the general manager of
the Green Bay Packers, who spoke yesterday at the meetings
and Phoenix, and he talked about just you know, not
necessarily going to be a number one pick. They're trying
to get value, still going through the motions. But what
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was interesting is he did talk about the plans for
the organization and how that might have changed following the
year because of an inability to reach one Aaron Rodgers,
you know, as we got out of the off season
or after the season, and we had a good conversation
and then we're gonna have some follow up conversations and
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our inability to reach him or for him to respond
in any way. I think at that point then we
just kind of had to had to do my job
and kind of reach out and understanding that the trade
could be possible and see it was interested. So I
think obviously it was a disappointing season, right and you
come out of the season, you have a lot of
conversations on we thereon, but with the rest of the team,
coaches and everybody, and then you go through that process
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you kind of get an idea of where you're going
to move to, you know, as a team, how you're
going to go forward. And I think I was really
looking forward to the conversations with Aaron to see how
you fit into that. Those never transpired. So, you know,
there came the time where we kind of had to
we had to make some decisions, so we went through
his representatives to try to kind of talk to him
where we were going with our team, and at that point, um,
you know, they informed us they would like to be
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traded to the Jets. So the Packers GM version of
the story is a little different than what Roger said
on Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk a couple of
weeks ago, which he said he got the impression that
they were ready to move on and that things had
changed once he got out of the darkness. So there's
now we're not really quite sure who the hell is
telling which side of the story and which side of
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the story is accurate. There so more more drama between
a star quarterbacks. This is a messy, toxic situation too
and a great and they're talking too, you know, and
it's it's I would say, the only difference here is
that's the difference. Well, there is no ken that that's
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a difference. Professionalism involved. It is a little bit more
professionalism and involved in this one. Um, and there are there.
There is a trade uh suitor that's involved in this
one as well. And oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers already got paid,
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you know, he already has has gotten the contract that
he wanted to get out of, out of the the
Green Bay Packers leading into um being where they're at
right now. It's it's a much more strategically sound position
that Aaron Rodgers is in, and I think he's handling
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it in a way that I mean, listen, I would
say less is more here as well, But Aaron Rodgers
is much further they're along in his career, which is
another element of this conversation. He's much further along in
his career. And for what it's worth, there is no
disputing what Aaron Rodgers brings to the table as as
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a player. Now, I will say this, Aaron Rodgers aired
out the the Green Bay Packers front office the year
before I guess what, the year before this one before
the Nick Cage entry into straining camp. I mean, there
are things that he has done that would be considered
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very toxic and could be a part of his and
should be a part of his resume in terms of
how other teams would want to deal with him. But
with that being said, he does have a team that
wants him, and it'll be interesting because, for what it's worth,
is as different as this may seem, the toxicity of
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this situation could lead to Aaron Rodgers being almost in
the same situation that Lamar Jackson is in, which is
you're stuck with your team. He could end up being
stuck with the Green Bay Packers and that would be
tremendously entertaining. But it would also be interesting to see
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how it all plays out. Yeah, I mean, maybe you
know a j Hawks should start slinging like Rogue Echo bikes.
You know that's in Columbus. I mean, why not like
make that happen if he wants to write present Rodgers
you know right point. Yeah, I'm just saying reference there
for you. Hi, hi, um. Look, these scenarios to me
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are two very different scenarios. You know, this is a
transaction that hasn't taken place because the compensation has been
recreed upon. However we got here, whether it was you know,
Rogers representation letting the team know he wanted to move on,
whether it's the Green Bay Packers organization now trying to
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save face in all of this it doesn't matter. Green
Bay has their quarterback in Jordan Love, even though Andy
Reid apparently wasn't aware of who that was during an
interview in the owners meetings. Aaron Rodgers is ready to
move on to New York, and it's just the trade
that's holding this whole thing up. So what that ends
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up being, everyone's trying their best to guess. You know,
everyone's making it about we'll pick this year. Next year's conditional. Okay,
Like okay, I mean, take your take your guess. I've
said before, if the thirteenth overall pick would get the
deal done, give it away. My whole my whole thought
behind that is if it's worth two years of Rogers,
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which again he's going there for two years, He's not
going to uplift his life to New York for one
and done, it's worth it. But again the Jets have
to be willing to give that up, and front offices
covet picks like no one's business. I mean, it's just
they love having draft picks, especially a thirteenth overall draft pick,
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because they could turn that into more draft picks, or
they could turn that into just sitting there and taking
the pick. I mean They love their draft picks. It's
like my little kids and their pop patrol toys. They
love them, like, absolutely love them. That's what how front
officers tree draft picks. They are obsessed with them. They
watch the show, they play with the toys. You take one,
it's gonna be a fight. So they're trying to figure
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out how they could come up with the right compensation
to make this work given that he you know, they
want to see how he performs, they want to see
how much he plays, and that's gonna be part of
this whole equation. But it'll get done eventually. The whole
Baltimore Lamar situation, I mean, unless there's another team involved,
there's really not much to talk about. And and that's
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the hard part is there's not another suitor, and there
easily could be. Like that's the biggest difference is any
team has the opportunity to throw it an offer right now.
You can make that case to Green Bay and maybe
there's another team that would want to thrown an offer
on Rogers, But he's already made it his public attention
to be in New York, and you know they're already meeting,
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and they've already had those conversations as signing players that
he wants. So I just I think they're two completely
different scenarios, even though we're both talking about quarterbacks. I
just don't know how anybody looks at us talking quarterback. Yeah.
I just don't know how anybody looks at this and
thinks this is just going to be a one and
done because one of the things that's been out there,
Charles Robinson says, well, you know, one of these sticking
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points for the Jets, Charles Robinson from YAH who covers
the NFL, one of the sticking points is, you know,
they want to have, you know, some confirmation that he's
going to be there for more than one year. You know,
they want to make sure that Roger this isn't just
a one and done deal. And they point back to
Roger saying that when he went underground to that gopher
hole and you know, weed smoke Oregan or whatever that
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town's called, that he went in there ninety percent retire,
ten percent wanting to come back. And so they're a
little bit hesitant, you know, that they want to pull
the trigger on a deal like this because they want
to know that he's all in. If he tells you
and you've got recent evidence of hey, got a chip
on his shoulder, guy's got a little bit of a
red ass. What did he do after they drafted Jordan
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Love and moved up? He went out and one two MVPs.
If I'm the Jets, that's all the evidence I would need,
and a simple conversation with the guy and then get
the deal done and move on with your lives. I
just I can't believe we're still at this point and
then no traction has been made. Can I ask this
of you guys? Have you ever felt about one thing
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and then you went on vacation, or you went into
a meeting, or you took a nap, I don't know,
did our radio show, and then you felt completely different
coming out of it. I mean, everyone's making a big
deal about the ninety ten, like, oh he was almost retired.
Oh my gosh, oh he was almost retired. It was like, okay,
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but have you've never in your life felt convicted about
something to ninety percent degree? I mean I've been agent,
I've been at one hundred percent out on something and
then I can recall just sitting there and maybe Rocky
came on and then that one hundred percent went the
opposite direction, and I got my ass up and went
to the gym. I was, I was one hundred percent out,
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one hundred percent out, and then I saw Rocky and
and it depended on which which one it was. Um,
if it was one that I really really enjoyed and
related to, and the workout music was was where I
wanted it to be. Yeah, I motivated. I got up. Um,
I checked on my knee to see how my knee
was doing. My knee has been feeling kind of bad. Man.
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I ain't gonna lie. I think it's a replacement deal.
But I just, uh, you know, I changed my one
hundred percent I'm out too, was one hundred percent in.
I mean, sometimes you just need the proper motivation. I
was engaged once in I was too, and then all
of a sudden, I realized, you know, this ain't gonna work.
I'm with you. Yeah, got out. I was. I was
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like ninety eight percent in it and even had a
baby with her, you know what I mean, And we
were done. I was like, what the other direction? I
think I was more like seventy seventy thirty. Uh, And
then I decided to get engaged because I got a
good deal on the ring. And then about you massa
freshman year of college. But I'm sorry, no, I was
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gonna say I was about the same age. Yeah, mistakes
are made. You ain't lying. Yeah, what are you getting
at there? I mean, I'm just saying, just as long
as you don't go all the way you know, and
stay there, A mistake is only a mistake if left uncorrected,
is what they say some people, that's what they say. Yeah,
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you get my point though, Like everyone so hung up
on the ninety percent retired, Okay, he wasn't one hundred percent,
Like did anyone see over the top? Yeah, Sylvester still
alone was damn near beaten, ninety percent beating Guess what?
He flipped the switch. He came back and he won. Great,
that's what he does. Yep. That's a point, like you
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can switch like Leavar did and get hup and go
to the gym. Go to the gym. Yeah yeah, I
mean obviously was sitch man dark hobbit hole. I mean
he had to probably line a candle. That was the
proverbial switch. But you get my point, right, Like we've
all been there where we felt one way about something
and I don't know. You take some time away from it,
you come back and you go, wait, what happened? What's going? Okay?
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I thought I felt this way, but now I realized,
like I want to go kick some ass, Like I
want to go and go play somewhere else and prove
to people that I can win a Super Bowl. I
still have it. There's nothing wrong with that. Like the
ninety ten thing. It's so bizarre how that's the hang
up right now for a lot of people out there,
especially in regards to the trade compensation. Be sure to
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one of the other coaches that was speaking with Sean Payton,
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who's the brand new coach of the Denver Broncos, and
he spoke about the roughing the passer issue and the
NFL and said the following quote, roughing the pastor I'm
not going to say it's a crisis, but whatever is
an X. Let's say crisis is level five. I'd say
level three. It's something we got to be better at.
So how do we handle that. So one of the
items is being able to possibly challenge roughing the passer.
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I think that's the one thing to me that stands
out that is really up and down. Now they are
going to be voting on this. They're going to be
voting on some other stuff that we can get to
at some point also some things that aren't on the
table to vote for. But the roughing the passer penalties
have been an issue, and it feels like this to
me seems like a no brainer. They need twenty four
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of these for it to get passed on whether or
not they can make roughing the passer penalties reviewable, but
I'm skeptical that we're going to see anything done or
that this is actually going to pass. For some reason,
I get a weird feeling it's not going to pass
and they're not going to have twenty four people agree
on it. Yeah. I just anytime we come to this
point in time in the year, it seems like we
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have these discussions about various rules that could be fixed
should be fixed, and the NFL usually sits on its
hands because the outrage behind some of the calls just
either goes away or people just put up with it.
And then the players that have to adjust to a degree,
which it's unfortunate for the players only because especially on defense.
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I mean, those are the guys that constantly have to
adjust their game and how they play, how they hit,
and ultimately face the consequences with the fines for a
lot of these measures. And I'm a quarterback and I'll
sit here and tell you I think the rule is
absolutely awful for the game. At some point, you got
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to realize there's depth at the quarterback on most rosters
for a reason. It's a contact sport. It's a collision sport.
You're gonna have hits where guys get hurt. You can't
wrap them in bubble wrap. This isn't the little giants.
When you wrap them up in one of those eight
carton mattresses and you send them off into into play,
they're gonna get hurt. And you know, I think you
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can figure out the difference between what's unnecessary as far
as how our player gets hit and what's just part
of playing football. And so, okay, make a reviewable. Great,
we did this with past interfere It's that went nowhere.
So that that's my concern about saying, oh, it's reviewable.
It doesn't matter. The NFL and Roger Goodell will continue
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to do what they want and how they want and
the way they implement that rule. So it's it's unfortunate,
but it feels like we're doing our best to wrap
up guys in bubble wrap and continue to push that.
And I get it. These are the faces of the league,
faces of the franchise. You know. Justin Herbert, we talked
about he might sign a five hundred million dollars deal.
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It's a lot of money. If he gets hurt in
a week two and he can't play the rest of
the season, that you feel like you're kind of paying
a guy and it's it's left on the table, right,
But it needs to change. Like to me, it's awful
the position that they're putting to the players in. I mean,
it's rules impact the game. This one in particular is
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it's I mean, when you touch a guy's helmet because
you're you're pushing through a blocker and you're trying to
to deflect the ball or and impact the way he
throws the ball, and you touch his helmet, not not
punch his helmet, not like egregiously or blatantly or trying
to take him out by punching him in the head.
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Like it's like stuff like that to me that you
can get rid of that, Like at the bear's minimum,
if a guy touches his head, you don't have to
call that penalty. Remember remember the Derek Carr Chris Jones
penalty where Chris Jones literally stripped him of the football
and got called for roughing the pastor yes he did
in possession of the ball and got called yes he did.
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It's just crazy, it's just it's too much. It's just
too much like as a defender, as a former defender,
you know, that the rules are the rules for a reason.
Everybody knows that. So you'll adjusting, you will adapt. But
some of this is it's not even at the point
where it's about adjusting and adapting as a defender, it's
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about the quality of the game. You're impacting the quality
of the game by doing this, And why would you
want to compromise the game in that way? Like he
touched his head. Okay, that's a grown ass man. Like,
so to me when you look at some of the intent,
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like you don't have to change the reviewing of roughing
the passer from the sense that you're right. If you're
going to pay a guy a half of being to
play football, you want him on the field and I
don't want him getting hurt. But at the same time,
you are paying guys to do a job and to
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play in a full contact sport. Like have we ever
heard of a rule that protects anybody on the ice
that way? Like that's full contact sport? Is there a
rule in place that protects certain guys like this guy
like Sydney Crosby. We need to make sure he stays
on the ice, so if you touch him anyway that's
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too physical and and and could actually hurt him, which,
by the way, we've seen a lot of that during
his career. You're you're going to get penalty time for that,
like we're gonna put you in the penalty box. We're
gonna make you pay for it. Like you don't see
that in hockey, Like to me, I don't. I just
don't understand why, why the competition or the rules committee,
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whoever it is that's making these rules for the quarterback.
I don't know why they've lost their way in understanding
that it's it's still football, Like it is still football.
Somebody else gets touched on their helmet, you're not calling
that flag. There's there's just certain things that only apply
to the quarterback, and which I understand certain things should
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apply to the quarterback. Great, But if it gets to
the point of where it's like come on, man, while
you're watching it, like, come on, if this doesn't get approved,
and again I'm skeptical, just as Brady laid out, because
we've seen the NFL have an opportunity to make things
right and somehow they figure out a way to f
the whole thing up. If this doesn't get approved and
you don't get twenty four votes from owners saying they
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would like to see roughing the past or penalties be
able to be reviewed. I give up, because at that point,
you're not It's not like you're saying, hey, official, you're
doing a bad job. You're just saying, hey, you made
a mistake, let's correct the mistake, we'll get it right,
and we're all good here. You're just giving people the
opportunity to do that if they can't see that this
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is going to benefit the game and benefit everybody involved.
I don't know what the hell is the point of
even arguing about this stuff anymore. It just it's gotten
to the point to where it just doesn't make any
sense to me. I don't I don't understand what else
you need to see before you realize there's nothing wrong
with getting these calls right and there You've seen all
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the turnover from officials in the NFL this year, Like
just this off season, I think there's ten different officials
that have walked away that have just it's like, wait, what,
like ten different guys have just decided, yeah, I'm out,
Like it feels like there's a real problem. It's not working.
Something is going on. Maybe deeper is sort of under
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the layers of everything else that's being messaged through the media.
But to see that much turnover just from officials in
this off season, that feels weird. If this doesn't pass,
that feels weird. They're just there's a lot of opportunities
to get these things right, and every single year we
have the same arguments, the same discussion, and nobody ever
gets it right. I don't get it. I really maybe
that getting it wrong is getting it right. Yeah, could be.
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I like that say that again, getting it wrong is
getting it right. Oh yeah, I mean that just could
be what it is. Yeah. Yeah, you know to no
fear t shirt, I think it's all fear tea. I mean.
The reality is the NFL usually only moves to make
changes when they're in discussions about player safety, and this
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is one where they're trying to protect their quarterbacks. So
they're not going to change it. You know, people can
be frustrated by it. They're not gonna change it. They're
gonna ask that the defensive players to change the manner
in which you know, they play the game. The toughest
thing is, too, is quarterbacks have become even more athletic.
You know, now every guy walking into the league's pretty mobile,
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so these guys are one or two things is going
to happen. Either, you know, you're gonna find a defensive
player who kind of gives up on a play or
thinks they've got him sacked and the play's not blown
dead and the quarterback extends the play. Or you're going
to see officials blow the whistle prematurely and then the
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quarterbacks is gonna be upset because they wanted to continue
to play, and the defensive players will be given a sack.
You're going to see more and more of that. That
sort of thing kind of happened because of this sort
of rule. The thing that's crazy to me is that
the QB sneak play the tush push. Yeah, they're not
doing anything. We have nine teams who have spoken out
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against it, saying it creates an incredibly unfair advantage for
the offense. Yet they're not touching it this year because
they don't have twenty four teams to support it, and
they need a unanimous decision by the Competition and Committee.
Which it's surprising because it really did make it almost
near impossible for teams to stop, whether it's the Eagles
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and Jail and hurts who utilize it the best, but
other teams who use the same strategy. I'm just waiting
for a player to get hurt and then finally they'll
be like, oh, okay, this isn't a safe and maybe
at that point they'll look to change that rule. But
it was discussed, it was talked about. You've got about
a third of the league's not a fan of it.
Yet you know it's still going to remain in there
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as well. You know, maybe the move here, if they're
waiting on an injury, have one of these officials blowing
ac joint, throwing a flag out of his pocket, and
now they'll just stop throwing as many flags. Maybe that's
what you need. You need some sort of an injury
to happen during the calling of a penalty, and that
way they'll put the flags away and we can get
a much cleaner game that without so much officiating. That
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might be the move here. And look the push play,
the tush push. I didn't come up with that name.
That's somebody else came up with that. I thought it
was now much more creative than I am. Somebody else
came up with that. But yeah, the rug beat now
the rugby scruff. Yeah, that play is going to be
around for a little bit. And so you and now,
how many players can they line up behind Jalen Hurts
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three max to try and push him over to get
a first out of me. I don't think there's a max.
I mean technically, you know you've got to have the
five offensive linemen and two other guys on the line seven.
So yeah, I guess three max would be three guys
pushed into one into into a pile, and that we're
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just gonna roll with that little rugby sirs came up
with liverloube though I didn't come up with tush push,
though it's a great Did you really come up with liverloob?
I feel like that's been around. I swear I came
up with liverloob, now I did. I'm not who else
to be heard say liverloube. I've heard that my grandfather. Well, okay,
I mean listen, I'm from the Midwest too. That makes
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some sense, you know, maybe we're speaking the same language.
I've never heard liverloob in my life, but you know
we have different backgrounds. Though. Do you think there's some
liverloob being taken in at these owners meetings in Phoenix
by some of the content. Man, what a sad uh
Orchids of Asia? Oh? Come on, wow? What? What? Wow?
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What I mean? Isn't that a sushi place? I thought
that was a time? What is that? What that means?
Always a sushi restaurant? Organs of Asia and yes, maybe
not by the way, they specialized in the orchid. Is
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that place still in business? That place that Bob Kraft
used to go to? Uh? The league? Can we get
an update on the place that Bob Kraft us? I'm
just saying, well, it was. There was a golfer that
went there too. Like a bunch of famous people went there, right,
I think, yeah, there was like a bunch of names
that got leaked people that went there, and one of
them was on the PGA tour. I'm almost positive he's
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probably now on the Live tour, but I'm almost positive
he was on the PGA tour. Is Organs of Asia
still in business? Lee? Uh? Looks like their website still
up and running? All right? Hey, how about that? Probably popular?
Probably or popular? Right now they're going to say, what
a resilient story after all the bad you know press
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they got, and they're still running out of the brand.
I'm seeing a bunch of people saying they close their
doors about two years ago. Yeah, every Now would that
lead you to think that all the people who are
customers realized they couldn't go there anymore? Right? I mean
like did they close because of the situation or was
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it like once they got in trouble then it was like,
all right, they lost the customer base. By the way,
who wants to get caught that way? It's a pretty
uh like if if somebody you're going through your search
history and like the missus comes across orchta Asia, I
mean the go to is what I was looking for
some plants. I mean, we're trying to build the garden.
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We're trying to it is there is like a double
meaning to the word that I feel like get people
out of trouble a lot of the time. So it's
unfortunately could that be why they would name it that though? Yeah. Yeah,
It's like places at colleges they call the bar the library,
you know, so nobody's worried when they get the credit
card receipts. Oh you just wear at the library till
two am. Yeah, it's the Asia, da ball and massar. Yeah. Yeah,
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I mean with old receipt theory, there's Jonas is not
many libraries give receipts, especially for any sort of consumptions.
I mean, you know, just you're right. That's not really
the reason for the name. Why they call it that.
It's because when mom and dad call and it's close
to midnight, you say, oh, I'm at the library. They say, oh,
you're such a good son, look at you. What a
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good student. It's more for that scenario. I mean, me personally,
I don't lie to my parents, So that's just that's
how I operate. But I mean if people want to
lie out there and live their world and falsehood, that's fine. Yeah.
I think plenty of college students do. By the way,
there there's people of there's people that these pictures online
taking selfies in front of the orchids of Asia offers
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a complete menu of massage. Yeah it does. Yeah, Little
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