April 17, 2023 • 38 mins
The NFL doesn’t invite TCU WR Quentin Johnston to Kansas City in order to spare him embarrassment if he falls in the draft and Brady talks about how to incentivize players to attend. Arch Manning is already off to a bad start at Texas, but he’ll get his shot down the line. Plus, a weekend recap on the FSR IR.
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should be. So, the NFL Draft is coming up in
a couple of weeks from now from Kansas City, and
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you're gonna have seventeen prospects reportedly on hand at the
NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Waiting to hear their name called.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
But one that will not be there, apparently is Quintin Johnston,
the stud wide receiver out of TCU. The report is
the NFL wants to avoid and need an embarrassing moment
for him if he happens to a little bit longer
than anybody else or who knows happens to, you know,
wait until day two of the draft if that were
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the case. So they have decided to go ahead and
not invite Quintin Johnston from TCU. He will not be
one of these seventeen on hand at the NFL drafts.
At least you're looking out for a well being, So
there's that little TCU.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Update for you.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The interesting thing is how would they know? Yeah, I
mean how.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Would they always wonder at that? How do you invite
who you're inviting? I always wonder at.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
That, which, again, like if you're looking at it from
this standpoint, a lot of people had Quentin Johnston, and
if you look at all the mock drafts or even
some of the prognosticators out there, people who do this
for a living, they've got them rated as a top three,
top four wide receiver at a bear minimum, right, I
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guess at the worst. So it's a bit surprising that
the NFL would would make this claim because there's only
one wide receiver from the p people I've talked to
with teams that have kind of just looked the other
way on what happened this past season. That's Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Everyone feels like as far as the skill
set rout running ability, he's fast enough. They have no
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concerns about the fact that he missed then entire season
basically off a soft tissue injury. They only a lot
of teams only view him as the first round guy,
or at least I have only have him as a
first round great on him. So if that's the case,
why would you invite Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison, who
are also invited along with Jackson Smith and JIGB and
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I believe have accepted the invite. I mean, are you
subjecting them to the same thing. So unless the NFL
somehow already has a really good idea of where some
of these teams are going, which seems nearly impossible because
it's not like they're going to disclose that with the
with the league and then have that not get around
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other teams or not leak out. Potentially, there's just so
many things that can happen. And you also don't know
if teams trade day of you know, those scenarios are
circumstances don't present themselves until the draft happens and teams
are under the clock and then stuff starts happening, so
they would not be able to know. I mean, look,
I hadn't met with a team outside the top ten.
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I haven't got it getting taken at the twenty second pick.
And I remember it was the year after, or maybe
it was two years after, but the NFL brought me
in league offices there at Park Avenue and we talked
for a while about what they could do to try
to entice players to want to come to the draft,
and I just flat outside.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I said, look, for me, it was more of a
you know, a personal thing.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Some of my family had never been to New York,
that probably will never go back to New York. It
was just like a once in a lifetime experience. And
I full well knew that, you know, there was the
chance of that happening. A lot of guys have agents
who convince them otherwise, or a lot of guys put
in their head that they're not going to drop or
they should be taken, you know, in a certain spot,
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and instead of like focusing so much on that, they
don't look at it, say that's just a starting point,
which is all it really is. It's just a starting
point for your you know, journey in the league and
hopefully you go to a good franchise and organization that
knows what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And so they said, well, what can we do to
get more guys.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
To come in here? I said, well, there's two things.
I mean, the first is you got.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
To incentivize them.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like a lot of times the league will have these
guys come and they won't have them with any money
making opportunities. So if you're not financially incentivizing them, imagine
the costs that's associated with their entire family coming into
New York for the draft. Like you got to comp
them some hotel rooms, some travel, some all this stuff
to take care of not just them, but they're family
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and all the other people who want to be a
part or have been a part of this process the
entire way. Like you got to hook them up a
little bit and maybe even find them a league sponsor
for one of these marketing deals so they get little
money in their pocket. Like that's the first thing to me.
And then the last thing is really just you know,
and it's hard to control it, but you know, you've
got to make sure they're informed and they're aware of
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what may take place. And as long as you go around,
you know, trying to you know, helping to craft the narrative,
which the League has the power to do with the
teams that have the rights to the draft, you know,
they're not going to feel like they're constantly you know,
on camera constantly a part of that. Now, some of
that's just again it's part of the situation and the conversation.
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You know, mel Kiper's not going to shy away from
a guy that he thinks should be drafted higher or
maybe in the first round. It's part of the drama
of the draft. There's nothing better than that. So that's
the odd thing is, you know, I don't know why
the NFL would take the stance on a player that
seemingly looks to be one of the top receivers in
this draft. And also it plays into the drama that
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is the draft. I mean, I guess they can film
him wherever he's at, but it makes for a better
case if he's in cant City and they have the
opportunity to see them there live. Like that's part of it,
is them putting you on camera and and people just
watching his picks go by and you're not getting picked.
It's how it was for Aaron's how was for me.
It's hell was for a lot of other people who
are in that spot. That's what creates some of the
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intrigue to it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'll just get this feeling that the organizations have to
the organizations have to probably give probably give a list
of who they're planning on taking. There has to be
some way of knowing you.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Think, so there has to be type. Don't they try
and keep everything?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't, well, I don't think that they I don't
think that they have to take like that. I don't
think it's a we're taking this one with our first
our first pick because they if that person.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
May not be there.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I don't think that the NFL gets involved in like, Okay,
this team is looking at these and it's all disclosed
to other teams. I just think that in order to
be able to coordinate all of the things that are
coordinated around the NFL Draft, there has to be a
path forward, a plan understanding. It's still production, it's still
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it's it's and it includes people.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
So I would I would.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I would assume you got to put like all right
for at least for the first round, for the first
round picks you like, here's your list, like, here's our
list of who we're planning on taking, and then I
would assume you just take what those names are, and
the names that keep popping up you you invite them,
like I I'm not saying you're saying you're like again,
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I'm not I'm not saying there's a definitive we're taking
this person with our first pick. I'm just saying, these
are the guys that we see going if we had
the opportunity we're taking right. There has to be something.
There has to be some form of reference. There has
to be.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
They probably get like a consensus of the teams that
have first round grades on players.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think that's most likely what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They've got some assortment of teams that have said, hey,
these guys all first round grades, and so it helps
the NFL then in the process of saying which guys
do we want to put in these spots where even
if they doesn't like I think there's common logic with
people on the outside that if a team has a need,
they're gonna draft that guy in the first round. Now,
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the problem with that is most people on the outside
don't understand how organizations think. If they have an immediate
need for a starter, they're gonna go find a veteran,
and that veteran might not always be a top veteran,
you know, a top paid veteran. It might be another
guy they end up signing later on that they trust
can come in, do the job and be the guy
for a period of time or even the first year
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while the rookie gets.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
His feet underneath them.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Even sometimes the first round picks, you know, the to
work them into the starting lineup or work them into
being a pro before they you know, just throw them
out there. So a lot of times the pick might
not make sense to people on the outside, but they
might have a guy who's going into the final year
of his contract and they have to eventually replace them,
and so they're drafting his replacement. But the point is
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this is they'll get in a you know, an idea
of who those first round graded players are, and so
they can at least invite them, knowing that, hey, if
so and so team doesn't take them, because it'd be
a good fit, that's a need for them. There's a
couple of teams behind them to have a first round
grade and up two they might take them. I would
just be highly concerned as an NFL team, knowing how
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the NFL office leaks like a sieve when it comes
to these sorts of things, and wanting to supply them
a list of potential players that we take, knowing that
you could have some people who've got some connections to
other teams that leak that stuff out, and that would
obviously could be harmful to a trade scenario, to you know,
certain teams picking certain players. That would be incredibly frustrating.
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So even that list I provide, I don't even know
how accurate what would be. Instead of providing them a
list of you know, hey, we've got first round grades
on twenty guys, I might provide them a list of forty.
I say, hey, we have a list of forty guys
we have first round grades on this year, and let
them figure out.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
The rest and they're okay, we got to work with
another team. Then.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, that's how I would handle it, because I
wouldn't want to provide them anything. I still remember being
going to the NFL Combine, being on camera people asking
you know, hey, you you ever smoked weed? You know,
you ever smoked the Old Green Wolf? And I was,
I mean, I could answer it, honestly. I'd never done
anything like that in my life. Still have never smoked
weed to this day. But there's other players who did
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answer honestly, and it got out, like literally we left
the combine and it leaked out that certain players in
our draft class had smoked weed.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I'm like, well, there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Why would you trust anything with the NFL because it
always there's always a leak at some point.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's like, remember when Darius Hayward Bay went number seven
to the Raiders. Nobody had him being a top ten pick.
Nobody had him going that high, and so he probably
didn't show up to the draft thinking, well, there's no
chance that I'm going to be taken as high as
one of these guys that's going to be drafted, that
would walk up to the stage, get his jersey, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But he didn't even have the choice.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
He didn't even have the option, and the Raiders went
ahead and made a pick for a guy that nobody
probably expected was going to be there. I would just
rather not take any chances. If a guy wants to
go and he's projected to be a top thirty or
a top forty pick, just let him go. And the
fact that they don't even cover the hotel room costs
for the families, I didn't know that. I thought that
was something that came with, Hey, how many people are
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you with?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And it was a while ago, and so I think
they maybe do it for like two rooms or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Geez, come on.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And that's where like I when they asked me to
like consult, I basically said to them, look, you guys
got to realize. You know, for a lot of these guys,
it's hard for them. It's gonna be hard for them
to overcome, you know, some of that in their mind.
And I think there's a lot of guys who, you know,
they get frustrated at their agent because their agents tell
them they're gonna drafted higher than they probably actually are.
(13:16):
It's like, so you know, you have to kind of
be the voice of reason if you're presenting them this
opportunity and just flat out say to them, hey, if
you don't get taken in this spot, you know, like
what we got you. You know, we'll make sure to
take care of you. But that's the tough part. I
think there's some players who want to go, they want
to have the experience regardless, you know, they don't care
as much. And there's some players who really do care.
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But either way, there has to be some incentivization. You
can't just like say, here's the opportunity, you know, come
on down if you want. You got to provide them
with some chances to make some money. Off this whole thing.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
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So coming up, we are going to have a discussion
about what could be some bad news for one of
the best prospects in all of football.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Well into that for you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That's next.
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Speaker 4 (14:16):
Oh yeah, this was it back in the day.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Man, this is one of them.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Oh I was a banger.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I wonder if they were playing this.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Oh yes, yes, what.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Are they playing this Texas Spring game?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Oh, I got your time about Uh, you know, just
good Man kod or.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Some Chicago band smash.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Here comes get a spearmint rhino.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Oh yeah, come on now, Hack squats six each side,
Hack squats on the wrong five sets.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Of thirty yea in the wrong place. That wasn't you?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Definitely not me? No hack squats, LaVar, Are you not
doing hack squats?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Uh? Have you seen my leg Oh.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Come on bigger than mine.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Uh if you I'm just telling you I've been accused
of being I don't even want to say.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It because it's it's it's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Kind towards those who really have to do it. But
just let's just say I've been I've been put in
a wheelchair at times for the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
And stuff like that by the teammates. Yeah, they put
me in a wheelchair like yeah, they yeah, they said.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's how my legs are. Well, if i'm a if
I'm a if I'm snitching, it's probably Fred Smoot was
the one that that man.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Did you just throw Fritz Smoot under the bus?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I did.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I put in shots out to my man Smooty. He
hit me with the smoot smack and I was in
a wheelchair in the Olympics, And yeah, that would have
been my chance to compete.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Because that is funny.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That's pretty funny though, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Started he started wheeling around the locker room too.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
In connected to that boat, if you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Go to up on game conversations with the legend, you
can hear the back end of that that the untold
stories of the boat.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
The boat that Jonas is speaking of.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, some tells me those aren't all the stories either.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Oh wow, he said there was a weapon of mass
destruction that were and distribution on that faithful night on
the boat.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. So we are going to have
an FSRI are coming up in about twenty minutes from
now from the ti raq dot com studios. But we
do have some bad news. We have some bad news
for many people out there that were propping up the
next great Manning quarterback in the world of football, Arch Manning.
We've been hearing NonStop about arch Manning, all of these
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grainy videos that have popped up of somebody holding a
sideline cell phone and just seeing arch Manning dropping dimes.
A world class competition, as you would be led to believe.
And then all of a sudden, the spring game for
Texas pops up, and well, not all that hot. Arch
Manning was outplayed by both quarterbacks in Texas, obviously Quinn Ewers,
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who was the starter last year, and then you've also
got Malik Murphy who was the backup and he was
competing with arch Manning as well too. He outplayed arch
Manning at the spring game. There are some numbers and
statistics to go along with that, but it led Steve Sarkejian,
the head coach of the Texas Longhorns, to make the
no brainer choice that quinn Ewers is back at starting
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quarterback for the Texas Longhorns. So the arch Manning hype
train hits a little bit of a bump in the
road there for the Texas quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I mean, I think if you watched some of the
spring game, which I had the opportunity to see some
of it, you know, there's a few things that stood out.
Let me just say this in defense of arch Manning.
He didn't get much time or protection. You know, he
didn't force the bar or it in the harm's way,
and so that that would have been one thing that
I think you had been really concerned by, only because
of his pedigree and you know, his his coaching growing up,
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being that he's a Manning that if he was under
duress and he was putting the ball in bad spots
and turn the ball over a bunch, that would have
been a problem. He didn't necessarily do that. It's just
his stat line's not going to match what Maligu Murphy
or what Quinn e Were has had.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And that's okay.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's he's a freshman, he's young, he's adapting to a
faster speed of the game, and it's going to take
him a little time. But I would be willing to
bet his learning curve is one that you know, the
next time he's out, he's gonna get better and he's
going to keep getting better from there. He's a better
athlete than people, you know, give him credit. I think
one of the things I was tough watching his high
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school film is he wasn't playing versus the best competition.
Like that was pretty apparent when you'd watched the clips. However,
you know, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a ton
of ability and he's not going to be able to
utilize the guys of him. But what was on display was,
you know, Quinn Ewers, clearly who's been in the system,
now looks like he's in command of the offense. And furthermore,
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he's just got a unique arm talent. There's a reason
why he was so highly rated. He could change his
arm angles. He's got a strong arm. He cleaned up.
I thought some of his footwork I know that people
have talked about his diet. He's eating better, he's taking
care of himself better. Those are all Those are all mature,
good things. You'd like to see it of a quarterback
who's tried to be the first overall pick in the future,
which is what quinn Ewers has the ability to be.
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He reminds me of as far as the arm ability
of someone like Matt Stafford. You know where he's got
this really strong arm. He doesn't have to necessarily always
address his throats. He can just kind of whip his
arm around and sling that football. Who really stood out
the most of is Malik Murphy. I mean, he's got
an extremely live arm, probably the strongest of every quarterback
on that roster. Dude, he's big and he's athletic. He
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can move for that size. So you know, if you're
arch manning, it might be while before you get that
opportunity to go in there and play.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And he's gonna have to be patient.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I think the tough thing is for Steve Sarkesian
is you've got three really capable quarterbacks, and depending on
how this whole thing plays out, you're probably gonna lose
one and that's only because everyone wants to play.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
They want to get in there, they want to play.
They're gonna go in the.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
NFL, and so in order to do that, you know,
they've got to be able to have the opportunity and
the reps. So, you know, for these guys that sit
on the bench anymore, it's just it's not a reality.
And with the transfer portal the way it's set up,
you know, in May it's actually open right now, they
moved to date up. It used to be from May
first to the fourteenth, I believe. Now it's April fifteenth
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to the thirtieth, So I mean, guys are putting their
name in the portal now and trying to see what
other opportunities are out there. And then obviously it starts
to get in December through January, so it's it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Interesting to see how this all plays out.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
He's a he's a big name because the manning last name,
and he's at a one of the blue bloods of
college football at the University of Texas, and it might
not be his time this year, but eventually there'll come
a time where he's going to be in that quarterback
battle and we'll see how he competes against a guy
like Malik Murphy who's got, like I said, a ton
of ability. I mean you you talk about a guy
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who again looks to be the part and looks to
be like another first round prospect both viewers, but obviously
Mlig Murphy as well.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I would just I would just add when you have
three guys that that are of elite level status at
one college, and and yes, the sentiment that you're going
to lose at least one, you might lose two. But
the idea of it is is that when you have
that type of talent, you have to you have to
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know and you have to accept as a player sometimes
that that it's the competition that that is going to
make you national champs. Right Like, if if I don't
have anybody that's any good that's behind me, and then
how much better am.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I really going to get?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
If I'm running one hundred meters against somebody, you know,
against my teammates in practice and they can only run
an eleven flat. But we're going to have to get
to the Nines to be able to win a national title.
You know, somebody's got to be pushing each other to
be able to push to those numbers. And so sometimes
I feel like the transfer portal and sometimes even you know,
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the popularity of recruits or the pressure on coaches doesn't
really allow for the true development of that elite player,
you know. And then sometimes that whole the brand of
the player, like the Manning brand, is such a bohemoth
brand and to be there that amount of pressure, you
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should be people should be applauding that that there are
guys that are actually standing in and standing up to
the pressure of arch being there and not bowing down
to it, because in the end.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's a lot of pressure to be under when when
knowing that, okay, he chose to come here and this
is who you have to compete against. So in some
instances I hope that these guys except that it's okay
to have two three good elite quarterbacks on a roster.
You may need one more in the in the in
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the initial you may need one more outside further out
and take your turn. Like I can recall, you can
recall at all the top programs. I mean, if you
think about like back when Florida State was Florida State,
that was every position and they weren't reloading, right, or
they weren't rebuilding. They were reloading. You think about notre dame.
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They weren't reloaded, or they weren't rebuilding, they were reloading.
It was just somebody was coming in at quarterback, at
running back, at receiver, at linebacker, at d there was
always someone and if somebody got hurt, somebody else popped
in and they blew up because you knew that they.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Were good enough to be starting to begin with.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Like, there's something to be said about having an elite roster.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like we've gotten so far away.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
From talking about playing your role and waiting your turn
and earning your keep because the transferred portal says that
it's easy to just walk away from a situation, a
circumstance and instead of growing the muscle, y'all talked about
hack squats and all that stuff, instead of really forcing
the muscle to grow because you got to tear and
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rip and build and all those different things. You're not
putting any type of pressure on yourself.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Can I ask you guys a question though, as guys,
who were you know, six star recruits?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You guys weren't even five star, you were six stars.
That's not sure, six in a quarter. In fact, bar
was a five star.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I was a four star. Well, they didn't even have
stars when I was coming. I'm too old eight.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You know, Brady, you're a six star to me.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
There, you got that. I'll take you.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But log jam at a position. So if you were
arch Manning and you're looking at Texas and you see
Quinn yours is coming back, and there was already a
ton of hype about him and where he was going
to end up going. He had showed a lot of
promis this past year. The game against Oklahoma, he was
fantastic and then you see Malik Murphy he was awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So he got hurt.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
They would they would have beat Bama had he stayed
healthy in that game.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Agreed and Milik Murphy, who's six ' five what two
thirty and was he nineteen years old? So if you're
arch Manning, why would.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You go there?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Why if you wanted to play, why wouldn't you go
somewhere else where? There wasn't a log jam.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think some of the tough thing for Arches he
might want to carve out his own way and at
least in the short term, you know, Texas will be
a part of the SEC they're currently not now. You know,
Eli went to Old Miss Peyton went to Tennessee, and
you kind of had all of that potential for him
to go to another SEC school, But you know, maybe
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he just felt like Austin was a better place for
him to grow and develop as an individual. Steve Sarkejian
being there as the head coach could have a lot
to do with it too. There's a number of things,
but I always tell kids, you know, make this them
more than just about football. Make it more than just
about the head coach. The head coach will come and
go even football if things don't work out, you get injured,
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God forbid. You want to have at least a degree
to start building the foundation of what you're going to
be doing moving forward. You know, I was fortunate enough
to go to Notre Dame because I sure as hell
wouldn't have gotten in if I was just a normal
student there. And you surround yourself with so many, so
many incredibly bright, intelligent people. Like one of the things
I'm most jealous of. And I'll say this to another
(26:43):
buddy who played for shoot twelve thirteen, fourteen years whatever
it was, and he's like, man, he's like some of
these guys I talked to, like, I know, they went
through their lumps early after they got done playing and
trying to figure out what they wanted to do, but
now they're on a career path or they're just building
from here. He's like, it's kind of tough as an
apple sometimes where you leave and then you've got to
figure out like what's next. And honestly, like they're earning
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potential after you get out of the league, you're probably
never gonna make the same type of money the rest
of your career. And so for a a lot of players,
like they don't realize it. And I think the hard
thing about the transfer portal, just to bring this, you know,
full circle, is you got kids transferring who don't care
about their degree. They don't even care about finishing. They're
just trying to make sure they're eligible and they're trying
(27:25):
to make sure they have a spot to go play
football somewhere.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And that's great.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I'm not trying to deter anyone from their dream or
getting an opportunity to go play and finishing it out.
But when it's all said and done, like you still
have to come back and have a foundation, and you
still have to have a network and the ability to
go provide for yourself and eventually for a family and
all that. And when you keep bouncing around school to school,
or when you truly don't ever sign up and have
(27:49):
any sort of commitment to any school or anyone, it
makes it hard for you to do that once you
get out into the job market. So it's it's hard.
I mean, look, we could go on on and off
about this. I mean, the NCAA just approved unlimited official
and unofficial visits, like now, these kids can go as
much as they want, however many times they want. And
(28:11):
so for people out there to understand, there's so many
issues with this, the first being the cost associated. So obviously,
you only have so many scholarships a year if you're
a university, and you can finagle that a little bit,
but you know you're gonna be having a bunch of
kids in on official visits that aren't even probably possible
to be there, and it costs the university a good amount.
(28:34):
I mean, Georgia spent four point six million this year
just for their football recruiting alone. I have no idea
how much they spent in other ways if you're catch
my drill. But that's just four point six million on
the books, So imagine everything else that went into nil
efforts or other recruiting efforts, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Like it's I mean that amongst the fact that like
these staffs and these universities aren't built out to just
have an unlimited amount of visits. I mean, someone possed
in on an unofficial visit all of a sudden, you
got to make sure you're touring this kid around. I mean,
it's so so dumb and short sighted on the side
of the NCAA. I have no idea what they're thinking.
(29:16):
And furthermore, when you're supposed to be a governing body
that oversees all of this, would you think that if
you shouldn't be able to have an unlimited amount because
if a school was cheating, if they were providing improper
benefits and everything else that they should be doing, how
are you going to have this robust department that's going
to be able to check this or are you really
(29:37):
going to ask schools to be accountable when schools who
have been accountable in the past, You've brought down unfair punishment.
I mean, I really thought with the new president when
a Baker I think is his name, the guy who's
the governor of Massachusetts, I really thought, Okay, we might
be headed into better direction. He's got some friends in Congress.
(29:57):
Maybe they'll create some federal legislation. If this is one
of your first moves and they're gonna oversee this. This
is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. Like,
instead of like tightening things up and creating more boundaries
and restrictions, yeah, it's like it's like, oh, yeah, do
whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Visit as much as you want. Someone's gonna pay for it.
We don't know who.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Like, and by the way, don't worry if something wrong happens,
we won't check either, like you will get in trouble
for it.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
It's like, hey, we're gonna make weed legal. And you know,
while we're at it, how about crystal math to do
what you gotta do. Everybody have a good time with it. Yeah,
it's pretty Uh, it's gonna be practiced.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You just compare high school recruiting.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No, I'm just saying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Really did he really just shoot from the hit man.
Jonahs just will bring this stuff out.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And I'm just you know what I mean, It's like I.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Don't I do there's a correlation between crystal methodiz.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
It's like it's like you'll allow one thing within you
just go way over the top with allowing everything else.
You know, Like that was that was the whole point.
But I'll tell you this, anything's better. I know this,
Anything's better than artificial turf.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Ain't that right?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Lebar? And that's that's a very very great point there,
you make, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And you know what, my people at Pennington, they wanted
you to know that, you know, artificial turf fields they're
causing up to thirty two percent more non contact knee injuries.
Did you know that American grass sea company Pennington is
on a mission to ban turf fields with their hashtag
flip the Turf movement? All right, So go to Pennington
(31:29):
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and sign the petition for teams to hashtag flip the
turf to real grass.
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Speaker 3 (33:20):
All right, who's got step right up?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, LeVar, I'm still on IR. I'm like Jahn
Moran and hit Tyler Hero. I don't know that I'll
be able to make it back for the next game.
Uh yeah, I mean it was just it was just
NonStop since uh Thursday evening. Okay, so what Thursday evening
was Cafe to ten. That's the originator of why I
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even do Long Islands.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
To begin with. Yeah, shouts out the cafe to ten?
What up to ten? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And then Friday we went to the Federal Tap House.
Federal Tap House ended up becoming the place of choice.
They have some amazing barbecue, well is a barbecue Brussels
sprouts for pretty fired.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Their fruit pretty fire, but.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
But we switched up to tequila and grapefruit juice and
and that ended up being really really like a foggy,
foggy day Friday. Friday was and then Saturday ended up
being Long Islands and then we we knocked down. We
knocked down. And I shouldn't be bragging, because I'm not bragging,
(34:35):
but it's just I'm just giving you a feel for
why I'm so banged up, because I don't really know
how much I contributed, but.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
We we got what does that mean? How much you contributed?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, meaning that that I don't know how much how
many pores of each one of the five bottles that
ended up disappearing When we went to Champs shots out
to Champs Downtown State College, uh and my man DJ
Richter uh Richter had us dancing his music selection.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
His djaying skills are phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's it's it's like just it's it's he's the best
in the biz. And before we knew it cute, all
the bottles were empty. So I don't know how much
I contributed to those bottles being empty. I just know
that my head right now is still yeah, it's still
banged up, man, Yeah, I mean, I'm banged up a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I'm good, but I'm banged up. Yeah. Yeah, so there
you go there.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
How much water would you bang out? Though?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, I'll tell you know. I keep my water lately
because I've been trying to lose all of this fat.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
So I've been drinking.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
And I managed and I managed to work out twice
while I was there too. I did manage to work out.
I rode the bike, I gotta, I got lifted weights.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Look at you, man, you're trying to new leaf.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm proud of you about that. I'm just I'm just
tired of being this fat ass dude that walks around
looking off flabby and sloppy and having to deal with
like feeling that way.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
So you know, I've been in the gym.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and I drank a lot of water, not as
probably not as much as I should add because I
didn't have enough room, but I definitely which I should
have made more room for the water than I did
for the alcohol.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
But nonetheless I did drink a lot of water.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, you don't know about my ir story is y? Yes,
I hate to go off on I don't know a
bit of a ramt, but so we had a lot
of rain last week, all right, Wednesday last week it
made national news. I mean it was it was flooding.
There was a lot of flooding. Some people were impacted
by it. Some people are still impacted by it. The
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hard thing for me to really digest in all of
this because they canceled school. It's like it's gotten to
the point where we are so cautious with like having
kids go to school. I think it's just it ends
up being a bad metaphor for them moving forward, Like
these kids are tough. If you're not feeling great, don't
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go to school. You know, if the weather's a little bad, outsie,
we're not going to school. And it's such a one
to eighty from what school used to be, where you
used to have to go even if you weren't feeling great.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You used to have to understand how to push through
it and get through that day.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Just like so many people listening right now who probably
woke up that don't feel great, that are still at
their job, that are still out there driving around, They're
still doing their thing, Like that's life. And dude, Thursday
and Friday, the weather was so nice, well, we were
able to take our kids out do stuff, you know,
with our kids outside all during the day, and I
kept thinking.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
They should be in school right now.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's so frustrating the way as a parent looking at
it now, going like this was never how it used
to be. I don't know how it got to this point.
Obviously there were some people impacted. Well if they're impacted,
like those people can get help and they don't need
to send their kids right Like, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Did it change after COVID? Did that set this in motion?
The sort of mentality and.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
This maybe part of that. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I didn't grow up in our area, so it's it's
hard to tell, but it's very, very frustrated. That's my
eye out by our kids being at home again.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you got you got one that
stays at home anyway now, so you're that.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
He just sleeps and eats some poops what kind of
like Jonas kind of like Jonas Young Chop.
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you're gonna have seventeen prospects reportedly on hand at the
NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Waiting to hear their name called.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
But one that will not be there, apparently is Quintin Johnston,
the stud wide receiver out of TCU. The report is
the NFL wants to avoid and need an embarrassing moment
for him if he happens to a little bit longer
than anybody else or who knows happens to, you know,
wait until day two of the draft if that were
(02:06):
the case. So they have decided to go ahead and
not invite Quintin Johnston from TCU. He will not be
one of these seventeen on hand at the NFL drafts.
At least you're looking out for a well being, So
there's that little TCU.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Update for you.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The interesting thing is how would they know? Yeah, I
mean how.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Would they always wonder at that? How do you invite
who you're inviting? I always wonder at.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
That, which, again, like if you're looking at it from
this standpoint, a lot of people had Quentin Johnston, and
if you look at all the mock drafts or even
some of the prognosticators out there, people who do this
for a living, they've got them rated as a top three,
top four wide receiver at a bear minimum, right, I
(02:51):
guess at the worst. So it's a bit surprising that
the NFL would would make this claim because there's only
one wide receiver from the p people I've talked to
with teams that have kind of just looked the other
way on what happened this past season. That's Jackson Smith
and Jigba. Everyone feels like as far as the skill
set rout running ability, he's fast enough. They have no
(03:12):
concerns about the fact that he missed then entire season
basically off a soft tissue injury. They only a lot
of teams only view him as the first round guy,
or at least I have only have him as a
first round great on him. So if that's the case,
why would you invite Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison, who
are also invited along with Jackson Smith and JIGB and
(03:33):
I believe have accepted the invite. I mean, are you
subjecting them to the same thing. So unless the NFL
somehow already has a really good idea of where some
of these teams are going, which seems nearly impossible because
it's not like they're going to disclose that with the
with the league and then have that not get around
(03:55):
other teams or not leak out. Potentially, there's just so
many things that can happen. And you also don't know
if teams trade day of you know, those scenarios are
circumstances don't present themselves until the draft happens and teams
are under the clock and then stuff starts happening, so
they would not be able to know. I mean, look,
I hadn't met with a team outside the top ten.
(04:17):
I haven't got it getting taken at the twenty second pick.
And I remember it was the year after, or maybe
it was two years after, but the NFL brought me
in league offices there at Park Avenue and we talked
for a while about what they could do to try
to entice players to want to come to the draft,
and I just flat outside.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I said, look, for me, it was more of a
you know, a personal thing.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Some of my family had never been to New York,
that probably will never go back to New York. It
was just like a once in a lifetime experience. And
I full well knew that, you know, there was the
chance of that happening. A lot of guys have agents
who convince them otherwise, or a lot of guys put
in their head that they're not going to drop or
they should be taken, you know, in a certain spot,
(05:03):
and instead of like focusing so much on that, they
don't look at it, say that's just a starting point,
which is all it really is. It's just a starting
point for your you know, journey in the league and
hopefully you go to a good franchise and organization that
knows what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And so they said, well, what can we do to
get more guys.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
To come in here? I said, well, there's two things.
I mean, the first is you got.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
To incentivize them.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like a lot of times the league will have these
guys come and they won't have them with any money
making opportunities. So if you're not financially incentivizing them, imagine
the costs that's associated with their entire family coming into
New York for the draft. Like you got to comp
them some hotel rooms, some travel, some all this stuff
to take care of not just them, but they're family
(05:49):
and all the other people who want to be a
part or have been a part of this process the
entire way. Like you got to hook them up a
little bit and maybe even find them a league sponsor
for one of these marketing deals so they get little
money in their pocket. Like that's the first thing to me.
And then the last thing is really just you know,
and it's hard to control it, but you know, you've
got to make sure they're informed and they're aware of
(06:12):
what may take place. And as long as you go around,
you know, trying to you know, helping to craft the narrative,
which the League has the power to do with the
teams that have the rights to the draft, you know,
they're not going to feel like they're constantly you know,
on camera constantly a part of that. Now, some of
that's just again it's part of the situation and the conversation.
(06:33):
You know, mel Kiper's not going to shy away from
a guy that he thinks should be drafted higher or
maybe in the first round. It's part of the drama
of the draft. There's nothing better than that. So that's
the odd thing is, you know, I don't know why
the NFL would take the stance on a player that
seemingly looks to be one of the top receivers in
this draft. And also it plays into the drama that
(06:54):
is the draft. I mean, I guess they can film
him wherever he's at, but it makes for a better
case if he's in cant City and they have the
opportunity to see them there live. Like that's part of it,
is them putting you on camera and and people just
watching his picks go by and you're not getting picked.
It's how it was for Aaron's how was for me.
It's hell was for a lot of other people who
are in that spot. That's what creates some of the
(07:16):
intrigue to it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'll just get this feeling that the organizations have to
the organizations have to probably give probably give a list
of who they're planning on taking. There has to be
some way of knowing you.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Think, so there has to be type. Don't they try
and keep everything?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I don't, well, I don't think that they I don't
think that they have to take like that. I don't
think it's a we're taking this one with our first
our first pick because they if that person.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
May not be there.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And I don't think that the NFL gets involved in like, Okay,
this team is looking at these and it's all disclosed
to other teams. I just think that in order to
be able to coordinate all of the things that are
coordinated around the NFL Draft, there has to be a
path forward, a plan understanding. It's still production, it's still
(08:20):
it's it's and it includes people.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
So I would I would.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I would assume you got to put like all right
for at least for the first round, for the first
round picks you like, here's your list, like, here's our
list of who we're planning on taking, and then I
would assume you just take what those names are, and
the names that keep popping up you you invite them,
like I I'm not saying you're saying you're like again,
(08:48):
I'm not I'm not saying there's a definitive we're taking
this person with our first pick. I'm just saying, these
are the guys that we see going if we had
the opportunity we're taking right. There has to be something.
There has to be some form of reference. There has
to be.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
They probably get like a consensus of the teams that
have first round grades on players.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think that's most likely what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They've got some assortment of teams that have said, hey,
these guys all first round grades, and so it helps
the NFL then in the process of saying which guys
do we want to put in these spots where even
if they doesn't like I think there's common logic with
people on the outside that if a team has a need,
they're gonna draft that guy in the first round. Now,
(09:35):
the problem with that is most people on the outside
don't understand how organizations think. If they have an immediate
need for a starter, they're gonna go find a veteran,
and that veteran might not always be a top veteran,
you know, a top paid veteran. It might be another
guy they end up signing later on that they trust
can come in, do the job and be the guy
for a period of time or even the first year
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while the rookie gets.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
His feet underneath them.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Even sometimes the first round picks, you know, the to
work them into the starting lineup or work them into
being a pro before they you know, just throw them
out there. So a lot of times the pick might
not make sense to people on the outside, but they
might have a guy who's going into the final year
of his contract and they have to eventually replace them,
and so they're drafting his replacement. But the point is
(10:19):
this is they'll get in a you know, an idea
of who those first round graded players are, and so
they can at least invite them, knowing that, hey, if
so and so team doesn't take them, because it'd be
a good fit, that's a need for them. There's a
couple of teams behind them to have a first round
grade and up two they might take them. I would
just be highly concerned as an NFL team, knowing how
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the NFL office leaks like a sieve when it comes
to these sorts of things, and wanting to supply them
a list of potential players that we take, knowing that
you could have some people who've got some connections to
other teams that leak that stuff out, and that would
obviously could be harmful to a trade scenario, to you know,
certain teams picking certain players. That would be incredibly frustrating.
(11:05):
So even that list I provide, I don't even know
how accurate what would be. Instead of providing them a
list of you know, hey, we've got first round grades
on twenty guys, I might provide them a list of forty.
I say, hey, we have a list of forty guys
we have first round grades on this year, and let
them figure out.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
The rest and they're okay, we got to work with
another team. Then.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, that's how I would handle it, because I
wouldn't want to provide them anything. I still remember being
going to the NFL Combine, being on camera people asking
you know, hey, you you ever smoked weed? You know,
you ever smoked the Old Green Wolf? And I was,
I mean, I could answer it, honestly. I'd never done
anything like that in my life. Still have never smoked
weed to this day. But there's other players who did
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answer honestly, and it got out, like literally we left
the combine and it leaked out that certain players in
our draft class had smoked weed.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I'm like, well, there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Why would you trust anything with the NFL because it
always there's always a leak at some point.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's like, remember when Darius Hayward Bay went number seven
to the Raiders. Nobody had him being a top ten pick.
Nobody had him going that high, and so he probably
didn't show up to the draft thinking, well, there's no
chance that I'm going to be taken as high as
one of these guys that's going to be drafted, that
would walk up to the stage, get his jersey, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But he didn't even have the choice.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
He didn't even have the option, and the Raiders went
ahead and made a pick for a guy that nobody
probably expected was going to be there. I would just
rather not take any chances. If a guy wants to
go and he's projected to be a top thirty or
a top forty pick, just let him go. And the
fact that they don't even cover the hotel room costs
for the families, I didn't know that. I thought that
was something that came with, Hey, how many people are
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you with?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And it was a while ago, and so I think
they maybe do it for like two rooms or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Geez, come on.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
And that's where like I when they asked me to
like consult, I basically said to them, look, you guys
got to realize. You know, for a lot of these guys,
it's hard for them. It's gonna be hard for them
to overcome, you know, some of that in their mind.
And I think there's a lot of guys who, you know,
they get frustrated at their agent because their agents tell
them they're gonna drafted higher than they probably actually are.
(13:16):
It's like, so you know, you have to kind of
be the voice of reason if you're presenting them this
opportunity and just flat out say to them, hey, if
you don't get taken in this spot, you know, like
what we got you. You know, we'll make sure to
take care of you. But that's the tough part. I
think there's some players who want to go, they want
to have the experience regardless, you know, they don't care
as much. And there's some players who really do care.
(13:36):
But either way, there has to be some incentivization. You
can't just like say, here's the opportunity, you know, come
on down if you want. You got to provide them
with some chances to make some money. Off this whole thing.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Aknox with you.
So coming up, we are going to have a discussion
about what could be some bad news for one of
the best prospects in all of football.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Well into that for you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
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Speaker 4 (14:16):
Oh yeah, this was it back in the day.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Man, this is one of them.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Oh I was a banger.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I wonder if they were playing this.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Oh yes, yes, what.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Are they playing this Texas Spring game?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Oh, I got your time about Uh, you know, just
good Man kod or.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Some Chicago band smash.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Here comes get a spearmint rhino.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Oh yeah, come on now, Hack squats six each side,
Hack squats on the wrong five sets.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Of thirty yea in the wrong place. That wasn't you?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Definitely not me? No hack squats, LaVar, Are you not
doing hack squats?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Uh? Have you seen my leg Oh.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Come on bigger than mine.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Uh if you I'm just telling you I've been accused
of being I don't even want to say.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It because it's it's it's not it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Kind towards those who really have to do it. But
just let's just say I've been I've been put in
a wheelchair at times for the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
And stuff like that by the teammates. Yeah, they put
me in a wheelchair like yeah, they yeah, they said.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's how my legs are. Well, if i'm a if
I'm a if I'm snitching, it's probably Fred Smoot was
the one that that man.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Did you just throw Fritz Smoot under the bus?
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I did.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I put in shots out to my man Smooty. He
hit me with the smoot smack and I was in
a wheelchair in the Olympics, And yeah, that would have
been my chance to compete.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Because that is funny.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That's pretty funny though, that's pretty funny.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Started he started wheeling around the locker room too.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
In connected to that boat, if you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Go to up on game conversations with the legend, you
can hear the back end of that that the untold
stories of the boat.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
The boat that Jonas is speaking of.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, some tells me those aren't all the stories either.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Oh wow, he said there was a weapon of mass
destruction that were and distribution on that faithful night on
the boat.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. So we are going to have
an FSRI are coming up in about twenty minutes from
now from the ti raq dot com studios. But we
do have some bad news. We have some bad news
for many people out there that were propping up the
next great Manning quarterback in the world of football, Arch Manning.
We've been hearing NonStop about arch Manning, all of these
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grainy videos that have popped up of somebody holding a
sideline cell phone and just seeing arch Manning dropping dimes.
A world class competition, as you would be led to believe.
And then all of a sudden, the spring game for
Texas pops up, and well, not all that hot. Arch
Manning was outplayed by both quarterbacks in Texas, obviously Quinn Ewers,
(17:15):
who was the starter last year, and then you've also
got Malik Murphy who was the backup and he was
competing with arch Manning as well too. He outplayed arch
Manning at the spring game. There are some numbers and
statistics to go along with that, but it led Steve Sarkejian,
the head coach of the Texas Longhorns, to make the
no brainer choice that quinn Ewers is back at starting
(17:37):
quarterback for the Texas Longhorns. So the arch Manning hype
train hits a little bit of a bump in the
road there for the Texas quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I mean, I think if you watched some of the
spring game, which I had the opportunity to see some
of it, you know, there's a few things that stood out.
Let me just say this in defense of arch Manning.
He didn't get much time or protection. You know, he
didn't force the bar or it in the harm's way,
and so that that would have been one thing that
I think you had been really concerned by, only because
of his pedigree and you know, his his coaching growing up,
(18:10):
being that he's a Manning that if he was under
duress and he was putting the ball in bad spots
and turn the ball over a bunch, that would have
been a problem. He didn't necessarily do that. It's just
his stat line's not going to match what Maligu Murphy
or what Quinn e Were has had.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And that's okay.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's he's a freshman, he's young, he's adapting to a
faster speed of the game, and it's going to take
him a little time. But I would be willing to
bet his learning curve is one that you know, the
next time he's out, he's gonna get better and he's
going to keep getting better from there. He's a better
athlete than people, you know, give him credit. I think
one of the things I was tough watching his high
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school film is he wasn't playing versus the best competition.
Like that was pretty apparent when you'd watched the clips. However,
you know, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a ton
of ability and he's not going to be able to
utilize the guys of him. But what was on display was,
you know, Quinn Ewers, clearly who's been in the system,
now looks like he's in command of the offense. And furthermore,
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he's just got a unique arm talent. There's a reason
why he was so highly rated. He could change his
arm angles. He's got a strong arm. He cleaned up.
I thought some of his footwork I know that people
have talked about his diet. He's eating better, he's taking
care of himself better. Those are all Those are all mature,
good things. You'd like to see it of a quarterback
who's tried to be the first overall pick in the future,
which is what quinn Ewers has the ability to be.
(19:31):
He reminds me of as far as the arm ability
of someone like Matt Stafford. You know where he's got
this really strong arm. He doesn't have to necessarily always
address his throats. He can just kind of whip his
arm around and sling that football. Who really stood out
the most of is Malik Murphy. I mean, he's got
an extremely live arm, probably the strongest of every quarterback
on that roster. Dude, he's big and he's athletic. He
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can move for that size. So you know, if you're
arch manning, it might be while before you get that
opportunity to go in there and play.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And he's gonna have to be patient.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
And I think the tough thing is for Steve Sarkesian
is you've got three really capable quarterbacks, and depending on
how this whole thing plays out, you're probably gonna lose
one and that's only because everyone wants to play.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
They want to get in there, they want to play.
They're gonna go in the.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
NFL, and so in order to do that, you know,
they've got to be able to have the opportunity and
the reps. So, you know, for these guys that sit
on the bench anymore, it's just it's not a reality.
And with the transfer portal the way it's set up,
you know, in May it's actually open right now, they
moved to date up. It used to be from May
first to the fourteenth, I believe. Now it's April fifteenth
(20:41):
to the thirtieth, So I mean, guys are putting their
name in the portal now and trying to see what
other opportunities are out there. And then obviously it starts
to get in December through January, so it's it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Interesting to see how this all plays out.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
He's a he's a big name because the manning last name,
and he's at a one of the blue bloods of
college football at the University of Texas, and it might
not be his time this year, but eventually there'll come
a time where he's going to be in that quarterback
battle and we'll see how he competes against a guy
like Malik Murphy who's got, like I said, a ton
of ability. I mean you you talk about a guy
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who again looks to be the part and looks to
be like another first round prospect both viewers, but obviously
Mlig Murphy as well.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I would just I would just add when you have
three guys that that are of elite level status at
one college, and and yes, the sentiment that you're going
to lose at least one, you might lose two. But
the idea of it is is that when you have
that type of talent, you have to you have to
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know and you have to accept as a player sometimes
that that it's the competition that that is going to
make you national champs. Right Like, if if I don't
have anybody that's any good that's behind me, and then
how much better am.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I really going to get?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
If I'm running one hundred meters against somebody, you know,
against my teammates in practice and they can only run
an eleven flat. But we're going to have to get
to the Nines to be able to win a national title.
You know, somebody's got to be pushing each other to
be able to push to those numbers. And so sometimes
I feel like the transfer portal and sometimes even you know,
(22:25):
the popularity of recruits or the pressure on coaches doesn't
really allow for the true development of that elite player,
you know. And then sometimes that whole the brand of
the player, like the Manning brand, is such a bohemoth
brand and to be there that amount of pressure, you
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should be people should be applauding that that there are
guys that are actually standing in and standing up to
the pressure of arch being there and not bowing down
to it, because in the end.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's a lot of pressure to be under when when
knowing that, okay, he chose to come here and this
is who you have to compete against. So in some
instances I hope that these guys except that it's okay
to have two three good elite quarterbacks on a roster.
You may need one more in the in the in
(23:27):
the initial you may need one more outside further out
and take your turn. Like I can recall, you can
recall at all the top programs. I mean, if you
think about like back when Florida State was Florida State,
that was every position and they weren't reloading, right, or
they weren't rebuilding. They were reloading. You think about notre dame.
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They weren't reloaded, or they weren't rebuilding, they were reloading.
It was just somebody was coming in at quarterback, at
running back, at receiver, at linebacker, at d there was
always someone and if somebody got hurt, somebody else popped
in and they blew up because you knew that they.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Were good enough to be starting to begin with.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Like, there's something to be said about having an elite roster.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Like we've gotten so far away.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
From talking about playing your role and waiting your turn
and earning your keep because the transferred portal says that
it's easy to just walk away from a situation, a
circumstance and instead of growing the muscle, y'all talked about
hack squats and all that stuff, instead of really forcing
the muscle to grow because you got to tear and
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rip and build and all those different things. You're not
putting any type of pressure on yourself.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Can I ask you guys a question though, as guys,
who were you know, six star recruits?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You guys weren't even five star, you were six stars.
That's not sure, six in a quarter. In fact, bar
was a five star.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I was a four star. Well, they didn't even have
stars when I was coming. I'm too old eight.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You know, Brady, you're a six star to me.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
There, you got that. I'll take you.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
But log jam at a position. So if you were
arch Manning and you're looking at Texas and you see
Quinn yours is coming back, and there was already a
ton of hype about him and where he was going
to end up going. He had showed a lot of
promis this past year. The game against Oklahoma, he was
fantastic and then you see Malik Murphy he was awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So he got hurt.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
They would they would have beat Bama had he stayed
healthy in that game.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Agreed and Milik Murphy, who's six ' five what two
thirty and was he nineteen years old? So if you're
arch Manning, why would.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You go there?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Why if you wanted to play, why wouldn't you go
somewhere else where? There wasn't a log jam.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think some of the tough thing for Arches he
might want to carve out his own way and at
least in the short term, you know, Texas will be
a part of the SEC they're currently not now. You know,
Eli went to Old Miss Peyton went to Tennessee, and
you kind of had all of that potential for him
to go to another SEC school, But you know, maybe
(25:58):
he just felt like Austin was a better place for
him to grow and develop as an individual. Steve Sarkejian
being there as the head coach could have a lot
to do with it too. There's a number of things,
but I always tell kids, you know, make this them
more than just about football. Make it more than just
about the head coach. The head coach will come and
go even football if things don't work out, you get injured,
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God forbid. You want to have at least a degree
to start building the foundation of what you're going to
be doing moving forward. You know, I was fortunate enough
to go to Notre Dame because I sure as hell
wouldn't have gotten in if I was just a normal
student there. And you surround yourself with so many, so
many incredibly bright, intelligent people. Like one of the things
I'm most jealous of. And I'll say this to another
(26:43):
buddy who played for shoot twelve thirteen, fourteen years whatever
it was, and he's like, man, he's like some of
these guys I talked to, like, I know, they went
through their lumps early after they got done playing and
trying to figure out what they wanted to do, but
now they're on a career path or they're just building
from here. He's like, it's kind of tough as an
apple sometimes where you leave and then you've got to
figure out like what's next. And honestly, like they're earning
(27:05):
potential after you get out of the league, you're probably
never gonna make the same type of money the rest
of your career. And so for a a lot of players,
like they don't realize it. And I think the hard
thing about the transfer portal, just to bring this, you know,
full circle, is you got kids transferring who don't care
about their degree. They don't even care about finishing. They're
just trying to make sure they're eligible and they're trying
(27:25):
to make sure they have a spot to go play
football somewhere.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And that's great.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I'm not trying to deter anyone from their dream or
getting an opportunity to go play and finishing it out.
But when it's all said and done, like you still
have to come back and have a foundation, and you
still have to have a network and the ability to
go provide for yourself and eventually for a family and
all that. And when you keep bouncing around school to school,
or when you truly don't ever sign up and have
(27:49):
any sort of commitment to any school or anyone, it
makes it hard for you to do that once you
get out into the job market. So it's it's hard.
I mean, look, we could go on on and off
about this. I mean, the NCAA just approved unlimited official
and unofficial visits, like now, these kids can go as
much as they want, however many times they want. And
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so for people out there to understand, there's so many
issues with this, the first being the cost associated. So obviously,
you only have so many scholarships a year if you're
a university, and you can finagle that a little bit,
but you know you're gonna be having a bunch of
kids in on official visits that aren't even probably possible
to be there, and it costs the university a good amount.
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I mean, Georgia spent four point six million this year
just for their football recruiting alone. I have no idea
how much they spent in other ways if you're catch
my drill. But that's just four point six million on
the books, So imagine everything else that went into nil
efforts or other recruiting efforts, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Like it's I mean that amongst the fact that like
these staffs and these universities aren't built out to just
have an unlimited amount of visits. I mean, someone possed
in on an unofficial visit all of a sudden, you
got to make sure you're touring this kid around. I mean,
it's so so dumb and short sighted on the side
of the NCAA. I have no idea what they're thinking.
(29:16):
And furthermore, when you're supposed to be a governing body
that oversees all of this, would you think that if
you shouldn't be able to have an unlimited amount because
if a school was cheating, if they were providing improper
benefits and everything else that they should be doing, how
are you going to have this robust department that's going
to be able to check this or are you really
(29:37):
going to ask schools to be accountable when schools who
have been accountable in the past, You've brought down unfair punishment.
I mean, I really thought with the new president when
a Baker I think is his name, the guy who's
the governor of Massachusetts, I really thought, Okay, we might
be headed into better direction. He's got some friends in Congress.
(29:57):
Maybe they'll create some federal legislation. If this is one
of your first moves and they're gonna oversee this. This
is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. Like,
instead of like tightening things up and creating more boundaries
and restrictions, yeah, it's like it's like, oh, yeah, do
whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Visit as much as you want. Someone's gonna pay for it.
We don't know who.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Like, and by the way, don't worry if something wrong happens,
we won't check either, like you will get in trouble
for it.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
It's like, hey, we're gonna make weed legal. And you know,
while we're at it, how about crystal math to do
what you gotta do. Everybody have a good time with it. Yeah,
it's pretty Uh, it's gonna be practiced.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You just compare high school recruiting.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No, I'm just saying, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Really did he really just shoot from the hit man.
Jonahs just will bring this stuff out.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And I'm just you know what I mean, It's like I.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Don't I do there's a correlation between crystal methodiz.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
It's like it's like you'll allow one thing within you
just go way over the top with allowing everything else.
You know, Like that was that was the whole point.
But I'll tell you this, anything's better. I know this,
Anything's better than artificial turf.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Ain't that right?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Lebar? And that's that's a very very great point there,
you make, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
And you know what, my people at Pennington, they wanted
you to know that, you know, artificial turf fields they're
causing up to thirty two percent more non contact knee injuries.
Did you know that American grass sea company Pennington is
on a mission to ban turf fields with their hashtag
flip the Turf movement? All right, So go to Pennington
(31:29):
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and sign the petition for teams to hashtag flip the
turf to real grass.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
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Give me a hell Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (33:11):
After your sports week at happens, So it's time to
get the fsr IR report.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
All right, who's got step right up?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, LeVar, I'm still on IR. I'm like Jahn
Moran and hit Tyler Hero. I don't know that I'll
be able to make it back for the next game.
Uh yeah, I mean it was just it was just
NonStop since uh Thursday evening. Okay, so what Thursday evening
was Cafe to ten. That's the originator of why I
(33:45):
even do Long Islands.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
To begin with. Yeah, shouts out the cafe to ten?
What up to ten? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And then Friday we went to the Federal Tap House.
Federal Tap House ended up becoming the place of choice.
They have some amazing barbecue, well is a barbecue Brussels
sprouts for pretty fired.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Their fruit pretty fire, but.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
But we switched up to tequila and grapefruit juice and
and that ended up being really really like a foggy,
foggy day Friday. Friday was and then Saturday ended up
being Long Islands and then we we knocked down. We
knocked down. And I shouldn't be bragging, because I'm not bragging,
(34:35):
but it's just I'm just giving you a feel for
why I'm so banged up, because I don't really know
how much I contributed, but.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
We we got what does that mean? How much you contributed?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, meaning that that I don't know how much how
many pores of each one of the five bottles that
ended up disappearing When we went to Champs shots out
to Champs Downtown State College, uh and my man DJ
Richter uh Richter had us dancing his music selection.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
His djaying skills are phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It's it's it's like just it's it's he's the best
in the biz. And before we knew it cute, all
the bottles were empty. So I don't know how much
I contributed to those bottles being empty. I just know
that my head right now is still yeah, it's still
banged up, man, Yeah, I mean, I'm banged up a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I'm good, but I'm banged up. Yeah. Yeah, so there
you go there.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
How much water would you bang out? Though?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, I'll tell you know. I keep my water lately
because I've been trying to lose all of this fat.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
So I've been drinking.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
And I managed and I managed to work out twice
while I was there too. I did manage to work out.
I rode the bike, I gotta, I got lifted weights.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Look at you, man, you're trying to new leaf.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm proud of you about that. I'm just I'm just
tired of being this fat ass dude that walks around
looking off flabby and sloppy and having to deal with
like feeling that way.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
So you know, I've been in the gym.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, and I drank a lot of water, not as
probably not as much as I should add because I
didn't have enough room, but I definitely which I should
have made more room for the water than I did
for the alcohol.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
But nonetheless I did drink a lot of water.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, you don't know about my ir story is y? Yes,
I hate to go off on I don't know a
bit of a ramt, but so we had a lot
of rain last week, all right, Wednesday last week it
made national news. I mean it was it was flooding.
There was a lot of flooding. Some people were impacted
by it. Some people are still impacted by it. The
(36:45):
hard thing for me to really digest in all of
this because they canceled school. It's like it's gotten to
the point where we are so cautious with like having
kids go to school. I think it's just it ends
up being a bad metaphor for them moving forward, Like
these kids are tough. If you're not feeling great, don't
(37:06):
go to school. You know, if the weather's a little bad, outsie,
we're not going to school. And it's such a one
to eighty from what school used to be, where you
used to have to go even if you weren't feeling great.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You used to have to understand how to push through
it and get through that day.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Just like so many people listening right now who probably
woke up that don't feel great, that are still at
their job, that are still out there driving around, They're
still doing their thing, Like that's life. And dude, Thursday
and Friday, the weather was so nice, well, we were
able to take our kids out do stuff, you know,
with our kids outside all during the day, and I
kept thinking.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
They should be in school right now.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
It's so frustrating the way as a parent looking at
it now, going like this was never how it used
to be. I don't know how it got to this point.
Obviously there were some people impacted. Well if they're impacted,
like those people can get help and they don't need
to send their kids right Like, that's okay.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Did it change after COVID? Did that set this in motion?
The sort of mentality and.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
This maybe part of that. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I didn't grow up in our area, so it's it's
hard to tell, but it's very, very frustrated. That's my
eye out by our kids being at home again.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you got you got one that
stays at home anyway now, so you're that.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
He just sleeps and eats some poops what kind of
like Jonas kind of like Jonas Young Chop.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
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