May 24, 2023 • 47 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brooks Koepka is still going hard after his PGA Championship. The Celtics stave off elimination by the Heat. The guys explain how negatively the new fair catch rule will affect the NFL. The Old P, Petros Papadakis talks about Mike Bohn’s resignation as USC’s AD and the pathetic narratives surrounding the sweep of the Lakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar Airings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning. How the hell we feel in here on
a Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hi, you got one, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
His team? Got one?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
LaVar?
Speaker 5 (00:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What the Golden Knights?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Yea, the Green Knights. Yeah, you know the Green Knights.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Big Vegas, Golden Knights. Guy, I mean, listen to Boston. Finally,
all took was Miami to be favorite. Next thing, you know,
the Celtics came out and actually didn't fold when they
were down a deficit at some point during that game.
So it's kind of odd considering they were such overwhelming
favorites going into the series and yet they're just trying
to take these moral victories, like well, when they got
(00:49):
down nine or ten, at least they didn't collapse.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's I mean, you were calling for Joe's head.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was not calling for his job.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I mean you brought up him getting fired.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
That was a real possibility and is still a real
possibility depending on how this series finishes out.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's always a possibility.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Yeah, It's just more of the fact that it wasn't
really a talking point, but you felt like that was
a talking point.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I guess there's been a lot of speculation that Joe
Maszuoli has there.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yes, and I don't for any of your speculation.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I don't reroof for anybody to lose their job. I
never called for jobs. It just wouldn't surprise me if
they went in that direction.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
But yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Calling for Joe Mazuol's job.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Listen. I don't recall it per like you know, per se,
but I will say I will say this was a
year where you thought that Jalen and and and Tatum
would take this team to another level. You know, could
they could they conquer the seventy six ers, Could they
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win in a division that has the Milwaukee Bucks. I
don't think anybody was really paying attention all that closely
to Miami. And it's interesting because Miami is one of
those teams they'll climb up on you, and you know,
they're a grappling type of team. They're they're gritty, they're tough.
(02:18):
They do so many different things so well that you
just might not expect they hit you in your mouth
so quickly. By the time you figured out you've been punched,
in your mouth. They got to lead on you. Now,
can they overcome a three, you know, three game deficit
and now they have one? Can they so can they
overcome the two games and get it back to an
even series? You know, I don't know, but I really
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think that with the type of team that they have
and what what the expectation of Boston is if if
they don't, if they don't do better than what they're
doing right now. I I'm not gonna say I'm I
don't think that Jonahs has some something there. I think
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that they may get another coach.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Well, we talked about the fact that first off, he
was not supposed to supposed to be the head coach
to begin truth, and so it's it's maybe it gets
a little bit of a grain assault with To go
along with that, you also have to think about the
fact Brad Stevens put him in this position, probably because
you know, he still can control a lot of the
things Joe Missoula does. You know, given is an experience
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and all that you go and bring in a Mike
Butenholtzer or Monty Williams, whoever else you want to throw
in the category, you might not get that, you know,
this is a guy that you could probably have, you know,
a little more involvement in how things are run and
what goes on.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And help shape him as a coach.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Whereas you bring in a coach he's got success elsewhere,
different experiences, You're gonna have to deal with some of
that and you might have to compromise. So I do
wonder how Brad Stevens and the rest of the front
office in Boston factors into the decision to move on.
When I mean, look again, Boston won last night. I'm
more bringing it up to joke. I mean, we don't
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have to have a serious conversary.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
The point is there are potential other candidates out there
they could look at. I think what's more interesting about
it is the fact we've never seen a team come
back from a three to zero deficit in the NBA Finals,
and the Boston Celtics they're channeling the two thousand and
four Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm not sure if you.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Saw some of the stuff out there, but there is
the slogan don't let us win tonight is what the
Celtics were kind of using as motivation going.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Into last night's game.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, I mean he don't let the win win last
night because they're going to rip off at four in
a row to go turn the series.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You had attendance, Derek Jeter, was there a lot of
celebrities in South Florida. Brooks Koepka looks like he's been
on a four day bender and it just is being
wheeled around on a gurney to whatever sporting events going
on in South Florida. He looks banged up in a
half man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He's a PDS.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They can sort of run, he looks.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
You guys don't follow like golf, but Phil podcast yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I don't don't care about golf. Golft it that's what.
That's what that podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
From the from the Rough with Lebar and jonas the thing.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You guys don't know. There's actually a spots that we're
talking to right now.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So anyway, Oh, I really love golf. Let me tell
you something about I love being on the greens.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I don't think I don't think you're'll be doing the
live reasons.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Yeah, So Michleson came out and made a comment after
Kopka one obviously wins a major and basically touting that
this is why the Live Tours what's best for professional
golfers because they can go enjoy their lives and they
can go make a lot of money and they can
prepare or have more time to prepare for majors. And honestly,
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like if Brooks kept, it goes on the PGA Tour,
he'd be He's supposed to be in Dallas this week.
You know, they have the Charles Schwap Challenge, and they
got the Memorial term of the following week. Then that
they've got the the Open after that or the US
Open after that. It's it's like, you know, he's not wrong.
I mean, these guys are allowed to then go around
and kind of parade and have fun because they play
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less golf, they play less events, they're making more money.
I mean, there's a lot of truth to what Nicholson
has kind of said in regards.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
The whole Live Tour and PGA Tour, and.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Hence why Brooks kept, because it's going on this victory
lap if you will around South Florida.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, first, and I would like to defend again, I'd
like to defend Lebar and I hear now I have
I have well listen to.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Don't worry. No one's bringing you guys into to sell.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
This joking or are you Sometimes I just don't know
between the two of you'll joking.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Here's why trying to be serious, because there's seriousness to
what I said.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
So, so I have a US Open twenty sixteen hat,
like one of those like Tom Kite hats from back
in the day he used to wear on the PGA tour.
And it's from Oakmont in Pennsylvania with LeVar. You know this,
it's about twenty minutes outside downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania there, so
in there you know, a little US Open twenty sixteen throwback.
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I mean, so I know what I'm talking about here.
When it comes to golf and broke Ko looks banged.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
All the way up.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
He need an ivy. Yes he wanted him rejuvenating that
ives that's all.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But celebrate all you want the guy put on.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
He's going to be getting an ivy court side like
the next time would be fun time.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Fine. I'd probably offer them in Miami.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Though, speaking of a speaking of getting banged up, Jimmy Butler,
Jimmy Buckets after the game, you know you would think
they lose that game by seventeen, and Boston kind of
pulled away late and ran away with it, and really
the three ball was the story of the game, and
also Boston's defense, which decided to show back up in
game four the series with Jimmy Butler afterwards talked with
(08:03):
the media about what's next for the Miami Heat and
apparently Brooks Kopka.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Is kind of rubbing off on some of the members
of the Heat there.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Jimmy, it's only one loss, obviously, but is there any
concern on your part that this could start to build
momentum on the Boston side of things.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
No, if anything, it'll build momentum for us, knowing that
we have to play with a lot more energy and
you know, we got to play like our backs are
against the wall. But I think all year long we've
been better and to do things our way.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
After a game like this, how do you personally kind
of avoid from getting too low yourself.
Speaker 10 (08:37):
Stay consistent, do the same thing that I do that
we do after every game. We're gonna listen to some music,
you know, We're gonna drink some beers back there.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I'm going to go have some wine.
Speaker 10 (08:47):
I don't think that you could just focus on basketball
all the time. You have to be able to, you know,
get away from the game a little bit, think about it.
But at the end of the day, you fall back
on you know, your habits, how and you're gonna be
and myself and my teammates, we're gonna do the same thing.
We're gonna smile, We're gonna be in this thing together.
It's like we always are, and we're gonna go get
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one on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Just confidence, man, that Miami confidence.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Throw back a couple of throat bombs, just you know,
talk about what happened and then move on to the rest.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
They're like, you know, talking about Jimmy Butler's like pregame
routine and get all fired up. They're like, yeah, man,
sometimes he listening to mint Is Cyrus back there, Hey,
I already Peever, They're like, it's Rick Ross to the
next game.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
He's like he's all over the place.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
He's like, we want to mess with him because he
gets them fired up no matter what he's listening to.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Very confident though. I mean, they're gonna go get one
on the road and then you know, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I think money right now, I mean, you got one
more game. You got one more game that where you
can be entirely positive, like this game, this next game,
you can be entirely positive because if they win, they
still only have two wins in the series. Now, while
that might be stressful and it might have an impact
(10:07):
and a bearing on how you interview after they won
a two straight games. The the idea of thinking that
a team a team can run off four straight I mean, we.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Did just see two sweeps take place.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But against the Miami Heat team, the concept of running
four games now running three games, I just don't that's
highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely. It's unlikely.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
But the one thing Boston has going for themselves is
two of the next three are in Boston, so you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They've they've really they've really.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Got to just hold home court. And then they've got
to steal game six in Miami, which they just stolen
in Miami. So I mean, it's it's definitely doesn't seem
like based on how the first three games went, bost
someone have a shot. But this is Jonas's childhood teeth
and I'm gonna be a good teammate on our show,
(11:07):
and so I'm gonna try to give some positive vibes
to Jonas to pick him up a little bit.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
I've got some positive vibes for one Braden Quinn and
one Lavarro Arrington. Okay, we've got ourselves in talking about
the Boston Celtics. What would you guys say, are hearing
Jimmy Butler's comments, how positive they are, They're gonna get
on the liverloob post game listen to some Waylon Jennings
(11:35):
or Conway Twitter or whatever they listen to in the
locker room there. What do you think? What do you
believe the betting line is for Game five of this.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Series back in Boston on Thursday night?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
If you had the Celtics minus four?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
All right, LeVar, what's your guess?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
All right? Well, my lad you have probably say, don't know,
I don't give a down.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Is that your Irish accent? I please do that again?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
This is my Irish accents, Brady, especially when I've had
one or two long ailids. It's amazing, my letty. Uh
So we're saying it in points.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, like what do you think the spread is? Like?
Who do you think is favored?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And by how much?
Speaker 8 (12:28):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I would probably say the Boston Celtics are favored by
at least.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Six six Really, Brady just said four. Interesting.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
The betting line for Game five at TD Bank North
Boston Garden or whatever the hell they're calling it nowadays
is the Boston Celtics minus seven and a half. Oh,
friends of DraftKings.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Wow, I mean say the first off, Jonas you like
question that when LeVar I said him he was almost
dead off.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was trying to throw him off a little bit,
trying to get him to uh, you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Know, why would you do that to your teammate? Especially
why you do that?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
My lad? Yeah, all we have to do is just
sit down at the bar and have a pop put two.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
But yeah, so still the Celtics, for us inexplicable reason,
continue to be pretty heavy favorites. Uh, you know in
most of these games in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Speaking of can we go to Ireland for the Notre
Dame game?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I know it's you know, it's it's outside your realm there, LeVar,
But that is not outside of my realm.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Did you see?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
There's there's gonna be it's it's gonna be the largest
group coming from the United States to an international event.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Ever, I want to go.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
I've told you one thousand people going to Dublin, Ireland
over thirty nine thousand.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I get to do that with.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Q like, come on, I'm there, I said, I go,
so that's.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Going to talk to Scott and don Man. We're trying
to make it app Scott and done.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
What else would be in the kick going going to
So the London games in the NFL don't dry anywhere
close to that as far as fans going over because Jack.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I mean, I would think like maybe an Olympic event,
you know, especially if it was you're talking about Paris
or somewhere like that, you get a big intentionent from
the United States.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Or a World Cup thirty over thirty nine thousands.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
That's a lot of I mean, their economy is going
to get a nice little little kick, yeah, little boost.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I saw that.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
I like kept looking at my because that I'm like wow.
And then I was thinking to myself, well, if we
don't have things booked by now, it's gonna be tough
to find a place to stay.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
When we get that's true.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I mean it's not like it's not like Ireland is
that heavily populated, and for those who visited there, you know,
Dublin obviously is a big city, but then you really
got to go across the country to places like Galway
or some of the other spots before you get more
densely populated areas.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's a lot of open space.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I mean we at this point, we could be staying
out on a farm with like like I don't know,
literally like in a barn with with some goats.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
At that that's all I need.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Would they have a barn called Orchids of Asia and
one of those places, I don't.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Think that's what they where They're milk of the cows.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't think that's what they're meaning.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Where Who's next?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Oh, just go over there to that barn right there, Letty,
it's called Orchids of Asia.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Oh it is?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Uh yeah, I mean, like if we were to pull that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Off, I'll definitely go.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
By the way, I know LeVar is in because I
feel like he likes traveling like that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Jonas so suspect so suspect.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
On that I'd be at. We we could find one pub.
We don't have to go pub crawling or hopping. We
find one and hang out and sing and do it
every single day.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
By the way, I have I have seen Navy in
person before when they took on Hawaii at at the
Great Aloha Stadium, which is being ripped down in like
twenty minutes or something like that. But so I have
seen Navy play before, so listen, let's make this happen.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That'd be fun. Well, Navy, notice, I.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Can already tell you right now, Jonas's excuse and Lee
Duck is catch astray. He's gonna say, I have to
stay back with Lee because Lee and Ireland is just
a bad competition.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I mean, and I'm certain that they would start a
go fundme fun to get Todd over there exactly with
his double sided Lightsabery.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Let me tell you something right now, you guys, keep
this up. Not only where I go. I'll take Navy
plus twenty one right now in draft cans.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Oh, I'll piss off the line already out people, Yeah,
the line's already out.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Line is out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
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Speaker 6 (17:03):
You guys, ready for the NFL to go ahead and
start making some major changes.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Sure, all right, So they lost my hubcap.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
So NFL owners approved the new fair catch rule in
the NFL in which basically, if you decide to fair
catch it in between anywhere before the twenty four point
nine yard line, you're just gonna go ahead and get
the ball at the twenty five yard line. So they
already do this in college football. But the idea, and
this was talked about yesterday, is again they want to
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improve player safety, and they feel like this move, which
they're calling a quote unquote trial run only for one year,
this move, they feel like, is going to reduce the
number of concussions by fifteen percent because it's going to
entice players to maybe not bring the ball out if
it's kicked short, just take it on the twenty five
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and then move on with your lives. And it just
feels like this is another step in the direction of
the walls closing in and them trying to get rid
of one of the most exciting plays in football that
we've seen a lot of exciting players be a part
of and have major impacts on games in their careers,
whether it be Devin Hester or Brian Mitchell, you name it,
and yet here we are the NFL is trying to
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eliminate it all for the sake of player safety.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Do we know the percentage on amounts of like in
terms of you said the percentage going down by fifteen percent.
I would be curious as to how many how many concussions,
cause you know, my major concussions when I got them
were on special teams. I wonder what the percentage of
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special teams concussions are to the entire hole. Okay, it's
probably been receiving receivers getting hit defenseless or considered to
be defenseless, or targeting or whatever it may be. And
then it would have to be special teams, And I
wonder would actually be the It's.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Kickoff is number one.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I believe it's the most dangerous play, which is one
of the reasons why they're trying to make this change,
even though it's to the disliking of most special teams
coaches that are in the NFL. One of the reasons
is they the way they go about kicking the mortar kicks.
So they'll kick it basically with a bunch of air
because a lot of these kickers are strong enough to
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be able to kick it out of the end zone.
But now they'll kick it with enough air to try
to get that ball caught somewhere between the goal line
and the five, and then they can cover down enough
so now they're not getting the ball, you know, out
at the twenty five, they're gonna get the fifteen to
twenty something like that. You know, that's kind of become
more of the style that you've seen attempted in college
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and then probably a little better executed at times even
in the NFL. And that's the thing is you're probably
gonna get more of that because and LaVar, you know,
this like an extra ten five yards. It may not
seem like a lot to the people on the outside,
but that's the difference between you have to stop an
additional for down, Like that's the difference between a team
potentially going forward on fourth down and a defense having
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to face you know, four down territory verse three down
and being able to get off the field.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And those numbers add up obviously over the course of
a game and of the course of a season.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
And that's why I think there's some people who are
like that this is you know, taking it a step,
maybe a little bit too far, even though it's in
the best interest of player safety. So look, they're not
gonna get rid of the kickoff because otherwise, like what
the hell you're gonna call the game or the start
of the game. It's it's kind of been the most
like ceremonial thing ever that just it just it's too
(20:37):
it's too much part of the game right time. Kick
If you didn't have the kickoff, That's what I'm saying,
is like I don't know, I can't picture in my
mind what it would look like because you have this big,
like you know, the crowd getting intense, getting excited, the
guy's sway, and the kicker puts his hand up, he gets.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Ready to go, and it's just there's this whole like
moment of time where you're like, that's the beginning of it.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
It's part of the vernacular. Hey what times kickoff? Now,
we're just gonna get that.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But it's more about even just being there and the
feeling of it, Like it's almost like literally a shotgun
started at a track race, Like that's the start, Like
you know, that's the moment when you hear that ball
literally being kicked and the entire crowd's like it's just
it's a feel to it. If you took that away,
I think it killed the live game experience. It'd be
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those awkward thing.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Ever, Yeah, I mean, it would probably feel like a
scrimmage for some reason. I mean, would people adapt and
adjust if they did adjust it out of the game.
I'm certain that the fan base would adapt and adjust.
But to a purest I do think that that would
be a difficult It would be difficult adjusting and adapting
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to not having a kickoff. But I don't know, man,
it just seems like that is It definitely is a
dangerous part of the sport. Is definitely a part of
the sport that you could say if if you found
ways to minimize it or even not do it, you're
you're you're basically preserving the health of a lot of guys,
(22:13):
you know. I don't know. It's just it's such them
guys are moving so fast and they're hitting so hard.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
You know, I don't I'll tell you what. I'll tell
you why it's not already out of the game. Because
how many starteris do you actually have on special teams?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Not many?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You know, usually your core special teams guys are the
ones that are set up in your L four L
five R four L A R five. Those are the
guys who are set up to make the tackle, make
the play, and and it's those core special teams guys
that are backups on defense and offense are the ones
that are are typically the ones that are out there
playing special teams and getting hurt, you know, if you
(22:50):
had Like again, we see all sorts of rule changes
to protect quarterbacks because people tend to think, well, hey,
these are the face of the franchise, face of the league.
However you want to do it, so you know, they've
cot you know, callous times, I mean changed rules to
help protect the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This isn't as much of a sense.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Of urgency because it's not that important of a position
in the minds of the rules makers.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
I mean, at what point do you just accept the
fact that it's a violent game and like there's going
to be stuff that you there's nothing you can do
about it.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
In today's society, that's not it's not that's not that simple.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Can we make football like like kind of separate from
today's say, it's.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
A good point because why do we view like miss
mixed martial arts, So we're not putting in safeguards necessarily
for that, yet we we do for football, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So you should then begin to take martial arts classes then,
because then you know, you would know martial arts better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Great point, that's true, Yeah, that's true. I just I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I look at it, and to Brady's point, like that's
the signal of the start of a game. Did the site,
the excitement, everything that comes along with it, the buzz,
and then it's and now we're gonna you know, it's
it's like the guy from the office who gets moved
down or what's office space that movie he was in Milton.
He gets moved down to the bottom and they just
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keep sort of closing the walls in. Finally they just
get to the point to where it's like, dude, you
no longer have a job here.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's over. Like it just feels like that's where the
NFL is trying.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
To get this instead of trying to eliminate the play
all together with you know, an advantage on the fair catch.
You go out to twenty five, you know they've they've
changed the way you know, punts are that play in
particular has been you know played even kickoff formations. I
would wonder if they would ever look at trying to
space out players more in like a kickoff formation, to
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help reduce the amount of space in between both teams,
because because that's part of it too, is when you've
got a lot of space guys building up speed and
running towards each other, it's just a big collision. And
so I wonder if there's a more creative way of
trying to, you know, allow more kickoffs, but not necessarily
allowing to be quite as much space between them when
they're doing this.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They did that, what what what league was that they
did it in? Was that the USFL?
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Or maybe and I'm sure you'll continue to see experiments
done in both the XFL and USFL as almost experimental leagues,
or even even in the preseason, you know, you might
see some of that.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I get to ask you guys this, well, yeah, how
did they identify who was going to be the wedge breaker?
Was it the guy that seemed like he had a
little something wrong with him?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And they said was the breaker my freshman year? Okay
makes five? The hash the hash guys, the wedgebuster.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It was the guy who had no neck. They're like, hey,
get that guy. It looks like he's a walking around
like a battery.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
He has no he has no fear. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So Davis Mills with his thermost neck would never be
the wedge breaker that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Was his neck.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
If he wanted to really get a shorter neck, he'd
have to go be the wayge breaker back in the
old days.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He would lose like eight inches.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Off his deck.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You have a normal neck by by By, three seasons
into his career.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Being a wedge breaker would be a trip watching a
quarterback run down the hat.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
All of a sudden, you see Davis Mills racing at
the Kentucky Derby. You're just, hey, what happened to you?
I played wedge By the way, we do have an update.
We have a wedge breaker on the show.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Let's go live to lead to laugh who claims he
was a wedge breaker.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Oh, I was a wedge breaker in the middle of
the wedge. Yeah, and they made me put on a
horse collar because I'd always knocked myself out for hurt
my neck.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This is explaining a lot of things. What high school
is this?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Lee Notre Dame high school?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, that's right, baby, Yeah, have you talked about these
stories with Todd. Was Todd's like, dude, no way I
was a wedge breaker?
Speaker 8 (26:47):
No way Todd played.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did Todd say, hey, Lee, you think you could put
those football pants again one more time? Or put that
cowboy collar on again with no jersey only when we're camping?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, Todd, I think I played, you know, flag football.
I don't think he ever played real football.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He seems like he might have been a wedgebuster too.
I mean, I don't know, Lee.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
How are you feeling now? Do you do you still
wake up some days and have like fear of the
fear of just breaking up the wedge. Do you ever
wish you could go back and do it again?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Absolutely, no fear.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
No, Just like LeVar said, you kind of had to.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Just God, that's amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
How many times do you knock yourself out countless? Like
like what are we saying here?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Like five?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Six?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I mean once a once.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I'll say that, Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Give me your mindset was your running downfield if you
can remember.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I know it's been a while, but give me your
mindset where you just like biting your mouth like, oh,
I'm gonna create destruction.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
If there's any fear it's that if you don't go
full speed you will get hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So you yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
You just have to go as freaking fast as you can.
And it was always and it was yeah, it was
actually really fast. And it was always the biggest guy.
I was not big at all, but it was always
against the biggest guy on the opposite team. They'd always
be cackling before the game looking over at me, and
then by the end of the.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Game about knocking them out or did you get knocked out?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We'd like knock each other out. Usually we usually go
down to one you hit each other and you just
stop and go down to one knee and then stare
at each other and then I usually get death at
the end of the game.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Do you guys ask each other while you were on
one knee if you can cuss each other? Like or
you can cussed? No?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think you just know right. You just look at
each other.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Guy just looked at each other like yeah I can cuss, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I always got respect from the from the opposite guy,
the biggest guy on the team by the end of.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
The By the way, the NFL is saving this and
using this is there, why are we adjusting the kickoff rules,
and they're using all of these answers right now as
he knocked himself out once.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Everything we missed what Lee said. He wasn't just a
wedge buster. He was part of the wedge right.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So the other so give me respective on that side
is you were watch of this dude fly out at you.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Uh yeah, you kind of you definitely kind of measure
each other up. You kind of get a little nervous,
but again you kind of just gotta flip that switch
and just know you got to go full speed otherwise
you're gonna get knocked out.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
I remember when my brother played at Morpark College. It
was junior college, and they were actually a pretty good team,
and one of his buddies, like his dear friend, his
role was he was the wedge breaker. And we watched
him in a game go down and hit a group
of guys on the kickoff and get absolutely disintegrated. And
he was so buzzed that he came to the sideline
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and said, does that count as a pancake? Because he
got pancaked. He had no idea of really what had happened,
and you just think about all and that's at the
junior college level. I can't even imagine at the pro
level what those collisions look like. From the sideline I
had an NFL game, I can't even imagine just the
car wrecks every single time.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So geezily, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean, it does explain a lot.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
But big drops to you, buddy, Hey, big props to you.
Every single wedgebuster and guy knew that was a part
of that. I always had the utmost respect for. I
remember one of our backup offensive linemen, Lenny Friedman. He
he was a backup center, super super smart guy. I
love talking to him just about football, business, everything else.
But he also seeing him get geared up to go
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out there to be a part of the wedge, like
you knew exactly what was going through his brain, like
this is potentially detrimental to my long term health. But
he was his toughest nails and he'd go out there
and he'd go out there trying to blow someone up.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
So it's a doggy dog world. They're playing on special teams.
That's sure.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Was the meat wagon a wedge breaker.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't recall going back.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I just I would define him as a thumper, like
was he was our hardest hitting linebacker we had, and
he had no problem whatsoever inflicting pain on other people.
Like you know, like some guys like when they are
hard hitters, they'll like help the dude up or something.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
They kind of know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Jake's the typed out would have would have just walked
right over a dude, laid him out and just walked
a hand or something.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, he wouldn't extend anything.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
He was just literally doctor dude out and then walk
right over top of him and like make sure you
let it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Let him know man.
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Speaker 6 (31:59):
Petros Rovin AGAs the co host of the Petros and
Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM
five to seventy LA Sports. He's a Fox College football analyst. Petros.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
Good morning, Hello, Hello to everybody.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
A little behind the scenes here, we heard from some
good sources that Petros was dying to talk about Lebron's decision.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Oh, I need to break it down, but another decision.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
But Petros, we need to start here because we've had
several days to get some inside intel and trying to
figure out what's going on. But we got to know
the very latest on the boner. Come on, you know
about what happened with the what happened with Mike Bone
at USC. Petros, you really don't you really don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
I don't know what happened. You were on the air
with me when it happened.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, but you've been doing some digging.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
Come on, you're the guy.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Well, the La Times came out and kind of said
that he was an HR nightmare and that he seemed
to be an HR nightmare in Cincinnati that USC didn't vet.
But you'd have to think that a couple creepy back
massages didn't get this guy fired. And then you wonder
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what it is to get this guy fired because his
firing is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Is it not?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, but it was on a Friday, nobody noticed, wells.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
USC petros, we kind of come to expect it of late.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Well, that's kind of the thing.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
I mean, that's the bar was so low that us
USC types were just were just encouraged that they hired
a guy who'd been an.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Athletic director before.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Seriously, he was an athletic director at Colorado and Cincinnati before,
and it felt like a safer hire. And the new president,
who they vetted hard from North Carolina apparently vetted him hard.
And they had a search firm, which is supposed to
exonerate you and take all the bullets for you if
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you make the wrong decision. But us he hired a
search firm to hire Clay Helton years ago. And I
don't understand why you need a search firm to hire
somebody that's already on your staff. So they've done this before,
and it's a terrible error, and it makes me feel
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it makes me feel disheartened. I think it's disheartening because
he must have done something pretty embarrassing or pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Really, find this guy we're the search for. He was
on their staff.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Is that what you're saying, Well, the Clay Helton was.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Bone was at Cincinnati and then he had a guy
with him named Brandon Sozna.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
You guys cannot believe just the new.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Room massage these guys got from the LA media when
they came here and to see it all flip so
quickly and the LA Times actually sink this guy's ship
and then come out with more and more of a
developing stories.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
The weekend goes on about he said this, he did this.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
But even all that stuff seems a little tame for
the amount of embarrassment that this is to USC. This
is the new president, this is the new ad, This
is the new non good old boy network of USC.
And it didn't work. So Lincoln Riley's out there flapping
in the wind. You don't have an ad. You have
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a president that people have lost faith in. No one
knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
It's it seems like maybe Saul's not given the job
he did while he was at USC, would maybe be
a guy that'd want to bring back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Is that is that a possibility for a replacement?
Speaker 9 (35:43):
Well, I mean he's connected to all the stuff the
old boner Reno did or didn't do in Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
You know, he's seen all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He's totally connected to know, so, you know, and now
all of a sudden that the Bonero is no longer
persona grata at USC, you're starting to hear the whispers
of stuff that we said all along, Like they got
lucky with Lincoln Riley. They took a phone call.
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Late at night and Lincoln Riley came to them, and
this isn't that big of.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
A deal, and blah blah blah. One thing he did
do was hire a USC baseball coach that's having success,
and that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Was he a part of getting USC to the Big
ten and kind of securing more financial stability?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Is that one of his takeaways?
Speaker 8 (36:32):
No, I think the US he took a call from
Fox at a higher level than that.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
But maybe you know more than me. I mean, I'm
sure he had some part in it. What do you
mean you worked there too? Petros?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Where at Fox?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Where come?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
I've been invited to the Mountain West media Day, Okay,
not the way Vegas.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Yeah, I want the invite downtown Vegas. Yeah, I'll take
you down to Fremont Street, can show you a real
mountain one.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Don't take it to the peak.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Nothing little you get invited, nothing, you don't call games.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I just I would love to be in me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I would love to be in the room when Petrous
meets with a search firm and they're like, we're recommending Clayhilton,
he's on your staff. I would love to see Petros's
reaction to that.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
How much were you?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
That's not even what and that's you know, all of
it is just I mean, Steve Sarkesian was hired by
Pat Hayden and Chris Peterson was poisoned by Pat Hayden
after an interview because USC wanted to hire the drinking buddy,
and then and then they were like, oh my god.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
We can't believe he drinks.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Like it's been you know, it's honestly, guys, with USC,
it's been so much over the years and so hard
to calculate because a lot of their embarrassments, and really
the more serious ones are not near the football field.
I mean, people just care about football, and that's a
big that's a big draw. But us he's had a
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lot of problems in the last twenty years, basically because
of a bad university president named Max Nikias. A lot
of terrible things have happened. And I don't know if
you guys can relate with this with Penn State or
Notre Dame or Jonas with one thousand Oaks High School.
I'm just I'm too close. I'm too close to it
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now after all this stuff that's happened, and it's kind
of hard for me to make sense of it anymore.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
I can't see the forest for the trees.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
I start thinking about Mike Bone, and I get visions
of Josh Shaw jumping out of his window to avoid
the police, saying that he saved his nephew from drowning.
I think about Pete Carroll, and then I get visions
of Steve Sarkisian doing updowns after a drunken episode with
Cody Kessler, the quarterback, overseeing him as a player. I
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just it's really homeless, guys. Yeah, that happened under the
Old Bone Arena, you know. I think about Mike Garrett
and then I think about that homeless guy returning punts
like Mike Garrett did back in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Petros I got a quick question for you, though, does
what happened to Clay Hilton's golf simulator?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Did the bum take it with him or did?
Speaker 8 (39:20):
I would imagine it's still there, Okay, I don't know,
I haven't.
Speaker 9 (39:24):
Like you know, it's so funny, like how much money
college football programs make today because they are building. They
just built this other USC facility and now they're making
plans to build another one for just for Lincoln Riley
a special taj Mahal to his offensive ability and ability.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
To lose to twu Lane so for Utah, you know,
twice double up. So no, So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Can we get to Lebron do whatever you want? You
guys asked about the bone you know that.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Was doing from it's been The Lakers have been described.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
To you at the grassroads. I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Sorry, have been described as the greatest UH team to
get swept in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Is that.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I mean?
Speaker 9 (40:36):
Are they Well? No, ESPN's coverage of this is is
absolutely and a lot of the national media like we
don't really live Thank God for radio. But We don't
really live in a world where the headlines are all
different anymore. Right, everybody keeps the same talking points. Politically,
there's one side or another. In sports, there's just one side.
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And the talking point was what after Game one the
Nuggets won? Yeah, sure, but the Lakers made great adjustment,
you know, And I said that on Your Guys show.
And after Game two the Nuggets won, the Nuggets coach
sided that and said something about putting it in a
pipe and smoking it now that they.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
Were up to nothing.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
And then the Lakers go down three to zero to
a shocked crowd at Staples Center or whatever, crypto, and
now the narrative turns to what they're going to be
the first team ever to come back from three like
people in the media were saying that, like people that
know better were looking into a camera and saying that.
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And then the Lakers get swept and what do we
talk about? Lebron's gonna retire, which is asinine and not
gonna happen, just something for attention for the offseason, something
to garner headlines, meaningless stuff. And every single game, the
intros were all about Lebron. All the cold opens, the teases,
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all Lebron. Every time the Lakers lost, they didn't shoot
the Nuggets on the floor, they shot Lebron walking off
the floor. And then of course they barely covered the
Nuggets championship in the Western Conference. They're talking about Lebron
being retired, which is stupid. So, I mean, it's a
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really hard charade or masquerade to be part of or cover.
I get it, he's one of the great players in
the history of the NBA. But if I'm in Denver,
I to be disgusted, I would I would suggest T
and T get the finals this year and do some
kind of power move and refuse to play because I mean,
and look at the You got Mark Jackson call in
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the action who deliberately left, it seems, left Jokich office
thing and then had to apologize and all this crap.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
No excuse for that, honestly.
Speaker 9 (43:01):
And then Lisa Salters, the sideline person who from the
A crew, said that she'd never seen Jocis play on
the radio a couple weeks ago, and that she was
texting her friends like Wow, this guy's pretty good. Like
that's okay for like a college football analyst like me,
Like wow, check out this serbian meathead. You know that's
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but you're on the a crew of the ESPN, like
you have the Finals. You're covering this guy, the best
player in the world in the NBA Finals. You can't
say on some idiot show the other day, well, I
haven't really seen him. Like that's bad. If I'm in Denver.
I'm livid with the way this whole thing has been
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handled by the national media because all they want to
do is grip Lebron's puzzo, and I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
He puzzo, grip a Petros and LeVar.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Before we say goodbye to the old pe here, just
wanted to, you know, remember the great USC athletic director,
the old bone A Reno.
Speaker 9 (44:05):
Oh yeah, I remember when they came out and everybody
was like Easy Eye found out harmony rap group from Cleveland, and.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Do you remember their first song, LeVar was about the
food stamp check.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
The first.
Speaker 8 (44:43):
Oh no, that's rights ruggers.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Ball you got boom boom, boom boom. There was some
harmonizing rappers.
Speaker 9 (44:56):
Boy, I could see Mike bone right now and like
an Impala driving down Crunch on the Black Strip with
Winter Store loces on. Yeah, big old Oh and and
like a and and a sweet flannel buttoned all the
way up to.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
The top, and one of those knockoff ten dollars one
of those knockoff ten dollars liquor store hats to just.
Speaker 8 (45:19):
Say l A.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
It's not actually identified of its Dodgers or Lakers, it
just says ls l A.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Yeah, he's listening. It's the ball.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
You don't given up.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Those terrible Fox Sports nighttime shows.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
At the beginning of f S one, one of our
one of the guests on the panel was Crazy Bone,
or one of the Bones, and he drank like a
half bottle of Hennessy before we went on, and he
went on.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
He was like.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Like, we'll be right back. F S one late now, Crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Right back, everybody.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
How long are we going to be able to make
fun of Bone now that he's gone?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Not Uncle Charles, the most famous uncle there is in
the rap culture.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
No, Snoop, Snoop's uncle, he's no longer with us, but Snoop.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
Oh oh, Nate Dogg, Well remember Nate dog Well yeah,
but Nate Dogg the singer. Every other city we go,
every other video, but everywhere I go, I see the same.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, oh my Gosh, Warren, g warreng g Warre and.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
G on the show. He came on with Nate Dogg.
But who's uncle See, I'm saying, well, I'm assuming somebody's.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Snoop's uncle, but I forget his name. I don't know that.
We do know Charles, but we ain't never seen Uncle Charles.
Speaker 9 (46:59):
But we know Uncle are.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
He's in the video.
Speaker 8 (47:05):
That he's one of the spirits, meaning you.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
At that he's one of the people in the sky.
Remember did all that they did him?
Speaker 4 (47:10):
He was on the porch. They came and got him.
Oh that's right, they came and got chilling on the porch.
He just touched his head. Bloom, he rolled out.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
I remember that?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
That's what happened to bone Bodo?
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Petros always fine at the old p on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Guy.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Lakers and nine come on, yeah, let's run it back.
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Hi, you got one, buddy?
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
His team? Got one?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
LaVar?
Speaker 5 (00:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What the Golden Knights?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Yea, the Green Knights. Yeah, you know the Green Knights.
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Big Vegas, Golden Knights. Guy, I mean, listen to Boston. Finally,
all took was Miami to be favorite. Next thing, you know,
the Celtics came out and actually didn't fold when they
were down a deficit at some point during that game.
So it's kind of odd considering they were such overwhelming
favorites going into the series and yet they're just trying
to take these moral victories, like well, when they got
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down nine or ten, at least they didn't collapse.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's I mean, you were calling for Joe's head.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was not calling for his job.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I mean you brought up him getting fired.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
That was a real possibility and is still a real
possibility depending on how this series finishes out.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's always a possibility.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Yeah, It's just more of the fact that it wasn't
really a talking point, but you felt like that was
a talking point.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
I guess there's been a lot of speculation that Joe
Maszuoli has there.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yes, and I don't for any of your speculation.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I don't reroof for anybody to lose their job. I
never called for jobs. It just wouldn't surprise me if
they went in that direction.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
But yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Calling for Joe Mazuol's job.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Listen. I don't recall it per like you know, per se,
but I will say I will say this was a
year where you thought that Jalen and and and Tatum
would take this team to another level. You know, could
they could they conquer the seventy six ers, Could they
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win in a division that has the Milwaukee Bucks. I
don't think anybody was really paying attention all that closely
to Miami. And it's interesting because Miami is one of
those teams they'll climb up on you, and you know,
they're a grappling type of team. They're they're gritty, they're tough.
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They do so many different things so well that you
just might not expect they hit you in your mouth
so quickly. By the time you figured out you've been punched,
in your mouth. They got to lead on you. Now,
can they overcome a three, you know, three game deficit
and now they have one? Can they so can they
overcome the two games and get it back to an
even series? You know, I don't know, but I really
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think that with the type of team that they have
and what what the expectation of Boston is if if
they don't, if they don't do better than what they're
doing right now. I I'm not gonna say I'm I
don't think that Jonahs has some something there. I think
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that they may get another coach.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Well, we talked about the fact that first off, he
was not supposed to supposed to be the head coach
to begin truth, and so it's it's maybe it gets
a little bit of a grain assault with To go
along with that, you also have to think about the
fact Brad Stevens put him in this position, probably because
you know, he still can control a lot of the
things Joe Missoula does. You know, given is an experience
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and all that you go and bring in a Mike
Butenholtzer or Monty Williams, whoever else you want to throw
in the category, you might not get that, you know,
this is a guy that you could probably have, you know,
a little more involvement in how things are run and
what goes on.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
And help shape him as a coach.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
Whereas you bring in a coach he's got success elsewhere,
different experiences, You're gonna have to deal with some of
that and you might have to compromise. So I do
wonder how Brad Stevens and the rest of the front
office in Boston factors into the decision to move on.
When I mean, look again, Boston won last night. I'm
more bringing it up to joke. I mean, we don't
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have to have a serious conversary.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
The point is there are potential other candidates out there
they could look at. I think what's more interesting about
it is the fact we've never seen a team come
back from a three to zero deficit in the NBA Finals,
and the Boston Celtics they're channeling the two thousand and
four Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm not sure if you.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Saw some of the stuff out there, but there is
the slogan don't let us win tonight is what the
Celtics were kind of using as motivation going.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Into last night's game.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, I mean he don't let the win win last
night because they're going to rip off at four in
a row to go turn the series.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You had attendance, Derek Jeter, was there a lot of
celebrities in South Florida. Brooks Koepka looks like he's been
on a four day bender and it just is being
wheeled around on a gurney to whatever sporting events going
on in South Florida. He looks banged up in a
half man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He's a PDS.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They can sort of run, he looks.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
You guys don't follow like golf, but Phil podcast yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, I don't don't care about golf. Golft it that's what.
That's what that podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
From the from the Rough with Lebar and jonas the thing.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You guys don't know. There's actually a spots that we're
talking to right now.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So anyway, Oh, I really love golf. Let me tell
you something about I love being on the greens.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I don't think I don't think you're'll be doing the
live reasons.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Yeah, So Michleson came out and made a comment after
Kopka one obviously wins a major and basically touting that
this is why the Live Tours what's best for professional
golfers because they can go enjoy their lives and they
can go make a lot of money and they can
prepare or have more time to prepare for majors. And honestly,
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like if Brooks kept, it goes on the PGA Tour,
he'd be He's supposed to be in Dallas this week.
You know, they have the Charles Schwap Challenge, and they
got the Memorial term of the following week. Then that
they've got the the Open after that or the US
Open after that. It's it's like, you know, he's not wrong.
I mean, these guys are allowed to then go around
and kind of parade and have fun because they play
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less golf, they play less events, they're making more money.
I mean, there's a lot of truth to what Nicholson
has kind of said in regards.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
The whole Live Tour and PGA Tour, and.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Hence why Brooks kept, because it's going on this victory
lap if you will around South Florida.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, first, and I would like to defend again, I'd
like to defend Lebar and I hear now I have
I have well listen to.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Don't worry. No one's bringing you guys into to sell.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
This joking or are you Sometimes I just don't know
between the two of you'll joking.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Here's why trying to be serious, because there's seriousness to
what I said.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
So, so I have a US Open twenty sixteen hat,
like one of those like Tom Kite hats from back
in the day he used to wear on the PGA tour.
And it's from Oakmont in Pennsylvania with LeVar. You know this,
it's about twenty minutes outside downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania there, so
in there you know, a little US Open twenty sixteen throwback.
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I mean, so I know what I'm talking about here.
When it comes to golf and broke Ko looks banged.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
All the way up.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
He need an ivy. Yes he wanted him rejuvenating that
ives that's all.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
But celebrate all you want the guy put on.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
He's going to be getting an ivy court side like
the next time would be fun time.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Fine. I'd probably offer them in Miami.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Though, speaking of a speaking of getting banged up, Jimmy Butler,
Jimmy Buckets after the game, you know you would think
they lose that game by seventeen, and Boston kind of
pulled away late and ran away with it, and really
the three ball was the story of the game, and
also Boston's defense, which decided to show back up in
game four the series with Jimmy Butler afterwards talked with
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the media about what's next for the Miami Heat and
apparently Brooks Kopka.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Is kind of rubbing off on some of the members
of the Heat there.
Speaker 9 (08:10):
Jimmy, it's only one loss, obviously, but is there any
concern on your part that this could start to build
momentum on the Boston side of things.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
No, if anything, it'll build momentum for us, knowing that
we have to play with a lot more energy and
you know, we got to play like our backs are
against the wall. But I think all year long we've
been better and to do things our way.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
After a game like this, how do you personally kind
of avoid from getting too low yourself.
Speaker 10 (08:37):
Stay consistent, do the same thing that I do that
we do after every game. We're gonna listen to some music,
you know, We're gonna drink some beers back there.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I'm going to go have some wine.
Speaker 10 (08:47):
I don't think that you could just focus on basketball
all the time. You have to be able to, you know,
get away from the game a little bit, think about it.
But at the end of the day, you fall back
on you know, your habits, how and you're gonna be
and myself and my teammates, we're gonna do the same thing.
We're gonna smile, We're gonna be in this thing together.
It's like we always are, and we're gonna go get
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one on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Just confidence, man, that Miami confidence.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Throw back a couple of throat bombs, just you know,
talk about what happened and then move on to the rest.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
They're like, you know, talking about Jimmy Butler's like pregame
routine and get all fired up. They're like, yeah, man,
sometimes he listening to mint Is Cyrus back there, Hey,
I already Peever, They're like, it's Rick Ross to the
next game.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
He's like he's all over the place.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
He's like, we want to mess with him because he
gets them fired up no matter what he's listening to.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Very confident though. I mean, they're gonna go get one
on the road and then you know, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I think money right now, I mean, you got one
more game. You got one more game that where you
can be entirely positive, like this game, this next game,
you can be entirely positive because if they win, they
still only have two wins in the series. Now, while
that might be stressful and it might have an impact
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and a bearing on how you interview after they won
a two straight games. The the idea of thinking that
a team a team can run off four straight I mean, we.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Did just see two sweeps take place.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
But against the Miami Heat team, the concept of running
four games now running three games, I just don't that's
highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely. It's unlikely.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
But the one thing Boston has going for themselves is
two of the next three are in Boston, so you know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
They've they've really they've really.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Got to just hold home court. And then they've got
to steal game six in Miami, which they just stolen
in Miami. So I mean, it's it's definitely doesn't seem
like based on how the first three games went, bost
someone have a shot. But this is Jonas's childhood teeth
and I'm gonna be a good teammate on our show,
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and so I'm gonna try to give some positive vibes
to Jonas to pick him up a little bit.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
I've got some positive vibes for one Braden Quinn and
one Lavarro Arrington. Okay, we've got ourselves in talking about
the Boston Celtics. What would you guys say, are hearing
Jimmy Butler's comments, how positive they are, They're gonna get
on the liverloob post game listen to some Waylon Jennings
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or Conway Twitter or whatever they listen to in the
locker room there. What do you think? What do you
believe the betting line is for Game five of this.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Series back in Boston on Thursday night?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
If you had the Celtics minus four?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
All right, LeVar, what's your guess?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
All right? Well, my lad you have probably say, don't know,
I don't give a down.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Is that your Irish accent? I please do that again?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
This is my Irish accents, Brady, especially when I've had
one or two long ailids. It's amazing, my letty. Uh
So we're saying it in points.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, like what do you think the spread is? Like?
Who do you think is favored?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And by how much?
Speaker 8 (12:28):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I would probably say the Boston Celtics are favored by
at least.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Six six Really, Brady just said four. Interesting.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
The betting line for Game five at TD Bank North
Boston Garden or whatever the hell they're calling it nowadays
is the Boston Celtics minus seven and a half. Oh,
friends of DraftKings.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Wow, I mean say the first off, Jonas you like
question that when LeVar I said him he was almost
dead off.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was trying to throw him off a little bit,
trying to get him to uh, you.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Know, why would you do that to your teammate? Especially
why you do that?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
My lad? Yeah, all we have to do is just
sit down at the bar and have a pop put two.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
But yeah, so still the Celtics, for us inexplicable reason,
continue to be pretty heavy favorites. Uh, you know in
most of these games in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Speaking of can we go to Ireland for the Notre
Dame game?
Speaker 7 (13:31):
I know it's you know, it's it's outside your realm there, LeVar,
But that is not outside of my realm.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Did you see?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
There's there's gonna be it's it's gonna be the largest
group coming from the United States to an international event.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Ever, I want to go.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
I've told you one thousand people going to Dublin, Ireland
over thirty nine thousand.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I get to do that with.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Q like, come on, I'm there, I said, I go,
so that's.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Going to talk to Scott and don Man. We're trying
to make it app Scott and done.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
What else would be in the kick going going to
So the London games in the NFL don't dry anywhere
close to that as far as fans going over because Jack.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I mean, I would think like maybe an Olympic event,
you know, especially if it was you're talking about Paris
or somewhere like that, you get a big intentionent from
the United States.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Or a World Cup thirty over thirty nine thousands.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
That's a lot of I mean, their economy is going
to get a nice little little kick, yeah, little boost.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I saw that.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
I like kept looking at my because that I'm like wow.
And then I was thinking to myself, well, if we
don't have things booked by now, it's gonna be tough
to find a place to stay.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
When we get that's true.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I mean it's not like it's not like Ireland is
that heavily populated, and for those who visited there, you know,
Dublin obviously is a big city, but then you really
got to go across the country to places like Galway
or some of the other spots before you get more
densely populated areas.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
It's a lot of open space.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
I mean we at this point, we could be staying
out on a farm with like like I don't know,
literally like in a barn with with some goats.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
At that that's all I need.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Would they have a barn called Orchids of Asia and
one of those places, I don't.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Think that's what they where They're milk of the cows.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't think that's what they're meaning.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Where Who's next?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Oh, just go over there to that barn right there, Letty,
it's called Orchids of Asia.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Oh it is?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Uh yeah, I mean, like if we were to pull that.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Off, I'll definitely go.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
By the way, I know LeVar is in because I
feel like he likes traveling like that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Jonas so suspect so suspect.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
On that I'd be at. We we could find one pub.
We don't have to go pub crawling or hopping. We
find one and hang out and sing and do it
every single day.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
By the way, I have I have seen Navy in
person before when they took on Hawaii at at the
Great Aloha Stadium, which is being ripped down in like
twenty minutes or something like that. But so I have
seen Navy play before, so listen, let's make this happen.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That'd be fun. Well, Navy, notice, I.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Can already tell you right now, Jonas's excuse and Lee
Duck is catch astray. He's gonna say, I have to
stay back with Lee because Lee and Ireland is just
a bad competition.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I mean, and I'm certain that they would start a
go fundme fun to get Todd over there exactly with
his double sided Lightsabery.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Let me tell you something right now, you guys, keep
this up. Not only where I go. I'll take Navy
plus twenty one right now in draft cans.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Oh, I'll piss off the line already out people, Yeah,
the line's already out.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Line is out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
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Speaker 6 (17:03):
You guys, ready for the NFL to go ahead and
start making some major changes.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Sure, all right, So they lost my hubcap.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
So NFL owners approved the new fair catch rule in
the NFL in which basically, if you decide to fair
catch it in between anywhere before the twenty four point
nine yard line, you're just gonna go ahead and get
the ball at the twenty five yard line. So they
already do this in college football. But the idea, and
this was talked about yesterday, is again they want to
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improve player safety, and they feel like this move, which
they're calling a quote unquote trial run only for one year,
this move, they feel like, is going to reduce the
number of concussions by fifteen percent because it's going to
entice players to maybe not bring the ball out if
it's kicked short, just take it on the twenty five
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and then move on with your lives. And it just
feels like this is another step in the direction of
the walls closing in and them trying to get rid
of one of the most exciting plays in football that
we've seen a lot of exciting players be a part
of and have major impacts on games in their careers,
whether it be Devin Hester or Brian Mitchell, you name it,
and yet here we are the NFL is trying to
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eliminate it all for the sake of player safety.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Do we know the percentage on amounts of like in
terms of you said the percentage going down by fifteen percent.
I would be curious as to how many how many concussions,
cause you know, my major concussions when I got them
were on special teams. I wonder what the percentage of
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special teams concussions are to the entire hole. Okay, it's
probably been receiving receivers getting hit defenseless or considered to
be defenseless, or targeting or whatever it may be. And
then it would have to be special teams, And I
wonder would actually be the It's.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Kickoff is number one.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I believe it's the most dangerous play, which is one
of the reasons why they're trying to make this change,
even though it's to the disliking of most special teams
coaches that are in the NFL. One of the reasons
is they the way they go about kicking the mortar kicks.
So they'll kick it basically with a bunch of air
because a lot of these kickers are strong enough to
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be able to kick it out of the end zone.
But now they'll kick it with enough air to try
to get that ball caught somewhere between the goal line
and the five, and then they can cover down enough
so now they're not getting the ball, you know, out
at the twenty five, they're gonna get the fifteen to
twenty something like that. You know, that's kind of become
more of the style that you've seen attempted in college
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and then probably a little better executed at times even
in the NFL. And that's the thing is you're probably
gonna get more of that because and LaVar, you know,
this like an extra ten five yards. It may not
seem like a lot to the people on the outside,
but that's the difference between you have to stop an
additional for down, Like that's the difference between a team
potentially going forward on fourth down and a defense having
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to face you know, four down territory verse three down
and being able to get off the field.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And those numbers add up obviously over the course of
a game and of the course of a season.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
And that's why I think there's some people who are
like that this is you know, taking it a step,
maybe a little bit too far, even though it's in
the best interest of player safety. So look, they're not
gonna get rid of the kickoff because otherwise, like what
the hell you're gonna call the game or the start
of the game. It's it's kind of been the most
like ceremonial thing ever that just it just it's too
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it's too much part of the game right time. Kick
If you didn't have the kickoff, That's what I'm saying,
is like I don't know, I can't picture in my
mind what it would look like because you have this big,
like you know, the crowd getting intense, getting excited, the
guy's sway, and the kicker puts his hand up, he gets.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Ready to go, and it's just there's this whole like
moment of time where you're like, that's the beginning of it.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
It's part of the vernacular. Hey what times kickoff? Now,
we're just gonna get that.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
But it's more about even just being there and the
feeling of it, Like it's almost like literally a shotgun
started at a track race, Like that's the start, Like
you know, that's the moment when you hear that ball
literally being kicked and the entire crowd's like it's just
it's a feel to it. If you took that away,
I think it killed the live game experience. It'd be
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those awkward thing.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Ever, Yeah, I mean, it would probably feel like a
scrimmage for some reason. I mean, would people adapt and
adjust if they did adjust it out of the game.
I'm certain that the fan base would adapt and adjust.
But to a purest I do think that that would
be a difficult It would be difficult adjusting and adapting
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to not having a kickoff. But I don't know, man,
it just seems like that is It definitely is a
dangerous part of the sport. Is definitely a part of
the sport that you could say if if you found
ways to minimize it or even not do it, you're
you're you're basically preserving the health of a lot of guys,
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you know. I don't know. It's just it's such them
guys are moving so fast and they're hitting so hard.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
You know, I don't I'll tell you what. I'll tell
you why it's not already out of the game. Because
how many starteris do you actually have on special teams?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Not many?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You know, usually your core special teams guys are the
ones that are set up in your L four L
five R four L A R five. Those are the
guys who are set up to make the tackle, make
the play, and and it's those core special teams guys
that are backups on defense and offense are the ones
that are are typically the ones that are out there
playing special teams and getting hurt, you know, if you
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had Like again, we see all sorts of rule changes
to protect quarterbacks because people tend to think, well, hey,
these are the face of the franchise, face of the league.
However you want to do it, so you know, they've
cot you know, callous times, I mean changed rules to
help protect the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This isn't as much of a sense.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Of urgency because it's not that important of a position
in the minds of the rules makers.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
I mean, at what point do you just accept the
fact that it's a violent game and like there's going
to be stuff that you there's nothing you can do
about it.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
In today's society, that's not it's not that's not that simple.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Can we make football like like kind of separate from
today's say, it's.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
A good point because why do we view like miss
mixed martial arts, So we're not putting in safeguards necessarily
for that, yet we we do for football, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So you should then begin to take martial arts classes then,
because then you know, you would know martial arts better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Great point, that's true, Yeah, that's true. I just I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
I look at it, and to Brady's point, like that's
the signal of the start of a game. Did the site,
the excitement, everything that comes along with it, the buzz,
and then it's and now we're gonna you know, it's
it's like the guy from the office who gets moved
down or what's office space that movie he was in Milton.
He gets moved down to the bottom and they just
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keep sort of closing the walls in. Finally they just
get to the point to where it's like, dude, you
no longer have a job here.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's over. Like it just feels like that's where the
NFL is trying.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
To get this instead of trying to eliminate the play
all together with you know, an advantage on the fair catch.
You go out to twenty five, you know they've they've
changed the way you know, punts are that play in
particular has been you know played even kickoff formations. I
would wonder if they would ever look at trying to
space out players more in like a kickoff formation, to
(24:49):
help reduce the amount of space in between both teams,
because because that's part of it too, is when you've
got a lot of space guys building up speed and
running towards each other, it's just a big collision. And
so I wonder if there's a more creative way of
trying to, you know, allow more kickoffs, but not necessarily
allowing to be quite as much space between them when
they're doing this.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They did that, what what what league was that they
did it in? Was that the USFL?
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Or maybe and I'm sure you'll continue to see experiments
done in both the XFL and USFL as almost experimental leagues,
or even even in the preseason, you know, you might
see some of that.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I get to ask you guys this, well, yeah, how
did they identify who was going to be the wedge breaker?
Was it the guy that seemed like he had a
little something wrong with him?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And they said was the breaker my freshman year? Okay
makes five? The hash the hash guys, the wedgebuster.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It was the guy who had no neck. They're like, hey,
get that guy. It looks like he's a walking around
like a battery.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
He has no he has no fear. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So Davis Mills with his thermost neck would never be
the wedge breaker that.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Was his neck.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
If he wanted to really get a shorter neck, he'd
have to go be the wayge breaker back in the
old days.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He would lose like eight inches.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Off his deck.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You have a normal neck by by By, three seasons
into his career.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Being a wedge breaker would be a trip watching a
quarterback run down the hat.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
All of a sudden, you see Davis Mills racing at
the Kentucky Derby. You're just, hey, what happened to you?
I played wedge By the way, we do have an update.
We have a wedge breaker on the show.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Let's go live to lead to laugh who claims he
was a wedge breaker.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Oh, I was a wedge breaker in the middle of
the wedge. Yeah, and they made me put on a
horse collar because I'd always knocked myself out for hurt
my neck.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
This is explaining a lot of things. What high school
is this?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Lee Notre Dame high school?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, that's right, baby, Yeah, have you talked about these
stories with Todd. Was Todd's like, dude, no way I
was a wedge breaker?
Speaker 8 (26:47):
No way Todd played.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did Todd say, hey, Lee, you think you could put
those football pants again one more time? Or put that
cowboy collar on again with no jersey only when we're camping?
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, Todd, I think I played, you know, flag football.
I don't think he ever played real football.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He seems like he might have been a wedgebuster too.
I mean, I don't know, Lee.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
How are you feeling now? Do you do you still
wake up some days and have like fear of the
fear of just breaking up the wedge. Do you ever
wish you could go back and do it again?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Absolutely, no fear.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
No, Just like LeVar said, you kind of had to.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Just God, that's amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
How many times do you knock yourself out countless? Like
like what are we saying here?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Like five?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Six?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I mean once a once.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I'll say that, Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Give me your mindset was your running downfield if you
can remember.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
I know it's been a while, but give me your
mindset where you just like biting your mouth like, oh,
I'm gonna create destruction.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
If there's any fear it's that if you don't go
full speed you will get hurt.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So you yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
You just have to go as freaking fast as you can.
And it was always and it was yeah, it was
actually really fast. And it was always the biggest guy.
I was not big at all, but it was always
against the biggest guy on the opposite team. They'd always
be cackling before the game looking over at me, and
then by the end of the.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Game about knocking them out or did you get knocked out?
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We'd like knock each other out. Usually we usually go
down to one you hit each other and you just
stop and go down to one knee and then stare
at each other and then I usually get death at
the end of the game.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Do you guys ask each other while you were on
one knee if you can cuss each other? Like or
you can cussed? No?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think you just know right. You just look at
each other.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Guy just looked at each other like yeah I can cuss, dude.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I always got respect from the from the opposite guy,
the biggest guy on the team by the end of.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
The By the way, the NFL is saving this and
using this is there, why are we adjusting the kickoff rules,
and they're using all of these answers right now as
he knocked himself out once.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Everything we missed what Lee said. He wasn't just a
wedge buster. He was part of the wedge right.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
So the other so give me respective on that side
is you were watch of this dude fly out at you.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Uh yeah, you kind of you definitely kind of measure
each other up. You kind of get a little nervous,
but again you kind of just gotta flip that switch
and just know you got to go full speed otherwise
you're gonna get knocked out.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
I remember when my brother played at Morpark College. It
was junior college, and they were actually a pretty good team,
and one of his buddies, like his dear friend, his
role was he was the wedge breaker. And we watched
him in a game go down and hit a group
of guys on the kickoff and get absolutely disintegrated. And
he was so buzzed that he came to the sideline
(29:37):
and said, does that count as a pancake? Because he
got pancaked. He had no idea of really what had happened,
and you just think about all and that's at the
junior college level. I can't even imagine at the pro
level what those collisions look like. From the sideline I
had an NFL game, I can't even imagine just the
car wrecks every single time.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
So geezily, I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean, it does explain a lot.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
But big drops to you, buddy, Hey, big props to you.
Every single wedgebuster and guy knew that was a part
of that. I always had the utmost respect for. I
remember one of our backup offensive linemen, Lenny Friedman. He
he was a backup center, super super smart guy. I
love talking to him just about football, business, everything else.
But he also seeing him get geared up to go
(30:23):
out there to be a part of the wedge, like
you knew exactly what was going through his brain, like
this is potentially detrimental to my long term health. But
he was his toughest nails and he'd go out there
and he'd go out there trying to blow someone up.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
So it's a doggy dog world. They're playing on special teams.
That's sure.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Was the meat wagon a wedge breaker.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't recall going back.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I just I would define him as a thumper, like
was he was our hardest hitting linebacker we had, and
he had no problem whatsoever inflicting pain on other people.
Like you know, like some guys like when they are
hard hitters, they'll like help the dude up or something.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
They kind of know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Jake's the typed out would have would have just walked
right over a dude, laid him out and just walked
a hand or something.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, he wouldn't extend anything.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
He was just literally doctor dude out and then walk
right over top of him and like make sure you
let it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Let him know man.
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Petros Rovin AGAs the co host of the Petros and
Money Show, which you can hear on the Blowtorch AM
five to seventy LA Sports. He's a Fox College football analyst. Petros.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
Good morning, Hello, Hello to everybody.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
A little behind the scenes here, we heard from some
good sources that Petros was dying to talk about Lebron's decision.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Oh, I need to break it down, but another decision.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
But Petros, we need to start here because we've had
several days to get some inside intel and trying to
figure out what's going on. But we got to know
the very latest on the boner. Come on, you know
about what happened with the what happened with Mike Bone
at USC. Petros, you really don't you really don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
I don't know what happened. You were on the air
with me when it happened.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, but you've been doing some digging.
Speaker 8 (32:53):
Come on, you're the guy.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Well, the La Times came out and kind of said
that he was an HR nightmare and that he seemed
to be an HR nightmare in Cincinnati that USC didn't vet.
But you'd have to think that a couple creepy back
massages didn't get this guy fired. And then you wonder
(33:15):
what it is to get this guy fired because his
firing is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Is it not?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, but it was on a Friday, nobody noticed, wells.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
USC petros, we kind of come to expect it of late.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Well, that's kind of the thing.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
I mean, that's the bar was so low that us
USC types were just were just encouraged that they hired
a guy who'd been an.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Athletic director before.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Seriously, he was an athletic director at Colorado and Cincinnati before,
and it felt like a safer hire. And the new president,
who they vetted hard from North Carolina apparently vetted him hard.
And they had a search firm, which is supposed to
exonerate you and take all the bullets for you if
(34:00):
you make the wrong decision. But us he hired a
search firm to hire Clay Helton years ago. And I
don't understand why you need a search firm to hire
somebody that's already on your staff. So they've done this before,
and it's a terrible error, and it makes me feel
(34:20):
it makes me feel disheartened. I think it's disheartening because
he must have done something pretty embarrassing or pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Really, find this guy we're the search for. He was
on their staff.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Is that what you're saying, Well, the Clay Helton was.
Speaker 9 (34:38):
Bone was at Cincinnati and then he had a guy
with him named Brandon Sozna.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
You guys cannot believe just the new.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Room massage these guys got from the LA media when
they came here and to see it all flip so
quickly and the LA Times actually sink this guy's ship
and then come out with more and more of a
developing stories.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
The weekend goes on about he said this, he did this.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
But even all that stuff seems a little tame for
the amount of embarrassment that this is to USC. This
is the new president, this is the new ad, This
is the new non good old boy network of USC.
And it didn't work. So Lincoln Riley's out there flapping
in the wind. You don't have an ad. You have
(35:28):
a president that people have lost faith in. No one
knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
It's it seems like maybe Saul's not given the job
he did while he was at USC, would maybe be
a guy that'd want to bring back.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Is that is that a possibility for a replacement?
Speaker 9 (35:43):
Well, I mean he's connected to all the stuff the
old boner Reno did or didn't do in Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
You know, he's seen all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (35:51):
He's totally connected to know, so, you know, and now
all of a sudden that the Bonero is no longer
persona grata at USC, you're starting to hear the whispers
of stuff that we said all along, Like they got
lucky with Lincoln Riley. They took a phone call.
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Late at night and Lincoln Riley came to them, and
this isn't that big of.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
A deal, and blah blah blah. One thing he did
do was hire a USC baseball coach that's having success,
and that's that's a big deal.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Was he a part of getting USC to the Big
ten and kind of securing more financial stability?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Is that one of his takeaways?
Speaker 8 (36:32):
No, I think the US he took a call from
Fox at a higher level than that.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
But maybe you know more than me. I mean, I'm
sure he had some part in it. What do you
mean you worked there too? Petros?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Where at Fox?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Where come?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
I've been invited to the Mountain West media Day, Okay,
not the way Vegas.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Yeah, I want the invite downtown Vegas. Yeah, I'll take
you down to Fremont Street, can show you a real
mountain one.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Don't take it to the peak.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Nothing little you get invited, nothing, you don't call games.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I just I would love to be in me.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I would love to be in the room when Petrous
meets with a search firm and they're like, we're recommending Clayhilton,
he's on your staff. I would love to see Petros's
reaction to that.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
How much were you?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
That's not even what and that's you know, all of
it is just I mean, Steve Sarkesian was hired by
Pat Hayden and Chris Peterson was poisoned by Pat Hayden
after an interview because USC wanted to hire the drinking buddy,
and then and then they were like, oh my god.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
We can't believe he drinks.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Like it's been you know, it's honestly, guys, with USC,
it's been so much over the years and so hard
to calculate because a lot of their embarrassments, and really
the more serious ones are not near the football field.
I mean, people just care about football, and that's a
big that's a big draw. But us he's had a
(38:09):
lot of problems in the last twenty years, basically because
of a bad university president named Max Nikias. A lot
of terrible things have happened. And I don't know if
you guys can relate with this with Penn State or
Notre Dame or Jonas with one thousand Oaks High School.
I'm just I'm too close. I'm too close to it
(38:29):
now after all this stuff that's happened, and it's kind
of hard for me to make sense of it anymore.
Speaker 8 (38:34):
I can't see the forest for the trees.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
I start thinking about Mike Bone, and I get visions
of Josh Shaw jumping out of his window to avoid
the police, saying that he saved his nephew from drowning.
I think about Pete Carroll, and then I get visions
of Steve Sarkisian doing updowns after a drunken episode with
Cody Kessler, the quarterback, overseeing him as a player. I
(39:01):
just it's really homeless, guys. Yeah, that happened under the
Old Bone Arena, you know. I think about Mike Garrett
and then I think about that homeless guy returning punts
like Mike Garrett did back in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Petros I got a quick question for you, though, does
what happened to Clay Hilton's golf simulator?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Did the bum take it with him or did?
Speaker 8 (39:20):
I would imagine it's still there, Okay, I don't know,
I haven't.
Speaker 9 (39:24):
Like you know, it's so funny, like how much money
college football programs make today because they are building. They
just built this other USC facility and now they're making
plans to build another one for just for Lincoln Riley
a special taj Mahal to his offensive ability and ability.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
To lose to twu Lane so for Utah, you know,
twice double up. So no, So we'll see.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Can we get to Lebron do whatever you want? You
guys asked about the bone you know that.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Was doing from it's been The Lakers have been described.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
To you at the grassroads. I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Sorry, have been described as the greatest UH team to
get swept in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Is that.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I mean?
Speaker 9 (40:36):
Are they Well? No, ESPN's coverage of this is is
absolutely and a lot of the national media like we
don't really live Thank God for radio. But We don't
really live in a world where the headlines are all
different anymore. Right, everybody keeps the same talking points. Politically,
there's one side or another. In sports, there's just one side.
(41:00):
And the talking point was what after Game one the
Nuggets won? Yeah, sure, but the Lakers made great adjustment,
you know, And I said that on Your Guys show.
And after Game two the Nuggets won, the Nuggets coach
sided that and said something about putting it in a
pipe and smoking it now that they.
Speaker 8 (41:23):
Were up to nothing.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
And then the Lakers go down three to zero to
a shocked crowd at Staples Center or whatever, crypto, and
now the narrative turns to what they're going to be
the first team ever to come back from three like
people in the media were saying that, like people that
know better were looking into a camera and saying that.
(41:46):
And then the Lakers get swept and what do we
talk about? Lebron's gonna retire, which is asinine and not
gonna happen, just something for attention for the offseason, something
to garner headlines, meaningless stuff. And every single game, the
intros were all about Lebron. All the cold opens, the teases,
(42:10):
all Lebron. Every time the Lakers lost, they didn't shoot
the Nuggets on the floor, they shot Lebron walking off
the floor. And then of course they barely covered the
Nuggets championship in the Western Conference. They're talking about Lebron
being retired, which is stupid. So, I mean, it's a
(42:31):
really hard charade or masquerade to be part of or cover.
I get it, he's one of the great players in
the history of the NBA. But if I'm in Denver,
I to be disgusted, I would I would suggest T
and T get the finals this year and do some
kind of power move and refuse to play because I mean,
and look at the You got Mark Jackson call in
(42:52):
the action who deliberately left, it seems, left Jokich office
thing and then had to apologize and all this crap.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
No excuse for that, honestly.
Speaker 9 (43:01):
And then Lisa Salters, the sideline person who from the
A crew, said that she'd never seen Jocis play on
the radio a couple weeks ago, and that she was
texting her friends like Wow, this guy's pretty good. Like
that's okay for like a college football analyst like me,
Like wow, check out this serbian meathead. You know that's
(43:21):
but you're on the a crew of the ESPN, like
you have the Finals. You're covering this guy, the best
player in the world in the NBA Finals. You can't
say on some idiot show the other day, well, I
haven't really seen him. Like that's bad. If I'm in Denver.
I'm livid with the way this whole thing has been
(43:42):
handled by the national media because all they want to
do is grip Lebron's puzzo, and I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
He puzzo, grip a Petros and LeVar.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Before we say goodbye to the old pe here, just
wanted to, you know, remember the great USC athletic director,
the old bone A Reno.
Speaker 9 (44:05):
Oh yeah, I remember when they came out and everybody
was like Easy Eye found out harmony rap group from Cleveland, and.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Do you remember their first song, LeVar was about the
food stamp check.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
The first.
Speaker 8 (44:43):
Oh no, that's rights ruggers.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Ball you got boom boom, boom boom. There was some
harmonizing rappers.
Speaker 9 (44:56):
Boy, I could see Mike bone right now and like
an Impala driving down Crunch on the Black Strip with
Winter Store loces on. Yeah, big old Oh and and
like a and and a sweet flannel buttoned all the
way up to.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
The top, and one of those knockoff ten dollars one
of those knockoff ten dollars liquor store hats to just.
Speaker 8 (45:19):
Say l A.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
It's not actually identified of its Dodgers or Lakers, it
just says ls l A.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Yeah, he's listening. It's the ball.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
You don't given up.
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Those terrible Fox Sports nighttime shows.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
At the beginning of f S one, one of our
one of the guests on the panel was Crazy Bone,
or one of the Bones, and he drank like a
half bottle of Hennessy before we went on, and he
went on.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
He was like.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Like, we'll be right back. F S one late now, Crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Right back, everybody.
Speaker 8 (46:11):
How long are we going to be able to make
fun of Bone now that he's gone?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Not Uncle Charles, the most famous uncle there is in
the rap culture.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
No, Snoop, Snoop's uncle, he's no longer with us, but Snoop.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
Oh oh, Nate Dogg, Well remember Nate dog Well yeah,
but Nate Dogg the singer. Every other city we go,
every other video, but everywhere I go, I see the same.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, oh my Gosh, Warren, g warreng g Warre and.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
G on the show. He came on with Nate Dogg.
But who's uncle See, I'm saying, well, I'm assuming somebody's.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Snoop's uncle, but I forget his name. I don't know that.
We do know Charles, but we ain't never seen Uncle Charles.
Speaker 9 (46:59):
But we know Uncle are.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
He's in the video.
Speaker 8 (47:05):
That he's one of the spirits, meaning you.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
At that he's one of the people in the sky.
Remember did all that they did him?
Speaker 4 (47:10):
He was on the porch. They came and got him.
Oh that's right, they came and got chilling on the porch.
He just touched his head. Bloom, he rolled out.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
I remember that?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
That's what happened to bone Bodo?
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Petros always fine at the old p on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Guy.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Lakers and nine come on, yeah, let's run it back.
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