June 9, 2023 • 44 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe and the guys believe the Vikings releasing Dalvin Cook is a missed opportunity for Minnesota. A sign of the times is NFL teams cancelling OTA’s in favor of fun team building activities like paintball. Mike McDaniel side-steps questions about Dalvin Cook in the coolest way possible and a deep dive on the most racist soda pop of all time.
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What Up Sticks, Good morning, sir. How are you all
decked out? You are feeling yourself? Man? I mean I'm
not stacked, I'm not shacked. Yeah, I am, I am.
I am. I was about to say, I'm really not
feeling myself, which I'm really not technically in theory literally
(00:33):
feeling on myself. Now, you wouldn't be doing that, I mean, Jess,
I would well, I mean plenty of times. Actually, you know,
pee Wee Herman, I'll tell you, I don't know that
I'm not you know, I don't call me pee wee Herman.
You know, picking up shifts is a Charger security guard.
I've just said. I'm just saying, you know, despite what
anybody wants to say. But LaVar Arrington, we do have
(00:55):
some good news here, phenomenal news. Let me get it
because I've heard that this may have been a missing
element from last week's show. That's what I've heard. I
do the shows that you did, or the shows that
you know that the show that I wasn't here for. Okay, listen.
You know, went went yonder, Yeah, to San Diego. Yeah.
(01:16):
While you were enjoying time off, I was just here grinding. Yeah.
Sometimes somebody's got to keep the show on the tracks.
And then I hear you did a phenomenal job. Okay,
but it was missing something. It was missing something. You're
going to let me know, and you know what that was?
What was it? Football Friday? It's a football Friday. Yeah,
(01:37):
night is a football Friday. Yeah, football Friday. Yes, take
them yeah, get them down right of the NBA Finals.
It's still a football Friday. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
here on two Pros and a cup of Joe. I
didn't do Friday, God Lee blame Lee Lee. Well, I mean,
(02:02):
I have no understanding. How did we miss that? Unacceptable?
Jeff doesn't like football, so yeah, Jeff Schwartzeate's football. Did
we mess Football Friday? You know why? Because I was like,
you know, like in those movies, like in cartoon movies,
(02:23):
where you're like you're I told you, I talked about
the anxiety I had running the show because I don't
normally run this show, so I was feeling a little
bit of anxiety, and you know, like how in the
movie you're like going into the train tunnel and then
you just hear the train is coming, and you didn't
think the train was coming, and you start hearing it,
and then you see the lights and then the lights
start getting brighter and brighter and brighter, and then you're
(02:45):
trying to figure out, like what are you going to do?
Like that's kind of how I felt on Friday. Yeah, yeah,
because I don't think I think maybe Christmas I did
the show. I think I've only done the show where
I've run the show, drove the show. You weren't on
the show like maybe once. Yeah. Yeah, it was a
(03:06):
lot of moving parts. But well in those moving parts
were you know, you're not here, qu'es not here, Berto's
not here, Monday Lee wasn't here. I mean it's just like, yeah,
I mean my moving parts were my moving parts. Sometimes
I did the best I could do. Yeah, well, I
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hear he did a phenomenal job. Again. So there was
a lot of changes, a lot of things that were changing, Okay,
and apparently there's a lot of things that are changing
in Minnesota. I mean, wow, and listen, we were on
the YALLAHRN of the Twin Cities k Fan and they're
probably looking around going listen, I just got a Dalvin
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Cook jersey, and now I got to get rid of
it because Dalvin Cook. According to Adam Schefter of ESPN,
the Vikings have been figured out that he will be released.
That is the plan in place, that Dalvin Cook is
going to be really east not the biggest surprise in
the world. There was a lot of stuff out there
about Dalvin Cook not being on the Vikings any longer
because of financial reasons. Set to make eleven million dollars
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this year, it was fourteen million dollars against the cap
he was. Also, he's going to be owed two million
dollars when they do finally cut him, and so they're
going to save about nine million. So those are all
the numbers to confuse everybody here because numbers are never
good on radio. But point being from a financial standpoint,
(04:31):
this does make some sense that Dalvin Cook is no
longer a member of the Minnesota Vikings. But I can't
help but think if I'm a Vikings fan somewhere a
major part of their offense. Yes, I mean, it was
I missing something here when I was like, they're letting
go of Dalvin Cook, Like doesn't their offense go through
a healthy Dalvin Cook. Now I did talk to our
Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro, he is the voice of Minnesota.
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What did he tell you? And his reasoning was, you know, physicality,
the injuries, all of that stuff sort of played into
this as an injured Yeah. And and the finances it,
you know, there was the hope was if you could
keep Dalvin Cook but at a lower number, that would
make the most sense. I heard Tom Pellisero call it,
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what did he say, a competitive rebuild? So restructure his
contract basically, and he wasn't going to do it would
And so now Dalvin Cook is going to be on
the open market. But when he gets his money, yeah,
and when it comes to the Minnesota Vikings, I can't
help but think this is a blown opportunity. And I'll
tell you why, tell me why. I think the NFC
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is more up for grabs than people realize. Aaron Rodgers
is out of the division. That's correct. You just won
that division. That's correct. You were a thirteen win team
last year. That's correct. Given a flawed thirteen win team,
that is what it is. So if the Boogeyman finally
leaves the closet. To me, it would feel like that's
the time that you everybody come out of the Yeah,
(05:59):
like for everybody, I'm out of the closet. The Boogeyman's
out of the closse. Everyone's out of the closet. Coop
is out of the class. Whoa. It just feels like
it just it just it just feels like like this
this was an opportunity is out of the closet for
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a while. It just feels like this was an opportunity
for Minnesota to run this thing back, albeit for another year.
They're still trying to figure out whether or not they
want to continue forward with Kirk Cousins man outside of Philadelphia,
who's a sure thing in the NFC. San Franz got
got issues at quarterback. The Lions, like everybody talks about
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the Gian haven't even been good yet, right, they haven't
even they haven't been good yet. The Bears were a
three win team last year. If you just look at
the division, Cowboys are the one team that you say,
there's something that could be there. Although there's something there.
To me, we've we've seen as far as Dallas can
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go with this group. I mean, I just think that
that's what we've seen as far as they can go. Yeah,
I just think I so who else? I get the
financial reasons why, because look, you're gonna save nine million dollars,
you only own two million dollars off the level. What's
your answer for letting him go? And how money will
Kirk Cousins be without having Dalvin Cook in his backfield?
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I mean that to me was a lot of what
alleviated the stress of what Kirk Cousins needed to bring
to the table as a quarterback. So you get rid
of that, that running attack, you get you get rid
of that dynamic type of player. I mean, Dalvin Cook
is a game changing player when he and he's been
ultra productive over the past several years. And look, this
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is a guy who dealt with injuries early in his
career and then once he was able to stay healthy
and you could rely on him for you know, forty
grabs out of the backfield, eleven to twelve hundred yards rushing,
like he was going to be a focal focal point
on that offense. And when you add Adam Thielen, who's
no longer there, he's in Carolina. But with Justin Jefferson,
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I think the Vikings got worse moving on from Dalvin Cook.
And in a conference it's wide open with Rogers leaving
and look Philadelphia and we'll get into that later on.
They've done everything right this offseason to want to run
this thing back. But the super Bowl hangover is a
real thing. Like people can try and deny it all
they want, it's a real thing. I just I feel
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like Minnesota had a chance here if not for if
it was only for one year to try and do something.
I think it's gone. With dal they got worse. Who's
their remaining running back, Alexander Madison, Who's who's been productive?
I mean he's He's no Dalvin Cook, but he's a
guy that they look at and I think Kevinnick, is
he a guy? Is this a depth chart that art?
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Can they add another? Is there? Like you add an
Ezekiel Elliott? Like what are you? But if you were
gonna add another running back? Who's going to cost you
a little bit? Why not? Just what roll with? But
is he going to cost you? Is he going to
cost you a little bit? I don't think what's interesting
is Ezekiel Elliott's a year younger than Dalvin Cook and
I think there's a big difference between how those two
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are viewed because there's gonna be an market. Man. If
Alexander Madison is you're starting running back, I mean there's
not enough of a sample size. Seventy four carries two
hundred and eighty three yards, Like that's what you're basing
your future off of. I know Kirk Cousins is good.
I know guys think that Kirk Cousin is good. I
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personally and I listen. I know if Q was here,
he would argue me down and tell me all the
things that Kirk Cousins does, and then you would sit
there and you co sign it. But Kirk Cousins needs help.
To me, Kirk Cousins isn't that world beating. He is
a heartbeat away. He's a chromozoon away from not being
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a franchise quarterback. If you that's me, like he's almost
you know, yeah, Like I don't. I just for me.
You have to have a safety valve for a guy
like Kirk Cousins, meaning you have to be able to
get the ball and get downhill and get tough yards
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in the running game. You gotta have a guy that
can give you a an alleviating of passing the ball downfield.
You gotta get it to him out out of the backfield.
That was Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook was the perfect compliment
to Justin Jefferson and what they have and theling. But
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theland isn't even there anymore, right, so theland is gone,
I believe then he leaving free agency. Yeah, I just
you know, to me, we're gonna find out if they
are indeed going with this running back that is unproven,
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and you're okay with letting Dalvin Cook go. We're going
to find out truly how good Kirk Cousins is this season. Yeah.
I just if I'm a Vikings fan, I'm frustrated because
I feel like this is I'm scared if I'm a
Vikings fan and you have cause for concern, because I
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don't know, I think you disrupted the balance of what
this offense was bringing to the table. And it seemed
as though with Justin Jefferson transitioning into probably being the
best receiver in the game right now, it seems as
though if you have that balance with Dalvin Cook in
your backfield, that just maybe they take a step forward
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this year. Again, like you said, everybody's out of the
closet because the Boogeyman came out and said it was
safe to come out. So everybody gets to run and play.
But if you can defense Kirk Cousins, then what do
you have out of the North? Yeah, I'll get it
out of the North. The defense in Minnesota has been
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the problem in the past couple of years, as we've
talked about on the show before. I mean, Kirk Cousins
did his best. They had what like something like seven
comeback wins last year, you know, just like they are
just full blown meltdowns on defense that Kirk Cousins and
that offense got him out of And I just I
look at it and I think it's so much different
than with Ezekiel Elliott. Like everybody knew. Listen, Tony Pollard's
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the guy. Now Ezekiel Elliott his body. He just he
can't go like he used to. Everybody's aware of that.
I still feel like Dalvin Cook's got something left in
the tank, and I think the market is going to
dictate that because I can't imagine he's going to be
out there floating around for a long time looking for work.
Miami and Denver could be just because of maybe what
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his price tag would be, because if I'm Dalvin Cooks,
he can still he can still command a dollar. It's
not like Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, I think Dalvin Cook
has shown that he's still a feature back at a
dying position. But still he's still a guy that could
be a feature back for your team. He'd be a
perfect fit for Miami, He'd be a great fit for
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several different teams. I mean, make no mistake about that.
It's the verbiage that I mentioned from Tom Pellisero. He
was on with Rich Eyesend yesterday and he just said, well,
you know they're trying to competitively rebuild. It's like, what
the hell's that? What do we do? That means there
one way, they're one year away from getting rid of
Kirk Cousins too, That's what it means. So like, if
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you really wanted to competitively rebuild, man swallow the eleven
million that you're going to have to pay Dalvin Cook
and give this thing a shot one more year in
a conference that a lot of people look at and go,
it's up for grabs right now. I mean, like you
look at the NFC and you just say, man, who
the hell knows what's going to happen with Philadelphia. We
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all assume they're going to be the team that's going
to be the one to you know, make another jump
and maybe win a Super Bowl this time around, and
all of that stuff that comes along with it. I
just I think this is a frustrating twenty four to
forty eight hours for Vikings fans who probably saw the
riding on the wall and are now looking around going
where the hell do we stack up in the NFC?
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Like if you just go by betting odds, according to
our friends at DraftKings, the Eagles, the Niners, the Cowboys,
the Lions, the Seahawks, and the Saints, all with better
odds projected to win the oversea Delvin went over one thousand,
one two three four. Yeah. The last four years, clockwork
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eleven hundred yards out of the backfield eleven hundred he
had fifteen hundred and twenty twenty. That was his like
his out outlier year. Bro just consistent. And then pass
catching out of the backfield. Safety valve so I said,
thirty forty catches out of the backfield every year. You
can count on him thirty nine reception and now that's
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gone so's some real production out the door. I'll tell
you that. So one thousand yard got the last four years,
that's yeah, I mean where you finding that? Where are
you going to find that? Yeah, Tennessee, We'll just have
what else is gone over one thousand yards a yearly
in the league? Zeke, if you do it in three years,
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I'm just saying we're talking math here on the program.
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I got to ask you something, sticks, I want to
know how this would land with you, Okay, because there's
been some stuff that's gone on over the past several
days in the NFL. Yeah. So the Jets they decided
a few days ago, we're gonna go ahead and cancel
the remaining days of ot And then the Jaguars decided,
(16:04):
you know what, that's a great idea. We're going to
cancel OTAs too, except we're gonna have a paintball tournament.
So they brought out a bunch of paint cannons and
started playing cops and robbers. Who with paintball guns? Who
were the cops? Who were the robbers? I don't know.
You learned a lot about your team, that is true.
Nice exercise. Figure out where people are coming from. Going
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to go out on a lemon. Say Trevor Lawrence was
the cop. Let's say, you know, but do we take turns?
You ever been paintballing? By the way, I had some
buddies who are real sick bastards. They used to freeze
the paintballs and they take them out load of my
nice little brewis huh, little marbles right in your calf
when you running try to get away. But nonetheless they
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decided to go paintballing. And then you've got the Giants
who also canceled OTA's but they got an issue there.
There's these wildfires in Canada are destroying every sporting event.
Apparently on the the in the northeast there a lot
of things have been canceled. So like when you see
teams that are willingly canceling the final OTA practices, when
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it's an opportunity to get together and get some stuff
done before you return, and everybody comes back, you know,
in July for training camp. How does that land with you?
Does that bother you? No? I mean as a player,
I can understand you'd want to break. But if you're
trying to get some stuff done and my team's like, ah,
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we don't need that last one, let's let's move on,
I feel like these would be valuable rescue. Again, the
whole thing is is if it were that important and
that valuable, you go indoors. Right, These guys have indoor
facilities so you don't have to be outside. So if
you're if you're using the air quality as a reason
to cancel your practices, I mean I don't I don't
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know how to way by that, because you could go
indoors and do your practice outside of you know, those
those air conditions. So if it was truly important, I
don't even think that we're having this conversation. They're still
having their practices. I think what this is is this
is a symptom of where society is. This is a
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symptom of where we are as a culture. It's a
symptom of you know, to me, what what football in
a lot of ways has has had elements major elements
of it turned into which is as soft as hell
is what it says to me. That's I mean, oh,
let's take OTA's off, like I ain't never heard of
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no s like that, you know. But you have different
different types of people these days. They they're cut differently,
and so you have to appeal to them differently, like
you almost have to treat and and listen. I I
don't want to come across as like a hater of
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young people. I just say that the culture is just
very different. I've coached for the last five years, and
I've mentored guys for the last hell twenty years, and
so I've seen I've seen the evolution and just the
different generations of dudes and how they are and how
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it's evolved over time. And guys are just they're pampered.
They're pampered way more than what they've ever been. Mental
health is a big part of culture now. Like mental
health used to be. It would make force you to
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be like kind of like you're an outcast because there's
something wrong with Like you say something's wrong with my
mental health, people look at you like the hell is
wrong with you? Like you don't get out of my
face with some mental health talk, like what is what
is mental health? Even anyway, like where you bringing that
around here? For like tighten up, tighten up, let's get
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the work. But nowadays we're just so much more aware
of everything that's going out going on in our society.
But I almost feel like it's taken too far, like
it's it's taken so far out into to left field
in terms of how things are treated, how they're handled.
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It's like, oh, there's a little bit of bad air
out there, like back in the day, and people would
have been like bad air from Canada, like please, like
we'll be outside on the field. They'll find a way
to be outside on the field. Weather conditions, it could
be too hot, they gonna find a way to get
us outside on the field, you know. So to me,
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I think that it's more important for people to build
camaraderie and build relationships with this this new new type
of athlete because they're almost like celebrities, Like we were
celebrities as players, but but it was still football. It
almost seems like it's less about football anymore. It's more
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about like appeasing, appeasing people and making sure people are
happy and making sure they're comfortable, like a paintball, like
a paintball match, like whatever, I've never heard of us
having a paintball match. You know. It was like it
was crazy to hear Pete Carroll and all the stuff
he was doing at USC and that was what when
Reggie Bush and all of those guys were there, Yeah,
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that was like holy moly, Like they're doing like a
slipping slide during practice and stuff like that, a dance off,
like like really like that, like what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Does that really work? It is funny because we mentioned
urban Meyer at you know, in kind of a in
passing kind of a joking. I was talking about Last
Last Hour. But you imagine if urban Meyer canceled the
final OTA for a paint ball tournament, he would be disintegrated.
How about if Marty Schottenheimer said, Ah, you know, we're
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going to cancel all the OTAs. We're gonna eat ice
cream sandwiches, go get barbecue. Could you could you imagine
like Bill Cower like, yeah, we're going to cancel OTAs.
We're you know what we're going to do. We're gonna
go down to We're going to go down to where
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the three rivers meet and have have like you said, well,
we'll have a barbecue. We'll have some primandes like what's
what's the name of that thing in Pittsburgh. It's the
uh it goes down the hill like you go in
this little cart, Yeah, the incline. Yeah yeah. Bill Cowers like,
you know what, guys, let's all go on angle. We've
done enough. We've got two of these left before we
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close up shop for two months. Let's go ahead and
go down the hill in some uh let's roller coaster age.
Imagine Bill Parcells like yeah, we're just gonna we're going
to cancel ot as like nah, no, no, no worries
and two more left eye forget about it, Like it's
just a sign of the times. If you ask me,
I just felt like I'm not bothered by it. I
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just I wanted to get your perspective as somebody who
played at the highest level. Maybe maybe I'm delusional, you know,
because everybody always thinks that their era of time, Like
I'll say, our era didn't compare to the ones before ours.
They were it was different. It was tougher, Like it
was like the conversation of like water breaks, water break,
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Nobody takes water breaks like you think about old heads, man.
Old heads used to they used to practice, stop, take
a drag of their square, and get right back to work. Literally,
dudes was smoking jacks on the football field like what
you know, and they was hit clubbing and clotheslining and
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and doing all kinds of different things. It was just
a different era of time and they and they had
other jobs because they weren't even making enough money to
make ends meet. It was almost like playing you as
you know xflor or you know the USFL. Like that's
like they didn't make money in the NFL, so you
were still getting other jobs. They were like delivering papers
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and delivering groceries and stuff like. Like, they were doing
all kinds of odd and then jobs, you know when
they weren't in season. So the mentalities were just very different.
You know, it was more it was more of a
grown ass man mentality with the mean Joe Greens and
the Jim Brown's and stuff like that. And then once
you got a little bit further along, you know, it's like,
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you know, you get to my era, we were still
like kind of like the last breed of like I'm
gonna fu up type of dudes. And then you continue
to transition and evolve and it's like it's like a
bunch of actors or like a bunch of celebrities, like
football players anymore are kind of like celebrities. They're they're
(25:06):
like literally not not so much football players. And you
have extras. It's so funny. You have the celebrities, the
main the main names, and then you have the extras.
Like every movie has to have its cast of main characters,
a roll a roll people, and then and then you
have your b rollers. You you have your your extras,
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like the people that are there that make it work,
but you know, nobody really cares about them. But you
could still say, I was in the movie, I'm in
the show. You get a day rate. I think you
get a sad card. You know. That's kind of like
to me, that's kind of like what football is turning into. Man,
It's like, you know, everything else matters, Like the details
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of it, I don't know that they matter as much anymore.
The the the intensity of it, I don't know that
it matters as much anymore. It's just more of a
production more than anything else, and just making sure that
you're just politically correct and you don't do anything that
paints you in this bad light. It's almost like CTE
(26:11):
when CTE era hit. It just crippled everything. It just
crippled everything, because it's like anytime you say something that
sounds or seems or like flirts with like pushing somebody,
it's like you don't care about the player, right, everything
is all about you don't care about the player anymore.
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And that's kind of like it's like been to me.
It's been like a snowball effect through the years, and
it's with social media and the way things have changed
that way, and the engagement and the development of athletes
and players and people in general, and then with the
softening of the environment within football because of all of
(26:54):
the attacks that's on it. It's just a horrible that's
a horrible cocktail mikes. If you ask me, I love
LaVar a long Allan's because that as is stiff. It's
got strong ass alcohol in it. I could get to
where I'm trying to get to, you know what I mean.
It's just real watered down anymore. It's like a chaser
chaser culture anymore.
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Speaker 2 (27:54):
So we mentioned this early on in the program for
those of you that are getting ready for Game four
of the NBA Finals, in which the Denver Nuggets find
themselves still a three and a half point favorite on
the road in Miami, and everyone's like, man, oh man,
we're going to be inundated with a preview of Game four,
(28:16):
this series that seems like it's over. Well, this is
the place for you, because it is a football Friday. Yeah,
football Friday, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Friday night.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It is.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Come yea Friday. You bet your shit ass to football
here on Fox Sports quick. Because that round of applause
not that damn. I just feel like it just comes
(28:50):
to the end so quickly. Yeah, what happened there? Man,
I have no idea, Hey, what that happens? I didn't know.
It just abruptly ended, like that story in my life.
Tell you that. But quite being, it is a football Friday,
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and we must address the big story in the NFL
that came out yesterday, which was Dalvin Cook. Eventually, at
some point, probably today, is going to be released by
the Minnesota Vikings. We touched on why the move's being made.
It's a financial situation. He still seems like he's got
some production left in him. He's put up some decent numbers,
(29:33):
some good numbers rather over the past couple of years.
But the Minnesota Vikings have identified that we want to
go in a different direction. The cost of it, they
called it, Tom Pelasero talking with Rich Eyes in yesterday,
a competitive rebuild. I guess that's the terminology they're using
in Minnesota. But point being, Dalvin Cook is going to
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find work elsewhere. And so one of the teams that's
been rumored, there's been a couple of them. Denver Broncos
are one. Another one has been the Miami Dolphins. Obviously
he's from Florida, played at Florida State would make some sense.
Dalvin Cook himself even posted a picture on his social
media of him dancing in a Vikings uniform but inside
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hard Rock Stadium where the Dolphins play, and so a
lot of people see the Dolphins as the leader in
the clubhouse. When it comes to adding Dalvin Cook, well,
their head coach Mike McDaniel, who we now call LeVar McDaniel,
he was talking yesterday with the media about the current
(30:37):
running back room in Miami and then he was asked
about potentially adding Dalvin Cook and let's take a list.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
So the running back group, it's developed into a really
cool group. Very pumped to sign Rahiem and Jeff back
in the offseason. The Washington Boys have been outstanding as usual,
just getting better all the time with Essay and Miles,
(31:09):
and then you know, we have a couple of rookies
that have done a good job being rookies, which means.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Learning from mistakes.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
So overall, very happy with the way that practiced, Very
happy with.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
They're competitive, like camaraderie.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
They are all trying to be the best, but they're
not doing it in spite of each other. They recognize
that each each one of them can help each other
get better.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So it's been a cool camp for them.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Like a veteran running back from Minnesota Vikings who is
from Miami is supposedly going to be released today or
has been released. You have said that this team is
always seeking to upgrade.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Does that apply at running back? Right now?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
March third, nineteen eighty three day I was born?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Right now, we take a closer look at that date
and that in fact was not yesterday.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Okay, So people.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Are rumored to be tall, short, You're not going to
get this guy. I'm here too, okay. So what I
am excited about is talking about the most important thing,
which is.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
The third day of veteran mene camp. And we've got
a lot of guys that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Are good players that have an opportunity to get better.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Answer question, Hell no, no, you did it. He's fantastic. Man.
You liked That's so good. You know what it is.
It would be like if Bill Belichick smoked weed. That's
what it sounds like. He just sort of kind of
goes off on things you don't expect him to go off.
(33:01):
We didn't need to know your birthday because it didn't
I wasn't born yesterday, Like just say I wasn't born
yesterday and give give explanation. He sounds way more confident though,
Like I can't even do my my impressions of him
anymore because his voice has more confidence in it than
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it did last year. Well, I think he's got more energy.
By about week eight, we'll hear it again. Yeah, that's fatigal,
especially if they if they come out and uh, you know,
to his out injured again and dealing with whatever he's
dealing with. And I think we'll get more fatigue when
he has to explain why why jiu jitsu and kung
(33:43):
fu didn't help him to not get thrown to the
flung to the ground the way that he did last season.
He's going to sound the same right now. He's got
a whole lot of confidence in his voice. Though it's
not it's not like the elle. It's like, well, I
(34:04):
was born March twenty fourth, nineteen eighty three. Yeah, that
wasn't yesterday. I mean, I think he's awesome. You love him.
It's a breath of fresh air. You don't think so sure?
I mean, listen, there's a lot of just canned answer.
I'm not a non fan of of Mike McDaniel. I'm
(34:27):
not a non fan. You just do an impression of him.
I mean, but not this latest Mike McDaniel. He's new
too cool. He's way too cool, although he still sounds
like a high school kid interviewing, like he doesn't come
across as an adult. For some reason, he doesn't sound
like an adult. He just sounds like a high school
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kid trying to figure out how to answer questions. Straight hipster,
I mean, he's straight hipster. You know, he's in South Beach.
You know he's feeling more confident. Hipsters are taking over
than thattional football league. Man, you know, I mean I
blame the hipsters. What happened with Urban Meyer. We time, Yeah,
(35:10):
we talk about what Nick Sirianni did with Jalen Hurts.
I mean, look to a tug of Iloa outside of
the injuries, played pretty damn well last year. They were
playing well until he got hurt. And so Mike McDaniel
has done kind of the same thing where they just
needed somebody that had their back, and with what Brian
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Flores did in Miami and that whole thing that happened,
to see where Tua is at now that there's potential
that Miami is a legitimate team and a legitimate contender
like Mike McDaniel's got to get some of that. I mean,
I don't know, if you know, I don't know what
was in the what was in the vape that he
that he brought with him to South Beach? Was it
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cherry red? Is that a flavor? I'm not quite sure.
But you know, the point is, if you're the Dolphin
is there's gonna be some optimism there, and you got
a head coach that can take a question about Dalvin
Cook and turn it into whatever his horoscope was that day.
Do they still have the red soda with with the
(36:12):
you know's? It would probably be considered inappropriate now, But
it was just for the sake of saying what it was.
They had a drink called Cherokee Red Lee. Can you
look that up? Does that still existly? Cherokee Red? And
it was a really cheap soda, but it was a
really good soda. I remember looking this up in the past.
(36:39):
I believe they changed the name of it. Why the
hell would you be looking that up in the past.
I think we brought it up. I brought it up
on this I don't remember that I may have. Is
it so what they changed it to? I think it's
still Cherokee red, how about it? Yeah, look at that,
it's Cherokee. It's not popular enough to get canceled yet,
(37:02):
I guess, no discontinued.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It made a short comeback several years ago, but it's
no longer.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
By the way, have you have you walked through like
in some markets they'll have the vintage sodas around still
where you get like they'll have it in bottles, like
old school vintage sodas, like you can get like an
orange crush and a bottle. You can get an R
C Cola in a bottle, like if you like, just
taking a look at the back at the amount of
(37:35):
sugar that was in those things the most racist so ever, God,
it's that's what to hit lads. We look at that logo,
I mean, look at that logo. Why not why not
rename it commander read? Yeah, please do, but just call
it Cherry Ridge if you would. If you go through
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like some of those vintagetis and look at the amount
of sugar in those things, Oh, it's like sugar. And
we rifled through those as kids, like not a worry
in the world, and every dentist everywhere was like chi ching,
what are you doing? Like just getting destroying your mouth
to your kids that you'd be wondering, you'd be sitting down,
(38:18):
like you ain't sitting down. No, go outside and play.
That's where it's that's where go outside and play came from, right.
You know. People don't say go outside and play anymore.
It's kind of crazy. They say, put on your iPad
and then go outside and play totally wings revenge or
whatever it is. But when you was drinking all that soda, man,
(38:41):
you had to get them out. You had to get
that up out of you. Like how did we run
around and play after drinking all that soda? Well you
had to or you'd have been nine hundred pounds. God,
you had to run it off quick. It was quick energy. Yeah,
quick energy. That's nasty, man. It wasn't. It wasn't sustainable
injury like some grits or some some some oatmeal. It
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was just quick energy. You know. You had to burn
it off though. By the way, can you imagine like
you didn't gain any weight. Get the crap we used
to eat. It was awesome, all the trans fat that
we used to eat. Remember Swiss cake rolls, the little
little Debbie ste Yeah, man, do throw those in the
fridge for like a half hour, stomach burning listening to
(39:27):
us talk about junk food because that was all the
stuff we could get away with. And then you hit
like your thirties, and all of a sudden, your body goes, hey, dummy,
what are you doing? Yeah, you're not fortymore. In fact,
let me show you this. Yeah, and your belly is
sitting on your legs right, and then you're you're obese.
(39:47):
And then you have to look at yourself in the
mirror with with all that junk that's caught up to
your belly. Do you eat pizza when you were a kid?
This is my favorite food? Okay, right, so how many
slices of eat it? When you were a kid could
you eat? I feel like at what point, like high school?
High school, I could I could rifle through two boxes. Yeah,
(40:10):
if you had, if you had half a box. Now
I can't. I can probably do two pieces out most.
I can't eat very much. What is that?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
The the the bigger our bodies got the smaller our
stomachs because we weren't we weren't see the younger we were.
Our metabolism was firing really really fast. It was moving
like you could do it because you were burning it immediately.
Like the older we get we're not burning We're not
burning them calories like we used to. Because nowadays, like
(40:42):
the crust is really the great divide because if you
because look, you could go three slices, but not if
you're eating the crust on the first two. You eat
the crust on the first two. Then you're out of there.
And my fat ass is sitting down for a half
hour going hold on a second, like I need to
decide whether or not I'm going to keep this in
or this is gonna leave my body right now. Like
(41:02):
it's just it's a bad situation. But when you're younger,
you can do anything, including rifle a couple of slices
and drink a cherry red afterwards. Cherry red the most races,
the most racist drink ever, tang. We used to have
them joints at every family reunion. By the way, who
thought that was a good idea to name it? I mean,
(41:24):
I mean, but it was popular. I don't know about
on the West coast, but on the East coast, that
bad boy, that that soda was popular, definitely in the South.
The one that we would do, we called it pop too.
You know where I come from, we call it pop.
Like I didn't. I didn't stop calling soda pop until
(41:45):
I got to the league. I said pop all the
way up until and my parents still say, my family,
everybody's he wants some pop. You want to get a glass?
Let's bring that back on the West coast. That mean,
did they ever say papa on the West Coast? My
dad said it because he grew up in Illinois, but yeah,
(42:07):
he never like soda. Yeah, let me get it. What's
pop next? Soda pop? Yeah? Like that's like this called
it soda. I got to the point of where I
just started calling it the flavors, like you go to
a draft through. When I first started, like at college
and stuff, I'd be like, yeah, could I can I
get get an orange pop? Like?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, I woke up to go give me a cold pop.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
And I said, Lord Jesus fun.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I said, oh, Lord Jesus, it's a far far. Then
I ran out.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I didn't grab me. I got no time rating for
my life, for my life, Sam, You're an idiot. Ain't
nobody I don't do time for no fire. This is
this is how I knew that we were struggling financially
growing up. But I went to the fridge and there
(43:03):
was no pepsi. It was just shasta. And then when
I went to the cupboard to get some cheerios and
it was toasted O's in a bag. That's how you knew.
It's like, oh, no, one of the lights are off.
No oneder the lights were off. But I get it.
That makes some sense, Uh, the most races. So remember
(43:30):
it is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, and that'll it'll cover our discussion
about the Dolphins running back room. So we're able to
tie that all together. Damn detours. So that's what I
were on this show. But listen, Dalvin Cook could be
(43:51):
a dolphin very soon if you believe of this segment
what we were trying to get through that there's strong
possibility that doubt and Cook. So there we go.
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You know, picking up shifts is a Charger security guard.
I've just said. I'm just saying, you know, despite what
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some good news here, phenomenal news. Let me get it
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do the shows that you did, or the shows that
you know that the show that I wasn't here for. Okay, listen.
You know, went went yonder, Yeah, to San Diego. Yeah.
(01:16):
While you were enjoying time off, I was just here grinding. Yeah.
Sometimes somebody's got to keep the show on the tracks.
And then I hear you did a phenomenal job. Okay,
but it was missing something. It was missing something. You're
going to let me know, and you know what that was?
What was it? Football Friday? It's a football Friday. Yeah,
(01:37):
night is a football Friday. Yeah, football Friday. Yes, take
them yeah, get them down right of the NBA Finals.
It's still a football Friday. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
here on two Pros and a cup of Joe. I
didn't do Friday, God Lee blame Lee Lee. Well, I mean,
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I have no understanding. How did we miss that? Unacceptable?
Jeff doesn't like football, so yeah, Jeff Schwartzeate's football. Did
we mess Football Friday? You know why? Because I was like,
you know, like in those movies, like in cartoon movies,
(02:23):
where you're like you're I told you, I talked about
the anxiety I had running the show because I don't
normally run this show, so I was feeling a little
bit of anxiety, and you know, like how in the
movie you're like going into the train tunnel and then
you just hear the train is coming, and you didn't
think the train was coming, and you start hearing it,
and then you see the lights and then the lights
start getting brighter and brighter and brighter, and then you're
(02:45):
trying to figure out, like what are you going to do?
Like that's kind of how I felt on Friday. Yeah, yeah,
because I don't think I think maybe Christmas I did
the show. I think I've only done the show where
I've run the show, drove the show. You weren't on
the show like maybe once. Yeah. Yeah, it was a
(03:06):
lot of moving parts. But well in those moving parts
were you know, you're not here, qu'es not here, Berto's
not here, Monday Lee wasn't here. I mean it's just like, yeah,
I mean my moving parts were my moving parts. Sometimes
I did the best I could do. Yeah, well, I
(03:28):
hear he did a phenomenal job. Again. So there was
a lot of changes, a lot of things that were changing, Okay,
and apparently there's a lot of things that are changing
in Minnesota. I mean, wow, and listen, we were on
the YALLAHRN of the Twin Cities k Fan and they're
probably looking around going listen, I just got a Dalvin
(03:48):
Cook jersey, and now I got to get rid of
it because Dalvin Cook. According to Adam Schefter of ESPN,
the Vikings have been figured out that he will be released.
That is the plan in place, that Dalvin Cook is
going to be really east not the biggest surprise in
the world. There was a lot of stuff out there
about Dalvin Cook not being on the Vikings any longer
because of financial reasons. Set to make eleven million dollars
(04:11):
this year, it was fourteen million dollars against the cap
he was. Also, he's going to be owed two million
dollars when they do finally cut him, and so they're
going to save about nine million. So those are all
the numbers to confuse everybody here because numbers are never
good on radio. But point being from a financial standpoint,
(04:31):
this does make some sense that Dalvin Cook is no
longer a member of the Minnesota Vikings. But I can't
help but think if I'm a Vikings fan somewhere a
major part of their offense. Yes, I mean, it was
I missing something here when I was like, they're letting
go of Dalvin Cook, Like doesn't their offense go through
a healthy Dalvin Cook. Now I did talk to our
Lord and Savior, Scott Shapiro, he is the voice of Minnesota.
(04:55):
What did he tell you? And his reasoning was, you know, physicality,
the injuries, all of that stuff sort of played into
this as an injured Yeah. And and the finances it,
you know, there was the hope was if you could
keep Dalvin Cook but at a lower number, that would
make the most sense. I heard Tom Pellisero call it,
(05:16):
what did he say, a competitive rebuild? So restructure his
contract basically, and he wasn't going to do it would
And so now Dalvin Cook is going to be on
the open market. But when he gets his money, yeah,
and when it comes to the Minnesota Vikings, I can't
help but think this is a blown opportunity. And I'll
tell you why, tell me why. I think the NFC
(05:38):
is more up for grabs than people realize. Aaron Rodgers
is out of the division. That's correct. You just won
that division. That's correct. You were a thirteen win team
last year. That's correct. Given a flawed thirteen win team,
that is what it is. So if the Boogeyman finally
leaves the closet. To me, it would feel like that's
the time that you everybody come out of the Yeah,
(05:59):
like for everybody, I'm out of the closet. The Boogeyman's
out of the closse. Everyone's out of the closet. Coop
is out of the class. Whoa. It just feels like
it just it just it just feels like like this
this was an opportunity is out of the closet for
(06:19):
a while. It just feels like this was an opportunity
for Minnesota to run this thing back, albeit for another year.
They're still trying to figure out whether or not they
want to continue forward with Kirk Cousins man outside of Philadelphia,
who's a sure thing in the NFC. San Franz got
got issues at quarterback. The Lions, like everybody talks about
(06:43):
the Gian haven't even been good yet, right, they haven't
even they haven't been good yet. The Bears were a
three win team last year. If you just look at
the division, Cowboys are the one team that you say,
there's something that could be there. Although there's something there.
To me, we've we've seen as far as Dallas can
(07:03):
go with this group. I mean, I just think that
that's what we've seen as far as they can go. Yeah,
I just think I so who else? I get the
financial reasons why, because look, you're gonna save nine million dollars,
you only own two million dollars off the level. What's
your answer for letting him go? And how money will
Kirk Cousins be without having Dalvin Cook in his backfield?
(07:27):
I mean that to me was a lot of what
alleviated the stress of what Kirk Cousins needed to bring
to the table as a quarterback. So you get rid
of that, that running attack, you get you get rid
of that dynamic type of player. I mean, Dalvin Cook
is a game changing player when he and he's been
ultra productive over the past several years. And look, this
(07:48):
is a guy who dealt with injuries early in his
career and then once he was able to stay healthy
and you could rely on him for you know, forty
grabs out of the backfield, eleven to twelve hundred yards rushing,
like he was going to be a focal focal point
on that offense. And when you add Adam Thielen, who's
no longer there, he's in Carolina. But with Justin Jefferson,
(08:09):
I think the Vikings got worse moving on from Dalvin Cook.
And in a conference it's wide open with Rogers leaving
and look Philadelphia and we'll get into that later on.
They've done everything right this offseason to want to run
this thing back. But the super Bowl hangover is a
real thing. Like people can try and deny it all
they want, it's a real thing. I just I feel
(08:30):
like Minnesota had a chance here if not for if
it was only for one year to try and do something.
I think it's gone. With dal they got worse. Who's
their remaining running back, Alexander Madison, Who's who's been productive?
I mean he's He's no Dalvin Cook, but he's a
guy that they look at and I think Kevinnick, is
he a guy? Is this a depth chart that art?
(08:52):
Can they add another? Is there? Like you add an
Ezekiel Elliott? Like what are you? But if you were
gonna add another running back? Who's going to cost you
a little bit? Why not? Just what roll with? But
is he going to cost you? Is he going to
cost you a little bit? I don't think what's interesting
is Ezekiel Elliott's a year younger than Dalvin Cook and
I think there's a big difference between how those two
(09:15):
are viewed because there's gonna be an market. Man. If
Alexander Madison is you're starting running back, I mean there's
not enough of a sample size. Seventy four carries two
hundred and eighty three yards, Like that's what you're basing
your future off of. I know Kirk Cousins is good.
I know guys think that Kirk Cousin is good. I
(09:37):
personally and I listen. I know if Q was here,
he would argue me down and tell me all the
things that Kirk Cousins does, and then you would sit
there and you co sign it. But Kirk Cousins needs help.
To me, Kirk Cousins isn't that world beating. He is
a heartbeat away. He's a chromozoon away from not being
(09:58):
a franchise quarterback. If you that's me, like he's almost
you know, yeah, Like I don't. I just for me.
You have to have a safety valve for a guy
like Kirk Cousins, meaning you have to be able to
get the ball and get downhill and get tough yards
(10:20):
in the running game. You gotta have a guy that
can give you a an alleviating of passing the ball downfield.
You gotta get it to him out out of the backfield.
That was Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook was the perfect compliment
to Justin Jefferson and what they have and theling. But
(10:41):
theland isn't even there anymore, right, so theland is gone,
I believe then he leaving free agency. Yeah, I just
you know, to me, we're gonna find out if they
are indeed going with this running back that is unproven,
(11:01):
and you're okay with letting Dalvin Cook go. We're going
to find out truly how good Kirk Cousins is this season. Yeah.
I just if I'm a Vikings fan, I'm frustrated because
I feel like this is I'm scared if I'm a
Vikings fan and you have cause for concern, because I
(11:22):
don't know, I think you disrupted the balance of what
this offense was bringing to the table. And it seemed
as though with Justin Jefferson transitioning into probably being the
best receiver in the game right now, it seems as
though if you have that balance with Dalvin Cook in
your backfield, that just maybe they take a step forward
(11:42):
this year. Again, like you said, everybody's out of the
closet because the Boogeyman came out and said it was
safe to come out. So everybody gets to run and play.
But if you can defense Kirk Cousins, then what do
you have out of the North? Yeah, I'll get it
out of the North. The defense in Minnesota has been
(12:02):
the problem in the past couple of years, as we've
talked about on the show before. I mean, Kirk Cousins
did his best. They had what like something like seven
comeback wins last year, you know, just like they are
just full blown meltdowns on defense that Kirk Cousins and
that offense got him out of And I just I
look at it and I think it's so much different
than with Ezekiel Elliott. Like everybody knew. Listen, Tony Pollard's
(12:26):
the guy. Now Ezekiel Elliott his body. He just he
can't go like he used to. Everybody's aware of that.
I still feel like Dalvin Cook's got something left in
the tank, and I think the market is going to
dictate that because I can't imagine he's going to be
out there floating around for a long time looking for work.
Miami and Denver could be just because of maybe what
(12:48):
his price tag would be, because if I'm Dalvin Cooks,
he can still he can still command a dollar. It's
not like Ezekiel Elliott. I mean, I think Dalvin Cook
has shown that he's still a feature back at a
dying position. But still he's still a guy that could
be a feature back for your team. He'd be a
perfect fit for Miami, He'd be a great fit for
(13:12):
several different teams. I mean, make no mistake about that.
It's the verbiage that I mentioned from Tom Pellisero. He
was on with Rich Eyesend yesterday and he just said, well,
you know they're trying to competitively rebuild. It's like, what
the hell's that? What do we do? That means there
one way, they're one year away from getting rid of
Kirk Cousins too, That's what it means. So like, if
(13:35):
you really wanted to competitively rebuild, man swallow the eleven
million that you're going to have to pay Dalvin Cook
and give this thing a shot one more year in
a conference that a lot of people look at and go,
it's up for grabs right now. I mean, like you
look at the NFC and you just say, man, who
the hell knows what's going to happen with Philadelphia. We
(13:56):
all assume they're going to be the team that's going
to be the one to you know, make another jump
and maybe win a Super Bowl this time around, and
all of that stuff that comes along with it. I
just I think this is a frustrating twenty four to
forty eight hours for Vikings fans who probably saw the
riding on the wall and are now looking around going
where the hell do we stack up in the NFC?
(14:19):
Like if you just go by betting odds, according to
our friends at DraftKings, the Eagles, the Niners, the Cowboys,
the Lions, the Seahawks, and the Saints, all with better
odds projected to win the oversea Delvin went over one thousand,
one two three four. Yeah. The last four years, clockwork
(14:39):
eleven hundred yards out of the backfield eleven hundred he
had fifteen hundred and twenty twenty. That was his like
his out outlier year. Bro just consistent. And then pass
catching out of the backfield. Safety valve so I said,
thirty forty catches out of the backfield every year. You
can count on him thirty nine reception and now that's
(14:59):
gone so's some real production out the door. I'll tell
you that. So one thousand yard got the last four years,
that's yeah, I mean where you finding that? Where are
you going to find that? Yeah, Tennessee, We'll just have
what else is gone over one thousand yards a yearly
in the league? Zeke, if you do it in three years,
(15:21):
I'm just saying we're talking math here on the program.
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Speaker 2 (15:38):
I got to ask you something, sticks, I want to
know how this would land with you, Okay, because there's
been some stuff that's gone on over the past several
days in the NFL. Yeah. So the Jets they decided
a few days ago, we're gonna go ahead and cancel
the remaining days of ot And then the Jaguars decided,
(16:04):
you know what, that's a great idea. We're going to
cancel OTAs too, except we're gonna have a paintball tournament.
So they brought out a bunch of paint cannons and
started playing cops and robbers. Who with paintball guns? Who
were the cops? Who were the robbers? I don't know.
You learned a lot about your team, that is true.
Nice exercise. Figure out where people are coming from. Going
(16:25):
to go out on a lemon. Say Trevor Lawrence was
the cop. Let's say, you know, but do we take turns?
You ever been paintballing? By the way, I had some
buddies who are real sick bastards. They used to freeze
the paintballs and they take them out load of my
nice little brewis huh, little marbles right in your calf
when you running try to get away. But nonetheless they
(16:49):
decided to go paintballing. And then you've got the Giants
who also canceled OTA's but they got an issue there.
There's these wildfires in Canada are destroying every sporting event.
Apparently on the the in the northeast there a lot
of things have been canceled. So like when you see
teams that are willingly canceling the final OTA practices, when
(17:15):
it's an opportunity to get together and get some stuff
done before you return, and everybody comes back, you know,
in July for training camp. How does that land with you?
Does that bother you? No? I mean as a player,
I can understand you'd want to break. But if you're
trying to get some stuff done and my team's like, ah,
(17:36):
we don't need that last one, let's let's move on,
I feel like these would be valuable rescue. Again, the
whole thing is is if it were that important and
that valuable, you go indoors. Right, These guys have indoor
facilities so you don't have to be outside. So if
you're if you're using the air quality as a reason
to cancel your practices, I mean I don't I don't
(17:59):
know how to way by that, because you could go
indoors and do your practice outside of you know, those
those air conditions. So if it was truly important, I
don't even think that we're having this conversation. They're still
having their practices. I think what this is is this
is a symptom of where society is. This is a
(18:21):
symptom of where we are as a culture. It's a
symptom of you know, to me, what what football in
a lot of ways has has had elements major elements
of it turned into which is as soft as hell
is what it says to me. That's I mean, oh,
let's take OTA's off, like I ain't never heard of
(18:42):
no s like that, you know. But you have different
different types of people these days. They they're cut differently,
and so you have to appeal to them differently, like
you almost have to treat and and listen. I I
don't want to come across as like a hater of
(19:04):
young people. I just say that the culture is just
very different. I've coached for the last five years, and
I've mentored guys for the last hell twenty years, and
so I've seen I've seen the evolution and just the
different generations of dudes and how they are and how
(19:27):
it's evolved over time. And guys are just they're pampered.
They're pampered way more than what they've ever been. Mental
health is a big part of culture now. Like mental
health used to be. It would make force you to
(19:47):
be like kind of like you're an outcast because there's
something wrong with Like you say something's wrong with my
mental health, people look at you like the hell is
wrong with you? Like you don't get out of my
face with some mental health talk, like what is what
is mental health? Even anyway, like where you bringing that
around here? For like tighten up, tighten up, let's get
(20:07):
the work. But nowadays we're just so much more aware
of everything that's going out going on in our society.
But I almost feel like it's taken too far, like
it's it's taken so far out into to left field
in terms of how things are treated, how they're handled.
(20:29):
It's like, oh, there's a little bit of bad air
out there, like back in the day, and people would
have been like bad air from Canada, like please, like
we'll be outside on the field. They'll find a way
to be outside on the field. Weather conditions, it could
be too hot, they gonna find a way to get
us outside on the field, you know. So to me,
(20:52):
I think that it's more important for people to build
camaraderie and build relationships with this this new new type
of athlete because they're almost like celebrities, Like we were
celebrities as players, but but it was still football. It
almost seems like it's less about football anymore. It's more
(21:13):
about like appeasing, appeasing people and making sure people are
happy and making sure they're comfortable, like a paintball, like
a paintball match, like whatever, I've never heard of us
having a paintball match. You know. It was like it
was crazy to hear Pete Carroll and all the stuff
he was doing at USC and that was what when
Reggie Bush and all of those guys were there, Yeah,
(21:34):
that was like holy moly, Like they're doing like a
slipping slide during practice and stuff like that, a dance off,
like like really like that, like what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Does that really work? It is funny because we mentioned
urban Meyer at you know, in kind of a in
passing kind of a joking. I was talking about Last
Last Hour. But you imagine if urban Meyer canceled the
final OTA for a paint ball tournament, he would be disintegrated.
How about if Marty Schottenheimer said, Ah, you know, we're
(22:07):
going to cancel all the OTAs. We're gonna eat ice
cream sandwiches, go get barbecue. Could you could you imagine
like Bill Cower like, yeah, we're going to cancel OTAs.
We're you know what we're going to do. We're gonna
go down to We're going to go down to where
(22:28):
the three rivers meet and have have like you said, well,
we'll have a barbecue. We'll have some primandes like what's
what's the name of that thing in Pittsburgh. It's the
uh it goes down the hill like you go in
this little cart, Yeah, the incline. Yeah yeah. Bill Cowers like,
you know what, guys, let's all go on angle. We've
done enough. We've got two of these left before we
(22:49):
close up shop for two months. Let's go ahead and
go down the hill in some uh let's roller coaster age.
Imagine Bill Parcells like yeah, we're just gonna we're going
to cancel ot as like nah, no, no, no worries
and two more left eye forget about it, Like it's
just a sign of the times. If you ask me,
I just felt like I'm not bothered by it. I
(23:11):
just I wanted to get your perspective as somebody who
played at the highest level. Maybe maybe I'm delusional, you know,
because everybody always thinks that their era of time, Like
I'll say, our era didn't compare to the ones before ours.
They were it was different. It was tougher, Like it
was like the conversation of like water breaks, water break,
(23:34):
Nobody takes water breaks like you think about old heads, man.
Old heads used to they used to practice, stop, take
a drag of their square, and get right back to work. Literally,
dudes was smoking jacks on the football field like what
you know, and they was hit clubbing and clotheslining and
(23:57):
and doing all kinds of different things. It was just
a different era of time and they and they had
other jobs because they weren't even making enough money to
make ends meet. It was almost like playing you as
you know xflor or you know the USFL. Like that's
like they didn't make money in the NFL, so you
were still getting other jobs. They were like delivering papers
(24:20):
and delivering groceries and stuff like. Like, they were doing
all kinds of odd and then jobs, you know when
they weren't in season. So the mentalities were just very different.
You know, it was more it was more of a
grown ass man mentality with the mean Joe Greens and
the Jim Brown's and stuff like that. And then once
you got a little bit further along, you know, it's like,
(24:44):
you know, you get to my era, we were still
like kind of like the last breed of like I'm
gonna fu up type of dudes. And then you continue
to transition and evolve and it's like it's like a
bunch of actors or like a bunch of celebrities, like
football players anymore are kind of like celebrities. They're they're
(25:06):
like literally not not so much football players. And you
have extras. It's so funny. You have the celebrities, the
main the main names, and then you have the extras.
Like every movie has to have its cast of main characters,
a roll a roll people, and then and then you
have your b rollers. You you have your your extras,
(25:29):
like the people that are there that make it work,
but you know, nobody really cares about them. But you
could still say, I was in the movie, I'm in
the show. You get a day rate. I think you
get a sad card. You know. That's kind of like
to me, that's kind of like what football is turning into. Man,
It's like, you know, everything else matters, Like the details
(25:50):
of it, I don't know that they matter as much anymore.
The the the intensity of it, I don't know that
it matters as much anymore. It's just more of a
production more than anything else, and just making sure that
you're just politically correct and you don't do anything that
paints you in this bad light. It's almost like CTE
(26:11):
when CTE era hit. It just crippled everything. It just
crippled everything, because it's like anytime you say something that
sounds or seems or like flirts with like pushing somebody,
it's like you don't care about the player, right, everything
is all about you don't care about the player anymore.
(26:32):
And that's kind of like it's like been to me.
It's been like a snowball effect through the years, and
it's with social media and the way things have changed
that way, and the engagement and the development of athletes
and players and people in general, and then with the
softening of the environment within football because of all of
(26:54):
the attacks that's on it. It's just a horrible that's
a horrible cocktail mikes. If you ask me, I love
LaVar a long Allan's because that as is stiff. It's
got strong ass alcohol in it. I could get to
where I'm trying to get to, you know what I mean.
It's just real watered down anymore. It's like a chaser
chaser culture anymore.
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So we mentioned this early on in the program for
those of you that are getting ready for Game four
of the NBA Finals, in which the Denver Nuggets find
themselves still a three and a half point favorite on
the road in Miami, and everyone's like, man, oh man,
we're going to be inundated with a preview of Game four,
(28:16):
this series that seems like it's over. Well, this is
the place for you, because it is a football Friday. Yeah,
football Friday, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Friday night.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It is.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Come yea Friday. You bet your shit ass to football
here on Fox Sports quick. Because that round of applause
not that damn. I just feel like it just comes
(28:50):
to the end so quickly. Yeah, what happened there? Man,
I have no idea, Hey, what that happens? I didn't know.
It just abruptly ended, like that story in my life.
Tell you that. But quite being, it is a football Friday,
(29:11):
and we must address the big story in the NFL
that came out yesterday, which was Dalvin Cook. Eventually, at
some point, probably today, is going to be released by
the Minnesota Vikings. We touched on why the move's being made.
It's a financial situation. He still seems like he's got
some production left in him. He's put up some decent numbers,
(29:33):
some good numbers rather over the past couple of years.
But the Minnesota Vikings have identified that we want to
go in a different direction. The cost of it, they
called it, Tom Pelasero talking with Rich Eyes in yesterday,
a competitive rebuild. I guess that's the terminology they're using
in Minnesota. But point being, Dalvin Cook is going to
(29:54):
find work elsewhere. And so one of the teams that's
been rumored, there's been a couple of them. Denver Broncos
are one. Another one has been the Miami Dolphins. Obviously
he's from Florida, played at Florida State would make some sense.
Dalvin Cook himself even posted a picture on his social
media of him dancing in a Vikings uniform but inside
(30:15):
hard Rock Stadium where the Dolphins play, and so a
lot of people see the Dolphins as the leader in
the clubhouse. When it comes to adding Dalvin Cook, well,
their head coach Mike McDaniel, who we now call LeVar McDaniel,
he was talking yesterday with the media about the current
(30:37):
running back room in Miami and then he was asked
about potentially adding Dalvin Cook and let's take a list.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
So the running back group, it's developed into a really
cool group. Very pumped to sign Rahiem and Jeff back
in the offseason. The Washington Boys have been outstanding as usual,
just getting better all the time with Essay and Miles,
(31:09):
and then you know, we have a couple of rookies
that have done a good job being rookies, which means.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Learning from mistakes.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
So overall, very happy with the way that practiced, Very
happy with.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
They're competitive, like camaraderie.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
They are all trying to be the best, but they're
not doing it in spite of each other. They recognize
that each each one of them can help each other
get better.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So it's been a cool camp for them.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Like a veteran running back from Minnesota Vikings who is
from Miami is supposedly going to be released today or
has been released. You have said that this team is
always seeking to upgrade.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Does that apply at running back? Right now?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
March third, nineteen eighty three day I was born?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Right now, we take a closer look at that date
and that in fact was not yesterday.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Okay, So people.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Are rumored to be tall, short, You're not going to
get this guy. I'm here too, okay. So what I
am excited about is talking about the most important thing,
which is.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
The third day of veteran mene camp. And we've got
a lot of guys that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Are good players that have an opportunity to get better.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Answer question, Hell no, no, you did it. He's fantastic. Man.
You liked That's so good. You know what it is.
It would be like if Bill Belichick smoked weed. That's
what it sounds like. He just sort of kind of
goes off on things you don't expect him to go off.
(33:01):
We didn't need to know your birthday because it didn't
I wasn't born yesterday, Like just say I wasn't born
yesterday and give give explanation. He sounds way more confident though,
Like I can't even do my my impressions of him
anymore because his voice has more confidence in it than
(33:22):
it did last year. Well, I think he's got more energy.
By about week eight, we'll hear it again. Yeah, that's fatigal,
especially if they if they come out and uh, you know,
to his out injured again and dealing with whatever he's
dealing with. And I think we'll get more fatigue when
he has to explain why why jiu jitsu and kung
(33:43):
fu didn't help him to not get thrown to the
flung to the ground the way that he did last season.
He's going to sound the same right now. He's got
a whole lot of confidence in his voice. Though it's
not it's not like the elle. It's like, well, I
(34:04):
was born March twenty fourth, nineteen eighty three. Yeah, that
wasn't yesterday. I mean, I think he's awesome. You love him.
It's a breath of fresh air. You don't think so sure?
I mean, listen, there's a lot of just canned answer.
I'm not a non fan of of Mike McDaniel. I'm
(34:27):
not a non fan. You just do an impression of him.
I mean, but not this latest Mike McDaniel. He's new
too cool. He's way too cool, although he still sounds
like a high school kid interviewing, like he doesn't come
across as an adult. For some reason, he doesn't sound
like an adult. He just sounds like a high school
(34:49):
kid trying to figure out how to answer questions. Straight hipster,
I mean, he's straight hipster. You know, he's in South Beach.
You know he's feeling more confident. Hipsters are taking over
than thattional football league. Man, you know, I mean I
blame the hipsters. What happened with Urban Meyer. We time, Yeah,
(35:10):
we talk about what Nick Sirianni did with Jalen Hurts.
I mean, look to a tug of Iloa outside of
the injuries, played pretty damn well last year. They were
playing well until he got hurt. And so Mike McDaniel
has done kind of the same thing where they just
needed somebody that had their back, and with what Brian
(35:31):
Flores did in Miami and that whole thing that happened,
to see where Tua is at now that there's potential
that Miami is a legitimate team and a legitimate contender
like Mike McDaniel's got to get some of that. I mean,
I don't know, if you know, I don't know what
was in the what was in the vape that he
that he brought with him to South Beach? Was it
(35:52):
cherry red? Is that a flavor? I'm not quite sure.
But you know, the point is, if you're the Dolphin
is there's gonna be some optimism there, and you got
a head coach that can take a question about Dalvin
Cook and turn it into whatever his horoscope was that day.
Do they still have the red soda with with the
(36:12):
you know's? It would probably be considered inappropriate now, But
it was just for the sake of saying what it was.
They had a drink called Cherokee Red Lee. Can you
look that up? Does that still existly? Cherokee Red? And
it was a really cheap soda, but it was a
really good soda. I remember looking this up in the past.
(36:39):
I believe they changed the name of it. Why the
hell would you be looking that up in the past.
I think we brought it up. I brought it up
on this I don't remember that I may have. Is
it so what they changed it to? I think it's
still Cherokee red, how about it? Yeah, look at that,
it's Cherokee. It's not popular enough to get canceled yet,
(37:02):
I guess, no discontinued.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
It made a short comeback several years ago, but it's
no longer.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
By the way, have you have you walked through like
in some markets they'll have the vintage sodas around still
where you get like they'll have it in bottles, like
old school vintage sodas, like you can get like an
orange crush and a bottle. You can get an R
C Cola in a bottle, like if you like, just
taking a look at the back at the amount of
(37:35):
sugar that was in those things the most racist so ever, God,
it's that's what to hit lads. We look at that logo,
I mean, look at that logo. Why not why not
rename it commander read? Yeah, please do, but just call
it Cherry Ridge if you would. If you go through
(37:58):
like some of those vintagetis and look at the amount
of sugar in those things, Oh, it's like sugar. And
we rifled through those as kids, like not a worry
in the world, and every dentist everywhere was like chi ching,
what are you doing? Like just getting destroying your mouth
to your kids that you'd be wondering, you'd be sitting down,
(38:18):
like you ain't sitting down. No, go outside and play.
That's where it's that's where go outside and play came from, right.
You know. People don't say go outside and play anymore.
It's kind of crazy. They say, put on your iPad
and then go outside and play totally wings revenge or
whatever it is. But when you was drinking all that soda, man,
(38:41):
you had to get them out. You had to get
that up out of you. Like how did we run
around and play after drinking all that soda? Well you
had to or you'd have been nine hundred pounds. God,
you had to run it off quick. It was quick energy. Yeah,
quick energy. That's nasty, man. It wasn't. It wasn't sustainable
injury like some grits or some some some oatmeal. It
(39:04):
was just quick energy. You know. You had to burn
it off though. By the way, can you imagine like
you didn't gain any weight. Get the crap we used
to eat. It was awesome, all the trans fat that
we used to eat. Remember Swiss cake rolls, the little
little Debbie ste Yeah, man, do throw those in the
fridge for like a half hour, stomach burning listening to
(39:27):
us talk about junk food because that was all the
stuff we could get away with. And then you hit
like your thirties, and all of a sudden, your body goes, hey, dummy,
what are you doing? Yeah, you're not fortymore. In fact,
let me show you this. Yeah, and your belly is
sitting on your legs right, and then you're you're obese.
(39:47):
And then you have to look at yourself in the
mirror with with all that junk that's caught up to
your belly. Do you eat pizza when you were a kid?
This is my favorite food? Okay, right, so how many
slices of eat it? When you were a kid could
you eat? I feel like at what point, like high school?
High school, I could I could rifle through two boxes. Yeah,
(40:10):
if you had, if you had half a box. Now
I can't. I can probably do two pieces out most.
I can't eat very much. What is that?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
The the the bigger our bodies got the smaller our
stomachs because we weren't we weren't see the younger we were.
Our metabolism was firing really really fast. It was moving
like you could do it because you were burning it immediately.
Like the older we get we're not burning We're not
burning them calories like we used to. Because nowadays, like
(40:42):
the crust is really the great divide because if you
because look, you could go three slices, but not if
you're eating the crust on the first two. You eat
the crust on the first two. Then you're out of there.
And my fat ass is sitting down for a half
hour going hold on a second, like I need to
decide whether or not I'm going to keep this in
or this is gonna leave my body right now. Like
(41:02):
it's just it's a bad situation. But when you're younger,
you can do anything, including rifle a couple of slices
and drink a cherry red afterwards. Cherry red the most races,
the most racist drink ever, tang. We used to have
them joints at every family reunion. By the way, who
thought that was a good idea to name it? I mean,
(41:24):
I mean, but it was popular. I don't know about
on the West coast, but on the East coast, that
bad boy, that that soda was popular, definitely in the South.
The one that we would do, we called it pop too.
You know where I come from, we call it pop.
Like I didn't. I didn't stop calling soda pop until
(41:45):
I got to the league. I said pop all the
way up until and my parents still say, my family,
everybody's he wants some pop. You want to get a glass?
Let's bring that back on the West coast. That mean,
did they ever say papa on the West Coast? My
dad said it because he grew up in Illinois, but yeah,
(42:07):
he never like soda. Yeah, let me get it. What's
pop next? Soda pop? Yeah? Like that's like this called
it soda. I got to the point of where I
just started calling it the flavors, like you go to
a draft through. When I first started, like at college
and stuff, I'd be like, yeah, could I can I
get get an orange pop? Like?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, I woke up to go give me a cold pop.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
And I said, Lord Jesus fun.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I said, oh, Lord Jesus, it's a far far. Then
I ran out.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I didn't grab me. I got no time rating for
my life, for my life, Sam, You're an idiot. Ain't
nobody I don't do time for no fire. This is
this is how I knew that we were struggling financially
growing up. But I went to the fridge and there
(43:03):
was no pepsi. It was just shasta. And then when
I went to the cupboard to get some cheerios and
it was toasted O's in a bag. That's how you knew.
It's like, oh, no, one of the lights are off.
No oneder the lights were off. But I get it.
That makes some sense, Uh, the most races. So remember
(43:30):
it is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, and that'll it'll cover our discussion
about the Dolphins running back room. So we're able to
tie that all together. Damn detours. So that's what I
were on this show. But listen, Dalvin Cook could be
(43:51):
a dolphin very soon if you believe of this segment
what we were trying to get through that there's strong
possibility that doubt and Cook. So there we go.
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