May 27, 2023 • 40 mins
LaVar Arrington, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and Plaxico Burress talk about the Arizona Cardinals releasing WR DeAndre Hopkins, Jameson Williams excuse for violating the NFL’s gambling rules, Josh McDaniels says that Davante Adams has the right to vent his frustrations with the team, and Jon Gruden helps the Saints install a Derek Carr offense!
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We'll talk about best destinations for the topic. We'll open
the show with for one receiver that well isn't where
he was a season ago, and we'll talk about another
receiver from the NFL place for the lines wasn't aware
of a gambling policy. This would be pretty interesting conversation
because well, we have two receivers obviously that are on
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this show, and I'm curious as to what they think
about the whole gambling situation. All right, let's get started.
Cardinals they released DeAndre Hopkins. They're going to take a
twenty two million dollar cap hit this year. Before we
jump into that, I just want to make sure I
ask my guys, you know, how how y'all doing this Saturday?
(02:46):
Man TJ Plex, How y'all feeling today? Man, y'all good,
y'all good to go? Oh yeah, we're good.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know out here, LaVar, I don't know what's been
going on with this weather man Phil the East Coast man. Yeah,
I didn't move out here for this. I'll tell you
that it's not cold, but it's just it's just dreary looking. Yeah,
it's very dreary.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It is what it is. You know, skuys ain't been
too clear asm.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
No, no, have not the have nots. It's kind of
crazy to getting some real weather, so to speak. I
don't want to call that real weather. Don't pay I
don't pay the taxes that I pay out here. They
say you pay the sunshine tax out here.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, well, you know what, they.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Need to give me a discount. I need a discount
on a sunshine tax.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Mother Nature ain't paying you no attention nobody else. She
gonna do what she want to do. She gonna do
what you want to do. I got I got a
letter for her, you know what I mean, text message?
I hit her on her I g whatever. See what
she got her address? We can figure out all right.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So, speaking of weather changing, DeAndre Hopkins is going to
have a change of scenery. Uh, getting released by the
Cardinals twenty two million dollar cap hit. As I mentioned
where you got surprised. I was thinking trade for sure.
It's a big win for DeAndre Hopkins because he gets
his money from from the Arizona Cardinals and he's going
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to find a new home. So what was your guys'
first reaction to the news of d hop getting getting released?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
For me, I wasn't surprised. You knew there was rumblins.
He didn't want to be there. He says the best
quarterbacks that he would like to play for. He doesn't
name his own quarterback. And you got to realize what
And it's crazy how the league works. When you're a
player and you get to thirty. When they start talking
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about the things you're saying and doing more than the
way you're playing, that's not a good sign. And he'll
be fine. He's still one of the best receivers in
the league. But it's telling that nobody was willing to
give up a late round draft pick because they didn't
want to pay him twenty million dollar year, just under
twenty million, And if that's what he's looking for and
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no team was willing to give up that in the trade,
it's not looking good.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
But I was not surprised.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
The Cardinals look like now we rebuilding or are they
tanking for Caleb Williams or Drake may or whomever it
may be. Because Kyler Murray he won't play till late
in the season. But yeah, it's gonna be very interesting
to see where Hopkins can land the Bills. If he
goes to Buffalo, he'd be the two behind Stefan Diggs.
If he goes to Kansas City, he'd be the two
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behind Travis Kelsey, but he'd be the number one receiver,
And so to me, those two are the most logical
and realistic spots. But for him, he needs to get
with a quarterback that can get him the ball, because
if he's not in those situations and he begins to
complain again and may beginning the end of his career.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I mean, just like you said, TJ, it wasn't a
surprise to me at all because everything that he's been
saying over the past few weeks and the last month
being basically saying that you know, he didn't want it
to be on the Arizona roster anymore. But you know what,
there are a lot of players in this league that
are making, you know, twenty million dollars a year. Is
he a twenty million dollar a year player moving forward
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at thirty? Some say yes, some say no. But I'm
just looking at some of the destinations that that could
really help boosting offense in the offensive team right right
off the bat, I'm thinking the New York Jets. I mean,
teaming him up with with Aaron Rodgers, being that you know,
Deandred is not as explosive as he used to be,
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so I think accuracy in some of those things is
going to a pivotal part in some of his success.
And you know, also, you know Baltimore, teaming him up
with OLDBJ down down with Lamar Jackson, the New York
Giants need a wide receiver. Trust me, we do for
just somebody that can go up and peat with the football.
I think he's still a great player, but you know,
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moving forward over that thirty I just think that you know,
he's going to be one of those players where he's
going to go out and have success. He's going to
be consistent. He's a natural ball catcher. He can get open.
So it's just all about, you know, putting them on,
putting them in the right piece to the puzzle to
make that offense go. And I think him saying all
the things that he has been saying, him not wanting
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to be a part of the Arizona Cardins, I think
it's just you know, slapping the face to Kyla Murray
and what he thinks about him and not thinking that
he's a franchise quarterback that can help them contend to
win the division or get for a championship. Teacher, you're
already talking about the Cardinals tanking to get Caleb Williams.
I mean, this man is a has two hundred and
thirty million dollar contract and now everybody's talking about he's
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not the guy. One year removed, two years removed, from
getting that contract. He won't play later on in the season.
But I just don't see how the Arizona Cardinals are
going to be any better offensively without DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It seems like it's a it's definitely a prepare for
the next season move, prepare for the opportunity to get
Caleb Williams or or another top for what's the other quarterback?
From there you go, Drake yeah, Drake may. It's what
seems like to me, they're they're they're gearing up to
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move on from Kyler Murray. They're they're gearing up to
build for the future. From all things I've heard, the
team likes Ganning, they like his presence, they like his energy.
It seems as though he's holding people personally accountable for
what what they're they're saying, and what they do, what
the actions are. It sounds like Arizona has needed to
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have a culture shock of culture development of sorts, and
and I believe that this is the start of that process.
UH One one one destination that I'm not really hearing about.
I've heard Baltimore, I've heard Miami as as as a possibility,
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which I think that that's uh an interesting an interesting
landing place for working.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Well that's why I've read, I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Too many guys that would want and need the ball
that that would not end well, well.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know one one place and you guys, you guys
tell me, I did say I heard Baltimore. What about Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I mean to me, would not be a good move
to it now, and unless the relationship prior to or
previous to now was maybe a contentious one between DeAndre
and Deshaun. But I mean, don't they need don't they
need a legitimate weapon in Cleveland as well?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah they do. But you look at there at thirty
years Cooper. No, no, no, I'm saying they have a
Marii Cooper. Go ahead, plax sh they have Mark Cooper.
But you're thirty years old.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You're looking you're trying to put yourself in a situation
to where you want to be able to contend for
a world championship. And I don't think Cleveland is anywhere
close to that right now, because you know, you probably
have what two or three more years of prime football
that you're going to be able to go out and
compete and be a good player. So Cleveland no more
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so if you want to stand in the good weather.
The LA Chargers is a good move, maybe even the
Las Vegas Raiders. But at thirty you want to go
somewhere where quarterback can get you the football. I'm not
saying that Deshaun Watson can't. What I'm saying is that
they are not in the position right now for the
next two or three years to be able to compete
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for a world championship.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, it's not only that. At the AFC is so
many good teams.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Now we would assume that Shaun Watson will be a
quarter a better quarterback, which will make the Cleveland Browns
a better team. But we got to understand, DeAndre Hopkins
has been the go to guy on every team he's
been on every season of his career. These teams we
are naming, uh specifically Buffalo and maybe even Cleveland, would
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he be that? Would he be Number one? People think, oh,
just coming in learning an offense, Oh, it's so easy,
you got it. It's it's not as easy as people think.
You'll learn the offense. But little nuances, little audibles. I'll
never forget man playing with the Ravens and I had
learned offense. It was like, oh, this is not bad.
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And then we went into some two minute mode greatness
and they had and they were just one word plays
and I'm like, what is this? It was the formation
to play every napcount.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I'm like, I don't know what none of this is
San Francisco right up.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And it was an entire play and I'm like, is
this on the secret playbook? Like there was things that
I didn't get to fully understand until middle of the season,
And so it kind of restricts you. The sooner he
can get to a team, the better, but he has
to be careful.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And also from an ego standpoint, is he willing to
go to a team to take the back seat and
not be a one and go somewhere maybe to be
a two, but to also be in an offense that
he will help bolster and compete for a world championship.
I mean, is he willing to take the back seat
to a number one top? Seemed like he a solid dude, man,
I met him one time. I mean, he seems like
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he's solid.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've made him actually a few times, chopped it up
with him, and he is seeing like a huge Do
you know when you start doing this type of talking
about which quarterbacks you want to play with and who's
the best, and your quarterback is not on that list.
These coaches, these front office people, they don't want divisive
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guys on the team that are past thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
He's the quarterback. The difference, and we all know it's
a difference. Well, it'll be interesting to see where d
hoppens up. He's still, like we said, he's still an
elite receiver. He was coming off of that injury this
past season. Should be good to go. Keep in mind,
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I do believe he does have a suspension that he
has to serve as or was that this year?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Maybe that was this that was last season, Yeah, that
was last year. We didn't even bring that up, LeVar. Yeah,
last year six games suspension for PDS. A year prior
he missed quite a few games because of an injury.
So the last two years he hadn't even been available
for the full season.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, that is that is worth mentioning. I wish
him well, I wish him luck.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I'm a fan of d hop Yeah, no doubt and
and and well, well you know, we'll take a quick
break right here, and on the other side of the break,
we'll talk about another receiver. He got caught up into
a little bit of a gambling situation, says he didn't
understand the policy. Well, I'm curious to hear what TJ
and Plex has to say about that. You're listening to
(14:15):
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Lions receiver. He was just at OTA practice the Thursday.
The receiver spoke publicly to you know, to the to
the media for the first time after being handed a
six game suspension, the suspension doing part to gambling on
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a non NFL game while at a team facility. Now,
I would like to pose the question if you are
a part of an NFL team and you have you
have bet on something that is non NFL related, like say,
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plets you see a game between Michigan and Michigan State
or you know, Penn State and when we whoop y'all
in and uh, you know the neutral site y'all wanted
in East Lansing.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I hate planning at East Lansing, so I wouldn't want
my teammates to play there against your old team. So
I'm excited for that. If you were in a locker
room and you saw this game and you placed a
bet TJ, You're in your or wherever you're at in
the world, You're in Cincinnati, and you see that your
Beavers are going to take on the Ducts, and you
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just feel really confident that your Beavers are going to
mow them down like the piece of wood that they
would be to a beaver, and make a damn for
the beaver damn, you know. And I just I'm curious
as to even though I would assume that each each
organization has plenty of conversations about policy and rules and play,
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is it right that you can't place a bet on
your alma mater and your alma maters team or even
college as long as it's non NFL related. Is it
right to govern guys gambling on athletics on sports?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I don't Just my opinion on it, obviously is as
long as it's not the NFL, what's the problem, what's
the problem, Why is there a problem? And why is
it that you just get suspended for X amount of
games and the Union can do or say anything about this.
(18:12):
Why is that a problem? You didn't bet on NFL games.
You bet on and they didn't say what it was,
but we would assume it was. Let's just assume it
was Ohio State games. Let's just say that's what it was.
Because of what is going on now with gambling being
legal in so many different states and you can now
just hop on your phone in place a bet as
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long as it isn't NFL games because we are NF
or they are NFL players. I don't understand the problem.
But what I will say is this, every Wednesday, every
coach of every team, I'm almost certain early in the season,
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once this gambling thing became an issue, drove that home
to his team in that meeting.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
At least the teams are multiple times.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well, Marvin Lewis would get up there on Wednesday and
just go through stuff constantly.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so I'm sure if I wanted to have a gambler, guys,
i'd have LeVar Arrington here.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Leavar ain't gonna never let that go get at all.
Good good, But it's just one of those things where, yeah,
it suck. For Jamison Williams, it was a lesson learned,
But I just don't understand why you get to spending
six games if it had nothing to do with the
National Football League. Again, all these guys, I'm sure we're
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told this is what you can and cannot do. But
is it just making a bet on a device from
the stadium, because plenty of guys make bets on NFL
grounds with each other, and so could it just not
be an e electronic receipt so to speak, because we
all made bets in the locker room constant. If they
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did that, then you ain't got no games to play.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, man, it just.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Really it's kind of confusing when you know Jamis went Jamis,
and Williams said he didn't know or understand the betting
policies as far as the NFL is concerned. Just like
we said a few I was a month or so
ago that every team has the NFL PA or spokes
spokesperson coming before the season and tell you the new
rules and regulations for that season.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Old bass, you're a punt of that half ninety nine
percent of the players are not listening at all.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
So the information has been bought forward and and and
spoken to you, but maybe you weren't listening or maybe
you didn't understand. But what I don't like about this
whole situation is that you can place a bet on
a non football you know, a game or whatever the
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case may be. But if you do it in your
car on the way home, it's perfectly fine. But you
just can't do it on a training facility or in
the locker room or whatever the case may be. You
just can't do it on the NFL grounds, And you
can't even do it ride on the bus going to
the airport, which is beyond me. But this needs to
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be more clarity about what they can and cannot do.
That you can't bet on a game in a hotel
stand the night before the game, but it's perfectly fine
if you're in your car. Go out to your car
and make the bet in the parking lot, and it's
the same you know, ramifications of getting suspended and not
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knowing what is going to happen to you. So I
would just say, man, listen, if you're going to gamble
on games, if you play for the Las Vegas Raiders,
just go across the street and place the bet, because
you can't make it within the facility, which makes zero sense.
And just if you're going to gamble on your phone
or place bets, just do it at home or from
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a non NFL you knowization can I.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Give a can I give an option here? Like?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Because I discussed this the other day, you know, Chris
Carter talked that length about having a fall guy for
trouble when you when you get the drama coming your way,
which is at this point, I almost feel like drama
for a player is played out, even though you know
we still see it taking place.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why can't you have a guy place your bats? Like?
Is it that important to you that you directly do
the bat like? Is it that like? Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Because to me, if it's that important, then there's a
bigger issue. If you ask me if you're if you're
casually gambling, you know, I'll be like, you know what
e you know, tell my little brother or tell my
older brother. He pooh, you know, go go go put
this put this amount on this game for me, Like,
why would that to me? And listen the It was
(23:01):
in a recent piece, a ESPN piece that the NFL
Vice President General Manager of Sports Betting, David Highill, explained
the process.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And here's here's a little of what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He said, the education and the training the players receive
is different than what NFL club staff received, which is
different than what officials get. High Hell wrote, we are
very explicit in the training to explain that if you
are involved with the NFL, you can never bet on
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the NFL. There should be no misunderstanding on the policies.
He added, Now that sounds confusing to me because if
I gambled, if I placed a bet on something that
was non NFL related, then why am I being Why
am I being.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Disciplined for it?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So where he comes out makes a statement like that,
maybe it's an incomplete statement and in the article, but
my whole thing is you're you're making great money playing
a kid's game. There's no reason for you to jeopardize yourself.
You know how big gambling is as a conversation and
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how it's being governed and monitored. I don't care how
little the bet is. I don't care if you bet
five dollars, twenty dollars, two thousand dollars. Why not just
say okay, screenshot your bat and say here's what I
want you to do, Like place that bet for me
and thank you very much, appreciate you, love.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You, talk to you out to practice whatever, like just
don't do it, like honestly, if the amount of money
guys make, unless you're a big time gambler, there's no
amount that you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Win where you're gonna be like, man, I won it
was worth that six game.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, So like bet dudes on a team, We're don't
do it this, gods, just do it for fun really,
to be honest with you, but Vegas is Vegas for
a reason. You're gonna lose more than you win and
just keep your paper. We all know, man, certain guys
get away with things. They just as soon as Jamison
(25:09):
Williams got spent as probably five sixcept make guys like
they ain't.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Get me yet. You're doing this. It won't be the
last one, No, it will not.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
As we sitting here continue to have this conversations on
multiple occasions, it will.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not be ready to get suspended the whole year and
here we go again. It's like you would think guys
would learn. And yes he was betting on NFL games
and it's different, but still you're making bets and what
are you sitting in the locker room looking at lines
like oh yeah, let me bet on this game. You
couldn't do that prior. You can't do it when you
get home after a practice or whatever it is. And
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when did he make these bets because he wasn't even playing,
Like is he even in these meetings because he's doing
his rehab last year when this was taking place. So
there's just so many different things that have a gray
area that we just don't know about.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I just I just think in the end, it's not
like you said, it's just not it's just not worth
it to to be a part of something that puls
you into a scenario in a situation where it can
cost you your ability to be able to generate money.
Like I just I think it's just very in my estimation,
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it's it shows a level of immaturity.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It shows a level of not not owning up to awareness.
Man yeah, man not.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You definitely gotta be owning up to what what your
your job is and what you're doing and what your
opportunity is and be aware of the fact that even
if I don't know all of the specifics of what
it is that may be governing some of these rules
I'm gonna stay away from that, you know, I'm gonna
stay away from that, like anything. Like I sat in
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those meetings and it was the most boringest stuff that
you'd ever deal with, sitting in those meetings where they
tell you all these rules, whether it be the new
rules of how they make it easier on receivers and
offensive players for the for the game, for the upcoming
season more.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Or really or or if it's the pocket, Wow, really
we took it. We took out of every position of
the football. Ye to say, what a mother rogers.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
We sit in the back so wide receivers come man,
or we're sitting there listen to the talk about all
these god dang rules and and all, you know, even
and and I'll be honest with you, I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And I focused in on the benefits, benefits conversations and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Really really deeply.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But even then its just it's like it's a mix up,
Like it's a it's a brain scrambler because you're in
training camp.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's always training.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Camp business, and your your mind, like you got to
take into consideration for any of those people that may
be sitting there acting as though like guys are ignorant
and they should have known and you get ample opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah you do. But you know what, guys are worrying
about making a roster.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Guys are worrying about not falling asleep because they're tired.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
God, I mean. And that's not to make that's not
to make excuses. That is very real.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like integrating those type of large downloads of information of
what the rules are and what's available and what isn't
you know, you would say the responsible thing is is
to follow up because there's no way you're going to
retain all that information in one sitting, in one meeting.
(28:41):
But at the same time, right is right and wrong
is wrong. You should know that if it's in doubt,
if it's in question, don't do it. Just don't do it.
And as far as gambling, it's so easy to just
give it to somebody that you love, Like, give it
to somebody that you love, let them place your bet,
and from there like done. Like they can't govern that,
(29:03):
the league can't govern that, and nobody else can govern that.
Don't have your name attached associated not your cell phone,
don't have no apps on your cell phone, like, have
somebody else do it for you, and nobody could say
anything to you.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Done.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Moving on anyway, speaking and moving on, let's move on
to our man, Isaac Loewencron before we change topics and
go to something else.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
What you got iloed.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Whise advice LeVar, Because as I always say.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You've got to have a fall guy.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Indeed, that's right. Today's double as LeVar is actually my
fall guy.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Make for some awkward moments today's mess. Okay, hey, hey,
if it's all right with you, it's definitely a right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I know the rules, That's what you got to know.
Got I know the rules so that means I can
manipulate them a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
You dig Hey, Hey, I'm I'm all for it. I
think we form a formidable duo that way. Speaking of formidable,
today's Major League Baseball action gets underway at Yankee Stadium.
At the top of the hour is the A host
the San Diego Padres. Tonight. First up at eight pm Eastern,
it's Game five at the NHL's Western Conference Finals, with
the Vegas Golden Knights leading the Dallas Stars three games
(30:09):
to one. Then at eight thirty Eastern, Game six of
the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals, from Miami, the Heat leading
the Boston Celtics three games to two. Now, the Heat
says that guard Gabe Vincent was a partial participant at
shoot around today. Vincent did not play in Game five
because of a spring left ankle. He's officially listed as
questionable for game six. Finally, guys, there's been a new
(30:32):
development in a bizarre story in which an Internet sleuth
claimed that NBA referee Eric Lewis was using a burner
account to defend himself against critics on Twitter. Veteran NBA
reporter Mark Stein even tweeted that the NBA had opened
an official review into the situation. However, last night, the
(30:54):
alleged burner account posted, and I quote, this is Mark
Lewis right, family, older brother. I'm sorry that I put
E in this situation, but this ain't Watergate unquote. And
with that, fellas back to you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Ain't Watergate. Huh you have a fall guy, that's right, Well,
that's right, he got a fall. Guys like I don't
know who to believe. Uh So, Josh McDaniel seems to
be DeVante Adams fall guy. He's come out and basically
said that he understands uh and and and that Davante
(31:33):
has the right to vent his frustrations. You know, Jimmy
G had the surgery before signing with with the Vegas team.
Obviously he lost car uh and and so now go ahead,
I believe you had the surgery after he signed with
the Raiders. No, he had it before, He had it before,
because if you Jimmy G. No, he had it after
(31:56):
he signed the d Yes, after about and the Raiders
knew about it before they signed him.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yes, is that how it worked? Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah, he had he had the surgery after he signed
the contract, and the Raiders knew that he needed surgery
before they signed him, and they still signed.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, you know, you're right there. Now there was was
that last year? Was that last year where he got
the surgery on what was it? On his shoulder? And
then it didn't allow for them to trade It didn't
allow for San Fran to trade him. I thought that
was this year.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Last year he was coming off shoulder surgery. This year
he had foot surgery after he signed with the Raiders, right, okay,
after he signed the country. My apologies, my apologies for twisting,
which makes zero sense.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I just don't understand how if you're an organization and
you're looking for a franchise quarterback, you go out and
sign a guy that you know has a foot injury,
that knees surgery before you signed the contract. These team doctors,
they do it. They perform physicals on every athlete that
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is going it is going to another team before they
sign a contract. And I just don't understand how a
team doctor can pass a guy for a big contract
before a big contract and a team still signs them.
That does not happen. I don't understand what is going on.
But if you're a wide receiver or whatever, the or
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cornerback or linebacker and they know that you need a
foot surgery before you sign a contract, ten out of
ten times that team is not going to that team
is not going.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
To pass you on a physical to sign that contrast,
quarter you just spoke of the d hop and then
Aaron Rodgers does it. He's a quarterback, Jimmy, he's a quarterback.
They just get away with things that other players can't
because every the Raiders right now are basically Jimmy g
or bust. We know this for a fact. He's gonna
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miss games during the season. History has shown us that
how many, we don't know. But he's not playing in
a full season. Now you have this surgery. Who's the
backup Brian Hoyer. So let's hope that when he misses,
Brian Hoyer can win games. Because you've gone all in
with Jimmy G. And that's what Davontae Adams is speaking of,
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like what are we doing? Like we went all in
with a quarterback that's not always available and then this
is our backup. We didn't even keep Stidham that hit
up the best defense in the league for like four
hundred yards passing, And so I don't know when Jimmy
G will be back. Yes, he'll be back before the season,
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but as I said earlier, history is shown he not
playing a full season. And so that's the frustration with
Devonte Adams. Josh McDaniels wants Jimmy G because he had
him in New England, albeit many many years ago.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
This I don't see it ending well.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
To be honest with you, you can't rely on I'm
a guy who's not available on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
And you're the Las Vegas Raiders. You get rid of
Darren Rawley to trade him to the New York Giants,
and make no mistake about it. When DeVante Adams left
Green Bay, he went to the Las Vegas Raiders to
play with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And that was his understanding going forward.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
He even said, listen, I have a better chance to
win the World Championship with the Las Vegas Raiders than
the Green Bay Packers right now, which I didn't believe.
But he went to the Raiders to play with his
homeboy that he played with in college, and now you
oust them after his first year. Devin has what fifteen
hundred yards, twelve touchdowns, whatever the case may be, had
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a great season. You can't put all the blame on
Derek Carr for what happened with the radio season because
the first five or six games they lost by are
combining like twelve points.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, yeah, they were winning those games. Yeah, they were
losing games by two point or two, like, oh, you
can't pick up pick comebacks like meltdowns basically yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And you can't sit here and tell me that Jimmy
g is a tremendous upgrade from what Derek Carr was
on that offense. You can't make that justification to me,
especially knowing that the guy needs foot surgery, so you
might as well just stick with Derek Carr and hopefully
you can put out some of those games that you
(36:23):
had those meltdowns and you lose about one or two
points and now you're a whole different team in the
AFC West. But the plug in Jimmy g and you
just think all your problem is going to be fixed.
I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's Plexico Burrs, otherwise known as Stretch Armstrong.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's a TJ.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Huschman Zada alongside him, known as a panteen Man. You know,
so they have superpowers. I'm LaVar Arrington and I just
like to spectator and see what color the wall is
going to be when they get done.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
All right, we're.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Gonna take a quick break. And on the other side
of the break, John Grutin, you'd be interested to know
he made it visit to the Big Easy. Why did
he make that visit?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And what for?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And is uh our superhero duro? Are they okay with
what's taking place? I'm curious to hear about it. I'm
sure you will be as well. Take a quick respite.
We're going to take a quick break and on the
other side, we're going to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
This is up on game. We'll be right back. Uh
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh yeah, uh uh uh.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Welcome back. That's right up on game. We're live from
tyraq dot com studio. Listen, guys, your boy John Gruden,
he's back.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
He's made.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
He's made return to the National Football League, not as
a head coach, but to the New Orleans Saints facility
to help install the new offense that will be ran
in New Orleans next season. If you're current and up
on everything that is taking place and go on, not everything,
(38:06):
but a lot of the things that take place in
the NFL, you know that John Gruden was Derek Carr's
coach in in Vegas. So now he ends up going
into the Saints facility and he's helping car once again
offensive coaching staff under Dennis Allen. It's interesting that this
(38:31):
would take place.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Now. I take a tab bit of a different.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Angle on this news coming out knowing that you know,
John Grutin does have a lawsuit against the National Football
League and he was seemingly a scapegoat in the mess
of everything that was taking place with Dan Snyder and Washington, DC.
(38:56):
Are you guys okay with just you know what what
we know about the emails and what was stated by
John Gruden. A lot of players don't think that John
Gruton is racist or or has said things that he
thinks that they were misinterpreted.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What's your take? I know we don't have a little
bit of time, but what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Are you guys? I don't have a problem with it.
I don't know John Gruden. I've met him obviously playing
against him, but I don't know John Gruden. So to
say he's this or that, I can't do that because
I don't personally know him. I know he's a hell
of a football coach, is a great offensive mine. He
coached Derek Carr. The Saints feel like he can help him.
They called him, he went in and hopefully he helped them.
(39:38):
But all the other stuff, his time in the NFL
is done. Once you start sewing the league, it's very rare.
That get very no. No Because I say rare because
Brian Fleur is a sewing the league and he's he's
still AFL.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's why I say rare. But that's totally different. TJ.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
We're talked about some of these language that this man
using is in these emails. You ain't got to know
him personally or not, but when you speak of things
of that nature, and it seems like everybody that is
supporting him are his former players.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
That's true, but right right is wrong, is wrong.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Just like a LaVar said earlier, he should not be
able to walking to an NFL facility and install nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So I totally disagree with it.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
There seems to be a double standard with coaches, quarterbacks,
whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
We know that that's and it's just that's nothing new,
and it's it's.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Just a slap in the face to all these things
he had to say, and he shouldn't be allowed in all.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Right, Well you've heard it here first. Maybe he should,
Maybe he should. I don't know, but I do know.
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We got a whole lot of topics to get to today.
(02:03):
We'll talk about best destinations for the topic. We'll open
the show with for one receiver that well isn't where
he was a season ago, and we'll talk about another
receiver from the NFL place for the lines wasn't aware
of a gambling policy. This would be pretty interesting conversation
because well, we have two receivers obviously that are on
(02:25):
this show, and I'm curious as to what they think
about the whole gambling situation. All right, let's get started.
Cardinals they released DeAndre Hopkins. They're going to take a
twenty two million dollar cap hit this year. Before we
jump into that, I just want to make sure I
ask my guys, you know, how how y'all doing this Saturday?
(02:46):
Man TJ Plex, How y'all feeling today? Man, y'all good,
y'all good to go? Oh yeah, we're good.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know out here, LaVar, I don't know what's been
going on with this weather man Phil the East Coast man. Yeah,
I didn't move out here for this. I'll tell you
that it's not cold, but it's just it's just dreary looking. Yeah,
it's very dreary.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It is what it is. You know, skuys ain't been
too clear asm.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
No, no, have not the have nots. It's kind of
crazy to getting some real weather, so to speak. I
don't want to call that real weather. Don't pay I
don't pay the taxes that I pay out here. They
say you pay the sunshine tax out here.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, well, you know what, they.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Need to give me a discount. I need a discount
on a sunshine tax.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Mother Nature ain't paying you no attention nobody else. She
gonna do what she want to do. She gonna do
what you want to do. I got I got a
letter for her, you know what I mean, text message?
I hit her on her I g whatever. See what
she got her address? We can figure out all right.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
So, speaking of weather changing, DeAndre Hopkins is going to
have a change of scenery. Uh, getting released by the
Cardinals twenty two million dollar cap hit. As I mentioned
where you got surprised. I was thinking trade for sure.
It's a big win for DeAndre Hopkins because he gets
his money from from the Arizona Cardinals and he's going
(04:11):
to find a new home. So what was your guys'
first reaction to the news of d hop getting getting released?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
For me, I wasn't surprised. You knew there was rumblins.
He didn't want to be there. He says the best
quarterbacks that he would like to play for. He doesn't
name his own quarterback. And you got to realize what
And it's crazy how the league works. When you're a
player and you get to thirty. When they start talking
(04:42):
about the things you're saying and doing more than the
way you're playing, that's not a good sign. And he'll
be fine. He's still one of the best receivers in
the league. But it's telling that nobody was willing to
give up a late round draft pick because they didn't
want to pay him twenty million dollar year, just under
twenty million, And if that's what he's looking for and
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no team was willing to give up that in the trade,
it's not looking good.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
But I was not surprised.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
The Cardinals look like now we rebuilding or are they
tanking for Caleb Williams or Drake may or whomever it
may be. Because Kyler Murray he won't play till late
in the season. But yeah, it's gonna be very interesting
to see where Hopkins can land the Bills. If he
goes to Buffalo, he'd be the two behind Stefan Diggs.
If he goes to Kansas City, he'd be the two
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behind Travis Kelsey, but he'd be the number one receiver,
And so to me, those two are the most logical
and realistic spots. But for him, he needs to get
with a quarterback that can get him the ball, because
if he's not in those situations and he begins to
complain again and may beginning the end of his career.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I mean, just like you said, TJ, it wasn't a
surprise to me at all because everything that he's been
saying over the past few weeks and the last month
being basically saying that you know, he didn't want it
to be on the Arizona roster anymore. But you know what,
there are a lot of players in this league that
are making, you know, twenty million dollars a year. Is
he a twenty million dollar a year player moving forward
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at thirty? Some say yes, some say no. But I'm
just looking at some of the destinations that that could
really help boosting offense in the offensive team right right
off the bat, I'm thinking the New York Jets. I mean,
teaming him up with with Aaron Rodgers, being that you know,
Deandred is not as explosive as he used to be,
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so I think accuracy in some of those things is
going to a pivotal part in some of his success.
And you know, also, you know Baltimore, teaming him up
with OLDBJ down down with Lamar Jackson, the New York
Giants need a wide receiver. Trust me, we do for
just somebody that can go up and peat with the football.
I think he's still a great player, but you know,
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moving forward over that thirty I just think that you know,
he's going to be one of those players where he's
going to go out and have success. He's going to
be consistent. He's a natural ball catcher. He can get open.
So it's just all about, you know, putting them on,
putting them in the right piece to the puzzle to
make that offense go. And I think him saying all
the things that he has been saying, him not wanting
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to be a part of the Arizona Cardins, I think
it's just you know, slapping the face to Kyla Murray
and what he thinks about him and not thinking that
he's a franchise quarterback that can help them contend to
win the division or get for a championship. Teacher, you're
already talking about the Cardinals tanking to get Caleb Williams.
I mean, this man is a has two hundred and
thirty million dollar contract and now everybody's talking about he's
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not the guy. One year removed, two years removed, from
getting that contract. He won't play later on in the season.
But I just don't see how the Arizona Cardinals are
going to be any better offensively without DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
It seems like it's a it's definitely a prepare for
the next season move, prepare for the opportunity to get
Caleb Williams or or another top for what's the other quarterback?
From there you go, Drake yeah, Drake may. It's what
seems like to me, they're they're they're gearing up to
(08:19):
move on from Kyler Murray. They're they're gearing up to
build for the future. From all things I've heard, the
team likes Ganning, they like his presence, they like his energy.
It seems as though he's holding people personally accountable for
what what they're they're saying, and what they do, what
the actions are. It sounds like Arizona has needed to
(08:42):
have a culture shock of culture development of sorts, and
and I believe that this is the start of that process.
UH One one one destination that I'm not really hearing about.
I've heard Baltimore, I've heard Miami as as as a possibility,
(09:04):
which I think that that's uh an interesting an interesting
landing place for working.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Well that's why I've read, I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Too many guys that would want and need the ball
that that would not end well, well.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know one one place and you guys, you guys
tell me, I did say I heard Baltimore. What about Cleveland?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I mean to me, would not be a good move
to it now, and unless the relationship prior to or
previous to now was maybe a contentious one between DeAndre
and Deshaun. But I mean, don't they need don't they
need a legitimate weapon in Cleveland as well?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah they do. But you look at there at thirty
years Cooper. No, no, no, I'm saying they have a
Marii Cooper. Go ahead, plax sh they have Mark Cooper.
But you're thirty years old.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You're looking you're trying to put yourself in a situation
to where you want to be able to contend for
a world championship. And I don't think Cleveland is anywhere
close to that right now, because you know, you probably
have what two or three more years of prime football
that you're going to be able to go out and
compete and be a good player. So Cleveland no more
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so if you want to stand in the good weather.
The LA Chargers is a good move, maybe even the
Las Vegas Raiders. But at thirty you want to go
somewhere where quarterback can get you the football. I'm not
saying that Deshaun Watson can't. What I'm saying is that
they are not in the position right now for the
next two or three years to be able to compete
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for a world championship.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, it's not only that. At the AFC is so
many good teams.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Now we would assume that Shaun Watson will be a
quarter a better quarterback, which will make the Cleveland Browns
a better team. But we got to understand, DeAndre Hopkins
has been the go to guy on every team he's
been on every season of his career. These teams we
are naming, uh specifically Buffalo and maybe even Cleveland, would
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he be that? Would he be Number one? People think, oh,
just coming in learning an offense, Oh, it's so easy,
you got it. It's it's not as easy as people think.
You'll learn the offense. But little nuances, little audibles. I'll
never forget man playing with the Ravens and I had
learned offense. It was like, oh, this is not bad.
(11:42):
And then we went into some two minute mode greatness
and they had and they were just one word plays
and I'm like, what is this? It was the formation
to play every napcount.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I'm like, I don't know what none of this is
San Francisco right up.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And it was an entire play and I'm like, is
this on the secret playbook? Like there was things that
I didn't get to fully understand until middle of the season,
And so it kind of restricts you. The sooner he
can get to a team, the better, but he has
to be careful.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And also from an ego standpoint, is he willing to
go to a team to take the back seat and
not be a one and go somewhere maybe to be
a two, but to also be in an offense that
he will help bolster and compete for a world championship.
I mean, is he willing to take the back seat
to a number one top? Seemed like he a solid dude, man,
I met him one time. I mean, he seems like
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he's solid.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've made him actually a few times, chopped it up
with him, and he is seeing like a huge Do
you know when you start doing this type of talking
about which quarterbacks you want to play with and who's
the best, and your quarterback is not on that list.
These coaches, these front office people, they don't want divisive
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guys on the team that are past thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
He's the quarterback. The difference, and we all know it's
a difference. Well, it'll be interesting to see where d
hoppens up. He's still, like we said, he's still an
elite receiver. He was coming off of that injury this
past season. Should be good to go. Keep in mind,
(13:30):
I do believe he does have a suspension that he
has to serve as or was that this year?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Maybe that was this that was last season, Yeah, that
was last year. We didn't even bring that up, LeVar. Yeah,
last year six games suspension for PDS. A year prior
he missed quite a few games because of an injury.
So the last two years he hadn't even been available
for the full season.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, that is that is worth mentioning. I wish
him well, I wish him luck.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I'm a fan of d hop Yeah, no doubt and
and and well, well you know, we'll take a quick
break right here, and on the other side of the break,
we'll talk about another receiver. He got caught up into
a little bit of a gambling situation, says he didn't
understand the policy. Well, I'm curious to hear what TJ
and Plex has to say about that. You're listening to
(14:15):
Up on Game. I'm LeVar Arrington. Yeah, let's take a
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Speaker 4 (15:06):
Nice ice cold, all right, all right, all right, all right,
all right, all right, a right, al right, Welcome back
into Up on Game. YEP, We're live from the tyrack
dot com studio. You know who I am, you know
who they are. We know who we are. You got
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Lions receiver. He was just at OTA practice the Thursday.
The receiver spoke publicly to you know, to the to
the media for the first time after being handed a
six game suspension, the suspension doing part to gambling on
(16:13):
a non NFL game while at a team facility. Now,
I would like to pose the question if you are
a part of an NFL team and you have you
have bet on something that is non NFL related, like say,
(16:36):
plets you see a game between Michigan and Michigan State
or you know, Penn State and when we whoop y'all
in and uh, you know the neutral site y'all wanted
in East Lansing.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I hate planning at East Lansing, so I wouldn't want
my teammates to play there against your old team. So
I'm excited for that. If you were in a locker
room and you saw this game and you placed a
bet TJ, You're in your or wherever you're at in
the world, You're in Cincinnati, and you see that your
Beavers are going to take on the Ducts, and you
(17:08):
just feel really confident that your Beavers are going to
mow them down like the piece of wood that they
would be to a beaver, and make a damn for
the beaver damn, you know. And I just I'm curious
as to even though I would assume that each each
organization has plenty of conversations about policy and rules and play,
(17:33):
is it right that you can't place a bet on
your alma mater and your alma maters team or even
college as long as it's non NFL related. Is it
right to govern guys gambling on athletics on sports?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I don't Just my opinion on it, obviously is as
long as it's not the NFL, what's the problem, what's
the problem, Why is there a problem? And why is
it that you just get suspended for X amount of
games and the Union can do or say anything about this.
(18:12):
Why is that a problem? You didn't bet on NFL games.
You bet on and they didn't say what it was,
but we would assume it was. Let's just assume it
was Ohio State games. Let's just say that's what it was.
Because of what is going on now with gambling being
legal in so many different states and you can now
just hop on your phone in place a bet as
(18:35):
long as it isn't NFL games because we are NF
or they are NFL players. I don't understand the problem.
But what I will say is this, every Wednesday, every
coach of every team, I'm almost certain early in the season,
(18:55):
once this gambling thing became an issue, drove that home
to his team in that meeting.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
At least the teams are multiple times.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well, Marvin Lewis would get up there on Wednesday and
just go through stuff constantly.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so I'm sure if I wanted to have a gambler, guys,
i'd have LeVar Arrington here.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Leavar ain't gonna never let that go get at all.
Good good, But it's just one of those things where, yeah,
it suck. For Jamison Williams, it was a lesson learned,
But I just don't understand why you get to spending
six games if it had nothing to do with the
National Football League. Again, all these guys, I'm sure we're
(19:37):
told this is what you can and cannot do. But
is it just making a bet on a device from
the stadium, because plenty of guys make bets on NFL
grounds with each other, and so could it just not
be an e electronic receipt so to speak, because we
all made bets in the locker room constant. If they
(19:59):
did that, then you ain't got no games to play.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, man, it just.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Really it's kind of confusing when you know Jamis went Jamis,
and Williams said he didn't know or understand the betting
policies as far as the NFL is concerned. Just like
we said a few I was a month or so
ago that every team has the NFL PA or spokes
spokesperson coming before the season and tell you the new
rules and regulations for that season.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Old bass, you're a punt of that half ninety nine
percent of the players are not listening at all.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
So the information has been bought forward and and and
spoken to you, but maybe you weren't listening or maybe
you didn't understand. But what I don't like about this
whole situation is that you can place a bet on
a non football you know, a game or whatever the
(20:55):
case may be. But if you do it in your
car on the way home, it's perfectly fine. But you
just can't do it on a training facility or in
the locker room or whatever the case may be. You
just can't do it on the NFL grounds, And you
can't even do it ride on the bus going to
the airport, which is beyond me. But this needs to
(21:18):
be more clarity about what they can and cannot do.
That you can't bet on a game in a hotel
stand the night before the game, but it's perfectly fine
if you're in your car. Go out to your car
and make the bet in the parking lot, and it's
the same you know, ramifications of getting suspended and not
(21:40):
knowing what is going to happen to you. So I
would just say, man, listen, if you're going to gamble
on games, if you play for the Las Vegas Raiders,
just go across the street and place the bet, because
you can't make it within the facility, which makes zero sense.
And just if you're going to gamble on your phone
or place bets, just do it at home or from
(22:01):
a non NFL you knowization can I.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Give a can I give an option here? Like?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Because I discussed this the other day, you know, Chris
Carter talked that length about having a fall guy for
trouble when you when you get the drama coming your way,
which is at this point, I almost feel like drama
for a player is played out, even though you know
we still see it taking place.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why can't you have a guy place your bats? Like?
Is it that important to you that you directly do
the bat like? Is it that like? Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Because to me, if it's that important, then there's a
bigger issue. If you ask me if you're if you're
casually gambling, you know, I'll be like, you know what
e you know, tell my little brother or tell my
older brother. He pooh, you know, go go go put
this put this amount on this game for me, Like,
why would that to me? And listen the It was
(23:01):
in a recent piece, a ESPN piece that the NFL
Vice President General Manager of Sports Betting, David Highill, explained
the process.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And here's here's a little of what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He said, the education and the training the players receive
is different than what NFL club staff received, which is
different than what officials get. High Hell wrote, we are
very explicit in the training to explain that if you
are involved with the NFL, you can never bet on
(23:34):
the NFL. There should be no misunderstanding on the policies.
He added, Now that sounds confusing to me because if
I gambled, if I placed a bet on something that
was non NFL related, then why am I being Why
am I being.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Disciplined for it?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So where he comes out makes a statement like that,
maybe it's an incomplete statement and in the article, but
my whole thing is you're you're making great money playing
a kid's game. There's no reason for you to jeopardize yourself.
You know how big gambling is as a conversation and
(24:14):
how it's being governed and monitored. I don't care how
little the bet is. I don't care if you bet
five dollars, twenty dollars, two thousand dollars. Why not just
say okay, screenshot your bat and say here's what I
want you to do, Like place that bet for me
and thank you very much, appreciate you, love.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You, talk to you out to practice whatever, like just
don't do it, like honestly, if the amount of money
guys make, unless you're a big time gambler, there's no
amount that you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Win where you're gonna be like, man, I won it
was worth that six game.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, So like bet dudes on a team, We're don't
do it this, gods, just do it for fun really,
to be honest with you, but Vegas is Vegas for
a reason. You're gonna lose more than you win and
just keep your paper. We all know, man, certain guys
get away with things. They just as soon as Jamison
(25:09):
Williams got spent as probably five sixcept make guys like
they ain't.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Get me yet. You're doing this. It won't be the
last one, No, it will not.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
As we sitting here continue to have this conversations on
multiple occasions, it will.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not be ready to get suspended the whole year and
here we go again. It's like you would think guys
would learn. And yes he was betting on NFL games
and it's different, but still you're making bets and what
are you sitting in the locker room looking at lines
like oh yeah, let me bet on this game. You
couldn't do that prior. You can't do it when you
get home after a practice or whatever it is. And
(25:43):
when did he make these bets because he wasn't even playing,
Like is he even in these meetings because he's doing
his rehab last year when this was taking place. So
there's just so many different things that have a gray
area that we just don't know about.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I just I just think in the end, it's not
like you said, it's just not it's just not worth
it to to be a part of something that puls
you into a scenario in a situation where it can
cost you your ability to be able to generate money.
Like I just I think it's just very in my estimation,
(26:21):
it's it shows a level of immaturity.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It shows a level of not not owning up to awareness.
Man yeah, man not.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You definitely gotta be owning up to what what your
your job is and what you're doing and what your
opportunity is and be aware of the fact that even
if I don't know all of the specifics of what
it is that may be governing some of these rules
I'm gonna stay away from that, you know, I'm gonna
stay away from that, like anything. Like I sat in
(26:51):
those meetings and it was the most boringest stuff that
you'd ever deal with, sitting in those meetings where they
tell you all these rules, whether it be the new
rules of how they make it easier on receivers and
offensive players for the for the game, for the upcoming
season more.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Or really or or if it's the pocket, Wow, really
we took it. We took out of every position of
the football. Ye to say, what a mother rogers.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
We sit in the back so wide receivers come man,
or we're sitting there listen to the talk about all
these god dang rules and and all, you know, even
and and I'll be honest with you, I doubt it.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And I focused in on the benefits, benefits conversations and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Really really deeply.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But even then its just it's like it's a mix up,
Like it's a it's a brain scrambler because you're in
training camp.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's always training.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Camp business, and your your mind, like you got to
take into consideration for any of those people that may
be sitting there acting as though like guys are ignorant
and they should have known and you get ample opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah you do. But you know what, guys are worrying
about making a roster.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Guys are worrying about not falling asleep because they're tired.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
God, I mean. And that's not to make that's not
to make excuses. That is very real.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Like integrating those type of large downloads of information of
what the rules are and what's available and what isn't
you know, you would say the responsible thing is is
to follow up because there's no way you're going to
retain all that information in one sitting, in one meeting.
(28:41):
But at the same time, right is right and wrong
is wrong. You should know that if it's in doubt,
if it's in question, don't do it. Just don't do it.
And as far as gambling, it's so easy to just
give it to somebody that you love, Like, give it
to somebody that you love, let them place your bet,
and from there like done. Like they can't govern that,
(29:03):
the league can't govern that, and nobody else can govern that.
Don't have your name attached associated not your cell phone,
don't have no apps on your cell phone, like, have
somebody else do it for you, and nobody could say
anything to you.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Done.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Moving on anyway, speaking and moving on, let's move on
to our man, Isaac Loewencron before we change topics and
go to something else.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
What you got iloed.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Whise advice LeVar, Because as I always say.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You've got to have a fall guy.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Indeed, that's right. Today's double as LeVar is actually my
fall guy.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Make for some awkward moments today's mess. Okay, hey, hey,
if it's all right with you, it's definitely a right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I know the rules, That's what you got to know.
Got I know the rules so that means I can
manipulate them a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
You dig Hey, Hey, I'm I'm all for it. I
think we form a formidable duo that way. Speaking of formidable,
today's Major League Baseball action gets underway at Yankee Stadium.
At the top of the hour is the A host
the San Diego Padres. Tonight. First up at eight pm Eastern,
it's Game five at the NHL's Western Conference Finals, with
the Vegas Golden Knights leading the Dallas Stars three games
(30:09):
to one. Then at eight thirty Eastern, Game six of
the NBA's Eastern Conference Finals, from Miami, the Heat leading
the Boston Celtics three games to two. Now, the Heat
says that guard Gabe Vincent was a partial participant at
shoot around today. Vincent did not play in Game five
because of a spring left ankle. He's officially listed as
questionable for game six. Finally, guys, there's been a new
(30:32):
development in a bizarre story in which an Internet sleuth
claimed that NBA referee Eric Lewis was using a burner
account to defend himself against critics on Twitter. Veteran NBA
reporter Mark Stein even tweeted that the NBA had opened
an official review into the situation. However, last night, the
(30:54):
alleged burner account posted, and I quote, this is Mark
Lewis right, family, older brother. I'm sorry that I put
E in this situation, but this ain't Watergate unquote. And
with that, fellas back to you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Ain't Watergate. Huh you have a fall guy, that's right, Well,
that's right, he got a fall. Guys like I don't
know who to believe. Uh So, Josh McDaniel seems to
be DeVante Adams fall guy. He's come out and basically
said that he understands uh and and and that Davante
(31:33):
has the right to vent his frustrations. You know, Jimmy
G had the surgery before signing with with the Vegas team.
Obviously he lost car uh and and so now go ahead,
I believe you had the surgery after he signed with
the Raiders. No, he had it before, He had it before,
because if you Jimmy G. No, he had it after
(31:56):
he signed the d Yes, after about and the Raiders
knew about it before they signed him.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yes, is that how it worked? Yes?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah, he had he had the surgery after he signed
the contract, and the Raiders knew that he needed surgery
before they signed him, and they still signed.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, you know, you're right there. Now there was was
that last year? Was that last year where he got
the surgery on what was it? On his shoulder? And
then it didn't allow for them to trade It didn't
allow for San Fran to trade him. I thought that
was this year.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Last year he was coming off shoulder surgery. This year
he had foot surgery after he signed with the Raiders, right, okay,
after he signed the country. My apologies, my apologies for twisting,
which makes zero sense.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I just don't understand how if you're an organization and
you're looking for a franchise quarterback, you go out and
sign a guy that you know has a foot injury,
that knees surgery before you signed the contract. These team doctors,
they do it. They perform physicals on every athlete that
(33:03):
is going it is going to another team before they
sign a contract. And I just don't understand how a
team doctor can pass a guy for a big contract
before a big contract and a team still signs them.
That does not happen. I don't understand what is going on.
But if you're a wide receiver or whatever, the or
(33:25):
cornerback or linebacker and they know that you need a
foot surgery before you sign a contract, ten out of
ten times that team is not going to that team
is not going.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
To pass you on a physical to sign that contrast,
quarter you just spoke of the d hop and then
Aaron Rodgers does it. He's a quarterback, Jimmy, he's a quarterback.
They just get away with things that other players can't
because every the Raiders right now are basically Jimmy g
or bust. We know this for a fact. He's gonna
(33:56):
miss games during the season. History has shown us that
how many, we don't know. But he's not playing in
a full season. Now you have this surgery. Who's the
backup Brian Hoyer. So let's hope that when he misses,
Brian Hoyer can win games. Because you've gone all in
with Jimmy G. And that's what Davontae Adams is speaking of,
(34:16):
like what are we doing? Like we went all in
with a quarterback that's not always available and then this
is our backup. We didn't even keep Stidham that hit
up the best defense in the league for like four
hundred yards passing, And so I don't know when Jimmy
G will be back. Yes, he'll be back before the season,
(34:37):
but as I said earlier, history is shown he not
playing a full season. And so that's the frustration with
Devonte Adams. Josh McDaniels wants Jimmy G because he had
him in New England, albeit many many years ago.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
This I don't see it ending well.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
To be honest with you, you can't rely on I'm
a guy who's not available on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You just can't do it.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
And you're the Las Vegas Raiders. You get rid of
Darren Rawley to trade him to the New York Giants,
and make no mistake about it. When DeVante Adams left
Green Bay, he went to the Las Vegas Raiders to
play with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And that was his understanding going forward.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
He even said, listen, I have a better chance to
win the World Championship with the Las Vegas Raiders than
the Green Bay Packers right now, which I didn't believe.
But he went to the Raiders to play with his
homeboy that he played with in college, and now you
oust them after his first year. Devin has what fifteen
hundred yards, twelve touchdowns, whatever the case may be, had
(35:42):
a great season. You can't put all the blame on
Derek Carr for what happened with the radio season because
the first five or six games they lost by are
combining like twelve points.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, yeah, they were winning those games. Yeah, they were
losing games by two point or two, like, oh, you
can't pick up pick comebacks like meltdowns basically yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
And you can't sit here and tell me that Jimmy
g is a tremendous upgrade from what Derek Carr was
on that offense. You can't make that justification to me,
especially knowing that the guy needs foot surgery, so you
might as well just stick with Derek Carr and hopefully
you can put out some of those games that you
(36:23):
had those meltdowns and you lose about one or two
points and now you're a whole different team in the
AFC West. But the plug in Jimmy g and you
just think all your problem is going to be fixed.
I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's Plexico Burrs, otherwise known as Stretch Armstrong.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's a TJ.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Huschman Zada alongside him, known as a panteen Man. You know,
so they have superpowers. I'm LaVar Arrington and I just
like to spectator and see what color the wall is
going to be when they get done.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
All right, we're.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Gonna take a quick break. And on the other side
of the break, John Grutin, you'd be interested to know
he made it visit to the Big Easy. Why did
he make that visit?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And what for?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
And is uh our superhero duro? Are they okay with
what's taking place? I'm curious to hear about it. I'm
sure you will be as well. Take a quick respite.
We're going to take a quick break and on the
other side, we're going to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
This is up on game. We'll be right back. Uh
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh yeah, uh uh uh.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Welcome back. That's right up on game. We're live from
tyraq dot com studio. Listen, guys, your boy John Gruden,
he's back.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
He's made.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
He's made return to the National Football League, not as
a head coach, but to the New Orleans Saints facility
to help install the new offense that will be ran
in New Orleans next season. If you're current and up
on everything that is taking place and go on, not everything,
(38:06):
but a lot of the things that take place in
the NFL, you know that John Gruden was Derek Carr's
coach in in Vegas. So now he ends up going
into the Saints facility and he's helping car once again
offensive coaching staff under Dennis Allen. It's interesting that this
(38:31):
would take place.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Now. I take a tab bit of a different.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Angle on this news coming out knowing that you know,
John Grutin does have a lawsuit against the National Football
League and he was seemingly a scapegoat in the mess
of everything that was taking place with Dan Snyder and Washington, DC.
(38:56):
Are you guys okay with just you know what what
we know about the emails and what was stated by
John Gruden. A lot of players don't think that John
Gruton is racist or or has said things that he
thinks that they were misinterpreted.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What's your take? I know we don't have a little
bit of time, but what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Are you guys? I don't have a problem with it.
I don't know John Gruden. I've met him obviously playing
against him, but I don't know John Gruden. So to
say he's this or that, I can't do that because
I don't personally know him. I know he's a hell
of a football coach, is a great offensive mine. He
coached Derek Carr. The Saints feel like he can help him.
They called him, he went in and hopefully he helped them.
(39:38):
But all the other stuff, his time in the NFL
is done. Once you start sewing the league, it's very rare.
That get very no. No Because I say rare because
Brian Fleur is a sewing the league and he's he's
still AFL.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's why I say rare. But that's totally different. TJ.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
We're talked about some of these language that this man
using is in these emails. You ain't got to know
him personally or not, but when you speak of things
of that nature, and it seems like everybody that is
supporting him are his former players.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
That's true, but right right is wrong, is wrong.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Just like a LaVar said earlier, he should not be
able to walking to an NFL facility and install nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So I totally disagree with it.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
There seems to be a double standard with coaches, quarterbacks,
whatever the case.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
We know that that's and it's just that's nothing new,
and it's it's.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Just a slap in the face to all these things
he had to say, and he shouldn't be allowed in all.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Right, Well you've heard it here first. Maybe he should,
Maybe he should. I don't know, but I do know.
That's hour two of us on game. It's coming up
at your nex.
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