May 17, 2023 • 49 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Nuggets take game 1 of the Western Conference Finals but the guys think the Lakers can win the series as long as AD cancels out Jokic. LaVar calls out Ja Morant for not understanding his privilege and the Old P, Petros Papadakis weighs in on the Lakers loss and gives a Jamaican history lesson not to be missed.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple. Joe
with Lamar Rings and Brady Winn and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm not in the move for your s today, Jonas,
sorry about that. Good morning everyone. Yeah, got your sanitizer wife. Yeah, yeah,
you got them all on your side. Who hooks it up?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Lotion boy, hand lotion, rubber soft as hands boy, Get
out of here. Good morning, Brady, morning, guys. Take it
out of here. Berto's punk. Let me tell you something,
sanitation and I got and I got some beef with
Berto too, saying I breathed like his American I'm just
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getting it all off my chest right now. He said
that a while ago, though, Yeah, well he's just now
got here.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That wow.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Chest now gotten opportunity to address his ass. You know
what's amazing about the video.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I thought it was going to be a quick clip
of Berto's dog breathing heavy.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He kept on the camera. Yeah, he kept a significant
amount of time. Yeah, really, get enjoyed the dog. It
was a good, good looking dog. It is a good
looking American bulldog.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, great dog.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah. I thought he should have been a different type
of bulldog. I thought he should have been a Mexican racist. Hey,
you understands Spanish. He understands Spanish and he's a bilingual bulldog.
So I was like, I couldn't be mad at that.
My brother got his dog to understand Spanish. Instead of saying.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Pa, he said pata and he always puts his pow up,
So you gotta understand. I swear to God that's true.
I'm not it's not a joke. Okay, they're intelligent dog.
They're intelligent, no more Spanish than I do.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Why would you think they would be intelligent? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah? Why Jonas? It's a dog? You got something against dogs? Racist?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean they lie around and lick their cross all day.
How smart are they?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I don't know, Maybe they're genius?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jealous?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Why did they stop and look at themselves?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Though?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like when they do it like it's it's the weirdest thing,
the way they be doing it, Like why didn't you stop?
And then they look at you like you're the a hole?
Like why are you peeping me doing this right now?
I think you're weird when you're taking it dumb? They're
looking at you. How come you're looking at it? You're
looking at me? But they do have a point. Why
always say people that think that animals are like their
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kids and they're they're human beings and all that stuff.
I would love to see you being walked by your
dog and you alleviating yourself on the sidewalk and the
dog some way, somehow figuring out how to clean up
after you. When that becomes a norm, then you can
say they're they're people like you're a person. That's what
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I would say.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It is pretty amazing though, when people just leave it
lying around, like they'll just let their.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Dogs on walks and just leave it lying around. You
ever see the ones? You got so many different types
of people that do it that way too, Like you
have the ones that are just blatant, they just do
it and they just keep walking like it didn't even happen.
But then you have the ponderers, you know, they they
ponder like, hmmm, I don't have a bag, Like I'm
coming to the conclusions for them, because I don't know
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if this is really what they're thinking. But you can
clearly tell they're thinking about what it is that's going on,
Like my dog just alleviated itself, but I don't know
how I'm going to pick it up Okay, I probably
can't pick it up. I'm just gonna like walk off.
Then they ponder one more time as they're walking off,
like huh, should I really try to figure out a
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way to get it? And then they just keep walking
like I don't know very you know, you're walking your
dog like be prepared, like outside of loose loose dog
like stuff, just be prepared to handle your dog stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Many why is there not vapou rise. I know that
was a movie. Yeah, but it really should exist.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It really should exist by now.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
We should have the ability you care aut a little spray,
You spray some stuff on it and it disappears.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, I don't care where it goes.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Wait is that a thing? Is that? Really? It was
Jack black He got rich off of it. Jack Jack,
black Jack? What are we doing here? This is I
mean professional Jack black is hal that is? Yeah, that
would be fantastic. Just spray it and it just just disappeared.
Vapras Yeah, I mean he was always like it was
a shop in network.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
It was almost like the Lakers coming back last night,
Points and then.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Great Point and speaking of dogs, have a couple of
big wait, way to do it? Way to do it?
You way to do it, way to pull us back
on to the rails. Because h and Jokic going at
it his own.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Transition his head. He just hes stuck with it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You but you pulled you pulled U. You pulled us
in Denver a evan around man, Like the Lakers are
are going to have their hands full. Yeah, Like I
got a little dicey in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And for as good as Joe Bach was the first
three quarters, and he was borderline historic, he was fantastic,
Anthony Davis outplayed him down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean he did.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And Davis was phenomenal as well too. And we were
mentioning it yesterday, Brady, this is one of the rare
times where a Lebron involved series. He's not part of
the matchup that everybody's looking at. Like everybody's watching Joker
and ad go head to head, and those guys put
on an absolute clinic last night.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That was funny they did.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
And honestly, I would argue this, So I understand everyone's
watching Yo Kitsch and Anthony Davis, but if the expectation
is if those two are going at it, then it's
it's really this the role players are anyway, everyone else
for the Lakers and for the Nuggets, and who's gonna
step up? And my thing is, you know, if like
Jokic has been doing this, he's been the best player
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throughout the entire playoffs consistently, it's it's not even close.
And my thing is, can Anthony Davis step up every
single night's that level? Because Denver doesn't have a choice.
Jokis just does that. He falls out on the floor
and he rolls out a triple double. That's just the
style of game, that their style of play. And so
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then it comes down to can Anthony Davis do that
and you know, maintain with that every single game of
the series. And if he can, and as long as
he gets enough from Lebron like they should be able
to win this series. And that was what was surprising
last night is as good as Ad was down the stretch,
which I mean, look, he was a good down to stretch.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Jokica played him.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
You have a dude who you know, scores a triple double,
the way he facilitates the rebound, everything he does, you know,
to me down the stretch, that's great.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Anthony Davis stepped up. He played really well last night.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Jokicic was still the player of the game because you
know everything has to go through him. It doesn't have
to with Anthony Davis because you've got Lebron. But the
interesting thing was is like it at least last night,
and if a series goes that way, if you get
what you got out of Anthony Davis and still not
enough to win, you got a problem for You're the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You got twenty six, twelve and nine out of Lebron
two to Anthony Davis is forty ten and three, three steals,
ten rebounds, forty points and you still lost.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Like, well, here's the Here's what I'll say is you
can't ask for more out of a D. It's got
to come from Lebron. That's just that's much of it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How much more can you get out of Lebron?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
He's got to score thirty plus man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's just that they're in the trouble.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Then I would say the Lakers also's not named Lebron
and ad. Their bench production has been better throughout the
course of the playoffs, and Denvers has like ruy Hachima
was great, he actually played really good.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Deals is their best player man outside of a D.
He's their best player, how Chi Mora, Well, he played
great defensive a joker late in that game, and I
think even Van Gundy was saying they felt like they
found something with Ruy Hachimora matching up with him, because
it kind of leaves Anthony Davis to roam around, and
then you've got Austin Reeves who played well and he's
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hitting clutch shot after clutch shot. I just I feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
They say they figured out in the fourth quarter it
would be an interesting game too. Then we'll see if
he could stop jokers.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm just saying like that was something that they looked at,
and La played much better down the second half of
the stretch. I mean, it feels like there was something
that they could look at and say, all right, we
can take that into Game two. That being said, that
felt like a missed opportunity last night, especially when they
got back.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
In that game. They were down three and they just
came up short.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And when you go down that deficit to what happened
and Anthony Davis putting on that sort of a performance
late and you still lose. That's why as much as
you can look at it as a moral victory, I
still go yeah, they're down one nothing and Joker still
got his early on. But you know, you're trying to
find some positivity and whatever the Lakers can take out
of last night.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You sound like Lakers fans, trun.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
I'm just I'm saying, listen, did at any point in
time did they actually lead the game to nothing?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, to begin right after that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But they cut it down to three, and Joker was not.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I know, I watched.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I'm just saying, like, if I'm the Lakers again, I
feel more concerned than anything else that we got everything
we could have hoped for.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
From a D and it still wasn't enough.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
And I guess, to LaVar's point, like, can we ask
for more out of Lebron?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I think that's that's going to be the hardest
proposition here, because you might have got everything out of
Lebron that you could have got out of Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
And I know Jonas is really pulling for the Lakers,
trust me. I know you know from from the Saturday show,
you do. I know everyone you know talks about you
being carried their bag.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm just saying this the Lakers cabana boy, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Well, it sounds like it right now because they were
getting their ass whooped.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
It was. It was horseshoes and the fourth pointy.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm not saying moral victory. I'm just saying you walk
away from that game. Well, I'm saying if you are
somebody who's looking at a moral victory, I don't know
that that exists here. But down the stretch, Anthony Davis
was better than djok. The problem was the first three quarters, and.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Which that's where the whole book is. You know, you
don't just fast forward to the last chapter.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
What was the what's the seed of the Nuggets? They're
the one seed? Right, Yeah, I mean if you really
think about it, you're talking about a one seat versus
a play in team.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I mean in the end, shouldn't we really be.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Expecting Denver to win?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yes, Well, that's the thing is that's kind of my
expectation with this. But the difference is, I think the
Lakers have played really well throughout the playoffs. The Lakers
and Heat both have and I don't know that you know,
if you're looking at the playoffs, those are the two
hot teams. And then you look at Denver and you
just say, well, they're the one seed, Like they've played
this kind of way all year, which is essentially how
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the game went right. You had the entirety of the
game and how Denver played to push and put themselves
in such a big lead that the fourth quarter ultimately
it made it entertaining, but it really didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Is the best player in the league, right, Yeah, I
mean he's better than Embiid, and I know Embid's the MVP.
And that's sparked a discussion, h you know, people calling
out race and all the other things that came along.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Is that what they did?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah? I mean that was but of course, you know
what's crazy. If Joker was black, you wouldn't have to
do that. His guys, Jokers white. That you got is
the thing you got. You gotta preface all so, I
know it's become about race and this, that and the other.
But when you think about it, the Joker is the
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best player in the NBA, right if he was black,
you would have to do that. You watch him playing,
which is wow, Like you know, you know there's this
whole race thing about Embiid, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know what I mean, like, why you got to
do that?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right? Knowing that with Embiid or you just you watch
Joker and it's just so easy.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It looks like he's not trying. His expression never changes.
He's just so and it makes you wonder the way
his style of play.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We talk about Steph and him being able to shoot
the basketball, He's going to be able to age gracefully
because it's going to be difficult for him to lose
his shot. Joker feels like the same guy. If he
moves at this pace now, he could just stay at
this pace and continue to be productively like his career.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, until seven. He can be a dominant player in
the NBA until he seven. It's it's really awesome to watch, man.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's fun and I don't know that he just sort
of just cruises and then he hits a shot at
the buzzer and he looks at Ad and he's like whatever,
Like this is just how I work.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
That threats.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
It was like the sign of okay, it doesn't matter
what happens the rest of it. This thing just isn't
go in the direction of the Lakers tonight. It wasn't
their night.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
By the way, for those you interested, you want to
hear a series price after one game, what is it
that the Lakers are plus two twenty. So if you
are somebody who looks last night's game and thinks, you
know what, I'm optimistic. I feel like the Lakers a
plus two twenty to win the series is an option
I'd like to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You can go to DraftKings and get it right.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
You really are carrying their water.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Hum just saying like that's you know, possibility if you
are interested in the Lakers after what you saw last
night late in that game.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
There we got Petros coming on today.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Talk some sense in you.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, and is that what he's going to do?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, patr Petro's uh, you know, always always a fun
ride with Petros. I mean that is see who he
pisses off this week.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He definitely went out through.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And by the way, just so just so those are
that they're looking in the game too.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
With Nuggets minus five and I half, yeah that came
to Yeah, it's not a big number, but I think
they came into this one a seven point favorite, so
you know, not much has changed, but maybe that fourth
quarter really you know, knocked it down a point and
a half their jonas.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think it was six. The Gig came into the
game last night at six.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah, I've got to have a seven of the book
I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So, I mean listen books very you know that goes
you know, sports book here, sportsbook there. You never know,
point being one nothing. The Denver Nuggets have a lead
and that Jonas is very upset about this. Listen. I'm
I'm all good. I didn't have any money online. You know,
I don't have a dog in the I don't have
a dog in the fight. It's not a lot of lotion,
but it's it's it's definitely handy for his hands. Yes,
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you know, it's definitely his convenient hand lotion dispenser. You
guys don't work with your hands. You're not familiar with that.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
There's there's a part of it like feels like Jonas
really wants them to win and go to the NBA Finals.
So it gives Jonas more material. He feels like there's
gonna be nothing to talk about in LA if this
team can't because out.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, you don't just work with us, you work
with some other.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's true, he does local. Yeah, the blow torch.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Do you need you need this content?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I'm glad. I'm glad you brought that up. I'll be
on the blow Torch and five seventy this Friday. Oh wow, yeah, Petros,
are you going to be in studio with him? We'll
see trying to figure that out. Well, you know, some
technical stuff going on, so we'll see see how that works.
A big deal, man, I'm telling you they're grooming him
to go do his own show.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Like yeah right, trust me, that's what he wants.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, we'll be all right. Absolutely, we'll just hang out
around here, you know, do what we need to do.
Can I hang out to you know, Jonas and Lee
will be on their way to just be me and Edmund.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, Todd will be there too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, Todd will be a part of the Todd You
Berto and Berto's dog? No, why not? Not so much? Okay,
Oh no, you'd have to ask Berto.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Okay, Well, if this is two pros and a cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Very contentious first first, well, I mean people shooting shocks.
In fairness to LeVar, he did nothing, and Berto came
out fire he did he did I'm gonna called me
a dog shure, whoop your ass on, brick.
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
Lvar, you mentioned this in your Good, Bad and Ugly,
You talked about Ja Moran, right, yeah, And so for
those of you out there, don't, by the way, anybody
listening on the blow Torch Am five to seventy LA
Sports for a full recap and in depth.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Dive of that game.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
We're turning over to none other than Petros Papadeka's coming
up in about twenty minutes from now, so I'm sure
he'll be nothing but positive about that whole situation. But
when it comes to the Ja Moran situation, which was
Levar's ugly and our Good, Bad and Ugly a short time.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Ago, I mean, would you guys agree.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, it's not a great look, not a great look
for anybody involved. And so now the conversation turns to
what happens now, Yeah, that's a great and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's don't you guys feel like that is a significantly
great question? How harsh should the penalty be, because again,
whether people want to acknowledge this or not, you could
be as offended by this as you, like you could
kiss my ass. It is a privilege to be able
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to make the type of money that guys make playing
professional sports.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Not it is.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It is not anything else, not a right, it's not
your right. It's a privilege. And with that, with that
being said, you earn the opportunity to be able to
be privileged enough to be compensated for playing a professional sport.
So when you when you make a mistake, you make
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a mistake, you get reprimanded for it, you get a
penalty for it. You're punished for it, you learn from it,
you show attrition, and is it attrition? Contrition? You show
contrition and and and you know, you show some remorse
and and and you show understanding that what you did
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was incorrect, and you're going to be better for it
moving forward. When you don't do that to me, you're
disqualifying your right. You're disqualifying that privilege to be able
to participate like and and I don't I don't find
that to be egregious. I don't find that to be
too aggressive to do this two times in the amount
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of time that he's done it, I wouldn't be sure.
I would I would seriously think that the NBA should
consider suspending him for a season, not for a couple games,
for season. And you know what, if you make the
same mistake again, then I mean, I think we got
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to ban you from the league until further conversations need
to take place. But I don't think that with all
of the things that are going on as it applies
to firearms in America, and you don't need to be
a freaking brain surgeon to see all of the mass
shootings that are taking place and all of the gun
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violence and all of the gun conversations that are taking
place in America. You don't have to be a rocket
scientist to see that this is part of what's going
on in our society right now. This is a problem.
And you have a star warth, you have a megastar
who's brandishing a firearm and doing it recklessly.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And loosely out here in these streets.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
If you want that to be the example and the
standard that you're setting as the National Basketball Association, that
you're you're okay with one of your star employees doing this. Then,
you know, I think you have to accept the consequences
and the repercussions that go along with you allowing for
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this to actually be minimized and be okay. I don't
think you can minimize it, and I don't think you
can allow for it to just be okay. That's my
take on it. Well.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, was asked about
this last night on ESPN about his thoughts initially when
he saw the video and also what a potential punishment
or what the ramifications could be.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Here was the NBA commission.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Honestly, I was shocked when I saw this weekend that video.
Now we're in the process of investigating it and we'll
figure out exactly what happened to the best we can.
Then it's again it's the videos of bit grainy and
all that, but I'm assuming the worst, you know, but
we'll figure out, you know, exactly what happened. The consequence
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is there an eight game suspension was pretty serious and
something that he, at least to me, seemed to take incredibly.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Seriously in that time.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
And we spoke for a long time about not just
the consequences that could have on his career, but the
safety issues around it could have injured man, killed himself
someone else with an act like that. And also the
acknowledgment that, as you said, he's a star, I mean,
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he has an incredibly huge following, and that my concern.
And I thought he shared with me that millions of
not tens of millions of kids globally would see him
as having done something that was celebrating in a way.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You know that that act, I mean you celebrating being
a thug, is what he wanted to say. Like, let's
just be clear what he was trying to dance around,
because culturally speaking, he doesn't want to get canceled by
canceled culture, but the whole words thug, that's synonymous with
anytime somebody of color does something incorrect. He didn't want
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he wanted to dance around it. But be clear, Jahn
Morant is doing things with a firearm that portrays him
in the light of being a thug, period. And if
you want to be offended by a black man saying
another black man is doing acts that portray them in
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the light and in the way of being a thug,
be my guest. I have absolutely zero issue with it.
If you got a problem with me because I'm saying it,
I guess have a problem with me because you know
what chances are you're probably a thug too, or you
harbor one, you raised one, you own one, whatever it
may be, you got one on your hands. If you
got a problem with what I'm saying, because if you're
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okay with what John Moran is doing and damaging his
career the way that he's doing it, unnecessarily, unneeded, unwarranted,
for no reason whatsoever, that's what Silver wanted to say.
If we're being real about it, if we're going to
keep it one hundred percent a buck from the hip,
that's the problem here. He makes himself look like a thug.
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He makes your league look like you're condoning having thugs
in your league. Period. That's what he wanted to say
without getting canceled, so he couldn't say it the way
he wanted to say it. But I'll say here on
two pros and a cup of Joe, that's what he meant.
That's what he wanted to say, and he would not
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have been incorrect and saying so Adam Sous got to
lay the hammer down.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Take a little different approach to this in talking about
it in the sense that of all the commissioners, Adam
Silver tries to be the good guy. He tries to
be friends with everyone, he tries to be likable. Where's
that gotten the NBA? In all seriousness, Like, if I
was an NBA owner, I would be so incredibly hard
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on Adam Silver to be like Roger Goodell. And the
interesting thing about Roger Godell's he's very polarizing. Most people
don't like him, or maybe there's some hatred towards it,
if you.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Want to use that word.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
But the truth of the matter is the NFL is
by far and away the most healthy and best professional
sport in America, maybe even the world, And in large
part you can look at the success and the way
it's pulled away from other professional sports and attributed to
(24:57):
when Roder Godell took over as commissioner, he's stern with
how he's handled matters like this and a player conduct
policy which was always within the collective bardiing agreement, mind you,
the commissioner's powers to do what he has done, what
Roger Goodell has done to discipline players, it was.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Always in there.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
It was never enforced the way Roger Goodell has, and
maybe even he's led up to some degree over the
years as they've encountered different obstacles. But he has put
the NFL in this position because he's taken on the
villain role where he's okay being booed by the masses
(25:37):
when he walks out during the draft, or booed when
he walks into a stadium, or where merch is made
about him, you know, with a clown.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Knows, whatever the case, he's okay with that.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
You won't to know why, because he's being paid a
ridiculous amount of money to run the best professional sports
league in America, and he's okay with being the villain.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
He's okay with being the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
He's okay with doing the work that has to be
done in order to make sure every single owner is happy.
If there's any issue with a player in their conduct,
it's gonna be it's gonna be addressed, it's gonna be handled.
It may not always be perfect, because every scenario is
situation is unique, and there's legal matters that play a
role too, as along with the judicial system that plays
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a role. But you couldn't find in my opinion two
further commissioners in the manner in which they handle themselves,
where Adam Silver just wants to be liked by everyone,
which just wants to get along, and Roger Goodell could
give two craps.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
He could care less because.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He knows there's stars coming up every single year in
the league, which you could make the case, yeah, the
NBA stars tend to last a little bit longer and
they've got more sway, but in part because there hasn't
been that line drawn.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
There hasn't and this is.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
An this is a an area specifically that Adam Silver
should put his foot down and be cognizant of everything
else like LaVar is talking about that's going on in
our country, in our society and start trying to become
a bad guy.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And whether that fits him or not, so be it.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
But if I was, I don't know even who the
strongest owners are in the NBA, but I'd be calling
him right now and being like, you gotta do something
about this, like before a tragedy happens with John Morant
or another athlete, because that's the other thing. What happens
when you allow John Moran to continue this pattern, It
only opens up then the possibility of other players to
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follow suit knowing that these are the repercussions they're gonna face.
Adam Silver is gonna potentially set a precedent one way
or another, whether he punishes John Morant and the length
of which he doesn't, or if he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And he lets him off soft.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
You're gonna find other players that eventually find themselves in
this situation and they're gonna say, well, I know I
can get away with it because we've got a soft commissioner.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He's not going to punish me the way it was
if it was a different professional sport.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I mean, that's That's the other thing that needs to
be factored in here is at some point Adam Silver
has to put his foot down and he can't be
everyone's friend.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's got to be the commissioner of the NBA. What's
your best guess? What do you guys think he gets
popped for? I think no less than fifty games. I
just I just think as serious as this is now,
it was.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Shocking the first time, and you take it for what
it's worth at face valued. The kid made a mistake.
He's still maturing, you know, he might still be entertaining
the whole you know, his crew type of crew love
type deal like he made a mistake, but after knowing
(28:50):
the severity, which that's that is certainly silver and the
NBA's that should have been their main priority is to
make sure that this is seriously handled and they understand
the magnitude of what he did, and others, as Q mentioned,
others in the league should understand the seriousness, seriousness and
(29:13):
nature of what he's done. And you give him, you
give him the suspension that you gave him for him
to come back and do it again and just casually
be on social media and this time, first time you
was holding your strap. You're holding a gun, but you
weren't holding it with your finger on the trigger.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
He had.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
He was holding the gun this time on camera. This time,
if you catch it on the live, this time, he's
holding it this time, he's got it. He's got it.
He's got it handled this time. Yeah, yeah, he holding
it like that. If you don't suspend him for a
year and and and make it an example of saying
(29:54):
this is you should really have zero tolerance for that
type of behavior. You really should. You should have zero tolerance.
So if you don't suspend him for a year for
the season based off of the severity and nature of
what he did for the second time, because now he knows,
then you have failed to let him know or help
(30:17):
him understand the severity and nature of what he did
as an infraction the first time. And that is now
a that is a criticism, That is something that is
going to fall at the feet of the commissioner and
of the league. And if that's what you want, then
you don't suspend him for a year. You want to
(30:39):
if you want to invite that scrutiny and that criticism
and on what is you have going on and how
you run your operation, then you take a light on him.
But to me, it's got to be no less than
a year and understanding that if you ever do something
of this nature again, now moving forward, you out of
the league. You're gone. This is worse. This is way
(31:02):
worse than failing a drug test. Is worse. You're basically
you're condoning violence. You're a star of a league, and
you're condoning death. Like hello, guns equal death.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Death.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The way you're doing it, the way you're glorifying holding
that strap, you're glorifying violence.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Hello, Well, I think Gilbert Areenas got suspended for a
year when he brought guns to the locker room in Washington.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Were you in Washington? I think he got suspended for
a year, So there has been a precedent and go
figure and that was the dude he was beefing with
with them guns careered in Creadan or whatever is that Crittington? Yeah,
what ended up happening with him?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He went away? Yeah, pay attention. If you're showing that,
that's the type of character you have. If you're showing
that's the type of person you are, look at the correlation.
What about the other one, the dude for that play
for the nets that that had the history of dealing
with guns and messing with guns ended up? Didn't he
shoot his dog and then and then ended up doing
something else and then jacked up as as the car
(32:11):
driver or something like that. Jason Jason William Come on, man.
And then it's always it's always, oh, that's too extreme,
that's too extreme. The critington, look up, criton, tell me
what happened with Crittinton. It had to it was something
for what for what y'all want to talk about? I'm overreacting. Okay,
(32:32):
what did he do? Okay, there we go, There we go.
I happened to study a little sociology and minor then
a little psychology while I was in school, just so
we're clear on the fact that I do break down
psychle analytical and and and mental emotional makeups of how
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people handle things and what they do and and if
you're jacking up animals and stuff like that, you could
be a serial killer, and all these different things that
go into the mental makeup of why people do the
things that they do. And the one thing that you
always learn when you're studying things about how people are
emotionally and mentally, how they're wired. You don't think they're
(33:16):
crazy until they show you they're crazy. You don't think
they're a killer until they show you they're a killer.
You don't even know if you're walking around somebody who
does some of the most heinous acts or does some
of the most violent acts, and different things like that,
you don't know until you see it happen. So if
you're sitting there and you're thinking, oh, this is too light,
or you're taking this way too seriously, or you're going
(33:38):
way down a lane that you shouldn't go down. No,
I'm not, because these are the very people. They showed
you who they were. They showed you who they were,
and you didn't pay attention to it. You didn't make
a decision based off of the person that they showed
you who they were. And the saying goes and will
always remain true. If a person shows you who they are,
(33:59):
believe he's showing you who he is. Bottom line.
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Right now.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
We welcome in the old p on Twitter. He is
Petros Papadeikis. He is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show on the blowtorch Am five seven e
LA Sports. Also a Fox College football analyst as well.
Good Morning Pee. Condolences in advance for what well the
Lakers lost to the Wake Show.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Sorry man, Sorry, sorry, Petros, Sorry man.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
You know, you don't see a lot of headlines when
a team loses a game. That Lakers lose, but they
feel good about the second half. It's like, what would
you write that if Denver lost? Yeah, probably not, you know,
Petros Jodas said that to start the show. He really
was clinging to that narrative.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
And that's where I had to push back it a
little bit because I'm like, you got your ass kick
basically for the first half into the third quarter, and
it was the fourth quarter where you dominated.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
But i mean, what does that mean when you're losing
the adjustments? Brady, You just don't understand. That's right, right,
there's everybody becomes may Smith this time of year. We've
ignored the NBA, and now we're like, well, if they
move Hachima over to Jokich, there you go, they found
(35:56):
something and.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All that and that could bear very well be true.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I'm not Hube Brown, but I think it'll be an
exciting series, and who knows. I think the Lakers can
win it or the Nuggets, okay, because one or the
other is going to win. But the reaction to every
moment on social media and then the headlines about these
(36:24):
series is pretty interesting. And I don't remember it being
like this when I was young, and like the Lakers
and Celtics would be going back and forth with Robert
Parrish and Kareem you know what I mean. I don't
know if everybody on social media would have been like
they made a bunch of lucky shots tonight, We're gonna
win tomorrow. You know, It's like, okay, good luck to
(36:46):
everybody involved. But yes, the headlines are interesting because the
Lakers are the Lakers, and they're a brand that helps
the NBA and they're doing great. And Lebron is Lebron
and he's a brand and that helps the NBA at
least he used to be, and the headline surrounding him
get a lot of clicks, just like it used to
(37:08):
with Kobe. So I understand the league's need to gussie
up a loss or to over celebrate a win, and
maybe the Lakers will make it to the NBA Finals
and we'll have another three weeks of inundation and saturation.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I mean, while we're still in NBA. Let me just
get this one out of the way. I'm curious as
to what your take is on John Morant popping up
with a firearm once.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
I understand you know, I have urges too, and one
of them is when I'm on some kind of social
media live or something, I want to wave a gun around.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I understand.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I don't know, it's a desire inside that you just
you gotta wave a gun around if somebody's taking a
live video.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It's just a certain kind of feeling.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Yeah, It's like when you get home from a law
day and you you you itch itch until you have
that drink, you know, or that beer or whatever. You
reach for that gun or that gun. On social media,
it's not enough to have your gun and to wave
it around. People have to see it waved around and
that you know. It is a Jamaican thing. From what
(38:19):
I understand, because I consume so much Jamaican media that
everybody loves waving guns around in videos. In every Jamaican
video I've ever seen. Uh, but uh, and there is
something to it. It must feel great. You know, I'm
not a gun guy. Uh, I'm not against everybody's guns either.
(38:41):
I don't really know. Uh, they've always uh frightened me,
I think. But uh, but waving a gun around on
camera must feel. It must be an irresistible feeling, you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Know, irresistible.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
On times.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Yeah, I mean, he just it is an amazing thing
that he that he cannot control himself from doing that,
or the thought process that would go through his mind
to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Like I'm going to remove my gun from wherever it
is I have it, and I'm going to show it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, I want everybody to see.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
This very interesting tendris.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
How many Jamaican videos where there flashing hand cannons do
you watch a week?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well, whatever comes out?
Speaker 7 (39:30):
So like He's like, you know, if there's a new
Tommy Lee Sparta song, I'm gonna check it out, you know,
if intensas it. Oh there's a new uh Jamaican artist
called Hype Bastard. Oh wow, and he's got a song
about something very popular in Jamaica which is terrible, which
are lottery schemes where you know, they call old people
(39:53):
in the United States and take advantage of them and
take their mind.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, the emails as well. I feel like there's a
there's all like an email scheme.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, those go through India. The Jamaicans will call you
and be like hello from the bank of the city Bank. Okay,
what happened now, sir, you have lost all your money
and you must go.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That's Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No, Jamaican's like Tina.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Things are going out to street at time, nobody's going
to be at there.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
You go like, wow, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know what I mean when I say I'm on FIS.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
School, I have no idea what you're saying either neither today, just.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Because the language is constantly changing, you know, like the
Jamaican patois I learned in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
From a nanny is different.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
You know, than than it is now, you know, just
like slang term, right, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
But but at the same time it is a language in.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Some words as a language. Yeah, and some words are
broken English really, I mean, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But some words are are you know, like what do
you call a guy that walks around in Jamaica.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
I mean a walk foot man, A walk foot man,
like like you know, you just put those three things together.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Anyway, Petros, could I ask a request.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I love the language.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Simple request. We're not asking you to do Don Martin
or Mike Bone or any of these other guys. Simple requests.
Can you break down and describe a fullback dive play
in Jamaican?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
M mmm.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah yeah, give him you give him the ball and
did it?
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Goal in.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Into the wall, the good med mead by the.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
By the mandem demand them in in a plastic outfit.
Then I look to the fierce mosque and then my
grandson in a new one. You must protect the bond
with arm full farm yeah, no, no one arm runner
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a man.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
That was well done, Pat Gross oh man, I just
like what I just I don't want to hear anything
else from you.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
This is amazing, this is like you look, stop making
me culturally appropriate people now. I love Look, I love
Jamaican culture. I collect the music for years and years
and read the newspaper and all that.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
So how living on the and being like grown up,
being raised in the West Coast, how did you become
so infatuated with with Jamaican culture.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Well, I follow it in a gram feed called white
Rasta Pasta. It's all it's all white guys. So dreadlocks
talking like that, you know, stealing bah bahlah bah bah lah.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
No. Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
We had my parents ran a restaurant at night when
I was you know, around your kid's age, my kid's age.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Uh and uh. And we had a Jamaican Danny for years.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
Uh. And we would listen to you know, not Bob
Marley legend. We listened to real Jamaican music.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
A lot of it.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
I figured out when I got older, was recorded or
done in Britain. But we listened a lot of that.
And she taught us Jamaican culture and so but you know,
when she left, I remained interested in it. And when
we got old enough, an older brother, so we would
go to concerts and uh, you know, we were just
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where we were into it.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's a rough place, you know.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
It's if you read books about Jamaica, you understand what
they mean when they talk talk about political violence, like
what that is. You know, it's not a bunch of
people protesting with giant gauges in their ears. It's it's
much different than that. Uh and uh, I don't know,
I've always found the place interesting. I have a giant
(44:16):
Jamaican Island poster.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
In my room.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What's the name of this Instagram account.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
White Rostapasta.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
You've never seen white rosta It's all like white hippie
people with dreadlocks.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Okay, I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
I'm a bald head though, you know, or a or
a yes and a sum comb. You'd also maybe call
me which means sometimes I comb my hair, which means
I'm not a lot of people have misconceptions about Jamaica
that it is like an island of a bunch of
dreadlocked weed smokers around a gigantic bonfire. And the truth
(44:56):
is like maybe five percent of the population is Rastafarian,
which is, you know, like a Hari Krishna sort of
like somebody who is very adherent to the Old Testament
and all kinds of stuff like that and wears certain
clothes and lives in a certain kind of commune or whatever.
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And that is a misconception.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It's fantastic that was thought he was still going. I
was I was waiting for more.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
No, I'll tell you about the j LP and the
PNP the Jamaican lately.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Because we'll get into the Nazarites and all, well, the
stuff was going on.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Twelve tribes of Israel.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Come on, I thought it's going.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
To go deep.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
But you know, when Jamaica went to Jamaica, when England
gave them their independence, you had a huge struggle that
remains today between these two political parties, one of which
was controlled by the US or the CIA, the other
with a lot of influence from communist governments, including neighboring Cuba,
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especially back in those days. And what they would do
is supply young people like twelve year old boys, yeah,
with m sixteen's and stuff, and just and wear a
certain colored T shirt orange or green, and attack the
the other, the opposition supporting neighborhoods and get after each other.
(46:22):
And when you listen to a lot of the lyrics
of like reggae songs that white people will just be singing,
you know, like, you know, a lot of it is
about that. I couldn't believe the other day I was.
I was at that concert that I I host the
stream for in Redondo Beach called Beach Life, and Sublime
(46:43):
was up there, yea, and they sang you know, be
kisdy week you'd carry us a Week up tvt require
from US a song and it's like, are you guys
really singing about you guys? Five white guys from Long
Beach singing about the slave ship?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Is that happens patrim who?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Time we sing.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
To do that?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Nothing in today's society. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Listen, saydy week carry.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Carry us away.
Speaker 7 (47:22):
It was like us and it's like all white people
at the show looking like it looked like a Bruce
Springsteen concert. Oh man, how can we sing King Alpha's
song in a Strange Land series?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
That's interesting?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, you know it's funny.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
At the end of that show, they had the Whalers play,
which you know, it's not the same band as it was,
you know, in the seventies, but it's a great generational band.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Is Junior still playing? Is he still playing with him? No? No,
well I'm sure he does on still. I mean he's
still with the Whalers that go out now.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
It's the family man, that guy. It's the bass drum combo.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
That is the kind of the But anyway, just everybody's
watching like backstage, like all these bands, all these weird
you know, indie bands and stuff. Came out to watch
the Whalers and they opened the show. So you know,
it's like noon on a Sunday and everybody's like wow,
and I was like, yeah, after you guys watch white
guy reggae bands all weekend. Those are two black guys.
(48:20):
Why on the drum and the bass, that's what it's
supposed to sound like. Those are Jamaican dudes, and it
shook the sand and Medondo Beach. Hopefully we get some
more real reggae acts from Jamaica next year.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Well, you can get him on Twitter at the old
pell if you have any play requests for him to
do in Jamaican.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Maybe he'll provide those with me.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's a one time thing, all right.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
That was well done.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Well done on the spot.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
And then Petros is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which we'll have a special co host
this Friday. I'm hearing rumblings of yeah, the old p
and I aregu.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You've graduated from the good whole college.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah talk about So you can listen to the Petrous
Money Show on AM five seventy l a Sports Fox
college football analyst Pee.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
We appreciate it always fine, Let's do it again. Next week?
Speaker 7 (49:09):
Am I graduate from the good old college sports knowledge?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Eh?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Did y'all know? Did you understand what he said?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
What did he say? He said, keep listening to two
Pros and a Cup of jo on Fox Sports Radio.
That is that what he said. That's exactly what he says.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, I done, Two Pros and a Cup of jaw.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm not in the move for your s today, Jonas,
sorry about that. Good morning everyone. Yeah, got your sanitizer wife. Yeah, yeah,
you got them all on your side. Who hooks it up?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Lotion boy, hand lotion, rubber soft as hands boy, Get
out of here. Good morning, Brady, morning, guys. Take it
out of here. Berto's punk. Let me tell you something,
sanitation and I got and I got some beef with
Berto too, saying I breathed like his American I'm just
(00:48):
getting it all off my chest right now. He said
that a while ago, though, Yeah, well he's just now
got here.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That wow.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Chest now gotten opportunity to address his ass. You know
what's amazing about the video.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I thought it was going to be a quick clip
of Berto's dog breathing heavy.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He kept on the camera. Yeah, he kept a significant
amount of time. Yeah, really, get enjoyed the dog. It
was a good, good looking dog. It is a good
looking American bulldog.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, great dog.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah. I thought he should have been a different type
of bulldog. I thought he should have been a Mexican racist. Hey,
you understands Spanish. He understands Spanish and he's a bilingual bulldog.
So I was like, I couldn't be mad at that.
My brother got his dog to understand Spanish. Instead of saying.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Pa, he said pata and he always puts his pow up,
So you gotta understand. I swear to God that's true.
I'm not it's not a joke. Okay, they're intelligent dog.
They're intelligent, no more Spanish than I do.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Why would you think they would be intelligent? Jonas?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah? Why Jonas? It's a dog? You got something against dogs? Racist?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean they lie around and lick their cross all day.
How smart are they?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I don't know, Maybe they're genius?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jealous?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Why did they stop and look at themselves?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Though?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like when they do it like it's it's the weirdest thing,
the way they be doing it, Like why didn't you stop?
And then they look at you like you're the a hole?
Like why are you peeping me doing this right now?
I think you're weird when you're taking it dumb? They're
looking at you. How come you're looking at it? You're
looking at me? But they do have a point. Why
always say people that think that animals are like their
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kids and they're they're human beings and all that stuff.
I would love to see you being walked by your
dog and you alleviating yourself on the sidewalk and the
dog some way, somehow figuring out how to clean up
after you. When that becomes a norm, then you can
say they're they're people like you're a person. That's what
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I would say.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It is pretty amazing though, when people just leave it
lying around, like they'll just let their.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Dogs on walks and just leave it lying around. You
ever see the ones? You got so many different types
of people that do it that way too, Like you
have the ones that are just blatant, they just do
it and they just keep walking like it didn't even happen.
But then you have the ponderers, you know, they they
ponder like, hmmm, I don't have a bag, Like I'm
coming to the conclusions for them, because I don't know
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if this is really what they're thinking. But you can
clearly tell they're thinking about what it is that's going on,
Like my dog just alleviated itself, but I don't know
how I'm going to pick it up Okay, I probably
can't pick it up. I'm just gonna like walk off.
Then they ponder one more time as they're walking off,
like huh, should I really try to figure out a
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way to get it? And then they just keep walking
like I don't know very you know, you're walking your
dog like be prepared, like outside of loose loose dog
like stuff, just be prepared to handle your dog stuff.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Many why is there not vapou rise. I know that
was a movie. Yeah, but it really should exist.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It really should exist by now.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
We should have the ability you care aut a little spray,
You spray some stuff on it and it disappears.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, I don't care where it goes.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Wait is that a thing? Is that? Really? It was
Jack black He got rich off of it. Jack Jack,
black Jack? What are we doing here? This is I
mean professional Jack black is hal that is? Yeah, that
would be fantastic. Just spray it and it just just disappeared.
Vapras Yeah, I mean he was always like it was
a shop in network.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
It was almost like the Lakers coming back last night,
Points and then.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Great Point and speaking of dogs, have a couple of
big wait, way to do it? Way to do it?
You way to do it, way to pull us back
on to the rails. Because h and Jokic going at
it his own.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Transition his head. He just hes stuck with it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You but you pulled you pulled U. You pulled us
in Denver a evan around man, Like the Lakers are
are going to have their hands full. Yeah, Like I
got a little dicey in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And for as good as Joe Bach was the first
three quarters, and he was borderline historic, he was fantastic,
Anthony Davis outplayed him down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I mean he did.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And Davis was phenomenal as well too. And we were
mentioning it yesterday, Brady, this is one of the rare
times where a Lebron involved series. He's not part of
the matchup that everybody's looking at. Like everybody's watching Joker
and ad go head to head, and those guys put
on an absolute clinic last night.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That was funny they did.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
And honestly, I would argue this, So I understand everyone's
watching Yo Kitsch and Anthony Davis, but if the expectation
is if those two are going at it, then it's
it's really this the role players are anyway, everyone else
for the Lakers and for the Nuggets, and who's gonna
step up? And my thing is, you know, if like
Jokic has been doing this, he's been the best player
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throughout the entire playoffs consistently, it's it's not even close.
And my thing is, can Anthony Davis step up every
single night's that level? Because Denver doesn't have a choice.
Jokis just does that. He falls out on the floor
and he rolls out a triple double. That's just the
style of game, that their style of play. And so
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then it comes down to can Anthony Davis do that
and you know, maintain with that every single game of
the series. And if he can, and as long as
he gets enough from Lebron like they should be able
to win this series. And that was what was surprising
last night is as good as Ad was down the stretch,
which I mean, look, he was a good down to stretch.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Jokica played him.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
You have a dude who you know, scores a triple double,
the way he facilitates the rebound, everything he does, you know,
to me down the stretch, that's great.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Anthony Davis stepped up. He played really well last night.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Jokicic was still the player of the game because you
know everything has to go through him. It doesn't have
to with Anthony Davis because you've got Lebron. But the
interesting thing was is like it at least last night,
and if a series goes that way, if you get
what you got out of Anthony Davis and still not
enough to win, you got a problem for You're the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You got twenty six, twelve and nine out of Lebron
two to Anthony Davis is forty ten and three, three steals,
ten rebounds, forty points and you still lost.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
Like, well, here's the Here's what I'll say is you
can't ask for more out of a D. It's got
to come from Lebron. That's just that's much of it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How much more can you get out of Lebron?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
He's got to score thirty plus man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's just that they're in the trouble.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Then I would say the Lakers also's not named Lebron
and ad. Their bench production has been better throughout the
course of the playoffs, and Denvers has like ruy Hachima
was great, he actually played really good.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Deals is their best player man outside of a D.
He's their best player, how Chi Mora, Well, he played
great defensive a joker late in that game, and I
think even Van Gundy was saying they felt like they
found something with Ruy Hachimora matching up with him, because
it kind of leaves Anthony Davis to roam around, and
then you've got Austin Reeves who played well and he's
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hitting clutch shot after clutch shot. I just I feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
They say they figured out in the fourth quarter it
would be an interesting game too. Then we'll see if
he could stop jokers.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I'm just saying like that was something that they looked at,
and La played much better down the second half of
the stretch. I mean, it feels like there was something
that they could look at and say, all right, we
can take that into Game two. That being said, that
felt like a missed opportunity last night, especially when they
got back.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
In that game. They were down three and they just
came up short.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And when you go down that deficit to what happened
and Anthony Davis putting on that sort of a performance
late and you still lose. That's why as much as
you can look at it as a moral victory, I
still go yeah, they're down one nothing and Joker still
got his early on. But you know, you're trying to
find some positivity and whatever the Lakers can take out
of last night.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You sound like Lakers fans, trun.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
I'm just I'm saying, listen, did at any point in
time did they actually lead the game to nothing?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, to begin right after that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But they cut it down to three, and Joker was not.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I know, I watched.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I'm just saying, like, if I'm the Lakers again, I
feel more concerned than anything else that we got everything
we could have hoped for.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
From a D and it still wasn't enough.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
And I guess, to LaVar's point, like, can we ask
for more out of Lebron?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I think that's that's going to be the hardest
proposition here, because you might have got everything out of
Lebron that you could have got out of Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
And I know Jonas is really pulling for the Lakers,
trust me. I know you know from from the Saturday show,
you do. I know everyone you know talks about you
being carried their bag.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm just saying this the Lakers cabana boy, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Well, it sounds like it right now because they were
getting their ass whooped.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
It was. It was horseshoes and the fourth pointy.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm not saying moral victory. I'm just saying you walk
away from that game. Well, I'm saying if you are
somebody who's looking at a moral victory, I don't know
that that exists here. But down the stretch, Anthony Davis
was better than djok. The problem was the first three quarters, and.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Which that's where the whole book is. You know, you
don't just fast forward to the last chapter.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
What was the what's the seed of the Nuggets? They're
the one seed? Right, Yeah, I mean if you really
think about it, you're talking about a one seat versus
a play in team.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I mean in the end, shouldn't we really be.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Expecting Denver to win?
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yes, Well, that's the thing is that's kind of my
expectation with this. But the difference is, I think the
Lakers have played really well throughout the playoffs. The Lakers
and Heat both have and I don't know that you know,
if you're looking at the playoffs, those are the two
hot teams. And then you look at Denver and you
just say, well, they're the one seed, Like they've played
this kind of way all year, which is essentially how
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the game went right. You had the entirety of the
game and how Denver played to push and put themselves
in such a big lead that the fourth quarter ultimately
it made it entertaining, but it really didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Is the best player in the league, right, Yeah, I
mean he's better than Embiid, and I know Embid's the MVP.
And that's sparked a discussion, h you know, people calling
out race and all the other things that came along.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Is that what they did?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah? I mean that was but of course, you know
what's crazy. If Joker was black, you wouldn't have to
do that. His guys, Jokers white. That you got is
the thing you got. You gotta preface all so, I
know it's become about race and this, that and the other.
But when you think about it, the Joker is the
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best player in the NBA, right if he was black,
you would have to do that. You watch him playing,
which is wow, Like you know, you know there's this
whole race thing about Embiid, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know what I mean, like, why you got to
do that?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right? Knowing that with Embiid or you just you watch
Joker and it's just so easy.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Man.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It looks like he's not trying. His expression never changes.
He's just so and it makes you wonder the way
his style of play.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
We talk about Steph and him being able to shoot
the basketball, He's going to be able to age gracefully
because it's going to be difficult for him to lose
his shot. Joker feels like the same guy. If he
moves at this pace now, he could just stay at
this pace and continue to be productively like his career.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, until seven. He can be a dominant player in
the NBA until he seven. It's it's really awesome to watch, man.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's fun and I don't know that he just sort
of just cruises and then he hits a shot at
the buzzer and he looks at Ad and he's like whatever,
Like this is just how I work.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
That threats.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
It was like the sign of okay, it doesn't matter
what happens the rest of it. This thing just isn't
go in the direction of the Lakers tonight. It wasn't
their night.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
By the way, for those you interested, you want to
hear a series price after one game, what is it
that the Lakers are plus two twenty. So if you
are somebody who looks last night's game and thinks, you
know what, I'm optimistic. I feel like the Lakers a
plus two twenty to win the series is an option
I'd like to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You can go to DraftKings and get it right.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
You really are carrying their water.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Hum just saying like that's you know, possibility if you
are interested in the Lakers after what you saw last
night late in that game.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
There we got Petros coming on today.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Talk some sense in you.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, and is that what he's going to do?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, patr Petro's uh, you know, always always a fun
ride with Petros. I mean that is see who he
pisses off this week.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
He definitely went out through.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And by the way, just so just so those are
that they're looking in the game too.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
With Nuggets minus five and I half, yeah that came
to Yeah, it's not a big number, but I think
they came into this one a seven point favorite, so
you know, not much has changed, but maybe that fourth
quarter really you know, knocked it down a point and
a half their jonas.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think it was six. The Gig came into the
game last night at six.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah, I've got to have a seven of the book
I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
So, I mean listen books very you know that goes
you know, sports book here, sportsbook there. You never know,
point being one nothing. The Denver Nuggets have a lead
and that Jonas is very upset about this. Listen. I'm
I'm all good. I didn't have any money online. You know,
I don't have a dog in the I don't have
a dog in the fight. It's not a lot of lotion,
but it's it's it's definitely handy for his hands. Yes,
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you know, it's definitely his convenient hand lotion dispenser. You
guys don't work with your hands. You're not familiar with that.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
There's there's a part of it like feels like Jonas
really wants them to win and go to the NBA Finals.
So it gives Jonas more material. He feels like there's
gonna be nothing to talk about in LA if this
team can't because out.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, you don't just work with us, you work
with some other.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's true, he does local. Yeah, the blow torch.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Do you need you need this content?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I'm glad. I'm glad you brought that up. I'll be
on the blow Torch and five seventy this Friday. Oh wow, yeah, Petros,
are you going to be in studio with him? We'll
see trying to figure that out. Well, you know, some
technical stuff going on, so we'll see see how that works.
A big deal, man, I'm telling you they're grooming him
to go do his own show.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Like yeah right, trust me, that's what he wants.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, we'll be all right. Absolutely, we'll just hang out
around here, you know, do what we need to do.
Can I hang out to you know, Jonas and Lee
will be on their way to just be me and Edmund.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, Todd will be there too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, Todd will be a part of the Todd You
Berto and Berto's dog? No, why not? Not so much? Okay,
Oh no, you'd have to ask Berto.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Okay, Well, if this is two pros and a cup
of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Very contentious first first, well, I mean people shooting shocks.
In fairness to LeVar, he did nothing, and Berto came
out fire he did he did I'm gonna called me
a dog shure, whoop your ass on, brick.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
Lvar, you mentioned this in your Good, Bad and Ugly,
You talked about Ja Moran, right, yeah, And so for
those of you out there, don't, by the way, anybody
listening on the blow Torch Am five to seventy LA
Sports for a full recap and in depth.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Dive of that game.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
We're turning over to none other than Petros Papadeka's coming
up in about twenty minutes from now, so I'm sure
he'll be nothing but positive about that whole situation. But
when it comes to the Ja Moran situation, which was
Levar's ugly and our Good, Bad and Ugly a short time.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Ago, I mean, would you guys agree.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, it's not a great look, not a great look
for anybody involved. And so now the conversation turns to
what happens now, Yeah, that's a great and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's don't you guys feel like that is a significantly
great question? How harsh should the penalty be, because again,
whether people want to acknowledge this or not, you could
be as offended by this as you, like you could
kiss my ass. It is a privilege to be able
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to make the type of money that guys make playing
professional sports.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Not it is.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It is not anything else, not a right, it's not
your right. It's a privilege. And with that, with that
being said, you earn the opportunity to be able to
be privileged enough to be compensated for playing a professional sport.
So when you when you make a mistake, you make
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a mistake, you get reprimanded for it, you get a
penalty for it. You're punished for it, you learn from it,
you show attrition, and is it attrition? Contrition? You show
contrition and and and you know, you show some remorse
and and and you show understanding that what you did
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was incorrect, and you're going to be better for it
moving forward. When you don't do that to me, you're
disqualifying your right. You're disqualifying that privilege to be able
to participate like and and I don't I don't find
that to be egregious. I don't find that to be
too aggressive to do this two times in the amount
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of time that he's done it, I wouldn't be sure.
I would I would seriously think that the NBA should
consider suspending him for a season, not for a couple games,
for season. And you know what, if you make the
same mistake again, then I mean, I think we got
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to ban you from the league until further conversations need
to take place. But I don't think that with all
of the things that are going on as it applies
to firearms in America, and you don't need to be
a freaking brain surgeon to see all of the mass
shootings that are taking place and all of the gun
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violence and all of the gun conversations that are taking
place in America. You don't have to be a rocket
scientist to see that this is part of what's going
on in our society right now. This is a problem.
And you have a star warth, you have a megastar
who's brandishing a firearm and doing it recklessly.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And loosely out here in these streets.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
If you want that to be the example and the
standard that you're setting as the National Basketball Association, that
you're you're okay with one of your star employees doing this. Then,
you know, I think you have to accept the consequences
and the repercussions that go along with you allowing for
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this to actually be minimized and be okay. I don't
think you can minimize it, and I don't think you
can allow for it to just be okay. That's my
take on it. Well.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, was asked about
this last night on ESPN about his thoughts initially when
he saw the video and also what a potential punishment
or what the ramifications could be.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Here was the NBA commission.
Speaker 8 (20:56):
Honestly, I was shocked when I saw this weekend that video.
Now we're in the process of investigating it and we'll
figure out exactly what happened to the best we can.
Then it's again it's the videos of bit grainy and
all that, but I'm assuming the worst, you know, but
we'll figure out, you know, exactly what happened. The consequence
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is there an eight game suspension was pretty serious and
something that he, at least to me, seemed to take incredibly.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Seriously in that time.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
And we spoke for a long time about not just
the consequences that could have on his career, but the
safety issues around it could have injured man, killed himself
someone else with an act like that. And also the
acknowledgment that, as you said, he's a star, I mean,
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he has an incredibly huge following, and that my concern.
And I thought he shared with me that millions of
not tens of millions of kids globally would see him
as having done something that was celebrating in a way.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You know that that act, I mean you celebrating being
a thug, is what he wanted to say. Like, let's
just be clear what he was trying to dance around,
because culturally speaking, he doesn't want to get canceled by
canceled culture, but the whole words thug, that's synonymous with
anytime somebody of color does something incorrect. He didn't want
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he wanted to dance around it. But be clear, Jahn
Morant is doing things with a firearm that portrays him
in the light of being a thug, period. And if
you want to be offended by a black man saying
another black man is doing acts that portray them in
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the light and in the way of being a thug,
be my guest. I have absolutely zero issue with it.
If you got a problem with me because I'm saying it,
I guess have a problem with me because you know
what chances are you're probably a thug too, or you
harbor one, you raised one, you own one, whatever it
may be, you got one on your hands. If you
got a problem with what I'm saying, because if you're
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okay with what John Moran is doing and damaging his
career the way that he's doing it, unnecessarily, unneeded, unwarranted,
for no reason whatsoever, that's what Silver wanted to say.
If we're being real about it, if we're going to
keep it one hundred percent a buck from the hip,
that's the problem here. He makes himself look like a thug.
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He makes your league look like you're condoning having thugs
in your league. Period. That's what he wanted to say
without getting canceled, so he couldn't say it the way
he wanted to say it. But I'll say here on
two pros and a cup of Joe, that's what he meant.
That's what he wanted to say, and he would not
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have been incorrect and saying so Adam Sous got to
lay the hammer down.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I was going to.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Take a little different approach to this in talking about
it in the sense that of all the commissioners, Adam
Silver tries to be the good guy. He tries to
be friends with everyone, he tries to be likable. Where's
that gotten the NBA? In all seriousness, Like, if I
was an NBA owner, I would be so incredibly hard
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on Adam Silver to be like Roger Goodell. And the
interesting thing about Roger Godell's he's very polarizing. Most people
don't like him, or maybe there's some hatred towards it,
if you.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Want to use that word.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
But the truth of the matter is the NFL is
by far and away the most healthy and best professional
sport in America, maybe even the world, And in large
part you can look at the success and the way
it's pulled away from other professional sports and attributed to
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when Roder Godell took over as commissioner, he's stern with
how he's handled matters like this and a player conduct
policy which was always within the collective bardiing agreement, mind you,
the commissioner's powers to do what he has done, what
Roger Goodell has done to discipline players, it was.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Always in there.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
It was never enforced the way Roger Goodell has, and
maybe even he's led up to some degree over the
years as they've encountered different obstacles. But he has put
the NFL in this position because he's taken on the
villain role where he's okay being booed by the masses
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when he walks out during the draft, or booed when
he walks into a stadium, or where merch is made
about him, you know, with a clown.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Knows, whatever the case, he's okay with that.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
You won't to know why, because he's being paid a
ridiculous amount of money to run the best professional sports
league in America, and he's okay with being the villain.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
He's okay with being the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
He's okay with doing the work that has to be
done in order to make sure every single owner is happy.
If there's any issue with a player in their conduct,
it's gonna be it's gonna be addressed, it's gonna be handled.
It may not always be perfect, because every scenario is
situation is unique, and there's legal matters that play a
role too, as along with the judicial system that plays
(26:20):
a role. But you couldn't find in my opinion two
further commissioners in the manner in which they handle themselves,
where Adam Silver just wants to be liked by everyone,
which just wants to get along, and Roger Goodell could
give two craps.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
He could care less because.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
He knows there's stars coming up every single year in
the league, which you could make the case, yeah, the
NBA stars tend to last a little bit longer and
they've got more sway, but in part because there hasn't
been that line drawn.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
There hasn't and this is.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
An this is a an area specifically that Adam Silver
should put his foot down and be cognizant of everything
else like LaVar is talking about that's going on in
our country, in our society and start trying to become
a bad guy.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
And whether that fits him or not, so be it.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
But if I was, I don't know even who the
strongest owners are in the NBA, but I'd be calling
him right now and being like, you gotta do something
about this, like before a tragedy happens with John Morant
or another athlete, because that's the other thing. What happens
when you allow John Moran to continue this pattern, It
only opens up then the possibility of other players to
(27:37):
follow suit knowing that these are the repercussions they're gonna face.
Adam Silver is gonna potentially set a precedent one way
or another, whether he punishes John Morant and the length
of which he doesn't, or if he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And he lets him off soft.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
You're gonna find other players that eventually find themselves in
this situation and they're gonna say, well, I know I
can get away with it because we've got a soft commissioner.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
He's not going to punish me the way it was
if it was a different professional sport.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I mean, that's That's the other thing that needs to
be factored in here is at some point Adam Silver
has to put his foot down and he can't be
everyone's friend.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's got to be the commissioner of the NBA. What's
your best guess? What do you guys think he gets
popped for? I think no less than fifty games. I
just I just think as serious as this is now,
it was.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Shocking the first time, and you take it for what
it's worth at face valued. The kid made a mistake.
He's still maturing, you know, he might still be entertaining
the whole you know, his crew type of crew love
type deal like he made a mistake, but after knowing
(28:50):
the severity, which that's that is certainly silver and the
NBA's that should have been their main priority is to
make sure that this is seriously handled and they understand
the magnitude of what he did, and others, as Q mentioned,
others in the league should understand the seriousness, seriousness and
(29:13):
nature of what he's done. And you give him, you
give him the suspension that you gave him for him
to come back and do it again and just casually
be on social media and this time, first time you
was holding your strap. You're holding a gun, but you
weren't holding it with your finger on the trigger.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
He had.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
He was holding the gun this time on camera. This time,
if you catch it on the live, this time, he's
holding it this time, he's got it. He's got it.
He's got it handled this time. Yeah, yeah, he holding
it like that. If you don't suspend him for a
year and and and make it an example of saying
(29:54):
this is you should really have zero tolerance for that
type of behavior. You really should. You should have zero tolerance.
So if you don't suspend him for a year for
the season based off of the severity and nature of
what he did for the second time, because now he knows,
then you have failed to let him know or help
(30:17):
him understand the severity and nature of what he did
as an infraction the first time. And that is now
a that is a criticism, That is something that is
going to fall at the feet of the commissioner and
of the league. And if that's what you want, then
you don't suspend him for a year. You want to
(30:39):
if you want to invite that scrutiny and that criticism
and on what is you have going on and how
you run your operation, then you take a light on him.
But to me, it's got to be no less than
a year and understanding that if you ever do something
of this nature again, now moving forward, you out of
the league. You're gone. This is worse. This is way
(31:02):
worse than failing a drug test. Is worse. You're basically
you're condoning violence. You're a star of a league, and
you're condoning death. Like hello, guns equal death.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Death.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The way you're doing it, the way you're glorifying holding
that strap, you're glorifying violence.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Hello, Well, I think Gilbert Areenas got suspended for a
year when he brought guns to the locker room in Washington.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Were you in Washington? I think he got suspended for
a year, So there has been a precedent and go
figure and that was the dude he was beefing with
with them guns careered in Creadan or whatever is that Crittington? Yeah,
what ended up happening with him?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
He went away? Yeah, pay attention. If you're showing that,
that's the type of character you have. If you're showing
that's the type of person you are, look at the correlation.
What about the other one, the dude for that play
for the nets that that had the history of dealing
with guns and messing with guns ended up? Didn't he
shoot his dog and then and then ended up doing
something else and then jacked up as as the car
(32:11):
driver or something like that. Jason Jason William Come on, man.
And then it's always it's always, oh, that's too extreme,
that's too extreme. The critington, look up, criton, tell me
what happened with Crittinton. It had to it was something
for what for what y'all want to talk about? I'm overreacting. Okay,
(32:32):
what did he do? Okay, there we go, There we go.
I happened to study a little sociology and minor then
a little psychology while I was in school, just so
we're clear on the fact that I do break down
psychle analytical and and and mental emotional makeups of how
(32:54):
people handle things and what they do and and if
you're jacking up animals and stuff like that, you could
be a serial killer, and all these different things that
go into the mental makeup of why people do the
things that they do. And the one thing that you
always learn when you're studying things about how people are
emotionally and mentally, how they're wired. You don't think they're
(33:16):
crazy until they show you they're crazy. You don't think
they're a killer until they show you they're a killer.
You don't even know if you're walking around somebody who
does some of the most heinous acts or does some
of the most violent acts, and different things like that,
you don't know until you see it happen. So if
you're sitting there and you're thinking, oh, this is too light,
or you're taking this way too seriously, or you're going
(33:38):
way down a lane that you shouldn't go down. No,
I'm not, because these are the very people. They showed
you who they were. They showed you who they were,
and you didn't pay attention to it. You didn't make
a decision based off of the person that they showed
you who they were. And the saying goes and will
always remain true. If a person shows you who they are,
(33:59):
believe he's showing you who he is. Bottom line.
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Speaker 4 (34:45):
We welcome in the old p on Twitter. He is
Petros Papadeikis. He is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show on the blowtorch Am five seven e
LA Sports. Also a Fox College football analyst as well.
Good Morning Pee. Condolences in advance for what well the
Lakers lost to the Wake Show.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Sorry man, Sorry, sorry, Petros, Sorry man.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
You know, you don't see a lot of headlines when
a team loses a game. That Lakers lose, but they
feel good about the second half. It's like, what would
you write that if Denver lost? Yeah, probably not, you know,
Petros Jodas said that to start the show. He really
was clinging to that narrative.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
And that's where I had to push back it a
little bit because I'm like, you got your ass kick
basically for the first half into the third quarter, and
it was the fourth quarter where you dominated.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
But i mean, what does that mean when you're losing
the adjustments? Brady, You just don't understand. That's right, right,
there's everybody becomes may Smith this time of year. We've
ignored the NBA, and now we're like, well, if they
move Hachima over to Jokich, there you go, they found
(35:56):
something and.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
All that and that could bear very well be true.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
I'm not Hube Brown, but I think it'll be an
exciting series, and who knows. I think the Lakers can
win it or the Nuggets, okay, because one or the
other is going to win. But the reaction to every
moment on social media and then the headlines about these
(36:24):
series is pretty interesting. And I don't remember it being
like this when I was young, and like the Lakers
and Celtics would be going back and forth with Robert
Parrish and Kareem you know what I mean. I don't
know if everybody on social media would have been like
they made a bunch of lucky shots tonight, We're gonna
win tomorrow. You know, It's like, okay, good luck to
(36:46):
everybody involved. But yes, the headlines are interesting because the
Lakers are the Lakers, and they're a brand that helps
the NBA and they're doing great. And Lebron is Lebron
and he's a brand and that helps the NBA at
least he used to be, and the headline surrounding him
get a lot of clicks, just like it used to
(37:08):
with Kobe. So I understand the league's need to gussie
up a loss or to over celebrate a win, and
maybe the Lakers will make it to the NBA Finals
and we'll have another three weeks of inundation and saturation.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I mean, while we're still in NBA. Let me just
get this one out of the way. I'm curious as
to what your take is on John Morant popping up
with a firearm once.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
I understand you know, I have urges too, and one
of them is when I'm on some kind of social
media live or something, I want to wave a gun around.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I understand.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I don't know, it's a desire inside that you just
you gotta wave a gun around if somebody's taking a
live video.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It's just a certain kind of feeling.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Yeah, It's like when you get home from a law
day and you you you itch itch until you have
that drink, you know, or that beer or whatever. You
reach for that gun or that gun. On social media,
it's not enough to have your gun and to wave
it around. People have to see it waved around and
that you know. It is a Jamaican thing. From what
(38:19):
I understand, because I consume so much Jamaican media that
everybody loves waving guns around in videos. In every Jamaican
video I've ever seen. Uh, but uh, and there is
something to it. It must feel great. You know, I'm
not a gun guy. Uh, I'm not against everybody's guns either.
(38:41):
I don't really know. Uh, they've always uh frightened me,
I think. But uh, but waving a gun around on
camera must feel. It must be an irresistible feeling, you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Know, irresistible.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It has to be.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
On times.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
Yeah, I mean, he just it is an amazing thing
that he that he cannot control himself from doing that,
or the thought process that would go through his mind
to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Like I'm going to remove my gun from wherever it
is I have it, and I'm going to show it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, I want everybody to see.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
This very interesting tendris.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
How many Jamaican videos where there flashing hand cannons do
you watch a week?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well, whatever comes out?
Speaker 7 (39:30):
So like He's like, you know, if there's a new
Tommy Lee Sparta song, I'm gonna check it out, you know,
if intensas it. Oh there's a new uh Jamaican artist
called Hype Bastard. Oh wow, and he's got a song
about something very popular in Jamaica which is terrible, which
are lottery schemes where you know, they call old people
(39:53):
in the United States and take advantage of them and
take their mind.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, the emails as well. I feel like there's a
there's all like an email scheme.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, those go through India. The Jamaicans will call you
and be like hello from the bank of the city Bank. Okay,
what happened now, sir, you have lost all your money
and you must go.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
That's Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
No, Jamaican's like Tina.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Things are going out to street at time, nobody's going
to be at there.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
You go like, wow, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know what I mean when I say I'm on FIS.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
School, I have no idea what you're saying either neither today, just.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
Because the language is constantly changing, you know, like the
Jamaican patois I learned in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
From a nanny is different.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
You know, than than it is now, you know, just
like slang term, right, it is.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
But but at the same time it is a language in.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Some words as a language. Yeah, and some words are
broken English really, I mean, yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But some words are are you know, like what do
you call a guy that walks around in Jamaica.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
I mean a walk foot man, A walk foot man,
like like you know, you just put those three things together.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Anyway, Petros, could I ask a request.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I love the language.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Simple request. We're not asking you to do Don Martin
or Mike Bone or any of these other guys. Simple requests.
Can you break down and describe a fullback dive play
in Jamaican?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
M mmm.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah yeah, give him you give him the ball and
did it?
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Goal in.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Into the wall, the good med mead by the.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
By the mandem demand them in in a plastic outfit.
Then I look to the fierce mosque and then my
grandson in a new one. You must protect the bond
with arm full farm yeah, no, no one arm runner
(42:23):
a man.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
That was well done, Pat Gross oh man, I just
like what I just I don't want to hear anything
else from you.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
This is amazing, this is like you look, stop making
me culturally appropriate people now. I love Look, I love
Jamaican culture. I collect the music for years and years
and read the newspaper and all that.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
So how living on the and being like grown up,
being raised in the West Coast, how did you become
so infatuated with with Jamaican culture.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Well, I follow it in a gram feed called white
Rasta Pasta. It's all it's all white guys. So dreadlocks
talking like that, you know, stealing bah bahlah bah bah lah.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
No. Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
We had my parents ran a restaurant at night when
I was you know, around your kid's age, my kid's age.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Uh and uh. And we had a Jamaican Danny for years.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
Uh. And we would listen to you know, not Bob
Marley legend. We listened to real Jamaican music.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
A lot of it.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
I figured out when I got older, was recorded or
done in Britain. But we listened a lot of that.
And she taught us Jamaican culture and so but you know,
when she left, I remained interested in it. And when
we got old enough, an older brother, so we would
go to concerts and uh, you know, we were just
(43:52):
where we were into it.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's a rough place, you know.
Speaker 7 (43:55):
It's if you read books about Jamaica, you understand what
they mean when they talk talk about political violence, like
what that is. You know, it's not a bunch of
people protesting with giant gauges in their ears. It's it's
much different than that. Uh and uh, I don't know,
I've always found the place interesting. I have a giant
(44:16):
Jamaican Island poster.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
In my room.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What's the name of this Instagram account.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
White Rostapasta.
Speaker 7 (44:25):
You've never seen white rosta It's all like white hippie
people with dreadlocks.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Okay, I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
I'm a bald head though, you know, or a or
a yes and a sum comb. You'd also maybe call
me which means sometimes I comb my hair, which means
I'm not a lot of people have misconceptions about Jamaica
that it is like an island of a bunch of
dreadlocked weed smokers around a gigantic bonfire. And the truth
(44:56):
is like maybe five percent of the population is Rastafarian,
which is, you know, like a Hari Krishna sort of
like somebody who is very adherent to the Old Testament
and all kinds of stuff like that and wears certain
clothes and lives in a certain kind of commune or whatever.
(45:17):
And that is a misconception.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It's fantastic that was thought he was still going. I
was I was waiting for more.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
No, I'll tell you about the j LP and the
PNP the Jamaican lately.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Because we'll get into the Nazarites and all, well, the
stuff was going on.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Twelve tribes of Israel.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Come on, I thought it's going.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
To go deep.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
But you know, when Jamaica went to Jamaica, when England
gave them their independence, you had a huge struggle that
remains today between these two political parties, one of which
was controlled by the US or the CIA, the other
with a lot of influence from communist governments, including neighboring Cuba,
(46:00):
especially back in those days. And what they would do
is supply young people like twelve year old boys, yeah,
with m sixteen's and stuff, and just and wear a
certain colored T shirt orange or green, and attack the
the other, the opposition supporting neighborhoods and get after each other.
(46:22):
And when you listen to a lot of the lyrics
of like reggae songs that white people will just be singing,
you know, like, you know, a lot of it is
about that. I couldn't believe the other day I was.
I was at that concert that I I host the
stream for in Redondo Beach called Beach Life, and Sublime
(46:43):
was up there, yea, and they sang you know, be
kisdy week you'd carry us a Week up tvt require
from US a song and it's like, are you guys
really singing about you guys? Five white guys from Long
Beach singing about the slave ship?
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Is that happens patrim who?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Time we sing.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
To do that?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Nothing in today's society. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Listen, saydy week carry.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Carry us away.
Speaker 7 (47:22):
It was like us and it's like all white people
at the show looking like it looked like a Bruce
Springsteen concert. Oh man, how can we sing King Alpha's
song in a Strange Land series?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
That's interesting?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Well, you know it's funny.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
At the end of that show, they had the Whalers play,
which you know, it's not the same band as it was,
you know, in the seventies, but it's a great generational band.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Is Junior still playing? Is he still playing with him? No? No,
well I'm sure he does on still. I mean he's
still with the Whalers that go out now.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
It's the family man, that guy. It's the bass drum combo.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
That is the kind of the But anyway, just everybody's
watching like backstage, like all these bands, all these weird
you know, indie bands and stuff. Came out to watch
the Whalers and they opened the show. So you know,
it's like noon on a Sunday and everybody's like wow,
and I was like, yeah, after you guys watch white
guy reggae bands all weekend. Those are two black guys.
(48:20):
Why on the drum and the bass, that's what it's
supposed to sound like. Those are Jamaican dudes, and it
shook the sand and Medondo Beach. Hopefully we get some
more real reggae acts from Jamaica next year.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Well, you can get him on Twitter at the old
pell if you have any play requests for him to
do in Jamaican.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Maybe he'll provide those with me.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's a one time thing, all right.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
That was well done.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Well done on the spot.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
And then Petros is the co host of the Petros
and Money Show, which we'll have a special co host
this Friday. I'm hearing rumblings of yeah, the old p
and I aregu.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
You've graduated from the good whole college.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah talk about So you can listen to the Petrous
Money Show on AM five seventy l a Sports Fox
college football analyst Pee.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
We appreciate it always fine, Let's do it again. Next week?
Speaker 7 (49:09):
Am I graduate from the good old college sports knowledge?
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Eh?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
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Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
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Pros and a Cup of jo on Fox Sports Radio.
That is that what he said. That's exactly what he says.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, I done, Two Pros and a Cup of jaw.
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