April 18, 2023 • 37 mins
Texans GM Nick Caserio might be oblivious about his job stability. Brady Quinn talks about his grade heading into the draft and another edition of “You In or Out?”
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So obviously a busy day in the NFL. Yesterday, Jalen
Hurts gets his big time contract extension and everybody waits
to see what that does for Lamar Jackson or Justin
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Herbert or Joe Burrow. Best guess, who do you guys
think signs the next big quarterback contract?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Who would you say it is? Joe Burrow?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Yeah, I was gonna say Burrow, probably right.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean, if you're the Brown family and you're trying
to not have to keep out doing the next contract,
you better get to work on that. I just don't
know if Joe Burrow is going to take a hometown discount.
You know, I think he knows how valuable he is.
You know, some people think he's the best quarterback in.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
The league, and uh.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean you can make that argument, right, especially
considering his record going up against Mahomes head to head.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I mean that being said, though, I mean again.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I know we know you don't like that comparison.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, it's not comparison. I think it's short sighting the
other elements that play a.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Factor indeed, indeed, but got to be the guy.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Burrow's got to be it otherwise, or it could be
her price.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Here it's it's so one and seventy honestly speaking. Honestly speaking,
it could be Lamar Jackson. The most realistic is Lamar
Jackson really think about it?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
I mean, it's it's interesting to.
Speaker 8 (02:34):
Think, but it's probably more realistic to think he's closer
to getting his deal done than anybody else, even though
he seems very far away right now. Yeah, sometimes it's
really not as horribly bad as as the public may
think it is. It just may not be as it's bad.
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I'm sure it's bad, but it just may not be
as bad as people think it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
See, I think the only reason that it's bad publicly
is because of Lamar Jackson. Like, he's the one who
released the terms of the contract he was offered. The
Ravens haven't done any of that. They've stayed pretty steady
and consistent with their messaging the entire time. They've kept
everything in house. Lamar Jackson's the guy who's made everything
public on Twitter. Like, if there's anybody who deserves some
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fault for where this thing is at at least publicly
optics wise, I would say it's Lamar Jackson because nobody
from Baltimore was like, okay, well this is the contract
we Lamar Jackson went straight to Twitter and dropped three years,
one hundred and thirty three million dollars, you know, and
all the other details that came along with it. So,
I just I think he's got a lot of blame
to be had when it comes to the awkwardness of
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that whole situation. Also, Draymond Green, any shot, Draymond Green
gets suspended for a game in this series for stomp out.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
You think so, I was thinking, so, I mean, but
I don't. It's an egregious act in terms of him
stomping him. But I just I just wonder will they
sit there and say, Okay, the guy is trying to
pull away from the other player, the player is not
allowing him to pull away. And while he was excessive
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on the way he stomped him, he's not. His reasoning
isn't wrong, His reasoning isn't wrong. He just didn't need
to to Bruce Lee Roy his ribs.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That's all, you know, because he's black.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
Oh, Berto, I mean, we hadn't had the button hit
all show long. So I just I just figured i'd
jump on the grenade because we can't go an entire
show without having.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
The button hit. Okay, you know that's fair.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
I just figured i'd just go ahead and do it.
I mean, since you you set it up that you're
the one that asked.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I just didn't. I thought it was Bruce Lee. I
didn't know what the roy was there. You know, you
don't know about Bruce Lee roy.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I mean when they got that glow yo, I do
know now, yes, I do know now, all right, So
the other'll think, ya.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What are you thinking? He's not getting suspended getting now well,
thank you?
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Is he a repeat offender? Like in the in the like?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Does this previous history of of technicals and everything else
like factor into this?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
It probably should, but I don't think it will here
because I don't think it was egregious enough where the
NBA is going to say, listen, let's let's sit him
out for a game, like if anything, people want.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
To rap first, and obviously some bonus received a text,
so that kind of offsets whatever he did afterwards, right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, and any if anything, the NBA is probably going
to look at this and say him being out there
for Game three. With the way this series has gone
and how fired up the Kings are and the Warriors
back at home, they're a drastically better team at home
as opposed to on the road. I can't imagine they'd
want to, you know, punish Raymond Green or not have
him in this game if he had stomped on his face,
if he had pulled in Dominican sue and stomped him out.
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I get all that, but this seems like there's a
little bit of, you know, that they can there's some
wiggle room here when it comes to Draymond Green. So
so he should be there for Game three, but who
the hell knows? All right, So here's the other story
we were talking about the top of the draft. We
talked about the odds saying c J. Stroud would be
number one over or c J. Stroud not be number
one overall anymore. It would be Bryce Young that shifted dramatically.
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It feels like that's where that's going. Also some other
odds about where c J. Stroud could go because you've
got some other guys that are now favored ahead of
him at number two. Well, Nick Cassario, who's the general
manager of the Houston Texans. There were some reports, some
rumblings that Nick Cassario would be out after the draft,
so he spoke with the media yesterday and felt a
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little bit agitated over just the rumors that he would
be gone. Here was the current Texans.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
GM boy, Frank, I'm almost embarrassed that I have to
say anything. I'm honest I feel like Leonardo DiCaprio on
the Wolf of Wall Street. But I'm not leaving. There's
never really been any substantiate discussions of the sort. Certainly,
it's been a joy to work with Demiko in concert
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as we build the team and continue to build the staff.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
Unfortunately, I think this time of year, there's a lot
of information and a lot of topics that are discussed.
Some are more accurate than others, and I think it
transcends multiple landscapes, but Canada. I'm honestly, I'm almost embarrassed
that I have to say anything, but I feel like
I have an obligation to make that statement.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
So have you looked at your record? What's your resume
in Houston?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Six? Where does the embarrassing come into? What?
Speaker 8 (07:49):
What's the ranking of this? I think he's seven six
and one. I mean, I'm embarrassed, is your record embarrassed?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He did inherit a bag of craft, though, Deshaun Watson,
in that whole situation that he walked into, he kind
of had to figure it out and basically decide can
they keep him? Are we trading him? And then they
had to unload him and try and startle over again.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
I mean, it wasn't he a part of the whole
one two deal with with Lovey and and uh the
other coach, that's correct, I mean you're on your third
he's on his third coach in how many years?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Three three years entering year three, entering year three, three
three coaches?
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Yeah, okay, And it's embarrassing to think that he has
to address the fact that whether he's going to have
a job or not. I mean, okay, I mean because
in most other businesses last I checked, and in normal
civilian life the world, and I know military doesn't like
when I say the normal civilian life, but in civilian life,
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if you have the type of of resume that that
Caserio has in Houston, you don't have a job anymore.
If you're a high ranking official, and that is what
you're putting out there as a product over how many years?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
How many years? Four? Going into year.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Three three, you're going into year three with you can't say,
I mean, you guys, tell me. Can you say he's
taken this maybe now today you could say that, But
before today, can you say that he was definitively with
the decisions he was making taking this organization in the
right direction. Can we look at that and see a
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correlation of here are the decisions that the GM has
made that seemingly is taking this team in the right
direction outside of the hiring of Demico rants No.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
But I think that he was just trying to figure
out a solution when it came to Deshaun Watson and
then go from there.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He kind of jumped in at a pretty inopportune time,
right Like, I mean, you had a you know, a
quarterback that was accused or allegedly doing something we had
never seen before, and that was supposed to.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Be your franchise guy.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I don't know, I mean, it's he did a
great job during his time in New England. Ultimately, Bill
Belichick receives credit for all of that, since he's got
the final say there, but it's one of the reasons
why he made his way to Houston is he wanted
to be the guy and it came under difficult circumstances.
And now because of what's transpired with a new head
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coach who has more power, it may not end up
working out that way. So it's again a tough spot
to be in for him. But I do like the
fact that he makes Jordan Belfourth kind of reference because
that's something that I think people relate to and fans
will kind of love because that's it's one of the
scenes that you recall from Wolf of Wall Street, like, Yeah,
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that's my guy, that's my leader.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
You know, that's the guy won in there. You got
to drag him out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But in reality, I think the you know, if there's
one foot out the door, I would not be surprised
by that because the other thing is too. Like I
think every time you whether you're a head coach or
you're a front office executive, you take a job and
you get there and you might hear some concerns of
how bad things are, and then you get there and
you go, oh, no, this is not what I thought, or.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
This is worse.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Right, Like I always would wonder about Ron Rivera taking
the Washington commando's job.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
And you heard him say, it's like a level of relief.
Now relief, That's what I'm saying. Like, who uses that
word relief as a head coach?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I would love to hear, you know, just a raw
story of yeah, it was way worse than what I
thought it was.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Everyone finds it out.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And also, I would think part of the appeal, or
maybe the only appeal for Nick Casario to want to
take the Texans job is because he thought, well, at
least we've got a franchise quarterback who's under contract long
term because Deshaun Watson had just signed that extension. And
then he gets there, it's like, oh, by the way,
he's got a fetish and he goes to massage parlors
and there's gonna be like one hundred different accusations against
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him over the next several months.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Okay, that's fun.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm sure glad I left New England in some stability
to come over here. So I'm just wondering where did
these these stories start that he was going to be
gone after the draft, because I think Albert Breard hinted
at that as well too. It's not like people are
just making this up out of thin air? So where
did this stuff come from? Like there was even a name.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Someone within the organization linked it out well, just.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Like there was already a replacement. It was the forty
nine ers assistant GM, who was already looked at as
being the guy who was going to take over, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
And why wouldn't he?
Speaker 8 (12:39):
I mean, honestly, why wouldn't If I'm Damiko Ryans, why
wouldn't you hire somebody that you know there would never
be any type of confusion or any type of bucking
within the ranks.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You know, if I'm the guy that Okay, I didn't
hire you, but I'm a carry over to this regime
and We've had little success while I've been here. Even
though you may have a great resume and a great background,
I'm still looking at it like I didn't hire you.
And if I have the ability, if I have the
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autonomy to actually be able to dictate who I'm hiring
at key positions, That's why ads lose their jobs when
coaches go to these schools and stuff like that, Like,
they lose their jobs because you don't want anyone or
anything that could undermine what it is that you're going
to bring to the table. If you're going to go down,
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you go down swinging with the people that you've brought in.
Like if I'm going into a foxhole, I don't want
to be in a fox hole with somebody I don't know.
I'm not putting my I'm not going back to back
with somebody I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I may turn around, you might be facing me, you
know what I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
So why wouldn't if I'm Demico Ryans would Why wouldn't
I be thinking about bringing in somebody who helped me
build a one of the most elite defenses in in
the league.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Why wouldn't I do that? I mean, if Nick is
like go after the draft.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Like gangster, especially after an interview like this, right, like
who who doubled down and told him, Oh, don't worry
about your job safe And this is embarrassing in the
morning after the draft, get fired the day after the
draft after saying it's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
To even address it is embarrassing. That's why I don't like,
who's gonna make up these rumors? Like nobody's gonna just
make this up out of thin air? Like they had
to come from somebody within the organization, and no.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
One's come to his defense.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
No, no one.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Is right.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah's guy.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah, that's a good point. You out here all about
yourself here and crickets.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
You better start putting them putting them clothes in the bag,
better start popping the boxes out.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Just backing away from the situation.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Like Bob Bigdare's are in the corner, like Zipitous Coffee
giving him.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
A look cluck, yeah, buddy, all right, but he said,
as soon as this radio show is over, he's out
of here.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Jall.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
By the way, you can tell Nick Cassario has never
worked in radio because you don't get to say goodbye.
It's just like they call you afterwards, say yeah, that'll
do it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That was it for you?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, i'd you like your last show? What do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
So you're definitely not going to see it coming, but
we will keep you posted as to how long is.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Not successful though, you know, if he's oblivious to what's
coming down to pipe or possibly you know, he's been successful,
so'll go for him.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Seven twenty six and one. I believe it is his
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Speaker 5 (16:02):
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Speaker 8 (16:24):
I would love the smoke, That's all i'mouna say. I
would love the smoke. I love to take a stay
about it on behalf.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
On the half a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
While grilling smoking or something.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Oh, grilling smoke in our row.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I'll say four to twenty is coming up, so.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, I would enjoy it. I would enjoy the grill
approach on this one.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I saw this on Instagram. I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They had a filing cabinet, like one of those tall
stacked filing cabinets, and so in.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
The bottom them draw they had the coals kind.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of going to smoke it, and then at each drawer
above that they had a different meat in there. There
they were smoking all the way up out, and then
they punctured a hole in the top of the filing
cabinet to create like a little chimney to then let
the smoke billow out.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But that's how that's how they were smoking the meat.
So it was actually pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
By the way, I think people are stealing my idea
because I went to go buy some grill cleaner, got
to clean the grill. Almost burnt down the house over
the weekend because I realized they hadn't cleaned.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The grill in a while and all gone.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
All sold out. So it's grill season. People are getting
fired up for the grill season. Weather's starting to get
a little warmer air.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
I'll get a little contentious, and we could get a
little agitated and irritated with one another. But I ain't
cool when somebody else takes takes a shot. I just ain't.
I ain't okay with that. I'm gonna just let that
be made known. I ain't okay with it, and I
really do want to get on this grill, I really do.
I'm gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I really am.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
I really like, I really feel a certain type of
way to be honest.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I really do. Yeah, boy on a little bit there,
just a tab it wow.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
And I'm pretty good at this this this thing right here,
I'm pretty good at that. All right, all right, I'm
gonna breathe through it, though, because because that that hit me.
It hit me to like, it caught me off guard
and I'm sitting here, were joking and we laughing, and
then it gets all real when you start to hear
certain things take place.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Man, and you know, or the person that thought it
was a good idea to run that.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Yeah, or the person that thought it was a good
idea to say we'll run with that, yeah, just to
say it in the first place, I just think that
that's just distasteful. I really do like that that there
was no taste involved in that.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So for people that are a legend, I mean, you
could be a legend in this game and make mistakes.
That was a mistake.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, for those of you that are that are wondering
what the hell's going on here? Just there was a
a promo from Dan Patrick talking about the draft and
Brady Quinn's draft status and his stock and all that stuff.
So very very interesting.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Some of the a lot of different lanes you could
go down and handling things and discussing things, and I
just that that was a miss.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
That was a miss for me. I would love to.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Look everyone's everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They are, they are, And it's easier in retrospect to
base every you know, their opinion and say that when
things don't work out. But you know, the funny thing
to me is always that's like the most ignorant approach.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
It really is. That's and that's the point. It really
is an ignorant approach.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But for this reason in life, we all make decisions.
We're all going to make decisions today. What we do
and what we we usually use to justify those decisions
is the result. And the reality is it's it's not
always the result that determines if it was a good
decision or not. You can leave early for work and
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you could be set to be on time, but you
take a route that ends up going and it happens
to be under construction and guess what, it's backed up
all of a sudden, you hit a nail, you get
a flat tiw, you're late to work, your boss has
ticked off of you. I mean, you made a good
decision initially, you didn't know there was going to be
construction there. It's just how it worked out. But what's
going to end up happening in the end is you're
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going to look back and go, well, it's because I
took the wrong route, but you could have never known
there was, you know, gonna be construction there today, and
that there's gonna be a nail lying on the field
of the street that punctures.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
You're tired and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And so what I'm what I'm trying to portray to
people is it's easy to sound right after the fact,
but that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right or
wrong decision. It's called resulting, and it's more of a
poker term that people use or people using statistics. But
as you kind of take a deep dive into it,
humans we have to make decisions all the time without
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all the information, and there's obviously many facts that play
a role in whether something does or doesn't work out.
And that's why I always say, like I don't try
to point at one thing, and I always try to
highlight the fact that and LeVar, we've talked about this.
When something goes wrong, they're gonna blame the player. In
the players, it's he he would in this, or he
was a bus or you hear all the time this
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time of year. Every one of these guys who's getting
drafted is talented and capable enough of playing in the NFL.
They are like, bottom line is, they wouldn't be considered
to be a first round pick, a whatever it may be.
The truth of it is they're most likely going to
go into an organization that is not capable of helping
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them develop.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And people can say it's an excuse or whatever the
case is, but there's and then look, there's a few
that are so talented that they can overcome the issues
of that organization.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Mostly But the truth is we've all been there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
People have worked for crappy companies and they've been like,
I have no cho I don't even want to succeed
here because I don't want to have to work for
this guy, or it's a bad culture, environment, or or
there's there's no way I can succeed in this job.
I'm at my ceiling right now. I'm going to look
somewhere else. It's easier to do that in the working world.
It's not easier to do that in the NFL. You know,
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you've got to You've got to really push the envelope
on things. And that's the hard thing about you know,
playing professional sports. It's a blessing, it's the greatest thing
in the world. You get compensated a bunch for it,
but there's also a lot of things that impact your
ability to succeed and where you end up. Your situation
in circumstance is going to play the biggest impact of
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anything else.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And in Dan Patrick, in fairness to him, the promo
that was running it was DP talking to an established
quarterback who said Brady Quinn's accuracy is not going to
improve when he gets to the NFL, and Dan said,
you know, and that that turned out to be true,
although probably didn't include the disaster that was the Cleveland
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Browns and all the other stuff that went along with it.
And he talked about you falling in the draft. So
I think that's why we got a little bit a little.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Bit, and like, I'm just trying to breathe through it
because I don't want to get myself fired.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, And and the truth is, you know, so my
numbers from my junior year to my my senior year,
you don't have to just to be honest, well, but here,
but here's the narrative because I can recall all this
when it was going on, and this is what CJ.
Straud's dealing with right now. Like I remember being in
Arizona and hearing people be like, oh, you might be dropping,
it might be this, And I remember thinking to myself, like, dude,
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I've been busting my ass to prepare for my pro day,
rehabit my knee, all this stuff. I'm like, why would
I be dropping? Like what have I what game have
I played since then? And you know, people were like, oh,
the completion percentage from his junior year to a senior year.
I'm like, well, okay, let's let's like dive into that
a little bit deeper.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So we had my junior year, a player by the
name of Marie Stovall who just had an unbelievable season
that year in two thousand and five, breakout season, you know,
helped him get drafted and ended up converting from wide
receiver to tie into one point in his career. But
you know, really put him on the map and he
played that ex position or that kind of you know,
split end however you want to describe it, that we
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would try to isolate one on one. Bigger body guy
was just the perfect wide receiver as far as like,
would do anything you asked him to do, would be
where he was supposed to be, would change the route
when he needed to. He was just that type of player,
That type of guy he's coaching now, and God bless
him because he's got so much to share and so
much to give to kids. Well, we had Jeff Samarga
(24:42):
who was there along with a guy named Raymy McKnight
and Ramon and Jeff were both kind of off the
ball slot, you know, type flanker type wide receivers. Well,
that next year Rayma decided to come back, and Jeff
had really emerged this kind of our off the ball
slot kind of flanker, a Z wide receiver, and so
then Rama, being that he was so good, we had
to put him at X.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The problem is is Raymond was more used to kind
of running routes and really playing the way he did
at more of a Z, and they're just two different
positions as far as the routes you're asked to run,
the timing, and everything else that's incorporated with them. At
X there's much less of a chance with a lot
of the type of rhythm drops. For you to you
have to be on the same page. And it took
(25:23):
Raymon and I a while to be able to kind
of work that out and in the course of the season,
and it was frustrating. I mean, it was frustrating for me.
I'm sure it was frustrating for Rama. And you know,
there was times where you kind of felt like you
felt bad because you know, you knew that if we
had someone else that could play X, and when we
actually went to our three wide receiver sets, we had
we had a guy named David Grimes who would play X.
(25:44):
You know, he would run run out there and play
that spot and then Jeff and and Rama would be
on the other side. And so, yeah, there was some misthrows.
There are some timing elements of things that were off.
But that's what I'm saying is there's so many deeper
you know, issues that play a course or a factor
of what's happening out there in the field that relate
to the numbers. You know, our offensive line didn't play
as well my senior year as our junior year. You know,
(26:06):
we had a freshman right tackle, Sam Young has played
for ever in the NFL, and you know, as good
as he was as a true freshman to start at
Notre Dame, you know him and Ryan Harris, who was
a freshman when I came in, that started as well.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You know, as a true freshman, you know, it's tough
to do.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You're going to go through some growing pains, and so
you saw, you saw a little bit of that, and
so we had to game plan around some of that.
So there's just there's all sorts of little things that
play a factor. And that's where that narrative started, was
a what was the what was the drop for this?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And all that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And and so as far as accuracy goes, like I
would go up again, I'd put it myself up against
anyone throwing a football at targets whatever else. But when
you don't, when you're constantly in different systems and you don't,
you know, you're not as confident in where you need
to be looking and where you should be going within
that system. Because you've got, you know, a system for
two years, then you got another system your third year,
Then you have another system your fourth year, then a
(26:57):
different variation that system your fifth year, and then back
to different system sixty year. It becomes hard, you know,
it becomes horrid when you can't build a foundation to
build off of that. That's why I always say, like situation,
some circumstance, because look at Tom Brady. Yeah, one system
is an entire year for the most part. Peyton Manning
brought his system from Indie to Denver, and I'm not
(27:17):
putting myself in those categories, but you when you look
at the success they had and going different places, changing teams, it.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
All plays a role. It all plays a role. And
unless you're in those situations, and I think most.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Quarterbacks would attest to this, you don't really know.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
So that's why, Look, everyone's gonna have their opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
As media pundits, we have to take a very polarizing
approach otherwise it doesn't stick. But you know, again, like
that's DP. Dp's a good dude. I've always enjoyed going
on their show.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
It is what it is. Everyone's going to have their
own opinion and that's what they get paid to do.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's funny, this just applies to the NFL Draft, just
like it applies to anything else. It feels like we're
at the point because you talk about CJ. Stroud and
then yourself and they're trying to find flaws and Brady
and c J. Stroud and all these other players. It's
like you may not always know what you want to eat,
but you always know what you definitely don't want to eat.
And it's almost like we're at the point where now
people are like, I definitely don't want that, and I
(28:14):
don't like that, and I don't like that because it
makes their decision easier. So they're just xing things out
and that's how they're coming to the conclusion that that's
that's what they want. It's almost like you're you're finding
everything you dislike about somebody instead of focusing on all
the positives. And if you just go back to the
last time.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
We saw CJ.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Stroud play a college football game, he was the best
player on the field.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That is a fact.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Against Georgia with and Marvin Harrison going out change the
entire tenor of that game or else he's play there. Yeah,
like so the fact that we're now all of a
sudden looking at everything else and the stuff we don't
like about him except for the.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
I'm gonna just say this, when when you're at the
top of the hill, and as it applies to the
NFL Draft, there are a handful there could be sometimes
just a hand for less than a handful of people
in the draft that are at the top of a hill.
And in some years you can have maybe two handfuls
(29:13):
of people that are standing on the top of this
hill of the NFL Draft. And once you see them
at the top, you look at all sides of that
heill and the rest of the draft class is at
the bottom. And it doesn't matter if they get drafted
in the first round, second round, so and so forth, undrafted,
(29:35):
free agent. They're all in the same pool, whether you
want to whether people want to admit it or not,
there are only a certain handful if you really take
a good hard look at every draft that ever takes place,
there are only a handful of players that drive the draft.
(29:57):
So there's a reality check right there. Ye, no doubt,
there's a reality check right there. And if you're understanding
what I just said to you, to go at and
and to have that type of take on somebody who's
driving the draft, it's like you said, it's the polarizing effect, right,
(30:18):
it's the it's the polarizing approach. It's it's not to me,
it's not. It wasn't the tasteful approach. You can have
an opinion, you can have you know, you can have
responses to and and and for for it to be
you that that that they chose, Like, I just felt
like that's just was way too convenient just because of
the proximity.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
And the nature of what we do. But the bottom line,
I get it.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
But the bottom line is is that you did what
you were supposed to do where you are a legend
and a long lasting figure connected to the university that
you came from, and you helped drive that draft. So
at the bare minimum, to sit there and for us
to be on this right here where you hear something
(31:05):
like that, that that really bothered me.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
That that just it bothered me. That's that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I appreciate you saying that. Again, everyone's entitled their own opinion.
It's just it's funny to me, look at a guy
like Josh Allen, right, at no point did he ever
eclipse sixty percent completion percentage?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
What was the big what was the big question about
him coming out of right?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Did he have a good enough all let's just let's
just look at Yeah. Yeah, they said he changed.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
They said he changed is his throwing technique and that's
what made him the pro he is now.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's right, because it took him three years to change
that throwing motion, right, same system, same offensive coordinator, you know,
three years, you know, really starting into his third year.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
But what was the big change in his third year.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
His throwing technique?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
No, Stephan Diggs?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they got Stephan Diggs his
third year and guess what crazy, I mean, it just
so happens his completion percentage goes up.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
And that's the hard thing is.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, when I go look back at the team
I got drafted into, when you had guys like Brylon Edwards,
you had guys like Kellen Winslow, those guys. I didn't
get to play much with those guys. All my starts
basically came my third year when those guys were gone
and you had rookies out there starting and so there's
a lot of other things too, like you can look
at and point to. But again it's not convenient. It
(32:21):
takes more effort. You have to dive into stuff, you
have to actually look at this. And so that's why again,
completion percentage is one of the stupidest arguments you can
make for accuracy, because all that tells me is that
person's lazy.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
They never looked at the tape.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
They didn't look out actually to see if there was
accuracy there, or if there's issues, or what type of
windows they are throwing into. There's so many things that
play a factor in what accuracy actually is.
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Are you in or out on taxes? Come on? What
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Man.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I think it's important to pay your taxes. There you go, Yeah,
there you go. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes. I
just sometimes don't like to see what they're going to fund.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah. Else.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Remember Crazy Cabby. He was a radio host in New York.
He was a regular on Howard Stern Show. He went
on Howard Stern Show and was bragging about how he
hadn't paid his taxes in like three years. Yeah, and
did a couple of years in prison just because he
said that on the air.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Did Wesley Snipes like not believe paying tax or something?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
And then he believed in having to do that time
absolutely absolutely before after Blade. That was after Blade.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
But he believed because he was Blade that that he
was fighting crime and you know all these these dark
uh you know.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Type of vampires, so he didn't have to pay the tax.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
It was all downhill after white men can't jump. Nothing
was ever the same. That's the role. That was his role.
Nothing was ever the same after that?
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What else we got? Lee? Guys? Nobody talks crackers more
than this show? And it is National animal cracker Day?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Are you guys enter out on animal crackers?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
And racist? Yeah? Thank you? You know what you know?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
It's great about animal crackers, like the little box they
come in with a little like the holder got my
son some animal crackers not long ago, threw them on
the floor.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Not interested as a racist? What am I supposed to do?
Not get them animal crackers? All right? Racist?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You Brady on animal crackers now, Brady Quinn there yeah, Brady,
little drop technical difficulties.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
All right, little drop, droppy drop? What else we got?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Lee?
Speaker 12 (36:30):
That was?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
It's also National kickball Day? Do you guys remember kickball?
I was really good at it too, I wasn't. I
was good at kickball. I used to kick them home
runs or get them in kick home in park? Kick? Uh?
What was a home run? Would you ask for the
rollie or the bouncy?
Speaker 9 (36:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Really?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I need some bounce to it so I could get
some air under it.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Right, You got a better opportunity as a pitcher with
the bouncy You know, you can catch you. You know
what I mean that Rolye.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
You're just there. You just gotta be able to get
up under it. It's a good point, man, Yeah, I
hear you. They had home runs where I played too.
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Yeah.
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Hit the wall above North Hills, you and I, Man,
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So obviously a busy day in the NFL. Yesterday, Jalen
Hurts gets his big time contract extension and everybody waits
to see what that does for Lamar Jackson or Justin
(01:19):
Herbert or Joe Burrow. Best guess, who do you guys
think signs the next big quarterback contract?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Who would you say it is? Joe Burrow?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Yeah, I was gonna say Burrow, probably right.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean, if you're the Brown family and you're trying
to not have to keep out doing the next contract,
you better get to work on that. I just don't
know if Joe Burrow is going to take a hometown discount.
You know, I think he knows how valuable he is.
You know, some people think he's the best quarterback in.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
The league, and uh.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, I mean you can make that argument, right, especially
considering his record going up against Mahomes head to head.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I mean that being said, though, I mean again.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
I know we know you don't like that comparison.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, it's not comparison. I think it's short sighting the
other elements that play a.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Factor indeed, indeed, but got to be the guy.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Burrow's got to be it otherwise, or it could be
her price.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Here it's it's so one and seventy honestly speaking. Honestly speaking,
it could be Lamar Jackson. The most realistic is Lamar
Jackson really think about it?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
I mean, it's it's interesting to.
Speaker 8 (02:34):
Think, but it's probably more realistic to think he's closer
to getting his deal done than anybody else, even though
he seems very far away right now. Yeah, sometimes it's
really not as horribly bad as as the public may
think it is. It just may not be as it's bad.
(02:55):
I'm sure it's bad, but it just may not be
as bad as people think it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
See, I think the only reason that it's bad publicly
is because of Lamar Jackson. Like, he's the one who
released the terms of the contract he was offered. The
Ravens haven't done any of that. They've stayed pretty steady
and consistent with their messaging the entire time. They've kept
everything in house. Lamar Jackson's the guy who's made everything
public on Twitter. Like, if there's anybody who deserves some
(03:20):
fault for where this thing is at at least publicly
optics wise, I would say it's Lamar Jackson because nobody
from Baltimore was like, okay, well this is the contract
we Lamar Jackson went straight to Twitter and dropped three years,
one hundred and thirty three million dollars, you know, and
all the other details that came along with it. So,
I just I think he's got a lot of blame
to be had when it comes to the awkwardness of
(03:42):
that whole situation. Also, Draymond Green, any shot, Draymond Green
gets suspended for a game in this series for stomp out.
Speaker 8 (03:51):
You think so, I was thinking, so, I mean, but
I don't. It's an egregious act in terms of him
stomping him. But I just I just wonder will they
sit there and say, Okay, the guy is trying to
pull away from the other player, the player is not
allowing him to pull away. And while he was excessive
(04:13):
on the way he stomped him, he's not. His reasoning
isn't wrong, His reasoning isn't wrong. He just didn't need
to to Bruce Lee Roy his ribs.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
That's all, you know, because he's black.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
Oh, Berto, I mean, we hadn't had the button hit
all show long. So I just I just figured i'd
jump on the grenade because we can't go an entire
show without having.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
The button hit. Okay, you know that's fair.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
I just figured i'd just go ahead and do it.
I mean, since you you set it up that you're
the one that asked.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I just didn't. I thought it was Bruce Lee. I
didn't know what the roy was there. You know, you
don't know about Bruce Lee roy.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I mean when they got that glow yo, I do
know now, yes, I do know now, all right, So
the other'll think, ya.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What are you thinking? He's not getting suspended getting now well,
thank you?
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Is he a repeat offender? Like in the in the like?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Does this previous history of of technicals and everything else
like factor into this?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
It probably should, but I don't think it will here
because I don't think it was egregious enough where the
NBA is going to say, listen, let's let's sit him
out for a game, like if anything, people want.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
To rap first, and obviously some bonus received a text,
so that kind of offsets whatever he did afterwards, right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, and any if anything, the NBA is probably going
to look at this and say him being out there
for Game three. With the way this series has gone
and how fired up the Kings are and the Warriors
back at home, they're a drastically better team at home
as opposed to on the road. I can't imagine they'd
want to, you know, punish Raymond Green or not have
him in this game if he had stomped on his face,
if he had pulled in Dominican sue and stomped him out.
(05:59):
I get all that, but this seems like there's a
little bit of, you know, that they can there's some
wiggle room here when it comes to Draymond Green. So
so he should be there for Game three, but who
the hell knows? All right, So here's the other story
we were talking about the top of the draft. We
talked about the odds saying c J. Stroud would be
number one over or c J. Stroud not be number
one overall anymore. It would be Bryce Young that shifted dramatically.
(06:21):
It feels like that's where that's going. Also some other
odds about where c J. Stroud could go because you've
got some other guys that are now favored ahead of
him at number two. Well, Nick Cassario, who's the general
manager of the Houston Texans. There were some reports, some
rumblings that Nick Cassario would be out after the draft,
so he spoke with the media yesterday and felt a
(06:43):
little bit agitated over just the rumors that he would
be gone. Here was the current Texans.
Speaker 9 (06:49):
GM boy, Frank, I'm almost embarrassed that I have to
say anything. I'm honest I feel like Leonardo DiCaprio on
the Wolf of Wall Street. But I'm not leaving. There's
never really been any substantiate discussions of the sort. Certainly,
it's been a joy to work with Demiko in concert
(07:09):
as we build the team and continue to build the staff.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
You know.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
Unfortunately, I think this time of year, there's a lot
of information and a lot of topics that are discussed.
Some are more accurate than others, and I think it
transcends multiple landscapes, but Canada. I'm honestly, I'm almost embarrassed
that I have to say anything, but I feel like
I have an obligation to make that statement.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
So have you looked at your record? What's your resume
in Houston?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Six? Where does the embarrassing come into? What?
Speaker 8 (07:49):
What's the ranking of this? I think he's seven six
and one. I mean, I'm embarrassed, is your record embarrassed?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He did inherit a bag of craft, though, Deshaun Watson,
in that whole situation that he walked into, he kind
of had to figure it out and basically decide can
they keep him? Are we trading him? And then they
had to unload him and try and startle over again.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
I mean, it wasn't he a part of the whole
one two deal with with Lovey and and uh the
other coach, that's correct, I mean you're on your third
he's on his third coach in how many years?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Three three years entering year three, entering year three, three
three coaches?
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Yeah, okay, And it's embarrassing to think that he has
to address the fact that whether he's going to have
a job or not. I mean, okay, I mean because
in most other businesses last I checked, and in normal
civilian life the world, and I know military doesn't like
when I say the normal civilian life, but in civilian life,
(08:53):
if you have the type of of resume that that
Caserio has in Houston, you don't have a job anymore.
If you're a high ranking official, and that is what
you're putting out there as a product over how many years?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
How many years? Four? Going into year.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Three three, you're going into year three with you can't say,
I mean, you guys, tell me. Can you say he's
taken this maybe now today you could say that, But
before today, can you say that he was definitively with
the decisions he was making taking this organization in the
right direction. Can we look at that and see a
(09:34):
correlation of here are the decisions that the GM has
made that seemingly is taking this team in the right
direction outside of the hiring of Demico rants No.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
But I think that he was just trying to figure
out a solution when it came to Deshaun Watson and
then go from there.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
He kind of jumped in at a pretty inopportune time,
right Like, I mean, you had a you know, a
quarterback that was accused or allegedly doing something we had
never seen before, and that was supposed to.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Be your franchise guy.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I don't know, I mean, it's he did a
great job during his time in New England. Ultimately, Bill
Belichick receives credit for all of that, since he's got
the final say there, but it's one of the reasons
why he made his way to Houston is he wanted
to be the guy and it came under difficult circumstances.
And now because of what's transpired with a new head
(10:30):
coach who has more power, it may not end up
working out that way. So it's again a tough spot
to be in for him. But I do like the
fact that he makes Jordan Belfourth kind of reference because
that's something that I think people relate to and fans
will kind of love because that's it's one of the
scenes that you recall from Wolf of Wall Street, like, Yeah,
(10:51):
that's my guy, that's my leader.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
You know, that's the guy won in there. You got
to drag him out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But in reality, I think the you know, if there's
one foot out the door, I would not be surprised
by that because the other thing is too. Like I
think every time you whether you're a head coach or
you're a front office executive, you take a job and
you get there and you might hear some concerns of
how bad things are, and then you get there and
you go, oh, no, this is not what I thought, or.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
This is worse.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Right, Like I always would wonder about Ron Rivera taking
the Washington commando's job.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
And you heard him say, it's like a level of relief.
Now relief, That's what I'm saying. Like, who uses that
word relief as a head coach?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I would love to hear, you know, just a raw
story of yeah, it was way worse than what I
thought it was.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Everyone finds it out.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And also, I would think part of the appeal, or
maybe the only appeal for Nick Casario to want to
take the Texans job is because he thought, well, at
least we've got a franchise quarterback who's under contract long
term because Deshaun Watson had just signed that extension. And
then he gets there, it's like, oh, by the way,
he's got a fetish and he goes to massage parlors
and there's gonna be like one hundred different accusations against
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him over the next several months.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Okay, that's fun.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm sure glad I left New England in some stability
to come over here. So I'm just wondering where did
these these stories start that he was going to be
gone after the draft, because I think Albert Breard hinted
at that as well too. It's not like people are
just making this up out of thin air? So where
did this stuff come from? Like there was even a name.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Someone within the organization linked it out well, just.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Like there was already a replacement. It was the forty
nine ers assistant GM, who was already looked at as
being the guy who was going to take over, Like.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
And why wouldn't he?
Speaker 8 (12:39):
I mean, honestly, why wouldn't If I'm Damiko Ryans, why
wouldn't you hire somebody that you know there would never
be any type of confusion or any type of bucking
within the ranks.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You know, if I'm the guy that Okay, I didn't
hire you, but I'm a carry over to this regime
and We've had little success while I've been here. Even
though you may have a great resume and a great background,
I'm still looking at it like I didn't hire you.
And if I have the ability, if I have the
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autonomy to actually be able to dictate who I'm hiring
at key positions, That's why ads lose their jobs when
coaches go to these schools and stuff like that, Like,
they lose their jobs because you don't want anyone or
anything that could undermine what it is that you're going
to bring to the table. If you're going to go down,
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you go down swinging with the people that you've brought in.
Like if I'm going into a foxhole, I don't want
to be in a fox hole with somebody I don't know.
I'm not putting my I'm not going back to back
with somebody I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
I may turn around, you might be facing me, you
know what I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
So why wouldn't if I'm Demico Ryans would Why wouldn't
I be thinking about bringing in somebody who helped me
build a one of the most elite defenses in in
the league.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Why wouldn't I do that? I mean, if Nick is
like go after the draft.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Like gangster, especially after an interview like this, right, like
who who doubled down and told him, Oh, don't worry
about your job safe And this is embarrassing in the
morning after the draft, get fired the day after the
draft after saying it's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
To even address it is embarrassing. That's why I don't like,
who's gonna make up these rumors? Like nobody's gonna just
make this up out of thin air? Like they had
to come from somebody within the organization, and no.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
One's come to his defense.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
No, no one.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Is right.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yeah's guy.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah, that's a good point. You out here all about
yourself here and crickets.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
You better start putting them putting them clothes in the bag,
better start popping the boxes out.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Just backing away from the situation.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Like Bob Bigdare's are in the corner, like Zipitous Coffee
giving him.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
A look cluck, yeah, buddy, all right, but he said,
as soon as this radio show is over, he's out
of here.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Jall.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
By the way, you can tell Nick Cassario has never
worked in radio because you don't get to say goodbye.
It's just like they call you afterwards, say yeah, that'll
do it.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
That was it for you?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, i'd you like your last show? What do you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
So you're definitely not going to see it coming, but
we will keep you posted as to how long is.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Not successful though, you know, if he's oblivious to what's
coming down to pipe or possibly you know, he's been successful,
so'll go for him.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Seven twenty six and one. I believe it is his
record after a couple of years, so it is Two
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Speaker 5 (16:02):
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Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Speaker 4 (16:18):
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Speaker 8 (16:24):
I would love the smoke, That's all i'mouna say. I
would love the smoke. I love to take a stay
about it on behalf.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
On the half a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
While grilling smoking or something.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Oh, grilling smoke in our row.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I'll say four to twenty is coming up, so.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Yeah, I would enjoy it. I would enjoy the grill
approach on this one.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I saw this on Instagram. I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They had a filing cabinet, like one of those tall
stacked filing cabinets, and so in.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
The bottom them draw they had the coals kind.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Of going to smoke it, and then at each drawer
above that they had a different meat in there. There
they were smoking all the way up out, and then
they punctured a hole in the top of the filing
cabinet to create like a little chimney to then let
the smoke billow out.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But that's how that's how they were smoking the meat.
So it was actually pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
By the way, I think people are stealing my idea
because I went to go buy some grill cleaner, got
to clean the grill. Almost burnt down the house over
the weekend because I realized they hadn't cleaned.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The grill in a while and all gone.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
All sold out. So it's grill season. People are getting
fired up for the grill season. Weather's starting to get
a little warmer air.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
I'll get a little contentious, and we could get a
little agitated and irritated with one another. But I ain't
cool when somebody else takes takes a shot. I just ain't.
I ain't okay with that. I'm gonna just let that
be made known. I ain't okay with it, and I
really do want to get on this grill, I really do.
I'm gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I really am.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
I really like, I really feel a certain type of
way to be honest.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I really do. Yeah, boy on a little bit there,
just a tab it wow.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
And I'm pretty good at this this this thing right here,
I'm pretty good at that. All right, all right, I'm
gonna breathe through it, though, because because that that hit me.
It hit me to like, it caught me off guard
and I'm sitting here, were joking and we laughing, and
then it gets all real when you start to hear
certain things take place.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Man, and you know, or the person that thought it
was a good idea to run that.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
Yeah, or the person that thought it was a good
idea to say we'll run with that, yeah, just to
say it in the first place, I just think that
that's just distasteful. I really do like that that there
was no taste involved in that.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So for people that are a legend, I mean, you
could be a legend in this game and make mistakes.
That was a mistake.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, for those of you that are that are wondering
what the hell's going on here? Just there was a
a promo from Dan Patrick talking about the draft and
Brady Quinn's draft status and his stock and all that stuff.
So very very interesting.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Some of the a lot of different lanes you could
go down and handling things and discussing things, and I
just that that was a miss.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
That was a miss for me. I would love to.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Look everyone's everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
They are, they are, And it's easier in retrospect to
base every you know, their opinion and say that when
things don't work out. But you know, the funny thing
to me is always that's like the most ignorant approach.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
It really is. That's and that's the point. It really
is an ignorant approach.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But for this reason in life, we all make decisions.
We're all going to make decisions today. What we do
and what we we usually use to justify those decisions
is the result. And the reality is it's it's not
always the result that determines if it was a good
decision or not. You can leave early for work and
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you could be set to be on time, but you
take a route that ends up going and it happens
to be under construction and guess what, it's backed up
all of a sudden, you hit a nail, you get
a flat tiw, you're late to work, your boss has
ticked off of you. I mean, you made a good
decision initially, you didn't know there was going to be
construction there. It's just how it worked out. But what's
going to end up happening in the end is you're
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going to look back and go, well, it's because I
took the wrong route, but you could have never known
there was, you know, gonna be construction there today, and
that there's gonna be a nail lying on the field
of the street that punctures.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
You're tired and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And so what I'm what I'm trying to portray to
people is it's easy to sound right after the fact,
but that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right or
wrong decision. It's called resulting, and it's more of a
poker term that people use or people using statistics. But
as you kind of take a deep dive into it,
humans we have to make decisions all the time without
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all the information, and there's obviously many facts that play
a role in whether something does or doesn't work out.
And that's why I always say, like I don't try
to point at one thing, and I always try to
highlight the fact that and LeVar, we've talked about this.
When something goes wrong, they're gonna blame the player. In
the players, it's he he would in this, or he
was a bus or you hear all the time this
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time of year. Every one of these guys who's getting
drafted is talented and capable enough of playing in the NFL.
They are like, bottom line is, they wouldn't be considered
to be a first round pick, a whatever it may be.
The truth of it is they're most likely going to
go into an organization that is not capable of helping
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them develop.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And people can say it's an excuse or whatever the
case is, but there's and then look, there's a few
that are so talented that they can overcome the issues
of that organization.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Mostly But the truth is we've all been there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
People have worked for crappy companies and they've been like,
I have no cho I don't even want to succeed
here because I don't want to have to work for
this guy, or it's a bad culture, environment, or or
there's there's no way I can succeed in this job.
I'm at my ceiling right now. I'm going to look
somewhere else. It's easier to do that in the working world.
It's not easier to do that in the NFL. You know,
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you've got to You've got to really push the envelope
on things. And that's the hard thing about you know,
playing professional sports. It's a blessing, it's the greatest thing
in the world. You get compensated a bunch for it,
but there's also a lot of things that impact your
ability to succeed and where you end up. Your situation
in circumstance is going to play the biggest impact of
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anything else.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And in Dan Patrick, in fairness to him, the promo
that was running it was DP talking to an established
quarterback who said Brady Quinn's accuracy is not going to
improve when he gets to the NFL, and Dan said,
you know, and that that turned out to be true,
although probably didn't include the disaster that was the Cleveland
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Browns and all the other stuff that went along with it.
And he talked about you falling in the draft. So
I think that's why we got a little bit a little.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Bit, and like, I'm just trying to breathe through it
because I don't want to get myself fired.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, And and the truth is, you know, so my
numbers from my junior year to my my senior year,
you don't have to just to be honest, well, but here,
but here's the narrative because I can recall all this
when it was going on, and this is what CJ.
Straud's dealing with right now. Like I remember being in
Arizona and hearing people be like, oh, you might be dropping,
it might be this, And I remember thinking to myself, like, dude,
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I've been busting my ass to prepare for my pro day,
rehabit my knee, all this stuff. I'm like, why would
I be dropping? Like what have I what game have
I played since then? And you know, people were like, oh,
the completion percentage from his junior year to a senior year.
I'm like, well, okay, let's let's like dive into that
a little bit deeper.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So we had my junior year, a player by the
name of Marie Stovall who just had an unbelievable season
that year in two thousand and five, breakout season, you know,
helped him get drafted and ended up converting from wide
receiver to tie into one point in his career. But
you know, really put him on the map and he
played that ex position or that kind of you know,
split end however you want to describe it, that we
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would try to isolate one on one. Bigger body guy
was just the perfect wide receiver as far as like,
would do anything you asked him to do, would be
where he was supposed to be, would change the route
when he needed to. He was just that type of player,
That type of guy he's coaching now, and God bless
him because he's got so much to share and so
much to give to kids. Well, we had Jeff Samarga
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who was there along with a guy named Raymy McKnight
and Ramon and Jeff were both kind of off the
ball slot, you know, type flanker type wide receivers. Well,
that next year Rayma decided to come back, and Jeff
had really emerged this kind of our off the ball
slot kind of flanker, a Z wide receiver, and so
then Rama, being that he was so good, we had
to put him at X.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
The problem is is Raymond was more used to kind
of running routes and really playing the way he did
at more of a Z, and they're just two different
positions as far as the routes you're asked to run,
the timing, and everything else that's incorporated with them. At
X there's much less of a chance with a lot
of the type of rhythm drops. For you to you
have to be on the same page. And it took
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Raymon and I a while to be able to kind
of work that out and in the course of the season,
and it was frustrating. I mean, it was frustrating for me.
I'm sure it was frustrating for Rama. And you know,
there was times where you kind of felt like you
felt bad because you know, you knew that if we
had someone else that could play X, and when we
actually went to our three wide receiver sets, we had
we had a guy named David Grimes who would play X.
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You know, he would run run out there and play
that spot and then Jeff and and Rama would be
on the other side. And so, yeah, there was some misthrows.
There are some timing elements of things that were off.
But that's what I'm saying is there's so many deeper
you know, issues that play a course or a factor
of what's happening out there in the field that relate
to the numbers. You know, our offensive line didn't play
as well my senior year as our junior year. You know,
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we had a freshman right tackle, Sam Young has played
for ever in the NFL, and you know, as good
as he was as a true freshman to start at
Notre Dame, you know him and Ryan Harris, who was
a freshman when I came in, that started as well.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You know, as a true freshman, you know, it's tough
to do.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You're going to go through some growing pains, and so
you saw, you saw a little bit of that, and
so we had to game plan around some of that.
So there's just there's all sorts of little things that
play a factor. And that's where that narrative started, was
a what was the what was the drop for this?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And all that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
And and so as far as accuracy goes, like I
would go up again, I'd put it myself up against
anyone throwing a football at targets whatever else. But when
you don't, when you're constantly in different systems and you don't,
you know, you're not as confident in where you need
to be looking and where you should be going within
that system. Because you've got, you know, a system for
two years, then you got another system your third year,
Then you have another system your fourth year, then a
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different variation that system your fifth year, and then back
to different system sixty year. It becomes hard, you know,
it becomes horrid when you can't build a foundation to
build off of that. That's why I always say, like situation,
some circumstance, because look at Tom Brady. Yeah, one system
is an entire year for the most part. Peyton Manning
brought his system from Indie to Denver, and I'm not
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putting myself in those categories, but you when you look
at the success they had and going different places, changing teams, it.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
All plays a role. It all plays a role. And
unless you're in those situations, and I think most.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Quarterbacks would attest to this, you don't really know.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
So that's why, Look, everyone's gonna have their opinion.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
As media pundits, we have to take a very polarizing
approach otherwise it doesn't stick. But you know, again, like
that's DP. Dp's a good dude. I've always enjoyed going
on their show.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
It is what it is. Everyone's going to have their
own opinion and that's what they get paid to do.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's funny, this just applies to the NFL Draft, just
like it applies to anything else. It feels like we're
at the point because you talk about CJ. Stroud and
then yourself and they're trying to find flaws and Brady
and c J. Stroud and all these other players. It's
like you may not always know what you want to eat,
but you always know what you definitely don't want to eat.
And it's almost like we're at the point where now
people are like, I definitely don't want that, and I
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don't like that, and I don't like that because it
makes their decision easier. So they're just xing things out
and that's how they're coming to the conclusion that that's
that's what they want. It's almost like you're you're finding
everything you dislike about somebody instead of focusing on all
the positives. And if you just go back to the
last time.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
We saw CJ.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Stroud play a college football game, he was the best
player on the field.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That is a fact.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Against Georgia with and Marvin Harrison going out change the
entire tenor of that game or else he's play there. Yeah,
like so the fact that we're now all of a
sudden looking at everything else and the stuff we don't
like about him except for the.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
I'm gonna just say this, when when you're at the
top of the hill, and as it applies to the
NFL Draft, there are a handful there could be sometimes
just a hand for less than a handful of people
in the draft that are at the top of a hill.
And in some years you can have maybe two handfuls
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of people that are standing on the top of this
hill of the NFL Draft. And once you see them
at the top, you look at all sides of that
heill and the rest of the draft class is at
the bottom. And it doesn't matter if they get drafted
in the first round, second round, so and so forth, undrafted,
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free agent. They're all in the same pool, whether you
want to whether people want to admit it or not,
there are only a certain handful if you really take
a good hard look at every draft that ever takes place,
there are only a handful of players that drive the draft.
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So there's a reality check right there. Ye, no doubt,
there's a reality check right there. And if you're understanding
what I just said to you, to go at and
and to have that type of take on somebody who's
driving the draft, it's like you said, it's the polarizing effect, right,
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it's the it's the polarizing approach. It's it's not to me,
it's not. It wasn't the tasteful approach. You can have
an opinion, you can have you know, you can have
responses to and and and for for it to be
you that that that they chose, Like, I just felt
like that's just was way too convenient just because of
the proximity.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
And the nature of what we do. But the bottom line,
I get it.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
But the bottom line is is that you did what
you were supposed to do where you are a legend
and a long lasting figure connected to the university that
you came from, and you helped drive that draft. So
at the bare minimum, to sit there and for us
to be on this right here where you hear something
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like that, that that really bothered me.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
That that just it bothered me. That's that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I appreciate you saying that. Again, everyone's entitled their own opinion.
It's just it's funny to me, look at a guy
like Josh Allen, right, at no point did he ever
eclipse sixty percent completion percentage?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
What was the big what was the big question about
him coming out of right?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Did he have a good enough all let's just let's
just look at Yeah. Yeah, they said he changed.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
They said he changed is his throwing technique and that's
what made him the pro he is now.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's right, because it took him three years to change
that throwing motion, right, same system, same offensive coordinator, you know,
three years, you know, really starting into his third year.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
But what was the big change in his third year.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
His throwing technique?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
No, Stephan Diggs?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they got Stephan Diggs his
third year and guess what crazy, I mean, it just
so happens his completion percentage goes up.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
And that's the hard thing is.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know, when I go look back at the team
I got drafted into, when you had guys like Brylon Edwards,
you had guys like Kellen Winslow, those guys. I didn't
get to play much with those guys. All my starts
basically came my third year when those guys were gone
and you had rookies out there starting and so there's
a lot of other things too, like you can look
at and point to. But again it's not convenient. It
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takes more effort. You have to dive into stuff, you
have to actually look at this. And so that's why again,
completion percentage is one of the stupidest arguments you can
make for accuracy, because all that tells me is that
person's lazy.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
They never looked at the tape.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
They didn't look out actually to see if there was
accuracy there, or if there's issues, or what type of
windows they are throwing into. There's so many things that
play a factor in what accuracy actually is.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
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If we posted up shortly after we.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
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Speaker 3 (34:12):
Two pros in a cup of show what you to know?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Please?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Or it there out?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
All right? Lead to lap? What do we got? It's
an important day for everyone listening. It is tax day. Guys.
Are you in or out on taxes? Come on? What
don't know? I'm in? I think on tut on taxes.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
Man.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I think it's important to pay your taxes. There you go, Yeah,
there you go. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes. I
just sometimes don't like to see what they're going to fund.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Yeah. Else.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Remember Crazy Cabby. He was a radio host in New York.
He was a regular on Howard Stern Show. He went
on Howard Stern Show and was bragging about how he
hadn't paid his taxes in like three years. Yeah, and
did a couple of years in prison just because he
said that on the air.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Did Wesley Snipes like not believe paying tax or something?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
And then he believed in having to do that time
absolutely absolutely before after Blade. That was after Blade.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
But he believed because he was Blade that that he
was fighting crime and you know all these these dark
uh you know.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Type of vampires, so he didn't have to pay the tax.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
It was all downhill after white men can't jump. Nothing
was ever the same. That's the role. That was his role.
Nothing was ever the same after that?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
What else we got? Lee? Guys? Nobody talks crackers more
than this show? And it is National animal cracker Day?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Are you guys enter out on animal crackers?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
And racist? Yeah? Thank you? You know what you know?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
It's great about animal crackers, like the little box they
come in with a little like the holder got my
son some animal crackers not long ago, threw them on
the floor.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Not interested as a racist? What am I supposed to do?
Not get them animal crackers? All right? Racist?
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Right?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You Brady on animal crackers now, Brady Quinn there yeah, Brady,
little drop technical difficulties.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
All right, little drop, droppy drop? What else we got?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Lee?
Speaker 12 (36:30):
That was?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
It's also National kickball Day? Do you guys remember kickball?
I was really good at it too, I wasn't. I
was good at kickball. I used to kick them home
runs or get them in kick home in park? Kick? Uh?
What was a home run? Would you ask for the
rollie or the bouncy?
Speaker 9 (36:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Really?
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I need some bounce to it so I could get
some air under it.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Right, You got a better opportunity as a pitcher with
the bouncy You know, you can catch you. You know
what I mean that Rolye.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
You're just there. You just gotta be able to get
up under it. It's a good point, man, Yeah, I
hear you. They had home runs where I played too.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Hit the wall above North Hills, you and I, Man,
it was Manchester shouts out to the north Side.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
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