May 23, 2023 • 44 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Nuggets sweep the Lakers and if the Heat does the same to the Celtics, fans have a long break ahead of the Finals. The NFL agrees to allow TNF flexing this season so the guys give their way too early predictions. And LeBron is cryptic about whether or not he’ll play next season but he can’t do anything to change fans opinions about him.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox
on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning. Is everybody feeling here?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How y'all feeling sweep?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You feel sweep? That good one?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How could you do that? Came out the gate with that?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Huh? It was a slip messed up.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Feeling real sweep? I mean sweet today, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Listen that.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Thank God it's over, because that's the way that it
was going to go. And you knew that sort of
after Game three? All right, are we really going to
drag this on?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
To? The Lakers win Game four?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And then we got to wait another couple of nights
to try and find out what the final score is
going to be. When everybody knows it's going to be
Denver advancing. The Lakers played valiantly, but the bottom line
is Denver's the best team in the NBA. Yeah, okay,
Bram was out there. You know some of the other
guys might have if they could help them out a
little bit, Yeah, a little bit. But man, Denver's fun
(01:08):
to watch, man. They are fantastic and Nikola Jokic absolutely
phenomenal the entire series, your Western Conference Finals, MVP, and
the more I watch them, the more I'm looking forward
whoever comes out of the nbaver comes out of the
Eastern Conference, and a news flash, it's not going to
be Boston. Whoever that is that comes out, They're gonna
(01:29):
have their hands fill having a deal with Jokic and
Mike Malone and that bench and Jamal Murray and everything
that comes along with the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's fine, man, But Miami looks like, I mean, bam
is establishing himself. I mean, he's not clearly on on
the elite level and status of the Joker, but I
mean bam Is is really really emerged.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
As as a real go.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
To guy that that is almost like becoming a household
name based off of the way that he's playing. So
you know, obviously with what you get with with Jimmy Butler,
but I mean the way Miami has been playing, I
think Miami's gonna end up. They might do the same
exact thing that Denver.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Did.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You really get this thing going pretty pretty quickly. I mean,
I want to say, because I was like, I've watched
the heat play this year and I just don't recall
in my mind, like man like he can do it,
Like they can, they can make it to the final round. Cincinnati, Cincinnati,
(02:37):
like all right, you know the heat, it's like the
heat out of the East. Hum like all right, you know,
And they are clearly playing the best basketball in the
East out of the final two teams. They I mean,
they basically in essence have made the Celtics quit.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They quit.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
But it's looking like it's gonna be Miami and in
Denver that that plays in the finals. It's not it's
not the ideal final in terms of markets and what
people want from it. But what what what I appreciate
about this, what's what's taking place right now is Jimmy
(03:19):
Butler's getting his flowers for how he's playing. Uh, you
have an emerging star and and and bam out of
Bun Bayou by you you you got emerging star in that.
And the world is getting to see why there's such
a fuss about jokes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know that's ay right, yeah, ye yeah, joke. All right.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I think now everybody's jointed into the conversation comfortably, Like
dude should have got m v P four a third time,
Like he's the best player in the NBA, and be.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Careful, you'll start up some controversy.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Go well, LeVar, I'm not sure if you know this,
but yeah, a lot of people they're not a fan
of him winning it a third.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Time in a row.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Some people think it's because he's white. I'm just saying,
I get.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It, And never mind the fact that he's European. Yeah,
that doesn't count, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
It's oh the way I love how like everyone brings
up that point, but no one has an issue with
the fact that, what is it, three of our last
the last five MVPs, we've all gone to European players.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, Como, yes, Nicole, Joic and Joe Embii. Now like
none of them from the US, But like, no one
cares about that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But it's all the last five.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It's the color. It's not about where the color comes from.
It's just the color. Everybody focus on that, Like, let's.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Not talk about the fact that, like maybe maybe there's
young men being developed better overseas right now in professional
basketball than they are.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
In the United States. Oh, should that be something we
talked about?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
No, no, no, no, no, let's not talk about that,
talk about something.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Else on it.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
It's just so manufactured, man Like, it's just so like
you can't find anything better.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So that's the angle we go with.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Can I Yeah, that's true? Can I be real? Though?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
When I was watching the first half, I felt like
the Lakers are getting a bunch of calls, and I'm going,
all right, this is this is like typical NBA. That's
when my conspiracy theory mind started to go. I'm like,
it's just it feels like it's gonna be one of
those lopsided like Lakers get one so they don't get swept,
because we all know what the narrative is right now,
(05:37):
Like we're right now talking about you know, Denver and
all that. But the narrative is not Denver. The narratives
the Lakers. It's Lebron. It's how much more is he
gonna play? He hit it out retirement, he gets swept?
What does that mean for his legacy? Like all these
things that are gonna be talked about. I personally feel
like it's really it's really dumb to focus on that
(06:01):
or like when that argument, you know, happens, because he
was phenomenal last night at his age. What he did,
he carried the team basically wired to wire and even
gave the Lakers a shot. Now, I know that wasn't
how he performed the entire series, but when they needed
him to do the most in that game, he was everything.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He needed to be played every minute.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
But he just, you know, in the end, like they
needed more like that that the Nuggets teams could man
like they are a good team as much it's about Jokic,
it's all the pieces involved too, And that's that's why
I'm actually excited to see Denver take on Miami, because
I think Miami's very similar to in that respect.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, Levard just touched on it.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
You got Jimmy Butler, that's great, you got NICOLEA Jokic,
that's great. And you've got these really good complimentary pieces
where other guys step up and can have some performances,
whether it's at at a bio.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Or you know, you go and look at Michael Michael Porter.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Jaal Murray is probably the next guy that comes to mind, though,
Berto not sure if you watch them this series, but
I mean there's just there's so there's so many complementary
pieces on each I mean, who saw Gabe Vincent shooting.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The way he did. You're right in the last game,
like there were lights out.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah. I also like the fact that do you hear
what Burdos? Did you hear him in your air cute? Definitely?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's all I heard was Michael Porters.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know, all right, tell you what you just said? Murray.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Fun content behind the scenes here Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's a can you hit the button? You don't? Please?
Please please? That's no, you don't want to hit it.
No you don't, that's.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Beyond the button.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Where the white women at.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
No, you need to take a time out. You can't,
you can't, don't, don't bring it. Think up for like
ten seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
It was funny, though. I liked how Denver's approached last night.
All Right, so we've got we've got them down three nothing.
We could easily sort of cruise get this back to
Denver and try and close the mountain five And they said, no,
we're gonna play seven guys and we're going for it.
And you know, lebron Wo mentioned played every single minute
of that game. Jokic only missed three minutes of that game.
(08:17):
They clearly identified let's wrap this up, let's get this
over with. And Brady and I were talking yesterday LeVar
about the fact that the NBA has already said, no
matter what, the.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Finals are starting on June first. Sweet cool.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
So Miami, you know, closes the coffin on the Boston
Celtics tonight, then we got to wait around eight days
for the NBA Finals to get here. Come on, it's
a bit much. Speed this thing up and let's get
it over with. That's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Then you would like for them to keep I would
like for them to keep the rhythm and the momentum
of the schedule. I mean right now, I like how
it's it's been flowing right like every day there's another.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Game sports, right, I just sports. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you know, I know your your kiets are are
doing their things. Yeah, they're doing their things. So you know,
I like the flow of it. I think when you
get that break in time, it kind of lets the
momentum die down.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's like that second week between Super Bowl. Yeah, we
were there.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
We were hoping somebody got busted for like anything, and
then and then it turned out that it was Michael
Irvin and we still don't have any clarity on want
Yeah about to say what happened with Michael erv No idea, huh,
no idea, what happened Hey?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
By the way, I was with Don Martin yesterday, shouts
out to our guy Don Martin, and I just got
to make sure I put this out there before we
go any further in the show, while it's on top
of my mind. Thank you guys out there who listened
to us and support our show. We were talking yesterday
and the success of our show, the growth of our
(09:49):
show has been phenomenal and tremendous. And I know I'm
probably speaking for both of us and all three of
us when when I say this, but I mean it's
it is so cool to have a visual measurement of
how how how much work you put in and what
(10:09):
you want to put out there as a product to
the people that are listening to us. So before I
go any further, I just wanted to make sure I
let you guys know why. It's like top of mind,
Like it's super cool that you guys support our show,
support us the way that you do. Pretty cool, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
While we're sitting here talking about you know, speeches and stuff,
you know, in terms of winning and you know, being
in sports and all that stuff, Like I think that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Like where we're at as people don't know Var is
a cuddler.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He really know. I'm a spooner like you're.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
But I bet you're a big spool and you could
be a little spoon you know, I can. The big
guy needs to be spooned too.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's very true. No, that's very true. I have been spelled.
In fact, you guys should have saw the way I
slept last night. It's one of the coolest ways of
going to sleep ever. Yeah yeah, And didn't even know
that I fell as that way, but I woke up.
And the cool thing about waking up so early for
your show is that when you wake up and your
arm is dead like for about five six, seven minutes,
(11:11):
you know, then it's like you know, but you wake
up and it was like, wow, what an amazing position
to fall asleep in, and you know what, like my
arm is dead forever, but it'll come back hopefully one day,
and it was worth it. What was the position? Like
it's kind of it's like almost like I can't say
(11:32):
it on air, but okay, all right, yeah, okay, I
mean because it could go wrong the way if I
try to explain it, it could go wrong. Yeah, yeah, welcome
to the show. Yeah, because I would have to give
details for it to make sense. And then if I
gave the details, then.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Let's start this way.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Were you on your stomach, your back, or your side?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I was kind of I was on my right arm.
So it's kind of put it to you like this,
I like I I cuddled her leg. I cuddled her
leg like I went to sleep, like literally, like you
know how you have like the body pillows. Yeah, well
(12:13):
that was her leg, And so it's was she on
your arm or were you on your arm? She was
on my arm because I was holding her leg like
a pillow. You're gonna lose an arm. That's a hell
of a way to go. It was out of there's
it's coming back now. The feeling is coming back. But
it was short enough. It was definitely worth it. I
enjoyed it. You can only imagine where I was laying,
(12:39):
where my head was. Okay, that's and that's where the
story could have got bad going with the details of it.
I mean, what, No, are not too tall for that?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No, I was just she's long, my guy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, I was thinking abou any repercussions, like.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, yeah, yeah, but you know what I you know,
if it happened, I was so dead to the world
in sleep, I didn't even realize I fell asleep and
like in that space like we were watching Forensic Fouls.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I mean, you do do a show from six to
nine Eastern.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Times, yeah, and I well, I had just traveled back
to you know, you're so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You're so funny what you made. It's three am here though, I.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Know, yeah, but it's six to nine East Coast. Yeah, yeah,
Monday through Friday. You do that show.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, that is true anyway. Yeah, I enjoyed that. That's
spooning yeas five days.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's right, y'all are funny as f man.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know what I mean. I always knew you were
never afraid to get down and dirty.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I'm just I'm just letting you know. Yeah, that's that's that.
That was my spoon position last night of it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, I was spoon City is a place.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Spoon City a place you know, check the oil. Oh no, oh,
I know, yeah, okay, all right, well, time break.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
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and that'll wrap up it up. But to Lamar's point,
for making us a part of your morning, whenever you
do as often as you do on the podcast, whatever
we do, appreciate it absolutely. Yeah, that means a lot
to us. And uh, there's a lot of options out there,
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Good as ours. So there's that. There's that fun stuff.
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Speaker 2 (14:47):
So the NFL did it.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
They did it, Uh, the Thursday night football flexing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, that's happening.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
There's been some revisions to it to what the original
plan was for the in that football flexing, but this
is how goes. It passed with a twenty four to
eight vote. Now they needed twenty four votes to get
it done, and they got it done. There was two
that werewithstanding the last time this was discussed back in March,
but Amazon Prime is going to get two flexes this
(15:16):
upcoming season between weeks thirteen and seventeen, there must be
twenty eight days notice, and no team can play two
Thursday night football road games in a season. And it
was voted in as kind of a trial run. They're
calling it quote unquote, So if it's not utilized this
upcoming season, it would remain in effect for the twenty
(15:37):
twenty four season. And so of course, you know, some
people aren't all that thrilled about it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I say that again, if it's not utilized, it will
remain an effect.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, it'll remain in effect.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So if they don't use their their ability to use
it this upcoming year, they can just roll it over
to next year.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
So if they don't use it, they don't lose it. No, oh,
because usually that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Really, NFL they sort of rules, well.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's usually the case and everything. Yeah, right, if you don't, NFL,
you aren't getting it back.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
The quote of all quotes, you know, the the Giants
owner John Mara, There you go, Yeah, good man, you
crushed it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How about that home so good? I did it?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
There you go, he said, definitely not surprised, disappointed, but
not surprised. But the money quote goes to Mark Davis,
who spoke with the USA today, and the Raiders owner said, quote,
if you have a Raiders Charger game in Las Vegas,
schedule for a Thursday, and all the fans driving from
Los Angeles, the Raider fans and all three Chargers fans
(16:44):
buy their tickets and book their hotels. How in the
hell do you schedule it now? Say sorry, it's now
on Sunday. How the hell do you do that? End quote?
Fair point all the way around from Yeah, especially on
the three Chargers fans. I thought he brought that up,
So it's.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Out the Bucky Bucky Davis. Isn't this just a day?
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Is this just a clear indication that the NFL cares
about the TV, They don't really care about the in
house product. As far as going to games, they don't care.
They don't really worry about the fans. They worry about
the fans at home because those are the ones that
are bringing in all the money. Hey, that's what it
feels like. Otherwise, how does this make sense for anybody
involved that you're just gonna go ahead in the middle
(17:27):
of a week just decide, well, this is going.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To change really should be taken into consideration.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
What Mark Davis said, I mean, I don't know how
you could do that to the fans, like, because for
what it's worth, that's a more loyal situation than the
TV person, you know, like the people who are willing
to get up and go through the whole process of
following their team and attending the games in the stadiums
(17:54):
like they I mean, they're the ones that should be rewarded,
you know. If anything, they should be the ones that
are taken under you know, consideration, because they're the they're
the active participants. So for them to be put in
a situation like that, it's not very many times. I mean,
it could happen what like to one fan base, what
(18:15):
one or two times maybe, I mean, which is still
a lot. But you know, I wouldn't get too carried
away on that point, but it is certainly a relevant
point to be made there.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I mean, the NFL saying, well, we're just doing it
for a couple of games in between this window.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But isn't that the start.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Isn't this sort of the the bridge to get to
them wanting the ability to do this?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
You want to say, if it works, I think that
that's why it's a start. Like for the very conversation
that we're having right now. How will the fans react
to it? Will there be enough backlash or enough you
know of a response that that is negative towards doing
it where you're not able to just make that the norm.
(19:00):
I would assume you don't want to disrupt what you
already have going on. I'm sure that's going to make
a lot of people upset or or you're going to
see you're going to see a lack of commitment to
ticket sales and different things. You might see a drop
off on that participation on that day just based off
(19:21):
of not knowing.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, well, it's possible.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
What don't we do Why don't we do this? Why
don't we have I said it's for what weeks thirteen
through seventeen? Yeah, right, why don't we look up what
games those are and the likelihood that they can be blessed?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
They started? Who's playing there? Because that's what this is.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
This is really all about al Michaels wanting to eat
his steak at halftime. I feel satisfied with where the
second half.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Of the game's going. It's gonna be captive.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
So Lee, if you would please let us know what
the weeks thirteen through seventeen games are of Thursday Night football,
and we can go around the horn and we can say, hey,
we think this game was gonna get flexed or it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But what do they need to have twenty eight days notice?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Okay, so it's take into account the fact that those games.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
All right, so really you got to make a decision
by you.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Know, week nine, okay, that you're gonna be flexing that game.
So we're gonna look at those teams week thirteen through seventeen,
and we basically have to pick which teams season is
almost gonna be over between weeks nine, ten, eleven, and
twelve that are scheduled to play on thirst at Football.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Does that make sense? That's too complicated.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
No, that makes sense. I've already identified one game that
for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Will be flexed. All right, cool music to it? Go ahead? Yet,
do we have any game music? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Yeah, although it's it's on Amazon that do they have music?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Kawhi Leonard?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It was like, sinister.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
A Philip, I don't even know where you are, by
the way, upon hearing that laugh, the Clippers should have
released him immediately.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He got you.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Lee get a started week he got Lee. Week thirteen,
what do we got? Week thirteen started with Seahawks at Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes, go on, that's not good. That you solid? Week
fourteen Patriots at Steelers, that's solid. That's not getting flexed. Yeah,
that's solid, Brady. You think any of those get flexed?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
No, because I think both Pittsburgh and New England will
be right there in the mix. The first one Seattle
Dallas just because it's Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't think they're going to flex them out of
that window. But too big of a brand.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Even if Seattle can't replicate what they did last year,
which they should be good.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So yeah, I think we're good so far. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Week fifteen, Chargers at Raiders, get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's that's what we started the segment with.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I don't know, don't bucket divisional match up. I don't know,
don't Chargers could be in the mix, Ertos Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Chargers definitely should be in the mix. They should, They
better be in the mix.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I mean, now, how do they determine which games get
Can any game be flexed from that week into that spot?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Because if that's the case, and now we need to
know who else is matched up.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
During the Cowboys at Bills, we got jets of Dolphins.
Yeah yeah, but that's that's gonna be the Black Friday game.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Whoa, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I can't imagine they would run the run that down?
Why was the ever Friday?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Okay, what's wrong with the Black Friday?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Friday? Black Friday? Oh jesus wow. Unbelievable races. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yes, it is problem, Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I do believe that that's one that I wouldn't have
tremendous confidence in purchasing a ticket, of a plane ticket,
a hotel room, and the game ticket.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just would not be confident in that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I mean, Vegas at nighttime, the way it's presented is
pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I just don't think that they're gonna want to flex
out of that one. That doesn't feel like one that
would happen.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't know what I'm as well. We should do
an over under on this one. We really should, because
you want all over under, not an over under. But
like if you went all the time again, what's it?
What's it called like either or or something like that.
But anyways, because I would love for a would you. Yeah,
not a boy anyway, Go ahead, Goo.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Ahead, guys. Week sixteen is Saints at Rams. Yeah, I
don't get flexed. I don't do it out there, out
of there.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Do not get a plane ticket, not get a game
Ticket'll get a hotel.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Nobody's interested in Derek Carr and John Wofford for Week
sixteen or whatever this is on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'll they just.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Flex it now, like right, yeah, well we've scheduled the
game for the new two teams.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
We're going to flex out of it today. Now that
is the holiday week. So do you think that we
get less likely they don't want to flex out of it? Say, like, man,
people are making Christmas travel plans, but again you're gonna
have twenty eight days notice. So yeah, what would be
a prime game to be moved into that spot? I
mean Detroit, Minnesota could be good. New England Denver is
(24:33):
supposed to be the night game on Christmas Eve. Yeah,
that's gonna get flexed. That's not that game is not
gonna stay there long.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
All right? What's Week seventeen? Le the final one, last one?
Jets at Browns.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
We get no chance that gets flexed, right, No, that
gets flexed do you think so really Aaron Rodgers possible?
Aaron Rodgers, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
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Speaker 4 (24:58):
Come on, that's wow, that's the shirt. Will we get
in trouble if we made a Massage Watson shirt.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, you don't think that already exists. It's gonna be
one out there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
There's gotta be I don't know. I s of course, I've.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Ever heard that there's at least a towel line that
is fricking phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There will be a towel line.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
There's a bowl that uh the moonlight is a surfboard.
You guys have to see them out on the period.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Oh wow, that people just absolutely shredding his surfboard.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Towels.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I heard they use them as jet skis too, a
pizza peel.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Uh So, So basically, what we're saying is that they're
probably gonna have to move the flexing for Thursday Night
into next year.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So they're gonna keep this around the term flexing for
it to shahn Watson.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Maybe they can't flex it because they can't use the word.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
We can't have flex Cleveland out of the Gamecassage.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You what there's no way we just thought of that
that have been around, that is not around.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I've never heard it, no way.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It totally caught me. It was phenomenal. That was the
best pool of the show. That might be the best
pool of the week. There's literally ever there's a pool,
no way, Lee. Can you just Google search that and
see what comes.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I've been looking.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
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exclusive here Massage Watson. That is phenomenal. That is that's
what he's a T shirt. Well, I'm not going to
touch that, all right. I'm just saying I will wear
that shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh man. So there it is. That is your.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Of a potential flex situation in the NFL this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Watson, on the advice of my lawyer, I assert my
rights under the fifth amenute.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
All Right, it is uh a whole lot of things now,
like surfboards, is Brady pointed out?
Speaker 7 (27:12):
So good, pizza, peel bunga.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Hang ten, Hang ten, dude, Gnarley, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Shredding bro oh Man, by the wipeout?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Wat did I tell you?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I tell you about that guy that called in UH
to a show that I was working on one time.
This is probably like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, this guy
called into a show and totally got me on the air,
and I didn't realize what he said until after he'd
hung up, But he said, uh, yeah, I heard you
guys are based out of California.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
I was like, yeah, he goes, yeah, heard you guys.
Hang ten, I'm from the Midwest. We hang eleven, I said,
And I didn't get it until hung up the phone.
And so when you bring up Cole Bond guy, just
think about how they feel about us out here on
the West coast in the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean, what does that mean? Yeah, I don't know.
Think about it, you know, yeah, eleven, it's probably a
fair point. Though it is two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 5 (28:58):
So we started off the show talking about the first
ever appearance in the NBA Finals for the Denver Nuggets.
They're on their way to the finals after a sweep
of the Los Angeles Lakers. Nikola Jokicic the talk of
the town. He won Western Conference Finals, MVP was fantastic,
another triple double, all of that fun stuff, And as
(29:19):
Brady Quinn alluded to earlier in the show, you know,
part of the conversation, if not majority, of the conversation,
is going to be about the Los Angeles Lakers, right
or wrong. And the person leading the charge in the
conversation about the Lakers is one Lebron James, because afterwards
he spoke with the media just about his immediate future
(29:40):
when it comes to LA.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Take a listen.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
We's see what happens going forward. But I don't know
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I had a lot to think about, to be honest,
I had a lot to think about, to be honest,
and this.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Will be personally going and going forward with the game
of basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Got a lot to think about now.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Afterwards, he was approached by ESPN and who walked up
to him and said, when you say you've got to
think about stuff, what thread should we be pulling on that?
And he said, quote, if I want to continue to play,
They said, as in next year? He said yeah, And
when asked would you walk away, lebron James again said quote,
I got a lot to.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Think about, so.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Mainly of sudden yeah, and how much longer can he
hold on for that? Because I really think he wants
to do that?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yes? Can Can I throw out a theory to you?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
What would stop him from retiring, taking a year off
and then getting himself ran back up for when Bronny
comes back. And this accomplishes two things, the first being
that you know, he gives his body some well needed rest, right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, he's he's played for a long time.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I don't know that we've seen someone play as often
in the postseason as we've seen Lebron James at this point.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
In time in his career, and so it gives him
the needed rest where maybe you know, a year older.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
He's a year older, but you know he's going to
keep himself in impeccable shape. He is one of the
most rare athletes are you know, humans I've ever seen,
so it could do him well maybe at this point.
And then the other thing is that obviously times up
well with Braun a little Bronnie, But it also gives
him the flexibility where, even though I believe he's still
(31:28):
under contract with the Lakers at that point, a year removed,
maybe the Lakers got a sense that he wants to
move on anyway, they can look at trying to replace
and rebuild in that void. And then you know, he
can go to a team where Broun is at, so
they can play on the same team and he doesn't
have to try to facilitate necessarily a trader if he
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does it. It's a little easier to do that if
he's been out of sight, out of mind for a year.
So I'm not saying this is by any means what
he's going to do, but it's a path that he
could take if indeed that is his goal of playing
with Browny.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I mean that's a new layer to load management. That
is a different layer. You know, take a whole season off.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Do you think because it does make some sense from
a timeline standpoint, but do you think that Lebron would
ultimately not want to take that approach just because that
would be one of the clear differences between him and Jordan.
Jordan took time off and came back. If Lebron could say, well,
I never walked away, I played consistently at a high
level for X amount of years. Like I wonder if
(32:32):
I wonder if part of his thinking is.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
What does that matter now? Though?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
But Jordan took time off like that eight years ago
into his career, where Lebron would have been.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I just think Lebron's looking for a way to differentiate
himself from Jordan. He can't catch him on titles, and
this is a way that he can differentiate himself from him.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I mean, I think his scoring title, scoring scoring record
is what and there's other stat lines that could be
used to make make an argument for Lebron James. I
think at this point now he's definitely if you were
to ask him what he's playing for, it's definitely to
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try to outdo Michael Jordan's titles. It's got to be right,
It's gotta be I think.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We talked about this yesterday. He let that go when
he left Miami.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, there's no chance.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, he left Miami. He let that goal go.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You're saying he consciously knew once he left Miami he
was not going to get I mean he did get
another title.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
No, he got two more if you count the Bubble one.
But you have to understand the point. Miami as an
organization has continually been.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Successful since he left. They never stepped off the gas.
The East has been an easier path than the West.
And when he decided to leave Miami and what he
had where he went to what four straight NBA Finals,
winning two of those four, he left the opportunity to
have them be able to continue to build out around him,
much like Rob Polenka did this year with the Lakers.
(34:00):
But he left that opportunity to allow Pat rather to
do it because he wanted to have control.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He wanted to do what he wanted to do in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
And then LA and they really take a different approach.
I just think the priority had changed as soon as
they weren't able to just win a bunch right in
a row, but he was able to win a couple.
He then saw the path, he saw how things worked.
He took it back to Cleveland was able to win one.
There goes to La which I think that had, you know,
family implications, post career implications, a lot more to it
(34:30):
than just playing for the Lakers. And now it's about
his son. And so if that's the case, you know,
I don't. I don't think it's ring chasing at this point,
you know. I think he just wants to be where
his sons out and help his son segue into being
a professional basketball player.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And he can do that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean, and you guys don't think he can do
that from being retired.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He could, But I think he wants to play with them.
I mean that was what you just said.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's what everybody has said, that
he wants to play with his kid. I mean, so
I don't I just for me, if I'm not playing
to try to win it, I don't know why I'm
doing it. Like even if it's my kid, like he's
he's in the pipeline for me to be able to
play with him. I still it's like if I'm not,
if my mind isn't geared towards trying to win a championship,
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I just don't know what's my motivation to work out
and keep myself healthy.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Can I tell you what motivation is to play next year?
He's getting forty seven million to play next year?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Lebron is, yes, dropping the bucket.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean at this point, at this point, I mean,
you can never forty seven million, forty seven talking about here?
Forty seven is forty seven? You ain't lying, you ain't.
I mean, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take that Deon
Sanders foot out there for forty seven forty seven million?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Could google forty What do you mean by that? Dion Sanders?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But I'm gonna take that out there and go ahead
and ball. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I've already seven million.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Have talking about low have mercy.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
That much for you?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
So Lebron did say this during the Warriors series. Early
on in the Warriors Series, he was asked about because
this coincided with Bronnie James announcing his decision to go
to USC and Lebron said, you know, I've done what
I've done, and I had to do in this league,
and my son is going to take his journey, whatever
his journey, however his journey lays out, He's going to
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do what's best for him and as his dad and
his mom Savannah, and his brother and sister were going
to support him whatever he decides to do. So just
because that's my aspiration or goal to want to play
with him, doesn't mean it's his. And I'm absolutely okay
with that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I was going to say, too, isn't there a thought?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
And you know, LeVar, your kids are older, so this
is you know, probably more in your mind.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But don't you kind of.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Want your kids to create their own path too? I mean,
as much as it would be cool to see them
live in your shadow, your legacy, there's also an element
of like, I want them to build.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Their own absolutely, yeah, not even close.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Maybe that's what he's weighing.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
You know that there's there's part of that too, where
you know, I mean, look, it makes a lot easier
on family travel if you're playing the same team. I mean,
I mean Lebron is frugal like that. At times you
will see him talking about being cheap about things. Maybe
he's like, what's to play just so he gets on
the team charter with Bronni doesn't have to worry about,
you know, charting his own flights.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
And I don't know, Hum, I'll just say this, whatever
is reason for coming back, I'm sure it's it's legit.
I will say that. No, you know, no hate from
me on on Lebron. I think he has clearly established
what he represents to the game and and to sports
(37:44):
in general. If it's if it's for Bronny, you know, great.
I don't you know, Can I ask you guys this sure?
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Like at this point, is there anything he can do
to change the perception of how people view him versus
Michael Like, like I grew up in an era where
I've been able to see both, right, I mean, Lebron
and I are are high school classmates, same year, and
I look at them both one they're different players. I
personally hate the conversation about, hey, let's compare this guy
(38:17):
from twenty years ago versus this guy and their prime.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's like the league's.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Different, the games different, all that, and then they're just
they're very different players. I think the one thing that
like I would hold against Lebron because I do think
he is the best ever next to Michael. The only
difference is the manner in which you know Michael would
go about those end of game scenarios. It didn't matter
if it was the best basketball IQ play, he was
(38:43):
shooting the shot, he won the ball. Kobe had that
two in them and I love. But I think the
point is, like, the people who think Michael Jordan's the
greatest ever are probably the same people who are always
gonna think Michael Jordan's do anything to convince them. The
people who think Lebron is the best ever, they're probably
(39:04):
in the same boat. Like you're not going to show
them some old footage and highlights and clips and games
with Michael and convince them otherwise, Like, I don't know
that there's anything he can prove at this point that
he hasn't already proven.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, unless he's won in championships.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
But even then, like, okay, let's say he gets past six,
people are gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Say, well, Jordan went six. Now Jordan never lost in
the finals. Yeah, Like there's always gonna be like those arguments.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, you're right, people already have held on to their opinions,
and because there's been such a divide that it just
made people dig in even more and whatever their opinion
is so and their justification for it. And they'll do
the math and say, well, Jordan, to Brady's point, was
undefeated in the finals. And people will say, yeah, but
it's more impressive that Lebron took multiple teams to the
(39:51):
finals and won multiple championships. And then they'll discredit the
bubble and they'll say, yeah, but it's you know, a
Lebron did it when everybody else is trying to do
it in the bubble difficult circumstances. It just I think
everybody's dead set on whatever their opinion is on who
the greatest of all time is Lebron. And look, also,
this is the first time and he's talked about potentially
(40:12):
needing surgery in the offseason. You're starting to see his
body break down. Like that's the other part of this.
And that's the one thing that is unarguable amongst everything
between Jordan and Lebron, Like don't nobody even try and say, well,
Michael Jordan's durability and compared to Lebron James, the number
of years. I mean, Jordan missed almost all of a
(40:32):
season early in his career, and you can say, well,
load management, this man load management all you want. Lebron
James has played for however long he has at a
high level and his body has not really broken down
until recently. And maybe that's part of him just sort
of understanding I can't do it like I used to, right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Even if I want to.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
The other thing that like, in regards to an argument
for Lebron, you know, the was a nine straight right
finals whatever it was, and I look like I look
at the Buffalo Bills that run they had for what
was in ninety one to like ninety four when at
the four.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Straight Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
That's one of the greatest teams ever in NFL history.
But they they'll never receive the credit because they didn't
win it. Yet when you think about into into if
that happened today with social media and everything else, like
we tend to anoint teams that going back to back years.
Or we look at the Kansas City Chiefs and go, well,
look at them, they've won two and they're in the
(41:32):
AFC Championship Game every year. Right, we've kind of anointed
them as the next dynasty. Like the Bills were in
Super Bowls for four. You could go to college. And
all you knew during that period of time in college
unless you did a victory lap was the Buffalo Bills
going to a super Bowl. It was it was absurd.
I mean, it's kind of more ridiculous that they weren't
(41:52):
able to win one. Like you've got four shots, that's like, hey,
let's flip a coin. Okay, I'm gonna go go four
straight times? You not getting heads right, you call? I mean,
it's it's hard to think that at some point you're
not going to get a win out of that. And
I think you can kind of look at that for
Lebron and just go there is sheer just incredible ability
(42:13):
to play at that high of a level for that
long and help will your team to go to that
many straight finals.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Two hundred and eighty one career playoff games. That's almost
three and a half seasons just to playoff basketball. And
in those games, he averaged over forty one minutes a game.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
And this is like the Tom Brady Joe Montana argument, right,
because when Tom Brady surpassed Joe Montana, you know, oh,
Joe Montana was undefeated, you know when he played in
Super Bowls? Right, Yeah, Tom Brady wasn't. Yeah, but look
how many he went to.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yeah, he can't even compare to too noo many, just
too many super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And that's how I'm sure some people know the team
in one one.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
That's I'm sure some people feel about Lebron when you
play in that, like anyone who's who's played. And I
feelk this more comes from perspective of of you know,
most people who've been in the competition, but it's like
just getting there is hard enough, and so they understand
like how hard it is just to even have a shot,
have an opportunity. And that's and that's why I think,
(43:12):
you know, most players probably yeah, dude, like for as
long as he's played the way he's played, like, I mean,
he he next to Shack to me are the two
physical biggest physical.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Phenoms the NBA has ever seen.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Like you just don't see people who are built like that,
that can last like that, that are have the combination
athleticism and everything else to dominate the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Game and plus mission accomplished. For a lot of people
that have a vested interest in all this because they've
got rights deals with the NBA, Lebron retirement speculation is
going to carry a lot of shows at certain places
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Now, right, what place would that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Be, well, you know yeah, places like ESPN.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
That would be where they want to go. So they're
gonna they're gonna hold onto this one and milk this
ers for as long as they can until Lebron decides. Yeah,
I'd like to come back. I feel better now. I've
had a couple of weeks off and I drank.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Some wine and I don't know.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning. Is everybody feeling here?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How y'all feeling sweep?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
You feel sweep? That good one?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How could you do that? Came out the gate with that?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Huh? It was a slip messed up.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Feeling real sweep? I mean sweet today, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Listen that.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Thank God it's over, because that's the way that it
was going to go. And you knew that sort of
after Game three? All right, are we really going to
drag this on?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
To? The Lakers win Game four?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
And then we got to wait another couple of nights
to try and find out what the final score is
going to be. When everybody knows it's going to be
Denver advancing. The Lakers played valiantly, but the bottom line
is Denver's the best team in the NBA. Yeah, okay,
Bram was out there. You know some of the other
guys might have if they could help them out a
little bit, Yeah, a little bit. But man, Denver's fun
(01:08):
to watch, man. They are fantastic and Nikola Jokic absolutely
phenomenal the entire series, your Western Conference Finals, MVP, and
the more I watch them, the more I'm looking forward
whoever comes out of the nbaver comes out of the
Eastern Conference, and a news flash, it's not going to
be Boston. Whoever that is that comes out, They're gonna
(01:29):
have their hands fill having a deal with Jokic and
Mike Malone and that bench and Jamal Murray and everything
that comes along with the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's fine, man, But Miami looks like, I mean, bam
is establishing himself. I mean, he's not clearly on on
the elite level and status of the Joker, but I
mean bam Is is really really emerged.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
As as a real go.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
To guy that that is almost like becoming a household
name based off of the way that he's playing. So
you know, obviously with what you get with with Jimmy Butler,
but I mean the way Miami has been playing, I
think Miami's gonna end up. They might do the same
exact thing that Denver.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Did.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
You really get this thing going pretty pretty quickly. I mean,
I want to say, because I was like, I've watched
the heat play this year and I just don't recall
in my mind, like man like he can do it,
Like they can, they can make it to the final round. Cincinnati, Cincinnati,
(02:37):
like all right, you know the heat, it's like the
heat out of the East. Hum like all right, you know,
And they are clearly playing the best basketball in the
East out of the final two teams. They I mean,
they basically in essence have made the Celtics quit.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
They quit.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
But it's looking like it's gonna be Miami and in
Denver that that plays in the finals. It's not it's
not the ideal final in terms of markets and what
people want from it. But what what what I appreciate
about this, what's what's taking place right now is Jimmy
(03:19):
Butler's getting his flowers for how he's playing. Uh, you
have an emerging star and and and bam out of
Bun Bayou by you you you got emerging star in that.
And the world is getting to see why there's such
a fuss about jokes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know that's ay right, yeah, ye yeah, joke. All right.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I think now everybody's jointed into the conversation comfortably, Like
dude should have got m v P four a third time,
Like he's the best player in the NBA, and be.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Careful, you'll start up some controversy.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Go well, LeVar, I'm not sure if you know this,
but yeah, a lot of people they're not a fan
of him winning it a third.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Time in a row.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Some people think it's because he's white. I'm just saying,
I get.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
It, And never mind the fact that he's European. Yeah,
that doesn't count, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
It's oh the way I love how like everyone brings
up that point, but no one has an issue with
the fact that, what is it, three of our last
the last five MVPs, we've all gone to European players.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, Como, yes, Nicole, Joic and Joe Embii. Now like
none of them from the US, But like, no one
cares about that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But it's all the last five.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It's the color. It's not about where the color comes from.
It's just the color. Everybody focus on that, Like, let's.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Not talk about the fact that, like maybe maybe there's
young men being developed better overseas right now in professional
basketball than they are.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
In the United States. Oh, should that be something we
talked about?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
No, no, no, no, no, let's not talk about that,
talk about something.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Else on it.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
It's just so manufactured, man Like, it's just so like
you can't find anything better.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So that's the angle we go with.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Can I Yeah, that's true? Can I be real? Though?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
When I was watching the first half, I felt like
the Lakers are getting a bunch of calls, and I'm going,
all right, this is this is like typical NBA. That's
when my conspiracy theory mind started to go. I'm like,
it's just it feels like it's gonna be one of
those lopsided like Lakers get one so they don't get swept,
because we all know what the narrative is right now,
(05:37):
Like we're right now talking about you know, Denver and
all that. But the narrative is not Denver. The narratives
the Lakers. It's Lebron. It's how much more is he
gonna play? He hit it out retirement, he gets swept?
What does that mean for his legacy? Like all these
things that are gonna be talked about. I personally feel
like it's really it's really dumb to focus on that
(06:01):
or like when that argument, you know, happens, because he
was phenomenal last night at his age. What he did,
he carried the team basically wired to wire and even
gave the Lakers a shot. Now, I know that wasn't
how he performed the entire series, but when they needed
him to do the most in that game, he was everything.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He needed to be played every minute.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
But he just, you know, in the end, like they
needed more like that that the Nuggets teams could man
like they are a good team as much it's about Jokic,
it's all the pieces involved too, And that's that's why
I'm actually excited to see Denver take on Miami, because
I think Miami's very similar to in that respect.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, Levard just touched on it.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
You got Jimmy Butler, that's great, you got NICOLEA Jokic,
that's great. And you've got these really good complimentary pieces
where other guys step up and can have some performances,
whether it's at at a bio.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Or you know, you go and look at Michael Michael Porter.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Jaal Murray is probably the next guy that comes to mind, though,
Berto not sure if you watch them this series, but
I mean there's just there's so there's so many complementary
pieces on each I mean, who saw Gabe Vincent shooting.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The way he did. You're right in the last game,
like there were lights out.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah. I also like the fact that do you hear
what Burdos? Did you hear him in your air cute? Definitely?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's all I heard was Michael Porters.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You know, all right, tell you what you just said? Murray.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Fun content behind the scenes here Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's a can you hit the button? You don't? Please?
Please please? That's no, you don't want to hit it.
No you don't, that's.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Beyond the button.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Where the white women at.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
No, you need to take a time out. You can't,
you can't, don't, don't bring it. Think up for like
ten seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
It was funny, though. I liked how Denver's approached last night.
All Right, so we've got we've got them down three nothing.
We could easily sort of cruise get this back to
Denver and try and close the mountain five And they said, no,
we're gonna play seven guys and we're going for it.
And you know, lebron Wo mentioned played every single minute
of that game. Jokic only missed three minutes of that game.
(08:17):
They clearly identified let's wrap this up, let's get this
over with. And Brady and I were talking yesterday LeVar
about the fact that the NBA has already said, no
matter what, the.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Finals are starting on June first. Sweet cool.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
So Miami, you know, closes the coffin on the Boston
Celtics tonight, then we got to wait around eight days
for the NBA Finals to get here. Come on, it's
a bit much. Speed this thing up and let's get
it over with. That's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Then you would like for them to keep I would
like for them to keep the rhythm and the momentum
of the schedule. I mean right now, I like how
it's it's been flowing right like every day there's another.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Game sports, right, I just sports. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you know, I know your your kiets are are
doing their things. Yeah, they're doing their things. So you know,
I like the flow of it. I think when you
get that break in time, it kind of lets the
momentum die down.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's like that second week between Super Bowl. Yeah, we
were there.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
We were hoping somebody got busted for like anything, and
then and then it turned out that it was Michael
Irvin and we still don't have any clarity on want
Yeah about to say what happened with Michael erv No idea, huh,
no idea, what happened Hey?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
By the way, I was with Don Martin yesterday, shouts
out to our guy Don Martin, and I just got
to make sure I put this out there before we
go any further in the show, while it's on top
of my mind. Thank you guys out there who listened
to us and support our show. We were talking yesterday
and the success of our show, the growth of our
(09:49):
show has been phenomenal and tremendous. And I know I'm
probably speaking for both of us and all three of
us when when I say this, but I mean it's
it is so cool to have a visual measurement of
how how how much work you put in and what
(10:09):
you want to put out there as a product to
the people that are listening to us. So before I
go any further, I just wanted to make sure I
let you guys know why. It's like top of mind,
Like it's super cool that you guys support our show,
support us the way that you do. Pretty cool, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
While we're sitting here talking about you know, speeches and stuff,
you know, in terms of winning and you know, being
in sports and all that stuff, Like I think that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Like where we're at as people don't know Var is
a cuddler.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
He really know. I'm a spooner like you're.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
But I bet you're a big spool and you could
be a little spoon you know, I can. The big
guy needs to be spooned too.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's very true. No, that's very true. I have been spelled.
In fact, you guys should have saw the way I
slept last night. It's one of the coolest ways of
going to sleep ever. Yeah yeah, And didn't even know
that I fell as that way, but I woke up.
And the cool thing about waking up so early for
your show is that when you wake up and your
arm is dead like for about five six, seven minutes,
(11:11):
you know, then it's like you know, but you wake
up and it was like, wow, what an amazing position
to fall asleep in, and you know what, like my
arm is dead forever, but it'll come back hopefully one day,
and it was worth it. What was the position? Like
it's kind of it's like almost like I can't say
(11:32):
it on air, but okay, all right, yeah, okay, I
mean because it could go wrong the way if I
try to explain it, it could go wrong. Yeah, yeah, welcome
to the show. Yeah, because I would have to give
details for it to make sense. And then if I
gave the details, then.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Let's start this way.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Were you on your stomach, your back, or your side?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I was kind of I was on my right arm.
So it's kind of put it to you like this,
I like I I cuddled her leg. I cuddled her
leg like I went to sleep, like literally, like you
know how you have like the body pillows. Yeah, well
(12:13):
that was her leg, And so it's was she on
your arm or were you on your arm? She was
on my arm because I was holding her leg like
a pillow. You're gonna lose an arm. That's a hell
of a way to go. It was out of there's
it's coming back now. The feeling is coming back. But
it was short enough. It was definitely worth it. I
enjoyed it. You can only imagine where I was laying,
(12:39):
where my head was. Okay, that's and that's where the
story could have got bad going with the details of it.
I mean, what, No, are not too tall for that?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No, I was just she's long, my guy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, I was thinking abou any repercussions, like.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You know, yeah, yeah, but you know what I you know,
if it happened, I was so dead to the world
in sleep, I didn't even realize I fell asleep and
like in that space like we were watching Forensic Fouls.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I mean, you do do a show from six to
nine Eastern.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Times, yeah, and I well, I had just traveled back
to you know, you're so funny.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You're so funny what you made. It's three am here though, I.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Know, yeah, but it's six to nine East Coast. Yeah, yeah,
Monday through Friday. You do that show.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, that is true anyway. Yeah, I enjoyed that. That's
spooning yeas five days.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's right, y'all are funny as f man.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know what I mean. I always knew you were
never afraid to get down and dirty.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I'm just I'm just letting you know. Yeah, that's that's that.
That was my spoon position last night of it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, I was spoon City is a place.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Spoon City a place you know, check the oil. Oh no, oh,
I know, yeah, okay, all right, well, time break.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
It's two pros that Jonas would say that our coverage
and that'll wrap up it up. But to Lamar's point,
for making us a part of your morning, whenever you
do as often as you do on the podcast, whatever
we do, appreciate it absolutely. Yeah, that means a lot
to us. And uh, there's a lot of options out there,
(14:27):
and we like the fact that you're telling us none
of them are as.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Good as ours. So there's that. There's that fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (14:47):
So the NFL did it.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
They did it, Uh, the Thursday night football flexing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, that's happening.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
There's been some revisions to it to what the original
plan was for the in that football flexing, but this
is how goes. It passed with a twenty four to
eight vote. Now they needed twenty four votes to get
it done, and they got it done. There was two
that werewithstanding the last time this was discussed back in March,
but Amazon Prime is going to get two flexes this
(15:16):
upcoming season between weeks thirteen and seventeen, there must be
twenty eight days notice, and no team can play two
Thursday night football road games in a season. And it
was voted in as kind of a trial run. They're
calling it quote unquote, So if it's not utilized this
upcoming season, it would remain in effect for the twenty
(15:37):
twenty four season. And so of course, you know, some
people aren't all that thrilled about it.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I say that again, if it's not utilized, it will
remain an effect.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, it'll remain in effect.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So if they don't use their their ability to use
it this upcoming year, they can just roll it over
to next year.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
So if they don't use it, they don't lose it. No, oh,
because usually that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Really, NFL they sort of rules, well.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's usually the case and everything. Yeah, right, if you don't, NFL,
you aren't getting it back.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
The quote of all quotes, you know, the the Giants
owner John Mara, There you go, Yeah, good man, you
crushed it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How about that home so good? I did it?
Speaker 5 (16:24):
There you go, he said, definitely not surprised, disappointed, but
not surprised. But the money quote goes to Mark Davis,
who spoke with the USA today, and the Raiders owner said, quote,
if you have a Raiders Charger game in Las Vegas,
schedule for a Thursday, and all the fans driving from
Los Angeles, the Raider fans and all three Chargers fans
(16:44):
buy their tickets and book their hotels. How in the
hell do you schedule it now? Say sorry, it's now
on Sunday. How the hell do you do that? End quote?
Fair point all the way around from Yeah, especially on
the three Chargers fans. I thought he brought that up,
So it's.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Out the Bucky Bucky Davis. Isn't this just a day?
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Is this just a clear indication that the NFL cares
about the TV, They don't really care about the in
house product. As far as going to games, they don't care.
They don't really worry about the fans. They worry about
the fans at home because those are the ones that
are bringing in all the money. Hey, that's what it
feels like. Otherwise, how does this make sense for anybody
involved that you're just gonna go ahead in the middle
(17:27):
of a week just decide, well, this is going.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To change really should be taken into consideration.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
What Mark Davis said, I mean, I don't know how
you could do that to the fans, like, because for
what it's worth, that's a more loyal situation than the
TV person, you know, like the people who are willing
to get up and go through the whole process of
following their team and attending the games in the stadiums
(17:54):
like they I mean, they're the ones that should be rewarded,
you know. If anything, they should be the ones that
are taken under you know, consideration, because they're the they're
the active participants. So for them to be put in
a situation like that, it's not very many times. I mean,
it could happen what like to one fan base, what
(18:15):
one or two times maybe, I mean, which is still
a lot. But you know, I wouldn't get too carried
away on that point, but it is certainly a relevant
point to be made there.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I mean, the NFL saying, well, we're just doing it
for a couple of games in between this window.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But isn't that the start.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Isn't this sort of the the bridge to get to
them wanting the ability to do this?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
You want to say, if it works, I think that
that's why it's a start. Like for the very conversation
that we're having right now. How will the fans react
to it? Will there be enough backlash or enough you
know of a response that that is negative towards doing
it where you're not able to just make that the norm.
(19:00):
I would assume you don't want to disrupt what you
already have going on. I'm sure that's going to make
a lot of people upset or or you're going to
see you're going to see a lack of commitment to
ticket sales and different things. You might see a drop
off on that participation on that day just based off
(19:21):
of not knowing.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I mean, well, it's possible.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
What don't we do Why don't we do this? Why
don't we have I said it's for what weeks thirteen
through seventeen? Yeah, right, why don't we look up what
games those are and the likelihood that they can be blessed?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
They started? Who's playing there? Because that's what this is.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
This is really all about al Michaels wanting to eat
his steak at halftime. I feel satisfied with where the
second half.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Of the game's going. It's gonna be captive.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
So Lee, if you would please let us know what
the weeks thirteen through seventeen games are of Thursday Night football,
and we can go around the horn and we can say, hey,
we think this game was gonna get flexed or it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But what do they need to have twenty eight days notice?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Okay, so it's take into account the fact that those games.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
All right, so really you got to make a decision
by you.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Know, week nine, okay, that you're gonna be flexing that game.
So we're gonna look at those teams week thirteen through seventeen,
and we basically have to pick which teams season is
almost gonna be over between weeks nine, ten, eleven, and
twelve that are scheduled to play on thirst at Football.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Does that make sense? That's too complicated.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
No, that makes sense. I've already identified one game that
for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Will be flexed. All right, cool music to it? Go ahead? Yet,
do we have any game music? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Yeah, although it's it's on Amazon that do they have music?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Kawhi Leonard?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It was like, sinister.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
A Philip, I don't even know where you are, by
the way, upon hearing that laugh, the Clippers should have
released him immediately.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He got you.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Lee get a started week he got Lee. Week thirteen,
what do we got? Week thirteen started with Seahawks at Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes, go on, that's not good. That you solid? Week
fourteen Patriots at Steelers, that's solid. That's not getting flexed. Yeah,
that's solid, Brady. You think any of those get flexed?
Speaker 6 (21:41):
No, because I think both Pittsburgh and New England will
be right there in the mix. The first one Seattle
Dallas just because it's Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't think they're going to flex them out of
that window. But too big of a brand.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Even if Seattle can't replicate what they did last year,
which they should be good.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So yeah, I think we're good so far. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Week fifteen, Chargers at Raiders, get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's that's what we started the segment with.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I don't know, don't bucket divisional match up. I don't know,
don't Chargers could be in the mix, Ertos Raiders.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Chargers definitely should be in the mix. They should, They
better be in the mix.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I mean, now, how do they determine which games get
Can any game be flexed from that week into that spot?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Because if that's the case, and now we need to
know who else is matched up.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
During the Cowboys at Bills, we got jets of Dolphins.
Yeah yeah, but that's that's gonna be the Black Friday game.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Whoa, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I can't imagine they would run the run that down?
Why was the ever Friday?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Okay, what's wrong with the Black Friday?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Friday? Black Friday? Oh jesus wow. Unbelievable races. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yes, it is problem, Okay.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I do believe that that's one that I wouldn't have
tremendous confidence in purchasing a ticket, of a plane ticket,
a hotel room, and the game ticket.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I just would not be confident in that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I mean, Vegas at nighttime, the way it's presented is
pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I just don't think that they're gonna want to flex
out of that one. That doesn't feel like one that
would happen.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't know what I'm as well. We should do
an over under on this one. We really should, because
you want all over under, not an over under. But
like if you went all the time again, what's it?
What's it called like either or or something like that.
But anyways, because I would love for a would you. Yeah,
not a boy anyway, Go ahead, Goo.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Ahead, guys. Week sixteen is Saints at Rams. Yeah, I
don't get flexed. I don't do it out there, out
of there.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Do not get a plane ticket, not get a game
Ticket'll get a hotel.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Nobody's interested in Derek Carr and John Wofford for Week
sixteen or whatever this is on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'll they just.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Flex it now, like right, yeah, well we've scheduled the
game for the new two teams.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
We're going to flex out of it today. Now that
is the holiday week. So do you think that we
get less likely they don't want to flex out of it? Say, like, man,
people are making Christmas travel plans, but again you're gonna
have twenty eight days notice. So yeah, what would be
a prime game to be moved into that spot? I
mean Detroit, Minnesota could be good. New England Denver is
(24:33):
supposed to be the night game on Christmas Eve. Yeah,
that's gonna get flexed. That's not that game is not
gonna stay there long.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
All right? What's Week seventeen? Le the final one, last one?
Jets at Browns.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
We get no chance that gets flexed, right, No, that
gets flexed do you think so really Aaron Rodgers possible?
Aaron Rodgers, Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Rodgers at Massage Watts Watson, Massage Watts, Massage Watson.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Come on, that's wow, that's the shirt. Will we get
in trouble if we made a Massage Watson shirt.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, you don't think that already exists. It's gonna be
one out there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
There's gotta be I don't know. I s of course, I've.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Ever heard that there's at least a towel line that
is fricking phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There will be a towel line.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
There's a bowl that uh the moonlight is a surfboard.
You guys have to see them out on the period.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Oh wow, that people just absolutely shredding his surfboard.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Towels.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I heard they use them as jet skis too, a
pizza peel.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Uh So, So basically, what we're saying is that they're
probably gonna have to move the flexing for Thursday Night
into next year.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So they're gonna keep this around the term flexing for
it to shahn Watson.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Maybe they can't flex it because they can't use the word.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
We can't have flex Cleveland out of the Gamecassage.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You what there's no way we just thought of that
that have been around, that is not around.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I've never heard it, no way.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It totally caught me. It was phenomenal. That was the
best pool of the show. That might be the best
pool of the week. There's literally ever there's a pool,
no way, Lee. Can you just Google search that and
see what comes.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I've been looking.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I can't find anything that's a first that is an
exclusive here Massage Watson. That is phenomenal. That is that's
what he's a T shirt. Well, I'm not going to
touch that, all right. I'm just saying I will wear
that shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh man. So there it is. That is your.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Of a potential flex situation in the NFL this upcoming season.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Watson, on the advice of my lawyer, I assert my
rights under the fifth amenute.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
All Right, it is uh a whole lot of things now,
like surfboards, is Brady pointed out?
Speaker 7 (27:12):
So good, pizza, peel bunga.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Hang ten, Hang ten, dude, Gnarley, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Shredding bro oh Man, by the wipeout?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Wat did I tell you?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
I tell you about that guy that called in UH
to a show that I was working on one time.
This is probably like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, this guy
called into a show and totally got me on the air,
and I didn't realize what he said until after he'd
hung up, But he said, uh, yeah, I heard you
guys are based out of California.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
I was like, yeah, he goes, yeah, heard you guys.
Hang ten, I'm from the Midwest. We hang eleven, I said,
And I didn't get it until hung up the phone.
And so when you bring up Cole Bond guy, just
think about how they feel about us out here on
the West coast in the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean, what does that mean? Yeah, I don't know.
Think about it, you know, yeah, eleven, it's probably a
fair point. Though it is two Pros and a Cup
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Speaker 5 (28:58):
So we started off the show talking about the first
ever appearance in the NBA Finals for the Denver Nuggets.
They're on their way to the finals after a sweep
of the Los Angeles Lakers. Nikola Jokicic the talk of
the town. He won Western Conference Finals, MVP was fantastic,
another triple double, all of that fun stuff, And as
(29:19):
Brady Quinn alluded to earlier in the show, you know,
part of the conversation, if not majority, of the conversation,
is going to be about the Los Angeles Lakers, right
or wrong. And the person leading the charge in the
conversation about the Lakers is one Lebron James, because afterwards
he spoke with the media just about his immediate future
(29:40):
when it comes to LA.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Take a listen.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
We's see what happens going forward. But I don't know
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I had a lot to think about, to be honest,
I had a lot to think about, to be honest,
and this.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Will be personally going and going forward with the game
of basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Got a lot to think about now.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Afterwards, he was approached by ESPN and who walked up
to him and said, when you say you've got to
think about stuff, what thread should we be pulling on that?
And he said, quote, if I want to continue to play,
They said, as in next year? He said yeah, And
when asked would you walk away, lebron James again said quote,
I got a lot to.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Think about, so.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Mainly of sudden yeah, and how much longer can he
hold on for that? Because I really think he wants
to do that?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yes? Can Can I throw out a theory to you?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:32):
What would stop him from retiring, taking a year off
and then getting himself ran back up for when Bronny
comes back. And this accomplishes two things, the first being
that you know, he gives his body some well needed rest, right.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, he's he's played for a long time.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I don't know that we've seen someone play as often
in the postseason as we've seen Lebron James at this point.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
In time in his career, and so it gives him
the needed rest where maybe you know, a year older.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
He's a year older, but you know he's going to
keep himself in impeccable shape. He is one of the
most rare athletes are you know, humans I've ever seen,
so it could do him well maybe at this point.
And then the other thing is that obviously times up
well with Braun a little Bronnie, But it also gives
him the flexibility where, even though I believe he's still
(31:28):
under contract with the Lakers at that point, a year removed,
maybe the Lakers got a sense that he wants to
move on anyway, they can look at trying to replace
and rebuild in that void. And then you know, he
can go to a team where Broun is at, so
they can play on the same team and he doesn't
have to try to facilitate necessarily a trader if he
(31:48):
does it. It's a little easier to do that if
he's been out of sight, out of mind for a year.
So I'm not saying this is by any means what
he's going to do, but it's a path that he
could take if indeed that is his goal of playing
with Browny.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I mean that's a new layer to load management. That
is a different layer. You know, take a whole season off.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Do you think because it does make some sense from
a timeline standpoint, but do you think that Lebron would
ultimately not want to take that approach just because that
would be one of the clear differences between him and Jordan.
Jordan took time off and came back. If Lebron could say, well,
I never walked away, I played consistently at a high
level for X amount of years. Like I wonder if
(32:32):
I wonder if part of his thinking is.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
What does that matter now? Though?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
But Jordan took time off like that eight years ago
into his career, where Lebron would have been.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I just think Lebron's looking for a way to differentiate
himself from Jordan. He can't catch him on titles, and
this is a way that he can differentiate himself from him.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I mean, I think his scoring title, scoring scoring record
is what and there's other stat lines that could be
used to make make an argument for Lebron James. I
think at this point now he's definitely if you were
to ask him what he's playing for, it's definitely to
(33:08):
try to outdo Michael Jordan's titles. It's got to be right,
It's gotta be I think.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
We talked about this yesterday. He let that go when
he left Miami.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, there's no chance.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, he left Miami. He let that goal go.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You're saying he consciously knew once he left Miami he
was not going to get I mean he did get
another title.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
No, he got two more if you count the Bubble one.
But you have to understand the point. Miami as an
organization has continually been.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Successful since he left. They never stepped off the gas.
The East has been an easier path than the West.
And when he decided to leave Miami and what he
had where he went to what four straight NBA Finals,
winning two of those four, he left the opportunity to
have them be able to continue to build out around him,
much like Rob Polenka did this year with the Lakers.
(34:00):
But he left that opportunity to allow Pat rather to
do it because he wanted to have control.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
He wanted to do what he wanted to do in Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
And then LA and they really take a different approach.
I just think the priority had changed as soon as
they weren't able to just win a bunch right in
a row, but he was able to win a couple.
He then saw the path, he saw how things worked.
He took it back to Cleveland was able to win one.
There goes to La which I think that had, you know,
family implications, post career implications, a lot more to it
(34:30):
than just playing for the Lakers. And now it's about
his son. And so if that's the case, you know,
I don't. I don't think it's ring chasing at this point,
you know. I think he just wants to be where
his sons out and help his son segue into being
a professional basketball player.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And he can do that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean, and you guys don't think he can do
that from being retired.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He could, But I think he wants to play with them.
I mean that was what you just said.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's what everybody has said, that
he wants to play with his kid. I mean, so
I don't I just for me, if I'm not playing
to try to win it, I don't know why I'm
doing it. Like even if it's my kid, like he's
he's in the pipeline for me to be able to
play with him. I still it's like if I'm not,
if my mind isn't geared towards trying to win a championship,
(35:17):
I just don't know what's my motivation to work out
and keep myself healthy.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Can I tell you what motivation is to play next year?
He's getting forty seven million to play next year?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Lebron is, yes, dropping the bucket.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean at this point, at this point, I mean,
you can never forty seven million, forty seven talking about here?
Forty seven is forty seven? You ain't lying, you ain't.
I mean, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take that Deon
Sanders foot out there for forty seven forty seven million?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Could google forty What do you mean by that? Dion Sanders?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
But I'm gonna take that out there and go ahead
and ball. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I've already seven million.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Have talking about low have mercy.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
That much for you?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
So Lebron did say this during the Warriors series. Early
on in the Warriors Series, he was asked about because
this coincided with Bronnie James announcing his decision to go
to USC and Lebron said, you know, I've done what
I've done, and I had to do in this league,
and my son is going to take his journey, whatever
his journey, however his journey lays out, He's going to
(36:28):
do what's best for him and as his dad and
his mom Savannah, and his brother and sister were going
to support him whatever he decides to do. So just
because that's my aspiration or goal to want to play
with him, doesn't mean it's his. And I'm absolutely okay
with that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I was going to say, too, isn't there a thought?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
And you know, LeVar, your kids are older, so this
is you know, probably more in your mind.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But don't you kind of.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Want your kids to create their own path too? I mean,
as much as it would be cool to see them
live in your shadow, your legacy, there's also an element
of like, I want them to build.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Their own absolutely, yeah, not even close.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Maybe that's what he's weighing.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
You know that there's there's part of that too, where
you know, I mean, look, it makes a lot easier
on family travel if you're playing the same team. I mean,
I mean Lebron is frugal like that. At times you
will see him talking about being cheap about things. Maybe
he's like, what's to play just so he gets on
the team charter with Bronni doesn't have to worry about,
you know, charting his own flights.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
And I don't know, Hum, I'll just say this, whatever
is reason for coming back, I'm sure it's it's legit.
I will say that. No, you know, no hate from
me on on Lebron. I think he has clearly established
what he represents to the game and and to sports
(37:44):
in general. If it's if it's for Bronny, you know, great.
I don't you know, Can I ask you guys this sure?
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Like at this point, is there anything he can do
to change the perception of how people view him versus
Michael Like, like I grew up in an era where
I've been able to see both, right, I mean, Lebron
and I are are high school classmates, same year, and
I look at them both one they're different players. I
personally hate the conversation about, hey, let's compare this guy
(38:17):
from twenty years ago versus this guy and their prime.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
It's like the league's.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Different, the games different, all that, and then they're just
they're very different players. I think the one thing that
like I would hold against Lebron because I do think
he is the best ever next to Michael. The only
difference is the manner in which you know Michael would
go about those end of game scenarios. It didn't matter
if it was the best basketball IQ play, he was
(38:43):
shooting the shot, he won the ball. Kobe had that
two in them and I love. But I think the
point is, like, the people who think Michael Jordan's the
greatest ever are probably the same people who are always
gonna think Michael Jordan's do anything to convince them. The
people who think Lebron is the best ever, they're probably
(39:04):
in the same boat. Like you're not going to show
them some old footage and highlights and clips and games
with Michael and convince them otherwise, Like, I don't know
that there's anything he can prove at this point that
he hasn't already proven.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, unless he's won in championships.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
But even then, like, okay, let's say he gets past six,
people are gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Say, well, Jordan went six. Now Jordan never lost in
the finals. Yeah, Like there's always gonna be like those arguments.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, you're right, people already have held on to their opinions,
and because there's been such a divide that it just
made people dig in even more and whatever their opinion
is so and their justification for it. And they'll do
the math and say, well, Jordan, to Brady's point, was
undefeated in the finals. And people will say, yeah, but
it's more impressive that Lebron took multiple teams to the
(39:51):
finals and won multiple championships. And then they'll discredit the
bubble and they'll say, yeah, but it's you know, a
Lebron did it when everybody else is trying to do
it in the bubble difficult circumstances. It just I think
everybody's dead set on whatever their opinion is on who
the greatest of all time is Lebron. And look, also,
this is the first time and he's talked about potentially
(40:12):
needing surgery in the offseason. You're starting to see his
body break down. Like that's the other part of this.
And that's the one thing that is unarguable amongst everything
between Jordan and Lebron, Like don't nobody even try and say, well,
Michael Jordan's durability and compared to Lebron James, the number
of years. I mean, Jordan missed almost all of a
(40:32):
season early in his career, and you can say, well,
load management, this man load management all you want. Lebron
James has played for however long he has at a
high level and his body has not really broken down
until recently. And maybe that's part of him just sort
of understanding I can't do it like I used to, right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Even if I want to.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
The other thing that like, in regards to an argument
for Lebron, you know, the was a nine straight right
finals whatever it was, and I look like I look
at the Buffalo Bills that run they had for what
was in ninety one to like ninety four when at
the four.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Straight Super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
That's one of the greatest teams ever in NFL history.
But they they'll never receive the credit because they didn't
win it. Yet when you think about into into if
that happened today with social media and everything else, like
we tend to anoint teams that going back to back years.
Or we look at the Kansas City Chiefs and go, well,
look at them, they've won two and they're in the
(41:32):
AFC Championship Game every year. Right, we've kind of anointed
them as the next dynasty. Like the Bills were in
Super Bowls for four. You could go to college. And
all you knew during that period of time in college
unless you did a victory lap was the Buffalo Bills
going to a super Bowl. It was it was absurd.
I mean, it's kind of more ridiculous that they weren't
(41:52):
able to win one. Like you've got four shots, that's like, hey,
let's flip a coin. Okay, I'm gonna go go four
straight times? You not getting heads right, you call? I mean,
it's it's hard to think that at some point you're
not going to get a win out of that. And
I think you can kind of look at that for
Lebron and just go there is sheer just incredible ability
(42:13):
to play at that high of a level for that
long and help will your team to go to that
many straight finals.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Two hundred and eighty one career playoff games. That's almost
three and a half seasons just to playoff basketball. And
in those games, he averaged over forty one minutes a game.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
And this is like the Tom Brady Joe Montana argument, right,
because when Tom Brady surpassed Joe Montana, you know, oh,
Joe Montana was undefeated, you know when he played in
Super Bowls? Right, Yeah, Tom Brady wasn't. Yeah, but look
how many he went to.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yeah, he can't even compare to too noo many, just
too many super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And that's how I'm sure some people know the team
in one one.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
That's I'm sure some people feel about Lebron when you
play in that, like anyone who's who's played. And I
feelk this more comes from perspective of of you know,
most people who've been in the competition, but it's like
just getting there is hard enough, and so they understand
like how hard it is just to even have a shot,
have an opportunity. And that's and that's why I think,
(43:12):
you know, most players probably yeah, dude, like for as
long as he's played the way he's played, like, I mean,
he he next to Shack to me are the two
physical biggest physical.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Phenoms the NBA has ever seen.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Like you just don't see people who are built like that,
that can last like that, that are have the combination
athleticism and everything else to dominate the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Game and plus mission accomplished. For a lot of people
that have a vested interest in all this because they've
got rights deals with the NBA, Lebron retirement speculation is
going to carry a lot of shows at certain places
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Now, right, what place would that.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Be, well, you know yeah, places like ESPN.
Speaker 5 (43:49):
That would be where they want to go. So they're
gonna they're gonna hold onto this one and milk this
ers for as long as they can until Lebron decides. Yeah,
I'd like to come back. I feel better now. I've
had a couple of weeks off and I drank.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Some wine and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
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