May 16, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Peacock pays big time in order to get exclusive streaming rights to the Saturday night Wildcard game this season. Matt Ryan commits to being a CBS Analyst but is he a Hall of Famer? And Jets DT Quinnen Williams is the latest star to use social media as a negotiating tactic.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Box
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling here on a Tuesday morning?
Real good, real strong, real smooth man, Yeah, real smooth.
How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You know, just we're hanging out here just watching the
NFL change every single day.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It feels like there's a new change in the NFL.
How you feel something new, how you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I get it, but it does kind of make you
long for the old days when things were simpler. You know,
like there there was a simpler time and then technology
got in the way, and technology decided, you know, we're
going to make things a little bit more complicated in
the moment, but there's going to be a lot on
the back end as far as revenue goes. That makes
a lot of sense. So, as Eddie Garcia mentioned in
(00:52):
his top of the Hour update, there was an announcement
yesterday that the NFL announced that Peacock the streaming service,
we'll get the right. We'll get the right to air
the Saturday night wild Card game this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Now it is uh is that Joe Paterno no it's
kind of funny because they kind of sound just alike. Yeah,
they do. You know, I live around where I live
there are at least one hundred peacocks. Oh yeah, where
I live in Glendora. Yeah. So, and it's a mating
(01:31):
season right now. Oh, they get after so you see
all the big the big tails are up, the tail
feathers are up, and they're just out there like it's
like what they really sound like people? Now, let me
ask you. It's kind of interesting. Sounds like they're saying
help every once in a while. That is that is
(01:55):
that early on in the act or is that later
on in the act that they start making them know?
It's actually before, during and not after. Oh that's the
maiden call. They're not very loud after Okay, no, after
they run them down, once they corner them and run
them down. Yeah, they don't. They don't be They don't
be saying maybe to have the other one be saying help.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But you know, i'll tell you something that's something that
I can get behind. Yeah, take a nap coop? Yeah right,
if they have a cigarette, what's.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Wrong with you? They take They're gonna take a nap coop.
They're gonna lay it right on down right there. Yeah,
that was great. How was it for you? You know,
it's crazy. They lose their they lose their tail feathers
after after they do the deal too, like shot them
shot the whole tale. You know the big long tail
(02:43):
that they have that opens up and you know, yeah,
that big long tail. Yeah, they lose it. They lose
it gone, they got they gone, part of the sacrifice.
I mean it is something though humans. Humans have bumble
and tender and peacock just make noises, yeah, and put
their feathers up. That's their app like, look how big
(03:04):
my feathers are. Swipe this. They're bigger than his. Look
look how little his feathers are. That's why I'm gonna
put my feathers up and I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Well, they inspired a streaming service, they did so, so
there is that. So they're not they're not just there
hanging out the peacock.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, shouts out to peacock. Good luck out there, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's a it's a tough wor a lot of competition
in Glendora if you want to get after it a bit.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But this morning, did you Yeah, hasn't been eating? He
was a big one too. He's been eating good. Yeah,
he's a big boy. Yeah yeah. Ones by my house
don't eat all that good. Yeah, no, he was. He
looked like a wolf. He's eating real good. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
No one's by my house. Whenever it's foggy out, they
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start to roam. I've noticed that when he gets.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Foggy out, they start roaming, which is a little bit creepy,
but nonetheless. As far as this wild Card game, yeah,
Saturday night, let's get to it. So it's the first
ever exclusive live stream playoff game. It's going to follow
the Wildcard game that airs on NBC, and it's going
to take place January thirteenth at eight Eastern time.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And so you look at it, you go, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Those So those are all the details, the first and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But what does this mean revenue wise?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Because we know that the NFL is trying to gear
up towards streaming, we know that this is a big
part of where this is all headed. So according to
the Wall Street Journal, it's a one year deal, with
the league receiving approximately one hundred and ten million dollars
for this game. So one game on a streaming service
(04:44):
after some animals that are mating in Glendora, and the
NFL is going to get one hundred and ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And you could say.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Whatever you want about the NFL and Roger Goodell and
all the stuff that took place early on in his
time as commissioner, but they have figured out a way
to turn everything.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Into a money maker. And it is amazing to say
a game one game, one game right now, Like in
the I saw in the early nineties the TV rights
for the entire NFL. This is early nineties when listen,
(05:23):
the NFL was moving. I mean that was early great
players all early nineties. I think it was like four
hundred million for one game to stream in January, and
the NFL is going to generate one hundred and ten
million dollars according to this report from the Wall Streets.
You're amazing, Like, did you ever think that it would
get to this point to where the NFL could turn
some little thing on your phone, this little square on
(05:45):
your phone that you would hit and click on and
the ability to watch that would turn into one hundred
and ten million dollars in their pocket for a playoff. Well,
it's it's uh, that's where it's going. That's where all
of this is going, and it's only going to get
more expensive. It's it's only going to become more exclusive
content because it's it's all about you know, the device,
(06:09):
like you said, the device that's going to play on.
The networks that are giving you the service. I mean,
they're going to be the ones that that really you know,
they win in this environment because everything is going to
be consumed by your cell phone. Everything, Like there's not
like we're to the point now, we are really to
(06:31):
the point now where And it's so crazy to me
because it opens up like delaying to a whole nother
you know, level of conversations where it's like not even
it's not even sports driven, it's just like, you know,
like life driven and like where where the hell are
we right right now? And that's the whole idea of
(06:51):
everything you need is literally in your phone. Ye, Like
I go in my phone. Twenty minutes later, somebody's pulling
up to my house right with food whatever, whatever. I mean,
you can order whatever and they bring it to your door.
(07:13):
There's no like like the the exchange has already taking place.
You don't have to use a credit card, you don't
have to have your your license on you pretty much anymore.
Like it all is in your phone. Like that to me,
is that like the wildest thing ever? Yeah, like that,
(07:33):
your phone, that device becomes the most important part of
your life. Like if you ask anybody what is the
most what is the most important important device or important
thing that you need, some people will say their pocket book,
you know, their briefcase, Like I don't. I don't know
who wouldn't say their phone today?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Like I remember, in certain parts of the country, if
you go to obviously a big city, like you could
walk out in the street and just throw your thumb
up and throw your hand up and you can get
a cab right away. And I remember one of the
things growing up out here or in Thousand Oaks where
I was at, there was no real cab service, so
if you needed a ride, somebody was just gonna have
(08:15):
to be designated driver.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
H Well, we had jitneys where I come from. My
granddad and his homeboys were jitneys. Shots out to all
the jitney drivers out there. That was a jitney. Yeah,
you know, it's cultural, Okay, it was a jitney. What
is a jitney? It was like a cabby, but it's
like Uber before Uber. Okay, so and you would obviously
plan ahead and call ahead for that. Well, they were
(08:38):
neighborhood neighborhood like old heads. Okay, so you you had
you called a number and one of the old heads
come get you to take you there.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I just remember, we would have to somebody would
either have to be d d or you would hope
that the walk wasn't too long, or if you were
out at a bar celebrating somebody's twenty first birthday. That's
just the way it was. I couldn't have a back
in the day, just saying oh, you need a ride here,
take my phone and you click a button. You don't
even have to make a phone call. You click your button.
(09:07):
It's a computer in your hand, sitting in your pocket,
and next thing you know, fifteen twenty minutes later, you've
got to ride home.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, like just the whole way.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Things have changed and the NFL's figured out the way
to take advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And that's I think that's the point of bringing it
and tying it all together, is they have figured out
how to monetize, to bring value in a one of
the most turbulent, one of the quickest evolving and growing
and changing spaces, which is the digital space. The digital
(09:44):
age is going to replace television, like televisions are are
going to become obsolete like television. I can't believe. It's
the wildest thing. I am still a big screen type
of guy. The bigger the screen, the better for me.
If I could create gate a screen that was as
big as this this window to the control room, I
(10:06):
would create a screen that big to put my house like,
that's my Like, I love the viewing pleasure of what
my programming is on a big screen. To think that
this generation that's it's like, it's like what, like why
(10:29):
do you need this? Like why does this even matter?
And so now as as we continue to transition into
a day where you will consume your content and everything else,
it's just going to be consumer driven through your your
your mobile devices. The NFL has continued to evolve and
(10:50):
adapt to the changes and the signs of the time.
And the more you get connected to how how this
technol in this world will work in the digital world,
the better off you're going to be. And and that's
why if you look at how how much gambling is
is picking up, why would you not pick up on gambling.
(11:14):
Why would you not continue to allow it to become
more and more legalized when that's it's almost it's it's
always been synonymous with sports anyway, so now with technology,
it's even more synonymous, and it's and it's fun and
it's a part of the game, and it's driving a
(11:35):
lot of what's going on. So you're just looking at
elements that are really really going to drive and push
sports like and entertainment like football into a whole nother
It's going to go into a whole nother stratosphere. Man.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It It's why I always say you can listen to
the show on the iHeartRadio app, because it gives you
the option you get out of your car. Are you
listening on the radio you just pop on your phone,
or if you just want to continue listening on your
phone the entire time, You've got that option too.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Man. Back in the day, like that's not how it
was like. You would have to have your car on. Yeah,
you gotta have your car on.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You'd have to trust the you know, the Wi Fi
connection or the internet connection from the streaming.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, to check that's the antenna. Yeah, But if you
wanted to listen to out of market radio. If you
wanted to listen to sports radio in another city, you
had to hope that the website had a legitimate link
that you could listen to or and now all of
that is available to you. And the NFL has just said,
all right, so if everybody's going to be on this
thing anyways, let's slowly pre all the market and that
(12:37):
while we're at it, we'll take one hundred and ten
million dollars for your trouble. The Big the Big ten
is doing it too. It told me why ten is
going to be on uh NBC and Peacock as well
and Notre Dame Football Like that's it's bruh. I'm telling you.
If you're paying attention, the digital space is that's where
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everyone is. Yeah, you got a fish, where to fish are?
You know? And that's where that's And that's why the
market is trying to figure out how it's gonna you know,
where it's going. Where are the marketing dollars going? Where's
everything going? Because you know, everything is trending digital. Yeah,
it's going to be interesting to see the next phase
(13:20):
of the NFL and the next evolution of NFL viewing
and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
This news came out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Matt Ryan Matty Ice last scene being one of the
fall guys not named Jim Irsay in Indianapolis for the
disaster that was the Indianapolis Colts. Matt Ryan is going
to be joining CBS as an analyst this upcoming season,
but quick to point out that he is not retiring.
This is not a retire message that he posted on
(14:01):
social media. He is going to be an analyst though,
maybe trying to keep his options open. But there's also
the speculation that maybe this is a little bit more
about business, that if he wants to get the money
owed to him by the Indianapolis Colts, he's got to
at least give the perception that he's trying to find
work elsewhere. Otherwise, the cole if he announced his retirement,
(14:23):
they don't have to pay him that extra twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But nonetheless it's only twelve million. Yeah, you know, no
big deal.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Matt Ryan potentially and most likely we've seen the end
of Matt Ryan as an NFL quarterback. And I would
simply just ask you, this is he a Hall of
Famer based on these credentials. Won an MVP, four Pro Bowls,
he was an All Pro, he was the Offensive Player
(14:52):
of the Year, he was Rookie of the Year. He's
top ten in passing yards all time and top ten
in passing touchdowns all time. But that Super Bowl loss
was so devastating and so catastrophic. I think there's gonna
be some people that would say, no, that he's not.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
A Hall of Famer. I mean, he's not a first
ballot Hall of Famer. He's not a get in anytime
soon Hall of Famer. But I think he has Hall
of Fame credentials. Now, you said how many All Pros?
He was an all one time first team All Pro.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He might be a little deficient there. You said four
Pro Bowls, Yeah, four Pro Bowls. He might be a
little deficient there. MVP. I mean that that that checks
off a box that how many percentage of players in
the Hall of Fame don't have an MVP award, you know? Yeah,
(15:54):
And there's a lot of guys in the Hall of Fame.
I don't have Super Bowls either.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Top ten passing yards, top ten passing touchdowns. This is
the list, the company he keeps as far as touchdowns
go in his career. Obviously Tom Brady's at the top
of the list. Then you've got Drew Brees, Peyton Manning,
Brett Farr, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Dan Marino, and then
Ben Roethlisberg. Yeah, and so then you've got Matt Ryan.
(16:21):
I think some people would say on the Philip Rivers front, well,
you know, how can you know is Philip Rivers a
Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They have a Philip Rivers doesn't have MVPs. Yeah, so
that's where the argument is. And certainly, and he's got
more than Matt Ryan. He made a Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Matt Ryan's got more obviously passing touchdowns and Eli Manning,
who's tenth. But Eli's got those two super bowls.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So it was Super Bowl MVPs and one of the
other things, wait, maybe one, not both. He does have
a Super Bowl MVP, I believe, so, yeah, I believe
Eli Manning is super MVP. But one of the other
things that I think be noted. That movie doesn't get
talked about a lot when it comes to Matt Ryan.
He didn't take over the easiest situation in Atlanta, VI
(17:09):
because there was a contingent of fans in Atlanta who
didn't want Matt Ryan. They wanted Michael Vick. And I
think people forget about that because they loved Michael Vick
and it was like a he was Atlanta football, like
he was their new he was Atlanta culture. Yeah, he
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was their new Deon Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And when he got popped and went away, they were
resentful to Matt Ryan. Like I remember there being booze
like for Matt Ryan because they wanted Michael Vick and
there was number seven Jerseys in the crowd and Matt
Ryan had to really win over that fan base and
win over that organization. And when he did, he became
(17:53):
a better quarterback than Michael Vick. They won much bigger
games and won more often with Matt Ryan as quarterback
as opposed to Michael Vick. But I think sometimes people
forget exactly what it was that he took over when
he got there, because that was not a pretty picture
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, there were a few things that Uh oh, yeah,
he had both Super Bowl MVPs. That's what I thought,
two time MVP. Yeah. Out to lead the lap on
that efforting that effort he put forth and getting that
information Joes. But yeah, Matt Ryan's one of those. He's
one of those guys. He's a tweener. Like you will
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say he was a franchise quarterback on four Pro Bowls.
Is not that's not you know, that's it's a tad
big questionable. But he is one of those guys that
you know who he is there is there's the credibility
(18:54):
to what he's been able to accomplish in his career,
and he's he's higher level then a quarterback that had
a good career in the league. Like I almost believe
you could say Matt Ryan's career was a great NFL career,
Hall of Fame worthy career. Yeah. So, I mean, so
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what for whatever it's worth, I believe he did do enough.
And listen, you could take the sentimental value and say
he came into a rough situation with the fallout of
what took place with Mike, but in the end he
had a job to do. These guys get drafted, they
have jobs to do. And a lot of times they
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come up way, way, way short of what the expectation
or what the projection was for what they would would
do in this league. And I think Matt Ryan delivered.
He definitely delivered. He didn't didn't get you know, the
Super Bowl, but again he made an appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And also I think it should be if we're going
to be fair about Matt Ryan and what he took over,
he usually, for the most part, had a ton of
talent to work with, whether it was Roddy White, whether
it was you know Jones, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, remember
Michael Turner running back. Was there like there was really
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really good talent around him. And so one of the
things was, you know, it wasn't like he got to
a place where the cupboard was bear like. There was,
there was talent there. He made the most of it
and turned himself into a borderline Hall of Fame quarterback.
I do wonder how he's judged based on that Super
Bowl and it's unfair that he's the quarterback who gets
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you know, the blame and maybe too much of the credit,
like they most most quarterbacks do. It's unfair that his
name will be attached to what happened in that Super
Bowl when the reality is man, that defense completely let
him down, like completely let him down. And so it's
kind of like we've talked about the Jimmy Garoppolo stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well I talk about the Jimmy garoppolos. I talk about
it too. I got Jimmy's back. Most people say that
it was Jimmy Garoppolo's mispass that was the reason why
they lost. And I say, you had. You gave them
boys a to two possession, two possession lead. You had
to you had to get the ball twice to win
that game. Yeah, you had to score, I mean, not
(21:15):
get the ball tw like you had to score twice
to win that game. Like and and people blame Jimmy Garoppolo,
but you know, it is what it is. Yeah, I
hear you about about Matt Ryan. Yeah. So so we
get to that was an epic fail. How how big
was the lead? Like twenty one, twenty eight? It was
twenty eight to three, twenty eight to three, Yeah, twenty
(21:35):
five point lead, yep, evaporated in the second half. He gone,
god dang, And what the I'm sorry, you can't you
can't you can't blame an offense for losing a game
if you went into halftime twenty twenty eight to three,
can't can't blame the offense ever, And there was a Listen,
(21:57):
Kyle Shanahan's gotten some of the blame for the play
calling they didn't like because they kept turning it over
so quickly.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, they just he didn't want to run the ball,
it seemed like. But there were so many other things
that happened in that game, whether it was you know,
Julian Edeman making that catch, that crazy catch that saved
the game for New England, whether Danny Amandola scoring two
point conversions, like they had to do so much to
win that game. And then it was one of those
(22:25):
things to where once New England got the ball to
start overtime, knew it was over. Like Atlanta was never
going to get the ball back. The defense was spent
and New England went right down the field scored that
touchdown and that was a wrap and Matt Ryan was
the quarterback of the helm of that team and just
never were able to get back to that point ever again.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But great career. Do you remember where you watched that game?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think I was at home because Brady Quinn and
I were doing the post Super Bowl game show, Okay,
and I I was waiting for the game to end
so I could come in studio, and it went so
late that I once the final play happened, I had
to dart out the door and then almost didn't make
(23:11):
it to the studio in time because everybody was leaving
the bars and the Super Bowl parties. And I remember
being on the road coming into the studio thinking I'm
the only sober person on the road right now. Huh,
Like there were people swerving.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because people were all even Super Bowl parties, just trying
to get on the road because they had to work
the next day.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But that was a crazy, crazy game to watch. Where
were you during that game? I'll tell you off air, Michael,
what do you mean? I can't say it on air.
I can't say it on air? No, okay, No, you
give a hint. At least I just gave you a hint.
I don't remember where I was, though.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 3 (24:32):
So Quinn Williams is one of the best players at
his positioned for the New York Jets. The Jets have
been in the news quite a bit over the past
few months, obviously with the Aaron Rodgers acquisition and all
the other fun stuff going on there in New York,
and so Quinn Williams feels like he's doing a little
bit of a raise and he has had his fifth
(24:53):
year option picked up. He's going to make just under
ten million dollars this upcoming season. He's been looking for
this new contract and so he has done what athletes
now do when they want to make a statement, and
he is the social media.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, he went to.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Social media, and he scrubbed the reference to the New
York Jets. Instead of having, you know, defensive tackle for
the New York Jets, he's got defensive tackle for the
dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. So all that
fun stuff that's happening with quinnin Williams, and it's just
another one of these stories that it I don't know
(25:29):
when this started. I don't know why this became a thing.
I don't know how anybody would from the Jets front office.
Joe Douglas, the general manager, looks at this and says,
wait a second, we got to get this deal done
because Quinn Williams just put a bunch of dots in
a row and didn't claim us on social media.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't know where this started.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I don't know who's to blame, but I'm sick of
it and it feels like it's only getting worse.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean, it's the new way of communicating. Come on, man,
we just talked about it in the last hour, and
if you missed it by chance, just make sure you
go wherever it is that you get your podcasts from
and check out two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Yeah,
it's it's it's the sign of the times. Technology has
has changed the rules of engagement. Social media is where
(26:19):
the negotiations are are taking place. And what's happened is
it now becomes a place of public opinion. Now contracts
are public domain anyway, for some strange ass reason, their
public domain. And and so when these negotiations start to happen,
(26:43):
especially now that teams don't have control like they did
when it was just the local beat writers and reporters
that that wrote about everything that was going on, and
the narrative was controlled by the relationships that those beat
writers had with whoever it is that they had it with.
If it was with the players, then it would be
pro player, If it was with the organization, then it
(27:05):
would be pro organization. Now it's just I represent myself.
I go on my social media. Who did it? Jalen
Hurts did it, Lamar Jackson did it? I mean there's
the yeah, you remember, Jalen Hurts did it, Kyler Murray
did it? Yeah, I Kyler did it. I know obviously
(27:28):
Lamar Jackson did it. That's for sure. Jalen Hurts did
something with his social media and people like took took
exception to it. I'm pretty certain it was, it was
certain he did something. There's been a lot of people
who have done it. Yeah, and and I think that
that's the way. It's the easiest and the quickest way
to get get attention what you got Lee.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You are right he did scrub his social media of
all Eagles.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's just these guys. This is
where where you start to negotiate goh Man. And it's
now that is now the trend, that is the pattern.
I'm letting y'all know right now by taking down see
and and and what you're what you're learning now is
that now it's not as like early on it was
(28:18):
more egregious, you know what I mean, Like it hits
you a little differently like oh as like they scrubbed
their their you know, their social of the team and
took down the the on their on their uh employment
like not like it's not there now you know what
it is. Now you know what it is. It doesn't
hit the same way.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's Do you think if I removed Fox Sports Radio
from my profile anybody would notice?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm gonna go with no. I think people would notice
if they didn't hear you too, right, Like if you
pulled it down like like say, say we were our
contracts were coming up, and you scrubbed your social of
everything Fox Sports FSR, right, and then you weren't on air, right,
(29:07):
and people would be like, did they get rid of Jonas? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
That I think that would be a whole different conversation.
I mean, Quinn Williams is not partaking in the offseason workouts,
which is not I mean that's not a deal breaker.
Some people have are not partaken in offseason workouts. It
happens every single year, so he's not taking part in that. Again,
he's been vocal about wanting to get a deal done,
wanting this new contract. They picked up the fifth year option.
(29:33):
I find it hard to believe that they would trade
quinnin Williams. I think the Jets look at this and go,
we feel like we've got a Super Bowl contender. We
want to bring back as many people as possible. And
now Quinn Williams kind of throws a wrench into this
whole thing by scrubbing the Jets from his social media.
I'm just trying to figure out when this became a thing,
because I have somebody.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That I would like to blame for this, right.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The people who took the bait on Facebook. And you
know who you are, and you may be listening to
this and you might even fall for this crap to
this day. But when you saw somebody that you were
quote unquote friends with on FB post some vague, weird
(30:17):
thing on their their status one day that said, right
when you think you knew somebody dot dot dot, Wow,
what a revelation.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I thought you were different dot dot dot.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And then everybody writes underneath and says, what's wrong?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
What's going on? Everything? Like the people that were week
oh on my story, did people take debate? No? Yeah,
and see nobody cared? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, I mean listen, it's just the idea that anybody
would fall for this crap.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Here's a rule. Didn't fall for it on my page.
This is a rule.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I think everybody should follow this rule because I followed
this rule back when I allowed me a.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
King of the mammals on idea. By the way, go
go follow me right now. King of the mammals, yeah
yeahotm yeah, King of the mammals is that's the acronym this.
This should be a rule anytime you post some crap
like that on your social media. Two weeks in jail, right,
that's first offense, geez. Second offense is six months. And
(31:20):
then if you really want to get them where they
hurt the third time around, they've got to get rid
of all of their social media, all of it for
an extended period of time. And by extended period of time,
I'm talking about two three years, putting your account on
lockdown too, gone probation, yeah, solitaire.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And in fact, if you want to really punish them,
put them in the hole like do frayin off Shawshank
and just dangle cell phones over the top, you know,
and like like they've got to like reach up for
it and they can't grab it.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You know. It's like bats floating down.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
But it's like a bunch of iPhone thirteen's with like
with their Facebook kind of glaring in front of him. Hey,
look what everybody else can do, and you can't do
it because your candy ass wanted to throw a pity
party on social media years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's what needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
That's what started all this, and it might be the
reason why the New York Jets don't win a Super
Bowl because Quinn Williams wanted to throw a bunch of
dots in the back of his defensive tackle block bloh bloh,
bloh blot, instead of just announcing I'm a New York Jet,
I'm on a fifth year option. I'm making just under
ten million dollars. Hopefully we can get something done long term.
It's been ruined, everything's been destroyed because of social media.
(32:32):
You would never behave like this back in the day.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know, I would. I would not. I definitely would
not handle things this way. But I don't know how
I would handle things if I were playing during social
media age. If I'm starting to to make make a
(32:58):
push towards getting a content track, this might be. This
might be a part of how I do it. I
don't know. I can't I can't forecast that because I
wasn't around for you know, the social media wasn't around
during that time. But I'll tell you what, the the
mess that I went through with Washington, if there was
(33:21):
social media, it would have went down differently because I
would have exposed him like right there, real time, Dan Snyder, oh,
little Danny, Little Danny. I would have exposed him real time.
And that's not like there was still a level of
control by what messaging was coming out in the media
(33:42):
back then. So there you know between Gibbs and and uh,
who is the coach that was with him that coached
the deal or coach the offensive line coach, the Hogs
all Bugle Bugle Bugle, like they they were like talking
crazy about me in the media and then Greg Williams
(34:03):
and all of them are talking crazy about me, and
like Joe Bugle, Joe Bugle, was he the Cardinals head
coach at one point in time? Yes, correct, that's nineteen
nineties football knowledge, did now Jesus, I mean he has
gone so so, I mean he is gone, I know,
(34:25):
but you sure you know thoughts and prayer, sure you know.
I mean I was just letting you know. You was
talking like you was talking like you was going it
was going to get him on for an interview or
something later on. But no, I knew where he's not
coming on the show. I knew where he coached. I
just I didn't. I mean, I just didn't know. If
you knew that here I was, you were aware. I
was aware of that, Okay. Anyway, just there was a
(34:48):
lot of things that were being put out there, and
when you're an athlete back then, you're you're you're at
the mercy of the writers and the reporters. Something goes
national and and and and it's you know, it wasn't
about viral, it was just it was a national story.
Then now the story is written in a way, or
(35:11):
it's reported in a way that's generally not going to
be play or friendly. So now I have this this
you know, identity crisis taking place, and and and how
I'm being viewed, and I have no way to combat it.
Who is the ahle in Washington and wrote about you?
(35:31):
There's got to be one, you know. For the most part,
I had some really really cool people in Washington, and
they were just putting positions where they had to play
it safe because they were beat writers. Like from what's
there Cindy, what's Cindy's name? I can't remember Cindy's Lawford, No, No,
there's Cindy. Then there's John Kyme, there's David Elfin. Obviously,
(35:56):
there's Dan Steinberg. You know, there there was some around
who can't I saw him after every game. Was then
Tony Corniser, Yeah, I didn't see Tony though Tony wasn't
really a part of what was going on with the
football team, but Cindy Boring, There you go, there you go. Yeah,
(36:18):
that's it. So we had some really good writers, but
they were still left to have to take the information
that was coming from me and take the information that
was coming from them and try to be somewhere like
down the line. And it just didn't. It didn't come
across right. See if you had, if we had the platforms.
The one thing that you don't see play out now,
(36:39):
you don't really see character assassinations take place from from
organizations anymore. Like that's not something that you can do.
You can't use the media to devalue a player and
then get rid of him or character assassinate anymore, because
you're you're direct. They direct to the to the viewer,
(37:00):
to the listener, to the fan.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The Cardinals did to Terry McDonough, that former executive, and
that's still going on now. Defamation of characters popped up well, and.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's basically saying that, you know, or the Cardinals are
saying that he did it. They're they're still saying he
did it. So I mean, don't I don't know who's
right or who's wrong. But I'll tell you what. If
you have influence, like if you have influence, and you
have a follower of a community, a built community of
(37:31):
people who pay attention to what you're doing. You now
have a stronger voice than what you've ever had your
your your own media. And and and athletes, a lot
of athletes are understanding that they're understanding how social media works,
they're understanding how content works, and they're using it to
(37:52):
their advantage. And and so in a way, it might
it might be uncomfortable seeing how these guys do some things,
you know, and how they start negotiation tactics by using
their social media. But I mean, it really is an
evolution of how you approach things, and it's kind of
like you're leveraging your following.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
So let me ask you this, because one of the
great injustices on this show is how I get fined
ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
From being passive aggressive Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
When in reality I'm being a smart ass, But still
I'm being punished for trying to add a little bit
of comedy to some of these serious topics of conversation
that we discuss. Wouldn't you say that this sort of
behavior on social media is classic passive aggressiveness?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Okay, So then why aren't all these a holes fined.
Why isn't Quinn Williams being fined ten dollars right now?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Because they don't have to go by our rules. But
I'm unjustly punished, right well yeah, yeah, yeah right, Like
this is passive aggressive me making a smart ass.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Remark and I'm I'm out ten dollars, Like it's getting
to the point where I can't afford to do the
show anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
It's very passive aggressive. It's very passive aggressive, but it's
effective because it it We live in a social media
mob driven culture. I'm gonna say that again. We live
in a social media mob driven country. What's a mob
(39:32):
driven and and and so it's it's like, please please
the mob, please the hoard, and whoever has the attention
of of their their categories and and and communities, they're
they're able to do things. So there's probably a large
contingency of New York Jets fans that are looking at
(39:52):
what Quinn is doing and like, what what is going on?
And now that creates the conversation, and then we're spending
a segment talking about it, and then it becomes more
of a story, and then it gains it gains momentum,
and then the next thing, you know, you got to
have the conversation because everybody's talking about why Quinnan took
down being a Jets employee or I played for the
(40:13):
Jets off of his social media, and you one hundred
percent know that it's a negotiation play.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So just so we're clear here, when a professional athlete
is passive aggressive, they usually get paid. When I'm passive aggressive,
I usually have to pay.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, technically, you get paid too. Your passive aggressiveness has
led to you being part Partially it's part of you
being a good radio host. So they make money, but
I lose. You make money doing the same thing. You
make money too, and ten dollars is not a bad deal.
Your passive aggressiveness is a little bit different. It's just
(40:52):
the whole thing's unfair. Maybe you're right, I mean you haven't.
How many times have you paid? Once or twice? Okay, Yeah,
I made my donation, I did my part. It is
that was that'll be ten dollars. Okay, that was very passive.
What do you mean? Yeah, that was passive aggressive. Okay,
well you know I put it on my tab. Yeah,
(41:14):
that'll be another two dollars. What do you have this?
I got your ten dollars right here. Now, you're just
being aggressive aggressive, I gotta talk to HR.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
How the hell we feeling here on a Tuesday morning?
Real good, real strong, real smooth man, Yeah, real smooth.
How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You know, just we're hanging out here just watching the
NFL change every single day.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It feels like there's a new change in the NFL.
How you feel something new, how you feel about it?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I get it, but it does kind of make you
long for the old days when things were simpler. You know,
like there there was a simpler time and then technology
got in the way, and technology decided, you know, we're
going to make things a little bit more complicated in
the moment, but there's going to be a lot on
the back end as far as revenue goes. That makes
a lot of sense. So, as Eddie Garcia mentioned in
(00:52):
his top of the Hour update, there was an announcement
yesterday that the NFL announced that Peacock the streaming service,
we'll get the right. We'll get the right to air
the Saturday night wild Card game this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Now it is uh is that Joe Paterno no it's
kind of funny because they kind of sound just alike. Yeah,
they do. You know, I live around where I live
there are at least one hundred peacocks. Oh yeah, where
I live in Glendora. Yeah. So, and it's a mating
(01:31):
season right now. Oh, they get after so you see
all the big the big tails are up, the tail
feathers are up, and they're just out there like it's
like what they really sound like people? Now, let me
ask you. It's kind of interesting. Sounds like they're saying
help every once in a while. That is that is
(01:55):
that early on in the act or is that later
on in the act that they start making them know?
It's actually before, during and not after. Oh that's the
maiden call. They're not very loud after Okay, no, after
they run them down, once they corner them and run
them down. Yeah, they don't. They don't be They don't
be saying maybe to have the other one be saying help.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But you know, i'll tell you something that's something that
I can get behind. Yeah, take a nap coop? Yeah right,
if they have a cigarette, what's.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Wrong with you? They take They're gonna take a nap coop.
They're gonna lay it right on down right there. Yeah,
that was great. How was it for you? You know,
it's crazy. They lose their they lose their tail feathers
after after they do the deal too, like shot them
shot the whole tale. You know the big long tail
(02:43):
that they have that opens up and you know, yeah,
that big long tail. Yeah, they lose it. They lose
it gone, they got they gone, part of the sacrifice.
I mean it is something though humans. Humans have bumble
and tender and peacock just make noises, yeah, and put
their feathers up. That's their app like, look how big
(03:04):
my feathers are. Swipe this. They're bigger than his. Look
look how little his feathers are. That's why I'm gonna
put my feathers up and I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Well, they inspired a streaming service, they did so, so
there is that. So they're not they're not just there
hanging out the peacock.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, shouts out to peacock. Good luck out there, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's a it's a tough wor a lot of competition
in Glendora if you want to get after it a bit.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But this morning, did you Yeah, hasn't been eating? He
was a big one too. He's been eating good. Yeah,
he's a big boy. Yeah yeah. Ones by my house
don't eat all that good. Yeah, no, he was. He
looked like a wolf. He's eating real good. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
No one's by my house. Whenever it's foggy out, they
(03:51):
start to roam. I've noticed that when he gets.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Foggy out, they start roaming, which is a little bit creepy,
but nonetheless. As far as this wild Card game, yeah,
Saturday night, let's get to it. So it's the first
ever exclusive live stream playoff game. It's going to follow
the Wildcard game that airs on NBC, and it's going
to take place January thirteenth at eight Eastern time.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And so you look at it, you go, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Those So those are all the details, the first and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But what does this mean revenue wise?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Because we know that the NFL is trying to gear
up towards streaming, we know that this is a big
part of where this is all headed. So according to
the Wall Street Journal, it's a one year deal, with
the league receiving approximately one hundred and ten million dollars
for this game. So one game on a streaming service
(04:44):
after some animals that are mating in Glendora, and the
NFL is going to get one hundred and ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And you could say.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Whatever you want about the NFL and Roger Goodell and
all the stuff that took place early on in his
time as commissioner, but they have figured out a way
to turn everything.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Into a money maker. And it is amazing to say
a game one game, one game right now, Like in
the I saw in the early nineties the TV rights
for the entire NFL. This is early nineties when listen,
(05:23):
the NFL was moving. I mean that was early great
players all early nineties. I think it was like four
hundred million for one game to stream in January, and
the NFL is going to generate one hundred and ten
million dollars according to this report from the Wall Streets.
You're amazing, Like, did you ever think that it would
get to this point to where the NFL could turn
some little thing on your phone, this little square on
(05:45):
your phone that you would hit and click on and
the ability to watch that would turn into one hundred
and ten million dollars in their pocket for a playoff. Well,
it's it's uh, that's where it's going. That's where all
of this is going, and it's only going to get
more expensive. It's it's only going to become more exclusive
content because it's it's all about you know, the device,
(06:09):
like you said, the device that's going to play on.
The networks that are giving you the service. I mean,
they're going to be the ones that that really you know,
they win in this environment because everything is going to
be consumed by your cell phone. Everything, Like there's not
like we're to the point now, we are really to
(06:31):
the point now where And it's so crazy to me
because it opens up like delaying to a whole nother
you know, level of conversations where it's like not even
it's not even sports driven, it's just like, you know,
like life driven and like where where the hell are
we right right now? And that's the whole idea of
(06:51):
everything you need is literally in your phone. Ye, Like
I go in my phone. Twenty minutes later, somebody's pulling
up to my house right with food whatever, whatever. I mean,
you can order whatever and they bring it to your door.
(07:13):
There's no like like the the exchange has already taking place.
You don't have to use a credit card, you don't
have to have your your license on you pretty much anymore.
Like it all is in your phone. Like that to me,
is that like the wildest thing ever? Yeah, like that,
(07:33):
your phone, that device becomes the most important part of
your life. Like if you ask anybody what is the
most what is the most important important device or important
thing that you need, some people will say their pocket book,
you know, their briefcase, Like I don't. I don't know
who wouldn't say their phone today?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Like I remember, in certain parts of the country, if
you go to obviously a big city, like you could
walk out in the street and just throw your thumb
up and throw your hand up and you can get
a cab right away. And I remember one of the
things growing up out here or in Thousand Oaks where
I was at, there was no real cab service, so
if you needed a ride, somebody was just gonna have
(08:15):
to be designated driver.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
H Well, we had jitneys where I come from. My
granddad and his homeboys were jitneys. Shots out to all
the jitney drivers out there. That was a jitney. Yeah,
you know, it's cultural, Okay, it was a jitney. What
is a jitney? It was like a cabby, but it's
like Uber before Uber. Okay, so and you would obviously
plan ahead and call ahead for that. Well, they were
(08:38):
neighborhood neighborhood like old heads. Okay, so you you had
you called a number and one of the old heads
come get you to take you there.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I just remember, we would have to somebody would
either have to be d d or you would hope
that the walk wasn't too long, or if you were
out at a bar celebrating somebody's twenty first birthday. That's
just the way it was. I couldn't have a back
in the day, just saying oh, you need a ride here,
take my phone and you click a button. You don't
even have to make a phone call. You click your button.
(09:07):
It's a computer in your hand, sitting in your pocket,
and next thing you know, fifteen twenty minutes later, you've
got to ride home.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, like just the whole way.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Things have changed and the NFL's figured out the way
to take advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And that's I think that's the point of bringing it
and tying it all together, is they have figured out
how to monetize, to bring value in a one of
the most turbulent, one of the quickest evolving and growing
and changing spaces, which is the digital space. The digital
(09:44):
age is going to replace television, like televisions are are
going to become obsolete like television. I can't believe. It's
the wildest thing. I am still a big screen type
of guy. The bigger the screen, the better for me.
If I could create gate a screen that was as
big as this this window to the control room, I
(10:06):
would create a screen that big to put my house like,
that's my Like, I love the viewing pleasure of what
my programming is on a big screen. To think that
this generation that's it's like, it's like what, like why
(10:29):
do you need this? Like why does this even matter?
And so now as as we continue to transition into
a day where you will consume your content and everything else,
it's just going to be consumer driven through your your
your mobile devices. The NFL has continued to evolve and
(10:50):
adapt to the changes and the signs of the time.
And the more you get connected to how how this
technol in this world will work in the digital world,
the better off you're going to be. And and that's
why if you look at how how much gambling is
is picking up, why would you not pick up on gambling.
(11:14):
Why would you not continue to allow it to become
more and more legalized when that's it's almost it's it's
always been synonymous with sports anyway, so now with technology,
it's even more synonymous, and it's and it's fun and
it's a part of the game, and it's driving a
(11:35):
lot of what's going on. So you're just looking at
elements that are really really going to drive and push
sports like and entertainment like football into a whole nother
It's going to go into a whole nother stratosphere. Man.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It It's why I always say you can listen to
the show on the iHeartRadio app, because it gives you
the option you get out of your car. Are you
listening on the radio you just pop on your phone,
or if you just want to continue listening on your
phone the entire time, You've got that option too.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Man. Back in the day, like that's not how it
was like. You would have to have your car on. Yeah,
you gotta have your car on.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You'd have to trust the you know, the Wi Fi
connection or the internet connection from the streaming.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, to check that's the antenna. Yeah, But if you
wanted to listen to out of market radio. If you
wanted to listen to sports radio in another city, you
had to hope that the website had a legitimate link
that you could listen to or and now all of
that is available to you. And the NFL has just said,
all right, so if everybody's going to be on this
thing anyways, let's slowly pre all the market and that
(12:37):
while we're at it, we'll take one hundred and ten
million dollars for your trouble. The Big the Big ten
is doing it too. It told me why ten is
going to be on uh NBC and Peacock as well
and Notre Dame Football Like that's it's bruh. I'm telling you.
If you're paying attention, the digital space is that's where
(12:59):
everyone is. Yeah, you got a fish, where to fish are?
You know? And that's where that's And that's why the
market is trying to figure out how it's gonna you know,
where it's going. Where are the marketing dollars going? Where's
everything going? Because you know, everything is trending digital. Yeah,
it's going to be interesting to see the next phase
(13:20):
of the NFL and the next evolution of NFL viewing
and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
This news came out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Matt Ryan Matty Ice last scene being one of the
fall guys not named Jim Irsay in Indianapolis for the
disaster that was the Indianapolis Colts. Matt Ryan is going
to be joining CBS as an analyst this upcoming season,
but quick to point out that he is not retiring.
This is not a retire message that he posted on
(14:01):
social media. He is going to be an analyst though,
maybe trying to keep his options open. But there's also
the speculation that maybe this is a little bit more
about business, that if he wants to get the money
owed to him by the Indianapolis Colts, he's got to
at least give the perception that he's trying to find
work elsewhere. Otherwise, the cole if he announced his retirement,
(14:23):
they don't have to pay him that extra twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
But nonetheless it's only twelve million. Yeah, you know, no
big deal.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Matt Ryan potentially and most likely we've seen the end
of Matt Ryan as an NFL quarterback. And I would
simply just ask you, this is he a Hall of
Famer based on these credentials. Won an MVP, four Pro Bowls,
he was an All Pro, he was the Offensive Player
(14:52):
of the Year, he was Rookie of the Year. He's
top ten in passing yards all time and top ten
in passing touchdowns all time. But that Super Bowl loss
was so devastating and so catastrophic. I think there's gonna
be some people that would say, no, that he's not.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
A Hall of Famer. I mean, he's not a first
ballot Hall of Famer. He's not a get in anytime
soon Hall of Famer. But I think he has Hall
of Fame credentials. Now, you said how many All Pros?
He was an all one time first team All Pro.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He might be a little deficient there. You said four
Pro Bowls, Yeah, four Pro Bowls. He might be a
little deficient there. MVP. I mean that that that checks
off a box that how many percentage of players in
the Hall of Fame don't have an MVP award, you know? Yeah,
(15:54):
And there's a lot of guys in the Hall of Fame.
I don't have Super Bowls either.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Top ten passing yards, top ten passing touchdowns. This is
the list, the company he keeps as far as touchdowns
go in his career. Obviously Tom Brady's at the top
of the list. Then you've got Drew Brees, Peyton Manning,
Brett Farr, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Dan Marino, and then
Ben Roethlisberg. Yeah, and so then you've got Matt Ryan.
(16:21):
I think some people would say on the Philip Rivers front, well,
you know, how can you know is Philip Rivers a
Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They have a Philip Rivers doesn't have MVPs. Yeah, so
that's where the argument is. And certainly, and he's got
more than Matt Ryan. He made a Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Matt Ryan's got more obviously passing touchdowns and Eli Manning,
who's tenth. But Eli's got those two super bowls.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So it was Super Bowl MVPs and one of the
other things, wait, maybe one, not both. He does have
a Super Bowl MVP, I believe, so, yeah, I believe
Eli Manning is super MVP. But one of the other
things that I think be noted. That movie doesn't get
talked about a lot when it comes to Matt Ryan.
He didn't take over the easiest situation in Atlanta, VI
(17:09):
because there was a contingent of fans in Atlanta who
didn't want Matt Ryan. They wanted Michael Vick. And I
think people forget about that because they loved Michael Vick
and it was like a he was Atlanta football, like
he was their new he was Atlanta culture. Yeah, he
(17:30):
was their new Deon Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And when he got popped and went away, they were
resentful to Matt Ryan. Like I remember there being booze
like for Matt Ryan because they wanted Michael Vick and
there was number seven Jerseys in the crowd and Matt
Ryan had to really win over that fan base and
win over that organization. And when he did, he became
(17:53):
a better quarterback than Michael Vick. They won much bigger
games and won more often with Matt Ryan as quarterback
as opposed to Michael Vick. But I think sometimes people
forget exactly what it was that he took over when
he got there, because that was not a pretty picture
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, there were a few things that Uh oh, yeah,
he had both Super Bowl MVPs. That's what I thought,
two time MVP. Yeah. Out to lead the lap on
that efforting that effort he put forth and getting that
information Joes. But yeah, Matt Ryan's one of those. He's
one of those guys. He's a tweener. Like you will
(18:32):
say he was a franchise quarterback on four Pro Bowls.
Is not that's not you know, that's it's a tad
big questionable. But he is one of those guys that
you know who he is there is there's the credibility
(18:54):
to what he's been able to accomplish in his career,
and he's he's higher level then a quarterback that had
a good career in the league. Like I almost believe
you could say Matt Ryan's career was a great NFL career,
Hall of Fame worthy career. Yeah. So, I mean, so
(19:17):
what for whatever it's worth, I believe he did do enough.
And listen, you could take the sentimental value and say
he came into a rough situation with the fallout of
what took place with Mike, but in the end he
had a job to do. These guys get drafted, they
have jobs to do. And a lot of times they
(19:37):
come up way, way, way short of what the expectation
or what the projection was for what they would would
do in this league. And I think Matt Ryan delivered.
He definitely delivered. He didn't didn't get you know, the
Super Bowl, but again he made an appearance.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And also I think it should be if we're going
to be fair about Matt Ryan and what he took over,
he usually, for the most part, had a ton of
talent to work with, whether it was Roddy White, whether
it was you know Jones, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, remember
Michael Turner running back. Was there like there was really
(20:14):
really good talent around him. And so one of the
things was, you know, it wasn't like he got to
a place where the cupboard was bear like. There was,
there was talent there. He made the most of it
and turned himself into a borderline Hall of Fame quarterback.
I do wonder how he's judged based on that Super
Bowl and it's unfair that he's the quarterback who gets
(20:37):
you know, the blame and maybe too much of the credit,
like they most most quarterbacks do. It's unfair that his
name will be attached to what happened in that Super
Bowl when the reality is man, that defense completely let
him down, like completely let him down. And so it's
kind of like we've talked about the Jimmy Garoppolo stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well I talk about the Jimmy garoppolos. I talk about
it too. I got Jimmy's back. Most people say that
it was Jimmy Garoppolo's mispass that was the reason why
they lost. And I say, you had. You gave them
boys a to two possession, two possession lead. You had
to you had to get the ball twice to win
that game. Yeah, you had to score, I mean, not
(21:15):
get the ball tw like you had to score twice
to win that game. Like and and people blame Jimmy Garoppolo,
but you know, it is what it is. Yeah, I
hear you about about Matt Ryan. Yeah. So so we
get to that was an epic fail. How how big
was the lead? Like twenty one, twenty eight? It was
twenty eight to three, twenty eight to three, Yeah, twenty
(21:35):
five point lead, yep, evaporated in the second half. He gone,
god dang, And what the I'm sorry, you can't you
can't you can't blame an offense for losing a game
if you went into halftime twenty twenty eight to three,
can't can't blame the offense ever, And there was a Listen,
(21:57):
Kyle Shanahan's gotten some of the blame for the play
calling they didn't like because they kept turning it over
so quickly.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, they just he didn't want to run the ball,
it seemed like. But there were so many other things
that happened in that game, whether it was you know,
Julian Edeman making that catch, that crazy catch that saved
the game for New England, whether Danny Amandola scoring two
point conversions, like they had to do so much to
win that game. And then it was one of those
(22:25):
things to where once New England got the ball to
start overtime, knew it was over. Like Atlanta was never
going to get the ball back. The defense was spent
and New England went right down the field scored that
touchdown and that was a wrap and Matt Ryan was
the quarterback of the helm of that team and just
never were able to get back to that point ever again.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But great career. Do you remember where you watched that game?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think I was at home because Brady Quinn and
I were doing the post Super Bowl game show, Okay,
and I I was waiting for the game to end
so I could come in studio, and it went so
late that I once the final play happened, I had
to dart out the door and then almost didn't make
(23:11):
it to the studio in time because everybody was leaving
the bars and the Super Bowl parties. And I remember
being on the road coming into the studio thinking I'm
the only sober person on the road right now. Huh,
Like there were people swerving.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Because people were all even Super Bowl parties, just trying
to get on the road because they had to work
the next day.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But that was a crazy, crazy game to watch. Where
were you during that game? I'll tell you off air, Michael,
what do you mean? I can't say it on air.
I can't say it on air? No, okay, No, you
give a hint. At least I just gave you a hint.
I don't remember where I was, though.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 4 (24:03):
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We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
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Speaker 2 (24:23):
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Speaker 4 (24:24):
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Speaker 3 (24:32):
So Quinn Williams is one of the best players at
his positioned for the New York Jets. The Jets have
been in the news quite a bit over the past
few months, obviously with the Aaron Rodgers acquisition and all
the other fun stuff going on there in New York,
and so Quinn Williams feels like he's doing a little
bit of a raise and he has had his fifth
(24:53):
year option picked up. He's going to make just under
ten million dollars this upcoming season. He's been looking for
this new contract and so he has done what athletes
now do when they want to make a statement, and
he is the social media.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, he went to.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Social media, and he scrubbed the reference to the New
York Jets. Instead of having, you know, defensive tackle for
the New York Jets, he's got defensive tackle for the
dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. So all that
fun stuff that's happening with quinnin Williams, and it's just
another one of these stories that it I don't know
(25:29):
when this started. I don't know why this became a thing.
I don't know how anybody would from the Jets front office.
Joe Douglas, the general manager, looks at this and says,
wait a second, we got to get this deal done
because Quinn Williams just put a bunch of dots in
a row and didn't claim us on social media.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I don't know where this started.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I don't know who's to blame, but I'm sick of
it and it feels like it's only getting worse.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean, it's the new way of communicating. Come on, man,
we just talked about it in the last hour, and
if you missed it by chance, just make sure you
go wherever it is that you get your podcasts from
and check out two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Yeah,
it's it's it's the sign of the times. Technology has
has changed the rules of engagement. Social media is where
(26:19):
the negotiations are are taking place. And what's happened is
it now becomes a place of public opinion. Now contracts
are public domain anyway, for some strange ass reason, their
public domain. And and so when these negotiations start to happen,
(26:43):
especially now that teams don't have control like they did
when it was just the local beat writers and reporters
that that wrote about everything that was going on, and
the narrative was controlled by the relationships that those beat
writers had with whoever it is that they had it with.
If it was with the players, then it would be
pro player, If it was with the organization, then it
(27:05):
would be pro organization. Now it's just I represent myself.
I go on my social media. Who did it? Jalen
Hurts did it, Lamar Jackson did it? I mean there's
the yeah, you remember, Jalen Hurts did it, Kyler Murray
did it? Yeah, I Kyler did it. I know obviously
(27:28):
Lamar Jackson did it. That's for sure. Jalen Hurts did
something with his social media and people like took took
exception to it. I'm pretty certain it was, it was
certain he did something. There's been a lot of people
who have done it. Yeah, and and I think that
that's the way. It's the easiest and the quickest way
to get get attention what you got Lee.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You are right he did scrub his social media of
all Eagles.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's just these guys. This is
where where you start to negotiate goh Man. And it's
now that is now the trend, that is the pattern.
I'm letting y'all know right now by taking down see
and and and what you're what you're learning now is
that now it's not as like early on it was
(28:18):
more egregious, you know what I mean, Like it hits
you a little differently like oh as like they scrubbed
their their you know, their social of the team and
took down the the on their on their uh employment
like not like it's not there now you know what
it is. Now you know what it is. It doesn't
hit the same way.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's Do you think if I removed Fox Sports Radio
from my profile anybody would notice?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm gonna go with no. I think people would notice
if they didn't hear you too, right, Like if you
pulled it down like like say, say we were our
contracts were coming up, and you scrubbed your social of
everything Fox Sports FSR, right, and then you weren't on air, right,
(29:07):
and people would be like, did they get rid of Jonas? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
That I think that would be a whole different conversation.
I mean, Quinn Williams is not partaking in the offseason workouts,
which is not I mean that's not a deal breaker.
Some people have are not partaken in offseason workouts. It
happens every single year, so he's not taking part in that. Again,
he's been vocal about wanting to get a deal done,
wanting this new contract. They picked up the fifth year option.
(29:33):
I find it hard to believe that they would trade
quinnin Williams. I think the Jets look at this and go,
we feel like we've got a Super Bowl contender. We
want to bring back as many people as possible. And
now Quinn Williams kind of throws a wrench into this
whole thing by scrubbing the Jets from his social media.
I'm just trying to figure out when this became a thing,
because I have somebody.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That I would like to blame for this, right.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The people who took the bait on Facebook. And you
know who you are, and you may be listening to
this and you might even fall for this crap to
this day. But when you saw somebody that you were
quote unquote friends with on FB post some vague, weird
(30:17):
thing on their their status one day that said, right
when you think you knew somebody dot dot dot, Wow,
what a revelation.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I thought you were different dot dot dot.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And then everybody writes underneath and says, what's wrong?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
What's going on? Everything? Like the people that were week
oh on my story, did people take debate? No? Yeah,
and see nobody cared? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, I mean listen, it's just the idea that anybody
would fall for this crap.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Here's a rule. Didn't fall for it on my page.
This is a rule.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I think everybody should follow this rule because I followed
this rule back when I allowed me a.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
King of the mammals on idea. By the way, go
go follow me right now. King of the mammals, yeah
yeahotm yeah, King of the mammals is that's the acronym this.
This should be a rule anytime you post some crap
like that on your social media. Two weeks in jail, right,
that's first offense, geez. Second offense is six months. And
(31:20):
then if you really want to get them where they
hurt the third time around, they've got to get rid
of all of their social media, all of it for
an extended period of time. And by extended period of time,
I'm talking about two three years, putting your account on
lockdown too, gone probation, yeah, solitaire.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And in fact, if you want to really punish them,
put them in the hole like do frayin off Shawshank
and just dangle cell phones over the top, you know,
and like like they've got to like reach up for
it and they can't grab it.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You know. It's like bats floating down.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
But it's like a bunch of iPhone thirteen's with like
with their Facebook kind of glaring in front of him. Hey,
look what everybody else can do, and you can't do
it because your candy ass wanted to throw a pity
party on social media years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's what needs to happen.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
That's what started all this, and it might be the
reason why the New York Jets don't win a Super
Bowl because Quinn Williams wanted to throw a bunch of
dots in the back of his defensive tackle block bloh bloh,
bloh blot, instead of just announcing I'm a New York Jet,
I'm on a fifth year option. I'm making just under
ten million dollars. Hopefully we can get something done long term.
It's been ruined, everything's been destroyed because of social media.
(32:32):
You would never behave like this back in the day.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know, I would. I would not. I definitely would
not handle things this way. But I don't know how
I would handle things if I were playing during social
media age. If I'm starting to to make make a
(32:58):
push towards getting a content track, this might be. This
might be a part of how I do it. I
don't know. I can't I can't forecast that because I
wasn't around for you know, the social media wasn't around
during that time. But I'll tell you what, the the
mess that I went through with Washington, if there was
(33:21):
social media, it would have went down differently because I
would have exposed him like right there, real time, Dan Snyder, oh,
little Danny, Little Danny. I would have exposed him real time.
And that's not like there was still a level of
control by what messaging was coming out in the media
(33:42):
back then. So there you know between Gibbs and and uh,
who is the coach that was with him that coached
the deal or coach the offensive line coach, the Hogs
all Bugle Bugle Bugle, like they they were like talking
crazy about me in the media and then Greg Williams
(34:03):
and all of them are talking crazy about me, and
like Joe Bugle, Joe Bugle, was he the Cardinals head
coach at one point in time? Yes, correct, that's nineteen
nineties football knowledge, did now Jesus, I mean he has
gone so so, I mean he is gone, I know,
(34:25):
but you sure you know thoughts and prayer, sure you know.
I mean I was just letting you know. You was
talking like you was talking like you was going it
was going to get him on for an interview or
something later on. But no, I knew where he's not
coming on the show. I knew where he coached. I
just I didn't. I mean, I just didn't know. If
you knew that here I was, you were aware. I
was aware of that, Okay. Anyway, just there was a
(34:48):
lot of things that were being put out there, and
when you're an athlete back then, you're you're you're at
the mercy of the writers and the reporters. Something goes
national and and and and it's you know, it wasn't
about viral, it was just it was a national story.
Then now the story is written in a way, or
(35:11):
it's reported in a way that's generally not going to
be play or friendly. So now I have this this
you know, identity crisis taking place, and and and how
I'm being viewed, and I have no way to combat it.
Who is the ahle in Washington and wrote about you?
(35:31):
There's got to be one, you know. For the most part,
I had some really really cool people in Washington, and
they were just putting positions where they had to play
it safe because they were beat writers. Like from what's
there Cindy, what's Cindy's name? I can't remember Cindy's Lawford, No, No,
there's Cindy. Then there's John Kyme, there's David Elfin. Obviously,
(35:56):
there's Dan Steinberg. You know, there there was some around
who can't I saw him after every game. Was then
Tony Corniser, Yeah, I didn't see Tony though Tony wasn't
really a part of what was going on with the
football team, but Cindy Boring, There you go, there you go. Yeah,
(36:18):
that's it. So we had some really good writers, but
they were still left to have to take the information
that was coming from me and take the information that
was coming from them and try to be somewhere like
down the line. And it just didn't. It didn't come
across right. See if you had, if we had the platforms.
The one thing that you don't see play out now,
(36:39):
you don't really see character assassinations take place from from
organizations anymore. Like that's not something that you can do.
You can't use the media to devalue a player and
then get rid of him or character assassinate anymore, because
you're you're direct. They direct to the to the viewer,
(37:00):
to the listener, to the fan.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The Cardinals did to Terry McDonough, that former executive, and
that's still going on now. Defamation of characters popped up well, and.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's basically saying that, you know, or the Cardinals are
saying that he did it. They're they're still saying he
did it. So I mean, don't I don't know who's
right or who's wrong. But I'll tell you what. If
you have influence, like if you have influence, and you
have a follower of a community, a built community of
(37:31):
people who pay attention to what you're doing. You now
have a stronger voice than what you've ever had your
your your own media. And and and athletes, a lot
of athletes are understanding that they're understanding how social media works,
they're understanding how content works, and they're using it to
(37:52):
their advantage. And and so in a way, it might
it might be uncomfortable seeing how these guys do some things,
you know, and how they start negotiation tactics by using
their social media. But I mean, it really is an
evolution of how you approach things, and it's kind of
like you're leveraging your following.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
So let me ask you this, because one of the
great injustices on this show is how I get fined
ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
From being passive aggressive Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
When in reality I'm being a smart ass, But still
I'm being punished for trying to add a little bit
of comedy to some of these serious topics of conversation
that we discuss. Wouldn't you say that this sort of
behavior on social media is classic passive aggressiveness?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Okay, So then why aren't all these a holes fined.
Why isn't Quinn Williams being fined ten dollars right now?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Because they don't have to go by our rules. But
I'm unjustly punished, right well yeah, yeah, yeah right, Like
this is passive aggressive me making a smart ass.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Remark and I'm I'm out ten dollars, Like it's getting
to the point where I can't afford to do the
show anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
It's very passive aggressive. It's very passive aggressive, but it's
effective because it it We live in a social media
mob driven culture. I'm gonna say that again. We live
in a social media mob driven country. What's a mob
(39:32):
driven and and and so it's it's like, please please
the mob, please the hoard, and whoever has the attention
of of their their categories and and and communities, they're
they're able to do things. So there's probably a large
contingency of New York Jets fans that are looking at
(39:52):
what Quinn is doing and like, what what is going on?
And now that creates the conversation, and then we're spending
a segment talking about it, and then it becomes more
of a story, and then it gains it gains momentum,
and then the next thing, you know, you got to
have the conversation because everybody's talking about why Quinnan took
down being a Jets employee or I played for the
(40:13):
Jets off of his social media, and you one hundred
percent know that it's a negotiation play.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So just so we're clear here, when a professional athlete
is passive aggressive, they usually get paid. When I'm passive aggressive,
I usually have to pay.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, technically, you get paid too. Your passive aggressiveness has
led to you being part Partially it's part of you
being a good radio host. So they make money, but
I lose. You make money doing the same thing. You
make money too, and ten dollars is not a bad deal.
Your passive aggressiveness is a little bit different. It's just
(40:52):
the whole thing's unfair. Maybe you're right, I mean you haven't.
How many times have you paid? Once or twice? Okay, Yeah,
I made my donation, I did my part. It is
that was that'll be ten dollars. Okay, that was very passive.
What do you mean? Yeah, that was passive aggressive. Okay,
well you know I put it on my tab. Yeah,
(41:14):
that'll be another two dollars. What do you have this?
I got your ten dollars right here. Now, you're just
being aggressive aggressive, I gotta talk to HR.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
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