April 6, 2023 • 39 mins
Jim Irsay would rather Draft a QB than bring in another 1-and-done veteran QB. Senior NFL Reporter for the MMQB, Albert Breer gives the latest details on the negotiations between Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, plus the rumblings around the upcoming Draft. Also, an award-winning edition of “Would You Rather…?”
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from what from our picks for the Masters, and to
show you what kind of experts we are, we're going
to draw names from a hat. So that is how
that's going to work. So we are an hour away.
People are just really fired up about that at about
the Masters in general. So they are, they are, They
definitely are. But you know else is fired up for
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the upcoming NFL Draft is none other than Jim Ursay. Yes,
your guys' favorite band, Jim Mursay. What is it in
the Tree Leaners? Yeah, the Tree Leaners. Yeah, so it's
a really great name. According to Zach Keefer of the Athletics,
owner Jim Mursay prefers the quote draft and develop route
at quarterback this year in the draft. They're obviously picking
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at number four in the draft, and so the hope
is that that is the plan that you are going
to draft a quarterback at number four, which seems yeah,
that'd be a nice thought if there was somebody there
that was worth taking. And I would also like to
point out, let's not forget that Gardner Minshew is still
on the roster and when that guy gets an opportunity
to play, he usually plays well. And there is a
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previous relationship with Shane steike In, the former offensive coordinator
in Philadelphia when Gardner Minshew was there. But Jim Mursay
apparently prefers the draft and develop route, after all the
one and done retread quarterbacks they've had over the past
four or five years. So congratulations to Colts fans. That's
the plan in place. The question is can they get
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the guy they want sitting at number four? You know,
they can't trade up to two because you know, Houston's
not going to trade back when they need a quarterback
and they're a division rival. So would Carolina be willing
to trade trade back to four and get the guy
they want, which probably doesn't make much sense considering they
just trade it all the way to one just to
get the guy they want. You know, David Tepper's in
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a similar boat trying to solve the quarterback prompt through
the draft. So Arizona seems to be the one team
that all right, if the Colts like Will Levis, Anthony Richardson,
and those two guys are both there, assuming both Stroud
and Bryce Young are gone, then you probably have to
trade up to three to at least assure yourself you
get one of those two guys. Otherwise, Las Vegas, maybe
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the Titans. There could be another player that we're not
thinking of that ends up trading up and taking a
quarterback at three, maybe Seattles who's sitting there at five,
Like maybe they would they would kind of be, you know,
looking to do that if the right guy was there
at three. So you wonder if the Colts really do
want a draft one and that's the route they want
to go, if they shouldn't be calling Arizona, although I'm
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not sure if they'll have issues getting a hold of people,
depending on the burner phone situation, whatever is going on
out out there and out there in Phoenix. So yeah,
it seems like Arizona might want to sit tight and
just not stay in the news for a little while,
just sit there. Very impressive, man, you know, take Will
Anderson and then just you know, we just move on
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with our lives. Just go ahead and sit that one out.
I just that's what it is. Well, I may possibly,
I mean, there's you know, it seems like things are
heating up there for some of the stories that have
come out. But I just think the idea that the Colts,
it felt like, had a window of opportunity was there.
They had a championship window and then all of a sudden,
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Andrew Luck decided to walk away about a week before
the season started, and they did the best they could
with Jacobe Bursette, they brought in Philip Rivers. We know
what happened with Carson Wentz Matt Ryan was a disaster.
It felt like they had a window of opportunity where
they were a legitimate contender in the AFC. And then
there was the talk that there was seven Colts players
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at the Pro Bowl the year that they got eliminated
in Week eight team during the clown out where everybody
dresses a clown in Jacksonville, and you had a bunch
of those players like Jonathan Taylor and them sitting there
at the Pro Bowl going why are we here? Like
why are we not what is happening? Why why did
we not make the playoffs? Why did we not make
a legitimate run and it's almost like Ersay and them realize,
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we're not even close to being the team that we
were in that window. So yeah, let's just let's just
try and draft a guy. But if he's not there.
To Brady's point, what's second to do. You're just drafting
a quarterback just to draft a quarterback, Like if you
don't believe in Levis, if you don't believe in Anthony
Richardson or anybody else, and the top two guys are gone.
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It just feels like the Colts window of opportunity closed
and they can say whatever they want. I don't see
them anywhere close to being a contender for at least
in the next couple of years. There are always going
to be I guess, unique perspectives on how approach building
your team, and obviously the Colts the Coats have the
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Colts had built there, you know, put their their fortunes
on Andrew luck When when they drafted him. But they
also had some real good talent at the receiver position.
I mean they were pretty deep, um right now, what
their best receiver is Pittman? Yeah, I mean they're not
in my estimation, they're not a very deep team at
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the receiver's position, and so if you don't, if you
don't have the type of weapons around a guy. I mean,
they even had success when Philip Rivers came in for
that last season and it kind of went downhill from there.
You had Jonathan Taylor, who was arguably the best player
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in the league, let alone just the best running back.
I mean he was, he was playing out a very
high level for what like a two year period of time.
It just doesn't seem as though, for one, their defense
was good as well, But it just doesn't seem as
though they are structured to be able to have sustained
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success right now. Or maybe they are, and maybe they're close,
and maybe they are just a player or two or
a coach away from developing into a better, a more
competitive team. But it's just again, it's all about philosophies.
And if Jim Rsey and his decision makers and in
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Indianapolis are feeling as though, look that the quarterback could
be the quarterback position in the draft could be one
that changes there changes their fortunes, then that's what you
go with. I I don't know that you ever have
a draft pick where you say we're just drafting them
to draft them. I think it's too much value there
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in terms of getting a player coming out of college.
There's too much value there to just say we're drafting
them to draft them, and and your spots are limited,
so you gotta try to hit on like free agency,
you know, the draft. You gotta try unrestricted like or
unsigned you know after the draft is over, or free
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agents that are out there sitting on their count. You
gotta try to hit on every single person you bring
into your building, even if they're backups. You gotta try
to hit. So I don't I don't subscribe to draft
just a draft. I don't know, but I don't. I
don't know how far they are from good. They're like
a conundrum. I don't know how far they are from good,
but I don't know how far they are from bad either.
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Would you guys rather be the Houston Texans the next
three to five years of the Indianapolis Colts. So I'd
rather be Houston because I may end up with the
best quarterback in the draft. If Bryce Young is there
and he's the guy that Houston goes with, I'd rather
take my chances with that than whatever Jim Mersay is
gonna come put together in between know sets, at whatever
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whatever venue he's playing out of this team. Here's the
thing about you know, Jim Ursay, and we could say
whatever we want to say about him and the Tree leaders,
but I mean, look, when they've drafted a quarterback, they've
done well. I mean, Peyton Manning Hall of Famer, right,
won a Super Bowl. Yeah, Andrew Luck was on a
path to be one of the best in the league.
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Maybe at at at some points, you know, was you
know what you consider at top five, you know, quarterback.
He kind of had that young budding star to him, right,
I mean he just decided to hang it up, you
know before I think obviously the organization was ready for that,
and that's really what started this tailspin of them trying
to look for quick fixes and going the veteran route
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they try to try to fix that. So they've had
a good track record of at least drafting and having
that guy be a be a dude, be a stud.
But you know, this one's a it feels a little different,
right because with the Luck pick, at least they s
for Luck, right, like that was what they did that
that year when man and got hurt and then they
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just became the worst team in the league to set
themselves up to have the number one overall pick. It's
kind of insulting to Curtis Painter, isn't it. You know,
he had to be the guy. Wait listen, we want
to be so bad Curtis, you're up, like we'd like
to have the next great quarterbacks when they put Curtis
to suck. Yeah, well, and then there was there was
a number of quarterbacks, was there Curtis that played that year,
And there's a lot of guys who ended up, you know,
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going on ir and sitting out. It wasn't wasn't just Peyton,
but uh, you get my point. I mean, like they're
not in they're they're not in that position now, like
they had that chance. You know, maybe Jim Ursay was
on a tour, you know, singing when Chicago had tried
to trade out of the number one spot. You know,
maybe they weren't really sure what they were doing yet.
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But now they sit at four and they couldn't end
up getting a guy that they liked but they're not
in love with And we'll see how that works out.
But the bottom line is, whoever they draft the quarterback,
the off line has to play the way it was
playing a couple of years ago and not how it
looked last year, and they got struggled mightily. Up. They
got a lot of money invested in that old line, right,
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because I think, yeah, they do, and we kind of
tend to forget, like Jonathan Taylor was a hell of
running back, Yeah, but not the way the offensive line
played last year. It really didn't matter who was playing
quarterback because of how poorly they protected. It's Two Pros
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Albert Brear, becoming one of the most popular parts of
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this show. Albert, what's happening Happy Thursday? Yeah, huge co
activity on that Burner phone account too, like that. I
got nothing to do with it, and I'm tired of
the false accusations. I have zero to do with it,
But they are getting very creative. I think there's multiples
now because I did see a couple other that we're
out there talking about your humble brag that you live
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on the ocean. But I appreciate, I appreciate your ability
to talking the third person. Yeah, that is true. All right.
So you were talking, I believe it was in your
mail bag this week, and talking about the numbers that
were out on Lamar Jackson and that the offer that
the Ravens had on the table currently is no longer
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on the table. So what was the like, the total
dollar amount in comparison to maybe some other contracts that
we've seen that Lamar Jackson apparently wanted. No part of
him was not good enough for him. Yeah, So I
believe it was a five year extension and at or
near at the top of the market that of course
would fold in the franchise tag. So you'd be talking
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about a total of six years. And my understanding is
just from a new money perspective, it would have been,
you know, right around you know, fifty million dollars a
year and like so then you have on top of
that the first four years, which I mean a virtually
guaranteed at two hundred million, So he'd be looking at
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like a virtual guarantee of four years two hundred million,
and then a new money average of fifty million over
five and you can play with the numbers all you want,
but that that was sort of what it was. And
you know, again like and I think we've been over
this in the past, but you know, part of it
was that Lamar watered a fully guaranteed deal and this
really is a principal thing for him. I know it
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sounds crazy when I'm talking about numbers like this, but
I think it was just about the money. He were
just taking the money. But you know, I think his
feeling on it is a it's not what the Shaun
Watson got from a structural standpoint, and be after all
he's given for five years. From an injury standpoint, he
didn't feel like it was right to give the Ravens
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injury protection on the back end, which is what the
extra years in the back end of the deal that
that ourn't guarantee would do. So I get all of that.
I mean, does it seem like we're going to find
any progress? What's however, or is it just going to
take another team where maybe after the draft they don't
get a quarterback and they submit an offer sheet. Is
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that is that where this is headed right now? I mean, Bertie,
I think that you know, the way I look at
this is they're like every negotiations got checkpoints, right like,
so for this negotiation, one checkpoint was that franchise tag deadline.
Another checkpoint was to start a free agency when other
teams got to start talking to them. And I think
like the next checkpoint would be the draft. And the
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reason why is because once we get past the draft,
if a team wants to sign them to an offer sheet,
they're given up future draft picks. They're not given up
this year's draft picks. And then of course after that,
the next checkpoint would be July fifteenth. After July fifteenth,
you can't sign a long term deal with the Ravens anymore.
You can only sign a one year deal. So I
think the next checkpoints actually pretty significant because if there
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aren't other teams interested starting you know, may first, right
after we get past the draft AFT and when the
dynamic changes a little bit, and I think it's hard
to conjureous scenario where other teams would be involved at
off because at that point, why would you wait until
the middle of the summer to do something with them? So,
you know, I think we're probably going to get past
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the draft, you know, and this is of course barring
somebody coming in making a big offer. I'm in a
trade with the Ravens. Probably at this point we get
past the draft, if there's no trade offer like that,
and then either suitors materialized or they don't. If suitor's materialized,
then you figure it out that way. If they don't,
then I think at some point the Ravens and Lamar
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have a come to Jesus meeting. But like, I think
that this whole thing is going to accelerate in one
way or another when we get to the draft, and
then we get when we get past the draft, because
I think at that point it sort of becomes time
for people to show their cards. Let me switch gears
on you ab and go to another quarterback in Mac Jones.
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You know you reported talk about the whole shopping of
Mac Jones from Bill Belichick. What exactly does that mean
for Mac Jones? What does that mean for the New
England Patriots moving forward? You know what's interesting about this,
LeVar is you know, we're all around the same age.
We all have coaches like this, you know what I mean,
Like that the coach and motivate in a different way
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than coaches coach and motivate. Now you know, and I
sort of it's interesting that Chris Simms has had a
bunch of news on this because I almost think this
is like those old stories you used to hear about
how Bill Parcelves would handle Chris's dad, Bill Simms, you know,
and how there would be this constant like you're not
good enough, that's not good enough, you can't act this way,
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that sort of stuff, you know what I mean, Like
and using almost you know, fear and kind of putting
a guy in his place to try to bring them along.
Like I think Bill Belichick actually thinks handling a quarterback
this way is the correct way to do it, and
it's the way he handled Brady when he was younger,
handling him like almost any other player on the team. Um,
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you know, I like, I don't think that Bill was happy.
Was the way that Mac conducted himself last year, And yeah,
like things weren't weren't good for Mac, and obviously, like
the offensive coaching situation was was a mess. But if
you look at the way you know, Matt conducted himself
and you compare it to the the way Trevor Lawrence conducted
himself during the Urban Meyer mats, or you look at
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the way that Justin Fields conducted himself through having a
coach fired, the way to a conducted himself through Brian
Flores situation there and then Brian Flores getting fired. I think,
you know, you look at the other guys, you see
a steadiness about them, and you didn't see that with
Mac last year. And you know, so I think right now,
you know, part of this is you know, showing Mac like, hey,
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you're not on scholarship here, you know, so that means
he's not exempt from trade discussions, you know. And and
I don't think that they were like actively calling teams
and shopping him that way. You know, I think it
was more his name would come up and it wouldn't
just get shot out of the sky sky by the
page riots when teams are going through each other's rosters
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before the combine, during the combine and then before free agency.
And so you know, I think as much as anything else,
this is treating Mac as if he's the thirtieth guy
in the roster, because I think that Bill feels like
that's the way he played last year. And You'll be
interesting to see where it goes from here, because I
do think that that Belichick's going to give give Bailey
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z Appy a legitimate chance to compete for that job.
And you know, both those guys have been in the
building every day and both those guys that are building
our relationship with a new offensive coordinator there, Bill O'Brien.
So it's sort of fascinating in that way, and that
you know, I do feel like like Bill Belichick is
handling this situation the way a coach would I guess,
like when we were kids, you know what I mean?
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Like that that that sort of way. It's very, very
different than the way quarterbacks are generally handled. Now, Albert
we're joining us here on Fox Sports Radio Senior and
of our reporter at the MMQB. You can get him
on Twitter at Albert Breer. So we kind of have
a feeling that it's going to be CJ. Stroud or
Bryce Young, you know, one or the other that's going
to go one or two and whatever order that is.
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And then we get to the debate for the third
quarterback and we've got Richardson and Levis and also Hendon
Hooker is starting to make some noise. What are you
hearing that's most surprising amongst the three other quarterbacks and
the top five consensus from draft scouts and people that
have covered this stuff. What surprises you the most about
some stuff you've heard on those three quarterbacks outside of
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the top two. I mean, I would say, like, what
surprises me that wouldn't have thought. I wouldn't have thought
two months ago that the most consistent opinions across the
board would be on Hooker and not Levis or Richardson.
You know, I think a big part of you know
what you're dealing with it with Hendon Hooker, it's stuff
like we know about, you know what I mean, Like
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it's his age, it's coming off the ACL and it
said he's coming out of like a Baylor a type
of offense. That's pretty simple, right. But at the very least,
like with Henn and Hooker, you sort of know what
you're dealing with. He's mature, he's crushed it in his meetings,
he's sort of like, you know, I feel like he's
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to some degree like a known commodity. Whereas with Levis
and Richardson, I feel like people's opinions are all over
the place. Like you'll find some people who will say,
you know, Levis or Richardson could be the best quarterback
in the class, you'll find other people who don't like
them at all and don't think they have any business
going in the first round. So, like, I think that's
probably the most surprising thing. And there are teams that
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like Henn and Hooker more than the other two, and
so I think that that's that that makes like all
three of them sort of. I guess these movable parts
once we get past the first two. And I do
think the first two will go one two. I'm the
draft dooll Beck. There's a certainty, but I do think
they'll go one two in the in the draft order,
you know, I think the next quarterback could go three
or four. I think the next quarterback could go at
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the bottom of the top ten. I think there's a
lot more of a variable than most people realize. Alet's
have some fun. Let's talk about the aroos on the Cardinals. Yeah, whatever,
I mean, it's a mess. It's a mess, Brady, I um,
you know, like, I think that a lot of the
stuff that's happened internally there over the last I would
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say ten years is sort of coming to rouse now.
And this was even when they were winning. There were
issues there, you know, um, you know, and I think
some of the that's some of the stuff that's in
there on Steve Time has lingered for a while. Um.
You know, Terry McDonald's issues we're well documented coming into this,
um you know. And then you know, I think one
thing you hear consistently from coaches and scouts that work
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there as that ownership has been a problem, um, you know,
even this year. Like you know, I sort I think
sort of the desire to sort of have his piece
of the pie, you know, sort of speak and to
be almost like a like a I don't want to
say bootleged version of Terry Jones, but like sort of
like that, you know what I mean, like where he's
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he's got his hands on a lot of different things.
And you know, I don't think it's any fault of
the new guys there, like a maniatsu Fort and Jonathan
Ginn are really good guys. Who are you have to
have a lot of promise, you know as a new
head coach and a new general manager. But there's just
some things about that organization that are sort of sideways
and have been sideways for a long time. And to
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be honest with you, guys, like it's this big a
reason as Kyler Murray's contracts as to why like some
coaches were staying away from that job back in January.
I want to talk about Carter and this, this whole
the visit. I don't know if we call it fiasco.
I mean I call it a fiasco. I think if
you get invited to go do interviews with the team,
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you go do the interview. You don't have a job yet,
and you should make sure that you're growing your network
and taking full advantage. What has been kind of the
feedback on Carter, It just doesn't seem as though he's
rending up with how he's handling out things. I mean
with a of the questions before um, the questions before
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the combine were what kind of teammate is he? What
kind of worker is he? What kind of motor does
he have? What sort of football character does he have? Right,
Like a lot of those sorts of questions, which like
scared teams, um, you know in the top ten and
the caveat there had been it's nothing criminal, and then
you get to the combine and the arrest warrens are
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issued and now all of a sudden, you can't have
that that nothing, that nothing in criminal caveat comes off,
and now teams have a lot to dig through as
to you know, what sort of crowdy hangs around his family,
all that different stuff. Um, you know, and I've heard
it compared in some ways to Warren Sapp you know,
twenty eight years ago. Comes from the same high school
as Warren Sapp. Um, same sort of player as Warren Stapp. Two.
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Probably the best player in this year's draft. Um, and
that's great, you know what I mean, Like and I
think that, like I know, all fans are going to
look at this and say, well, he'll go up and
and we'll handle it. Well if you're if you're talking
about spending a top five pick on him number one,
you know, that's a that's a lot of guaranteed money,
and that's a resource that is is a precious, precious
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resource they're gonna be spending on guy, um number two,
like guys who are there are other guys who are
going to be picked in that area to check a
lot of bosses that don't have these problems, which gives
those teams alternatives. And then number three, you know, the
player like this, you want to have good infrastructure and
usually teams that are drafting that high. Don't have that
sort of infrastructure, Um, you know. And I and I
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heard my old buddy Daniel Jeremiah mentioning the Eagles at
the bottom of the top ten as a possibility, and
that would make a lot of sense because they do
have infrastructure, you know, good coaching staff, a veteran team, um,
a couple of his ex teammates, and Jordan Davis and
the Kobe Dan there already, Um, you know. But I'm
with you, Like I just I think it's one of
those things where like the Eagles could tell you we're
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taking him, we're taking you, and then another guy the
Egles like follsome they take them and all of a sudden,
maybe you have teams in eleven, twelve thirteen. They really
like him as a player, but haven't had the chance
to talk to him enough so they aren't comfortable with it.
So so yeah, I mean, I Drew Rosen hasn't been
doing this for a long time. He actually was Warren
Sapp's agents, so he's been through this before. And maybe
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they do have a promise. I just think it's a
risky proposition in this situation to say no to anybody
who wants to talk to the kid, Albert, we are
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Who got a
couple more minutes with Ab on a Thursday. Albert, So,
I was noticing a theme here. I'm looking at our
friends from DraftKings have some props up for the NFL Draft,
and I'm seeing, all right, so CJ. Stroud is projected
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to be and he's the favorite to be the first
quarterback taken. And then I go over to the wide receivers.
I see Jackson Smith and jigbas the first projected to
be the first wide receiver take. And then I go
over to old line. I'm saying, there's no possible way
this is continuing. And then I see Paris Johnson Junior
is the favorite to be the first offensive lineman selected.
And I don't know if you, Albert, but it just
feels like that there's a common theme when it comes
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to all these positions in the draft. Have you noticed
this theme as well, too? Wow? Come on, I mean,
you're really putting last season on him. You're putting it
on him, not Ryan Day settling for a fifty plus
yard field goal? And had that kid ever hit a
(27:24):
fifty plus yard field goal? Wasn't that the story. I
think that's all right. I don't think ruggles hit one.
I don't think so. Yeah, I mean, I like, you
don't you know, here's many defensive players drank that highly
that he used to write. Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean,
what do we think it is? Jackson Smith and Jigba
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the slam dunk to be the first wide receiver taken
or I've have seen that some of the money has
come down on CJ. Strout at the top and Paris
Johnson is sitting at a slight favorite you feel in
confident in that, Albert, I think I put it this way.
I think right now I would bet on Jackson being
the first receiver taken over CJA being the first quarterback.
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Right now. My guest right now would be Bryce Young
is the first overall pick to Carolina, and it's for
two reasons. Two reasons I would say, I would say
number one. Um, I know, like he blew Frank raich
away in the meeting, right like, so that's number one.
Number two. Have you guys heard of the s two tests?
I'll explain it. What is it? So this is like
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this cognitive test right like that, like Joe Burrow did
fantastic on it a couple of years ago, and a
lot of it's it's basically tests, how like how fast
Guy's process. Right. There's been a lot of NFL investment
in this test, and there are a lot of owners
who believe that there is a real correlation between the
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results of this test and how a quarterback assimilates into
the NFL. My understanding as Bryce Young knocked that out
of the are the same way Joe Burrow did. Justin
Field scored really well on that test too. I'm not
going to say we're Justin Fields and Joe Burrow. What
those two have in common interesting, but Bryce, but Bryce
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Young did really really well on that test, and um,
you know, my understanding is that David Pepper, the Panther's owner,
puts a lot of stock in that thing and was
really anxious to get the results of it. UM. So,
like I think Bryce doing really well on the meeting
with Frank, Bryce doing really well on that test. Um.
I Like, I think the the size question is something
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that the Panthers are still wrapping their heads around. UM.
But I do think like Pepper was sort of maybe
in the Stroud camp before this, and like I I
just having heard what I heard about, like how Bryce
did on that test, I wonder I sort of think
now that that may be enough to swing them to
the other side. And you put that together with how
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how I heard Bryce did with Frank, and I'd sort
of give give give Bryce as light edge over CJ
to go first overall, right, how about that? No bias,
just a professional through and through, you know, Joan, if
I'm a journalist, yes see. And I don't care how
many burner accounts Brady comes up with when it comes
to you and in your phone, Wow, the blame now
(30:16):
account after like I think my phone is Like I
think my phone is pitching a perfect game, right it is? Yeah,
it absolutely is. Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB.
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. Good stuff, Thanks, Aby,
will do to get next week. There he is. We
are playing to you. By the way, he didn't have
any phone issues, did he No, he didn't tell was disappointing. Yeah,
(30:40):
I was actually proud of him. Yeah, I was looking
forward to it. That's always part of the conversation. I
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de Lap, what do we got, fellas? I'm interested to know?
Would you rather win the Masters or the Super Bowl
(32:50):
as a bench player who didn't play it down all season?
And like the Masters, you're you're winning it playing it, yes,
corrects masters, Yeah, I know you was looking like LaVar's
gonna go, but winning is Miami. Can you imagine to
them donning Leavar with the green jacket man with a
(33:10):
nice pair of green Jordans? Come on, man, I know
you get him in the closet just smiling as they
put him on. We could probably even get Tiger to
do it. They might even match with your grin shoes.
NUH's it's different greens. Yeah, it's too bad. That would
be That would be pretty dope, though. Yeah, if you
could double down on Tiger putting on me again, Yeah, well,
I don't have a problem with Tiger put You can
(33:32):
put the jacket on if I was winning. I just
feel like every time we bring them up, there's something there. Man.
I don't know if you guys cross paths and though
maybe he was like something something to pass me, there's
something there. I really could care less, honestly, I don't.
I don't know. Did he make your waitress take too
long to bring the check? Is that what happened? Like
(33:54):
you were there waiting for the check and odd he did?
In fairness, I did pull out, But what did he
pull out of a tournament. Oh what else? Guys. At
the NBA trade deadline, the MAVs had a fifty eight
percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's six percent.
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My question, would you rather have Kyrie Irving as a
teammate or Antonio Brown? That might be the best one
you've ever come up? Man. I mean, I'm a quarterback
I've worked out with maybe once a while ago, and
he was a cool dude. Then he's talented as hell,
(34:38):
So I don't know, I'd probably pick a B. I
mean I think I would go. I'm gonna go Antonio Brown.
I'm gonna go, man, I don't know, I'm gonna go
Kyrie Irving just because he used he uses the incense
(35:03):
to to kind of purify energies and stuff like that.
And I mean, who who you know, who could go
wrong with purifying energy and stuff. I guess with Kyrie,
I feel like you have to worry about like these
odd conversations you're gonna have about is the world flat
or whatever makes some conspiracy theories. With Antonio Brown, it's like,
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I mean, he could just have a bad day, burn
his feet in the cryo chamber, you know, not like
the helmet, he swhere, like there's a lot of other
issues that come along with that. So that's that's a
tough one. That's a good one. Let's see, we're not
trying to it's not be his friend, it's be his
teammate and everywhere saying though disaster, Like we could be
walking out to the court and man, did you hear
(35:47):
this theory ran off a field but naked? Yeah, but
he did. He had his pants on, but I mean
still was close enough. I mean, he joined Dallas and
it was like, man, Luca finally got a player, he
finally got a teammate. Downhill everything. They've got a six
percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's invest I mean,
ab joined the Bucks. They want a super Bowl. Yeah,
(36:08):
I mean, Kyrie's got a championship. I mean, I'm just
I don't know. I think Kyrie goes. I don't know.
I mean, I think it's a great question, great question, great,
great great. Well. In fact, let me tell you something,
somebody's gonna steal that. Who's listening on some sort of
a sports TV debate show. You're gonna see that. Yeah,
(36:30):
and they're not going to give any credit to lead
the lap and you know who's going to be feeding
him that information, probably Todd. That's why it's terrible. All right, Lee?
What else? All right? Saw downhill? For him? Here? Here
we go, Here we go, Here we go. From Kyrie
and a B two Sylvester Salone and Arnold Schwarzenegger. If
you could only watch Sylvestor Salone movies or Arnold Schwarzenegger movies,
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which one would you rather go with? Please on it today?
You give the guy some time off he comes to
Oh man, Rocky is Rocky is Rocky? I was just
gonna say, like you, Rambo, but Predator and and kind
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of Predators. Only one movie though, but there was three? Well, yeah,
he was only on one. He was only on one.
Can you watch Pumping Iron? Just pumping iron Cattle? I'm
a Garnold. That's a good one because there's some classic
one liners in that that you'll never be able to
play these days. The one he's with Danny de Vito.
What's that? Yeah? Yeah, Kindergarten cop awful movie. That's another recall. Yeah, uh,
(37:40):
I gotta go with with Sylvester just just because Rocky
is Rocky. Yeah, both if if if Rocky wasn't a
part of the conversation like if if Sylvester still want
to never made it, it'd be like a Rambo versus terminator,
and I'd probably would Lean Schwarzenegger. I'm with I'm with LaVar,
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I'm taking I'm just taking sly. Yeah, I mean, if
you're a housekeeper, you definitely watch Still One over Arnold?
Is that right? Yeah? You know it's not supposed to me.
I mean, but isn't it. Isn't it Arnold? That No?
Okaytay Arnold? You know what else or not? Guys? Would
(38:22):
you rather be a fish or a bird? What type
of fish, what type of bird, bird, whatever kind of
bird you want, whatever kind of fish you had ass eagle,
I'd rather be an orca whale. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah,
nobody's hunting me. I'm the hunter. It's just kind of
(38:42):
like very depressed. I'm afraid of hosts. I'm afraid of
What's that? I mean, everything gets banged up out there.
It's difference between the water and the sky. The water
feels depressing, the sky fields kind of bullwater is like peaceful.
You ever seen Deadliest Catch? Like when I heard like
(39:02):
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from what from our picks for the Masters, and to
show you what kind of experts we are, we're going
to draw names from a hat. So that is how
that's going to work. So we are an hour away.
People are just really fired up about that at about
the Masters in general. So they are, they are, They
definitely are. But you know else is fired up for
(01:46):
the upcoming NFL Draft is none other than Jim Ursay. Yes,
your guys' favorite band, Jim Mursay. What is it in
the Tree Leaners? Yeah, the Tree Leaners. Yeah, so it's
a really great name. According to Zach Keefer of the Athletics,
owner Jim Mursay prefers the quote draft and develop route
at quarterback this year in the draft. They're obviously picking
(02:07):
at number four in the draft, and so the hope
is that that is the plan that you are going
to draft a quarterback at number four, which seems yeah,
that'd be a nice thought if there was somebody there
that was worth taking. And I would also like to
point out, let's not forget that Gardner Minshew is still
on the roster and when that guy gets an opportunity
to play, he usually plays well. And there is a
(02:29):
previous relationship with Shane steike In, the former offensive coordinator
in Philadelphia when Gardner Minshew was there. But Jim Mursay
apparently prefers the draft and develop route, after all the
one and done retread quarterbacks they've had over the past
four or five years. So congratulations to Colts fans. That's
the plan in place. The question is can they get
(02:50):
the guy they want sitting at number four? You know,
they can't trade up to two because you know, Houston's
not going to trade back when they need a quarterback
and they're a division rival. So would Carolina be willing
to trade trade back to four and get the guy
they want, which probably doesn't make much sense considering they
just trade it all the way to one just to
get the guy they want. You know, David Tepper's in
(03:11):
a similar boat trying to solve the quarterback prompt through
the draft. So Arizona seems to be the one team
that all right, if the Colts like Will Levis, Anthony Richardson,
and those two guys are both there, assuming both Stroud
and Bryce Young are gone, then you probably have to
trade up to three to at least assure yourself you
get one of those two guys. Otherwise, Las Vegas, maybe
(03:33):
the Titans. There could be another player that we're not
thinking of that ends up trading up and taking a
quarterback at three, maybe Seattles who's sitting there at five,
Like maybe they would they would kind of be, you know,
looking to do that if the right guy was there
at three. So you wonder if the Colts really do
want a draft one and that's the route they want
to go, if they shouldn't be calling Arizona, although I'm
(03:55):
not sure if they'll have issues getting a hold of people,
depending on the burner phone situation, whatever is going on
out out there and out there in Phoenix. So yeah,
it seems like Arizona might want to sit tight and
just not stay in the news for a little while,
just sit there. Very impressive, man, you know, take Will
Anderson and then just you know, we just move on
(04:15):
with our lives. Just go ahead and sit that one out.
I just that's what it is. Well, I may possibly,
I mean, there's you know, it seems like things are
heating up there for some of the stories that have
come out. But I just think the idea that the Colts,
it felt like, had a window of opportunity was there.
They had a championship window and then all of a sudden,
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Andrew Luck decided to walk away about a week before
the season started, and they did the best they could
with Jacobe Bursette, they brought in Philip Rivers. We know
what happened with Carson Wentz Matt Ryan was a disaster.
It felt like they had a window of opportunity where
they were a legitimate contender in the AFC. And then
there was the talk that there was seven Colts players
(04:56):
at the Pro Bowl the year that they got eliminated
in Week eight team during the clown out where everybody
dresses a clown in Jacksonville, and you had a bunch
of those players like Jonathan Taylor and them sitting there
at the Pro Bowl going why are we here? Like
why are we not what is happening? Why why did
we not make the playoffs? Why did we not make
a legitimate run and it's almost like Ersay and them realize,
(05:20):
we're not even close to being the team that we
were in that window. So yeah, let's just let's just
try and draft a guy. But if he's not there.
To Brady's point, what's second to do. You're just drafting
a quarterback just to draft a quarterback, Like if you
don't believe in Levis, if you don't believe in Anthony
Richardson or anybody else, and the top two guys are gone.
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It just feels like the Colts window of opportunity closed
and they can say whatever they want. I don't see
them anywhere close to being a contender for at least
in the next couple of years. There are always going
to be I guess, unique perspectives on how approach building
your team, and obviously the Colts the Coats have the
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Colts had built there, you know, put their their fortunes
on Andrew luck When when they drafted him. But they
also had some real good talent at the receiver position.
I mean they were pretty deep, um right now, what
their best receiver is Pittman? Yeah, I mean they're not
in my estimation, they're not a very deep team at
(06:31):
the receiver's position, and so if you don't, if you
don't have the type of weapons around a guy. I mean,
they even had success when Philip Rivers came in for
that last season and it kind of went downhill from there.
You had Jonathan Taylor, who was arguably the best player
(06:51):
in the league, let alone just the best running back.
I mean he was, he was playing out a very
high level for what like a two year period of time.
It just doesn't seem as though, for one, their defense
was good as well, But it just doesn't seem as
though they are structured to be able to have sustained
(07:13):
success right now. Or maybe they are, and maybe they're close,
and maybe they are just a player or two or
a coach away from developing into a better, a more
competitive team. But it's just again, it's all about philosophies.
And if Jim Rsey and his decision makers and in
(07:34):
Indianapolis are feeling as though, look that the quarterback could
be the quarterback position in the draft could be one
that changes there changes their fortunes, then that's what you
go with. I I don't know that you ever have
a draft pick where you say we're just drafting them
to draft them. I think it's too much value there
(07:54):
in terms of getting a player coming out of college.
There's too much value there to just say we're drafting
them to draft them, and and your spots are limited,
so you gotta try to hit on like free agency,
you know, the draft. You gotta try unrestricted like or
unsigned you know after the draft is over, or free
(08:16):
agents that are out there sitting on their count. You
gotta try to hit on every single person you bring
into your building, even if they're backups. You gotta try
to hit. So I don't I don't subscribe to draft
just a draft. I don't know, but I don't. I
don't know how far they are from good. They're like
a conundrum. I don't know how far they are from good,
but I don't know how far they are from bad either.
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Would you guys rather be the Houston Texans the next
three to five years of the Indianapolis Colts. So I'd
rather be Houston because I may end up with the
best quarterback in the draft. If Bryce Young is there
and he's the guy that Houston goes with, I'd rather
take my chances with that than whatever Jim Mersay is
gonna come put together in between know sets, at whatever
(09:01):
whatever venue he's playing out of this team. Here's the
thing about you know, Jim Ursay, and we could say
whatever we want to say about him and the Tree leaders,
but I mean, look, when they've drafted a quarterback, they've
done well. I mean, Peyton Manning Hall of Famer, right,
won a Super Bowl. Yeah, Andrew Luck was on a
path to be one of the best in the league.
(09:24):
Maybe at at at some points, you know, was you
know what you consider at top five, you know, quarterback.
He kind of had that young budding star to him, right,
I mean he just decided to hang it up, you
know before I think obviously the organization was ready for that,
and that's really what started this tailspin of them trying
to look for quick fixes and going the veteran route
(09:44):
they try to try to fix that. So they've had
a good track record of at least drafting and having
that guy be a be a dude, be a stud.
But you know, this one's a it feels a little different,
right because with the Luck pick, at least they s
for Luck, right, like that was what they did that
that year when man and got hurt and then they
(10:05):
just became the worst team in the league to set
themselves up to have the number one overall pick. It's
kind of insulting to Curtis Painter, isn't it. You know,
he had to be the guy. Wait listen, we want
to be so bad Curtis, you're up, like we'd like
to have the next great quarterbacks when they put Curtis
to suck. Yeah, well, and then there was there was
a number of quarterbacks, was there Curtis that played that year,
And there's a lot of guys who ended up, you know,
(10:26):
going on ir and sitting out. It wasn't wasn't just Peyton,
but uh, you get my point. I mean, like they're
not in they're they're not in that position now, like
they had that chance. You know, maybe Jim Ursay was
on a tour, you know, singing when Chicago had tried
to trade out of the number one spot. You know,
maybe they weren't really sure what they were doing yet.
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But now they sit at four and they couldn't end
up getting a guy that they liked but they're not
in love with And we'll see how that works out.
But the bottom line is, whoever they draft the quarterback,
the off line has to play the way it was
playing a couple of years ago and not how it
looked last year, and they got struggled mightily. Up. They
got a lot of money invested in that old line, right,
(11:09):
because I think, yeah, they do, and we kind of
tend to forget, like Jonathan Taylor was a hell of
running back, Yeah, but not the way the offensive line
played last year. It really didn't matter who was playing
quarterback because of how poorly they protected. It's Two Pros
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Albert Brear, becoming one of the most popular parts of
(12:37):
this show. Albert, what's happening Happy Thursday? Yeah, huge co
activity on that Burner phone account too, like that. I
got nothing to do with it, and I'm tired of
the false accusations. I have zero to do with it,
But they are getting very creative. I think there's multiples
now because I did see a couple other that we're
out there talking about your humble brag that you live
(12:58):
on the ocean. But I appreciate, I appreciate your ability
to talking the third person. Yeah, that is true. All right.
So you were talking, I believe it was in your
mail bag this week, and talking about the numbers that
were out on Lamar Jackson and that the offer that
the Ravens had on the table currently is no longer
(13:19):
on the table. So what was the like, the total
dollar amount in comparison to maybe some other contracts that
we've seen that Lamar Jackson apparently wanted. No part of
him was not good enough for him. Yeah, So I
believe it was a five year extension and at or
near at the top of the market that of course
would fold in the franchise tag. So you'd be talking
(13:42):
about a total of six years. And my understanding is
just from a new money perspective, it would have been,
you know, right around you know, fifty million dollars a
year and like so then you have on top of
that the first four years, which I mean a virtually
guaranteed at two hundred million, So he'd be looking at
(14:04):
like a virtual guarantee of four years two hundred million,
and then a new money average of fifty million over
five and you can play with the numbers all you want,
but that that was sort of what it was. And
you know, again like and I think we've been over
this in the past, but you know, part of it
was that Lamar watered a fully guaranteed deal and this
really is a principal thing for him. I know it
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sounds crazy when I'm talking about numbers like this, but
I think it was just about the money. He were
just taking the money. But you know, I think his
feeling on it is a it's not what the Shaun
Watson got from a structural standpoint, and be after all
he's given for five years. From an injury standpoint, he
didn't feel like it was right to give the Ravens
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injury protection on the back end, which is what the
extra years in the back end of the deal that
that ourn't guarantee would do. So I get all of that.
I mean, does it seem like we're going to find
any progress? What's however, or is it just going to
take another team where maybe after the draft they don't
get a quarterback and they submit an offer sheet. Is
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that is that where this is headed right now? I mean, Bertie,
I think that you know, the way I look at
this is they're like every negotiations got checkpoints, right like,
so for this negotiation, one checkpoint was that franchise tag deadline.
Another checkpoint was to start a free agency when other
teams got to start talking to them. And I think
like the next checkpoint would be the draft. And the
(15:31):
reason why is because once we get past the draft,
if a team wants to sign them to an offer sheet,
they're given up future draft picks. They're not given up
this year's draft picks. And then of course after that,
the next checkpoint would be July fifteenth. After July fifteenth,
you can't sign a long term deal with the Ravens anymore.
You can only sign a one year deal. So I
think the next checkpoints actually pretty significant because if there
(15:53):
aren't other teams interested starting you know, may first, right
after we get past the draft AFT and when the
dynamic changes a little bit, and I think it's hard
to conjureous scenario where other teams would be involved at
off because at that point, why would you wait until
the middle of the summer to do something with them? So,
you know, I think we're probably going to get past
(16:15):
the draft, you know, and this is of course barring
somebody coming in making a big offer. I'm in a
trade with the Ravens. Probably at this point we get
past the draft, if there's no trade offer like that,
and then either suitors materialized or they don't. If suitor's materialized,
then you figure it out that way. If they don't,
then I think at some point the Ravens and Lamar
(16:36):
have a come to Jesus meeting. But like, I think
that this whole thing is going to accelerate in one
way or another when we get to the draft, and
then we get when we get past the draft, because
I think at that point it sort of becomes time
for people to show their cards. Let me switch gears
on you ab and go to another quarterback in Mac Jones.
(16:58):
You know you reported talk about the whole shopping of
Mac Jones from Bill Belichick. What exactly does that mean
for Mac Jones? What does that mean for the New
England Patriots moving forward? You know what's interesting about this,
LeVar is you know, we're all around the same age.
We all have coaches like this, you know what I mean,
Like that the coach and motivate in a different way
(17:22):
than coaches coach and motivate. Now you know, and I
sort of it's interesting that Chris Simms has had a
bunch of news on this because I almost think this
is like those old stories you used to hear about
how Bill Parcelves would handle Chris's dad, Bill Simms, you know,
and how there would be this constant like you're not
good enough, that's not good enough, you can't act this way,
(17:45):
that sort of stuff, you know what I mean, Like
and using almost you know, fear and kind of putting
a guy in his place to try to bring them along.
Like I think Bill Belichick actually thinks handling a quarterback
this way is the correct way to do it, and
it's the way he handled Brady when he was younger,
handling him like almost any other player on the team. Um,
(18:06):
you know, I like, I don't think that Bill was happy.
Was the way that Mac conducted himself last year, And yeah,
like things weren't weren't good for Mac, and obviously, like
the offensive coaching situation was was a mess. But if
you look at the way you know, Matt conducted himself
and you compare it to the the way Trevor Lawrence conducted
himself during the Urban Meyer mats, or you look at
(18:26):
the way that Justin Fields conducted himself through having a
coach fired, the way to a conducted himself through Brian
Flores situation there and then Brian Flores getting fired. I think,
you know, you look at the other guys, you see
a steadiness about them, and you didn't see that with
Mac last year. And you know, so I think right now,
you know, part of this is you know, showing Mac like, hey,
(18:47):
you're not on scholarship here, you know, so that means
he's not exempt from trade discussions, you know. And and
I don't think that they were like actively calling teams
and shopping him that way. You know, I think it
was more his name would come up and it wouldn't
just get shot out of the sky sky by the
page riots when teams are going through each other's rosters
(19:07):
before the combine, during the combine and then before free agency.
And so you know, I think as much as anything else,
this is treating Mac as if he's the thirtieth guy
in the roster, because I think that Bill feels like
that's the way he played last year. And You'll be
interesting to see where it goes from here, because I
do think that that Belichick's going to give give Bailey
(19:28):
z Appy a legitimate chance to compete for that job.
And you know, both those guys have been in the
building every day and both those guys that are building
our relationship with a new offensive coordinator there, Bill O'Brien.
So it's sort of fascinating in that way, and that
you know, I do feel like like Bill Belichick is
handling this situation the way a coach would I guess,
like when we were kids, you know what I mean?
(19:49):
Like that that that sort of way. It's very, very
different than the way quarterbacks are generally handled. Now, Albert
we're joining us here on Fox Sports Radio Senior and
of our reporter at the MMQB. You can get him
on Twitter at Albert Breer. So we kind of have
a feeling that it's going to be CJ. Stroud or
Bryce Young, you know, one or the other that's going
to go one or two and whatever order that is.
(20:10):
And then we get to the debate for the third
quarterback and we've got Richardson and Levis and also Hendon
Hooker is starting to make some noise. What are you
hearing that's most surprising amongst the three other quarterbacks and
the top five consensus from draft scouts and people that
have covered this stuff. What surprises you the most about
some stuff you've heard on those three quarterbacks outside of
(20:32):
the top two. I mean, I would say, like, what
surprises me that wouldn't have thought. I wouldn't have thought
two months ago that the most consistent opinions across the
board would be on Hooker and not Levis or Richardson.
You know, I think a big part of you know
what you're dealing with it with Hendon Hooker, it's stuff
like we know about, you know what I mean, Like
(20:53):
it's his age, it's coming off the ACL and it
said he's coming out of like a Baylor a type
of offense. That's pretty simple, right. But at the very least,
like with Henn and Hooker, you sort of know what
you're dealing with. He's mature, he's crushed it in his meetings,
he's sort of like, you know, I feel like he's
(21:13):
to some degree like a known commodity. Whereas with Levis
and Richardson, I feel like people's opinions are all over
the place. Like you'll find some people who will say,
you know, Levis or Richardson could be the best quarterback
in the class, you'll find other people who don't like
them at all and don't think they have any business
going in the first round. So, like, I think that's
probably the most surprising thing. And there are teams that
(21:34):
like Henn and Hooker more than the other two, and
so I think that that's that that makes like all
three of them sort of. I guess these movable parts
once we get past the first two. And I do
think the first two will go one two. I'm the
draft dooll Beck. There's a certainty, but I do think
they'll go one two in the in the draft order,
you know, I think the next quarterback could go three
or four. I think the next quarterback could go at
(21:56):
the bottom of the top ten. I think there's a
lot more of a variable than most people realize. Alet's
have some fun. Let's talk about the aroos on the Cardinals. Yeah, whatever,
I mean, it's a mess. It's a mess, Brady, I um,
you know, like, I think that a lot of the
stuff that's happened internally there over the last I would
(22:18):
say ten years is sort of coming to rouse now.
And this was even when they were winning. There were
issues there, you know, um, you know, and I think
some of the that's some of the stuff that's in
there on Steve Time has lingered for a while. Um.
You know, Terry McDonald's issues we're well documented coming into this,
um you know. And then you know, I think one
thing you hear consistently from coaches and scouts that work
(22:40):
there as that ownership has been a problem, um, you know,
even this year. Like you know, I sort I think
sort of the desire to sort of have his piece
of the pie, you know, sort of speak and to
be almost like a like a I don't want to
say bootleged version of Terry Jones, but like sort of
like that, you know what I mean, like where he's
(23:01):
he's got his hands on a lot of different things.
And you know, I don't think it's any fault of
the new guys there, like a maniatsu Fort and Jonathan
Ginn are really good guys. Who are you have to
have a lot of promise, you know as a new
head coach and a new general manager. But there's just
some things about that organization that are sort of sideways
and have been sideways for a long time. And to
(23:23):
be honest with you, guys, like it's this big a
reason as Kyler Murray's contracts as to why like some
coaches were staying away from that job back in January.
I want to talk about Carter and this, this whole
the visit. I don't know if we call it fiasco.
I mean I call it a fiasco. I think if
you get invited to go do interviews with the team,
(23:44):
you go do the interview. You don't have a job yet,
and you should make sure that you're growing your network
and taking full advantage. What has been kind of the
feedback on Carter, It just doesn't seem as though he's
rending up with how he's handling out things. I mean
with a of the questions before um, the questions before
(24:07):
the combine were what kind of teammate is he? What
kind of worker is he? What kind of motor does
he have? What sort of football character does he have? Right,
Like a lot of those sorts of questions, which like
scared teams, um, you know in the top ten and
the caveat there had been it's nothing criminal, and then
you get to the combine and the arrest warrens are
(24:28):
issued and now all of a sudden, you can't have
that that nothing, that nothing in criminal caveat comes off,
and now teams have a lot to dig through as
to you know, what sort of crowdy hangs around his family,
all that different stuff. Um, you know, and I've heard
it compared in some ways to Warren Sapp you know,
twenty eight years ago. Comes from the same high school
as Warren Sapp. Um, same sort of player as Warren Stapp. Two.
(24:51):
Probably the best player in this year's draft. Um, and
that's great, you know what I mean, Like and I
think that, like I know, all fans are going to
look at this and say, well, he'll go up and
and we'll handle it. Well if you're if you're talking
about spending a top five pick on him number one,
you know, that's a that's a lot of guaranteed money,
and that's a resource that is is a precious, precious
(25:12):
resource they're gonna be spending on guy, um number two,
like guys who are there are other guys who are
going to be picked in that area to check a
lot of bosses that don't have these problems, which gives
those teams alternatives. And then number three, you know, the
player like this, you want to have good infrastructure and
usually teams that are drafting that high. Don't have that
sort of infrastructure, Um, you know. And I and I
(25:33):
heard my old buddy Daniel Jeremiah mentioning the Eagles at
the bottom of the top ten as a possibility, and
that would make a lot of sense because they do
have infrastructure, you know, good coaching staff, a veteran team, um,
a couple of his ex teammates, and Jordan Davis and
the Kobe Dan there already, Um, you know. But I'm
with you, Like I just I think it's one of
those things where like the Eagles could tell you we're
(25:56):
taking him, we're taking you, and then another guy the
Egles like follsome they take them and all of a sudden,
maybe you have teams in eleven, twelve thirteen. They really
like him as a player, but haven't had the chance
to talk to him enough so they aren't comfortable with it.
So so yeah, I mean, I Drew Rosen hasn't been
doing this for a long time. He actually was Warren
Sapp's agents, so he's been through this before. And maybe
(26:18):
they do have a promise. I just think it's a
risky proposition in this situation to say no to anybody
who wants to talk to the kid, Albert, we are
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Who got a
couple more minutes with Ab on a Thursday. Albert, So,
I was noticing a theme here. I'm looking at our
friends from DraftKings have some props up for the NFL Draft,
and I'm seeing, all right, so CJ. Stroud is projected
(26:41):
to be and he's the favorite to be the first
quarterback taken. And then I go over to the wide receivers.
I see Jackson Smith and jigbas the first projected to
be the first wide receiver take. And then I go
over to old line. I'm saying, there's no possible way
this is continuing. And then I see Paris Johnson Junior
is the favorite to be the first offensive lineman selected.
And I don't know if you, Albert, but it just
feels like that there's a common theme when it comes
(27:04):
to all these positions in the draft. Have you noticed
this theme as well, too? Wow? Come on, I mean,
you're really putting last season on him. You're putting it
on him, not Ryan Day settling for a fifty plus
yard field goal? And had that kid ever hit a
(27:24):
fifty plus yard field goal? Wasn't that the story. I
think that's all right. I don't think ruggles hit one.
I don't think so. Yeah, I mean, I like, you
don't you know, here's many defensive players drank that highly
that he used to write. Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean,
what do we think it is? Jackson Smith and Jigba
(27:44):
the slam dunk to be the first wide receiver taken
or I've have seen that some of the money has
come down on CJ. Strout at the top and Paris
Johnson is sitting at a slight favorite you feel in
confident in that, Albert, I think I put it this way.
I think right now I would bet on Jackson being
the first receiver taken over CJA being the first quarterback.
(28:06):
Right now. My guest right now would be Bryce Young
is the first overall pick to Carolina, and it's for
two reasons. Two reasons I would say, I would say
number one. Um, I know, like he blew Frank raich
away in the meeting, right like, so that's number one.
Number two. Have you guys heard of the s two tests?
I'll explain it. What is it? So this is like
(28:29):
this cognitive test right like that, like Joe Burrow did
fantastic on it a couple of years ago, and a
lot of it's it's basically tests, how like how fast
Guy's process. Right. There's been a lot of NFL investment
in this test, and there are a lot of owners
who believe that there is a real correlation between the
(28:52):
results of this test and how a quarterback assimilates into
the NFL. My understanding as Bryce Young knocked that out
of the are the same way Joe Burrow did. Justin
Field scored really well on that test too. I'm not
going to say we're Justin Fields and Joe Burrow. What
those two have in common interesting, but Bryce, but Bryce
(29:12):
Young did really really well on that test, and um,
you know, my understanding is that David Pepper, the Panther's owner,
puts a lot of stock in that thing and was
really anxious to get the results of it. UM. So,
like I think Bryce doing really well on the meeting
with Frank, Bryce doing really well on that test. Um.
I Like, I think the the size question is something
(29:34):
that the Panthers are still wrapping their heads around. UM.
But I do think like Pepper was sort of maybe
in the Stroud camp before this, and like I I
just having heard what I heard about, like how Bryce
did on that test, I wonder I sort of think
now that that may be enough to swing them to
the other side. And you put that together with how
(29:54):
how I heard Bryce did with Frank, and I'd sort
of give give give Bryce as light edge over CJ
to go first overall, right, how about that? No bias,
just a professional through and through, you know, Joan, if
I'm a journalist, yes see. And I don't care how
many burner accounts Brady comes up with when it comes
to you and in your phone, Wow, the blame now
(30:16):
account after like I think my phone is Like I
think my phone is pitching a perfect game, right it is? Yeah,
it absolutely is. Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB.
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. Good stuff, Thanks, Aby,
will do to get next week. There he is. We
are playing to you. By the way, he didn't have
any phone issues, did he No, he didn't tell was disappointing. Yeah,
(30:40):
I was actually proud of him. Yeah, I was looking
forward to it. That's always part of the conversation. I
was listening for the doorchime or the backup mirror of
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rather your random topics, sports or otherwise? All right, Lee
de Lap, what do we got, fellas? I'm interested to know?
Would you rather win the Masters or the Super Bowl
(32:50):
as a bench player who didn't play it down all season?
And like the Masters, you're you're winning it playing it, yes,
corrects masters, Yeah, I know you was looking like LaVar's
gonna go, but winning is Miami. Can you imagine to
them donning Leavar with the green jacket man with a
(33:10):
nice pair of green Jordans? Come on, man, I know
you get him in the closet just smiling as they
put him on. We could probably even get Tiger to
do it. They might even match with your grin shoes.
NUH's it's different greens. Yeah, it's too bad. That would
be That would be pretty dope, though. Yeah, if you
could double down on Tiger putting on me again, Yeah, well,
I don't have a problem with Tiger put You can
(33:32):
put the jacket on if I was winning. I just
feel like every time we bring them up, there's something there. Man.
I don't know if you guys cross paths and though
maybe he was like something something to pass me, there's
something there. I really could care less, honestly, I don't.
I don't know. Did he make your waitress take too
long to bring the check? Is that what happened? Like
(33:54):
you were there waiting for the check and odd he did?
In fairness, I did pull out, But what did he
pull out of a tournament. Oh what else? Guys. At
the NBA trade deadline, the MAVs had a fifty eight
percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's six percent.
(34:16):
My question, would you rather have Kyrie Irving as a
teammate or Antonio Brown? That might be the best one
you've ever come up? Man. I mean, I'm a quarterback
I've worked out with maybe once a while ago, and
he was a cool dude. Then he's talented as hell,
(34:38):
So I don't know, I'd probably pick a B. I
mean I think I would go. I'm gonna go Antonio Brown.
I'm gonna go, man, I don't know, I'm gonna go
Kyrie Irving just because he used he uses the incense
(35:03):
to to kind of purify energies and stuff like that.
And I mean, who who you know, who could go
wrong with purifying energy and stuff. I guess with Kyrie,
I feel like you have to worry about like these
odd conversations you're gonna have about is the world flat
or whatever makes some conspiracy theories. With Antonio Brown, it's like,
(35:24):
I mean, he could just have a bad day, burn
his feet in the cryo chamber, you know, not like
the helmet, he swhere, like there's a lot of other
issues that come along with that. So that's that's a
tough one. That's a good one. Let's see, we're not
trying to it's not be his friend, it's be his
teammate and everywhere saying though disaster, Like we could be
walking out to the court and man, did you hear
(35:47):
this theory ran off a field but naked? Yeah, but
he did. He had his pants on, but I mean
still was close enough. I mean, he joined Dallas and
it was like, man, Luca finally got a player, he
finally got a teammate. Downhill everything. They've got a six
percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's invest I mean,
ab joined the Bucks. They want a super Bowl. Yeah,
(36:08):
I mean, Kyrie's got a championship. I mean, I'm just
I don't know. I think Kyrie goes. I don't know.
I mean, I think it's a great question, great question, great,
great great. Well. In fact, let me tell you something,
somebody's gonna steal that. Who's listening on some sort of
a sports TV debate show. You're gonna see that. Yeah,
(36:30):
and they're not going to give any credit to lead
the lap and you know who's going to be feeding
him that information, probably Todd. That's why it's terrible. All right, Lee?
What else? All right? Saw downhill? For him? Here? Here
we go, Here we go, Here we go. From Kyrie
and a B two Sylvester Salone and Arnold Schwarzenegger. If
you could only watch Sylvestor Salone movies or Arnold Schwarzenegger movies,
(36:51):
which one would you rather go with? Please on it today?
You give the guy some time off he comes to
Oh man, Rocky is Rocky is Rocky? I was just
gonna say, like you, Rambo, but Predator and and kind
(37:12):
of Predators. Only one movie though, but there was three? Well, yeah,
he was only on one. He was only on one.
Can you watch Pumping Iron? Just pumping iron Cattle? I'm
a Garnold. That's a good one because there's some classic
one liners in that that you'll never be able to
play these days. The one he's with Danny de Vito.
What's that? Yeah? Yeah, Kindergarten cop awful movie. That's another recall. Yeah, uh,
(37:40):
I gotta go with with Sylvester just just because Rocky
is Rocky. Yeah, both if if if Rocky wasn't a
part of the conversation like if if Sylvester still want
to never made it, it'd be like a Rambo versus terminator,
and I'd probably would Lean Schwarzenegger. I'm with I'm with LaVar,
(38:01):
I'm taking I'm just taking sly. Yeah, I mean, if
you're a housekeeper, you definitely watch Still One over Arnold?
Is that right? Yeah? You know it's not supposed to me.
I mean, but isn't it. Isn't it Arnold? That No?
Okaytay Arnold? You know what else or not? Guys? Would
(38:22):
you rather be a fish or a bird? What type
of fish, what type of bird, bird, whatever kind of
bird you want, whatever kind of fish you had ass eagle,
I'd rather be an orca whale. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah,
nobody's hunting me. I'm the hunter. It's just kind of
(38:42):
like very depressed. I'm afraid of hosts. I'm afraid of
What's that? I mean, everything gets banged up out there.
It's difference between the water and the sky. The water
feels depressing, the sky fields kind of bullwater is like peaceful.
You ever seen Deadliest Catch? Like when I heard like
(39:02):
masters in the Deadliest Catcher Drug addict. I want to
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