June 12, 2023 • 41 mins
The guys preview Game 5 of the NBA Finals with their prediction on who will come out on top tonight, Jamal Adams updates on his injury and when he is supposed to return, LaVar gives his on point of view on athletes and the way they carry themselves—He also talks about his own career and reflects. Plus, we get another segment of You in or Out?
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be all over after tonight. It could be Ye, could
be all over, could be the the Miami heat and
hashtag heat culture. Yeah, ye could be a wrap.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It just comes down to whether the balls are real
or if they're toy balls. I think that that's what
it's all going up, like, that's how that's how it's
going to all shake out. Is that we just gotta
we just got to know early on in the game.
Are these balls real or are they toys?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Props, No, I hear. You just used to you know,
just to entertain and you know, make people feel a
certain type of way as if those balls were real,
but they weren't real. Yeah, and then there needs to
be an investigation of it. But anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It just it does feel like, uh, I mean, we're
four games into the series. If Denver would have just
done their job and then closed out Game two, we'd
be moving on with our lives. So that I got
a problem with. I also have a problem with the
fact that we got to wait till tonight for them
to close the coffin. Can we just can we could
we've done this last night?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Does the coffin get closed tonight? It's over, dude, It
would have been better if it happened on a Sunday.
I will say that that that's kind of a strange
thing to me to put it on a Monday. It
almost seems I don't know, it just doesn't seem right
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for it to be on a Monday when you could
have played it on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Like, I get the whole well, we want to give
them time, rest and recovery. I mean, does it How
long is a flight from Denver to Miami?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Ethan?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Can you look that up? How long is a flight
from Denver to Miami? Was it three and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Four hours? Four hours? Yeah? Probably four hours? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like you gave them a day off in between, yeah,
four hours, So you gave him a day off in between.
Like that's not enough time. You got to give them
an extra day. Let's really build this thing up for
a Monday night. Let's it's like, come on, dude, let's
speed this up. Stop milking it for every turn and
everything you possibly want to preview and everything you want
to break down and let's get this thing wrapped up
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and move on with our lives. It's over, it's over.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't know, man, It's just like it's one of
those things where they can put together one game, and
it's interesting because they've done it kind of all playoffs long.
So if it's if it's any any indicator from the
earlier series that they've been a part of, I mean
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they they you know, I don't know, they kind of
did it in reverse with Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But it just, you know, what's kind of crazy about
the heat, like because everyone's like celebrating the heat. You know,
they're two and six in their last eight playoff games.
It's kind of wild, right, and yet the conversation is, man,
oh man, that what a threat? This team is literally
two and six their last eight games, not even but
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it's just kind of well, you know, it's the heat,
and you watch these two teams play, and there's a
level that Denver gets to that Miami doesn't come close to.
Like Jokic doesn't even play all that well. Like it
was the last game. I mean, he was good, but
he wasn't like he was in previous games. And there's
Aaron Gordon with like what twenty seven. Like, just like
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Denver has so much more to provide offensively. When somebody's
hitting a little bit of a dry streak that Miami
just can't do, Like, they just can't do it, and
you see it play out when they're on the court together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was crazy watching Aaron Gordon hit them threes. Man,
he he wouldn't miss. He ain't even miss until later
on in the game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That guy was in the Slam Dunk contest years ago, right,
and now he's a three point shooter in the finals.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right. Score. I don't know, but I will say this,
Miami has the propensity to win these games. I would
not be surprised if Miami extends the series another game.
I just I wouldn't. Bam gives them hope. You know, Jimmy,
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Jimmy is the leader, He's the He's you know, he's
the guy. They're going to need a heroic effort from
those two and some contributions. They're going to need contributions
if they If those two can can play, I mean,
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Bam made his money this year. Kle Lee, he made
his money this year. If you ask me, if those
two can play out of their minds in this game,
and get just a little bit of help. I think
they win this game, man, I do, but I would
not be surprised if either way. I just I would
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not be surprised if the series ends tonight. I wouldn't
be surprised if Miami grabs a hold of this game
tonight and wins this game. That's kind of how Miami
has been kind of unpredictable.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets,
he talked about what could be the issues with this
close out game coming up later on tonight in Denver.
Let's take a listen to the Nuggets head coach.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
My biggest concern going into any close out game is
human nature and fighting against that. You know, you're up
three to one, and you know most teams when you're
up three one, they come up for air, they relax
and they just kind of take it for granted that
we're going to win this. And the neat thing for
us is that going back to the bubble. You know,
we've been down three one before and we've come back
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in one, and we know anything as possible. And that's why,
like my message to our team before we came down
to the media and the open portion of practices was
our approach has to be that we're down three to one.
You know, they're desperate. We have to be more desperate.
They're hungry. We have to be hungrier. And there is
no celebrating after Game four. We have another game that
we have to win, and to close that game is
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always the hardest game ever. So I'm looking forward to
seeing our approach. You know, we had it in Game
six against Phoenix, we had it in Game five against Minnesota,
we had it in Game four against the Lakers. And
my hope is that tomorrow night, in front of just
an unbelievable crowd, incredible environment, that our players understand the
opportunity in front of them and take full advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Hey, Mike, don't worry about it. You're an NBA champion
in a few hours from now. Do't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I like it O I like his thought process and
I like his approach, But I will say that's impossible.
You're not going to convince a team that's up three
to one.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like everybody out everyone of that team's like, man, we
need three more to win this thing, Like come on, man,
we need one more. All we need is a good
second half. If we're if we're struggling early and then
next thing, you know, we're NBA champions.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a throwaway game too. I mean, let's be clear.
And that's what he's basically saying is you have to
fight against the throwaway game because the throwaway game is
a pivotal game, right, It's a pivotal game for both teams.
The one that has a three, three to one lead,
it's pivotal to them because they don't have another throwaway game.
You can't say going into game six that that's a
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throwaway game because if the team that's down wins, it's
an even series. And now you face you face being
a you know, you face losing that series. But if
I'm the team that's down one, I got one win
and I'm down two games and I get this game back,
now you're looking at it like we're only one game
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away from tying this thing up. Like it's a much
different proposition than saying we got to win back to
back games.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Kenny Smith talked about this before. I've heard him talk
about it because I think he was part of a
Rockets team that was down three to one against I
want to say Portland back in the day. I want
to say it was Portland. But his point was when
you're down three to one and say you're going on
the road like Miami is, he goes, you're only focused
(09:09):
on this game, he said, because there's that's all you have.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, and also he said, because there's no way you're
losing back at home. He goes, like, the whole point
is in a situation where you're trying to get back home,
like once you win that tough road game in a
close out situation and you get back home, that's not
the one you're.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Worried about now, Jonas in the case of Boston, you
only have one game, but you think about it. If
they lose, it's over.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But his point is when you're thinking long term, like
we need to get back in this series and we're
down three to one, his point is like, I'm not
even worried about game six because Game six were gonna win.
He goes, I'm worried about this one in game seven
because if we get this one, there's not a shot
in hell you're losing.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He's He's lived it, so I'll go with that. But
I'm just saying there's no reason to worry about saying
and you're gonna win any games beyond this game, There's
no reason to because that's the only game you had left.
This is literally their last game if they do not win,
So this is their last game. That is not the
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same for Denver. So I don't care how many mind
games you want to play, how many conversations you want
to have with your players. Them players know, if we
lose this game, we got another game. If we lose
that game, we got another game. We have two games
to be able to to kind of get ourselves together
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and not not lose this series. Two games, and it's
really three, if we're being honest, it's really three games.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
This is why Boston losing that game seven was so disappointing,
because they did all that work to get back into
to get back and that just came out and creese themselves, well.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know, it's just what it is. But hey, that's
that's the point is though, when you only got one game.
Believe me, when when you're doing something and you know
this is it, like this is the last of it,
you just tend to do it differently. Like there's a
different level of intensity, right, Like there's a different, at
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least you would hope that there's a different level of
intensity when you're talking about this is our last opportunity,
it's yours. Like in that Boston situation, it was both
teams last situation to win, right, so the scenario was
evened up, so it's different, Like the energy level is
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different for both teams because that is the same scenario
for both teams. It's like being it's well, I guess
you can't really compare it to football because it's like
everybody's in the same scenario because it's a one game loss,
you go home. But it's just to me. When I
was in school, the most intriguing thing was if you lost,
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you were basically out of the national title running. You
were out of it. Yeah, So so that idea of
knowing that every single game you played mattered, like even
the first ones you couldn't lose against the scrimmage games.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Didn't like didn't you were telling me, was it your
final year Penn State that you guys lost a game
and you ended up losing the next two because because
we gave up. Yeah, because it was kind of like
at that point, no national title side and that sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That sucks because they did not have the playoff back then.
Like we you know, who knows we might you know,
we we pull it together and we went against Michigan.
We went against Michigan State. We make it into the playoffs. Boom.
Now now all bets are off because we were in theory.
To me, we were the best team in the country
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that year. I don't think it was Florida State. I
don't think it was Virginia Tech. We were the best
team in that country and and we had one loss,
and it was a horrible loss. We should have we
should have done more, and we didn't do more, and
we ended up losing that game by a field goal,
last second field goal. There was a hell mary throw
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and a field goal. We lose to the Gophers of Minnesota,
and it derailed our whole season. But the point is is,
you know what we felt after that despair, pain, sorrow,
and we still had games to play left, but we
knew that our chances were gone. It was gone for
us to be able to play for a national title.
So we lost. We kept losing. We dropped three straights
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two straight after that first loss. So I'm just saying
that that element of what he said human human nature
to not allow yourself to, you know, just let it
get away. Miami is going to come out with that.
If he could convince Denver to come out and they're
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playing on that level and they're actually matching the intensity
of Miami, then he's a better coach than what most
coaches are, because it's very difficult to convince a team
that's up two games that they're the team that's down
two games. It's just it's just it's just it's just
difficult to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Now you've got the DraftKings line that has the Denver
Nuggets a nine point favorite. So if you're feeling froggy
and you want to jump on Miami, you're getting nine
points a courtesy of our friends at DraftKings. If you're interested,
just letting you know if you feel confident in the
Miami Heat nine point underdogs here heading into this potential
season ending situation. But tell you what, I wouldn't worry
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about it. If you're in South Beach right now, I
wouldn't even worry about it. Don't even worry about how
much it's going to cost to get you into Game six,
because you ain't getting there. It's getting closed out tonight. Now,
whether or not they do by nine points, I don't know,
but I think it gets closed.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Down to bet some pole humps.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, I don't want to bet pole humps.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, I mean, I don't want to take your money.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm not going to stand outside and fake hump a poll.
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And then we posted on social media. I'm not interested.
Everybody can consume it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I'm not interested. You know, I'd like to I'd like
some sort of dignity. I don't have to explain to
my kid fifteen years from now. He yeah, Dad, what's
this about?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, at least you're admitting that Miami is probably going
to win the night.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
See, now I've gotten everybody their fair opportunity.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's like, hey, Dad, you know you said you never
had an affair on mom. But what's this?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, listen, you know, why are you janis? Dad? Why
are you janis? What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well? Son? This one time I said about Tony Romo.
Oh you know, Son, give me a butt.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Lie, let's talk for a bite. You know, I'll explain
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
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Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, but I'm telling you these running backs are giving
people that heartburn man, that acid reflecting this next guy
you're go and bring up Well, he's probably doing the
same exact thing for the people that are paying him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. Jamal Adams, by the way, not somebody that's been
talked about in quite some time. And that's because Jamal
Adams suffered the torn quad.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Which is like a horrible injury. Man. I've torn my
quad before. It's a horrible injury. Man. Yeah, I pulled it,
which a pool is a tear. But that is not
an easy injury man, by the way, at all.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you ever hear the story about Vincement, man?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Uh, yeah, when he ran into I saw the video
of it. He tore both of them.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Right McMahon. So what happened was there was supposed to
be a spot I think it was the Royal Rumble
where there was supposed to be a spot where two
of the wrestlers would go over the top rope, but
one of them would hit first and be eliminated and
the other guy would win. But it was supposed to
be like a razor thin decision, like just when you
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saw it, it was in just a split second difference,
and there would be some controversy. The problem was both
guys inadvertently hit at the same time on the ground,
so there was no way they could decide with all
the evidence that one person had won and the other
had one. So Vince McMahon, thinking on the fly, ran
down to the ring. Is just to try and add
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add a little something to the to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The kop and literally added to the ko.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yes, jumped in the ring.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He did some.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
He tore both quads at the same time, and he
couldn't stand up and so good the wrestlers and the
people in the ring were saying after the after, like
in interviews years later, they were like, yeah, They're like,
we didn't know what he was doing. He was just
flopping around on the ground, like what are you doing?
Like why are you down here? And what are you doing?
He tore both quads. I can't even imagine just that
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pain that he was going through. But Jamal Adams tore
his squad Week one, which was obviously this season opener
against the Denver Broncos and Russell Wilson and all that
that fiasco that took place, and Jamal Adams, if you
actually look at what he's done since he's gotten to
Seattle Man, not really all that much I mean he
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got paid. You know, Saquon Barkley's looking for a contract,
Josh Jacobs is looking for a contract, and Jamal Adams
got paid. But you know, the Seattle gave up a
bunch of draft picks. They made the trade. They gave
up two first round picks to bring him in from
the Jets, and then he ended up signing a short
time later a four year, seventy million dollar contract and
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he's played thirteen games since. So for all the success
that Seattle's had in the draft last year, trading away
Russell Wilson and everything that they've done since, then, damn
that Jamal Adams contracts look looks worse and worse. And
I don't is coming back from a torn quad is
that a you can be one hundred percent again?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, he can, he can because can be one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Pet Carol was saying that him being ready for the
start of the season might be pushing it a little bit.
So we're looking at a full year that he will
have missed due to this injury. And he's dealt with
injuries in the past as well too. Obviously the thirteen
games and signing the contract, but and this guy was
one of the best players at his position, an All Pro,
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and it just has not worked out for him.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, The interesting thing about it his first season, well,
second season, first and second season with the Seahawks I
thought were very very productive years. I mean he had
he's one of those safeties. The reason why he's so
va valuable is because he is a game changing safety.
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You have safeties that can play the game. You have
players that can play the game, but you don't always
have game changers like they had two at one point
with Chancellor and with Thomas, and I think they've been
trying to find that. His first two seasons there, they're
bro He had almost ten sacks as a safety, And
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to put that in the proper context, that's linebacker numbers,
that's that's defensive end numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think he led the team in sacks that year,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's a lot of guy dang sacks. Man. That's that's
a lot of work for safety, which means that he's
playing multiple positions because you're probably bringing him up into
the box. When you bring him up closer to the
line of scrimmage, you're giving him the opportunity to be
able to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So to me, that year he was and he did
that in twelve games, by the way.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean, that's to me, he showed in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one that he deserved to get the extension
that he did. Now, granty, he went from nine sacks
to no sacks in twenty one, which is that's rare.
I wonder if that was it was a coaching change.
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I would assume that there was a coaching change there,
and then there was a change of philosophy and how
he was being used. But his numbers went up, and
both combined and excuse me, both numbers in tackles and
assisted tackles went up from the year before, although not
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crazy amount, but it went up. Nonetheless, Then he gets injured.
I mean, first game of the year, you get injured.
I mean, there's to me, I don't think this was
a horrible investment. And I still don't think it was
a horrible investment. I just think that it will It
was horrible. It was just it was horrible that he
got hurt. Yeah, it's horrible that he got hurt. Everybody
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was expecting him to come in and they were looking
for him to be this game changer that they saw
him being with the Jets, and he kind of was.
He really kind of was. He just was not getting
that type of that type of recognition that way, because
I think that they had put the they put the
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legion of boom on top of him, and if he
wasn't playing like that, or the defense wasn't playing like that,
or the team wasn't playing like that, then it was
going to be a miss. I don't think Jamal Adams
has been a miss for them. I just think that
the injury was unfortunate for him and unfortunate for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Only twenty seven years old, will turn twenty eight in October.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's old though. That's I mean, safeties can
do it for a longer time than anybody else, but
that's still that's close.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The way like he's he's aggressive.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Although I was done with the league by twenty seven.
That was done, man, Yeah, I was done.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, but he also had twenty You've been playing for
twenty years at that point, correct.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean, if you're counting every level, I mean, I
guess you could say that, but I had only played
what seven years of pro and I was done.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, that's enough.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I mean, once you blow your achilles tendon, like,
I'm glad I'm not one of these guys. And I
got to I gotta call this out and put this
on blast because I heard this almost every every weekend.
By the way, when I go out, I do, I
go out and I'll see a guy, or I'll be
in the gym and I'll see a guy and the
guy looks like he played pro or looks like he
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played ball, you know, maybe major college whatever. Stop telling
like like whether it be women, man or child, all right, woman,
man or child, Stop telling people and the injury is
the reason why you you didn't play, Like, stop using that,
like stop unless you played in the league or you
(27:09):
played at a major college. Stop telling people you got
injured and that's why you didn't make it or you
don't play anymore. Stop saying that. Stop using that as
a story.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Hey bet that's the only hope they got, Man, something
it is.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It is the worst story ever. I'm just I'm just
here to let you guys know, if you're listening, I'm
putting you up on some serious game here. Man. Stop
saying if somebody's like talking to you even like the
worst is when it's unsolicited. The second worst is if
you ask somebody like, oh that you you're talking to me,
(27:44):
were talking football? Do oh did you play? Like just
say you played, like, yes, I played. I played ball
like I played for a little bit, you know, and
you know, you know how life happens, like broh, yeah,
life happens.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay. But let me ask you this when when you
ask somebody did you play, what do you consider quote
unquote play you played? Okay?
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Like you.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Played okay, so I payed.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I don't care if you played right. I played live
in that living there you go, living that. I don't
care if you play pee wee lea football, Pop Warner football.
If you played the game, you played the game. You
don't have to sit there and qualify and be like,
yeah I played. Then I just ripped my shoulder all
(28:30):
the way out like it was on hanging.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
By one friend level.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's why I had to stop playing, Like yeah, it
was like the worst injury ever, man, I'm telling you.
They did all kinds of scans and MRIs I said,
just put it back together, Doc, I want to keep playing,
and they just couldn't do it. And I was just
never the same and you know. After that, I've just
I've just tried to figure it out. You know, I've
fought of diction. You know, I've fought all kinds of
(28:55):
different things. Hey man, look here, man, I don't even
want to know all that. I really don't like, and
neither does anyone else. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
if you was trying to game the shorty at at
the bar or at the restaurant or whatever it was,
and that was what you used, you lost. And you
don't know where you lost, at what moment in time
during your your your game that you were spitting, that
(29:17):
was it. Yeah, that was where you lost. Don't tell
people you got injured. Just say I played well to
your play point.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I actually back in the day, so I had an
elbow issue. And I know, I know, but I'm so
I'm providing proof that it doesn't work for anybody to
try to pull this off at a bar. So I had.
I had a hurt elbow and I had like this
like k neoprene sleeve that I had to keep on
it because it's I mean, it's still messing.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Theoprees are big time in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like, and so I had one of those that I
had to keep on at all times. And at that
point I was working at Toys r US. I was
working in the stock room at Toys r Us, so
I had to wear because we were lifting, like you know,
ty and all these sort of like toy trucks and
things like that, these big wheels and all that. Well,
we went to UCSB, like because it's about forty five
(30:10):
minutes up north cal Santa Barbara, and there's a place
called Ila Vista, and Ilavista is like one of the
great party areas at any college anywhere. And so we're
walking around and my go to when I would meet
like women is I would tell them because I didn't
want to be honest and say, yeah, I work in
the stock room at Toys r us so, because I
(30:31):
had the sleeve on, I said, yeah, I actually go
to Duke. I'm red shirting this year because I had
elbow surgery, but I'm hoping to get back next year
and hopefully Coach k is going to use me. Never
one time did it work, Not one single time. I
don't even think the conversation got much further than cool.
You're wearing a neoprene sleeve at a party in college.
(30:52):
That's really sweet. So to your point, for those of
you losers who were using the injury tactic to try
and tell somebody on your college athletic or pro athletic dreams,
just stop. It's not working and never did and it's
never going to. So I'm with you, it's not going
to work. I'm an example.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't care how old you are. I don't care
how young you are. It's gonna it's going to be
received the same way like, dude, you weren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Damn Payne Med's man, that's why you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like now Now now it goes from now, it goes
from you were actually having an impactful conversation to now
they're looking at you like you're really a loser, Like
I thought you could have been a winner, and you
even look like you're a winner, like because you get
those guys, they really look like you see some guys
jacked up, like man, like to the as you would
(31:44):
say to the Jews, right, and you're like, man, you know,
every once in a while you hear you know, you
play you play ball, huh yeah, but I tore my
knee out, Like that's the first thing they go to,
tore my knee. You know things didn't work out. It's like, okay, man,
Like just say you played. I'm telling you, that's the
(32:07):
best game I gave all show long. Like you can
hate on me and say I do a terrible part
in this show. That's fine, that's on you, Kick Rocks.
But I'm just telling you this is the dopest advice
I'm giving you. If you're a dude that played ball
at any level at any time, and your go to
story when you're talking about football is that I did play,
(32:27):
but I got injured and that's why I'm not playing,
don't use it anymore. Just do away with it. Don't
ever say I stopped playing or I'm not playing, or
I didn't make it because of an injury. Don't do it.
Don't do it that makes you look like the biggest
like you are the biggest tool. Oh my gosh, Oh
my god. I don't even like people knowing that I play.
(32:50):
I just had this big problem that I can't get
rid of. I'm big, I'm tall, and I'm black. Like
people all the time, right, don't you did what I'm saying?
Like I go out and it's like, oh you played basketball,
Like one time, I went to this place. There's a
whole lot of short people. They are like, yeah, that NBA.
You NBA. Like, no, not NBA, man, not NBA. And
(33:11):
I'm not offering but I'm NFL. I'm not offering that.
I don't go in with what I used to do.
You know, I played football. My last year was two
thousand and six. Two thousand and six. I am not
leading a conversation with saying, oh, yeah, I played football.
(33:32):
You know why I'm not playing anymore. Shred a my
achilles tendon. That was the end of it for me.
People still sitting here thinking I had to retire because
of a motorcycle accident. I was done. I was so
far gone from playing playing football. I was chasing adrenaline.
That's why I was on motorcycle. So I did not
retire based off of a motorcycle accident. That's like in
(33:54):
so many different reports. I retired because I was done.
Like I was done, Like I wasn't going to have
a Hall of Fame career. My body was falling apart,
and I could care less about what anybody had thought
at that point in time. So I called it a day,
didn't decide to retire, didn't hold, no press conference, didn't
have the big Tarry I reveal and stuff like that.
(34:15):
I was out. I was done done. So there you go.
And I don't blame it on on an achilles tendon tear.
I just it was time. It was time. I'm glad
you stop using that.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm glad you walked away because you and I get
to do the show togain.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
There you go, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
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here Fox Sports Radio. So we are going to have
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Speaker 2 (34:38):
So sick and tired of hearing y'all come back saying
because of your injury, stop using that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But for all the latest from around the world of sports. First,
let's go over to somebody who's definitely not a douchebag.
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Speaker 6 (34:51):
I would definitely never try and tell someone I I
got injured and didn't blamey where else. Also wouldn't try
and tell someone I gonna play basketball.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Dude, you didn't really do that. I've tried everything I.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Told.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I told you so I was ashamed. I think I
was out of work at the time, and I told
some a woman at a bar she asked, so what
do you do? And on the TV was the Australian Open,
And I told her professional tennis player. It was like,
I was like usual suspects where I just saw stuff
on the wall and yeah, I should have just said
that I was like a professional tennis player. I'm like,
(35:30):
why did I say that?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
In that barbershop quartet that's so good, so good?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It just yeah, it never worked, never worked, Jonas and uh.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, verbal man, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
NBA Finals resuming tonight, Game five in Denver, Nuggets looking
to wrap it up against the Heat eight thirty pm Eastern.
They'll get it under way Denver with a three one
series lead, looking for their first ever NBA title and
trying to get it on their home court, where they're
nine to one so far this postseason. Tennis Novak Djokovic,
who Jonas probably tried to impersonate at one time, Yeah,
recorded his record setting twenty thirty Grand Slam title, taking
(36:13):
the French Open, and then he now has one more
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Nick Taylor has seventy two foot putt for eagle in
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Canadian Open in sixty nine years. In baseball, you had
the Rays beating the Rangers seven to three in a
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win of the season ten and one for Tampa Bay.
That leads the Major Leagues and wins, and the Rays
(36:34):
lead the Majors in wins as well forty eight and twenty.
Now with that latest victory, Diamondback score four in the
ninth rally to beat the Tigers seven to five. Arizona
on top of the NL West. They get the sweep
of Detroit, which has now dropped nine straight. Pirates over
the Mets two to one. Andrew McCutcheon gets his two
thousandth career hit for Pittsburgh in that win. They're a
game up on Milwaukee with the top spot in the
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Anal Central because the Brewers were swept by the A's
losing eight to six on Sunday. That's the first sweep
this season for Oakland. They've got just seventeen wins on
the air, but they've now won five in a row.
Braves lose it home to the National six to two.
Was the Twins losing in the Blue Jay seven to six.
Minnesota still in first in the Al Central despite being
five hundred on the season. Thirty three and thirty three
Orioles wrap up a sweep of the Royals with an
(37:15):
eleven three win. Phillies beat the Dodgers seven to three.
LA used eight pitchers in nine innings in that loss,
and the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the Bronx
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Speaker 1 (39:57):
So again, lead to labs not here, screw him? Got
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Speaker 5 (40:02):
We got an exciting week here in Los Angeles. Uh,
this Friday blank one two is in town? Are you
guys in or out out?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I'm out?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
That's what I thought. I thought you'd be in the
absolutely not like I blink is blank with Travis? Yeah,
I might be in, might be. He's a talented drummer,
like super talented guy. One of the guys also a
UFO freak, like really into it? Well, come on, So
I don't know if I necessarily believe in UFOs. I
(40:37):
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Speaker 2 (40:42):
I give it? And are you or are you out?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah?
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All right, here's one. You go to a barbershop, you
get haircuts, there's like this this little trend or this
little fat where you get somebody's face, like it's like
artwork and your haircut. Really and I saw one where Okay,
you want to see it, I'll send you one like
somebody I saw one where they did Lebron James. Are
(41:10):
you in or out on getting your favorite actor, athlete,
whatever it may be?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
So?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Are you are you in on getting them? You know,
artworked into your haircut?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Can't I just buy a T shirt or a jersey?
Like if I really like them that much? Why do
I get to like put them in my hair, all right.
I just sent it to y'all like I'm so out
on this. In fact, I'm so far out on this
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
It makes me wonder what type of a person you
are to actually get another another person's face cut to
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be all over after tonight. It could be Ye, could
be all over, could be the the Miami heat and
hashtag heat culture. Yeah, ye could be a wrap.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It just comes down to whether the balls are real
or if they're toy balls. I think that that's what
it's all going up, like, that's how that's how it's
going to all shake out. Is that we just gotta
we just got to know early on in the game.
Are these balls real or are they toys?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Props, No, I hear. You just used to you know,
just to entertain and you know, make people feel a
certain type of way as if those balls were real,
but they weren't real. Yeah, and then there needs to
be an investigation of it. But anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It just it does feel like, uh, I mean, we're
four games into the series. If Denver would have just
done their job and then closed out Game two, we'd
be moving on with our lives. So that I got
a problem with. I also have a problem with the
fact that we got to wait till tonight for them
to close the coffin. Can we just can we could
we've done this last night?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Does the coffin get closed tonight? It's over, dude, It
would have been better if it happened on a Sunday.
I will say that that that's kind of a strange
thing to me to put it on a Monday. It
almost seems I don't know, it just doesn't seem right
(02:37):
for it to be on a Monday when you could
have played it on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Like, I get the whole well, we want to give
them time, rest and recovery. I mean, does it How
long is a flight from Denver to Miami?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Ethan?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Can you look that up? How long is a flight
from Denver to Miami? Was it three and a half?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Four hours? Four hours? Yeah? Probably four hours? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like you gave them a day off in between, yeah,
four hours, So you gave him a day off in between.
Like that's not enough time. You got to give them
an extra day. Let's really build this thing up for
a Monday night. Let's it's like, come on, dude, let's
speed this up. Stop milking it for every turn and
everything you possibly want to preview and everything you want
to break down and let's get this thing wrapped up
(03:15):
and move on with our lives. It's over, it's over.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't know, man, It's just like it's one of
those things where they can put together one game, and
it's interesting because they've done it kind of all playoffs long.
So if it's if it's any any indicator from the
earlier series that they've been a part of, I mean
(03:40):
they they you know, I don't know, they kind of
did it in reverse with Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But it just, you know, what's kind of crazy about
the heat, like because everyone's like celebrating the heat. You know,
they're two and six in their last eight playoff games.
It's kind of wild, right, and yet the conversation is, man,
oh man, that what a threat? This team is literally
two and six their last eight games, not even but
(04:08):
it's just kind of well, you know, it's the heat,
and you watch these two teams play, and there's a
level that Denver gets to that Miami doesn't come close to.
Like Jokic doesn't even play all that well. Like it
was the last game. I mean, he was good, but
he wasn't like he was in previous games. And there's
Aaron Gordon with like what twenty seven. Like, just like
(04:29):
Denver has so much more to provide offensively. When somebody's
hitting a little bit of a dry streak that Miami
just can't do, Like, they just can't do it, and
you see it play out when they're on the court together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It was crazy watching Aaron Gordon hit them threes. Man,
he he wouldn't miss. He ain't even miss until later
on in the game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That guy was in the Slam Dunk contest years ago, right,
and now he's a three point shooter in the finals.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right. Score. I don't know, but I will say this,
Miami has the propensity to win these games. I would
not be surprised if Miami extends the series another game.
I just I wouldn't. Bam gives them hope. You know, Jimmy,
(05:19):
Jimmy is the leader, He's the He's you know, he's
the guy. They're going to need a heroic effort from
those two and some contributions. They're going to need contributions
if they If those two can can play, I mean,
(05:39):
Bam made his money this year. Kle Lee, he made
his money this year. If you ask me, if those
two can play out of their minds in this game,
and get just a little bit of help. I think
they win this game, man, I do, but I would
not be surprised if either way. I just I would
(06:00):
not be surprised if the series ends tonight. I wouldn't
be surprised if Miami grabs a hold of this game
tonight and wins this game. That's kind of how Miami
has been kind of unpredictable.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets,
he talked about what could be the issues with this
close out game coming up later on tonight in Denver.
Let's take a listen to the Nuggets head coach.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
My biggest concern going into any close out game is
human nature and fighting against that. You know, you're up
three to one, and you know most teams when you're
up three one, they come up for air, they relax
and they just kind of take it for granted that
we're going to win this. And the neat thing for
us is that going back to the bubble. You know,
we've been down three one before and we've come back
(06:46):
in one, and we know anything as possible. And that's why,
like my message to our team before we came down
to the media and the open portion of practices was
our approach has to be that we're down three to one.
You know, they're desperate. We have to be more desperate.
They're hungry. We have to be hungrier. And there is
no celebrating after Game four. We have another game that
we have to win, and to close that game is
(07:09):
always the hardest game ever. So I'm looking forward to
seeing our approach. You know, we had it in Game
six against Phoenix, we had it in Game five against Minnesota,
we had it in Game four against the Lakers. And
my hope is that tomorrow night, in front of just
an unbelievable crowd, incredible environment, that our players understand the
opportunity in front of them and take full advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Hey, Mike, don't worry about it. You're an NBA champion
in a few hours from now. Do't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I like it O I like his thought process and
I like his approach, But I will say that's impossible.
You're not going to convince a team that's up three
to one.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like everybody out everyone of that team's like, man, we
need three more to win this thing, Like come on, man,
we need one more. All we need is a good
second half. If we're if we're struggling early and then
next thing, you know, we're NBA champions.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's a throwaway game too. I mean, let's be clear.
And that's what he's basically saying is you have to
fight against the throwaway game because the throwaway game is
a pivotal game, right, It's a pivotal game for both teams.
The one that has a three, three to one lead,
it's pivotal to them because they don't have another throwaway game.
You can't say going into game six that that's a
(08:20):
throwaway game because if the team that's down wins, it's
an even series. And now you face you face being
a you know, you face losing that series. But if
I'm the team that's down one, I got one win
and I'm down two games and I get this game back,
now you're looking at it like we're only one game
(08:40):
away from tying this thing up. Like it's a much
different proposition than saying we got to win back to
back games.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Kenny Smith talked about this before. I've heard him talk
about it because I think he was part of a
Rockets team that was down three to one against I
want to say Portland back in the day. I want
to say it was Portland. But his point was when
you're down three to one and say you're going on
the road like Miami is, he goes, you're only focused
(09:09):
on this game, he said, because there's that's all you have.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, and also he said, because there's no way you're
losing back at home. He goes, like, the whole point
is in a situation where you're trying to get back home,
like once you win that tough road game in a
close out situation and you get back home, that's not
the one you're.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Worried about now, Jonas in the case of Boston, you
only have one game, but you think about it. If
they lose, it's over.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But his point is when you're thinking long term, like
we need to get back in this series and we're
down three to one, his point is like, I'm not
even worried about game six because Game six were gonna win.
He goes, I'm worried about this one in game seven
because if we get this one, there's not a shot
in hell you're losing.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He's He's lived it, so I'll go with that. But
I'm just saying there's no reason to worry about saying
and you're gonna win any games beyond this game, There's
no reason to because that's the only game you had left.
This is literally their last game if they do not win,
So this is their last game. That is not the
(10:14):
same for Denver. So I don't care how many mind
games you want to play, how many conversations you want
to have with your players. Them players know, if we
lose this game, we got another game. If we lose
that game, we got another game. We have two games
to be able to to kind of get ourselves together
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and not not lose this series. Two games, and it's
really three, if we're being honest, it's really three games.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
This is why Boston losing that game seven was so disappointing,
because they did all that work to get back into
to get back and that just came out and creese themselves, well.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know, it's just what it is. But hey, that's
that's the point is though, when you only got one game.
Believe me, when when you're doing something and you know
this is it, like this is the last of it,
you just tend to do it differently. Like there's a
different level of intensity, right, Like there's a different, at
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least you would hope that there's a different level of
intensity when you're talking about this is our last opportunity,
it's yours. Like in that Boston situation, it was both
teams last situation to win, right, so the scenario was
evened up, so it's different, Like the energy level is
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different for both teams because that is the same scenario
for both teams. It's like being it's well, I guess
you can't really compare it to football because it's like
everybody's in the same scenario because it's a one game loss,
you go home. But it's just to me. When I
was in school, the most intriguing thing was if you lost,
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you were basically out of the national title running. You
were out of it. Yeah, So so that idea of
knowing that every single game you played mattered, like even
the first ones you couldn't lose against the scrimmage games.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Didn't like didn't you were telling me, was it your
final year Penn State that you guys lost a game
and you ended up losing the next two because because
we gave up. Yeah, because it was kind of like
at that point, no national title side and that sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That sucks because they did not have the playoff back then.
Like we you know, who knows we might you know,
we we pull it together and we went against Michigan.
We went against Michigan State. We make it into the playoffs. Boom.
Now now all bets are off because we were in theory.
To me, we were the best team in the country
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that year. I don't think it was Florida State. I
don't think it was Virginia Tech. We were the best
team in that country and and we had one loss,
and it was a horrible loss. We should have we
should have done more, and we didn't do more, and
we ended up losing that game by a field goal,
last second field goal. There was a hell mary throw
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and a field goal. We lose to the Gophers of Minnesota,
and it derailed our whole season. But the point is is,
you know what we felt after that despair, pain, sorrow,
and we still had games to play left, but we
knew that our chances were gone. It was gone for
us to be able to play for a national title.
So we lost. We kept losing. We dropped three straights
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two straight after that first loss. So I'm just saying
that that element of what he said human human nature
to not allow yourself to, you know, just let it
get away. Miami is going to come out with that.
If he could convince Denver to come out and they're
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playing on that level and they're actually matching the intensity
of Miami, then he's a better coach than what most
coaches are, because it's very difficult to convince a team
that's up two games that they're the team that's down
two games. It's just it's just it's just it's just
difficult to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Now you've got the DraftKings line that has the Denver
Nuggets a nine point favorite. So if you're feeling froggy
and you want to jump on Miami, you're getting nine
points a courtesy of our friends at DraftKings. If you're interested,
just letting you know if you feel confident in the
Miami Heat nine point underdogs here heading into this potential
season ending situation. But tell you what, I wouldn't worry
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about it. If you're in South Beach right now, I
wouldn't even worry about it. Don't even worry about how
much it's going to cost to get you into Game six,
because you ain't getting there. It's getting closed out tonight. Now,
whether or not they do by nine points, I don't know,
but I think it gets closed.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Down to bet some pole humps.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, I don't want to bet pole humps.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well, I mean, I don't want to take your money.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm not going to stand outside and fake hump a poll.
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And then we posted on social media. I'm not interested.
Everybody can consume it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I'm not interested. You know, I'd like to I'd like
some sort of dignity. I don't have to explain to
my kid fifteen years from now. He yeah, Dad, what's
this about?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, at least you're admitting that Miami is probably going
to win the night.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
See, now I've gotten everybody their fair opportunity.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's like, hey, Dad, you know you said you never
had an affair on mom. But what's this?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, listen, you know, why are you janis? Dad? Why
are you janis? What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well? Son? This one time I said about Tony Romo.
Oh you know, Son, give me a butt.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Lie, let's talk for a bite. You know, I'll explain
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Com studios. Now, LeVar Arrington. We were talking earlier in
the show about this running back issue, Well it's currently
happening in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Before we get to the running back, yeah issue, let's
talk about issues, right, Like some people have belly issues,
you know. Like for me, like I eat certain food.
I love spicy food, and then I get like this
acid reflux deal and it's not very it's not delightful,
it's not it's not something I enjoy, Jonas. And you
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Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, sure, we will check it out.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, but I'm telling you these running backs are giving
people that heartburn man, that acid reflecting this next guy
you're go and bring up Well, he's probably doing the
same exact thing for the people that are paying him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. Jamal Adams, by the way, not somebody that's been
talked about in quite some time. And that's because Jamal
Adams suffered the torn quad.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Which is like a horrible injury. Man. I've torn my
quad before. It's a horrible injury. Man. Yeah, I pulled it,
which a pool is a tear. But that is not
an easy injury man, by the way, at all.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you ever hear the story about Vincement, man?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Uh, yeah, when he ran into I saw the video
of it. He tore both of them.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Right McMahon. So what happened was there was supposed to
be a spot I think it was the Royal Rumble
where there was supposed to be a spot where two
of the wrestlers would go over the top rope, but
one of them would hit first and be eliminated and
the other guy would win. But it was supposed to
be like a razor thin decision, like just when you
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saw it, it was in just a split second difference,
and there would be some controversy. The problem was both
guys inadvertently hit at the same time on the ground,
so there was no way they could decide with all
the evidence that one person had won and the other
had one. So Vince McMahon, thinking on the fly, ran
down to the ring. Is just to try and add
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add a little something to the to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The kop and literally added to the ko.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yes, jumped in the ring.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He did some.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
He tore both quads at the same time, and he
couldn't stand up and so good the wrestlers and the
people in the ring were saying after the after, like
in interviews years later, they were like, yeah, They're like,
we didn't know what he was doing. He was just
flopping around on the ground, like what are you doing?
Like why are you down here? And what are you doing?
He tore both quads. I can't even imagine just that
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pain that he was going through. But Jamal Adams tore
his squad Week one, which was obviously this season opener
against the Denver Broncos and Russell Wilson and all that
that fiasco that took place, and Jamal Adams, if you
actually look at what he's done since he's gotten to
Seattle Man, not really all that much I mean he
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got paid. You know, Saquon Barkley's looking for a contract,
Josh Jacobs is looking for a contract, and Jamal Adams
got paid. But you know, the Seattle gave up a
bunch of draft picks. They made the trade. They gave
up two first round picks to bring him in from
the Jets, and then he ended up signing a short
time later a four year, seventy million dollar contract and
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he's played thirteen games since. So for all the success
that Seattle's had in the draft last year, trading away
Russell Wilson and everything that they've done since, then, damn
that Jamal Adams contracts look looks worse and worse. And
I don't is coming back from a torn quad is
that a you can be one hundred percent again?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, he can, he can because can be one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Pet Carol was saying that him being ready for the
start of the season might be pushing it a little bit.
So we're looking at a full year that he will
have missed due to this injury. And he's dealt with
injuries in the past as well too. Obviously the thirteen
games and signing the contract, but and this guy was
one of the best players at his position, an All Pro,
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and it just has not worked out for him.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, The interesting thing about it his first season, well,
second season, first and second season with the Seahawks I
thought were very very productive years. I mean he had
he's one of those safeties. The reason why he's so
va valuable is because he is a game changing safety.
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You have safeties that can play the game. You have
players that can play the game, but you don't always
have game changers like they had two at one point
with Chancellor and with Thomas, and I think they've been
trying to find that. His first two seasons there, they're
bro He had almost ten sacks as a safety, And
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to put that in the proper context, that's linebacker numbers,
that's that's defensive end numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think he led the team in sacks that year,
if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's a lot of guy dang sacks. Man. That's that's
a lot of work for safety, which means that he's
playing multiple positions because you're probably bringing him up into
the box. When you bring him up closer to the
line of scrimmage, you're giving him the opportunity to be
able to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So to me, that year he was and he did
that in twelve games, by the way.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean, that's to me, he showed in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one that he deserved to get the extension
that he did. Now, granty, he went from nine sacks
to no sacks in twenty one, which is that's rare.
I wonder if that was it was a coaching change.
(24:22):
I would assume that there was a coaching change there,
and then there was a change of philosophy and how
he was being used. But his numbers went up, and
both combined and excuse me, both numbers in tackles and
assisted tackles went up from the year before, although not
(24:43):
crazy amount, but it went up. Nonetheless, Then he gets injured.
I mean, first game of the year, you get injured.
I mean, there's to me, I don't think this was
a horrible investment. And I still don't think it was
a horrible investment. I just think that it will It
was horrible. It was just it was horrible that he
got hurt. Yeah, it's horrible that he got hurt. Everybody
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was expecting him to come in and they were looking
for him to be this game changer that they saw
him being with the Jets, and he kind of was.
He really kind of was. He just was not getting
that type of that type of recognition that way, because
I think that they had put the they put the
(25:28):
legion of boom on top of him, and if he
wasn't playing like that, or the defense wasn't playing like that,
or the team wasn't playing like that, then it was
going to be a miss. I don't think Jamal Adams
has been a miss for them. I just think that
the injury was unfortunate for him and unfortunate for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Only twenty seven years old, will turn twenty eight in October.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's old though. That's I mean, safeties can
do it for a longer time than anybody else, but
that's still that's close.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The way like he's he's aggressive.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Although I was done with the league by twenty seven.
That was done, man, Yeah, I was done.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, but he also had twenty You've been playing for
twenty years at that point, correct.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean, if you're counting every level, I mean, I
guess you could say that, but I had only played
what seven years of pro and I was done.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, that's enough.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I mean, once you blow your achilles tendon, like,
I'm glad I'm not one of these guys. And I
got to I gotta call this out and put this
on blast because I heard this almost every every weekend.
By the way, when I go out, I do, I
go out and I'll see a guy, or I'll be
in the gym and I'll see a guy and the
guy looks like he played pro or looks like he
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played ball, you know, maybe major college whatever. Stop telling
like like whether it be women, man or child, all right, woman,
man or child, Stop telling people and the injury is
the reason why you you didn't play, Like, stop using that,
like stop unless you played in the league or you
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played at a major college. Stop telling people you got
injured and that's why you didn't make it or you
don't play anymore. Stop saying that. Stop using that as
a story.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Hey bet that's the only hope they got, Man, something
it is.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It is the worst story ever. I'm just I'm just
here to let you guys know, if you're listening, I'm
putting you up on some serious game here. Man. Stop
saying if somebody's like talking to you even like the
worst is when it's unsolicited. The second worst is if
you ask somebody like, oh that you you're talking to me,
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were talking football? Do oh did you play? Like just
say you played, like, yes, I played. I played ball
like I played for a little bit, you know, and
you know, you know how life happens, like broh, yeah,
life happens.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay. But let me ask you this when when you
ask somebody did you play, what do you consider quote
unquote play you played? Okay?
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Like you.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Played okay, so I payed.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I don't care if you played right. I played live
in that living there you go, living that. I don't
care if you play pee wee lea football, Pop Warner football.
If you played the game, you played the game. You
don't have to sit there and qualify and be like,
yeah I played. Then I just ripped my shoulder all
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the way out like it was on hanging.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
By one friend level.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's why I had to stop playing, Like yeah, it
was like the worst injury ever, man, I'm telling you.
They did all kinds of scans and MRIs I said,
just put it back together, Doc, I want to keep playing,
and they just couldn't do it. And I was just
never the same and you know. After that, I've just
I've just tried to figure it out. You know, I've
fought of diction. You know, I've fought all kinds of
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different things. Hey man, look here, man, I don't even
want to know all that. I really don't like, and
neither does anyone else. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
if you was trying to game the shorty at at
the bar or at the restaurant or whatever it was,
and that was what you used, you lost. And you
don't know where you lost, at what moment in time
during your your your game that you were spitting, that
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was it. Yeah, that was where you lost. Don't tell
people you got injured. Just say I played well to
your play point.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I actually back in the day, so I had an
elbow issue. And I know, I know, but I'm so
I'm providing proof that it doesn't work for anybody to
try to pull this off at a bar. So I had.
I had a hurt elbow and I had like this
like k neoprene sleeve that I had to keep on
it because it's I mean, it's still messing.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Theoprees are big time in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like, and so I had one of those that I
had to keep on at all times. And at that
point I was working at Toys r US. I was
working in the stock room at Toys r Us, so
I had to wear because we were lifting, like you know,
ty and all these sort of like toy trucks and
things like that, these big wheels and all that. Well,
we went to UCSB, like because it's about forty five
(30:10):
minutes up north cal Santa Barbara, and there's a place
called Ila Vista, and Ilavista is like one of the
great party areas at any college anywhere. And so we're
walking around and my go to when I would meet
like women is I would tell them because I didn't
want to be honest and say, yeah, I work in
the stock room at Toys r us so, because I
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had the sleeve on, I said, yeah, I actually go
to Duke. I'm red shirting this year because I had
elbow surgery, but I'm hoping to get back next year
and hopefully Coach k is going to use me. Never
one time did it work, Not one single time. I
don't even think the conversation got much further than cool.
You're wearing a neoprene sleeve at a party in college.
(30:52):
That's really sweet. So to your point, for those of
you losers who were using the injury tactic to try
and tell somebody on your college athletic or pro athletic dreams,
just stop. It's not working and never did and it's
never going to. So I'm with you, it's not going
to work. I'm an example.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't care how old you are. I don't care
how young you are. It's gonna it's going to be
received the same way like, dude, you weren't good enough.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Damn Payne Med's man, that's why you.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like now Now now it goes from now, it goes
from you were actually having an impactful conversation to now
they're looking at you like you're really a loser, Like
I thought you could have been a winner, and you
even look like you're a winner, like because you get
those guys, they really look like you see some guys
jacked up, like man, like to the as you would
(31:44):
say to the Jews, right, and you're like, man, you know,
every once in a while you hear you know, you
play you play ball, huh yeah, but I tore my
knee out, Like that's the first thing they go to,
tore my knee. You know things didn't work out. It's like, okay, man,
Like just say you played. I'm telling you, that's the
(32:07):
best game I gave all show long. Like you can
hate on me and say I do a terrible part
in this show. That's fine, that's on you, Kick Rocks.
But I'm just telling you this is the dopest advice
I'm giving you. If you're a dude that played ball
at any level at any time, and your go to
story when you're talking about football is that I did play,
(32:27):
but I got injured and that's why I'm not playing,
don't use it anymore. Just do away with it. Don't
ever say I stopped playing or I'm not playing, or
I didn't make it because of an injury. Don't do it.
Don't do it that makes you look like the biggest
like you are the biggest tool. Oh my gosh, Oh
my god. I don't even like people knowing that I play.
(32:50):
I just had this big problem that I can't get
rid of. I'm big, I'm tall, and I'm black. Like
people all the time, right, don't you did what I'm saying?
Like I go out and it's like, oh you played basketball,
Like one time, I went to this place. There's a
whole lot of short people. They are like, yeah, that NBA.
You NBA. Like, no, not NBA, man, not NBA. And
(33:11):
I'm not offering but I'm NFL. I'm not offering that.
I don't go in with what I used to do.
You know, I played football. My last year was two
thousand and six. Two thousand and six. I am not
leading a conversation with saying, oh, yeah, I played football.
(33:32):
You know why I'm not playing anymore. Shred a my
achilles tendon. That was the end of it for me.
People still sitting here thinking I had to retire because
of a motorcycle accident. I was done. I was so
far gone from playing playing football. I was chasing adrenaline.
That's why I was on motorcycle. So I did not
retire based off of a motorcycle accident. That's like in
(33:54):
so many different reports. I retired because I was done.
Like I was done, Like I wasn't going to have
a Hall of Fame career. My body was falling apart,
and I could care less about what anybody had thought
at that point in time. So I called it a day,
didn't decide to retire, didn't hold, no press conference, didn't
have the big Tarry I reveal and stuff like that.
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I was out. I was done done. So there you go.
And I don't blame it on on an achilles tendon tear.
I just it was time. It was time. I'm glad
you stop using that.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm glad you walked away because you and I get
to do the show togain.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
There you go, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm talking about two pros and a cup of Joe
here Fox Sports Radio. So we are going to have
another edition of you in of you out.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So sick and tired of hearing y'all come back saying
because of your injury, stop using that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But for all the latest from around the world of sports. First,
let's go over to somebody who's definitely not a douchebag.
He's Ati Garcia.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
I would definitely never try and tell someone I I
got injured and didn't blamey where else. Also wouldn't try
and tell someone I gonna play basketball.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Dude, you didn't really do that. I've tried everything I.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Told.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I told you so I was ashamed. I think I
was out of work at the time, and I told
some a woman at a bar she asked, so what
do you do? And on the TV was the Australian Open,
And I told her professional tennis player. It was like,
I was like usual suspects where I just saw stuff
on the wall and yeah, I should have just said
that I was like a professional tennis player. I'm like,
(35:30):
why did I say that?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
In that barbershop quartet that's so good, so good?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It just yeah, it never worked, never worked, Jonas and uh.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, yeah, verbal man, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
NBA Finals resuming tonight, Game five in Denver, Nuggets looking
to wrap it up against the Heat eight thirty pm Eastern.
They'll get it under way Denver with a three one
series lead, looking for their first ever NBA title and
trying to get it on their home court, where they're
nine to one so far this postseason. Tennis Novak Djokovic,
who Jonas probably tried to impersonate at one time, Yeah,
recorded his record setting twenty thirty Grand Slam title, taking
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the French Open, and then he now has one more
Grand Slam win than raw Field. On the Dall golf,
Nick Taylor has seventy two foot putt for eagle in
a playoff to become the first Canadian to win the
Canadian Open in sixty nine years. In baseball, you had
the Rays beating the Rangers seven to three in a
battle of A Division leaders. Shane McClanahan gets his tenth
win of the season ten and one for Tampa Bay.
That leads the Major Leagues and wins, and the Rays
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lead the Majors in wins as well forty eight and twenty.
Now with that latest victory, Diamondback score four in the
ninth rally to beat the Tigers seven to five. Arizona
on top of the NL West. They get the sweep
of Detroit, which has now dropped nine straight. Pirates over
the Mets two to one. Andrew McCutcheon gets his two
thousandth career hit for Pittsburgh in that win. They're a
game up on Milwaukee with the top spot in the
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Anal Central because the Brewers were swept by the A's
losing eight to six on Sunday. That's the first sweep
this season for Oakland. They've got just seventeen wins on
the air, but they've now won five in a row.
Braves lose it home to the National six to two.
Was the Twins losing in the Blue Jay seven to six.
Minnesota still in first in the Al Central despite being
five hundred on the season. Thirty three and thirty three
Orioles wrap up a sweep of the Royals with an
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eleven three win. Phillies beat the Dodgers seven to three.
LA used eight pitchers in nine innings in that loss,
and the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the Bronx
three to two in ten innings. Sunday Night Baseball and
now back to Lebar Harington and Jonas Knoxsthatirack dot Com,
Fox Sports Radio Studio.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
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Now up the rise for the eagle for the win.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
To the cup tne God Love, The crowd is over,
the trout is over, Big.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Tailor with the eagle, the twenty twenty three rb Ze
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horse Rider. It was golf. Oh oh, that's golf.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Golf.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Does it live or was it p It's pga? Oh okay,
you know you got to ask these days serious PGA
Tour radio.
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Speaker 7 (38:37):
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I'm Joe Madden, and we're going to be around to
talk a little bit about managerial decisions, playoff games and
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Speaker 1 (38:58):
I can't wait for this, Joe.
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We're gonna dive into what goes on in the dugout
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Cars, wind whatever else we want to talk about.
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Speaker 2 (39:49):
Two pros in a cup of Joe. What even enough?
If they're in at least or if they're out? All right?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So again, lead to labs not here, screw him? Got
Ethan Miller, Ethan, what's happening? All right? Here we go?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
We got an exciting week here in Los Angeles. Uh,
this Friday blank one two is in town? Are you
guys in or out out?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I'm out?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
That's what I thought. I thought you'd be in the
absolutely not like I blink is blank with Travis? Yeah,
I might be in, might be. He's a talented drummer,
like super talented guy. One of the guys also a
UFO freak, like really into it? Well, come on, So
I don't know if I necessarily believe in UFOs. I
(40:37):
just I'm fascinated by that whole thing. But still, can.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I give it? And are you or are you out?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
All right, here's one. You go to a barbershop, you
get haircuts, there's like this this little trend or this
little fat where you get somebody's face, like it's like
artwork and your haircut. Really and I saw one where Okay,
you want to see it, I'll send you one like
somebody I saw one where they did Lebron James. Are
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you in or out on getting your favorite actor, athlete,
whatever it may be?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
So?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Are you are you in on getting them? You know,
artworked into your haircut?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Can't I just buy a T shirt or a jersey?
Like if I really like them that much? Why do
I get to like put them in my hair, all right.
I just sent it to y'all like I'm so out
on this. In fact, I'm so far out on this
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
It makes me wonder what type of a person you
are to actually get another another person's face cut to
your head. I'm totally out, totally terrible to
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