March 30, 2023 • 39 mins
Things continue to look worse for Lamar Jackson after reports of the Patriots lack of interest in pursuing his talents. Senior NFL Reporter for the MMQB, Albert Breer stops by for the weekly update on Lamar, Rodgers and more. And the guys debate who they want to see on the next season of ‘Hard Knocks.’
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I'm not going dude. All right, So here's the latest
speculation on Lamar Jackson. So you know the New England Patriots.
So the Patriots have been a team. A lot of
people looked at and said Belichick loves mobile quarterbacks. That
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could make some sense. No, that's not happening. It's definitely
not happening that. According to Jeff Howe of The Athletic,
he stopped for a second just with that comment. Bill
Belichick loves mobile quarterbacks. Okay, uh, William want any point
in time when he's a head coach that he's had
a mobile quarter That's why he loves him. You know
you want Trump whatso was before Brady and then it
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was Castle who filled in when Brady was hurt. Then
they drafted Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round. Who that like?
But then no, no big deal, they only draft Mac Jones,
who was the least athletic of any of the quarterbacks
in that draft class. But no, he loves athletic quarterbacks.
I don't think Tom Brady was athletic. I mean he
won't hold on, no pump the brakes for a second.
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I'm saying in the context of the NFL. Okay, like,
don't get it twisted. Mac Jones could go out run
a pickup game and probably school all y'all who are
listening right now, And and you guys said, what are
you talking about pick up basketball? Like they're they're NFL athletes.
These are world class athletes. I'm just saying in the
context of like Lamar Jackson and what he's capable of
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doing in the NFL versus what Mac Jones is two
completely different athletes. Yeah, so listen, maybe Belichick just once
what he can't have. That was according to many people
out there that the Patriots and Lamar Jackson would make
some sense. Listen, I'm not spinning yards here. That was
some of the speculation. But according to Jeff Howard the Athletic,
the Patriots are not interested in Lamar Jackson. That is
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not the case. They're not interested. And I'm a little shocked.
And let me tell you why. I'm stunned by this.
I thought, for sure, if any two people could get
a deal done for Lamar Jackson, it would be Meek
Mill and Kenny blow Blowflex whatever his name is, the
Lamar Jackson side of things. Who sling in Jim equipment.
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I thought for sure Meek Mill and that guy get together,
they could actually make this deal happen. I'm stunned that
the Patriots also would want out on Lamar Jackson because
now everybody else seems to be running away from Lamar Jackson.
And now you've got people telling him to stay off Twitter.
You've got Dion Sanders telling him to stop defending himself,
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you know, talking about Arthur Blank and the Falcons pointing
out the injury history and all that. This has gone
so poorly the last week or so for Lamar Jackson.
I just don't know what the resolution is. I really don't.
I didn't nobody, nobody expected it was going to go
this poorly for him, and again he is down on
the scorecards. We could call this at ten seven, multiple
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knockdown round for the Ravens in this negotiation. He's got
to wait until after the draft, and he's got a
hope that there becomes another bidder where there's someone who
would want to I mean, I was gonna say, how
peas whatever contract he's looking for. The hard part is,
you know, in negotiations, you got to find a way
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of making a deal that works for both parties. It
seems like the deal he wants is one sided and
it's only him. The owners don't want to shell out
that much money. I went through a list of reasons
why they don't and the escrow issue. For whatever reason,
I was up talking about a buddy about this yesterday.
It's like people talk about that a bunch. I go, No,
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they don't, I go. People talk about a lot of
other stupid reasons why this deal isn't getting done. They
don't talk about a lot of facts and things that
happen behind the scenes, like that escrow rule where you've
got to have, you know, a certain amount of guaranteed
moneys put away in escrow, and so they don't. You know,
owners don't want to do a huge deal where they
have to put a huge amount of money away in escrow.
No one wants to do that. Yeah, by the way,
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you listening right now, don't want to do that. If
they told you had to put a bunch of money
into an escrow account for your mortgage, you'd be like, no,
I'd rather keep that money and I'll go ahead and
continue to make my monthly payments or an annual payment.
Like It's just it's not how you'd want to do
business if you're a homeowner, if you're a business owner,
if you're an owner of a franchise. So that's one
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of the bigger sticking points that no one talks about.
But the truth is he's not being flexible at all
in regards to Okay, let's say I'm not gonna get
a fully guaranteed deal to surpass to Shaun Watson this offseason. Okay,
that's the reality of it, Like there's a lot of
free agents right now who've signed one year deals, who've
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probably got agents who have told them, look, not a
great market for you. Let's try to sign a one
year deal, get paid, and let's go have a great year,
and we'll try to couple that into a longer deal
next year or a bigger deal next year. That's what
his agent would be telling him. That's what someone should
be telling him. If you had a three year, one
hundred and thirty three fully guaranteed deal on the table,
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go take it, because two years from now you're gonna
be able to re up that deal if you play well,
if you do what you're capable of doing. But now
it's like, all right, I guess he's gonna have to
go to the franchise tag route and he's gonna just
gonna pay for thirty two million and he's gonna leave
one hundred and thirty three fully guaranteed. Which he is
the one that put that out there that he turned down, Well,
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that's on him. So at some point he's got to
check his pride. If after the draft there's no other suitors,
and that's an if like like Indy could be involved
in the mix, maybe there's another team that's involved in
the mix that becomes a suitor, But he's gonna have
to change his tune to how to what he's looking
for in a contract. Otherwise he's gonna come back and
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play for the Baltimore Ravens. Because if he sits out
of here, I don't think that makes things any better
for a situation. It doesn't make things better for the
situation because it becomes a loss because all of those
questions that are raised to basically minimize what his contracts
should be become bigger questions if he sits out of season.
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He can't afford to sit out at season and think
that he's going to get you know, payment he's looking
for if he's not getting it this year. So but
it does play into what the conversation being had. You
know what it represents, which is the motivation, which is
the wanting to prove it right. You're talking about the
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age and telling him come back and play at a
high level so we can try to get you a
better contract. Who you think is more likely to play
their ass off this year, Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson.
I would say Lamar Jackson, all right, and and and
just say, for the sake of saying, you know what
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they both have, let's just say they both have a
really really good season. Doesn't matter for Lamar Jackson, Yes,
doesn't matter for Deshaun Watson, No, not so much. Once
you get to that guaranteed mark of where Deshaun Watson is,
it's like, Okay, he has a bad year, you'll call
him a bust. They spend too much money, buyer's remorse.
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If he has a great year, it's like, yeah, he
was worth the money, or well, Cleveland looks to be
benefiting from their their investment. But you know what Deshaun
Watson is doing, cashing checks like it's there when loser draw.
Doesn't matter what they say about him. He's cashing checks.
There's no real motivation there other than that intrinsic, you know,
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inside built internal motivation. But Lamar Jackson has all he
has to be motivated to not only not sit out,
but to play and and bet on himself and play well.
And he has to hope that playing well means playing
well for an extended full full season and then extended
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full season of time to put to put the rest
that conversation that narrative and he and listen for what
it's worth. Maybe there will always be criticisms towards Lamar
jack his game. That's just how sports is. It's not
anything like connected to any other alternative, you know, type
of belief or thought process. That's just sports. Everybody's going
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to get criticized. There's going to be scrutiny on everybody.
But if he can put and dispel enough things being
discussed about him where it justifies the conversation of what
he should be compensated, then at least at that point,
you know that's he's he's working to prove it. And
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that's all about not having a guarantee like fully guaranteed
over two hundred and thirty million, fully guaranteed at two
hundred and twenty million, whatever it may be. You are
getting in a danger zone if you get too many
guys that are getting those type of contracts in the
National Football League. If they came back to Lamar Jackson
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and they meeting the Baltimore Ravens and said, look, we
understand that you're not happy about how things are. Here's
what we will to do. We don't want you to
just come back and take an offer that you've already
sent out and let everybody know the dollar amount being
the one thirty three guaranteed over three years. We'll do
you a solid. We'll bump it up a little bit.
We'll make it one thirty five, one forty over three years,
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and you'll get another bite at the apple before you're
thirty years old. How the hell is he not accepting
that at this point? Like what else does he need
to see before he realizes, dude, it ain't happening. And
the longer this goes on and the older you get,
the less likely it's going to happen. Like, I just
I don't know. Why is there nobody talking to him? Like?
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Or is he just dead set on this? Is he
got nobody in his ear saying hey, man, like this
is actually a really good deal and you're going to
get another opportunity to test free agency before you're thirty
Like how is that not in any of the conversations
that he's that he's had with it, Like that's the
part that's surprising with me. Or maybe he's just at
the point to where, Yeah, I don't want to be
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in Baltimore anymore. I don't want to be here anymore.
And try to figure out a way to facilitate a trade.
Yet then you see reports that he was negotiating as
late as last week with Baltimore again trying to get
a deal done. I just to me, this all falls
on Lamar Jackson and people trying to point out, well,
the Raven should have done this, should have done that.
It feels like they've done their part. Lamar Jackson hasn't
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done his. I don't know. The whole thing is strange,
but again it's another tale of the Lamar Jackson saga
and another angle for a year. Imagine, by the way,
if you drafted the guy right, like you're the team
that went out and instead of him slipping to the
second round, and I believe they traded up the thirty
two to take them too, right, Yeah, with New England
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they traded up to take you. So there's there's an
element of like goodwill debt all that stuff for or equity.
I guess that they should have with him, you know,
in his heart, they've continually built around him. I talked
about that, whether it's drafted receiver, trying to sign PHRASI receivers,
tight ends, puilding the offensive line, running back stable, etc.
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Pay Greg Roman, one of the better offensive minds that
has worked with more athletic quarterbacks, a boatload of money.
He was getting like four million a year and instead
of him leaving for a head coaching job, to stay
there and that didn't work out, so they brought in
a new offensive coordinator for him. And yet meanwhile he's
got Kenny Bowflex's Jonas calls him, or Ken Francis. He's
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got him going around trying to contact teams, but he's
not even allowed or able to. Like, how would you
feel as an organization if that was the case, Like,
you'd have to feel pretty burned, pretty frustrated if that
was what was going on behind the scenes, and the
guy's making offers that are just unreasonable. I mean, it's
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one thing if he was coming like people tend to
forgive when Joe Flacker reset the quarterback market, he was
coming off a super Bowl. He bettered himself and it
worked out, and the timing of it and everything. He
was literally Super Bowl MVP and was unbelievable in the playoffs, unbelievable.
And so if you if you want to compared the
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two scenarios for Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks, you couldn't have a
starker contrast between the two. You've got a guy who's
coming off a super Bowl win, an MVP about to
get free agency, and then one that's missed time to
pass two years, hasn't been the same player since that
MVP season, And we could chalk it up to whatever
we want to. But now you're trying to capitalize on
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that leverage to beat the highest paid quarterback at your position.
You could say highest paid player your position, and it
wouldn't make any sense based on how the last two
years have gone. And I love how people throughout the
win loss record. Okay, we can use the win lost work.
It's not a quarterback stat. Go back and look at
the win loss record over Joe Flacco's years that he
was there. Might be a little bit different. But they're
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also a really successful organization before Lamar Jackson got there.
You know, they went through a transition and change with
John Harbor and everything else. But the truth of them,
the Ravens have been successful since they went to Baltimore.
I mean, if they've won two super Bowls in that time,
not many of the franchises can you can say that.
So it's just bizarre to me that one of the
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best run franchise is one of the better owned franchises
some people are taking issue with in regards to Lamar,
and I just I don't see it that way. We've
talked about this so much. It's I'm with LaVar LaVar
on this one. Like, it's hard to want to keep
talking about it because you want to defend the player,
but he's not doing anything right now to make you
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want to defend him outside of the way he plays
the game and the heart that he plays with the
game with. There's nothing else right now that he's doing that.
That's that's defensible. It's too Baltimore is Baltimore to only
my bad Bros. Baltimore the only expansion team to win
the Super Bowl I think, so, huh. They relocated, so
it's not really they were the former Browns. Yeah, technically
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the Browns were the expansion team for yeah yeah, wow,
I mean, but the Ravens didn't exis this It was
a new franchise name Lisa, however, we want to say it, right,
they were rebranded change name. Yeah, Okay, well they went
because there wasn't they weren't the Colts, right, yeah, right?
So the expansion came back. Whatever I'm saying, a new
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team that's won the Super Bowl. They're the only they're
probably don't like what you think about the Texans. Who
else is there? The Jaguars, Jars, Panthers, Panthers. Yeah, that's
the they're the only ones. Yeah, they're the only ones
who won the Super Bowl. Yeah. And as we talked
about we talked about last week, I mean, you know,
the city of Cleveland finally got their revenge on Baltimore.
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Jimmy has them pulled out two thirty guaranteed, and now
the Ravens don't have a quarterback right now. So finally
got their revenge. Brady, how bad it rise up Cleveland?
But they got a Pro Bowl back up? Yeah, all right,
two pros and a couple of jokes. Yeah that too,
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team is saying absolutely not, absolutely not, but they may
not have a choice in the NFL. We'll get into
that for you, but right now we welcome in a
Thursday tradition unlike any other. He is Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
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Twitter at Albert Brier. Al Good morning. What's happening, Hi, Albert?
So Nope, there he is there. Oh man, I was
hoping we had more tentaical issues. Yeah we got Yes,
it's going on, Albert Nope, what's up, guys? Yeah? This
is perfect. Um, Hey, Albert, I gotta ask you at
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the owners meetings, what sort of dirty looks does Jimmy
has them? Get what he walks in the room. I
mean I think that there is, um definitely a feeling
that he put everybody else in a more difficult spot.
I'll say this in his defense, though, you know, if
there's only so many ways to get a quarterback to
sort of get you in that club, you know, where
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you have one of those elite guys and you have
to find a way to leverage it. And you're in Cleveland, Ohio,
and it's at harder to attract players to where you are.
What's that supposed to be? Well, you know what I mean?
I mean, I wait, I mean, wait a minute, Brett Brady,
hang on a second. Aren't you the guy who moved
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from Ohio to Florida? No shots fired? Geez, there were
some investment opportunities, Albert shots fired. I mean, there is
some incentivization to you know, with some investments and stuff.
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That is true. Me and Brady've actually had some side
conversations about the tax situation down there. It does sound. Yeah,
So like I think the thing, the thing that was
smart the brown to those they found an inefficiency in
the system, you know, and you know, if they figured
we're gonna be too good to be in the arranged
to draft on that high and we're sort of the
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forty five win NBA team with Baker Mayfield as our quarterback, like,
how do we level up? And the inefficiency in the
system is nobody's wanting to give guarantee contracts. So they
did that to get themselves into that sort of club
of teams that have an elite level of quarterbacks. So
um yeah, I mean he screwed the other owners on that,
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there's no question that. But he found an inefficiency in
the system. And if it means he broke ranks on collusion,
I don't think there's gonna be too many people that
are gonna feel sorry for the other thirty one. I
mean that's what I was going to ask you to, like, well,
I don't want to get into collusion because no one cares.
And honestly, like the NFLPA cries that every single time.
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It's like, we'll put mechanisms in then to stop that,
but they never will. Let's talk about Lamar. Will there
be another team that eventually submits in an offer sheet
or is he gonna have to put his tail between
his legs and go back to Baltimore. At this point,
you got to swallow his pride because this thing, it
feels like it the longer it goes on the worst
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it's getting. With how he's reacting with some of the
things he's doing and the fact that there's just no
suitors out there. Yeah, you know, Brady, I think you know,
I'll start with like where the relationship is on an
interpersonal level, and I'm not sure it's in the best
place right now. And honestly, we've seen Lamar stand on
principle on so many things. You know, I can't say
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that he's not going to throw his hands up and
say I'm not playing for them anymore. It's possible, you know,
we've seen him do things but make him an outlier
in so many different ways that you know, I don't
think you can rule anything out. I do think that
there are two things that you want to kind of
keep an eye on here. One is with the other teams. Yeah,
I think we're at the point now where there was
going to be an offer sheet before the draft that
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would have happened. When things get interesting is after the draft.
And let's say you're a team that has to pick
him the top ten and you're not Caroline or Houston,
so you're probably not going to get younger strout and
you're not wild about Levis or Richardson. Do you look
at it and say, let's use our top ten pick
on a Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson or Peter Scronsky
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or whoever else, get past the draft, and then sign
Lamar to an offer sheet, knowing now that we're gonna
have to give up first round picks, not this year,
but next year and the year after. And if you
have Lamar and your team, maybe you think that's not
going to be a top ten pick. That's going to
be the twenty fifth pick in the draft, if you
like in Indianapolis, Do you think about that? So I
think the next checkpoint in this for the other teams
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is a draft. The second piece is you know whether
or not there's a workable deal there. And I think
part of the problem right now, Brady, is because Lamar's
waited five years. He wants to win on every front.
And I think it's going to be a matter of
whether or not the Ravens are willing to lose on
every front or Lamar is willing to compromise. To me,
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that's where the stalemate is right now. And so you know,
I think Lamar's stood his ground on just about everything,
and the question is going to become is he willing
to compromise to get himself to generational wealth or is
he's so stuck on principle now that he's going to
have to win again on every and every single thing,
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like term money guarantees all of it. And you know,
I think once we get a little closer to OTAs
and closer to training, can't maybe create some tension where
there's some of them compromise from somebody. But um, to
this point, they haven't gotten there from one quarterback to another.
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Uh what about Aaron Rodgers situation. I mean we discussed
you earlier talking about how how you know green Bay
had so much leverage in all this leverage? Are you
still standing on that that statement, Albert Breer? And also, um,
does the deal finally get done now? That? Possibly from
my uh angle and maybe some of our other you
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know guys on the show's angle that well, green Bay
would be best served, you know, doing the deal, even
if it's second round draft picks. Yeah, I think a
deal could get done. Oh no, yes, yes, the deal,
the deal has done. Vintage Albert Breer interviews. Oh no,
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we could. We didn't hear anything said those those damn
motorole raisers. Yeah, do you live in the hobbit hole,
like similar to the one Aaron Rodgers. What's happening over there?
Do you live? I do live in a town where
cell service has gone awful. I don't know why. Maybe
it's the ocean. Like we're right, like, can we do this?
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Can we just go ahead and invest into a cell
phone tower and put it in your neighborhood somehow? Great?
That would be great. I don't know if our town
council would approve of it, but you can put it
in my backyard. By the way, he looked like a tree.
You know, that's what they do to get away with it,
you know, we make it look decorated, by the way,
how about Albert Breer just humbly kind of tossing in there. Yeah,
so I live near Yeah, I lived near the water.
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That ocean breeze HiT's a little different for Albert Brewer. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know what effect you like cell phone? Yeah,
it probably actually doesn't have any It was is just
a humble brag, no big deal. But on the you
were saying on the packers and the leverage front and
where this thing stands as far as draft compensation. Yeah,
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so I think Jonas, this could get done as soon
as this week, but absolutely before the draft. I think
the fact that everybody was in one place this week helps.
The relationships are the big thing. I mean, the two
head coaches, Matt Lord Robert Sala are legitimately best friends.
The general managers have a really good rapport from having
been road scouts. The best case scenario for everybody just
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gets done soon. It helps the Packers because they can
move on to Jordan Love. They can use picks this
year to make their team better. Obviously, the Jets want
to get Aaron Rodgers in the fold as soon as possible,
and so I mean, I think right now, you know,
and again like these things are fragile and everything else,
but I think, you know, it's possible something gets done
by the end of the week. And I think that
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this is probably not going to include the thirteenth overall pick.
Clean I think there's going to be some level of
creativity to whatever the deal is. And I said to
you guys, I think the last couple of weeks, you know,
I think it'll be a second round pick and then
in an asset next year, and there maybe there's some
creative things they could do. Maybe there's a pick swap
or whatever with first rounders. But you know, I think,
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you know, ultimately this thing gets done pretty soon. And
I put it this way, I think we're a lot
closer to having a conclusion to the Aaron Rodgers saga
than we are having a conclusion to Lamar Jackson saga.
Albert brierre joining us here on Fox Sports Radio Thursday
Night Football. It came out at the owners meetings. I
know you were tweeting about this and discussing it that
now teams can play multiple Thursday night games in the
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upcoming season. What about flexing on Thursday night? How close
are we did that becoming a reality? Yeah, I think
it's kind of weird that we haven't heard anything from
the union on this yet. You know, I was telling
you no GM at the meetings, and yeah, he explained
to me how players it's not just like the turnaround
and how hard it is to get yourself ready to
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go on a Thursday after playing on a Sunday. Yeah,
he actually said he's hurt from his players, his older
players at least, that they feel it for a couple
of weeks after and so now having to do that
twice and having to do that not just twice, but
then the second time is right before the playoffs. And
if you think about it, by design, it's going to
be playoff teams flucked into those into those windows, right, Like,
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So you're gonna have playoff teams flucks into those windows
in December and January. And does that mean you're gonna
get a crappy a problem with in those Thursdays? Probably?
Does that mean like you could have guys missing those
games because of injury because they've less time to get
themselves back in the field. Probably. Does that mean you're
going to have more worn out players when you get
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to the playoffs. I think that's possible too. So I mean,
like I understand why they're doing it. They want to
make Amazon happy, and Amazon invested a lot in Amazon
is such an important partner going forward. But at one
what point is enough enough? You know what I mean? Like,
if you want to give Amazon another another game like Naked,
that Saturday game in December January, you know, I just
(28:09):
think you keep doing these things, and especially in the
year after everything happened with two A last year, I
just I think that this is one of those things
that's just it's unnecessary and it's them pushing things a
little bit too far. And I think the only one,
the only party that benefits here is Amazon. But you know,
seeing is where the vote was that it was twenty
(28:31):
two yes, eight no and two abstentions. You know, my
guess is Roger Goodell is going to get two to
flip by May and we're gonna have flex schedule and
for Thursday night ers come December. In January, Albert, does
the NFL, I mean, obviouslydden I know the NFL PA
doesn't really take this into account. And I don't know
if they're blindsided by this, but you would have thought
(28:53):
they would have put in mechanisms to be able to
have a say in all this and not just allow
the owners to vote. Did it become the reality? But
do they ever think about the fans, Like I know,
the idea of flex like flex scheduling that Thursday football
was tabled till May, but let's say it passes in May.
I mean, how do you expect a family that's got
(29:15):
a weekend trip prepared, you know, two weeks out right
now that game gets flexed into a Thursday football game,
that that family's out of money for a flight, hotel, like,
I mean, how do they plan on handling that? I mean, like,
let's just talk about the four of us guys they
could put They could put one of these games on
a moon on a Tuesday night and we would tune in, right,
(29:37):
sure might even try to tell I mean so, but
but yeah, I actually I would be kind of cool, right,
go see a game on the moon? Yeah? Yeah, Like
I honestly like that's part of the problem here, I
think is that what sort of fan is going and traveling.
I've got a lot of friends that like go like that,
do the guide trip thing to go to like Vegas
(29:58):
for a game, or go to Chicago for game or
whatever it is, and like they plan that like when
the schedule comes out in May and June, right, and
so that can get wrecked. Now, the thing is the
fan who does that as the fan the NFL has.
The NFL is not losing that fan. That fan might
get really pissed about it, but in the end, that
fan is not gonna They're not losing that fan. And
(30:20):
that's what I think sucks about this is like that
to this screws like this screws the fan that's locked
in that is you know, the core fan of pro
football and so I hear you one hundred percent on that, Brady, Like,
and I think it's a great point. And John Marraw
made that point, like, what about the people who are
in the stadium believe more important and because they know
(30:46):
they have that fan, they I don't care less about
doing something like this And did my phone fade in
and out there? Yeah? Yeah, can we start a Twitter
account to raise money for Albert? Maybe that's maybe we
could raise some money so you guys could put behind
zoom and then we would have no problem. Yeah, well
(31:08):
we don't want to be Yeah, just so you know,
Albert Jonas creates all these different a bunch of crap.
He's got one for Lavara's knee. That's that's a bunch
of crap. And that sounds where could you please elaborate
on that because that sounds Wow, you're one of those guys. No,
that's not me to no, no, no, here's the here's
(31:30):
the irony. He's the best part. He creates Twitter accounts
that only harass himself. Yeah, so that he'll retweet these
ridiculous things, these Twitter accounts, that's what it's actually because
he wants people to think so Albert, it's like when
Brian Bosworth created those T shirts attacking him, and it
was him behind the designs and all that because he
(31:52):
was a real businessman. I don't have any of that
going on. But Brady's been accusing me of that for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I could go through a large facts that I've been
able to actually bring up about this, but I won't
hijack this segment with you because we're already over there.
But I mean, if anybody wants to make in Albert
Brier's cell phone Twitter account, I mean you know you
(32:15):
have the you know, the authority to do it. According
to Brady Quinn, So is it gonna gwitch as much
as your phone does. It's not the Duxbury cell tower
fund right, Yes, yes, it'll be done. Get him on
Twitter though at Albert Breer. Albert always appreciate it, man,
Thanks so much for the time, senior NFL reporter at
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So apparently the Chicago Bears have heard the rumblings that
(35:11):
they could be one of the teams that's on Hard
Knocks this year for HBO, And you know, they've got
the Bears speaking out on it, like George McCaskey, who's
not a very well like guy in the city there.
He's the Bears chairman who said, quote, we feel there
are a number of teams that have compelling stories to
tell on Hard Knocks, the Try, the thirty one others.
(35:32):
So that's his thought on The problem is the problem
is there's criterias for this. So you can have done
the show in the last ten years, you can't have
made the playoffs the last two years, and you can't
have a first year coach. So the only teams that
qualify are the Bears, the Saints, the Commandos, and the
(35:55):
New York Jets. So it's gonna be one of those
four teams. It's gonna be on Hard Knocks. She's already
done Hard Knocks. Yeah, but that would I thought the
same thing. It was twenty ten was last time they
did it. I thought it was more recent than that,
but it was, well, I guess my point is is
the Bears have never done hard knocks right ever, and
the Jets have who is Washington's never done it? And
(36:16):
the Saints and then the Saints have never They've never
done it? No, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one.
I mean, what makes the Saints entertaining though more entertaining?
Actually they're also to be entertaining, but what makes it
more entertaining? Derek car Well, I was just gonna say,
Derek Carr has been on hard knocks recently though, so
that's where they might not be, like, all right, do
(36:38):
we really want to follow him there? Or do we
want to go with the Jets and Aaron Rodgers? And
that would be fun, which it would be. That's the
most entertaining one, that would be the best. But there's
also you know the Bears. You know Bears be there's
just nothing really interesting about the Bears. I would all say,
(36:59):
what if the command Endos have a new owner? For
a second, you're a Bears fan, do you want this?
You're talking to Lavari time to me, I'm talking to you.
I didn't know he talking to yad Um. I don't
really care to be honest with you like I think
Bears fans care. I mean speak for Bears fans right now.
(37:21):
I don't think the Bears fans really care. And I
don't think the Bears fans care about a lot of
this stuff that the organization throws out there, like the
stadium and getting it built and whether it should be
a dome and all that stuff. You know, Bears fans
care about. Why don't you not, Why don't you not
be the worst team in the league again, that's how
that would that would try that one on for size.
Figure out a way to protect your quarterback so that
they're not still looking around for a franchise quarterback. They're
(37:43):
the only team in the league who's never had a
four thousand yard passer in a season. It's disgusting, it
is so So, before you go off on a tirade,
I'm good. I'm good. You know, it doesn't seem like
anything that's done hard knocks has had success that year?
Is that accurate? Accurate? Yes? Well, but didn't that didn't
that Jets team go to the a FC Championship games?
I don't was it that year they went or was
(38:05):
it a previous year. I think maybe it was a
previous I don't know. I don't know that any team
has gone to a conference championship game. Is from from
my recollection, and if you go back to look this,
usually they don't even make the playoffs. Yeah, so to me,
I think it's gonna I think the Commandos are the
betting favorite. I think it'll be the Commandos because the
(38:27):
league will want to present Hey, brand new owner, brand
new face of the team. Give it a year, do
you think so? I don't think you want that transition
whatever baggage comes along with that. I think it's Bears
or Jets, and Jets, to LaVar's point, are the most entertaining. Yeah,
that's definitely for me. Yeah, Bears. The Commandos would be entertaining, though,
(38:48):
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I'm not going dude. All right, So here's the latest
speculation on Lamar Jackson. So you know the New England Patriots.
So the Patriots have been a team. A lot of
people looked at and said Belichick loves mobile quarterbacks. That
(02:10):
could make some sense. No, that's not happening. It's definitely
not happening that. According to Jeff Howe of The Athletic,
he stopped for a second just with that comment. Bill
Belichick loves mobile quarterbacks. Okay, uh, William want any point
in time when he's a head coach that he's had
a mobile quarter That's why he loves him. You know
you want Trump whatso was before Brady and then it
(02:34):
was Castle who filled in when Brady was hurt. Then
they drafted Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round. Who that like?
But then no, no big deal, they only draft Mac Jones,
who was the least athletic of any of the quarterbacks
in that draft class. But no, he loves athletic quarterbacks.
I don't think Tom Brady was athletic. I mean he
won't hold on, no pump the brakes for a second.
(02:55):
I'm saying in the context of the NFL. Okay, like,
don't get it twisted. Mac Jones could go out run
a pickup game and probably school all y'all who are
listening right now, And and you guys said, what are
you talking about pick up basketball? Like they're they're NFL athletes.
These are world class athletes. I'm just saying in the
context of like Lamar Jackson and what he's capable of
(03:19):
doing in the NFL versus what Mac Jones is two
completely different athletes. Yeah, so listen, maybe Belichick just once
what he can't have. That was according to many people
out there that the Patriots and Lamar Jackson would make
some sense. Listen, I'm not spinning yards here. That was
some of the speculation. But according to Jeff Howard the Athletic,
the Patriots are not interested in Lamar Jackson. That is
(03:42):
not the case. They're not interested. And I'm a little shocked.
And let me tell you why. I'm stunned by this.
I thought, for sure, if any two people could get
a deal done for Lamar Jackson, it would be Meek
Mill and Kenny blow Blowflex whatever his name is, the
Lamar Jackson side of things. Who sling in Jim equipment.
(04:03):
I thought for sure Meek Mill and that guy get together,
they could actually make this deal happen. I'm stunned that
the Patriots also would want out on Lamar Jackson because
now everybody else seems to be running away from Lamar Jackson.
And now you've got people telling him to stay off Twitter.
You've got Dion Sanders telling him to stop defending himself,
(04:23):
you know, talking about Arthur Blank and the Falcons pointing
out the injury history and all that. This has gone
so poorly the last week or so for Lamar Jackson.
I just don't know what the resolution is. I really don't.
I didn't nobody, nobody expected it was going to go
this poorly for him, and again he is down on
the scorecards. We could call this at ten seven, multiple
(04:43):
knockdown round for the Ravens in this negotiation. He's got
to wait until after the draft, and he's got a
hope that there becomes another bidder where there's someone who
would want to I mean, I was gonna say, how
peas whatever contract he's looking for. The hard part is,
you know, in negotiations, you got to find a way
(05:07):
of making a deal that works for both parties. It
seems like the deal he wants is one sided and
it's only him. The owners don't want to shell out
that much money. I went through a list of reasons
why they don't and the escrow issue. For whatever reason,
I was up talking about a buddy about this yesterday.
It's like people talk about that a bunch. I go, No,
(05:28):
they don't, I go. People talk about a lot of
other stupid reasons why this deal isn't getting done. They
don't talk about a lot of facts and things that
happen behind the scenes, like that escrow rule where you've
got to have, you know, a certain amount of guaranteed
moneys put away in escrow, and so they don't. You know,
owners don't want to do a huge deal where they
have to put a huge amount of money away in escrow.
No one wants to do that. Yeah, by the way,
(05:50):
you listening right now, don't want to do that. If
they told you had to put a bunch of money
into an escrow account for your mortgage, you'd be like, no,
I'd rather keep that money and I'll go ahead and
continue to make my monthly payments or an annual payment.
Like It's just it's not how you'd want to do
business if you're a homeowner, if you're a business owner,
if you're an owner of a franchise. So that's one
(06:10):
of the bigger sticking points that no one talks about.
But the truth is he's not being flexible at all
in regards to Okay, let's say I'm not gonna get
a fully guaranteed deal to surpass to Shaun Watson this offseason. Okay,
that's the reality of it, Like there's a lot of
free agents right now who've signed one year deals, who've
(06:31):
probably got agents who have told them, look, not a
great market for you. Let's try to sign a one
year deal, get paid, and let's go have a great year,
and we'll try to couple that into a longer deal
next year or a bigger deal next year. That's what
his agent would be telling him. That's what someone should
be telling him. If you had a three year, one
hundred and thirty three fully guaranteed deal on the table,
(06:53):
go take it, because two years from now you're gonna
be able to re up that deal if you play well,
if you do what you're capable of doing. But now
it's like, all right, I guess he's gonna have to
go to the franchise tag route and he's gonna just
gonna pay for thirty two million and he's gonna leave
one hundred and thirty three fully guaranteed. Which he is
the one that put that out there that he turned down, Well,
(07:14):
that's on him. So at some point he's got to
check his pride. If after the draft there's no other suitors,
and that's an if like like Indy could be involved
in the mix, maybe there's another team that's involved in
the mix that becomes a suitor, But he's gonna have
to change his tune to how to what he's looking
for in a contract. Otherwise he's gonna come back and
(07:35):
play for the Baltimore Ravens. Because if he sits out
of here, I don't think that makes things any better
for a situation. It doesn't make things better for the
situation because it becomes a loss because all of those
questions that are raised to basically minimize what his contracts
should be become bigger questions if he sits out of season.
(07:56):
He can't afford to sit out at season and think
that he's going to get you know, payment he's looking
for if he's not getting it this year. So but
it does play into what the conversation being had. You
know what it represents, which is the motivation, which is
the wanting to prove it right. You're talking about the
(08:18):
age and telling him come back and play at a
high level so we can try to get you a
better contract. Who you think is more likely to play
their ass off this year, Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson.
I would say Lamar Jackson, all right, and and and
just say, for the sake of saying, you know what
(08:40):
they both have, let's just say they both have a
really really good season. Doesn't matter for Lamar Jackson, Yes,
doesn't matter for Deshaun Watson, No, not so much. Once
you get to that guaranteed mark of where Deshaun Watson is,
it's like, Okay, he has a bad year, you'll call
him a bust. They spend too much money, buyer's remorse.
(09:03):
If he has a great year, it's like, yeah, he
was worth the money, or well, Cleveland looks to be
benefiting from their their investment. But you know what Deshaun
Watson is doing, cashing checks like it's there when loser draw.
Doesn't matter what they say about him. He's cashing checks.
There's no real motivation there other than that intrinsic, you know,
(09:25):
inside built internal motivation. But Lamar Jackson has all he
has to be motivated to not only not sit out,
but to play and and bet on himself and play well.
And he has to hope that playing well means playing
well for an extended full full season and then extended
(09:47):
full season of time to put to put the rest
that conversation that narrative and he and listen for what
it's worth. Maybe there will always be criticisms towards Lamar
jack his game. That's just how sports is. It's not
anything like connected to any other alternative, you know, type
of belief or thought process. That's just sports. Everybody's going
(10:10):
to get criticized. There's going to be scrutiny on everybody.
But if he can put and dispel enough things being
discussed about him where it justifies the conversation of what
he should be compensated, then at least at that point,
you know that's he's he's working to prove it. And
(10:30):
that's all about not having a guarantee like fully guaranteed
over two hundred and thirty million, fully guaranteed at two
hundred and twenty million, whatever it may be. You are
getting in a danger zone if you get too many
guys that are getting those type of contracts in the
National Football League. If they came back to Lamar Jackson
(10:52):
and they meeting the Baltimore Ravens and said, look, we
understand that you're not happy about how things are. Here's
what we will to do. We don't want you to
just come back and take an offer that you've already
sent out and let everybody know the dollar amount being
the one thirty three guaranteed over three years. We'll do
you a solid. We'll bump it up a little bit.
We'll make it one thirty five, one forty over three years,
(11:14):
and you'll get another bite at the apple before you're
thirty years old. How the hell is he not accepting
that at this point? Like what else does he need
to see before he realizes, dude, it ain't happening. And
the longer this goes on and the older you get,
the less likely it's going to happen. Like, I just
I don't know. Why is there nobody talking to him? Like?
(11:36):
Or is he just dead set on this? Is he
got nobody in his ear saying hey, man, like this
is actually a really good deal and you're going to
get another opportunity to test free agency before you're thirty
Like how is that not in any of the conversations
that he's that he's had with it, Like that's the
part that's surprising with me. Or maybe he's just at
the point to where, Yeah, I don't want to be
(11:56):
in Baltimore anymore. I don't want to be here anymore.
And try to figure out a way to facilitate a trade.
Yet then you see reports that he was negotiating as
late as last week with Baltimore again trying to get
a deal done. I just to me, this all falls
on Lamar Jackson and people trying to point out, well,
the Raven should have done this, should have done that.
It feels like they've done their part. Lamar Jackson hasn't
(12:18):
done his. I don't know. The whole thing is strange,
but again it's another tale of the Lamar Jackson saga
and another angle for a year. Imagine, by the way,
if you drafted the guy right, like you're the team
that went out and instead of him slipping to the
second round, and I believe they traded up the thirty
two to take them too, right, Yeah, with New England
(12:38):
they traded up to take you. So there's there's an
element of like goodwill debt all that stuff for or equity.
I guess that they should have with him, you know,
in his heart, they've continually built around him. I talked
about that, whether it's drafted receiver, trying to sign PHRASI receivers,
tight ends, puilding the offensive line, running back stable, etc.
(12:59):
Pay Greg Roman, one of the better offensive minds that
has worked with more athletic quarterbacks, a boatload of money.
He was getting like four million a year and instead
of him leaving for a head coaching job, to stay
there and that didn't work out, so they brought in
a new offensive coordinator for him. And yet meanwhile he's
got Kenny Bowflex's Jonas calls him, or Ken Francis. He's
(13:23):
got him going around trying to contact teams, but he's
not even allowed or able to. Like, how would you
feel as an organization if that was the case, Like,
you'd have to feel pretty burned, pretty frustrated if that
was what was going on behind the scenes, and the
guy's making offers that are just unreasonable. I mean, it's
(13:45):
one thing if he was coming like people tend to
forgive when Joe Flacker reset the quarterback market, he was
coming off a super Bowl. He bettered himself and it
worked out, and the timing of it and everything. He
was literally Super Bowl MVP and was unbelievable in the playoffs, unbelievable.
And so if you if you want to compared the
(14:06):
two scenarios for Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks, you couldn't have a
starker contrast between the two. You've got a guy who's
coming off a super Bowl win, an MVP about to
get free agency, and then one that's missed time to
pass two years, hasn't been the same player since that
MVP season, And we could chalk it up to whatever
we want to. But now you're trying to capitalize on
(14:28):
that leverage to beat the highest paid quarterback at your position.
You could say highest paid player your position, and it
wouldn't make any sense based on how the last two
years have gone. And I love how people throughout the
win loss record. Okay, we can use the win lost work.
It's not a quarterback stat. Go back and look at
the win loss record over Joe Flacco's years that he
was there. Might be a little bit different. But they're
(14:50):
also a really successful organization before Lamar Jackson got there.
You know, they went through a transition and change with
John Harbor and everything else. But the truth of them,
the Ravens have been successful since they went to Baltimore.
I mean, if they've won two super Bowls in that time,
not many of the franchises can you can say that.
So it's just bizarre to me that one of the
(15:12):
best run franchise is one of the better owned franchises
some people are taking issue with in regards to Lamar,
and I just I don't see it that way. We've
talked about this so much. It's I'm with LaVar LaVar
on this one. Like, it's hard to want to keep
talking about it because you want to defend the player,
but he's not doing anything right now to make you
(15:32):
want to defend him outside of the way he plays
the game and the heart that he plays with the
game with. There's nothing else right now that he's doing that.
That's that's defensible. It's too Baltimore is Baltimore to only
my bad Bros. Baltimore the only expansion team to win
the Super Bowl I think, so, huh. They relocated, so
it's not really they were the former Browns. Yeah, technically
(15:55):
the Browns were the expansion team for yeah yeah, wow,
I mean, but the Ravens didn't exis this It was
a new franchise name Lisa, however, we want to say it, right,
they were rebranded change name. Yeah, Okay, well they went
because there wasn't they weren't the Colts, right, yeah, right?
So the expansion came back. Whatever I'm saying, a new
(16:17):
team that's won the Super Bowl. They're the only they're
probably don't like what you think about the Texans. Who
else is there? The Jaguars, Jars, Panthers, Panthers. Yeah, that's
the they're the only ones. Yeah, they're the only ones
who won the Super Bowl. Yeah. And as we talked
about we talked about last week, I mean, you know,
the city of Cleveland finally got their revenge on Baltimore.
(16:39):
Jimmy has them pulled out two thirty guaranteed, and now
the Ravens don't have a quarterback right now. So finally
got their revenge. Brady, how bad it rise up Cleveland?
But they got a Pro Bowl back up? Yeah, all right,
two pros and a couple of jokes. Yeah that too,
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team is saying absolutely not, absolutely not, but they may
not have a choice in the NFL. We'll get into
that for you, but right now we welcome in a
Thursday tradition unlike any other. He is Albert Breer, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
(17:46):
Twitter at Albert Brier. Al Good morning. What's happening, Hi, Albert?
So Nope, there he is there. Oh man, I was
hoping we had more tentaical issues. Yeah we got Yes,
it's going on, Albert Nope, what's up, guys? Yeah? This
is perfect. Um, Hey, Albert, I gotta ask you at
(18:10):
the owners meetings, what sort of dirty looks does Jimmy
has them? Get what he walks in the room. I
mean I think that there is, um definitely a feeling
that he put everybody else in a more difficult spot.
I'll say this in his defense, though, you know, if
there's only so many ways to get a quarterback to
sort of get you in that club, you know, where
(18:32):
you have one of those elite guys and you have
to find a way to leverage it. And you're in Cleveland, Ohio,
and it's at harder to attract players to where you are.
What's that supposed to be? Well, you know what I mean?
I mean, I wait, I mean, wait a minute, Brett Brady,
hang on a second. Aren't you the guy who moved
(18:53):
from Ohio to Florida? No shots fired? Geez, there were
some investment opportunities, Albert shots fired. I mean, there is
some incentivization to you know, with some investments and stuff.
(19:13):
That is true. Me and Brady've actually had some side
conversations about the tax situation down there. It does sound. Yeah,
So like I think the thing, the thing that was
smart the brown to those they found an inefficiency in
the system, you know, and you know, if they figured
we're gonna be too good to be in the arranged
to draft on that high and we're sort of the
(19:37):
forty five win NBA team with Baker Mayfield as our quarterback, like,
how do we level up? And the inefficiency in the
system is nobody's wanting to give guarantee contracts. So they
did that to get themselves into that sort of club
of teams that have an elite level of quarterbacks. So
um yeah, I mean he screwed the other owners on that,
(19:58):
there's no question that. But he found an inefficiency in
the system. And if it means he broke ranks on collusion,
I don't think there's gonna be too many people that
are gonna feel sorry for the other thirty one. I
mean that's what I was going to ask you to, like, well,
I don't want to get into collusion because no one cares.
And honestly, like the NFLPA cries that every single time.
(20:19):
It's like, we'll put mechanisms in then to stop that,
but they never will. Let's talk about Lamar. Will there
be another team that eventually submits in an offer sheet
or is he gonna have to put his tail between
his legs and go back to Baltimore. At this point,
you got to swallow his pride because this thing, it
feels like it the longer it goes on the worst
(20:41):
it's getting. With how he's reacting with some of the
things he's doing and the fact that there's just no
suitors out there. Yeah, you know, Brady, I think you know,
I'll start with like where the relationship is on an
interpersonal level, and I'm not sure it's in the best
place right now. And honestly, we've seen Lamar stand on
principle on so many things. You know, I can't say
(21:04):
that he's not going to throw his hands up and
say I'm not playing for them anymore. It's possible, you know,
we've seen him do things but make him an outlier
in so many different ways that you know, I don't
think you can rule anything out. I do think that
there are two things that you want to kind of
keep an eye on here. One is with the other teams. Yeah,
I think we're at the point now where there was
going to be an offer sheet before the draft that
(21:25):
would have happened. When things get interesting is after the draft.
And let's say you're a team that has to pick
him the top ten and you're not Caroline or Houston,
so you're probably not going to get younger strout and
you're not wild about Levis or Richardson. Do you look
at it and say, let's use our top ten pick
on a Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson or Peter Scronsky
(21:47):
or whoever else, get past the draft, and then sign
Lamar to an offer sheet, knowing now that we're gonna
have to give up first round picks, not this year,
but next year and the year after. And if you
have Lamar and your team, maybe you think that's not
going to be a top ten pick. That's going to
be the twenty fifth pick in the draft, if you
like in Indianapolis, Do you think about that? So I
think the next checkpoint in this for the other teams
(22:08):
is a draft. The second piece is you know whether
or not there's a workable deal there. And I think
part of the problem right now, Brady, is because Lamar's
waited five years. He wants to win on every front.
And I think it's going to be a matter of
whether or not the Ravens are willing to lose on
every front or Lamar is willing to compromise. To me,
(22:29):
that's where the stalemate is right now. And so you know,
I think Lamar's stood his ground on just about everything,
and the question is going to become is he willing
to compromise to get himself to generational wealth or is
he's so stuck on principle now that he's going to
have to win again on every and every single thing,
(22:51):
like term money guarantees all of it. And you know,
I think once we get a little closer to OTAs
and closer to training, can't maybe create some tension where
there's some of them compromise from somebody. But um, to
this point, they haven't gotten there from one quarterback to another.
(23:11):
Uh what about Aaron Rodgers situation. I mean we discussed
you earlier talking about how how you know green Bay
had so much leverage in all this leverage? Are you
still standing on that that statement, Albert Breer? And also, um,
does the deal finally get done now? That? Possibly from
my uh angle and maybe some of our other you
(23:34):
know guys on the show's angle that well, green Bay
would be best served, you know, doing the deal, even
if it's second round draft picks. Yeah, I think a
deal could get done. Oh no, yes, yes, the deal,
the deal has done. Vintage Albert Breer interviews. Oh no,
(24:02):
we could. We didn't hear anything said those those damn
motorole raisers. Yeah, do you live in the hobbit hole,
like similar to the one Aaron Rodgers. What's happening over there?
Do you live? I do live in a town where
cell service has gone awful. I don't know why. Maybe
it's the ocean. Like we're right, like, can we do this?
(24:25):
Can we just go ahead and invest into a cell
phone tower and put it in your neighborhood somehow? Great?
That would be great. I don't know if our town
council would approve of it, but you can put it
in my backyard. By the way, he looked like a tree.
You know, that's what they do to get away with it,
you know, we make it look decorated, by the way,
how about Albert Breer just humbly kind of tossing in there. Yeah,
so I live near Yeah, I lived near the water.
(24:47):
That ocean breeze HiT's a little different for Albert Brewer. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know what effect you like cell phone? Yeah,
it probably actually doesn't have any It was is just
a humble brag, no big deal. But on the you
were saying on the packers and the leverage front and
where this thing stands as far as draft compensation. Yeah,
(25:09):
so I think Jonas, this could get done as soon
as this week, but absolutely before the draft. I think
the fact that everybody was in one place this week helps.
The relationships are the big thing. I mean, the two
head coaches, Matt Lord Robert Sala are legitimately best friends.
The general managers have a really good rapport from having
been road scouts. The best case scenario for everybody just
(25:33):
gets done soon. It helps the Packers because they can
move on to Jordan Love. They can use picks this
year to make their team better. Obviously, the Jets want
to get Aaron Rodgers in the fold as soon as possible,
and so I mean, I think right now, you know,
and again like these things are fragile and everything else,
but I think, you know, it's possible something gets done
by the end of the week. And I think that
(25:56):
this is probably not going to include the thirteenth overall pick.
Clean I think there's going to be some level of
creativity to whatever the deal is. And I said to
you guys, I think the last couple of weeks, you know,
I think it'll be a second round pick and then
in an asset next year, and there maybe there's some
creative things they could do. Maybe there's a pick swap
or whatever with first rounders. But you know, I think,
(26:19):
you know, ultimately this thing gets done pretty soon. And
I put it this way, I think we're a lot
closer to having a conclusion to the Aaron Rodgers saga
than we are having a conclusion to Lamar Jackson saga.
Albert brierre joining us here on Fox Sports Radio Thursday
Night Football. It came out at the owners meetings. I
know you were tweeting about this and discussing it that
now teams can play multiple Thursday night games in the
(26:42):
upcoming season. What about flexing on Thursday night? How close
are we did that becoming a reality? Yeah, I think
it's kind of weird that we haven't heard anything from
the union on this yet. You know, I was telling
you no GM at the meetings, and yeah, he explained
to me how players it's not just like the turnaround
and how hard it is to get yourself ready to
(27:04):
go on a Thursday after playing on a Sunday. Yeah,
he actually said he's hurt from his players, his older
players at least, that they feel it for a couple
of weeks after and so now having to do that
twice and having to do that not just twice, but
then the second time is right before the playoffs. And
if you think about it, by design, it's going to
be playoff teams flucked into those into those windows, right, Like,
(27:26):
So you're gonna have playoff teams flucks into those windows
in December and January. And does that mean you're gonna
get a crappy a problem with in those Thursdays? Probably?
Does that mean like you could have guys missing those
games because of injury because they've less time to get
themselves back in the field. Probably. Does that mean you're
going to have more worn out players when you get
(27:46):
to the playoffs. I think that's possible too. So I mean,
like I understand why they're doing it. They want to
make Amazon happy, and Amazon invested a lot in Amazon
is such an important partner going forward. But at one
what point is enough enough? You know what I mean? Like,
if you want to give Amazon another another game like Naked,
that Saturday game in December January, you know, I just
(28:09):
think you keep doing these things, and especially in the
year after everything happened with two A last year, I
just I think that this is one of those things
that's just it's unnecessary and it's them pushing things a
little bit too far. And I think the only one,
the only party that benefits here is Amazon. But you know,
seeing is where the vote was that it was twenty
(28:31):
two yes, eight no and two abstentions. You know, my
guess is Roger Goodell is going to get two to
flip by May and we're gonna have flex schedule and
for Thursday night ers come December. In January, Albert, does
the NFL, I mean, obviouslydden I know the NFL PA
doesn't really take this into account. And I don't know
if they're blindsided by this, but you would have thought
(28:53):
they would have put in mechanisms to be able to
have a say in all this and not just allow
the owners to vote. Did it become the reality? But
do they ever think about the fans, Like I know,
the idea of flex like flex scheduling that Thursday football
was tabled till May, but let's say it passes in May.
I mean, how do you expect a family that's got
(29:15):
a weekend trip prepared, you know, two weeks out right
now that game gets flexed into a Thursday football game,
that that family's out of money for a flight, hotel, like,
I mean, how do they plan on handling that? I mean, like,
let's just talk about the four of us guys they
could put They could put one of these games on
a moon on a Tuesday night and we would tune in, right,
(29:37):
sure might even try to tell I mean so, but
but yeah, I actually I would be kind of cool, right,
go see a game on the moon? Yeah? Yeah, Like
I honestly like that's part of the problem here, I
think is that what sort of fan is going and traveling.
I've got a lot of friends that like go like that,
do the guide trip thing to go to like Vegas
(29:58):
for a game, or go to Chicago for game or
whatever it is, and like they plan that like when
the schedule comes out in May and June, right, and
so that can get wrecked. Now, the thing is the
fan who does that as the fan the NFL has.
The NFL is not losing that fan. That fan might
get really pissed about it, but in the end, that
fan is not gonna They're not losing that fan. And
(30:20):
that's what I think sucks about this is like that
to this screws like this screws the fan that's locked
in that is you know, the core fan of pro
football and so I hear you one hundred percent on that, Brady, Like,
and I think it's a great point. And John Marraw
made that point, like, what about the people who are
in the stadium believe more important and because they know
(30:46):
they have that fan, they I don't care less about
doing something like this And did my phone fade in
and out there? Yeah? Yeah, can we start a Twitter
account to raise money for Albert? Maybe that's maybe we
could raise some money so you guys could put behind
zoom and then we would have no problem. Yeah, well
(31:08):
we don't want to be Yeah, just so you know,
Albert Jonas creates all these different a bunch of crap.
He's got one for Lavara's knee. That's that's a bunch
of crap. And that sounds where could you please elaborate
on that because that sounds Wow, you're one of those guys. No,
that's not me to no, no, no, here's the here's
(31:30):
the irony. He's the best part. He creates Twitter accounts
that only harass himself. Yeah, so that he'll retweet these
ridiculous things, these Twitter accounts, that's what it's actually because
he wants people to think so Albert, it's like when
Brian Bosworth created those T shirts attacking him, and it
was him behind the designs and all that because he
(31:52):
was a real businessman. I don't have any of that
going on. But Brady's been accusing me of that for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I could go through a large facts that I've been
able to actually bring up about this, but I won't
hijack this segment with you because we're already over there.
But I mean, if anybody wants to make in Albert
Brier's cell phone Twitter account, I mean you know you
(32:15):
have the you know, the authority to do it. According
to Brady Quinn, So is it gonna gwitch as much
as your phone does. It's not the Duxbury cell tower
fund right, Yes, yes, it'll be done. Get him on
Twitter though at Albert Breer. Albert always appreciate it, man,
Thanks so much for the time, senior NFL reporter at
(32:35):
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So apparently the Chicago Bears have heard the rumblings that
(35:11):
they could be one of the teams that's on Hard
Knocks this year for HBO, And you know, they've got
the Bears speaking out on it, like George McCaskey, who's
not a very well like guy in the city there.
He's the Bears chairman who said, quote, we feel there
are a number of teams that have compelling stories to
tell on Hard Knocks, the Try, the thirty one others.
(35:32):
So that's his thought on The problem is the problem
is there's criterias for this. So you can have done
the show in the last ten years, you can't have
made the playoffs the last two years, and you can't
have a first year coach. So the only teams that
qualify are the Bears, the Saints, the Commandos, and the
(35:55):
New York Jets. So it's gonna be one of those
four teams. It's gonna be on Hard Knocks. She's already
done Hard Knocks. Yeah, but that would I thought the
same thing. It was twenty ten was last time they
did it. I thought it was more recent than that,
but it was, well, I guess my point is is
the Bears have never done hard knocks right ever, and
the Jets have who is Washington's never done it? And
(36:16):
the Saints and then the Saints have never They've never
done it? No, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one.
I mean, what makes the Saints entertaining though more entertaining?
Actually they're also to be entertaining, but what makes it
more entertaining? Derek car Well, I was just gonna say,
Derek Carr has been on hard knocks recently though, so
that's where they might not be, like, all right, do
(36:38):
we really want to follow him there? Or do we
want to go with the Jets and Aaron Rodgers? And
that would be fun, which it would be. That's the
most entertaining one, that would be the best. But there's
also you know the Bears. You know Bears be there's
just nothing really interesting about the Bears. I would all say,
(36:59):
what if the command Endos have a new owner? For
a second, you're a Bears fan, do you want this?
You're talking to Lavari time to me, I'm talking to you.
I didn't know he talking to yad Um. I don't
really care to be honest with you like I think
Bears fans care. I mean speak for Bears fans right now.
(37:21):
I don't think the Bears fans really care. And I
don't think the Bears fans care about a lot of
this stuff that the organization throws out there, like the
stadium and getting it built and whether it should be
a dome and all that stuff. You know, Bears fans
care about. Why don't you not, Why don't you not
be the worst team in the league again, that's how
that would that would try that one on for size.
Figure out a way to protect your quarterback so that
they're not still looking around for a franchise quarterback. They're
(37:43):
the only team in the league who's never had a
four thousand yard passer in a season. It's disgusting, it
is so So, before you go off on a tirade,
I'm good. I'm good. You know, it doesn't seem like
anything that's done hard knocks has had success that year?
Is that accurate? Accurate? Yes? Well, but didn't that didn't
that Jets team go to the a FC Championship games?
I don't was it that year they went or was
(38:05):
it a previous year. I think maybe it was a
previous I don't know. I don't know that any team
has gone to a conference championship game. Is from from
my recollection, and if you go back to look this,
usually they don't even make the playoffs. Yeah, so to me,
I think it's gonna I think the Commandos are the
betting favorite. I think it'll be the Commandos because the
(38:27):
league will want to present Hey, brand new owner, brand
new face of the team. Give it a year, do
you think so? I don't think you want that transition
whatever baggage comes along with that. I think it's Bears
or Jets, and Jets, to LaVar's point, are the most entertaining. Yeah,
that's definitely for me. Yeah, Bears. The Commandos would be entertaining, though,
(38:48):
I will say that would be that would be an
entertaining a Mandos man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ours old squad
Mandos are back. Oh jeez oh yeah. Foxsports Radio has
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