April 18, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jalen Hurts gets a huge pay day without any drama and people will probably think differently about Lamar Jackson because of it. Draymond Green stomps on Domantas Sabonis, proving he’s the toughest guy in the softest era of the NBA. And speculation continues to sway at the top of the Draft with Bryce Young back on top.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar aring, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hi, Hi, Hi, Brady, Hi Hey. Todd's mike cover. Yeah,
And every time my mouth accidentally bumps on it, I
get almost cursed on on live radio.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We almost had do we tape or or keep record
of his him singing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's somewhere yehould be a.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Drop for us at some point, kings Leon.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think great voice, man, that Todd's got a great voice.
You can tell. You can tell those pipes have been
conditioned working all those late nights doing karaoke plus and.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You guys can say whatever you want to make fun
of me. But he's he's got a good energy man.
He's got a good positivity about him. It seems like
he'd be a good time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know, I'd be okay with him if he hadn't
used my mic cover. I'm I mean, honestly, I'm out
on Todd. I'm out on and honestly it's it's unfair
for Todd because that was Lee who did it, So
I should be out on Lee. But I can't be
out on Lee because we work together. So I'm out
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on Todd. I'm gonna take take the next best, the
next best thing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I could see you in Todd trig a lot of
LeVar islands with one another.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean, like I said, under the right circumstances, I
think we would have been all good. But I can't
even put my face on my You don't realize how
much you touch your mic cover until you're Yeah, what's
wrong with you? John? What's wrong? There's not No, I'm
just saying, I do you have a mic cover?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Berto?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, No, you don't touch your mic. Do you touch
your mic with your face?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
See, I just got this weird thing where I touched
my face on my my my mic. I don't know.
But now I can't do it. I mean maybe I am.
I don't know. Yeah, I've been doing radio a long time. Berto,
I've had a lot of mics in my face. Todd
ruined it. I mean, Todd ruined it. I'm just saying, yeah,
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I can't even put okay, I don't even feel comfortable
put my face on this coverment.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, it's good though. I think Todd's a trustworthy guy.
I'm with Brady, great energy, good vibes good time.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I agree that that's not an instigation. That's that's
that's you.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Know, they still do American Idol. We Shitning Todd on
American Idol. You know he'd be one of the better
singers on that show.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know what happens when you're really good on that show?
What happens You get paid? Yeah, ends up happening. Yeah,
just end up signing you to extensions.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like five year extensions, two and fifty plus million dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Somebody ain't sitting around waiting, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
How about Jalen Hurts. The Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Markets
agree to a five year deal yesterday worth two hundred
and fifty five million dollars, one hundred and seventy nine
point three million of it guaranteed and includes a no
trade clause, which has never been done in Eagles history.
And a good, I would say, a good moment for
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Jalen Hurts, a guy who's been through obviously getting benched
in a national title game and seeing Tua come in
and win it for him when he was at Alabama.
He's a second round pick, He's got the whole. Carson
Wentz fiasco that they're dealing with early in his career.
They bring in Nick Sirianni and a couple of years
in after a Super Bowl appearance in which he was
the best player on the field, and Jalen Hurts gets
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rewarded with a monster contract all the other you know,
what does this mean for Lamar and those other guys Aside,
it's a feel good moment for Jalen Hurts, who talked
to anybody nothing but good things to say about just
the person he is and a phenomenal player coming off
his best season as a pro.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Good stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
No, I mean, we kind of talked about this after
the Super Bowl. He played phenomenal, he really did. He
was making throw after throw, going to to toe with
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
He looked phenomenal. And he's very deserving.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
The more he plays, the better he gets from college
to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So happy for this young man.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I think he is that bright budding not only star,
but just example to a lot of quarterbacks, a lot
of young men out there who are playing the position.
You know, how to conduct yourself when things don't go
your way. He was a good teammate, you know, conducted
himself the right way at Alabama when he left to go,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Get his opportunity.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
He you know, had his opportunity at Oklahoma, got better
and kept believing in himself even though there was a
lot of doubters out there, and even though he didn't
get that opportunity right away when he got in as
a rookie, he kept working, kept quietly allowing himself to improve.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And and now you see what he's capable of.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
So you know, love the fact that he got paid.
I think he is the guy for the Eagles moving forward.
That goes without saying the deal is interesting when you
talk about how it's going to relate to Lamar Jackson
and you know, Joe Burrow, justin Herbert, other guys whose
contract's gonna come up.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So obviously the signing.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Bonus isn't huge, right, It's a twenty three point two
million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You know, the total guarantees.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
It's kind of something you look at after the fact,
But that one hundred and seventy nine point three million
it lines up with what was I guess in the
ballpark of what was you know, Reportedly, according to Albert Breer,
thrown out there to Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
The guaranteed as signing is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's a five year, twohundred fifty five million dollar deal,
so you get fifty one million per year, which you know, okay, whatever, All.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
That's always fluff.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
That's all for the agents to go in peacock round
to talk about the contract. The guarantee at signing is
the biggest thing. One hundred and ten million. Lamar already
got offered more than that. He admitted himself. He got
a three year, one hundred and thirty three million fully
guaranteed deal. That's one hundred and third and three million
fully guaranteed at signing. So if people are out there
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sitting there thinking, well, Lamar's you get paid more than this, sure,
but he's already been offered something, in my opinion, better
than this. If you could have had a three year
deal it's one hundred and thirty three million fully guaranteed
at signing, he already got offered a chunk or a
piece of that. What that was better than Jalen Hurts
at least in the first three years. So you know,
that's that's the hard thing in breaking this down. We
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still need to see more details of the contract to
have a better idea given the recent scene when this
was you know what was announced. But yeah, how it
will affect him, it should be about in that ballpark
are the same. But I think if you're Lamar Jackson,
Lamar Jackson wanted to sign this deal because he's already
been offered something a little bit better than that, and
it was actually something in a five year structure that
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was similar.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It was one third thirty three eight more eight million
more that one three twenty three million more. Oh at
signing at signing, Yeah, because because Jalen what got one ten?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
One ten yeah, yeah, dang. I'm gonna say this first
and foremost, like, let me speak from a very very commonplace.
Anyone who works themselves into a situation where they can
make ten figures upon signing a piece of paper, you've won. Like,
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let me just start right there. You you have you
have done something that more often than not, you'll be
walking amongst people that won't scrape the surface of what
it is that you've gotten. That's that's playing football, by
the way. Secondly, the interesting thing is is that for
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it to be a five year deal, this is probably
a strong possibility if he's still playing well, and if
his trajectory continues to be on the same path that
it's on right now, that contract gets redone before you
even get the five years. I don't even think they
complete the contract. So with that being said, we can
talk about all the numbers and the fluff that's connected
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to the contract. But if he's playing well, then he's
playing with house money because he's going to play himself
into another contract. They're going to restructure him. What they'll
come to him in like year three, year four and
restructure him because they're not even going to want him
to get to the end of the deal and they'll
be like, well, hell, we're going to give him a
whole lot more money now rather than wait for him
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to get to the end of the deal and could
possibly leverage free agency, or we might have to put
the franchise tag on him and do all that stuff.
We're going to get the deal done with him now.
That's going to be based upon how he's playing. So
to me, it's a win. It's a win, and it
could be debated so many different ways. There's going to
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be so many people that just don't comprehend the magnitude
of what a deal like this in the National Football
League represents. And they're going to dump gasoline on it,
and they're going to continue to light the Lamar Jackson fire.
And with that being said, it's going to be interesting
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to see because I'm not here to say whether Lamar
Jackson is right or wrong. This is all I know.
I made a lot of money playing this game. I
made a lot of money. I did very well. I
feel good about where I'm at with you know what
I have since not playing the game. I didn't come
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close to I didn't come close to ten figures, you
know what I mean? Or nine figures. I didn't. I
didn't come close to nine figures like that, didn't ten figures.
This is ten figures right, my math wrong, A lot
more than I got. I didn't come close to that,
I'll tell you that. And so for what is worth.
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It almost kind of reminds me of the little trail
Spree Weale deal where he was like listen, man, I
got to be able to feed my kids and different
things like that. Da da da is that it was
like one hundred million dollar contract that was on the tail.
I remember that being like a funny discussion, but I
just think here you're talking about someone who's positioning themselves
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in a way to be able to continue to maximize,
you know, by not feeling as though allowing for public
opinion or inner workings of who's around you dictate to
you how you feel about your worth and your value
as a person and as a player and as an employee.
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Which I do think that some of this has gotten
into the way of what's going on with Lamar Jackson.
I think Jalen Hurts keeps his reputation and he's standing.
He continues to build a strong brand. It makes a
more marketable brand. Value is a real thing, and Jalen
Hurts has taken full advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know what's funny about the Lamar Jackson stuff is
and like Albert Breer has mentioned this before that you know,
part of Lamar Jackson's issue is, well, it's about the principle.
And I'm thinking, all right, well, we've seen several quarterbacks
now signed deals after they were in negotiations, Kyler, Murray,
Russell Wilson. Now Jalen Hurts, at what point is it
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no longer about principle? And it's just he's making a mistake,
like he could have had a much better deal, and
whether it's just not having an agent who's who's letting
him know, like, hey, this is a much better deal
than maybe you realize it's not Deshaun Watson. But as
you've now seen, nobody as of right now is getting
close to the two hundred and thirty fully fully guaranteed
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that Deshaun Watson got. I just at some point does
anybody talk to two Lamar Jackson and say, hey, man,
like that was a really great deal that you had.
I don't know if it's still on the table. I
can't imagine whether or not Baltimore would still leave it
on the table or not, or whether they're just fed
up at this point in time. But it just sooner
or later you look at it and go, Lamar, you
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made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think they'll get a really good deal done. It's
not going to be what Lamar wants, but it's going
to be a really it's still going to be a
really good deal. It really is still going to it's
going to come out that it's going to be a
really good deal. But in the end, you get this
really good deal done, and that was the deal that
you were probably going to get and then now you
have all of this this damage that's done publicly, right,
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and there are a lot of people that are going
to continue to love and admire Lamar Jackson and be
a fan of his game, But there are going to
be a lot of people that feel differently about them
after this, And that's just the reality of it. And
more most importantly, the people who are doing the employing
are going to be the ones that kind of like,
is he going to mature from this or what? Like
he didn't handle that one? Well, like, how where's he
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at with this? So, I mean, all money ain't good money, man?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Well, yeah, there's there's somebody to be said for that.
I think it's a few things that you got to
take into account here. For a lot of people who
hear the five years, two hundred and fifty five million,
you're like, oh no, he's taken up all this cap space.
So just in twenty twenty three, it'll be a four
point seven approximately four point eight million dollar cap hit.
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So in the short term, he's not going to be,
you know, hitting the cap in a way that I
think it's going to take away from.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Their ability to return to a Super Bowl. So if
you're an Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Fan, and who knows he maybe could have even gotten
a little more money, right, because what we know is
Lamar Jackson put out there what he was offered. He said,
I got a three year, thirty three million fully guaranteed
at signing, and Albert Breer backed that up when he
spoke with us and even floated out the rest of
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the of the structure of the contract, which actually set
up very similar to this. So you know, from from
the Eagle standpoint, you're good in the short term. You've
got your franchise quarterback. He's not gonna cost a ton
against the cap, at least until we get more details,
but we know in twenty twenty three is not. And
then you look at Lamar and you say, okay, like,
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if you're a Baltimore Ravens fan, all right, our organization
actually offered more guarantee at sign and which to me
is more important because there's no guarantees after that you
can say, well, total guarantees, Yeah, that's only injury only,
you know, and after that it's you know, it's sometimes
hard to prove like you're gonna have an injury that's
gonna keep you from that, And we can go to
the signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I mean the signing bonus of twenty three point zero million.
It's not a very big signing bonus either.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And I'm not detracting from the contract itself. You know,
this is how Howie Rosman and Jeffrey Laurie's structured this
deal with with Jalen Hurts his representation. So there's nothing
wrong with that. But as it compares or relates to
Lamar Jackson, he can offer more guarantee it sign. I'm
sure his signing bonus is bigger than this too, So
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I would say right there in my opinion, looking at
especially considering what LeVar just said, which I one hundred
percent agree with, when you sign a five year deal,
if you're playing the way you're supposed to be playing,
you're never gonna see the end of that. You're gonna
see three years, maybe four of the deal because they're
gonna restructure at some point with you to create cap space,
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or they're going to extend you with a year or
two left on your deal, and that's gonna change the
dynamics of that contract anyway. So as it relates to
Lamar Jackson, I think if you're a Ravens fan, you
should feel good about seeing this offer and going our
organization actually already gave him an offer that was competitive,
if not better than this, yea, and he said no.
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So yeah, for what you said, Jonas, I think at
some point people were gonna start looking at him, going, man,
maybe you should take that contract if it's still on
the table, because otherwise, like maybe you're not getting what
you think you're getting.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And if you talk about another bite at the app
if he took the three year, one hundred and thirty
three million dollars guaranteed, how old would he be when
when you get to the time that they're talking contract
extension on that was twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Twenty four years, Yeah, which isn't very.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Much twenty seven twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Years, especially not for four he'd he'd be twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like, so he would be getting twenty six now at
least a couple of another bites at the apple.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Before his career is over. You'd have to assume at
least one more premium bite, one more nice bite out
of it. So in the end you would win anyway,
and he's probably going to win. And there's nothing better
than a redemption story. So he's he's going to win
in the end. It's gonna it's gonna work out for him.
It just sucks that you we have to be here
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because there's like, you know, the sensibility of it all
isn't playing out the way that probably should be.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yeah, it's the fact though, it's like there's no drama.
He just signs an extension, does his deal. They move
forward like there's a team, this organization that you know
how to get it done. Hurts probably might be sitting
back to watching the Lamar Jackson situation, going, I'm not
going to be a distraction that that keeps us like
one hundred and ten million guarantee and signing twenty three
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point two million right now?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Come good enough for me, man, Like let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, as soon as I signed that paper, all that
paper is going into my bank account. Come on, man, man,
good for him. That's more than I made my entire career,
like entire career, same like easily like easily, which I
was signing big. I was signed up a big contract too. Yeah,
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it's more than us put together. How about that? And
listen double Yeah, I made a ton of money, but we.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Haven't tapped into Jonas's hit that that foot account he's
going to go.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's not it's there's like a thing for only fans,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Or the Boss Hall go fundme. That's doing really well.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The Rex Ryan Federal Reserve is where I stir all
that money. Yes, that is correct.
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Speaker 2 (18:20):
So stop me if you've heard this before. Draymond Green
is in a little bit of hot water for an
incident that took place in an NBA playoff game. No, yeah,
I believe it or no, Yeah, believe it or not.
That's he stomped on Demonte Sabonis last night, which, by
the way, that was a fun game. And the sacrament
Williams are a lot of fun. And the Golden State
Warriors continue to be dreadful on the road this season
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for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Boy Brown knows this team though, Yeah, he knows this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Team very well. It's a good coach.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, so he's got a great game play.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So you know, Draymond got ejected. He got a flagrant
two for stomping on Sibonas.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
What was he thinking in the middle of everyone? That
wasn't you're working to get away with that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Do you want to hear his explanation for it? Yeah,
So here's Draymond Green trying to explain what the hell
happened during the stomper around the world.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
What was the explanation that they give I know they
gave him a technical then obviously you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
The explanation was I stumped too hard and can you
just walk us through what happened there?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My leg I grabbed second time in two nights.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Referees, just watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I gotta land my foot somewhere, and I'm not the
most flexible person, so it's not stretching that.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Far, so you didn't really see where you were stepping.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I can only step so far pulling my leg away. So,
I mean, I hate to say it, but there's some
sensibility in what he's saying. He just he didn't need
to stomp to dude.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, Like the way he went about doing it, it
was like, okay, that's like you had to have.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Notic as soon as you've done that.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You're in the middle of the court like it's going
to be seeing you're out, like you're gone, and I
think gone.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For like the first half of the second game, or
or is he out for this next game? When you
get ejected, don't you have to miss the next game? No,
that's just that's the pros. I mean, NFL college ollege
you missing half? Okay, Yeah, I was mixing like my
sports up. It's it shouldn't have happened. And I mean
that's vintage Draymond being Draymond.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I mean is he too old for this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But was Dennis Rodman too old for it? Like Dennis
Rodman came in the same way, he went out even worse.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You wouldn't you think.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Know, the older you get, the more crafty you get
with stuff like this, you gotta start.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I just think pushes that that envelope. He pushes the
line further and further out, Like people say, like Draymond
gets away with talking to referees in a way that
nobody else gets to talk to him because that's how
he always talks to him that way. I mean, this
is one of those things. It's like, all right, when
you look at it, you're going to see that the
dude is grabbing his leg like he is getting grabbed.
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But the bottom line is is that doesn't give you
free will. Like yep, here we go, he's grabbing my
leg again. I bet we won't grab it again after this.
Like you played the wrong sport. And look you tried
to take that tough man act to the football field.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
That that's didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Work there, Like you brought your ass right on off
of that grid man and you went right on back
to the horror. Yeah, he tried to play. Look looking
like some trash out there, a tight end. Oh man,
oh come on man. Draymond Green played in Michigan State.
He he was like he went out for the team.
I got to see this. Hey look here, man, look here.
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All I'm saying is, you know, he's a he's a
He is an established tough guy in the league and
it has worked for his role with with this team
in a league.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And probably its softest period of time.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Period difference.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
That's the difference when you talk about Draymond and what
he's done or you know all this and said, oh
he's thirty three, is he's too old for it? It's like, well,
when Rodman was doing it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
It wasn't a.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Time and era in the league where you kind of
had to like it was so I mean with the
handscheck you got defensivell was the elbows and everything else.
I mean, they had a Jordan rule in effect for
a reason, where like dude would just literally lay him
out when he went to the rack. I just you
could understand it a bit from Robin standpoint then because
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it just happened all the time. Now it's it's like,
all right, man, this isn't as physical as it used
to be.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yet we've still got these sort.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Of antics and you're down oh one, you know you're
in a dogfight of a game.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The team needs you. I mean, he's had a ton
of success. He's been a part of what four championships. Yeah,
I mean, no one's gonna take that away from him.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
And obviously he plays, you know, a variety of roles
for Golden State. I just I hate seeing it because
of the impact that it has on their team. But
now down oh two, it's the first time a Steve
Kerr coach Golden State Warriors has ever been.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Down oh two.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's crazy, by the way.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's nuts, but it's that's where they're at and I think,
you know, him being you know, not being a part
of it in that second half is that plays a role.
So I hate seeing it from that standpoint because in
this league, in this era.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, I'm sorry, man like that.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
The toughest guy in this era of the NPA is
that's not saying much.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
But what basketball man?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You mentioned his age? How old do you think Harrison
Barnes is? You guys had to guess.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
He's been around a while long time, like thirty fast
six thirty six?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, yeah, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Oh yeah, see these guys be coming and so ear
hooks old.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Though I know you have forty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's what I'm watching it last time. I'm thinking, man,
Harrison Barnes is still starting in a playoff game and
it's he's thirty years old?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Old on are you trying to call me out?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh yeah, no, said he looks old. No, no, no,
I was totally went on a wild tangent there. I'm sorry,
he was distracted. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, I thought he was trying he was trying
to hit the button.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, I was back in studio and I wish I
would have been with you guys. I would have thought
mid thirties, and he's thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I would have thought made thirty.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He's it seems like he's like he's mad. Yeah he does.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm sorry I didn't hear you because I was so
busy telling Berto to look at the program that he
had put on television. While he does look older, that
he does look older.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, so so congratulations of Harrison Barnes, the oldest thirty
year old in the history of the universe. Well stupid
next to Greg Odin.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, nobody's gonna get greg.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Greg was in college and people were like, man, people
wrote history books about where is.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Your birth certificate? My guy?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah, Like, I'm pretty sure I saw you in my
history book.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you think Greg Odin ever got carted in his life?
Like ever? Like going to my beer?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I could probably find this out.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
At like ten years old, ten years ten years old
walking into the club.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
His eleventh birthday party, walked into a liquor store. They're like, house,
we got Greg in the house.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He's ten.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
What about my tab?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He played eighteen and all play eighteen and over basketball
coming in the club's damn but he he'd he'd be
getting those mixers.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
That would completely get a hot you know he'd be
getting all the mixes that didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Wait, it's good a Shirley Temple on the rocks. How
are you like? Great? I'm gonna get a white Russian
chocolate milk style. You know, Greg, Greg, you're in your forties.
Why are you getting mad Dog twenty twenty? It doesn't
make any sense. Yeah, he allowed box that. He's putting
it a little of vodka.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like a pop Popop an Ecto cooler.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I have this cooler sun kiss please you guys ever
had Suddy d That's how he does his mabosas?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Right, whatever horseshoe, I've never heard of that drink.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's not on our list.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
What alcohol is in it?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
There is no alcohol in it.
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Speaker 4 (26:43):
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Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah. So we do have some updates near the top
of the NFL Draft and by near the top of
me and right at the top. So Bryce Young is
an overwhelming favorite to go number one overall now and
apparently he has stopped visiting with teams. Uh, He's called
off all visits. And so it appears, based on the
betting odds and the way this stuff has moved over
(27:08):
the past several days, that Bryce Young is going to
be the number one overall pick to the Carolina Panthers.
And again it brings me back to the point when
LeVar Arrington came on the air and was steadfast with
c J. Stroud's going to be the guy at number one.
I like trying to trying to tell that far don't Var.
I mean, you got to be ashamed of yourself that
(27:29):
you would give out that bad betting advice.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
LeVar like the.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Drop of you're giving out bad betting advice.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Jonas, Yeah, look I took the bait that was not so.
So they're negotiating the contract, is that What this means
that they're already having conversations about Bryce Shung and Carolina.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Noah would outwardly say that there's nothing that technically would
stop the number one team from doing so. People may
find this to be interesting or maybe they didn't know this.
When you have the number one overall pick, you could
start negotiating out if you want. The problem is the
NFL wouldn't be happy with you. You know, they want
to create the drama. They want to create intrigue and
(28:07):
have everyone tune in. And if you already lost one
of your thirty two picks, so he got thirty one
in the first round for Thursday night, and if the
other one everyone knows, no one's going to tune in
right away because they're like, what's the point I know
who's going number one? But the Panthers could be you know,
putting into motion in those contract negotiations. Hell with Joe
(28:28):
Burners and Daddy Bengals, they were feed him the playbook
the whole time he was interviewing, meeting with them. It
was their playbook. They're preparing him to get ready for
OTAs MIDI, caamp and everything else we'd walk in as
a rookie. So it's that's probably what's going on if
they have indeed decided he is the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
However, it is a couple weeks still.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Usually the week of the draft is where you get,
you know, the legitimate information that's not smoke screens like that.
Stuff starts to find its way out, and in large
part to to whether it be you know, front office
changes that happened or scouting changes that start to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Some stuff starts to leak. But it's still a little
early to buy into everything, so you know, you probably
want to wait till next week.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
But it looks like Bryce Young is going to be
the guy, and I don't you don't think there's there's
there's no reason to be surprised by that, because he's
got the best film, in my opinion, of all these
quarterbacks when you look at him, and.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
That won't change from here, Like where we're at now,
who's ever projecting to be in that number one spot?
That that it's it's unlikely that it'll change at this point.
So I mean and looking at looking at Bryce Young
and and how he again was able to galvanize the
(29:47):
brass of the Carolina Panthers with the way he interviewed
with them and met with them, it just it makes sense.
It just makes sense for him to be the guy
because he just his his pedigree and and and what
what he's come from, what what he's been able to accomplish,
and what he's what he's done, you know, what he's
(30:08):
what he's shown as his skill sets. It just it
to me he probably is the one quarterback that gives
your team the ability to start start him. He's probably
he's he's NFL. He's pro ready, pro ready type of quarterback.
And if he's not as pro ready as you would think,
(30:28):
he does come across as he does have the mental
fortitude and aptitude to actually be able to get up
to speed quick enough to be that guy. And that's
that's that's super important to a to an organization that
is looking to find leadership at such an important position.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, but I thought that he wasn't big enough to
be in Frank Reike's offense, like that Frank reback prototype
of a quarterback that he wanted, and Bryce Young would
not be the type to fit that prototype. But when
it comes to the number two pick, this is where
things get interesting. So Nick Casario, the Texans GM, he
said obviously that they're open to business at number two.
(31:08):
He also said some other things about his future. We're
going to get to coming up here in just a
couple of moments. But this is where things have gotten
interesting with the number two pick, because c J. Stroud
presumably would be the guy to go number two. The
Texans need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Stroud sitting there. Everybody identifies c J. Stroud and Bryce
Hung through this whole process as being the top two
quarterbacks in the draft. Well, according to DraftKings, speaking of
the betting odds, Will Anderson, Will Levis, and Tyree Wilson
are all favored to go ahead of c J. Stroud
at number two. So what the hell happened with CJ.
(31:45):
Stroud being the lock to go number two to the
Houston Texans. I thought Houston was just full of crap
that they weren't going to go in another direction other
than quarterback. But apparently the way momentum is building, it
looks like that's a real possible ability at this point
in time.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Again, can't read too much in anything right now as
it currently stands. If people are wondering, Okay, how could
a guy possibly possibly be dropping at this point, well,
there's there's a number of reasons for it.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
You know, it could be in his interviews.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
For example, the S two test, which is a test
that tests your your processing ability as a quarterback, or
even some you know, some of the players who will
take it.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Maybe he's not testing as well as some of the
other guys he's going up against that. That could be
one of the measurements or the data points you look
at and say it isn't stack up quite as well.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
If you look at him on tape, I think he's
the most accurate quarterback in this class. But when he's
under duress, when he gets pressure, his numbers drop significantly. Now,
the exception to that would have been the Georgia game
this year, But you have to ask yourself, Okay, he
could do it, but why was it only once where
you really saw that sort of performance and where you
go back, you go you know how much of it
(32:59):
was him versus Ryan Day, who's been a great play
caller over.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
The course of his time in Ohio State as an
OC but also as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
The ridiculous talented wide receivers they've had from you know,
Garrett Wilson and Chris o'lave this past year with Marvin
Harrison Junior and Jackson Smith.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And Jigbu a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
You know, does that detract away from his ability as
a passer because those guys make plays, they're wide open,
all those things, so all.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That adds up, you know.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
And I said to you before, it's it's it hurts
too when you upset football royalty.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
And he wasn't a part of the Manning Passing Academy.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
The rumor I heard was that he had committed and
then backed out right before, which is a bad look
and a lot of people won't put much weight in that.
But you're talking about again, like football Royalty, that is
the Mannings. So if you've got some other things that
people are maybe questioning, and you're not interviewing as well,
and maybe you're not testing as well on some of
the things that they're asked to do, and you could
(33:59):
buy it a way with that. Yeah, then maybe maybe
starts to concern some teams and they say, Okay, we
see what he's capable of, but you know, is that
are we willing to take him over another player we
feel really good about coming in and being a day
one starter, where maybe we're not so sure about him
right now. But look, I still think he's the number
two quarterback in this draft class based on the film,
(34:20):
based on his accuracy that wins at the next level.
He's a sharp young man, you know, the whole Manning
thing and all that. I don't know really what to
think of that. I think it looks bad, but the
truth of the matter is all my interactions ever being
around the kid, he's a great young man. So I
think that he should be taking number two overall. If
Houston doesn't take him at number two. They're saying this
(34:42):
now because they want to trade partner. They want someone
to come up and take him so they can trade
out of that spot because they either have another quarterback
they feel higher on that. They don't want to let
people know or they feel like one of these guys
are going to drop to them with their second first
round pick, which is a risk, but that might be
one that Nick Cassario is willing to take considering.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You know, maybe he feels like he's not going to
be there that much longer.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I know Q hates this, but you still have to
throw into consideration. Quarterbacks out of both Alabama and Ohio
State have not translated well into the league. I just wonder,
like how much how much trepidation.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I think the only thing I'd push back on with
that is that what schools are you saying have I.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Mean, I don't. I would have to look and see.
I don't. I just know what I do know is
it hasn't been Alabama. And if I think about the quarterbacks,
I don't. I don't. Baker Mayfield didn't translate. Who Kyler
Murray somewhat kind of sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is Jalen Hurts and Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I mean he spent more time at Bama.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, but he finished at Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
The odd thing about that is he went to he
went to Bama. He played more Obama when I sec
championship at Obama. But Mac Jones, a starter from Bama
to a time I low to start from Bama. I
mean you start going to the starters. Yeah, they're starters,
but have they translated? Have they had the level of
success where you would say that this is you know,
(36:17):
I don't think that has anything to do with what
they were in college, right, I think that has a
lot to do with what what situation they get thrown into.
I mean we've looked at multiple now top three picks
with the Jets just get showed up and spit out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Also, doesn't it feel like Ohio State and Alabama like
their recent quarterback success is different from their quarterbacks they
had in the past. Craig Crenzel to Justin Fields and
c J. Stroud is prospects. Yeah, sure, I mean the
other guys are first round prospects. Crenswell obviously, wasn't that
A J mcceren to Jalen Hurts or Tua or Bryce
(36:57):
Young is night and day as far.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, But then you think about guys like Terrell Pryor,
who was supposed to be like a can't miss prospect,
great tattoos, I mean, great body, like a Cam Newton
type of built, freakish athleticism. I mean didn't translate, well
he moved to wide receiver, yeah, because he didn't translate
the quarterback well.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, But that's like a bigger question of college football.
I don't think it has anything to do again with
the schools they come from.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I think they're they're drafted where they're drafted because they're
probably prepared for that.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But it's like certain positions you go to certain places,
like you know, I know we'll say Notre Dame, but
you know, Penn State has had a really good run
of tight ends coming out of Penn State. You'll go
to Penn State to get tight ends because you just
know you're going to get a player that can contribute
from Penn State that's at that position. I think that
(37:50):
there are Again, if I'm thinking just that one hits
me off the top of my head, I don't know.
I would not be able to say, off the top
of my head, what schools have had quarterbacks that just
translate to being great pros? You know, our quarterback, I don't.
I don't know that, but I just I do know
that that has always been Again when I go to
(38:11):
that point, it's always been a point that's referenced like
pundit's reference the fact that these are two schools that
have not had a quarterback that has basically, I mean,
what transcended to being a franchise quarterback. I mean, how
do you view pro I mean, he's I view him
as an LSU Tiger though, okay, I don't view him
(38:33):
as a state man.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I mean, I get it, I get it. I don't know.
I don't look at he didn't get drafted out of
Ohio State. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
There's there's some Okay, But then do you say LSU
prepares their quarterbacks because who before him?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That's what I say.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
But that's what I'm saying. It's like you're making a
blanket statement, and it's.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
More of, well, it wasn't a blanket bay. It was
more geared towards it was focused on Ohio State and Bama.
Yeah yeah. And then what I'm saying is, you know
they don't I mean, I mean, you just.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Got instead of starting quarterbacks with those guys from those
schools by distease.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
The general the general point is more of does the
college game prepare for the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And the the answer is it can be no, it
can be yes.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
If you get a guy like Mike McDaniel, for example,
who comes in and puts in an offense that plays
the strengths of Toua and they, you know, they provide
him with more talent around him to let him be successful,
and so then you see more of what the TUA
tongue of Lowe you saw Alabama was in Miami, whereas
compared to Brian Flores with chan Gaily, not the same deal, right,
(39:45):
an order, offensive minded coach who wanted to run a
system that he knows and he brings in Ryan Fitzpatrick
to run it because Ryan Fitzpatrick him in had you know,
previous success together and he knows the system and it's
not it's not catered to towards what TUA does well
or what his strengths are. So you know, yeah, if
you want to, if you want to make it about that,
(40:07):
that's a fair argument. It's no different than me trying
to put put a three four outside linebackers as a
four to three d N You'd sit there and say, well,
you're playing out a position. Yeah, And you can make
the same thing about quarterbacks putting them in a bad system,
which which I think now, at least in today's game,
more offensive systems are willing to work with the quarterback
(40:27):
skill set and not say, hey, this is our system,
this is what we run, this is what you have
to adapt to, because they know that's not a winning battle.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I just wanted to show our listening audience how smart
you are. And that's all. That's the only reason why
I raised this point. You know, turn to me or
Brady or Brady. Oh you too, thanks man, your next segment, nextment.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Next segment. By the way, I will gladly take CJ.
Stroud plus three fifty to go number two. That feels
like a small investment. Yeah, it feels like the one
I'm going to go with.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hi, Hi, Hi, Brady, Hi Hey. Todd's mike cover. Yeah,
And every time my mouth accidentally bumps on it, I
get almost cursed on on live radio.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We almost had do we tape or or keep record
of his him singing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's somewhere yehould be a.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Drop for us at some point, kings Leon.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think great voice, man, that Todd's got a great voice.
You can tell. You can tell those pipes have been
conditioned working all those late nights doing karaoke plus and.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You guys can say whatever you want to make fun
of me. But he's he's got a good energy man.
He's got a good positivity about him. It seems like
he'd be a good time.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know, I'd be okay with him if he hadn't
used my mic cover. I'm I mean, honestly, I'm out
on Todd. I'm out on and honestly it's it's unfair
for Todd because that was Lee who did it, So
I should be out on Lee. But I can't be
out on Lee because we work together. So I'm out
(01:16):
on Todd. I'm gonna take take the next best, the
next best thing.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I could see you in Todd trig a lot of
LeVar islands with one another.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean, like I said, under the right circumstances, I
think we would have been all good. But I can't
even put my face on my You don't realize how
much you touch your mic cover until you're Yeah, what's
wrong with you? John? What's wrong? There's not No, I'm
just saying, I do you have a mic cover?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Berto?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, No, you don't touch your mic. Do you touch
your mic with your face?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
See, I just got this weird thing where I touched
my face on my my my mic. I don't know.
But now I can't do it. I mean maybe I am.
I don't know. Yeah, I've been doing radio a long time. Berto,
I've had a lot of mics in my face. Todd
ruined it. I mean, Todd ruined it. I'm just saying, yeah,
(02:13):
I can't even put okay, I don't even feel comfortable
put my face on this coverment.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, it's good though. I think Todd's a trustworthy guy.
I'm with Brady, great energy, good vibes good time.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I agree that that's not an instigation. That's that's
that's you.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Know, they still do American Idol. We Shitning Todd on
American Idol. You know he'd be one of the better
singers on that show.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You know what happens when you're really good on that show?
What happens You get paid? Yeah, ends up happening. Yeah,
just end up signing you to extensions.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like five year extensions, two and fifty plus million dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Somebody ain't sitting around waiting, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
How about Jalen Hurts. The Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Markets
agree to a five year deal yesterday worth two hundred
and fifty five million dollars, one hundred and seventy nine
point three million of it guaranteed and includes a no
trade clause, which has never been done in Eagles history.
And a good, I would say, a good moment for
(03:12):
Jalen Hurts, a guy who's been through obviously getting benched
in a national title game and seeing Tua come in
and win it for him when he was at Alabama.
He's a second round pick, He's got the whole. Carson
Wentz fiasco that they're dealing with early in his career.
They bring in Nick Sirianni and a couple of years
in after a Super Bowl appearance in which he was
the best player on the field, and Jalen Hurts gets
(03:34):
rewarded with a monster contract all the other you know,
what does this mean for Lamar and those other guys Aside,
it's a feel good moment for Jalen Hurts, who talked
to anybody nothing but good things to say about just
the person he is and a phenomenal player coming off
his best season as a pro.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Good stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
No, I mean, we kind of talked about this after
the Super Bowl. He played phenomenal, he really did. He
was making throw after throw, going to to toe with
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
He looked phenomenal. And he's very deserving.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
The more he plays, the better he gets from college
to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
So happy for this young man.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I think he is that bright budding not only star,
but just example to a lot of quarterbacks, a lot
of young men out there who are playing the position.
You know, how to conduct yourself when things don't go
your way. He was a good teammate, you know, conducted
himself the right way at Alabama when he left to go,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Get his opportunity.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
He you know, had his opportunity at Oklahoma, got better
and kept believing in himself even though there was a
lot of doubters out there, and even though he didn't
get that opportunity right away when he got in as
a rookie, he kept working, kept quietly allowing himself to improve.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
And and now you see what he's capable of.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
So you know, love the fact that he got paid.
I think he is the guy for the Eagles moving forward.
That goes without saying the deal is interesting when you
talk about how it's going to relate to Lamar Jackson
and you know, Joe Burrow, justin Herbert, other guys whose
contract's gonna come up.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So obviously the signing.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Bonus isn't huge, right, It's a twenty three point two
million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You know, the total guarantees.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
It's kind of something you look at after the fact,
But that one hundred and seventy nine point three million
it lines up with what was I guess in the
ballpark of what was you know, Reportedly, according to Albert Breer,
thrown out there to Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
The guaranteed as signing is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It's a five year, twohundred fifty five million dollar deal,
so you get fifty one million per year, which you know, okay, whatever, All.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
That's always fluff.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
That's all for the agents to go in peacock round
to talk about the contract. The guarantee at signing is
the biggest thing. One hundred and ten million. Lamar already
got offered more than that. He admitted himself. He got
a three year, one hundred and thirty three million fully
guaranteed deal. That's one hundred and third and three million
fully guaranteed at signing. So if people are out there
(06:10):
sitting there thinking, well, Lamar's you get paid more than this, sure,
but he's already been offered something, in my opinion, better
than this. If you could have had a three year
deal it's one hundred and thirty three million fully guaranteed
at signing, he already got offered a chunk or a
piece of that. What that was better than Jalen Hurts
at least in the first three years. So you know,
that's that's the hard thing in breaking this down. We
(06:31):
still need to see more details of the contract to
have a better idea given the recent scene when this
was you know what was announced. But yeah, how it
will affect him, it should be about in that ballpark
are the same. But I think if you're Lamar Jackson,
Lamar Jackson wanted to sign this deal because he's already
been offered something a little bit better than that, and
it was actually something in a five year structure that
(06:53):
was similar.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It was one third thirty three eight more eight million
more that one three twenty three million more. Oh at
signing at signing, Yeah, because because Jalen what got one ten?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
One ten yeah, yeah, dang. I'm gonna say this first
and foremost, like, let me speak from a very very commonplace.
Anyone who works themselves into a situation where they can
make ten figures upon signing a piece of paper, you've won. Like,
(07:33):
let me just start right there. You you have you
have done something that more often than not, you'll be
walking amongst people that won't scrape the surface of what
it is that you've gotten. That's that's playing football, by
the way. Secondly, the interesting thing is is that for
(07:56):
it to be a five year deal, this is probably
a strong possibility if he's still playing well, and if
his trajectory continues to be on the same path that
it's on right now, that contract gets redone before you
even get the five years. I don't even think they
complete the contract. So with that being said, we can
talk about all the numbers and the fluff that's connected
(08:19):
to the contract. But if he's playing well, then he's
playing with house money because he's going to play himself
into another contract. They're going to restructure him. What they'll
come to him in like year three, year four and
restructure him because they're not even going to want him
to get to the end of the deal and they'll
be like, well, hell, we're going to give him a
whole lot more money now rather than wait for him
(08:42):
to get to the end of the deal and could
possibly leverage free agency, or we might have to put
the franchise tag on him and do all that stuff.
We're going to get the deal done with him now.
That's going to be based upon how he's playing. So
to me, it's a win. It's a win, and it
could be debated so many different ways. There's going to
(09:03):
be so many people that just don't comprehend the magnitude
of what a deal like this in the National Football
League represents. And they're going to dump gasoline on it,
and they're going to continue to light the Lamar Jackson fire.
And with that being said, it's going to be interesting
(09:24):
to see because I'm not here to say whether Lamar
Jackson is right or wrong. This is all I know.
I made a lot of money playing this game. I
made a lot of money. I did very well. I
feel good about where I'm at with you know what
I have since not playing the game. I didn't come
(09:45):
close to I didn't come close to ten figures, you
know what I mean? Or nine figures. I didn't. I
didn't come close to nine figures like that, didn't ten figures.
This is ten figures right, my math wrong, A lot
more than I got. I didn't come close to that,
I'll tell you that. And so for what is worth.
(10:06):
It almost kind of reminds me of the little trail
Spree Weale deal where he was like listen, man, I
got to be able to feed my kids and different
things like that. Da da da is that it was
like one hundred million dollar contract that was on the tail.
I remember that being like a funny discussion, but I
just think here you're talking about someone who's positioning themselves
(10:27):
in a way to be able to continue to maximize,
you know, by not feeling as though allowing for public
opinion or inner workings of who's around you dictate to
you how you feel about your worth and your value
as a person and as a player and as an employee.
(10:50):
Which I do think that some of this has gotten
into the way of what's going on with Lamar Jackson.
I think Jalen Hurts keeps his reputation and he's standing.
He continues to build a strong brand. It makes a
more marketable brand. Value is a real thing, and Jalen
Hurts has taken full advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know what's funny about the Lamar Jackson stuff is
and like Albert Breer has mentioned this before that you know,
part of Lamar Jackson's issue is, well, it's about the principle.
And I'm thinking, all right, well, we've seen several quarterbacks
now signed deals after they were in negotiations, Kyler, Murray,
Russell Wilson. Now Jalen Hurts, at what point is it
(11:34):
no longer about principle? And it's just he's making a mistake,
like he could have had a much better deal, and
whether it's just not having an agent who's who's letting
him know, like, hey, this is a much better deal
than maybe you realize it's not Deshaun Watson. But as
you've now seen, nobody as of right now is getting
close to the two hundred and thirty fully fully guaranteed
(11:54):
that Deshaun Watson got. I just at some point does
anybody talk to two Lamar Jackson and say, hey, man,
like that was a really great deal that you had.
I don't know if it's still on the table. I
can't imagine whether or not Baltimore would still leave it
on the table or not, or whether they're just fed
up at this point in time. But it just sooner
or later you look at it and go, Lamar, you
(12:16):
made a mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think they'll get a really good deal done. It's
not going to be what Lamar wants, but it's going
to be a really it's still going to be a
really good deal. It really is still going to it's
going to come out that it's going to be a
really good deal. But in the end, you get this
really good deal done, and that was the deal that
you were probably going to get and then now you
have all of this this damage that's done publicly, right,
(12:39):
and there are a lot of people that are going
to continue to love and admire Lamar Jackson and be
a fan of his game, But there are going to
be a lot of people that feel differently about them
after this, And that's just the reality of it. And
more most importantly, the people who are doing the employing
are going to be the ones that kind of like,
is he going to mature from this or what? Like
he didn't handle that one? Well, like, how where's he
(13:01):
at with this? So, I mean, all money ain't good money, man?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Well, yeah, there's there's somebody to be said for that.
I think it's a few things that you got to
take into account here. For a lot of people who
hear the five years, two hundred and fifty five million,
you're like, oh no, he's taken up all this cap space.
So just in twenty twenty three, it'll be a four
point seven approximately four point eight million dollar cap hit.
(13:26):
So in the short term, he's not going to be,
you know, hitting the cap in a way that I
think it's going to take away from.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Their ability to return to a Super Bowl. So if
you're an Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Fan, and who knows he maybe could have even gotten
a little more money, right, because what we know is
Lamar Jackson put out there what he was offered. He said,
I got a three year, thirty three million fully guaranteed
at signing, and Albert Breer backed that up when he
spoke with us and even floated out the rest of
(13:56):
the of the structure of the contract, which actually set
up very similar to this. So you know, from from
the Eagle standpoint, you're good in the short term. You've
got your franchise quarterback. He's not gonna cost a ton
against the cap, at least until we get more details,
but we know in twenty twenty three is not. And
then you look at Lamar and you say, okay, like,
(14:17):
if you're a Baltimore Ravens fan, all right, our organization
actually offered more guarantee at sign and which to me
is more important because there's no guarantees after that you
can say, well, total guarantees, Yeah, that's only injury only,
you know, and after that it's you know, it's sometimes
hard to prove like you're gonna have an injury that's
gonna keep you from that, And we can go to
the signing bonus.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I mean the signing bonus of twenty three point zero million.
It's not a very big signing bonus either.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And I'm not detracting from the contract itself. You know,
this is how Howie Rosman and Jeffrey Laurie's structured this
deal with with Jalen Hurts his representation. So there's nothing
wrong with that. But as it compares or relates to
Lamar Jackson, he can offer more guarantee it sign. I'm
sure his signing bonus is bigger than this too, So
(15:04):
I would say right there in my opinion, looking at
especially considering what LeVar just said, which I one hundred
percent agree with, when you sign a five year deal,
if you're playing the way you're supposed to be playing,
you're never gonna see the end of that. You're gonna
see three years, maybe four of the deal because they're
gonna restructure at some point with you to create cap space,
(15:24):
or they're going to extend you with a year or
two left on your deal, and that's gonna change the
dynamics of that contract anyway. So as it relates to
Lamar Jackson, I think if you're a Ravens fan, you
should feel good about seeing this offer and going our
organization actually already gave him an offer that was competitive,
if not better than this, yea, and he said no.
(15:46):
So yeah, for what you said, Jonas, I think at
some point people were gonna start looking at him, going, man,
maybe you should take that contract if it's still on
the table, because otherwise, like maybe you're not getting what
you think you're getting.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And if you talk about another bite at the app
if he took the three year, one hundred and thirty
three million dollars guaranteed, how old would he be when
when you get to the time that they're talking contract
extension on that was twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Twenty four years, Yeah, which isn't very.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Much twenty seven twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Years, especially not for four he'd he'd be twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Like, so he would be getting twenty six now at
least a couple of another bites at the apple.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Before his career is over. You'd have to assume at
least one more premium bite, one more nice bite out
of it. So in the end you would win anyway,
and he's probably going to win. And there's nothing better
than a redemption story. So he's he's going to win
in the end. It's gonna it's gonna work out for him.
It just sucks that you we have to be here
(16:41):
because there's like, you know, the sensibility of it all
isn't playing out the way that probably should be.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Yeah, it's the fact though, it's like there's no drama.
He just signs an extension, does his deal. They move
forward like there's a team, this organization that you know
how to get it done. Hurts probably might be sitting
back to watching the Lamar Jackson situation, going, I'm not
going to be a distraction that that keeps us like
one hundred and ten million guarantee and signing twenty three
(17:09):
point two million right now?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Come good enough for me, man, Like let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, as soon as I signed that paper, all that
paper is going into my bank account. Come on, man, man,
good for him. That's more than I made my entire career,
like entire career, same like easily like easily, which I
was signing big. I was signed up a big contract too. Yeah,
(17:37):
it's more than us put together. How about that? And
listen double Yeah, I made a ton of money, but we.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Haven't tapped into Jonas's hit that that foot account he's
going to go.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It's not it's there's like a thing for only fans,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Or the Boss Hall go fundme. That's doing really well.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The Rex Ryan Federal Reserve is where I stir all
that money. Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 2 (18:20):
So stop me if you've heard this before. Draymond Green
is in a little bit of hot water for an
incident that took place in an NBA playoff game. No, yeah,
I believe it or no, Yeah, believe it or not.
That's he stomped on Demonte Sabonis last night, which, by
the way, that was a fun game. And the sacrament
Williams are a lot of fun. And the Golden State
Warriors continue to be dreadful on the road this season
(18:42):
for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Boy Brown knows this team though, Yeah, he knows this.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Team very well. It's a good coach.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, so he's got a great game play.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So you know, Draymond got ejected. He got a flagrant
two for stomping on Sibonas.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
What was he thinking in the middle of everyone? That
wasn't you're working to get away with that?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Do you want to hear his explanation for it? Yeah,
So here's Draymond Green trying to explain what the hell
happened during the stomper around the world.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
What was the explanation that they give I know they
gave him a technical then obviously you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
The explanation was I stumped too hard and can you
just walk us through what happened there?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My leg I grabbed second time in two nights.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Referees, just watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I gotta land my foot somewhere, and I'm not the
most flexible person, so it's not stretching that.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Far, so you didn't really see where you were stepping.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I can only step so far pulling my leg away. So,
I mean, I hate to say it, but there's some
sensibility in what he's saying. He just he didn't need
to stomp to dude.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, Like the way he went about doing it, it
was like, okay, that's like you had to have.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Notic as soon as you've done that.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You're in the middle of the court like it's going
to be seeing you're out, like you're gone, and I
think gone.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For like the first half of the second game, or
or is he out for this next game? When you
get ejected, don't you have to miss the next game? No,
that's just that's the pros. I mean, NFL college ollege
you missing half? Okay, Yeah, I was mixing like my
sports up. It's it shouldn't have happened. And I mean
that's vintage Draymond being Draymond.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I mean is he too old for this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But was Dennis Rodman too old for it? Like Dennis
Rodman came in the same way, he went out even worse.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You wouldn't you think.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Know, the older you get, the more crafty you get
with stuff like this, you gotta start.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I just think pushes that that envelope. He pushes the
line further and further out, Like people say, like Draymond
gets away with talking to referees in a way that
nobody else gets to talk to him because that's how
he always talks to him that way. I mean, this
is one of those things. It's like, all right, when
you look at it, you're going to see that the
dude is grabbing his leg like he is getting grabbed.
(20:52):
But the bottom line is is that doesn't give you
free will. Like yep, here we go, he's grabbing my
leg again. I bet we won't grab it again after this.
Like you played the wrong sport. And look you tried
to take that tough man act to the football field.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
That that's didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Work there, Like you brought your ass right on off
of that grid man and you went right on back
to the horror. Yeah, he tried to play. Look looking
like some trash out there, a tight end. Oh man,
oh come on man. Draymond Green played in Michigan State.
He he was like he went out for the team.
I got to see this. Hey look here, man, look here.
(21:27):
All I'm saying is, you know, he's a he's a
He is an established tough guy in the league and
it has worked for his role with with this team
in a league.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
And probably its softest period of time.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Period difference.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
That's the difference when you talk about Draymond and what
he's done or you know all this and said, oh
he's thirty three, is he's too old for it? It's like, well,
when Rodman was doing it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
It wasn't a.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Time and era in the league where you kind of
had to like it was so I mean with the
handscheck you got defensivell was the elbows and everything else.
I mean, they had a Jordan rule in effect for
a reason, where like dude would just literally lay him
out when he went to the rack. I just you
could understand it a bit from Robin standpoint then because
(22:15):
it just happened all the time. Now it's it's like,
all right, man, this isn't as physical as it used
to be.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yet we've still got these sort.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Of antics and you're down oh one, you know you're
in a dogfight of a game.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The team needs you. I mean, he's had a ton
of success. He's been a part of what four championships. Yeah,
I mean, no one's gonna take that away from him.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
And obviously he plays, you know, a variety of roles
for Golden State. I just I hate seeing it because
of the impact that it has on their team. But
now down oh two, it's the first time a Steve
Kerr coach Golden State Warriors has ever been.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Down oh two.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's crazy, by the way.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's nuts, but it's that's where they're at and I think,
you know, him being you know, not being a part
of it in that second half is that plays a role.
So I hate seeing it from that standpoint because in
this league, in this era.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, I'm sorry, man like that.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
The toughest guy in this era of the NPA is
that's not saying much.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
But what basketball man?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You mentioned his age? How old do you think Harrison
Barnes is? You guys had to guess.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
He's been around a while long time, like thirty fast
six thirty six?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, yeah, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Oh yeah, see these guys be coming and so ear
hooks old.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Though I know you have forty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's what I'm watching it last time. I'm thinking, man,
Harrison Barnes is still starting in a playoff game and
it's he's thirty years old?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Old on are you trying to call me out?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh yeah, no, said he looks old. No, no, no,
I was totally went on a wild tangent there. I'm sorry,
he was distracted. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
You know, I thought he was trying he was trying
to hit the button.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, I was back in studio and I wish I
would have been with you guys. I would have thought
mid thirties, and he's thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I would have thought made thirty.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He's it seems like he's like he's mad. Yeah he does.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm sorry I didn't hear you because I was so
busy telling Berto to look at the program that he
had put on television. While he does look older, that
he does look older.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, so so congratulations of Harrison Barnes, the oldest thirty
year old in the history of the universe. Well stupid
next to Greg Odin.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, nobody's gonna get greg.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Greg was in college and people were like, man, people
wrote history books about where is.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Your birth certificate? My guy?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yeah, Like, I'm pretty sure I saw you in my
history book.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you think Greg Odin ever got carted in his life?
Like ever? Like going to my beer?
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I could probably find this out.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
At like ten years old, ten years ten years old
walking into the club.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
His eleventh birthday party, walked into a liquor store. They're like, house,
we got Greg in the house.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He's ten.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
What about my tab?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He played eighteen and all play eighteen and over basketball
coming in the club's damn but he he'd he'd be
getting those mixers.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
That would completely get a hot you know he'd be
getting all the mixes that didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Wait, it's good a Shirley Temple on the rocks. How
are you like? Great? I'm gonna get a white Russian
chocolate milk style. You know, Greg, Greg, you're in your forties.
Why are you getting mad Dog twenty twenty? It doesn't
make any sense. Yeah, he allowed box that. He's putting
it a little of vodka.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like a pop Popop an Ecto cooler.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I have this cooler sun kiss please you guys ever
had Suddy d That's how he does his mabosas?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Right, whatever horseshoe, I've never heard of that drink.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's not on our list.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
What alcohol is in it?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
There is no alcohol in it.
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Speaker 4 (26:43):
Your podcasts and Ridge give me the hell.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah. So we do have some updates near the top
of the NFL Draft and by near the top of
me and right at the top. So Bryce Young is
an overwhelming favorite to go number one overall now and
apparently he has stopped visiting with teams. Uh, He's called
off all visits. And so it appears, based on the
betting odds and the way this stuff has moved over
(27:08):
the past several days, that Bryce Young is going to
be the number one overall pick to the Carolina Panthers.
And again it brings me back to the point when
LeVar Arrington came on the air and was steadfast with
c J. Stroud's going to be the guy at number one.
I like trying to trying to tell that far don't Var.
I mean, you got to be ashamed of yourself that
(27:29):
you would give out that bad betting advice.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
LeVar like the.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Drop of you're giving out bad betting advice.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Jonas, Yeah, look I took the bait that was not so.
So they're negotiating the contract, is that What this means
that they're already having conversations about Bryce Shung and Carolina.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Noah would outwardly say that there's nothing that technically would
stop the number one team from doing so. People may
find this to be interesting or maybe they didn't know this.
When you have the number one overall pick, you could
start negotiating out if you want. The problem is the
NFL wouldn't be happy with you. You know, they want
to create the drama. They want to create intrigue and
(28:07):
have everyone tune in. And if you already lost one
of your thirty two picks, so he got thirty one
in the first round for Thursday night, and if the
other one everyone knows, no one's going to tune in
right away because they're like, what's the point I know
who's going number one? But the Panthers could be you know,
putting into motion in those contract negotiations. Hell with Joe
(28:28):
Burners and Daddy Bengals, they were feed him the playbook
the whole time he was interviewing, meeting with them. It
was their playbook. They're preparing him to get ready for
OTAs MIDI, caamp and everything else we'd walk in as
a rookie. So it's that's probably what's going on if
they have indeed decided he is the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
However, it is a couple weeks still.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Usually the week of the draft is where you get,
you know, the legitimate information that's not smoke screens like that.
Stuff starts to find its way out, and in large
part to to whether it be you know, front office
changes that happened or scouting changes that start to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Some stuff starts to leak. But it's still a little
early to buy into everything, so you know, you probably
want to wait till next week.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
But it looks like Bryce Young is going to be
the guy, and I don't you don't think there's there's
there's no reason to be surprised by that, because he's
got the best film, in my opinion, of all these
quarterbacks when you look at him, and.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
That won't change from here, Like where we're at now,
who's ever projecting to be in that number one spot?
That that it's it's unlikely that it'll change at this point.
So I mean and looking at looking at Bryce Young
and and how he again was able to galvanize the
(29:47):
brass of the Carolina Panthers with the way he interviewed
with them and met with them, it just it makes sense.
It just makes sense for him to be the guy
because he just his his pedigree and and and what
what he's come from, what what he's been able to accomplish,
and what he's what he's done, you know, what he's
(30:08):
what he's shown as his skill sets. It just it
to me he probably is the one quarterback that gives
your team the ability to start start him. He's probably
he's he's NFL. He's pro ready, pro ready type of quarterback.
And if he's not as pro ready as you would think,
(30:28):
he does come across as he does have the mental
fortitude and aptitude to actually be able to get up
to speed quick enough to be that guy. And that's
that's that's super important to a to an organization that
is looking to find leadership at such an important position.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, but I thought that he wasn't big enough to
be in Frank Reike's offense, like that Frank reback prototype
of a quarterback that he wanted, and Bryce Young would
not be the type to fit that prototype. But when
it comes to the number two pick, this is where
things get interesting. So Nick Casario, the Texans GM, he
said obviously that they're open to business at number two.
(31:08):
He also said some other things about his future. We're
going to get to coming up here in just a
couple of moments. But this is where things have gotten
interesting with the number two pick, because c J. Stroud
presumably would be the guy to go number two. The
Texans need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
CJ.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Stroud sitting there. Everybody identifies c J. Stroud and Bryce
Hung through this whole process as being the top two
quarterbacks in the draft. Well, according to DraftKings, speaking of
the betting odds, Will Anderson, Will Levis, and Tyree Wilson
are all favored to go ahead of c J. Stroud
at number two. So what the hell happened with CJ.
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Stroud being the lock to go number two to the
Houston Texans. I thought Houston was just full of crap
that they weren't going to go in another direction other
than quarterback. But apparently the way momentum is building, it
looks like that's a real possible ability at this point
in time.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Again, can't read too much in anything right now as
it currently stands. If people are wondering, Okay, how could
a guy possibly possibly be dropping at this point, well,
there's there's a number of reasons for it.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
You know, it could be in his interviews.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
For example, the S two test, which is a test
that tests your your processing ability as a quarterback, or
even some you know, some of the players who will
take it.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Maybe he's not testing as well as some of the
other guys he's going up against that. That could be
one of the measurements or the data points you look
at and say it isn't stack up quite as well.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
If you look at him on tape, I think he's
the most accurate quarterback in this class. But when he's
under duress, when he gets pressure, his numbers drop significantly. Now,
the exception to that would have been the Georgia game
this year, But you have to ask yourself, Okay, he
could do it, but why was it only once where
you really saw that sort of performance and where you
go back, you go you know how much of it
(32:59):
was him versus Ryan Day, who's been a great play
caller over.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
The course of his time in Ohio State as an
OC but also as a head coach.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
The ridiculous talented wide receivers they've had from you know,
Garrett Wilson and Chris o'lave this past year with Marvin
Harrison Junior and Jackson Smith.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And Jigbu a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
You know, does that detract away from his ability as
a passer because those guys make plays, they're wide open,
all those things, so all.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That adds up, you know.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
And I said to you before, it's it's it hurts
too when you upset football royalty.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
And he wasn't a part of the Manning Passing Academy.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
The rumor I heard was that he had committed and
then backed out right before, which is a bad look
and a lot of people won't put much weight in that.
But you're talking about again, like football Royalty, that is
the Mannings. So if you've got some other things that
people are maybe questioning, and you're not interviewing as well,
and maybe you're not testing as well on some of
the things that they're asked to do, and you could
(33:59):
buy it a way with that. Yeah, then maybe maybe
starts to concern some teams and they say, Okay, we
see what he's capable of, but you know, is that
are we willing to take him over another player we
feel really good about coming in and being a day
one starter, where maybe we're not so sure about him
right now. But look, I still think he's the number
two quarterback in this draft class based on the film,
(34:20):
based on his accuracy that wins at the next level.
He's a sharp young man, you know, the whole Manning
thing and all that. I don't know really what to
think of that. I think it looks bad, but the
truth of the matter is all my interactions ever being
around the kid, he's a great young man. So I
think that he should be taking number two overall. If
Houston doesn't take him at number two. They're saying this
(34:42):
now because they want to trade partner. They want someone
to come up and take him so they can trade
out of that spot because they either have another quarterback
they feel higher on that. They don't want to let
people know or they feel like one of these guys
are going to drop to them with their second first
round pick, which is a risk, but that might be
one that Nick Cassario is willing to take considering.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
You know, maybe he feels like he's not going to
be there that much longer.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I know Q hates this, but you still have to
throw into consideration. Quarterbacks out of both Alabama and Ohio
State have not translated well into the league. I just wonder,
like how much how much trepidation.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
I think the only thing I'd push back on with
that is that what schools are you saying have I.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Mean, I don't. I would have to look and see.
I don't. I just know what I do know is
it hasn't been Alabama. And if I think about the quarterbacks,
I don't. I don't. Baker Mayfield didn't translate. Who Kyler
Murray somewhat kind of sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is Jalen Hurts and Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I mean he spent more time at Bama.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, but he finished at Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
The odd thing about that is he went to he
went to Bama. He played more Obama when I sec
championship at Obama. But Mac Jones, a starter from Bama
to a time I low to start from Bama. I
mean you start going to the starters. Yeah, they're starters,
but have they translated? Have they had the level of
success where you would say that this is you know,
(36:17):
I don't think that has anything to do with what
they were in college, right, I think that has a
lot to do with what what situation they get thrown into.
I mean we've looked at multiple now top three picks
with the Jets just get showed up and spit out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Also, doesn't it feel like Ohio State and Alabama like
their recent quarterback success is different from their quarterbacks they
had in the past. Craig Crenzel to Justin Fields and
c J. Stroud is prospects. Yeah, sure, I mean the
other guys are first round prospects. Crenswell obviously, wasn't that
A J mcceren to Jalen Hurts or Tua or Bryce
(36:57):
Young is night and day as far.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, But then you think about guys like Terrell Pryor,
who was supposed to be like a can't miss prospect,
great tattoos, I mean, great body, like a Cam Newton
type of built, freakish athleticism. I mean didn't translate, well
he moved to wide receiver, yeah, because he didn't translate
the quarterback well.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, But that's like a bigger question of college football.
I don't think it has anything to do again with
the schools they come from.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I think they're they're drafted where they're drafted because they're
probably prepared for that.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But it's like certain positions you go to certain places,
like you know, I know we'll say Notre Dame, but
you know, Penn State has had a really good run
of tight ends coming out of Penn State. You'll go
to Penn State to get tight ends because you just
know you're going to get a player that can contribute
from Penn State that's at that position. I think that
(37:50):
there are Again, if I'm thinking just that one hits
me off the top of my head, I don't know.
I would not be able to say, off the top
of my head, what schools have had quarterbacks that just
translate to being great pros? You know, our quarterback, I don't.
I don't know that, but I just I do know
that that has always been Again when I go to
(38:11):
that point, it's always been a point that's referenced like
pundit's reference the fact that these are two schools that
have not had a quarterback that has basically, I mean,
what transcended to being a franchise quarterback. I mean, how
do you view pro I mean, he's I view him
as an LSU Tiger though, okay, I don't view him
(38:33):
as a state man.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I mean, I get it, I get it. I don't know.
I don't look at he didn't get drafted out of
Ohio State. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
There's there's some Okay, But then do you say LSU
prepares their quarterbacks because who before him?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That's what I say.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
But that's what I'm saying. It's like you're making a
blanket statement, and it's.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
More of, well, it wasn't a blanket bay. It was
more geared towards it was focused on Ohio State and Bama.
Yeah yeah. And then what I'm saying is, you know
they don't I mean, I mean, you just.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Got instead of starting quarterbacks with those guys from those
schools by distease.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
The general the general point is more of does the
college game prepare for the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
And the the answer is it can be no, it
can be yes.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
If you get a guy like Mike McDaniel, for example,
who comes in and puts in an offense that plays
the strengths of Toua and they, you know, they provide
him with more talent around him to let him be successful,
and so then you see more of what the TUA
tongue of Lowe you saw Alabama was in Miami, whereas
compared to Brian Flores with chan Gaily, not the same deal, right,
(39:45):
an order, offensive minded coach who wanted to run a
system that he knows and he brings in Ryan Fitzpatrick
to run it because Ryan Fitzpatrick him in had you know,
previous success together and he knows the system and it's
not it's not catered to towards what TUA does well
or what his strengths are. So you know, yeah, if
you want to, if you want to make it about that,
(40:07):
that's a fair argument. It's no different than me trying
to put put a three four outside linebackers as a
four to three d N You'd sit there and say, well,
you're playing out a position. Yeah, And you can make
the same thing about quarterbacks putting them in a bad system,
which which I think now, at least in today's game,
more offensive systems are willing to work with the quarterback
(40:27):
skill set and not say, hey, this is our system,
this is what we run, this is what you have
to adapt to, because they know that's not a winning battle.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I just wanted to show our listening audience how smart
you are. And that's all. That's the only reason why
I raised this point. You know, turn to me or
Brady or Brady. Oh you too, thanks man, your next segment, nextment.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Next segment. By the way, I will gladly take CJ.
Stroud plus three fifty to go number two. That feels
like a small investment. Yeah, it feels like the one
I'm going to go with.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
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