May 15, 2023 • 35 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the NBA is sure to want a LeBron led Lakers vs the Celtics in the Finals, but in the meantime, enjoy some big man ball between Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokic. NFL scheduling quirks include the Jets playing 10 games in their home stadium and Ja Morant doesn’t understand his platform and may lose it after brandishing a gun for the 2nd time this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a Cup
of Joe with Lamar Erings, rading Win, and Jonas Knox
on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So we talked about the NBA playoffs. The conference finals
are set. It is a rematch of the Bubble. You've
got the Nuggets, You've got the Lakers, you've got the Celtics,
you've got the Heat. Everybody looking forward to this one.
But it does feel like if the NBA had its preference,
you'd get a Boston LA Final, correct, Like if the
NBA could pull some strings here and try and get it,
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you know the ratings. Yeah, I get Lebron in the finals,
especially as a Laker against the Boston Celtics. Like this
does feel like this is the direction the NBA would
hope that it would go.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Like it feels like that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
What's unfortunate about that is that I feel like the
Miami Heat have been totally disrespected in all this. Like
Brady's Miami Heat, the team that is swept over South Florida,
the team with the Florida Panthers that has really put
South Florida back on the map for some good things.
And I'm looking at the odds for not only just
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the NBA Finals, but to win their series. And Miami,
who just played Boston last year took them to a
game seven last year in the Eastern Conference Finals, is
a plus four hundred to win that series. Meanwhile, the
Lakers are almost at about even money at plus one
point thirty or at least close to even money when
it comes to winning their series. And with everything we've
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seen from Boston and their inconsistency and they're up and down,
I don't understand how anybody's picking against Miami at this point.
I don't know why Miami's not getting the respect they
deserve and sitting as clearly by far and away, the
team with the longest odds to win the NBA Championship
based on this run that they've been on, and Jimmy
Butler and Eric Spolstra, it feels like a little bit
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of disrespect towards the Miami heat.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He asked me, That's what it feels to me, Pat.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
What were they there in the course of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They were to very good during the course of the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I mean even head to head, like how that
match up?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
What were they?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Three to one? They played four times.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I forget what the matchup was, but the Celtics I
think got the best of them during the course of
the regular season. And I know Miami's got the injuries.
But you know, like they say, the NBA playoffs is
different than the NBA regular.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Season, all right?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Different? Who says that exactly?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know a bunch of people. It just sort
of regurgitated.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I don't know a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There's a lot of people who like to regurgitate things
that don't make sense in the NBA playoffs. Like my
favorite is when the discussion goes who's got most who's
got most of the pressure, who's feeling more of the pressure?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Like, where's the pressure on? Isn't everybody feeling pressure?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
It's the play Well they're two and two. I believe
they split over the course of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I feel like Miami deserves a little bit more
love than they're actually getting, and they're not getting that love.
I know the NBA would like Boston, they would like
the Lakers in the finals. I get all that, but
I think that the Miami Heat deserves some respect and
they're not getting that damn respect.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So it's unfortunate. I'm doing my best.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I think what's more interesting was the news of Monty
Williams getting let go by the Suns. I mean, when
you think about the fact that you know, bolden Holzer
got let go as well many Williams, who outside of
the first season he took over his head coach in Phoenix,
they'd been to at least the conference semi finals. I mean,
they lost obviously in the finals the second year there,
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and then it's been back to back years losing in
the Conference semis And I know people are probably gonna
be critical of me saying that, but like Durant.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Just got there this season.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
It wasn't like they had as much time to be
able to make this whole thing work and really gel
and develop that sort of chemistry. I would at least
like to see them give it another year and then
see if you can't. You know, they've got everyone under contract,
and so if you can't put a team around it
that can be a championship team, then you make that decision.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But Matt Ishbie clearly.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Wanted to, you know, being a new owner of the team,
wanted to move on and pick his guy, which we'll
see how that works out in the long run.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I just I think that was a mistake. I think
they had a good coach.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
They let a good coach go, and I'm I'm sure
they'll find someone who's more than capable. But it's almost
like in the NBA anymore, you know, unless you're winning
an NBA's final, NBA Finals, it doesn't matter, like like
nothing is good enough, especially if you have a superstar.
And meanwhile, you look at someone like Boston, who you know, drafted,
developed Jason Tatum, you know, put pieces out around him,
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or Miami, who brings in Jimmy Butler continues to put
pieces around him. You know, there's not as much ever
pressure on Eric Spolstra. I mean Joe Mezzlua, like you know,
he took over that job in a different way. But
it's almost like if I'm a head coach, I don't
know that I want a superstar because I feel like
that immediately comes with the pressure of winning a championship
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and depending on our run in the playoffs, you know,
it's like nothing's good enough outside of that.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And it's a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's Monty Williams's fault that Kevin Durant turned his
ankle and lay up lines before his first game, or
that Chris Paul has an injury every single Playoffs seemingly,
and DeAndre Ayten's had his issues. I mean, Monty Williams
was Coach of the Year and now he's out of
a job.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It doesn't Joker made Aiden quit that series, Like I mean,
people may not want to, you know, acknowledge that that
man didn't want to deal with him. Not one more minute,
not one more second. I'm gonna sit these ribs down
on this this bench and I'm gonna watch this game
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like I'm gonna watch this final game. I'm gonna watch
us lose this final game. DeAndre Aiden and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
The name, right, Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, for all of the clout that he received for
how well he played in Playoffs passed, the Joker made
a joke of him in this last series and it
was you were going to need him to be Aiden,
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to be that guy in the series. Not only was
he not that guy, but they brought it to them
so bad that this dude ended up sitting out the
last game. That's wild to me. So when I when
I think about the heart of this Phoenix, team. I don't,
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you know, I won't say if the head coach isn't
to blame or is the blame or whatever. All I'll
say is they found themselves in an an adverse situation,
a seriously adverse situation, and they totally, they totally disappeared
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in it. And I felt like that was the same
that was the same for for Golden State.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
These were two.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Teams in my opinion, that lacked heart and lack the
the intestinal fortitude to be in a series where it
got physical, where the adversity was We're getting banged like
this is this is one of them bang up type
of series that's gonna take place. And you know what,
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the bang up teams ended up winning, which I wouldn't
even thought that would have been the Lakers, but it
ended up being them. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
I am super pumped up to see the Joker and
a d go ahead to head. I am super pumped
up to see that because you're not gonna have any
any no one's gonna back down in this series, and
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for what it's worth, you're gonna have the same, exact,
the same exact chippy type of play in the Miami.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Celtics series as well.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
But this out West one with Denver and the and
the Lakers, that's gonna be that's gonna be a tale
of the tape man. But not having guys like up
for the challenge of a physical type of downright nasty
series that's going to take place. That could have been
the reason why he ended up losing his job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
When you have two coaches who met in the finals
and Budenholzer and Monty Williams. A couple of years ago,
Monti Williams had just won Coach of the Year and
now he's out of a job as well too. When
both those guys have been canned, it's kind of a
bad look for I would say, for just the profession.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
As you were laying out, Brady, and just.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like coaching and all that, it just it feels like
the NBA has told you it is about superstar players
and coaches are replaceable, and yet you look at Miami
man Eric Spolstra. Everyone wants to say, well, I mean,
anybody could coach Lebron and that team do an NBA championship.
You see what he's done since then, and they stuck
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with him and he's been fantastic, and he's had that
team in a finals in the bubble, He's had that
team in conference championships.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Miami's got a ton of injuries right now.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oladipo's knee, Tyler Hero has been the cast. It's not
like they're walking around full health. And Eric Spolster's got
them playing at a high level. And yet you look
at some of these other teams like a Phoenix, like
a Milwaukee and it's what have you done for me lately?
And guys just get clipped. It's crazy, Like I just
I don't know how that's a good look for anybody
in the NBA, or how if you're a coach in
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the NBA you're seeing this and going all right, yeah,
I'll sign up with that like that, that's something I want.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It just it feels odd to me.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
But it feels at times too, the primary portion of
the job is almost making sure the.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Star is happy.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah, you know, we talked about earlier, just the impact
of an NBA superstar versus a superstar as a quarterback
or whatever the sport, and the impact they have on
the outcome of the game. I mean, you know, to me,
there's probably no greater impact than a superstar in basketball
in regards to their outcome of the game, and it
seems like instead of it being schematic or it being
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a partnership, it's almost like it's at times of daycare service,
like you're kind of baby sitting to make sure that
that superstar is happy, he's got all the things he wants.
You know, you mentioned before or maybe I don't know
if as LeVar mentioned it talk about the roster construction
for the Lakers and how at some point Rob Polinka
had to you know, not listen or not care what
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Lebron thought and bring in a bunch of guys.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Who were the right pieces.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I mean, there's a period of time where Lebron wasn't
gonna be able to come back this season, but apparently
due to his superhuman health and recovery, he was able
to make it back. Or did it have to do
so that he put out there right or I'm curious,
or did that have to do with the fact that
he was watching these pieces come together and went, wait
a second, like this team could play like if I'm
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back in the mix with this squad, like we can
go win a championship.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I've done this before.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I've seen how this works, and I think maybe that
light went off in his head, thinking like this, this
is actually a really good spot, this is actually a
really good team. You start looking arond the the league,
going maybe we do have a realistic shot of going
in there and making some.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Noise, because it was it was Lebron James who wanted
Russell Westbrook, like that was his idea. And then Polinko's like,
all right, this is not working, like I gotta I
gotta make moves. We got to add add some guys,
and he did. And then because remember the conversation about
Lebron the Lakers this year was him winning the scoring
or breaking the scoring record, like that was really the
big discussion. And then all of a sudden, Anthony Davis
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started to come back to health and and they picked
it up. But yeah, it's it's an odd time to
be a coach in the NBA, but it's going to
be a fun time as we get ready. And I'm
with you, LeVar A d versus Joker. That's old school basketball,
when the big man mattered, you know, like that's that's
old school back in the day. You know, Shaq versus
Kim Elijah On Like when the big man was dominant
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in the league, so we're gonna get a little bit
of that in the Western Conference Final. It's going to
be a lot of fun to watch. And Game one
for the Western Conference Finals tips off tomorrow night. Game
one in the Eastern Conference tips off on Wednesday, So
a lot of stuff to discuss when it comes to
those matchups.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Throughout the course of.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
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Speaker 2 (12:17):
Somebody that is making moves under the radar, moves just
kind of wheeling and dealing. Just a team that everybody's forgetting,
everybody's overlooking. Are those Miami Dolphins. We mentioned the Miami Dolphins.
Potentially they're being snow during during Dolphins games back in
the eighties. Obviously, we talked about the heat, We talked
about the Go CAATs, the Panthers, we talked about all
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the success there, all the fun stuff. The Miami Dolphins
made a move signed Isaiah Win, former offensive tackle for
the New England Patriots former first round draft pick from
the Patriots. He is now a Miami Dolphin. And this
is a team that feels like to me is sort
of getting overlooked. The Jets are getting a lot of love.
The Bills are getting some attention. Obviously, we know about
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Kansas City, we know about Cincinnati, but I think people
forget that if not for the injury to a Tugue
by Loa, we could be having a whole different conversation
about what the power rankings are, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
In the AFC.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
They did play Buffalo tight every single time they played him,
including in the playoff game in which they were playing
with the backup quarterback. It kind of feels like Miami's
not maybe getting the love maybe they deserve heading into
this season.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Well, isn't a lot of that just surrounded by the
concern over you know, to his health and if he
can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, but if he does stay healthy and he was
doing judo this offseason, that feels like we are optimistic
about the future.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
To a tugue by Loah, What do.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You mean mean every quarterback is not to what judo
in the.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Off season, Like, yeah, I mean his coach didn't even
know he called a jiu jitsu. It is judo, as
we do confirm on the show.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But yeah, I actually h had my daughter in judo
for a minute.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean she was kind of working on you know,
tossing people and her throws. She she quickly really like,
this is one of the fun things about being a
parent is when you do it to other people, it's fun.
When they do it back to you, not as fun.
And so she wanted to take a break. Although she
has she keeps encouraging me to want to go back
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to it. So I keep trying to like wrestle with
her a little bit and make sure she's like mentally
tough enough to handle that as a little six year old.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But I digress. You know, the wind signing is interesting.
Look at the roster. Just look at how.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Many first round picks former first round picks, like how
much talent they have. I mean Chris Greer And if
you go back to the power struggle between him and
Brian Flores, which it appeared Chris Greer went out. Obviously
there's a lot of allegations made by by Brian Flores
on his departure, and it was a bit odd because
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you know, Brian Flores had success there, especially for a
first time head coach. That was a competitive football team,
and you know, however it ended up, it seemed my
career one out. And he has done maybe next to
Howie Roseman and a couple others you've thrown into that conversation,
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maybe Brett Veach, but about those three have been as
good as anyone at constructing rosters and being able to
sustain it, at least in the short term. The past
few years, they have got some ridiculous talent on that
roster and they've been able to make moves to put
them in this position. So he deserves a ton of
credit for just even giving the Miami Dolphins fans, I mean,
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superstars at every point. And now it's just about whether
or not Tua can stay healthy and if he can,
man that AFC East is going to be so much
fun to watch this year. If Tua can replicate for
seventeen games what he was able to do during his
time he was healthy last year.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Which one is probable or which one is more improbable?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Because to me, I think it's more were probable that
Toua doesn't stay healthy, and I think that I don't know.
I feel bad saying it, but if I'm just being honest,
if it's the first thing, the first thing that comes
to mind when I hear it to his name is
can he stay healthy?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like and I didn't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I feel like he's earned that, Like that's not I
don't think like it's being unfair. I just think that
it's been earned. And then now the question becomes because
these this is one of those things I don't. I
don't And as a quarterback, maybe you could speak to
this a little bit better, que, but I don't know
what that that mechanism is in a QB. That where
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there are certain qbs that just don't really allow people
to get to them. They just don't like and it's
not like, oh they're they're completing a pass every single time.
They're just not going to allow themselves to get physically
accosted by a defender. So they'll slide, they'll throw the
ball away, they'll do whatever it needs to be done
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to not.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Take hits from defenders.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
But then there's others that it's just it's you know,
that's they're going to make the contact, The contact is
going to take place. They're they're going to for one
reason or another. Uh, they're going to have that contact
with defenders.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They all get hit.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
All quarterbacks are going to get touched at some point,
but there's just some that it's like he's going to
do something and he's going to get like he's going
to get flung. And then now it's like is this
that moment? And I just feel like that's too. Tua's
going to scramble, he's going to move outside of the pocket,
he's going to move around, and there are going to
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be times where defenders get an opportunity to fling him
around and that's when it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I remember people saying that about Sam Bradford when Sam
Bradford had the shoulder issues coming out of college, that
they said, he doesn't land right, Like there's something awkward
about he lands. Is that kind of what you're saying
about Tua? Like when he lands, it seems like he
does slam his head, Like there there's something different about
the way he lands and gets tossed to the ground.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
There's not very much room between his head and his feet,
you know what I mean, Like he's not the tallest guy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Well, wouldn't be worse if he was taller. It'd be
like a lot longer way to smack that against. There
might be other things.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
That rock Osswaller be out there like it could cuss
all the time.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Well he hit his he'd hit like his hip or
his excellently. He hit like his back off, like like
Glennon would hit like his neck off of the ground
like that fall awkwardly.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean, Davis Mills has a pez dispenser that he
doesn't catch.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
To Mike Glennon, they might hit his neck off the
ground first.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, all right, Davis Mills. Some guys are like that.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
He said he has a pass hit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Pez dispenser that I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Here's all I say is just some guys are more
gracefully than others, and some guys do a better job
of protecting themselves before they even get to that point.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But LaVar, you bring up the point of just getting
the ball out of your hand before any contact gets
to you. That there's something to a lot of the
guys who've played into their late thirties and into their forties.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
They know where the ball is going, you know that
they know post snap?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Can you know are able to confirm or excuse me,
they know pre snap, able to confirm post snap where
the ball should be going, and the ball's out, they're
not holding on to it, trying to extend a player
make it more than it needs to be. And the
tough thing is, unless you have guys who can separate,
guys who can make a test to catches, you know,
superstars around you on those rosters, it's hard to be
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able to compete because the guys who are having success
right now are all quarterbacks who will extend plays.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And that's you know, you know, usually when when.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You're when you're a quarterback comes in the league, you
used to always thought like, oh that was like a
young man's game, like that's college. Because you can't survive
like being able to run an extend plays in the NFL.
Eventually you're gonna get hurt. And and now it's to
the point where that may be the case. But we've
got a window of time where where guys like patch
for Hurt Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, you know, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,
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Lamar Jackson, mean, anyone you talk about, if they want
to extend to play, they can extend to play. Yeah,
they're gonna take off with their legs and they're gonna
they're gonna scramme around the pocket, make something happen. And
and look, Burrow has already had an acl I mean,
you know, Lauramar Jacks got hurt a little.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Bit last year. You can go on through kind of
the years and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But it's just a different mentality, I think, because part
of the mentality you're talking about is you have to
throw football away, and quarterbacks now they don't want to
do that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
They're not taught to do that or trained to do that.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
They're they're trying to maximize every play and they're not
gonna do that to hurt the stats either.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We've talked about that before, were like that.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
No one really throws footballs away unless they're literally on
the sideline. They've exhausted all efforts, but they're just kind
of thrown it out of bounds like that.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
At least not a lot of the younger generation quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'd love to know how much faster Tom Brady's release
was or how much quicker he got rid of the
football after his knee injury, Like I wonder if that
was a sort of a split in his career where
he realized, you know, this can happen, this can change
the course of my future. And I got to get
rid of the ball faster. Because when we were in
Arizona and we were at dinner, I remember asking Jesse Luketta,
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Levar's guy who plays for the Cardinals, what it was
like playing against Brady.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He said he couldn't believe how fast the ball was gone,
Like you'd get off the edge. It's just it's done,
he goes. I don't know how anybody gets to him.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
The only problem with that is, I want to say
he suffered his knee injury. I believe before their perfect
season that went into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right, it was the year after.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It was the very next year after, Yeah, very next year,
first game of the season, Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Because I was trying to I was trying to think,
like they would just take shots downfield.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
There was It seemed like there was so.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Much more plaction pass at that point in time of
the New England Patriots, and then they like evolved into
more of like a spread it out, get the ball
out quick and spread the football around like towards the
like act post twenty ten, like once they got him
to that point and that's where you sort of notice
the ball was coming out lightning fast, whereas early on
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it was like all right, some screens, some drop back,
but a lot of US play action pass and like
shots downfield. It just felt like it was like two
you know, two different you know, styles of offense almost
you know during his time in New England.
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Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let's talk about this incident that popped up over the
course of the weekend. Oh, Joah Morant, he has been
suspended from all team activities for the Memphis Grizzlies because,
wait for it, he flashed a hand cannon again on
his buddy social media account. This was after remember, he
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had to go see treatment and get counseling. He was
seen spending fifty thousand dollars at a strip club during
the course of the season and getting lap dances. He
also had an altercation with like a seventeen year old
at his house over a pickup basketball game. He threatened
a security guard who apparently gave his mom some attitude
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a mall in Memphis. So there's a lot going on
with jam Rant. But apparently the counseling sessions did not
go well because he just decided, you know what, I'm
gonna throw a piece up on my buddy social media
and see how that plays.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So not an ideal situation.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
The type of piece, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't know what kind of kind of gun that is.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know what, kyliber it was.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Didn't get a clear look. Oh yeah, all I know
is it's called a hand cannon canon.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, But again, he's.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Just immature, man. I mean, he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
He's as talented as you can get and he's just immature.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I hope, for his sake, for the.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Organization, the fans who are big job Morant fans, that
he figures it out sooner rather than later, because some
of this stuff may seem trivial to folks out there,
but usually what this leads to is sometimes a tragic
event where someone does something stud or you know, something
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small like this then escalates and becomes something bigger.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
So look, again, he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He's he's smart enough and has been around long enough
to know the things he shouldn't be doing. But for
whatever reason, he just doesn't prioritize it or doesn't feel
like it's it's it's necessary.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know when he's going to get a wake
up call.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
It's it's sad to see someone who is so talented
and so good just not be able to understand it.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And get it.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
And I wish I wish you could get you know, players,
and obviously, you know, a guy like Lebron is still
trying to play for a championship, so he doesn't give
a crap about what John Moran's doing. But you know,
you wish there could be some older players who'd reach
out and maybe they already have right, Like, I don't
know what those private conversations are, but so much try
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to mentor him and say, look, young man, you've got
you know, so much ahead of you. Don't waste it,
you know, hanging around with people who enable this sort
of behavior. And again it wasn't his own you know,
ig live if I'm not mistaken, it was his the
guy he was with. Yeah, and I said this the
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first time we had to miss you is one of
the hardest things to do. And sometimes, you know, one
of the hardest things to do for the player is
to look around you and realize, you know, you can't
bring everyone with you to the dance. When you make
it in the professional league, there's some people you have
to leave behind because they're bad influences or they don't
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have your best interest in mind.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You know, he's the one that's.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Made it, and he's trying to obviously, you know, still
have fun and being around people that I'm sure has
been he's been around for a while. But those guys
also have to be responsible to not only for themselves,
but for him, Like that's kind of part of the pact.
Like when when when when one of your boys makes it.
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Part of it is you will have to look out
for him now too, even when it's not in his
best interest.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's just an unwritten rule amongst boys when you make
it that far. And that's the that's the upsetting thing
to me. I just it's the old sayd right, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,
you know.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
And and and it's just kind of like the first
time should have been that should have been mortifying to him,
to have him holding a firearm, playing around with a
firearm surface, that should have been the real kind of like,
let me tighten up, because I don't I don't want
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to sacrifice all my hard work, you know, the things
that I've been able to accomplish. I just got the
Kyrie deal. You know, they went away from Kyrie IRV
and they they go to you know, John Morant. You
gotta you gotta fully guaranteed you know, contract with your
your your team. It's just for me to to want
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to to embrace a lifestyle that's really truly built off
of survival, like what he's portraying in in these in
these videos, the people that he's around, you know, that's
not that's you're nowhere near that life. That's not that's
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not your life, it's not your lifestyle. So it's kind
of like, I just don't understand why it's so important
for a kid that never grew up that way two
to continue to bring that bring that type of bring
that type of attention his way. I just don't. I
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don't get it. Like you in the car, Yeah, yeah, y'ah.
You know y'all doing what you're doing, and you start,
you flash it like and it was quick, you know
what I mean? Like it was. It was definitely the
flash of it was quick. But my whole thing is,
you did it, y'all. It posted. It was a live.
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It's just so people know it was a live. But
if you if you on gang gang time like that
and you banging gang and the people around you are
banging gang.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
With you, you're calling your your cat, calling that element to
come your way. And while you may not be about
that life and your homies may be more about that
life or still in that life and still moving around
in that life, you're going to find yourself in.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
A real situation.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
And and you kind of touched on it little bit, Q,
You're gonna find yourself in one of these moments where
you chilling at the house and it's okay to be,
you know, homies with the homie that you grew up with,
and y'all still got y'all. You know y'all y'all's affiliations
and and and how y'all y'all represent one another and
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keeping it real like this isn't how I grew up,
but these are my homies.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Over here. Somebody might run up in that house.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Somebody might run up on that car, Somebody might run
up in that strip joint, somebody might run up in
that restaurant. Because when you when you live in by
those rules and you're living in that that environment, there's
no there's no telling when something that is going on
may pop off. That's street life. You are not a
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street life person. But the more you continue to to
identify with it, the more you you entertain and you
you flash it and you put it out there, you're
putting your making the target on you even bigger. You're
making it even bigger on you. And so for me,
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and and just seeing it like they in the car
this time, so you're not in the strip club this time,
you're in the car and y'all, y'all y'all banging to
your your music and y'all doing what cats do on
their lives and on their tiktoks and all this their
social media videos on on gang, you're gonna have to like,
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at some point, you might have to be on gang.
And I just don't understand for the life of me,
and I've lost I've lost family members to gang violence
like this is I'm not just don't don't think for
two seconds. I'm just talking like one of my favorite
cousins died. Cryp. My family are crips. I grew up
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on crip thats ain't for fake and it ain't a game.
So if for any reason, for some strange reason, being
a two hundred million dollar man, you got some weird
obsession with trying to be a street dude, man, I
just don't.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I don't know what to do. I don't know what's
to be said to a kid like that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You know, it's so puzzling about the whole thing, the
lifestyle and the people he's trying to emulate, would do
anything to have what he has, and it's like he
doesn't even realize it. If you were to ask any
of those people he's trying to emulate any of the
people on the street, like the bar the people you
talked about that you know that you've either grown up
with or in your family. If you said, hey, you
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can have that, or you can have two hundred million
dollars in the bank, a half billion dollar career and
go play basketball for a living. Oh and by the way,
you're one of the best in the world. They would
trade all of that to go have with job warrant.
And he's sitting there flashing guns on ig live in
the middle of the because he wants.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
To be like you calling for that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
You keep calling for the energy that you put out
there is the energy that's going to eventually it's going
to find you. It's going you're going to connect with it.
You're calling for that energy and and you know what,
you know what else, just real quick that that I
think what would be pretty interesting to just note.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You're in a car, you're in a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
How many people you think are taking notice of the
fact that he flashed a gun in a vehicle. So
now now it's not only about about gang gang on gang.
Now it's about if you get stopped on a on
a routine traffic stop. Maybe those those police officers saw
this video. Okay, maybe maybe this was something that was
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was observed because it's a big ass story. And now
you get pulled over and you see that John Morant
is sitting in the in the passenger side of that seat.
Are you t me if I if I didn't, if
I saw this, this article, I saw this story that
I'm not on full alert knowing that this this there
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could be a firearm in the car.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So what happens next?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
And then now all of a sudden, now we have
this whole thing, right, this thing starts to roll and
turn into something a whole nother thing. It builds in
and morphs and evolves into something entirely different based off
of what.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So it's not just the streets.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
That could catch up to you being this dude that
he continues to pull his gun out, and and this
time he wasn't holding it like he was holding it
in in the strit club. He was holding it differently.
This time he's holding that he's he's got, he's strapped
up holding it this time. So I just you know,
to me, it's it's wrong, And and and and furthermore,
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I'm not even looking at it from his person I'm
looking at it from the NBA's perspective, and I'm looking
at it from from his team organization's perspective. You could
sit there and tell Dylan Brooks that we're definitively moving
on from you, we don't want this in our organization anymore,
and he will not be coming back.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Well, what are you going to do with John Morant?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Because at some point, you've got to prove that that
being a good person, being a person that that's an
employee of your company, matters more than their talent, their
talent level on what they bring to your organization. And
the NBA needs to think about it that way, and
so do the Memphis Grizzly.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So we talked about the NBA playoffs. The conference finals
are set. It is a rematch of the Bubble. You've
got the Nuggets, You've got the Lakers, you've got the Celtics,
you've got the Heat. Everybody looking forward to this one.
But it does feel like if the NBA had its preference,
you'd get a Boston LA Final, correct, Like if the
NBA could pull some strings here and try and get it,
(00:36):
you know the ratings. Yeah, I get Lebron in the finals,
especially as a Laker against the Boston Celtics. Like this
does feel like this is the direction the NBA would
hope that it would go.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Like it feels like that's where we're at.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
What's unfortunate about that is that I feel like the
Miami Heat have been totally disrespected in all this. Like
Brady's Miami Heat, the team that is swept over South Florida,
the team with the Florida Panthers that has really put
South Florida back on the map for some good things.
And I'm looking at the odds for not only just
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the NBA Finals, but to win their series. And Miami,
who just played Boston last year took them to a
game seven last year in the Eastern Conference Finals, is
a plus four hundred to win that series. Meanwhile, the
Lakers are almost at about even money at plus one
point thirty or at least close to even money when
it comes to winning their series. And with everything we've
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seen from Boston and their inconsistency and they're up and down,
I don't understand how anybody's picking against Miami at this point.
I don't know why Miami's not getting the respect they
deserve and sitting as clearly by far and away, the
team with the longest odds to win the NBA Championship
based on this run that they've been on, and Jimmy
Butler and Eric Spolstra, it feels like a little bit
(01:52):
of disrespect towards the Miami heat.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He asked me, That's what it feels to me, Pat.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
What were they there in the course of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They were to very good during the course of the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, I mean even head to head, like how that
match up?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
What were they?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Three to one? They played four times.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I forget what the matchup was, but the Celtics I
think got the best of them during the course of
the regular season. And I know Miami's got the injuries.
But you know, like they say, the NBA playoffs is
different than the NBA regular.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Season, all right?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Different? Who says that exactly?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know a bunch of people. It just sort
of regurgitated.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I don't know a bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There's a lot of people who like to regurgitate things
that don't make sense in the NBA playoffs. Like my
favorite is when the discussion goes who's got most who's
got most of the pressure, who's feeling more of the pressure?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Like, where's the pressure on? Isn't everybody feeling pressure?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
It's the play Well they're two and two. I believe
they split over the course of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I feel like Miami deserves a little bit more
love than they're actually getting, and they're not getting that love.
I know the NBA would like Boston, they would like
the Lakers in the finals. I get all that, but
I think that the Miami Heat deserves some respect and
they're not getting that damn respect.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So it's unfortunate. I'm doing my best.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I think what's more interesting was the news of Monty
Williams getting let go by the Suns. I mean, when
you think about the fact that you know, bolden Holzer
got let go as well many Williams, who outside of
the first season he took over his head coach in Phoenix,
they'd been to at least the conference semi finals. I mean,
they lost obviously in the finals the second year there,
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and then it's been back to back years losing in
the Conference semis And I know people are probably gonna
be critical of me saying that, but like Durant.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Just got there this season.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
It wasn't like they had as much time to be
able to make this whole thing work and really gel
and develop that sort of chemistry. I would at least
like to see them give it another year and then
see if you can't. You know, they've got everyone under contract,
and so if you can't put a team around it
that can be a championship team, then you make that decision.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But Matt Ishbie clearly.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Wanted to, you know, being a new owner of the team,
wanted to move on and pick his guy, which we'll
see how that works out in the long run.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I just I think that was a mistake. I think
they had a good coach.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
They let a good coach go, and I'm I'm sure
they'll find someone who's more than capable. But it's almost
like in the NBA anymore, you know, unless you're winning
an NBA's final, NBA Finals, it doesn't matter, like like
nothing is good enough, especially if you have a superstar.
And meanwhile, you look at someone like Boston, who you know, drafted,
developed Jason Tatum, you know, put pieces out around him,
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or Miami, who brings in Jimmy Butler continues to put
pieces around him. You know, there's not as much ever
pressure on Eric Spolstra. I mean Joe Mezzlua, like you know,
he took over that job in a different way. But
it's almost like if I'm a head coach, I don't
know that I want a superstar because I feel like
that immediately comes with the pressure of winning a championship
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and depending on our run in the playoffs, you know,
it's like nothing's good enough outside of that.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And it's a tough spot.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's Monty Williams's fault that Kevin Durant turned his
ankle and lay up lines before his first game, or
that Chris Paul has an injury every single Playoffs seemingly,
and DeAndre Ayten's had his issues. I mean, Monty Williams
was Coach of the Year and now he's out of
a job.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It doesn't Joker made Aiden quit that series, Like I mean,
people may not want to, you know, acknowledge that that
man didn't want to deal with him. Not one more minute,
not one more second. I'm gonna sit these ribs down
on this this bench and I'm gonna watch this game
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like I'm gonna watch this final game. I'm gonna watch
us lose this final game. DeAndre Aiden and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
The name, right, Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Yeah, for all of the clout that he received for
how well he played in Playoffs passed, the Joker made
a joke of him in this last series and it
was you were going to need him to be Aiden,
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to be that guy in the series. Not only was
he not that guy, but they brought it to them
so bad that this dude ended up sitting out the
last game. That's wild to me. So when I when
I think about the heart of this Phoenix, team. I don't,
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you know, I won't say if the head coach isn't
to blame or is the blame or whatever. All I'll
say is they found themselves in an an adverse situation,
a seriously adverse situation, and they totally, they totally disappeared
(06:49):
in it. And I felt like that was the same
that was the same for for Golden State.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
These were two.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Teams in my opinion, that lacked heart and lack the
the intestinal fortitude to be in a series where it
got physical, where the adversity was We're getting banged like
this is this is one of them bang up type
of series that's gonna take place. And you know what,
(07:18):
the bang up teams ended up winning, which I wouldn't
even thought that would have been the Lakers, but it
ended up being them. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
I am super pumped up to see the Joker and
a d go ahead to head. I am super pumped
up to see that because you're not gonna have any
any no one's gonna back down in this series, and
(07:40):
for what it's worth, you're gonna have the same, exact,
the same exact chippy type of play in the Miami.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Celtics series as well.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
But this out West one with Denver and the and
the Lakers, that's gonna be that's gonna be a tale
of the tape man. But not having guys like up
for the challenge of a physical type of downright nasty
series that's going to take place. That could have been
the reason why he ended up losing his job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
When you have two coaches who met in the finals
and Budenholzer and Monty Williams. A couple of years ago,
Monti Williams had just won Coach of the Year and
now he's out of a job as well too. When
both those guys have been canned, it's kind of a
bad look for I would say, for just the profession.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
As you were laying out, Brady, and just.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like coaching and all that, it just it feels like
the NBA has told you it is about superstar players
and coaches are replaceable, and yet you look at Miami
man Eric Spolstra. Everyone wants to say, well, I mean,
anybody could coach Lebron and that team do an NBA championship.
You see what he's done since then, and they stuck
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with him and he's been fantastic, and he's had that
team in a finals in the bubble, He's had that
team in conference championships.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Miami's got a ton of injuries right now.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oladipo's knee, Tyler Hero has been the cast. It's not
like they're walking around full health. And Eric Spolster's got
them playing at a high level. And yet you look
at some of these other teams like a Phoenix, like
a Milwaukee and it's what have you done for me lately?
And guys just get clipped. It's crazy, Like I just
I don't know how that's a good look for anybody
in the NBA, or how if you're a coach in
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the NBA you're seeing this and going all right, yeah,
I'll sign up with that like that, that's something I want.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It just it feels odd to me.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
But it feels at times too, the primary portion of
the job is almost making sure the.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Star is happy.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yeah, you know, we talked about earlier, just the impact
of an NBA superstar versus a superstar as a quarterback
or whatever the sport, and the impact they have on
the outcome of the game. I mean, you know, to me,
there's probably no greater impact than a superstar in basketball
in regards to their outcome of the game, and it
seems like instead of it being schematic or it being
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a partnership, it's almost like it's at times of daycare service,
like you're kind of baby sitting to make sure that
that superstar is happy, he's got all the things he wants.
You know, you mentioned before or maybe I don't know
if as LeVar mentioned it talk about the roster construction
for the Lakers and how at some point Rob Polinka
had to you know, not listen or not care what
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Lebron thought and bring in a bunch of guys.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Who were the right pieces.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I mean, there's a period of time where Lebron wasn't
gonna be able to come back this season, but apparently
due to his superhuman health and recovery, he was able
to make it back. Or did it have to do
so that he put out there right or I'm curious,
or did that have to do with the fact that
he was watching these pieces come together and went, wait
a second, like this team could play like if I'm
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back in the mix with this squad, like we can
go win a championship.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I've done this before.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I've seen how this works, and I think maybe that
light went off in his head, thinking like this, this
is actually a really good spot, this is actually a
really good team. You start looking arond the the league,
going maybe we do have a realistic shot of going
in there and making some.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Noise, because it was it was Lebron James who wanted
Russell Westbrook, like that was his idea. And then Polinko's like,
all right, this is not working, like I gotta I
gotta make moves. We got to add add some guys,
and he did. And then because remember the conversation about
Lebron the Lakers this year was him winning the scoring
or breaking the scoring record, like that was really the
big discussion. And then all of a sudden, Anthony Davis
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started to come back to health and and they picked
it up. But yeah, it's it's an odd time to
be a coach in the NBA, but it's going to
be a fun time as we get ready. And I'm
with you, LeVar A d versus Joker. That's old school basketball,
when the big man mattered, you know, like that's that's
old school back in the day. You know, Shaq versus
Kim Elijah On Like when the big man was dominant
(11:48):
in the league, so we're gonna get a little bit
of that in the Western Conference Final. It's going to
be a lot of fun to watch. And Game one
for the Western Conference Finals tips off tomorrow night. Game
one in the Eastern Conference tips off on Wednesday, So
a lot of stuff to discuss when it comes to
those matchups.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
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Speaker 7 (12:03):
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Speaker 2 (12:17):
Somebody that is making moves under the radar, moves just
kind of wheeling and dealing. Just a team that everybody's forgetting,
everybody's overlooking. Are those Miami Dolphins. We mentioned the Miami Dolphins.
Potentially they're being snow during during Dolphins games back in
the eighties. Obviously, we talked about the heat, We talked
about the Go CAATs, the Panthers, we talked about all
(12:39):
the success there, all the fun stuff. The Miami Dolphins
made a move signed Isaiah Win, former offensive tackle for
the New England Patriots former first round draft pick from
the Patriots. He is now a Miami Dolphin. And this
is a team that feels like to me is sort
of getting overlooked. The Jets are getting a lot of love.
The Bills are getting some attention. Obviously, we know about
(13:02):
Kansas City, we know about Cincinnati, but I think people
forget that if not for the injury to a Tugue
by Loa, we could be having a whole different conversation
about what the power rankings are, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
In the AFC.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
They did play Buffalo tight every single time they played him,
including in the playoff game in which they were playing
with the backup quarterback. It kind of feels like Miami's
not maybe getting the love maybe they deserve heading into
this season.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Well, isn't a lot of that just surrounded by the
concern over you know, to his health and if he
can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, but if he does stay healthy and he was
doing judo this offseason, that feels like we are optimistic
about the future.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
To a tugue by Loah, What do.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You mean mean every quarterback is not to what judo
in the.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Off season, Like, yeah, I mean his coach didn't even
know he called a jiu jitsu. It is judo, as
we do confirm on the show.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
But yeah, I actually h had my daughter in judo
for a minute.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean she was kind of working on you know,
tossing people and her throws. She she quickly really like,
this is one of the fun things about being a
parent is when you do it to other people, it's fun.
When they do it back to you, not as fun.
And so she wanted to take a break. Although she
has she keeps encouraging me to want to go back
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to it. So I keep trying to like wrestle with
her a little bit and make sure she's like mentally
tough enough to handle that as a little six year old.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But I digress. You know, the wind signing is interesting.
Look at the roster. Just look at how.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Many first round picks former first round picks, like how
much talent they have. I mean Chris Greer And if
you go back to the power struggle between him and
Brian Flores, which it appeared Chris Greer went out. Obviously
there's a lot of allegations made by by Brian Flores
on his departure, and it was a bit odd because
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you know, Brian Flores had success there, especially for a
first time head coach. That was a competitive football team,
and you know, however it ended up, it seemed my
career one out. And he has done maybe next to
Howie Roseman and a couple others you've thrown into that conversation,
(15:10):
maybe Brett Veach, but about those three have been as
good as anyone at constructing rosters and being able to
sustain it, at least in the short term. The past
few years, they have got some ridiculous talent on that
roster and they've been able to make moves to put
them in this position. So he deserves a ton of
credit for just even giving the Miami Dolphins fans, I mean,
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superstars at every point. And now it's just about whether
or not Tua can stay healthy and if he can,
man that AFC East is going to be so much
fun to watch this year. If Tua can replicate for
seventeen games what he was able to do during his
time he was healthy last year.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Which one is probable or which one is more improbable?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Because to me, I think it's more were probable that
Toua doesn't stay healthy, and I think that I don't know.
I feel bad saying it, but if I'm just being honest,
if it's the first thing, the first thing that comes
to mind when I hear it to his name is
can he stay healthy?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like and I didn't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I feel like he's earned that, Like that's not I
don't think like it's being unfair. I just think that
it's been earned. And then now the question becomes because
these this is one of those things I don't. I
don't And as a quarterback, maybe you could speak to
this a little bit better, que, but I don't know
what that that mechanism is in a QB. That where
(16:41):
there are certain qbs that just don't really allow people
to get to them. They just don't like and it's
not like, oh they're they're completing a pass every single time.
They're just not going to allow themselves to get physically
accosted by a defender. So they'll slide, they'll throw the
ball away, they'll do whatever it needs to be done
(17:02):
to not.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Take hits from defenders.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
But then there's others that it's just it's you know,
that's they're going to make the contact, The contact is
going to take place. They're they're going to for one
reason or another. Uh, they're going to have that contact
with defenders.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They all get hit.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
All quarterbacks are going to get touched at some point,
but there's just some that it's like he's going to
do something and he's going to get like he's going
to get flung. And then now it's like is this
that moment? And I just feel like that's too. Tua's
going to scramble, he's going to move outside of the pocket,
he's going to move around, and there are going to
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be times where defenders get an opportunity to fling him
around and that's when it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I remember people saying that about Sam Bradford when Sam
Bradford had the shoulder issues coming out of college, that
they said, he doesn't land right, Like there's something awkward
about he lands. Is that kind of what you're saying
about Tua? Like when he lands, it seems like he
does slam his head, Like there there's something different about
the way he lands and gets tossed to the ground.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
There's not very much room between his head and his feet,
you know what I mean, Like he's not the tallest guy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Well, wouldn't be worse if he was taller. It'd be
like a lot longer way to smack that against. There
might be other things.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
That rock Osswaller be out there like it could cuss
all the time.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Well he hit his he'd hit like his hip or
his excellently. He hit like his back off, like like
Glennon would hit like his neck off of the ground
like that fall awkwardly.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean, Davis Mills has a pez dispenser that he
doesn't catch.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
To Mike Glennon, they might hit his neck off the
ground first.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, all right, Davis Mills. Some guys are like that.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
He said he has a pass hit.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Pez dispenser that I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Here's all I say is just some guys are more
gracefully than others, and some guys do a better job
of protecting themselves before they even get to that point.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But LaVar, you bring up the point of just getting
the ball out of your hand before any contact gets
to you. That there's something to a lot of the
guys who've played into their late thirties and into their forties.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
They know where the ball is going, you know that
they know post snap?
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Can you know are able to confirm or excuse me,
they know pre snap, able to confirm post snap where
the ball should be going, and the ball's out, they're
not holding on to it, trying to extend a player
make it more than it needs to be. And the
tough thing is, unless you have guys who can separate,
guys who can make a test to catches, you know,
superstars around you on those rosters, it's hard to be
(19:48):
able to compete because the guys who are having success
right now are all quarterbacks who will extend plays.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
And that's you know, you know, usually when when.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You're when you're a quarterback comes in the league, you
used to always thought like, oh that was like a
young man's game, like that's college. Because you can't survive
like being able to run an extend plays in the NFL.
Eventually you're gonna get hurt. And and now it's to
the point where that may be the case. But we've
got a window of time where where guys like patch
for Hurt Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, you know, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen,
(20:22):
Lamar Jackson, mean, anyone you talk about, if they want
to extend to play, they can extend to play. Yeah,
they're gonna take off with their legs and they're gonna
they're gonna scramme around the pocket, make something happen. And
and look, Burrow has already had an acl I mean,
you know, Lauramar Jacks got hurt a little.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Bit last year. You can go on through kind of
the years and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But it's just a different mentality, I think, because part
of the mentality you're talking about is you have to
throw football away, and quarterbacks now they don't want to
do that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
They're not taught to do that or trained to do that.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
They're they're trying to maximize every play and they're not
gonna do that to hurt the stats either.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
We've talked about that before, were like that.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
No one really throws footballs away unless they're literally on
the sideline. They've exhausted all efforts, but they're just kind
of thrown it out of bounds like that.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
At least not a lot of the younger generation quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'd love to know how much faster Tom Brady's release
was or how much quicker he got rid of the
football after his knee injury, Like I wonder if that
was a sort of a split in his career where
he realized, you know, this can happen, this can change
the course of my future. And I got to get
rid of the ball faster. Because when we were in
Arizona and we were at dinner, I remember asking Jesse Luketta,
(21:30):
Levar's guy who plays for the Cardinals, what it was
like playing against Brady.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He said he couldn't believe how fast the ball was gone,
Like you'd get off the edge. It's just it's done,
he goes. I don't know how anybody gets to him.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
The only problem with that is, I want to say
he suffered his knee injury. I believe before their perfect
season that went into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Right, it was the year after.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It was the very next year after, Yeah, very next year,
first game of the season, Okay.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Because I was trying to I was trying to think,
like they would just take shots downfield.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
There was It seemed like there was so.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Much more plaction pass at that point in time of
the New England Patriots, and then they like evolved into
more of like a spread it out, get the ball
out quick and spread the football around like towards the
like act post twenty ten, like once they got him
to that point and that's where you sort of notice
the ball was coming out lightning fast, whereas early on
(22:23):
it was like all right, some screens, some drop back,
but a lot of US play action pass and like
shots downfield. It just felt like it was like two
you know, two different you know, styles of offense almost
you know during his time in New England.
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Speaker 2 (23:17):
Let's talk about this incident that popped up over the
course of the weekend. Oh, Joah Morant, he has been
suspended from all team activities for the Memphis Grizzlies because,
wait for it, he flashed a hand cannon again on
his buddy social media account. This was after remember, he
(23:39):
had to go see treatment and get counseling. He was
seen spending fifty thousand dollars at a strip club during
the course of the season and getting lap dances. He
also had an altercation with like a seventeen year old
at his house over a pickup basketball game. He threatened
a security guard who apparently gave his mom some attitude
(24:00):
a mall in Memphis. So there's a lot going on
with jam Rant. But apparently the counseling sessions did not
go well because he just decided, you know what, I'm
gonna throw a piece up on my buddy social media
and see how that plays.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So not an ideal situation.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
The type of piece, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't know what kind of kind of gun that is.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
You know what, kyliber it was.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Didn't get a clear look. Oh yeah, all I know
is it's called a hand cannon canon.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, But again, he's.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Just immature, man. I mean, he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
He's as talented as you can get and he's just immature.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I hope, for his sake, for the.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Organization, the fans who are big job Morant fans, that
he figures it out sooner rather than later, because some
of this stuff may seem trivial to folks out there,
but usually what this leads to is sometimes a tragic
event where someone does something stud or you know, something
(25:02):
small like this then escalates and becomes something bigger.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
So look, again, he's twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He's he's smart enough and has been around long enough
to know the things he shouldn't be doing. But for
whatever reason, he just doesn't prioritize it or doesn't feel
like it's it's it's necessary.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know when he's going to get a wake
up call.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
It's it's sad to see someone who is so talented
and so good just not be able to understand it.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And get it.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
And I wish I wish you could get you know, players,
and obviously, you know, a guy like Lebron is still
trying to play for a championship, so he doesn't give
a crap about what John Moran's doing. But you know,
you wish there could be some older players who'd reach
out and maybe they already have right, Like, I don't
know what those private conversations are, but so much try
(25:58):
to mentor him and say, look, young man, you've got
you know, so much ahead of you. Don't waste it,
you know, hanging around with people who enable this sort
of behavior. And again it wasn't his own you know,
ig live if I'm not mistaken, it was his the
guy he was with. Yeah, and I said this the
(26:18):
first time we had to miss you is one of
the hardest things to do. And sometimes, you know, one
of the hardest things to do for the player is
to look around you and realize, you know, you can't
bring everyone with you to the dance. When you make
it in the professional league, there's some people you have
to leave behind because they're bad influences or they don't
(26:38):
have your best interest in mind.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You know, he's the one that's.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Made it, and he's trying to obviously, you know, still
have fun and being around people that I'm sure has
been he's been around for a while. But those guys
also have to be responsible to not only for themselves,
but for him, Like that's kind of part of the pact.
Like when when when when one of your boys makes it.
(27:05):
Part of it is you will have to look out
for him now too, even when it's not in his
best interest.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's just an unwritten rule amongst boys when you make
it that far. And that's the that's the upsetting thing
to me. I just it's the old sayd right, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,
you know.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
And and and it's just kind of like the first
time should have been that should have been mortifying to him,
to have him holding a firearm, playing around with a
firearm surface, that should have been the real kind of like,
let me tighten up, because I don't I don't want
(27:51):
to sacrifice all my hard work, you know, the things
that I've been able to accomplish. I just got the
Kyrie deal. You know, they went away from Kyrie IRV
and they they go to you know, John Morant. You
gotta you gotta fully guaranteed you know, contract with your
your your team. It's just for me to to want
(28:15):
to to embrace a lifestyle that's really truly built off
of survival, like what he's portraying in in these in
these videos, the people that he's around, you know, that's
not that's you're nowhere near that life. That's not that's
(28:36):
not your life, it's not your lifestyle. So it's kind
of like, I just don't understand why it's so important
for a kid that never grew up that way two
to continue to bring that bring that type of bring
that type of attention his way. I just don't. I
(28:56):
don't get it. Like you in the car, Yeah, yeah, y'ah.
You know y'all doing what you're doing, and you start,
you flash it like and it was quick, you know
what I mean? Like it was. It was definitely the
flash of it was quick. But my whole thing is,
you did it, y'all. It posted. It was a live.
(29:18):
It's just so people know it was a live. But
if you if you on gang gang time like that
and you banging gang and the people around you are
banging gang.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
With you, you're calling your your cat, calling that element to
come your way. And while you may not be about
that life and your homies may be more about that
life or still in that life and still moving around
in that life, you're going to find yourself in.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
A real situation.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
And and you kind of touched on it little bit, Q,
You're gonna find yourself in one of these moments where
you chilling at the house and it's okay to be,
you know, homies with the homie that you grew up with,
and y'all still got y'all. You know y'all y'all's affiliations
and and and how y'all y'all represent one another and
(30:17):
keeping it real like this isn't how I grew up,
but these are my homies.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Over here. Somebody might run up in that house.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Somebody might run up on that car, Somebody might run
up in that strip joint, somebody might run up in
that restaurant. Because when you when you live in by
those rules and you're living in that that environment, there's
no there's no telling when something that is going on
may pop off. That's street life. You are not a
(30:50):
street life person. But the more you continue to to
identify with it, the more you you entertain and you
you flash it and you put it out there, you're
putting your making the target on you even bigger. You're
making it even bigger on you. And so for me,
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and and just seeing it like they in the car
this time, so you're not in the strip club this time,
you're in the car and y'all, y'all y'all banging to
your your music and y'all doing what cats do on
their lives and on their tiktoks and all this their
social media videos on on gang, you're gonna have to like,
(31:35):
at some point, you might have to be on gang.
And I just don't understand for the life of me,
and I've lost I've lost family members to gang violence
like this is I'm not just don't don't think for
two seconds. I'm just talking like one of my favorite
cousins died. Cryp. My family are crips. I grew up
(31:57):
on crip thats ain't for fake and it ain't a game.
So if for any reason, for some strange reason, being
a two hundred million dollar man, you got some weird
obsession with trying to be a street dude, man, I
just don't.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I don't know what to do. I don't know what's
to be said to a kid like that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You know, it's so puzzling about the whole thing, the
lifestyle and the people he's trying to emulate, would do
anything to have what he has, and it's like he
doesn't even realize it. If you were to ask any
of those people he's trying to emulate any of the
people on the street, like the bar the people you
talked about that you know that you've either grown up
with or in your family. If you said, hey, you
(32:43):
can have that, or you can have two hundred million
dollars in the bank, a half billion dollar career and
go play basketball for a living. Oh and by the way,
you're one of the best in the world. They would
trade all of that to go have with job warrant.
And he's sitting there flashing guns on ig live in
the middle of the because he wants.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
To be like you calling for that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
You keep calling for the energy that you put out
there is the energy that's going to eventually it's going
to find you. It's going you're going to connect with it.
You're calling for that energy and and you know what,
you know what else, just real quick that that I
think what would be pretty interesting to just note.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
You're in a car, you're in a vehicle.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
How many people you think are taking notice of the
fact that he flashed a gun in a vehicle. So
now now it's not only about about gang gang on gang.
Now it's about if you get stopped on a on
a routine traffic stop. Maybe those those police officers saw
this video. Okay, maybe maybe this was something that was
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was observed because it's a big ass story. And now
you get pulled over and you see that John Morant
is sitting in the in the passenger side of that seat.
Are you t me if I if I didn't, if
I saw this, this article, I saw this story that
I'm not on full alert knowing that this this there
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could be a firearm in the car.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
So what happens next?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
And then now all of a sudden, now we have
this whole thing, right, this thing starts to roll and
turn into something a whole nother thing. It builds in
and morphs and evolves into something entirely different based off
of what.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So it's not just the streets.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
That could catch up to you being this dude that
he continues to pull his gun out, and and this
time he wasn't holding it like he was holding it
in in the strit club. He was holding it differently.
This time he's holding that he's he's got, he's strapped
up holding it this time. So I just you know,
to me, it's it's wrong, And and and and furthermore,
(34:58):
I'm not even looking at it from his person I'm
looking at it from the NBA's perspective, and I'm looking
at it from from his team organization's perspective. You could
sit there and tell Dylan Brooks that we're definitively moving
on from you, we don't want this in our organization anymore,
and he will not be coming back.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Well, what are you going to do with John Morant?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Because at some point, you've got to prove that that
being a good person, being a person that that's an
employee of your company, matters more than their talent, their
talent level on what they bring to your organization. And
the NBA needs to think about it that way, and
so do the Memphis Grizzly.
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