June 27, 2023 • 39 mins
In the second hour of 2 Pros & a Cup of Joe, Jonas and LaVar discuss the Hall of Fame worthiness of players like Fred Taylor and Brian Mitchell, Bengals OC Brian Callahan saying Joe Burrow has 'mastered the playbook', plus another edition of Would You Rather?
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should be so LaVar Arrington. We had a conversation yesterday
about the Hall of Fame candidacy for one Rod Smith,
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the Broncos wide receiver from years and years and years
ago on those Super Bowl teams from the late nineties.
You know, he's kind of made his case as to
why he should be a Hall of Famer, and it's
you know, it's borderline. You know, some people feel he
should be. I think he should get in, but I
can understand the argument against him. Another one that has
now come up in conversation is somebody that you have
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brought up. What's the when you think of guys that
deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, who's one
of the first names you think of?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Fred Taylor?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
One hundred percent. That's where we're going. So Fred Taylor
talked with ESPN recently just about his own candidacy, and
he pointed out, you know, my numbers were better than
the majority of the backs that had ever played the game.
If you're not a first ballot Hall of Famer, you
got to kind of hit the campaign trail. He talked
about all the people that have campaigned for him and
talked about why he should be in. You have talked
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about that several times on this show, and then he
went on to say this quote. All of these guys
that are in there, they're not just saying it just
to say it. When it comes to him belonging to
the Hall of Fame, they themselves believe it's the elite
of the elite, and if you're not one of them
in their mold, they wouldn't vowed for you in that
sense because it's legendary, it's mecca, it's football heaven, and
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they wouldn't say these things if they didn't believe it.
Not just because I'm a cool, nice, outgoing, fun loving guy.
I struck fear into defenses. They didn't just go out
there and say we're going to hold him to fifty yards.
They're trying to say, we're trying to make sure he
doesn't get fifty yards on one carry. End quote from
Fred Taylor.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, and that's truth because he was. He's the best
running back I've ever gone up against. And and that
you know, I've gone up against a lot of them.
I've gone up against Jerome Bettis, hall of Famer. I've
gone up against Emmitt Smith, hall of Famer. You know,
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I mean, you name it. I've gone up against a
lot of a lot of great running back Marsel Faulks Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What made him better than everybody else?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
He he so he's tall, He's like deceptively tall, Like
I don't know, he's like six he's got to be
like six two. He's quick like a short back listed
at six yeah, yeah, six to one might be. I'd
give him six to two, like six one, six two,
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but I mean that's still tall for running back. Six
to one is still tall. But he he just had
a he just happened to have a skill like of
as well rounded a skill set as as skill sets,
so he could he could do what smaller backs could do.
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He could make you miss in small spaces, he could
run away from you in open field, and that's why
he made so many big plays.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Also powerful, like he was strong and he could he
could run through your tackles and he was just to me,
Fred Taylor was the most difficult back that I ever faced.
And it just it wasn't even close. So I don't
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you know, he just he just had a rare blend
that was just very very.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And it was just nice to watch. I mean, he just.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Looked really he just had a good look to him too,
So it was like everything all things considered, like he
just had everything, every box checked off. And I just
I don't understand why it's taken so long for Fred Taylor.
It makes absolutely no sense to me why it's taken
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so long for Fred Taylor to get the call to
the hall. And I'll give you another one. I'll give
you another one out of the backfield, Corey Dillon. You
look at Corey Dillon and his body of work and
what he was able to accomplish as a as a
football player. I mean those two right there, if we're
just talking, if we're just keeping it to me too,
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because there's there's a laundry list for me, you know,
Willie Willy Anderson, Greg Lloyd. Uh. I mean there's there's
a few. Brian Mitchell comes to mind. I don't understand.
There is no one that will ever break Brian Mitchell's
Special teams records. No one will and and yet Devin
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Hester is almost in in the Hall of Fame, and
his numbers are wharfed, not just just out done. Devin
Hester's stats are dwarfed by Brian mitchell stats. So there
are a few that just really really should be in
the in the Hall of Fame. But the first one
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that always comes to mind is Fred Taylor.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So here's my theory as to why Fred Taylor is
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, he played in Jacksonville. I mean it's the same
just got.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
BESSELLI waited for how long? And BISSELLI, anybody you talk to,
says man Tony Boselli is one of the most dominant
offensive linemen we've ever seen, and his career wasn't as
long as maybe it'd hoped it had been because of
the injuries. But Tony BISSELLI waited a long ass time
to get in. Fred Taylor still not in. I think
it's got a lot to do with their where they played.
I think I think that's something. And I also think
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to your point on the Hester Brian Mitchell comparisons Hester had.
First of all, him returning that kick in the Super
Bowl is why I think he's even in the conversation,
because he opened up a Super Bowl the kick return
for a touchdown. Man, I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Riyan Mitchell, I believe has two.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But does he have that moment? And I think that's
Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Hey, Bro See, this is the problem with stuff like this, right,
is that we look at at Devin Hester. We look
at at Devin Hester, and you say, does he have
that moment? Well, if you were able to see that
man's career he got one super Bowl, if you were
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able to see his career and the things that he
was doing. Most career kickoff return yards fourteen thousand, fourteen thousand,
career return yards, most career punt return yards four thousand,
nine hundred and ninety nine yards, most career most career
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total return yards nineteen thousand yards, nineteen thousand and thirteen yards.
Come on, man like, Stats do not lie. And while
I will say in some cases you can make arguments against.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Stats, but production is production.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And name me, how are you not the most important
at that position if you are the career leader in
kickoff return yards, kickoff or punt return yards.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Please explain that to me, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, I agree with you. I think it's if you're
And also the way that we've seen what they've done
with kickoffs, they've just devalued that position more and more.
It still doesn't take away from the fact that that
was an impact play for a lot of years and
at an impact play. He was the best and had
the most impact on it and still not recognized.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He's got thirteen special teams touchdowns and he's only second
in NFL history behind Devin Hester. Yeah, I mean he's
got nine punt return touchdowns. That's third behind Eric Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Hevy.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Honestly, it's he's ranked the greatest, the second greatest specialist
in NFL history. Bye bye, you know NFL network by
by an outlet. But I mean, if you're gonna put
a punter or a kicker into the Hall of Fame,
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if you're gonna put Devin Hester into the Hall of
Fame at some point, why are you not talking about
Brian Mitchell getting into the Hall of Fame. Why is
Brian Mitchell not a shoe win to go into the
Hall of Fame. I just feel like there are some
situations that take place that make you question the validity
of what the Hall of Fame represents.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's uh so one of the things on Fred Taylor and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm want to go back because it was bringing me
back to Fred Taylor.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah no, but how if Fred Taylor has.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
The type of career he has to your point, and
with the Giants if he has it, if he has
it with the Steelers, which is crazy because they played
against the Steelers all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But if he.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Has if he has his career, if for the Rams
or someone else, like he's a shoeing to go to
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, and look, he's seventeenth all time in rushing yards.
I mean John Riggins is a Hall of Famer. He's
got more rushing yards than John Riggins. And he's right
sort of in that same, you know, same you know
ballpark as Corey Dillon that you mentioned, who's also not
a Hall of Famer, but Fred Taylor, the company he keeps,
he's just behind Thurman Thomas hall of Famer. He's just
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behind Frank o'harris and Marcus Allen and Edrin James and
Marshall Falk. Like he's just like he's there in the mix.
I think where he played because he's a borderline guy.
I think people, you know, because he played in Jacksonville,
that works against him. One of the other things that
was pointing out, and this is from Michael David Smith
the Pro Football Talk. He pointed out just sort of
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where he was in his career, and he said that
working against Taylor. He was never considered the best running
back in the NFL. He never wasn't He never finished
any season in the top five in the league in
rushing yards from scrimmage or touchdowns, and was never a
first team All.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Pro, never a first team All pros and made that point.
And he was only a Pro Bowl at one time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, and he never got to a Super Bowl. But
I don't know that that is necessarily a make or
break here.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I told you guys yesterday on the show that Pro
Bowls and All Pro bids matter. He was never a
first teamer, never a first team All Pro, and made
the Pro Bowl one time. Now I do I will
say that that works against him, you know, I mean,
it certainly works against him.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know what I don't like about this. I don't
like that we take individual season achievements and those are
more important than the career. It's like, like, if you're
just listing and this isn't you know, attacking Pro football
talker Michael David Smith who came up with this, But
if you're looking at all, right, why isn't he in?
You know, we could talk about Jacksonville, But if you're
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looking at well, he never finished in the top five
in a season. Here he never finished. It's like when
you're scoring a boxing fight. If you're scoring a twelve
round fight, you don't give the fight to the guy
who had the bet the most dominant round. You give
the guy. You give the fight to the guy who
won the fight, who won the most rounds. Like he
could be dominant in the fourth and fifth round, but
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if he lost every other round, you can't reward him
the fight. Fred Taylor was consistently one of the better
backs in the NFL. He may not have had that
outrageous season like we've seen from a Chris Johnson who
went for two thousand yards, but at some point, isn't
consistency part of the conversation here, It's.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Like a longevity, a longevity of your body of work.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Okay, Frank, or certainly what pays dividend.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Frank Gore should be a Hall of Famer, And I'm
telling you right now, there's gonna be some people who
want to argue against it. And he's third all time
because Frank Gore, much like Fred Taylor, was never the
best running back in the NFL. Ever, Never one time
anybody said Frank Gore was the best running back. But
at some point doesn't sixteen thousand yards have to factor
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into the conversation, Like Frank core was never an All Pro.
Like he never was an All Pro, he never won
a Super Bowl, like he went to some Pro Bowls.
But just the idea that we're going to take who
had the most outrageous seasons and have those take precedent
over a longevity and a career of success and just
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consistency like a Fred Taylor had. I don't know that's
where some of this When we try and argue against
why somebody should be in, it doesn't make much sense.
I think Fred Taylor should get in, and now we
just wait to see if it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, it would be nice to see that happen
for some of the guys. It would restore a little
bit of hope and a little bit of faith and
what's taking place. But with that being said, you know,
it is what it is, like. I just you see
what you see. Things happen the way that they happen,
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and all you can do is just hope that you
had a body of work when you played the game
that is to me respected by your peers. The fact
that you have so many guys that there's such an
outcry for guys like Fred Taylor to get there.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
They're they're just doing get their flowers.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I mean, I think that that that tells it all,
that that speaks volumes.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'd like to believe I was one of the greatest,
if not greatest defensive players to ever play college football,
and I don't. I don't find that to be a stretch.
I'll put my highlights. I won't put my stat line,
which comes back to it, I don't I want to
put my stat line up against a whole bunch of
people because stats. Stats can lie in some instances, but
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in terms of just an impact player on the game,
I'll put my resume up against anyone.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You see.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think though you were cutting, I think you know
you jumped off sides a lot a lot of face matter.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, never never never never cut corners never never. I
mean jumped off sides a few times.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the point is, the point is I just went
into the Hall of Fame last year. This past year.
I've been out of college since two thoy ninety nine
was my last season, and you'll see a guy that
did not have anywhere near not even in the same
ballpark or stratosphere of the type of career I had
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in college that goes in. So it just makes you
start to realize how politically driven some of this stuff is. Jonas.
It's not really about getting it right. Sometimes it's about
it's about like whose hand is getting greased and stuff
like that. Like, I really think that there's way more
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to it sometimes. And I'm not trying to call out,
you know, the Hall of Fame for college because I'm
in it now, so you know, I have no hard
feelings for it taking so long, not at this point.
But I will say I will say when you look
at some of the guys that are not in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, I just I don't understand
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how you miss on on things like that, Like is
that hard to justify putting Fred Taylor into the Football
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh, he had one, he had one Pro Bowl? Bit
But if you look at the guys that they.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Were putting into the Pro Bowl, you know, you only
get X amount of guys that get to go in
and and and it's it's even fewer.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's even fewer for for all all Pro.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's even fewer. So you know, I don't know. Whatever
the way of measuring engaging is. Sometimes somebody brought up
we brought up Joe Namath yesterday. I mean, if you,
if you can, if you, if you keep AFL involved,
that makes sense. But if you're not including the a
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f L, then by all, all all standards given, if
you had a pretty decent career and won won a championship, you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, there are some There are some linebackers that are
in the line in the Hall of Fame that don't
have more Pro Bowls than me. There are some players
in the Hall of Fame that don't have more Pro
Bowls than me. So it I mean, and I'm not
sitting here saying I deserve to be in in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, but I think a guy
like Fred Taylor belongs in the Pro Football Hall of
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Fame even though he only had one Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean, I have a vote for the College Football
Hall of Fame, and I actually voted against you multiple
years in a row.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I voted. I mean, you can't vote against me.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean I was only on the ballot one time,
and and it happened to beat the respect on my
peers that got me up in that bad boy, So
thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
My vote was anybody but LeVar Like that was every
year when they asked me to vote on the College
Football Hall of fam I was like, I don't like
what he did to that running back from Illinois when
he jumped over the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't like boy on that ballot, I said, pull up.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't like what he did to Dick Buckets's nephew
uh in that game for the LeVar leap. So how
dare you disgrace a great family like the Buffs. It
is Two Pros and a Cup of Two on Fox
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novel idea. Apparently now we know why one quarterback has
had the start to his career that he's had. We'll
give you the details on that. That's next.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
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It's a Tuesday tradition, another edition of would you Rather?
And that'll be yours again twenty minutes from now here
on FSR SO LeVar Arrington. Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati
Bengals are one of the teams that people look at
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in the NFL going all right, yeah, they're legitimate contender,
legitimate threat to win a Super Bowl. Now, there's like
a handful of those teams. The Bengals would follow on
that in that list of teams and their offensive coordinator,
Brian Callahan. He spoke with James Rapine, by the way,
former Fox Sports Radio intern James Rapine, Good Dude, and
Jake Liscow of the Locked On Bengals podcast recently and
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he discussed Joe Burrow's familiarity with the offense and what
has made him successful this far.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
What's fun for me this year with Burrows and we
get to these meetings and we watched seven on seven together,
and you know, you get a chance to have. Joe
almost coaches those guys. He's he's very clear on what
he expects from a certain routes where he wants guys
to be the timing that it happens. It's really fun
to listen to him explain to everybody what he wants.
And so when he's making a coaching point, to say,
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IRV Smith at some point, that's all the tight ends
are supposed to hear that. When he's talking to Jamar
about something, all those young receivers are going to hear it.
And so that parts really fun because he's got mastery
over our system now, which is a really cool thing
to watch him grow in that and be able to
almost become more like a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So imagine that a quarterback in the NFL who has
the same system, same head, coach, same coordinator for a
number of years in a row, and he's more familiar
with everything that got going on. It's amazing how that works.
It's almost like everywhere in life where if you have
a little bit of consistency around you, you're able to
get more things done and have better success. And for
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some reason the NFL, like what do we want to do?
Turn and burn coaches in one or two years and
then blame the players for why they don't have success
moving forward and not point to the fact that the stability,
the organization, the pieces around them kind of plays a
big factor and all that stuff. I don't know why
that's such a novel novel idea, Hey, why don't we
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get just go ahead? And I know they struggled last year,
but you know, for the sake of the development of
this quarterback or this player and this team, why don't
we just get roll through like we did with Zach
Taylor and Joe Burrow? Like why is this still an
issue in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I really don't know. It's a great question. But what
I will say is we talked about this the other
day on the show, where I'm just it's pretty cool
hearing how these coaches these days are making it a
point to give that type of ownership and props to
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their players. I think that we were talking about Aaron
Rodgers the last time we had a conversation of this
this topic, right, and and so to me, it's a
sign of the times. I think it's better to be
humble and have the trust and the confidence of who
you're coaching versus be arrogant and risk the relationship dynamic
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between you and your player and you and your players
to give.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Him his his just doing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Say, look, man, this guy understands the system well enough
where he's almost basically a coach on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You know, there are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Guys that are like that that are in the league there.
And when I say a lot, I mean there is
a special few, but there are a lot of guys
that understand the game that way. Whether it's a receiver,
whether it's a running back, whether it's a lineman, whether
it's a defensive lineman or a linebacker or safety or
even a corner. There are these players are on the
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field where they understand formations, they understand tendencies, they understand
a lot of different things, and based upon their understanding
of what the defensive schemes are, they're able to present
some really really amazing impactful information. They can get guys
lined up in the right situations. They can help them
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to make bigger plays. This happens all the time, but
you don't hear about it. And it's like it's okay
to minimize the intelligence level of football players because it
maximizes the intelligence level of the coaches, so.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Like the parts that I've never understood. And I remember,
like I was having conversations with Brady about this years ago.
I'm like, why would you draft a player high based
on how good he was playing the way he played
in college and then ask him to do something different
than what he was doing when he was having success
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in college?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like it, It's a great fing question, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And it's almost like to your point, nowadays, people have realized, oh,
what a what a what a novel idea? Why don't
we take what they're good at and build around that.
That's what That's.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
What what thee flipping figure, That's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. They just said, listen, this.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Is what lewis. Yes, you know that's I mean, don't
you think about it?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What took so long?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I mean, they had Erlacker playing and I'm just keeping
it to the realm of linebackers because I can just
recall it. They had those. They had Erlacker playing weak
side linebacker when he first came into the league, and
he eventually and we talked about this, they Erlacker was
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like a hybrid linebacker safety in college. Me and him
pretty much played the same exact position, except I rushed
on third downs in college. I get to the league,
they make me the saundbacker. I'm backer goes onto the
ball and is standing over top of the tight end
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and has to take on the tight end. And I'm
sitting there thinking to myself, I'm gonna do my job.
I'm not thinking anything else. I got to figure out
how to handle Howard Cross and Mark Brunner and all
of these strong ass blocking tight ends that I have
to deal with. And that's never what I did. You
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drafted me number two overall and you put me over
top of a tight end, Like, did I cover tight
ends on passing downs? I act like I'm blitzing cover
the tight end? Sure, but you put me on the
tight end like you had me had strong side linebacker
when I came in. If anything, you should have put
me in the middle. Put me in the middle, line
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me up a little bit deeper, and let me run
to the ball. That's what I did. That's how I
wanted the buckets. That's how I became an All American.
That's how I did the things that I did. You
find your way to the flow of the game. I'll
never understand why people will do things that minimize the
strengths of someone that you brought in to be a
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pillar and a star. Work Like I could see you
taking somebody that that is a role player and and
and saying, this is your role getting that gap, fill
that gap, make two guys block you. That's what you were.
That's why we brought you here. And that's reflective on
your paycheck. That's reflective on everything. But that wasn't that
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That shouldn't be for your quarterback or any of your
playmaking players.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Because in that case, you're identifying a strength. All right,
this is what they like. Belichick's always done that. What
is this guy good at?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That that works for me. I can find a spot
for this guy and I can play to his strengths,
and that's why he's taken. You know, I don't want
to say gadget players, but you know, a guy like
a Wes Welker man, Wes Welker was totally miscast and
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Plays take your pick, even even with Gronkowski. Yeah, you know,
you were putting these guys in situations where they could
maximize the talent and the skill level that they brought
to the table. The great coaches know how to do that.
You would be surprised how many coaches just do not
(27:18):
know how to flip and coach. They trash, trash, and
yet they get jobs.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Over and over and over and over again. Trash.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it.
That's why sometimes you think to yourself, why is there?
Like I hate the fact that we turn the coaching
carousel into a racial thing in the sense that not
that it's not true. I hate that it turns into
a racial thing because it distracts from what the true
(27:52):
reality is is that whether you're white, Black, Asian, Mexican,
whatever it may be, Latino, whatever it is. The problem
I have is good coaching versus bad coaching. Bring in
good coaches. Once a coach proves a few times that
they're not good a good coach, then get them out.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
They don't they don't belong there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't care that you're you have the same last
name as this guy who was a pretty dog on
good coach. I don't care that you're you're from this
coaching tree. I don't care that you know these people.
You can't coach here. You can't coach at this level.
You know what they you know who they do that
to Jonas, They do it the players. They do it
(28:38):
the players. Once a player proves he can't play at
that next level.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He's gone out of there.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Out of there, gone. You'll never see that person again.
But yet you'll see a trash ass coach next thing.
You know, Oh, let's just put them here. Oh let's
he coaches defense. Well, you know what, we don't have
a position for that, So let's make him the receivers coach.
We'll just stick him out receivers coach, and then he'll
(29:07):
coach receivers and then eventually we'll be able to get
him back on to the defense. And get him back
on to the defense. He eventually becomes a defensive coordinator.
Then he eventually becomes a head coach. Like what the
flip man, There's no way I'll say this as long
as he's a coach in the league.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't understand how McDaniels is a coach in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He's trash, trash, He's just one of the easiest examples.
He's an easy targets. And I don't know that's not
me attacking him as a person.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Now you're talking about Josh McDaniel's not Mike Vape Daniel.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, Mike Mike Vape Daniels seems to be all right
for now. Yeah, he's good. He seems to be all right.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But but Josh, Josh gave you enough of a sample
size in Denver trash.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Now he's in in Vegas? What is he in Vegas?
Jonas more trash? So am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong? Damn,
tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're going to Vegas this week?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You can't coach? What if you go ahead and jump?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm just saying, what if you run into Josh McDaniels
while you're hanging out at.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know, the one good thing about me, you never
have to wonder where you're staying with me. If you
saw me on the street and you avoided me because
of something that I said, then that's on you. If
you see me on the street and you want to
talk about it, we could talk about it. I just
think it's poor, poor decision on my part. Then you
could talk to me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
About I just think that. You know, it creates an
awkward dynamic if you're standing in the urine next to
Josh McDaniels at thunder from down Under, and.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I'm sure he would feel more awkward based upon us
being at that thing together and him feeling the way
that he's feeling standing next to a grown ass mamma.
I know we wouldn't We wouldn't be having topic exchange then,
because he just you know, he'd be in a hurry
to wash his hands and get up out of there
because the mamma was loose.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know, I'd be asking why they put a urinal
in the batting cages?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Would I be asking, like, wait, wait, why does it
sound so different?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Water's cold.
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Speaker 4 (34:03):
All right?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To lead the lap again? Is not here today? He
was supposed to be here, but you know, he was
in an airport and apparently it's plane didn't take off.
That's a story we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So I don't know based off of them messages man
that he accidentally said to us, I mean he could
or could not be telling the full truth.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, I'm not trying to air him out here, but
Arnie Spanier, Fox Sports Radio Legend sent me a picture.
He lives on the East Coast and you could not
oh beautiful wow, Like I mean, it's like it should
be in a calendar. And Lee apparently couldn't make it
through the beautiful sunshine to get here for the show.
(34:46):
So justin Cooper's here though, and he's excited about it.
Nothing like a well four hour show. It turns into seven?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Lie?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Is that a drop?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What going on? What do we got, Coop? What sort
of hard hitting questions you got for us this week?
All right?
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Would you rather be stuck in Jurassic Park or Jumanji.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Ooh, that's a good one. Coop, Damn, that is a
good one. I mean, aren't they kind of one in
the same Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, dinosaurs are fake, So I'll go Jurassic Park just
because there's no real threats there.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What, no way I'm gonna go Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, all those bones happen to be intact. They find
all those years later.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Don't you get multiple laves in too?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Isn't it like a game? Isn't Jumanji a game?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
It is a game, but like if you get like
sucked into Jumanji, then you have to stay there until
somebody else beats the game or or rolls rolls something
on the dice.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is it like Survivor You.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Get so many lives though, right if you get banged
out you come back as something else, right, damn?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Or or you get Zion's tattoo on your face.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (36:23):
All I know is Robin Williams went into the game
as a twelve year old and then he came back
out as like a forty year old.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I mean, it wasn't Jack Black in that movie too? Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I know, nobody watched that one.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
It was Robin to say it wasn't that a jamanji?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
So I'm legit here, I'm going ji.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Was Robin Williams stealing material in that movie? Or just
as comedy routines?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Just wondering?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Dang bruh, you know you do know Robin Williams is gone?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yes, I disrespect, I'm aware it's too soon. Hey, I'm
not making stuff up here? Look that up that he's
been accused of stealing material?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Who has kind of made a little material?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Carlo Racist?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
You please hit the button? Sound? Can you please hit
the button? Come on?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Racist?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Sam people Sam.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Racist?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Thank you my god? Damn?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
What else?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
All?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right?
Speaker 10 (37:25):
Would you rather speak to animals or all foreign languages?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
All foreign languages? Animals, all foreign languages?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You know that's been the biggest drawback when I was
younger to having a good time in life, is just
not being able to I just don't know the languages.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but wouldn't you like to know what animals really
think about us?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I would know because here's the thing, right, do I
need to be able to talk to a lion or
a tiger? Like, Hey, mister Lyon, can you confirm for
me that you want to eat me? Yeah, homie, I
was thinking I might eat part of you. Now it's
save some of you for later. Maybe deliver a leg
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to the cubs, you know, like you don't need that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sam, he's got the lion saying yeah, Homie, I mean
we're gonna take this here on the show, like like
that's that's well, Hello.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There, sir, Welcome to the Serengeti Johnson.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
What's going to take place next, sir?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'd talk to animals.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Here and Zaia and and we're going to uh, well,
we're just going to have a little discussion with you.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And yes, plus if you're if you can talk to animals,
you can find out like whether or not you know
somebody your dating is fooling around on you while you're gone,
like they're the ring camera before the ring camera.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, I'd love to talk to the baboons while
I was mating season.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
What are you thinking about that over there,
Skirt them doing sixty down one wizzy cruise down the avenue.
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Bumped that a spundy you we lost a houpcap. I
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Then maybe Caverrotts cherry red.
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High work chern ugh h Well then yeah, in the
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should be so LaVar Arrington. We had a conversation yesterday
about the Hall of Fame candidacy for one Rod Smith,
(01:12):
the Broncos wide receiver from years and years and years
ago on those Super Bowl teams from the late nineties.
You know, he's kind of made his case as to
why he should be a Hall of Famer, and it's
you know, it's borderline. You know, some people feel he
should be. I think he should get in, but I
can understand the argument against him. Another one that has
now come up in conversation is somebody that you have
(01:35):
brought up. What's the when you think of guys that
deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, who's one
of the first names you think of?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Fred Taylor?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
One hundred percent. That's where we're going. So Fred Taylor
talked with ESPN recently just about his own candidacy, and
he pointed out, you know, my numbers were better than
the majority of the backs that had ever played the game.
If you're not a first ballot Hall of Famer, you
got to kind of hit the campaign trail. He talked
about all the people that have campaigned for him and
talked about why he should be in. You have talked
(02:04):
about that several times on this show, and then he
went on to say this quote. All of these guys
that are in there, they're not just saying it just
to say it. When it comes to him belonging to
the Hall of Fame, they themselves believe it's the elite
of the elite, and if you're not one of them
in their mold, they wouldn't vowed for you in that
sense because it's legendary, it's mecca, it's football heaven, and
(02:24):
they wouldn't say these things if they didn't believe it.
Not just because I'm a cool, nice, outgoing, fun loving guy.
I struck fear into defenses. They didn't just go out
there and say we're going to hold him to fifty yards.
They're trying to say, we're trying to make sure he
doesn't get fifty yards on one carry. End quote from
Fred Taylor.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, and that's truth because he was. He's the best
running back I've ever gone up against. And and that
you know, I've gone up against a lot of them.
I've gone up against Jerome Bettis, hall of Famer. I've
gone up against Emmitt Smith, hall of Famer. You know,
(03:02):
I mean, you name it. I've gone up against a
lot of a lot of great running back Marsel Faulks Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What made him better than everybody else?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
He he so he's tall, He's like deceptively tall, Like
I don't know, he's like six he's got to be
like six two. He's quick like a short back listed
at six yeah, yeah, six to one might be. I'd
give him six to two, like six one, six two,
(03:37):
but I mean that's still tall for running back. Six
to one is still tall. But he he just had
a he just happened to have a skill like of
as well rounded a skill set as as skill sets,
so he could he could do what smaller backs could do.
(04:01):
He could make you miss in small spaces, he could
run away from you in open field, and that's why
he made so many big plays.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Also powerful, like he was strong and he could he
could run through your tackles and he was just to me,
Fred Taylor was the most difficult back that I ever faced.
And it just it wasn't even close. So I don't
(04:34):
you know, he just he just had a rare blend
that was just very very.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And it was just nice to watch. I mean, he just.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Looked really he just had a good look to him too,
So it was like everything all things considered, like he
just had everything, every box checked off. And I just
I don't understand why it's taken so long for Fred Taylor.
It makes absolutely no sense to me why it's taken
(05:07):
so long for Fred Taylor to get the call to
the hall. And I'll give you another one. I'll give
you another one out of the backfield, Corey Dillon. You
look at Corey Dillon and his body of work and
what he was able to accomplish as a as a
football player. I mean those two right there, if we're
just talking, if we're just keeping it to me too,
(05:30):
because there's there's a laundry list for me, you know,
Willie Willy Anderson, Greg Lloyd. Uh. I mean there's there's
a few. Brian Mitchell comes to mind. I don't understand.
There is no one that will ever break Brian Mitchell's
Special teams records. No one will and and yet Devin
(05:53):
Hester is almost in in the Hall of Fame, and
his numbers are wharfed, not just just out done. Devin
Hester's stats are dwarfed by Brian mitchell stats. So there
are a few that just really really should be in
the in the Hall of Fame. But the first one
(06:14):
that always comes to mind is Fred Taylor.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So here's my theory as to why Fred Taylor is
not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, he played in Jacksonville. I mean it's the same
just got.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
BESSELLI waited for how long? And BISSELLI, anybody you talk to,
says man Tony Boselli is one of the most dominant
offensive linemen we've ever seen, and his career wasn't as
long as maybe it'd hoped it had been because of
the injuries. But Tony BISSELLI waited a long ass time
to get in. Fred Taylor still not in. I think
it's got a lot to do with their where they played.
I think I think that's something. And I also think
(06:49):
to your point on the Hester Brian Mitchell comparisons Hester had.
First of all, him returning that kick in the Super
Bowl is why I think he's even in the conversation,
because he opened up a Super Bowl the kick return
for a touchdown. Man, I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Riyan Mitchell, I believe has two.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But does he have that moment? And I think that's
Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Hey, Bro See, this is the problem with stuff like this, right,
is that we look at at Devin Hester. We look
at at Devin Hester, and you say, does he have
that moment? Well, if you were able to see that
man's career he got one super Bowl, if you were
(07:30):
able to see his career and the things that he
was doing. Most career kickoff return yards fourteen thousand, fourteen thousand,
career return yards, most career punt return yards four thousand,
nine hundred and ninety nine yards, most career most career
(07:52):
total return yards nineteen thousand yards, nineteen thousand and thirteen yards.
Come on, man like, Stats do not lie. And while
I will say in some cases you can make arguments against.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Stats, but production is production.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And name me, how are you not the most important
at that position if you are the career leader in
kickoff return yards, kickoff or punt return yards.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Please explain that to me, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, I agree with you. I think it's if you're
And also the way that we've seen what they've done
with kickoffs, they've just devalued that position more and more.
It still doesn't take away from the fact that that
was an impact play for a lot of years and
at an impact play. He was the best and had
the most impact on it and still not recognized.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
He's got thirteen special teams touchdowns and he's only second
in NFL history behind Devin Hester. Yeah, I mean he's
got nine punt return touchdowns. That's third behind Eric Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Hevy.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Honestly, it's he's ranked the greatest, the second greatest specialist
in NFL history. Bye bye, you know NFL network by
by an outlet. But I mean, if you're gonna put
a punter or a kicker into the Hall of Fame,
(09:33):
if you're gonna put Devin Hester into the Hall of
Fame at some point, why are you not talking about
Brian Mitchell getting into the Hall of Fame. Why is
Brian Mitchell not a shoe win to go into the
Hall of Fame. I just feel like there are some
situations that take place that make you question the validity
of what the Hall of Fame represents.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's uh so one of the things on Fred Taylor and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm want to go back because it was bringing me
back to Fred Taylor.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah no, but how if Fred Taylor has.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
The type of career he has to your point, and
with the Giants if he has it, if he has
it with the Steelers, which is crazy because they played
against the Steelers all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But if he.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Has if he has his career, if for the Rams
or someone else, like he's a shoeing to go to
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, and look, he's seventeenth all time in rushing yards.
I mean John Riggins is a Hall of Famer. He's
got more rushing yards than John Riggins. And he's right
sort of in that same, you know, same you know
ballpark as Corey Dillon that you mentioned, who's also not
a Hall of Famer, but Fred Taylor, the company he keeps,
he's just behind Thurman Thomas hall of Famer. He's just
(10:43):
behind Frank o'harris and Marcus Allen and Edrin James and
Marshall Falk. Like he's just like he's there in the mix.
I think where he played because he's a borderline guy.
I think people, you know, because he played in Jacksonville,
that works against him. One of the other things that
was pointing out, and this is from Michael David Smith
the Pro Football Talk. He pointed out just sort of
(11:04):
where he was in his career, and he said that
working against Taylor. He was never considered the best running
back in the NFL. He never wasn't He never finished
any season in the top five in the league in
rushing yards from scrimmage or touchdowns, and was never a
first team All.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Pro, never a first team All pros and made that point.
And he was only a Pro Bowl at one time.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, and he never got to a Super Bowl. But
I don't know that that is necessarily a make or
break here.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I told you guys yesterday on the show that Pro
Bowls and All Pro bids matter. He was never a
first teamer, never a first team All Pro, and made
the Pro Bowl one time. Now I do I will
say that that works against him, you know, I mean,
it certainly works against him.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know what I don't like about this. I don't
like that we take individual season achievements and those are
more important than the career. It's like, like, if you're
just listing and this isn't you know, attacking Pro football
talker Michael David Smith who came up with this, But
if you're looking at all, right, why isn't he in?
You know, we could talk about Jacksonville, But if you're
(12:08):
looking at well, he never finished in the top five
in a season. Here he never finished. It's like when
you're scoring a boxing fight. If you're scoring a twelve
round fight, you don't give the fight to the guy
who had the bet the most dominant round. You give
the guy. You give the fight to the guy who
won the fight, who won the most rounds. Like he
could be dominant in the fourth and fifth round, but
(12:29):
if he lost every other round, you can't reward him
the fight. Fred Taylor was consistently one of the better
backs in the NFL. He may not have had that
outrageous season like we've seen from a Chris Johnson who
went for two thousand yards, but at some point, isn't
consistency part of the conversation here, It's.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Like a longevity, a longevity of your body of work.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Okay, Frank, or certainly what pays dividend.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Frank Gore should be a Hall of Famer, And I'm
telling you right now, there's gonna be some people who
want to argue against it. And he's third all time
because Frank Gore, much like Fred Taylor, was never the
best running back in the NFL. Ever, Never one time
anybody said Frank Gore was the best running back. But
at some point doesn't sixteen thousand yards have to factor
(13:16):
into the conversation, Like Frank core was never an All Pro.
Like he never was an All Pro, he never won
a Super Bowl, like he went to some Pro Bowls.
But just the idea that we're going to take who
had the most outrageous seasons and have those take precedent
over a longevity and a career of success and just
(13:37):
consistency like a Fred Taylor had. I don't know that's
where some of this When we try and argue against
why somebody should be in, it doesn't make much sense.
I think Fred Taylor should get in, and now we
just wait to see if it happens.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, it would be nice to see that happen
for some of the guys. It would restore a little
bit of hope and a little bit of faith and
what's taking place. But with that being said, you know,
it is what it is, like. I just you see
what you see. Things happen the way that they happen,
(14:11):
and all you can do is just hope that you
had a body of work when you played the game
that is to me respected by your peers. The fact
that you have so many guys that there's such an
outcry for guys like Fred Taylor to get there.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
They're they're just doing get their flowers.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I mean, I think that that that tells it all,
that that speaks volumes.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'd like to believe I was one of the greatest,
if not greatest defensive players to ever play college football,
and I don't. I don't find that to be a stretch.
I'll put my highlights. I won't put my stat line,
which comes back to it, I don't I want to
put my stat line up against a whole bunch of
people because stats. Stats can lie in some instances, but
(15:01):
in terms of just an impact player on the game,
I'll put my resume up against anyone.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You see.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think though you were cutting, I think you know
you jumped off sides a lot a lot of face matter.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, never never never never cut corners never never. I
mean jumped off sides a few times.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the point is, the point is I just went
into the Hall of Fame last year. This past year.
I've been out of college since two thoy ninety nine
was my last season, and you'll see a guy that
did not have anywhere near not even in the same
ballpark or stratosphere of the type of career I had
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in college that goes in. So it just makes you
start to realize how politically driven some of this stuff is. Jonas.
It's not really about getting it right. Sometimes it's about
it's about like whose hand is getting greased and stuff
like that. Like, I really think that there's way more
(16:02):
to it sometimes. And I'm not trying to call out,
you know, the Hall of Fame for college because I'm
in it now, so you know, I have no hard
feelings for it taking so long, not at this point.
But I will say I will say when you look
at some of the guys that are not in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, I just I don't understand
(16:25):
how you miss on on things like that, Like is
that hard to justify putting Fred Taylor into the Football
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh, he had one, he had one Pro Bowl? Bit
But if you look at the guys that they.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Were putting into the Pro Bowl, you know, you only
get X amount of guys that get to go in
and and and it's it's even fewer.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's even fewer for for all all Pro.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's even fewer. So you know, I don't know. Whatever
the way of measuring engaging is. Sometimes somebody brought up
we brought up Joe Namath yesterday. I mean, if you,
if you can, if you, if you keep AFL involved,
that makes sense. But if you're not including the a
(17:14):
f L, then by all, all all standards given, if
you had a pretty decent career and won won a championship, you.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, there are some There are some linebackers that are
in the line in the Hall of Fame that don't
have more Pro Bowls than me. There are some players
in the Hall of Fame that don't have more Pro
Bowls than me. So it I mean, and I'm not
sitting here saying I deserve to be in in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, but I think a guy
like Fred Taylor belongs in the Pro Football Hall of
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Fame even though he only had one Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I mean, I have a vote for the College Football
Hall of Fame, and I actually voted against you multiple
years in a row.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I voted. I mean, you can't vote against me.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean I was only on the ballot one time,
and and it happened to beat the respect on my
peers that got me up in that bad boy, So
thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
My vote was anybody but LeVar Like that was every
year when they asked me to vote on the College
Football Hall of fam I was like, I don't like
what he did to that running back from Illinois when
he jumped over the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't like boy on that ballot, I said, pull up.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I don't like what he did to Dick Buckets's nephew
uh in that game for the LeVar leap. So how
dare you disgrace a great family like the Buffs. It
is Two Pros and a Cup of Two on Fox
Sports Radio. It's LaVar Arrington, Jonas NOx with you here
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(18:41):
novel idea. Apparently now we know why one quarterback has
had the start to his career that he's had. We'll
give you the details on that. That's next.
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It's a Tuesday tradition, another edition of would you Rather?
And that'll be yours again twenty minutes from now here
on FSR SO LeVar Arrington. Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati
Bengals are one of the teams that people look at
(19:27):
in the NFL going all right, yeah, they're legitimate contender,
legitimate threat to win a Super Bowl. Now, there's like
a handful of those teams. The Bengals would follow on
that in that list of teams and their offensive coordinator,
Brian Callahan. He spoke with James Rapine, by the way,
former Fox Sports Radio intern James Rapine, Good Dude, and
Jake Liscow of the Locked On Bengals podcast recently and
(19:51):
he discussed Joe Burrow's familiarity with the offense and what
has made him successful this far.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
What's fun for me this year with Burrows and we
get to these meetings and we watched seven on seven together,
and you know, you get a chance to have. Joe
almost coaches those guys. He's he's very clear on what
he expects from a certain routes where he wants guys
to be the timing that it happens. It's really fun
to listen to him explain to everybody what he wants.
And so when he's making a coaching point, to say,
(20:19):
IRV Smith at some point, that's all the tight ends
are supposed to hear that. When he's talking to Jamar
about something, all those young receivers are going to hear it.
And so that parts really fun because he's got mastery
over our system now, which is a really cool thing
to watch him grow in that and be able to
almost become more like a coach.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So imagine that a quarterback in the NFL who has
the same system, same head, coach, same coordinator for a
number of years in a row, and he's more familiar
with everything that got going on. It's amazing how that works.
It's almost like everywhere in life where if you have
a little bit of consistency around you, you're able to
get more things done and have better success. And for
(20:59):
some reason the NFL, like what do we want to do?
Turn and burn coaches in one or two years and
then blame the players for why they don't have success
moving forward and not point to the fact that the stability,
the organization, the pieces around them kind of plays a
big factor and all that stuff. I don't know why
that's such a novel novel idea, Hey, why don't we
(21:19):
get just go ahead? And I know they struggled last year,
but you know, for the sake of the development of
this quarterback or this player and this team, why don't
we just get roll through like we did with Zach
Taylor and Joe Burrow? Like why is this still an
issue in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I really don't know. It's a great question. But what
I will say is we talked about this the other
day on the show, where I'm just it's pretty cool
hearing how these coaches these days are making it a
point to give that type of ownership and props to
(21:57):
their players. I think that we were talking about Aaron
Rodgers the last time we had a conversation of this
this topic, right, and and so to me, it's a
sign of the times. I think it's better to be
humble and have the trust and the confidence of who
you're coaching versus be arrogant and risk the relationship dynamic
(22:24):
between you and your player and you and your players
to give.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Him his his just doing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Say, look, man, this guy understands the system well enough
where he's almost basically a coach on the field.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You know, there are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Guys that are like that that are in the league there.
And when I say a lot, I mean there is
a special few, but there are a lot of guys
that understand the game that way. Whether it's a receiver,
whether it's a running back, whether it's a lineman, whether
it's a defensive lineman or a linebacker or safety or
even a corner. There are these players are on the
(22:59):
field where they understand formations, they understand tendencies, they understand
a lot of different things, and based upon their understanding
of what the defensive schemes are, they're able to present
some really really amazing impactful information. They can get guys
lined up in the right situations. They can help them
(23:21):
to make bigger plays. This happens all the time, but
you don't hear about it. And it's like it's okay
to minimize the intelligence level of football players because it
maximizes the intelligence level of the coaches, so.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Like the parts that I've never understood. And I remember,
like I was having conversations with Brady about this years ago.
I'm like, why would you draft a player high based
on how good he was playing the way he played
in college and then ask him to do something different
than what he was doing when he was having success
(23:58):
in college?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like it, It's a great fing question, Jonas.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
And it's almost like to your point, nowadays, people have realized, oh,
what a what a what a novel idea? Why don't
we take what they're good at and build around that.
That's what That's.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
What what thee flipping figure, That's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson. They just said, listen, this.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Is what lewis. Yes, you know that's I mean, don't
you think about it?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What took so long?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I mean, they had Erlacker playing and I'm just keeping
it to the realm of linebackers because I can just
recall it. They had those. They had Erlacker playing weak
side linebacker when he first came into the league, and
he eventually and we talked about this, they Erlacker was
(24:44):
like a hybrid linebacker safety in college. Me and him
pretty much played the same exact position, except I rushed
on third downs in college. I get to the league,
they make me the saundbacker. I'm backer goes onto the
ball and is standing over top of the tight end
(25:05):
and has to take on the tight end. And I'm
sitting there thinking to myself, I'm gonna do my job.
I'm not thinking anything else. I got to figure out
how to handle Howard Cross and Mark Brunner and all
of these strong ass blocking tight ends that I have
to deal with. And that's never what I did. You
(25:27):
drafted me number two overall and you put me over
top of a tight end, Like, did I cover tight
ends on passing downs? I act like I'm blitzing cover
the tight end? Sure, but you put me on the
tight end like you had me had strong side linebacker
when I came in. If anything, you should have put
me in the middle. Put me in the middle, line
(25:49):
me up a little bit deeper, and let me run
to the ball. That's what I did. That's how I
wanted the buckets. That's how I became an All American.
That's how I did the things that I did. You
find your way to the flow of the game. I'll
never understand why people will do things that minimize the
strengths of someone that you brought in to be a
(26:11):
pillar and a star. Work Like I could see you
taking somebody that that is a role player and and
and saying, this is your role getting that gap, fill
that gap, make two guys block you. That's what you were.
That's why we brought you here. And that's reflective on
your paycheck. That's reflective on everything. But that wasn't that
(26:32):
That shouldn't be for your quarterback or any of your
playmaking players.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Because in that case, you're identifying a strength. All right,
this is what they like. Belichick's always done that. What
is this guy good at?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
All? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That that works for me. I can find a spot
for this guy and I can play to his strengths,
and that's why he's taken. You know, I don't want
to say gadget players, but you know, a guy like
a Wes Welker man, Wes Welker was totally miscast and
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Plays take your pick, even even with Gronkowski. Yeah, you know,
you were putting these guys in situations where they could
maximize the talent and the skill level that they brought
to the table. The great coaches know how to do that.
You would be surprised how many coaches just do not
(27:18):
know how to flip and coach. They trash, trash, and
yet they get jobs.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Over and over and over and over again. Trash.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it.
That's why sometimes you think to yourself, why is there?
Like I hate the fact that we turn the coaching
carousel into a racial thing in the sense that not
that it's not true. I hate that it turns into
a racial thing because it distracts from what the true
(27:52):
reality is is that whether you're white, Black, Asian, Mexican,
whatever it may be, Latino, whatever it is. The problem
I have is good coaching versus bad coaching. Bring in
good coaches. Once a coach proves a few times that
they're not good a good coach, then get them out.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
They don't they don't belong there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't care that you're you have the same last
name as this guy who was a pretty dog on
good coach. I don't care that you're you're from this
coaching tree. I don't care that you know these people.
You can't coach here. You can't coach at this level.
You know what they you know who they do that
to Jonas, They do it the players. They do it
(28:38):
the players. Once a player proves he can't play at
that next level.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He's gone out of there.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Out of there, gone. You'll never see that person again.
But yet you'll see a trash ass coach next thing.
You know, Oh, let's just put them here. Oh let's
he coaches defense. Well, you know what, we don't have
a position for that, So let's make him the receivers coach.
We'll just stick him out receivers coach, and then he'll
(29:07):
coach receivers and then eventually we'll be able to get
him back on to the defense. And get him back
on to the defense. He eventually becomes a defensive coordinator.
Then he eventually becomes a head coach. Like what the
flip man, There's no way I'll say this as long
as he's a coach in the league.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't understand how McDaniels is a coach in the league.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
He's trash, trash, He's just one of the easiest examples.
He's an easy targets. And I don't know that's not
me attacking him as a person.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Now you're talking about Josh McDaniel's not Mike Vape Daniel.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yeah, Mike Mike Vape Daniels seems to be all right
for now. Yeah, he's good. He seems to be all right.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But but Josh, Josh gave you enough of a sample
size in Denver trash.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Now he's in in Vegas? What is he in Vegas?
Jonas more trash? So am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong? Damn,
tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You're going to Vegas this week?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You can't coach? What if you go ahead and jump?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm just saying, what if you run into Josh McDaniels
while you're hanging out at.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
You know, the one good thing about me, you never
have to wonder where you're staying with me. If you
saw me on the street and you avoided me because
of something that I said, then that's on you. If
you see me on the street and you want to
talk about it, we could talk about it. I just
think it's poor, poor decision on my part. Then you
could talk to me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
About I just think that. You know, it creates an
awkward dynamic if you're standing in the urine next to
Josh McDaniels at thunder from down Under, and.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I'm sure he would feel more awkward based upon us
being at that thing together and him feeling the way
that he's feeling standing next to a grown ass mamma.
I know we wouldn't We wouldn't be having topic exchange then,
because he just you know, he'd be in a hurry
to wash his hands and get up out of there
because the mamma was loose.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
You know, I'd be asking why they put a urinal
in the batting cages?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Would I be asking, like, wait, wait, why does it
sound so different?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
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And now would you.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Would you rather random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
All right?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
To lead the lap again? Is not here today? He
was supposed to be here, but you know, he was
in an airport and apparently it's plane didn't take off.
That's a story we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So I don't know based off of them messages man
that he accidentally said to us, I mean he could
or could not be telling the full truth.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, I'm not trying to air him out here, but
Arnie Spanier, Fox Sports Radio Legend sent me a picture.
He lives on the East Coast and you could not
oh beautiful wow, Like I mean, it's like it should
be in a calendar. And Lee apparently couldn't make it
through the beautiful sunshine to get here for the show.
(34:46):
So justin Cooper's here though, and he's excited about it.
Nothing like a well four hour show. It turns into seven?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Lie?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Is that a drop?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What going on? What do we got, Coop? What sort
of hard hitting questions you got for us this week?
All right?
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Would you rather be stuck in Jurassic Park or Jumanji.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Ooh, that's a good one. Coop, Damn, that is a
good one. I mean, aren't they kind of one in
the same Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, dinosaurs are fake, So I'll go Jurassic Park just
because there's no real threats there.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
What, no way I'm gonna go Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, all those bones happen to be intact. They find
all those years later.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Don't you get multiple laves in too?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Isn't it like a game? Isn't Jumanji a game?
Speaker 10 (35:48):
It is a game, but like if you get like
sucked into Jumanji, then you have to stay there until
somebody else beats the game or or rolls rolls something
on the dice.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Is it like Survivor You.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Get so many lives though, right if you get banged
out you come back as something else, right, damn?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Or or you get Zion's tattoo on your face.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (36:23):
All I know is Robin Williams went into the game
as a twelve year old and then he came back
out as like a forty year old.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I mean, it wasn't Jack Black in that movie too? Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I know, nobody watched that one.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
It was Robin to say it wasn't that a jamanji?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
So I'm legit here, I'm going ji.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Was Robin Williams stealing material in that movie? Or just
as comedy routines?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Just wondering?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Dang bruh, you know you do know Robin Williams is gone?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yes, I disrespect, I'm aware it's too soon. Hey, I'm
not making stuff up here? Look that up that he's
been accused of stealing material?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Who has kind of made a little material?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Carlo Racist?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
You please hit the button? Sound? Can you please hit
the button? Come on?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Racist?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know that?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Sam people Sam.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Racist?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Thank you my god? Damn?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
What else?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
All?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right?
Speaker 10 (37:25):
Would you rather speak to animals or all foreign languages?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
All foreign languages? Animals, all foreign languages?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You know that's been the biggest drawback when I was
younger to having a good time in life, is just
not being able to I just don't know the languages.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but wouldn't you like to know what animals really
think about us?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I would know because here's the thing, right, do I
need to be able to talk to a lion or
a tiger? Like, Hey, mister Lyon, can you confirm for
me that you want to eat me? Yeah, homie, I
was thinking I might eat part of you. Now it's
save some of you for later. Maybe deliver a leg
(38:14):
to the cubs, you know, like you don't need that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Sam, he's got the lion saying yeah, Homie, I mean
we're gonna take this here on the show, like like
that's that's well, Hello.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There, sir, Welcome to the Serengeti Johnson.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
What's going to take place next, sir?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'd talk to animals.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Here and Zaia and and we're going to uh, well,
we're just going to have a little discussion with you.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And yes, plus if you're if you can talk to animals,
you can find out like whether or not you know
somebody your dating is fooling around on you while you're gone,
like they're the ring camera before the ring camera.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, I'd love to talk to the baboons while
I was mating season.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
What are you thinking about that over there,
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