July 10, 2023 • 38 mins
LaVar and Geoff discuss the best fits for Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Hopkins who must decide between chasing money or rings. Andrew Luck is eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame next season but does he have any shot? Mahomes turns heads with his new digs and a look ahead to the Home Run Derby on "You In or Out?"
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So damn feeling good. Let's go. All right, Well, I'll
tell you who's probably up and wondering what they're going
to do or what's going to happen next. Is Dalvin
Cook and DeAndre Hopkins. The watch is still on. They
remain unsigned. Uh, let's get some You got some details
on this, mister Lee the lap Do we have any
(02:14):
type of details on I do believe Dalvin Cook has
been offered but has actually turned down offers maybe or
an offer.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yes, reportedly they he has turned down the offer, the
current offer from the Miami Dolphins. His agent has come
out and said the Jets are all in. Uh So,
that's the latest on Dalvin Cook. DeAndre Hopkins. We all
know he's visited New England and Tennessee. Reports are that
Tennessee has offered a much more aggressive offer to DeAndre
Hopkins and Kansas City is reportedly in talks with him,
but has not given an offer to DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What say you, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, I'll it you know right now, Kansas City is
gonna offer you nothing. So if you want to go
put the Chiefs, you'll get a veteran deal that the
Chiefs paid for a left tackle. It payted Donald's at
four million dollars in the give a bunch of incentives,
and that's what they'll do with with with with the
Andrew Hopkins to me, you know, for Hopkins especially, it's
what do you want from your career right now? Right
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because you have you've had a long career, You've got
a successful career personally, what do you want? How much
winning do you want to do? And how much is
it worth to you? Right LeVar? Because he can get
a deal on a bad football team for more money,
no question about it. Or he chased a ring for
less money, and and you know guys and at certain
parts of their career decide, you know what, I'm gonna
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start ring chasing. I've made my money, and there's you're
always make more and another wrong with with with with
making money. But at some point you say, Okay, I
made my money, I'm gonna go chase some rings. And
if Hopkins want to chase the ring, the Chiefs will
have them at the price they want, right, they have
the When you're that good and people want to come
play for you, you get to kind of choose how
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much you want to pay these guys. If I were
him at his point in his career, I never I
never won a championship. I don't know. If I don't know,
if you won, I would choose a championship. Someone who
never won one, I would choose one. And so that's
what I would do if I ran him now. Davincok
is a different sentuation. He's younger and maybe he'd be
more picky where he goes. But affortunate for him, his
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position at running back is non valued like others. He's
not gonna see the money that that he thinks he's
gonna get, and he's gonna have to maybe accept a
lower deal and better on yourself, sign a smaller deal
for the years wise and have a good year and
get out and find that big money somewhere. That's what
I would do if I were those guys. I don't
know where those places are for each of them. Again,
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if Kansas City wants you, if you're Hopkins, man, I
don't know how you turn that down. You the best
quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna win or do you repeat?
I don't know, but you could sign a multi year
deal there. That's why I would choose Leavar. I'm not
in his shoes, obviously, that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I tend to agree with your thought process because the
one the one piece that just to add on to
what you said is that when you win championships, when
you've had a great career, a prolific career such as
DeAndre Hopkins has had, and you add a Super Bowl
to that that resume and you've played a part in it,
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that equates to more money anyway in the end, right
on the flip side or the opposite side, the back
end of it. When you're coming out of the league
and you're looking at what you're going to do next.
People want to work with a winner. Yes, it's much
more difficult. I'll tell you. I'll speak from experience. Jeff
never won a championship, just got just got into a
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situation of note being a college Football Hall of Famer.
But it's if you're not a Hall of Famer with
a gold jacket, you don't get as much work, especially
if you're in the work that I'm in and the
work we're in, they just just tends to be very
scarce for people that haven't won. You know, draft picks,
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how about win not a Hall of Famer. I know firsthand,
you got it way worse. I mean I could sit
there and leverage number two overall draft pick. But you know,
but the thing about it is is that I'm gonna
still get trumped by guys who have won Super Bowl,
the guys who have gone to the Hall of Fame.
So to me, when you think about people wanting to
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work with you, want to deal with you, it's because
you're a winner, and they identify with it, and they
believe that other people will identify with it as well,
and that becomes successful business for them in the end.
And so if I'm DeAndre Hopkins. I'm looking at this
opportunity as your one hundred percent correct. The super Bowl
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conversation becomes the conversation of note of guys like DeAndre Hopkins. Oh,
I had a prolific career but couldn't get over the
hump in Houston. Goes to Arizona. You know, has a
little injury deal. You know, it has a little little
performance enhancing suspension. Whatever. Things kind of fell apart in
the end and he's no longer there. It was not
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a stay of note in Arizona. So right now, your
last memory as a pro football player is not that
of a glowing one, but it's one of hunt. Didn't
work out very well in Arizona. So to me, to
go to a situation where you can find where you
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can find a quarterback and you can find a coaching
staff that understands what you got going on your skill set,
I think that that has more value than getting a
blockbuster money deal. And I would say that for Dalvin
Cook as well. I think it exists for Dalvin Cook.
I think it's very intriguing the New York Jets opportunity,
and I find the Miami Dolphins offered to be a
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very intriguing one, even though he turned it down. I
think he wants to kind of create a larger market
for himself by not just taking what's being offered to him.
Right now, I would ask you, do you think that
that's a wise move from Dalvin Cook to turn down
a bird in the hand and looking at other birds
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in the bushes. In the bush, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I mean everyone, you know, again, every player is different.
It's very easy to you know, for us to have
hindsight as retired players and say, hey, man, take less
money because it's a better situation. And I think in
our career there were times when we could have maybe
used that same advice, but we didn't. And you know,
for Cook again, you know you're to me at his
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point in his career, I would maximize, you know, opportunity
to showcase what I can do over money. And I
get there's a certain amount of money that is not negotiable.
I need to make this amount of money. I gotta
make this amount of money to play football. I get that,
but play of players can get that situation. It's a
great spot to be in to know that you have
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a minimum. But you know, he's made I'm looking up
right now. I mean he's made millions already, and so
I would chase opportunity. Man, I would chase the Dolphins
right now? Are you know are going to be really good?
I think this season? I don't think. I think I
know they're gonna be good. You'd a very creative offense
with the ability to uh to do a lot of
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things that benefit your your your skill sets. And you
have one good year there, you help them win, and
you know they want to sign you back or someone
else looks at Dalvin and says, hey, man, he can
help us get to the place that we want to be.
So I would chase opportunity. We are the best opportunity
for me, the best place to showcase my ability, my skill.
Trying to pull up right now. He's his career so far,
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you know, Yeah, these are online numbers. That doesn't count
some bonuses. One he's made thirty two million dollars so
far in his career six seasons. So I don't I
think I would chase the best opportunity for me.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Which one would you chase between the Jets and the Dolphins.
It sounds like you're thinking Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I would take the Dolphins. Yeah, I am sort of
same offense. Look, Nathan Hackett is the OC for the Jets.
He has not been a good offensive coordinator when he
has been in charge of an offense. Skip me with
that Blake Born all season they were like seventeenth on
offense that year. That's it. Okay, one one year they
were sort of good an offense when he's been the OC.
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Michael McDaniel can can call game.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We saw that last year, and I think I would Chase.
I would go to the Dolphins. The Jets offensive line
might be slightly better if healthy, but you you saw
the results last year of of what you could do.
Plus if you go to the Jets. I mean when
Bruce Hall comes back, he's their guy. They drafted him,
like you know you're gonna play till the other guy
comes back.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, makes sense. I just don't know if two is
going to stay healthy. That's that's the only absolutely issue.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
When you have to learn how to fall, that's not great.
But can you right, like, well, you have to learn?
I agree, man, I mean he got to of the concussions.
The counsions happens many different ways, so it's not one
way they happened. They weren't vicious hits. He just fell
backwards on his head.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Hey, those are the ones. Those are the ones.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to find a way to protect yourself better.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, well, there you go. We protect ourselves here pretty well,
and you know what, we're going to stay protected during
this break on the other side of it, all right,
coming up on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
Live from the tiraq dot Com studios. Well, there's a
quarterback that had a really, really prolific career, but was
it Hall of Fame worthy. We'll debate that, discuss it
(11:28):
however you want to, you know, take it. We're going
to talk about it next here on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe on LeVar Arrington. That's Jeff Schwartz
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
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Speaker 1 (11:57):
Ah, all right, we're jamming. We've been jamming for a
little while now, all right, welcome back in. Yeah, that's
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Got I'm a man,
Jeff Schwartz with me, I'm LeVar Arrington. We'll carry you
up to six am, nine am. If you're on the
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East coast. Hope you're enjoying the show. We have a
pretty interesting conversation here right now. Jeff, I'm gonna have
our one lead to lap give you a rundown of
a stat kind of a resume, and you tell me,
do you believe this guy is a Hall of Famer?
(12:41):
Void of a name, We'll leave the person nameless and
let's just get your opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What you got? Yes? That is correct?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
From This was a tweet that went viral from at
NFL Rookie Watch that over the first six seasons of
this player's career, the stats were boggling. Trying to jump
over the guy's name. Had one hundred and seventy one
passing touchdowns, third all time, trailing only Dan Marino and
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
For the first six seasons of his career.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
This is correct, Okay, twenty three sundred and seventy one
passing yards fourth all time, trailing only Peyton Manning, Marino
and Mahomes. Two hundred and seventy five passing yards per game,
third all time, trailing only Matthew Stafford and Mahomes. Now
he is officially eligible for the Hall of Fame this
following this season.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Do you find this to be a Hall of Fame resume.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
If you play longer than six seasons? Sure? This is
Andrew Lock. And I saw this twin yeah, and I think, yeah,
it is Andrew Lock. And here's here's the thing. Here's
the hard discussion to have. Okay, there's been a couple
of players in recent memory that have been Hall of
Famers for shorter careers. We just had one inducted this pastor,
Tony Biselli, Right, Yeah, who was played most three really
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good years, was first team All Pro. And that's kind
of about it, right, He just was had injuries and
he had to retire because of those injuries. Andrew Luck
retired because of injuries. But but this is the difference,
and this is kind of semantics of it. He kind
of retired on his own though, like he could have
kept going, right, He wasn't medically retired, And I understand
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why he retired. I was injured my entire career. It stinks.
It's mentally draining, and I get why he retired. I
supported him when it happened. I wrote about it. I
totally agree with his decision to retire at that point.
But LaVar, when you talk about Hall of Fame in
that position a quarterback, it's just not enough time. And
then he retired on his own right and that those
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things are going to hurt him when when it comes.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
To this discussion, I think what hurts him is he's
never been an MVP. He's never been a first team
All Pro. I don't know that he's ever been in
All Pro period. Has he ever been in All Pro?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I'm gonna look it up. That does matter when it
comes to discussion, because you want to be the best
in your position. I shouldn't at some point. You know,
obviously you hope is a Hall of favorites multiple points.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I would think I would think that if those are
not present. I know he made the Pro Bowl multiple times,
I believe four times, right, four times?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think is a first team or just made the
Pro Bot.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Again, And that's very important as well. Are you an
alternate guy or were you like a first pick, like
were you a pick to start in the Pro Bowl?
Were you an elite to go to the Pro Bowl?
I just you know, for me, I think he's had
Statistically speaking, he's definitely had a he has a strong case.
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But having not won a Super Bowl, and we just
had that conversation last segment, I think not having a
super Bowl or at least a super Bowl appearance on
your resume as as the guy and not having am
I right on this on all pro bids? No, all
pro bids?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But he did remember get an AFC finalist band and
the rafters at Lucaszuel STATEIU.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
They did do that. Yes, that's definitely accomplishment for him
for him.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Or and four in the postseason by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Okay, four and four, Okay, I mean that's not bad.
I think I think the odds are more more against
him than they are for him, even with the six
six year run of tremendously amazing statistics. I mean, am
I wrong for that? Am I wrong for filling that?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I don't think you are. Look, dude, we played them
in twenty thirteen in the playoffs and they it was
we were up twenty eight points in the third quarter
of loss. So I mean, it wasn't a great game
for my memory, but he was an incredible player man,
Like no one doubt if he would have played the
entire career, even just even a short and let's say
he plays twelve thirteen years a quarterback, which is kind
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of get a shorter career for player like that, he
would have been in the Hall of Fame. He just
didn't play long enough. Like he just that that it happens.
Guys get hurt, you retire like that. That's part of football.
It's one hundred percent injury rates.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So here here, here's a great like comp to that. Right,
say Patrick Mahomes retired today.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He'd he would be a Hall of Famer because he's
won two Super Bowls and he's been a two time MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Here you go. You see what I'm saying. Like you
see how easy that was. It's such an easy conversation.
But I think with with Andrew Luck, I think there
has to be a pause and debate as to are
these stats within his first six seasons significant enough to
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overlook not being an all pro, to overlook not winning
the Super Bowl? Is are these big enough? Are these
stats big enough for us to put him amongst the
greatest ever of all time? With this body of work?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I would say I would say no, I you know,
my Hall of Fame thoughts are are you I sort
of think like you have to be the best in
your position over a certain amounts. Ever one of the
best to be the Hall of Fame, Like I, I
kind of have gotten the point where I'm this is
funny coming from me. It's not a Hall of Famer
or anything that. Like, I just think that you have
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to be Like the Tony Boselli argument for me was
interesting because you know, he obviously didn't play very long,
but he was a first team All Pro left tackle
for three straight seasons at the same time that four
other Hall of Fame left tackles were playing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So Ogden was playing, Rofe was playing, Orlando Pace was playing,
and Walter Jones were playing.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That some of those guys were young, Okay, but again
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
During that time, Tony Biselli was the number one tackle
in the NFL with four other Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Pome only cle Me in my entire career really and life. Ever,
the Cleat liked Cleep.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Because you're you're a large human. To Cleveland a football
he deed me, and and so you Andrew Luck at
the time he was playing, was he better than Tom Brady. No,
was he better than Paid Manning? I mean no, right,
I mean now, Manning at that time in his career
had kind of, you know, gone down a little bit.
But man didn't win a Super Bowl in fifteen, right,
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So was he good? Aaron Rodgers? Would you say was
better good as same?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
What do you think? Yes? No?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Maybe? Like it so to me, that's part of the discussion,
as you said, right, like Patrick Mahonmes retires now too.
Super Bowls two MVPs, two Super Bowl MVPs. Mahomes has
played five seasons. LaVar has not has not played a
road playoff game yet. Yeah, that's hosted ten playoff games,
has hosted five ABC Championship games. The two APEC Championshi
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game losses were in overtime, like he did. And he
won this last season with a wide receiving corps that
everyone you know that it's not even a top fifteen
group in the NFL right now, and so Mahomes would
be in. I just think Luck's not luck luck, and
I have I have a good buddy who's best friend
to Andrew Lucky Luck seems like the great human, right,
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and again, I'm very happy he retired on his own
terms when he was mentally done with the sport. Great,
but that's that's to me, he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Mm hm, No, that definitely makes sense. Uh. Listen, Andrew
luck is my littermate in terms of college football Hall
of Fame, We're in the same class. I would love
to see him go in. If he does happen to
make it in, I would be a static and happy
for him. If I'm being critical, super critical, removed biased
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from from the scenario, it's probably going to be a
hard case. Now, there might be guys, and I don't
know this for a fact, there could be guys. I
know this, I know there there are guys in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame that don't have as many
Pro Bowl bids as he does. I would assume there's
some guys that don't even have the stat line all
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the way through that that he does. So that now
becomes a debate as well if you're doing comparisons, you know,
and the first name that a lot of people bring
up is Joe Namath. But but Joe Namath did win
a championship, win the Super Bowl, and and he you
know there there's I mean, he's when you talk about
Hall of Fame, not not hall love of I I did, X, Y,
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and Z. But the specifics of it is, it is
a Hall of Fame, correct, And that's as famous as
it's going to get. So I'm I'm curious to see
how that all plays out and how that works out
for Andrew Luck. I wish him luck, but I think
that's going to be a hard debate that that kind
of goes on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I think Andrew Luck would even say he's not a
Hall of Famer, but I don't think I think he
would be honest about that too. I don't think it's
like I don't think he would be like back, I'd
be the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I don't know. I it'd be interesting
to see because I think it's going to come down
to interpretation. I mean, some people say the same debate
exists for Eli Manning and he's got two super Bowl rings, So.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Don't we that's a discussion like that feels like the difference, Yeah,
like he was a two time super Bowl MVP, Like
he plays best games in the super Bowl. Yeah, I
think he's in the Hall of Fame if he.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Gets a league MVP of some sort of stuff if
he adds something, if something like that was on his resume,
I think it's a no brainer that Andrew Luck goes
into the Hall of Fame. But without that one crowning achievement,
I just find it, like with a six year career
as a quarterback, I just find that one hard too.
It's going to be a hard case to make for
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him to get in.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I agree, And I think that's what that's what you know,
we're gonna Hall of Fame voters off this. I don't
think he'll even make like that. I don't think he'll
make like even like the discussion. I don't think he'll
make like the top fifteen or whatever, you know, whatever
you know they do to to break it all down
at the area. I don't think we'll even get to there, right.
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before we go to break. I would I would love
to have this conversation Jeff about homes. And it's kind
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of funny because I'm saying homes. You can't spell big
ass homes without adding Patrick my homes to it. He
just purchased a tremendous estate, that is Patrick Mahomes. If
you didn't catch what I was doing, I don't know.
Maybe it was corny, but the Super Bowls that's okay,
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all right, all right, it kind of worked though, I mean,
you know, I mean, you get a dope ass home,
you know what I mean. Like, so it's like a
dope ass home for Patrick mahomes. He just bought a crib.
He's got a football field, all right, it's a I
want to say, a forty yard long football field that
he has. He's got a three whole course golf course
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we call it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think it's it's a par three hole one one
par three hole.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, there we go for all the golfers out there.
He's got his own little pond or what is you
call it?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That seems like a little bit of upkeep that pond.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It seems like a mean by the visual looks like
there's a little yet it looked like there might be
some sketish.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's a very very what do they call a sprawling
house home? It's pretty pretty pretty nice in.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The pool size, the pool seem a little bit small.
Come on, Patrick, get it together.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, this is and I don't I'm not one
hundred percent sure where it's located, so don't get me
to guessing. But if it's in can the city, by chance,
I'm certain If that pool wasn't indoor, he's not using
it very often, so how does that work? I mean,
it's outdoors, it is outdoor.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's an outdoor pool. And there's also I believe an
indoor basketball court. I know it's not. I think it's
right next to where kind of the field there is
like a half basketball court.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, so well he plans on staying active.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, I would imagine that. I would imagine that, all right,
So good for him. He he bought a lot, he
built a house. I built a house, you know, many
years ago now, but uh, it's it's a very fun
process to be able to do that. And I'm happy
for him because it's you know, it's awesome. He's in Belton, Missouri.
I don't know where. That's Kansas City. He has a
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Texas home as well, but this is like his his
his place in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So so during season, wow, while he's womping ass, he
leaves the facility to go to a better facility.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's a long way from the facility, though, is it
actually is not that bad? You know, in the morning,
at night you probably looking at you. It's actually not
that bad. Twenty minutes ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh so I drove forty five minutes to get to work.
Forty five maybe thirty maybe thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
No, not that bad.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Last year, my last year when I bought my what
was seemingly at the time my close to forever home,
which is kind of comparable to what he did, except
that we had real water in the back. It went
out to the to the bay, to Chesapeake Bay. But
I was on forty five acres and we were going
to do we were going to build a golf course
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onto the acreage and stuff like that. But I drove.
I mean, if people who know you know the DMV area.
I lived in Annapolis, I had a home in Annapolis,
and I was driving to Ashburn, Virginia. So it was
like literally it was like an hour and like at
the time I would leave it, probably I could get
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there in like forty five fifty minutes. It was rough.
It was a rough little drive. But I'll tell you what,
it was one hundred percent worth to drive. It was
worth to drive every single day. And then on game day,
after game day, I would go there, and I you know,
we played in Landover, Maryland, and we stayed in Green Belt, Maryland,
which was forty five or so minutes away from the
(28:23):
practice facility in Virginia. So I was actually closer to
home on game nights and game days than I was
on practice days.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So yeah, I couldn't do that. I couldn't live far away,
just like you.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Want that, do you want that? I'm gonna get my car.
I'm ana drive one minute. I'm in there. No, I was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I was like twelve minutes away. I was enough away
from the facility where I thought I wasn't near football.
But also, uh, you could wake up at you know,
six o'clock and be it by six thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But what if you start like I started off that
way right. I had a little townhouse right right down
the street, like literally two minutes away from where we
right from where we play. But then as I got
a little older, and you know, you start like expanding
on things and you're thinking about I started looking for
what I really really wanted to be in and the
(29:12):
perfect like if you come up on your perfect place,
Like there wasn't a lot. I looked at like six
or seven seven lots that I really liked that I
just couldn't the ease mints, all the rules, all that
stuff just wasn't going want wasn't going to work. And
then boom, I pull up on this private drive. There's
only four homes on the drive, and it set back
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it went all the way, the property went all the
way to the water, and the property went all the
way to the street and it was gorgeous. I just
this is this is the one like and it was like, man,
it's a drive. But then it's like, does your experience
in terms of how you live outweigh your inconvenience of
(29:57):
having to drive that amount of time? That's what that's
what like. I had to debate, and I ended up
debating against the drive, and I debated for the house.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, me and you were in different uh in
different uh different tax brackets at certain points in our career,
and so you know, I was not able to uh
to search for a house like that to basically ended
my career. Yeah. So I think for some of us
that are a different tax bracket, buddy, we we don't
get to search for our forever property until year like
(30:29):
you know eight in the NFL, and even then it's, uh,
I look, I love my house. I would I would.
The only thing I would do differently is I would
have put a dedicated you know office in for for work.
I didn't think I'd be working from home, so I
in one of our bedrooms. But I I you know,
I didn't have the uh, the privilege of doing building
a Patrick Mahome's house or being on the water like
(30:51):
like like uh like you or so. I love my
house now, but it took me till year seven to
be able to even kind of begin the discussion to
afford something like this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I could dig it. I could dig it.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm happy for Mahomes to get his his crib. I'm
happy for you that that you have what you have,
and I'm happy for Lead to lap even though he's
he's got a little bit of a you know, issue
with the world.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Sounds like he owns all three levels as we I
having a place where I own all three. I just
happen to beat the bottle boy.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
The rumors out there on the streets. Man, you know
what I mean. But we'll have to discuss that, you know.
But anyway, we're going to take a quick break in
We're going to wrap this thing up with some are
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, Lee, what you got?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Well, you gotta start off with this today, you guys,
it's the MLB home run derby in Seattle at the
T Mobile Park. Yeah, you guys enter out on the
home run derby.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
My my take on Baseball All Star Week is I
used to love baseball. It's around my birthday. My birthday is.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Tomorrow, by the way, I do mean birthday, my guy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I need. It's always this week. So I've watched many
All Star games with my friends in Los Angeles as
a kid on my birthday home run derby. So I
loved all of it. Okay, but that was before interly play.
That was before the Internet. Now I get to open
up Twitter or Threads, whatever you're using whenever you want, Instagram,
(33:39):
whatever social media platform you want, and watch every home
run from the night before.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I see these players play each every night, So to me,
All Star weekend is just not like I'm not sitting
down tonight watching now my my obviously, my I might
have my son watch it. My daughter might watch it one,
but for me, I watch OTAWNI hit all the time.
I'm even truosing the Home Run Derby. But like I
watch these guys hit all the time, I don't need
to watch them do it again tonight or tomorrow. I
(34:09):
watched again. I watched all these players play every single night.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I don't watch the dunk contest anymore. That's something that
would better in games. It's just not it's I don't
watch it anymore. It's not interesting to me. Home Run
Derby's I used to watch them. I don't watch them anymore.
They're just not interesting to me anymore. I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Well, Happy birthday to you, Jeff. It's my girlfriend's birthday
tomorrow too as well. She'll be getting I like it. Okay,
free slurpy for you know whoa seven eleven David.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, okay, oh right back, it's back. I mean, maybe
you should have lab with seven elevenly, but okay, here'll go.
All right, everyone to go with you saying free free
seven eleven slurpy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Happy birthday today to Sophia Vergtas she's fifty one. Happy birthday,
fifty one, yeah, making it look.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Goods out to my boy man. You know she married
a bird guy, you know, for one tour. Jessica Simpson
turns forty three.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Also happy birthday to Oh okay who Jessica Simpsons. Okay,
got well, I'm with you, guys. I'm kind of out
on the home Run derby. I'm gonna catch the first
half and then I'm off to a early showing of
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part one, the seventh part of
the seventh installment of the Mission Impossible series. You guys
enter out on the Mission Impossible movie?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Will Tom Cruise be running in a set? Running so
much running? So much running?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
By that?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I mean, I I guess if it's on, I might
watch it, but I don't know. I don't know if
I gotta go to the movie theater, man, buddy, I
don't really have time for that, and my life doesn't
like movies, so I go to theaters movies, but like
it's too cold in the movie theater. Bring a tracking
or blanket, like come on, come come on, Swartzy, I'll go.
(35:48):
I go to I saw Top Good Maverick in the theater.
It was fantastic. I loved it. I don't know. Maybe
I'll go see Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
See there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I'll let you know how it is, see if it's
worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Well, once again, i'm out. I'm out on Impossible. I
haven't watched all of them. So if I haven't watched
all of them period, then I don't know why I
would go to the theater to see it in the theater.
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, I still haven't watched fast X. I'm kind of
out on that one franchise, Jeff, you had just brought
it up. The threads app has reached the one hundred
million user milestone within less than a week.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You guys enter out on this threads app.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Have you used it yet?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I haven't even used TikTok yet. I mean, I guess
I used threads app. The problem is the things that
we don't look about the old version of Twitter are
the same here, Like the timeline doesn't sync up correctly right,
there's no editing button. The numbers are are easy because
you can just convert over from Instagram. So I don't
the numbers feel very inflated like plenty of people are
(36:45):
on it. That just said pressed A Budman said, put
my stuff on threads and aren't really using threads, so
I'm still relying on Twitter. I think for the most.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Part, I think there's some some wisdom in that. Jeff.
I again, I haven't used TikTok yet.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like and was a TikTok guy though I'm just not a.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
TikTok guy, so I never downloaded it, never created it,
never created it created one. Don't do it like I
look at my kids. I'll I'll get links that are
sent to me where it'll say, you know, I can
look at that video, but I have to get a
TikTok to be able to continue to look at them.
And I'm like, I'm good and I'm out of there,
(37:27):
and you know what, I stopped after ig. So unless
something comes along, unless this thread's become something that I
just absolutely for business purposes and also monitoring purposes, I
have to do it, then I will do it. But
outside of that, I'm out. I'm out, guys.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
This always seems to fall on a Monday where it's
some kind of alcoholic beverage. It's National Pina Kalada Day,
and you like pina coladas.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Jail, Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah. I don't drink often. Maybe never, but I pin
taste delicious anyways, and I'm in for those.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That tastes delicious. They are. I love Penia Colades. I
haven't had one at quite some time, but they're good.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You know, they are good.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I might I might have to adopt that. I might
have to retire LeVar Islands and go to to Pina Coladas.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Well watching the home run derby Let's do it?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh jeez, all right, Margaritaville. Oh yeah.
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Speaker 3 (01:47):
We're going strong, going strong, but I feel great, man,
And it's a you know, it's waking up and say
it's like eight o'clock on these.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So damn feeling good. Let's go. All right, Well, I'll
tell you who's probably up and wondering what they're going
to do or what's going to happen next. Is Dalvin
Cook and DeAndre Hopkins. The watch is still on. They
remain unsigned. Uh, let's get some You got some details
on this, mister Lee the lap Do we have any
(02:14):
type of details on I do believe Dalvin Cook has
been offered but has actually turned down offers maybe or
an offer.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yes, reportedly they he has turned down the offer, the
current offer from the Miami Dolphins. His agent has come
out and said the Jets are all in. Uh So,
that's the latest on Dalvin Cook. DeAndre Hopkins. We all
know he's visited New England and Tennessee. Reports are that
Tennessee has offered a much more aggressive offer to DeAndre
Hopkins and Kansas City is reportedly in talks with him,
but has not given an offer to DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
What say you, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, I'll it you know right now, Kansas City is
gonna offer you nothing. So if you want to go
put the Chiefs, you'll get a veteran deal that the
Chiefs paid for a left tackle. It payted Donald's at
four million dollars in the give a bunch of incentives,
and that's what they'll do with with with with the
Andrew Hopkins to me, you know, for Hopkins especially, it's
what do you want from your career right now? Right
(03:08):
because you have you've had a long career, You've got
a successful career personally, what do you want? How much
winning do you want to do? And how much is
it worth to you? Right LeVar? Because he can get
a deal on a bad football team for more money,
no question about it. Or he chased a ring for
less money, and and you know guys and at certain
parts of their career decide, you know what, I'm gonna
(03:30):
start ring chasing. I've made my money, and there's you're
always make more and another wrong with with with with
making money. But at some point you say, Okay, I
made my money, I'm gonna go chase some rings. And
if Hopkins want to chase the ring, the Chiefs will
have them at the price they want, right, they have
the When you're that good and people want to come
play for you, you get to kind of choose how
(03:52):
much you want to pay these guys. If I were
him at his point in his career, I never I
never won a championship. I don't know. If I don't know,
if you won, I would choose a championship. Someone who
never won one, I would choose one. And so that's
what I would do if I ran him now. Davincok
is a different sentuation. He's younger and maybe he'd be
more picky where he goes. But affortunate for him, his
(04:14):
position at running back is non valued like others. He's
not gonna see the money that that he thinks he's
gonna get, and he's gonna have to maybe accept a
lower deal and better on yourself, sign a smaller deal
for the years wise and have a good year and
get out and find that big money somewhere. That's what
I would do if I were those guys. I don't
know where those places are for each of them. Again,
(04:35):
if Kansas City wants you, if you're Hopkins, man, I
don't know how you turn that down. You the best
quarterback in the NFL. You're gonna win or do you repeat?
I don't know, but you could sign a multi year
deal there. That's why I would choose Leavar. I'm not
in his shoes, obviously, that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I tend to agree with your thought process because the
one the one piece that just to add on to
what you said is that when you win championships, when
you've had a great career, a prolific career such as
DeAndre Hopkins has had, and you add a Super Bowl
to that that resume and you've played a part in it,
(05:13):
that equates to more money anyway in the end, right
on the flip side or the opposite side, the back
end of it. When you're coming out of the league
and you're looking at what you're going to do next.
People want to work with a winner. Yes, it's much
more difficult. I'll tell you. I'll speak from experience. Jeff
never won a championship, just got just got into a
(05:37):
situation of note being a college Football Hall of Famer.
But it's if you're not a Hall of Famer with
a gold jacket, you don't get as much work, especially
if you're in the work that I'm in and the
work we're in, they just just tends to be very
scarce for people that haven't won. You know, draft picks,
(05:58):
how about win not a Hall of Famer. I know firsthand,
you got it way worse. I mean I could sit
there and leverage number two overall draft pick. But you know,
but the thing about it is is that I'm gonna
still get trumped by guys who have won Super Bowl,
the guys who have gone to the Hall of Fame.
So to me, when you think about people wanting to
(06:18):
work with you, want to deal with you, it's because
you're a winner, and they identify with it, and they
believe that other people will identify with it as well,
and that becomes successful business for them in the end.
And so if I'm DeAndre Hopkins. I'm looking at this
opportunity as your one hundred percent correct. The super Bowl
(06:40):
conversation becomes the conversation of note of guys like DeAndre Hopkins. Oh,
I had a prolific career but couldn't get over the
hump in Houston. Goes to Arizona. You know, has a
little injury deal. You know, it has a little little
performance enhancing suspension. Whatever. Things kind of fell apart in
the end and he's no longer there. It was not
(07:03):
a stay of note in Arizona. So right now, your
last memory as a pro football player is not that
of a glowing one, but it's one of hunt. Didn't
work out very well in Arizona. So to me, to
go to a situation where you can find where you
(07:23):
can find a quarterback and you can find a coaching
staff that understands what you got going on your skill set,
I think that that has more value than getting a
blockbuster money deal. And I would say that for Dalvin
Cook as well. I think it exists for Dalvin Cook.
I think it's very intriguing the New York Jets opportunity,
and I find the Miami Dolphins offered to be a
(07:47):
very intriguing one, even though he turned it down. I
think he wants to kind of create a larger market
for himself by not just taking what's being offered to him.
Right now, I would ask you, do you think that
that's a wise move from Dalvin Cook to turn down
a bird in the hand and looking at other birds
(08:08):
in the bushes. In the bush, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I mean everyone, you know, again, every player is different.
It's very easy to you know, for us to have
hindsight as retired players and say, hey, man, take less
money because it's a better situation. And I think in
our career there were times when we could have maybe
used that same advice, but we didn't. And you know,
for Cook again, you know you're to me at his
(08:31):
point in his career, I would maximize, you know, opportunity
to showcase what I can do over money. And I
get there's a certain amount of money that is not negotiable.
I need to make this amount of money. I gotta
make this amount of money to play football. I get that,
but play of players can get that situation. It's a
great spot to be in to know that you have
(08:54):
a minimum. But you know, he's made I'm looking up
right now. I mean he's made millions already, and so
I would chase opportunity. Man, I would chase the Dolphins
right now? Are you know are going to be really good?
I think this season? I don't think. I think I
know they're gonna be good. You'd a very creative offense
with the ability to uh to do a lot of
(09:16):
things that benefit your your your skill sets. And you
have one good year there, you help them win, and
you know they want to sign you back or someone
else looks at Dalvin and says, hey, man, he can
help us get to the place that we want to be.
So I would chase opportunity. We are the best opportunity
for me, the best place to showcase my ability, my skill.
Trying to pull up right now. He's his career so far,
(09:38):
you know, Yeah, these are online numbers. That doesn't count
some bonuses. One he's made thirty two million dollars so
far in his career six seasons. So I don't I
think I would chase the best opportunity for me.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Which one would you chase between the Jets and the Dolphins.
It sounds like you're thinking Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I would take the Dolphins. Yeah, I am sort of
same offense. Look, Nathan Hackett is the OC for the Jets.
He has not been a good offensive coordinator when he
has been in charge of an offense. Skip me with
that Blake Born all season they were like seventeenth on
offense that year. That's it. Okay, one one year they
were sort of good an offense when he's been the OC.
(10:18):
Michael McDaniel can can call game.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We saw that last year, and I think I would Chase.
I would go to the Dolphins. The Jets offensive line
might be slightly better if healthy, but you you saw
the results last year of of what you could do.
Plus if you go to the Jets. I mean when
Bruce Hall comes back, he's their guy. They drafted him,
like you know you're gonna play till the other guy
comes back.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, makes sense. I just don't know if two is
going to stay healthy. That's that's the only absolutely issue.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
When you have to learn how to fall, that's not great.
But can you right, like, well, you have to learn?
I agree, man, I mean he got to of the concussions.
The counsions happens many different ways, so it's not one
way they happened. They weren't vicious hits. He just fell
backwards on his head.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Hey, those are the ones. Those are the ones.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to find a way to protect yourself better.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, well, there you go. We protect ourselves here pretty well,
and you know what, we're going to stay protected during
this break on the other side of it, all right,
coming up on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
Live from the tiraq dot Com studios. Well, there's a
quarterback that had a really, really prolific career, but was
it Hall of Fame worthy. We'll debate that, discuss it
(11:28):
however you want to, you know, take it. We're going
to talk about it next here on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe on LeVar Arrington. That's Jeff Schwartz
Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (11:57):
Ah, all right, we're jamming. We've been jamming for a
little while now, all right, welcome back in. Yeah, that's
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Got I'm a man,
Jeff Schwartz with me, I'm LeVar Arrington. We'll carry you
up to six am, nine am. If you're on the
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East coast. Hope you're enjoying the show. We have a
pretty interesting conversation here right now. Jeff, I'm gonna have
our one lead to lap give you a rundown of
a stat kind of a resume, and you tell me,
do you believe this guy is a Hall of Famer?
(12:41):
Void of a name, We'll leave the person nameless and
let's just get your opinion on it.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What you got? Yes? That is correct?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
From This was a tweet that went viral from at
NFL Rookie Watch that over the first six seasons of
this player's career, the stats were boggling. Trying to jump
over the guy's name. Had one hundred and seventy one
passing touchdowns, third all time, trailing only Dan Marino and
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
For the first six seasons of his career.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
This is correct, Okay, twenty three sundred and seventy one
passing yards fourth all time, trailing only Peyton Manning, Marino
and Mahomes. Two hundred and seventy five passing yards per game,
third all time, trailing only Matthew Stafford and Mahomes. Now
he is officially eligible for the Hall of Fame this
following this season.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Do you find this to be a Hall of Fame resume.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
If you play longer than six seasons? Sure? This is
Andrew Lock. And I saw this twin yeah, and I think, yeah,
it is Andrew Lock. And here's here's the thing. Here's
the hard discussion to have. Okay, there's been a couple
of players in recent memory that have been Hall of
Famers for shorter careers. We just had one inducted this pastor,
Tony Biselli, Right, Yeah, who was played most three really
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good years, was first team All Pro. And that's kind
of about it, right, He just was had injuries and
he had to retire because of those injuries. Andrew Luck
retired because of injuries. But but this is the difference,
and this is kind of semantics of it. He kind
of retired on his own though, like he could have
kept going, right, He wasn't medically retired, And I understand
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why he retired. I was injured my entire career. It stinks.
It's mentally draining, and I get why he retired. I
supported him when it happened. I wrote about it. I
totally agree with his decision to retire at that point.
But LaVar, when you talk about Hall of Fame in
that position a quarterback, it's just not enough time. And
then he retired on his own right and that those
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things are going to hurt him when when it comes.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
To this discussion, I think what hurts him is he's
never been an MVP. He's never been a first team
All Pro. I don't know that he's ever been in
All Pro period. Has he ever been in All Pro?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I'm gonna look it up. That does matter when it
comes to discussion, because you want to be the best
in your position. I shouldn't at some point. You know,
obviously you hope is a Hall of favorites multiple points.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I would think I would think that if those are
not present. I know he made the Pro Bowl multiple times,
I believe four times, right, four times?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think is a first team or just made the
Pro Bot.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Again, And that's very important as well. Are you an
alternate guy or were you like a first pick, like
were you a pick to start in the Pro Bowl?
Were you an elite to go to the Pro Bowl?
I just you know, for me, I think he's had
Statistically speaking, he's definitely had a he has a strong case.
(15:38):
But having not won a Super Bowl, and we just
had that conversation last segment, I think not having a
super Bowl or at least a super Bowl appearance on
your resume as as the guy and not having am
I right on this on all pro bids? No, all
pro bids?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But he did remember get an AFC finalist band and
the rafters at Lucaszuel STATEIU.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
They did do that. Yes, that's definitely accomplishment for him
for him.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Or and four in the postseason by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Okay, four and four, Okay, I mean that's not bad.
I think I think the odds are more more against
him than they are for him, even with the six
six year run of tremendously amazing statistics. I mean, am
I wrong for that? Am I wrong for filling that?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I don't think you are. Look, dude, we played them
in twenty thirteen in the playoffs and they it was
we were up twenty eight points in the third quarter
of loss. So I mean, it wasn't a great game
for my memory, but he was an incredible player man,
Like no one doubt if he would have played the
entire career, even just even a short and let's say
he plays twelve thirteen years a quarterback, which is kind
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of get a shorter career for player like that, he
would have been in the Hall of Fame. He just
didn't play long enough. Like he just that that it happens.
Guys get hurt, you retire like that. That's part of football.
It's one hundred percent injury rates.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So here here, here's a great like comp to that. Right,
say Patrick Mahomes retired today.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He'd he would be a Hall of Famer because he's
won two Super Bowls and he's been a two time MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Here you go. You see what I'm saying. Like you
see how easy that was. It's such an easy conversation.
But I think with with Andrew Luck, I think there
has to be a pause and debate as to are
these stats within his first six seasons significant enough to
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overlook not being an all pro, to overlook not winning
the Super Bowl? Is are these big enough? Are these
stats big enough for us to put him amongst the
greatest ever of all time? With this body of work?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I would say I would say no, I you know,
my Hall of Fame thoughts are are you I sort
of think like you have to be the best in
your position over a certain amounts. Ever one of the
best to be the Hall of Fame, Like I, I
kind of have gotten the point where I'm this is
funny coming from me. It's not a Hall of Famer
or anything that. Like, I just think that you have
(18:20):
to be Like the Tony Boselli argument for me was
interesting because you know, he obviously didn't play very long,
but he was a first team All Pro left tackle
for three straight seasons at the same time that four
other Hall of Fame left tackles were playing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So Ogden was playing, Rofe was playing, Orlando Pace was playing,
and Walter Jones were playing.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
That some of those guys were young, Okay, but again
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
During that time, Tony Biselli was the number one tackle
in the NFL with four other Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Pome only cle Me in my entire career really and life. Ever,
the Cleat liked Cleep.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Because you're you're a large human. To Cleveland a football
he deed me, and and so you Andrew Luck at
the time he was playing, was he better than Tom Brady. No,
was he better than Paid Manning? I mean no, right,
I mean now, Manning at that time in his career
had kind of, you know, gone down a little bit.
But man didn't win a Super Bowl in fifteen, right,
(19:19):
So was he good? Aaron Rodgers? Would you say was
better good as same?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
What do you think? Yes? No?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Maybe? Like it so to me, that's part of the discussion,
as you said, right, like Patrick Mahonmes retires now too.
Super Bowls two MVPs, two Super Bowl MVPs. Mahomes has
played five seasons. LaVar has not has not played a
road playoff game yet. Yeah, that's hosted ten playoff games,
has hosted five ABC Championship games. The two APEC Championshi
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game losses were in overtime, like he did. And he
won this last season with a wide receiving corps that
everyone you know that it's not even a top fifteen
group in the NFL right now, and so Mahomes would
be in. I just think Luck's not luck luck, and
I have I have a good buddy who's best friend
to Andrew Lucky Luck seems like the great human, right,
(20:09):
and again, I'm very happy he retired on his own
terms when he was mentally done with the sport. Great,
but that's that's to me, he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Mm hm, No, that definitely makes sense. Uh. Listen, Andrew
luck is my littermate in terms of college football Hall
of Fame, We're in the same class. I would love
to see him go in. If he does happen to
make it in, I would be a static and happy
for him. If I'm being critical, super critical, removed biased
(20:43):
from from the scenario, it's probably going to be a
hard case. Now, there might be guys, and I don't
know this for a fact, there could be guys. I
know this, I know there there are guys in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame that don't have as many
Pro Bowl bids as he does. I would assume there's
some guys that don't even have the stat line all
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the way through that that he does. So that now
becomes a debate as well if you're doing comparisons, you know,
and the first name that a lot of people bring
up is Joe Namath. But but Joe Namath did win
a championship, win the Super Bowl, and and he you
know there there's I mean, he's when you talk about
Hall of Fame, not not hall love of I I did, X, Y,
(21:31):
and Z. But the specifics of it is, it is
a Hall of Fame, correct, And that's as famous as
it's going to get. So I'm I'm curious to see
how that all plays out and how that works out
for Andrew Luck. I wish him luck, but I think
that's going to be a hard debate that that kind
of goes on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I think Andrew Luck would even say he's not a
Hall of Famer, but I don't think I think he
would be honest about that too. I don't think it's
like I don't think he would be like back, I'd
be the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I don't know. I it'd be interesting
to see because I think it's going to come down
to interpretation. I mean, some people say the same debate
exists for Eli Manning and he's got two super Bowl rings, So.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Don't we that's a discussion like that feels like the difference, Yeah,
like he was a two time super Bowl MVP, Like
he plays best games in the super Bowl. Yeah, I
think he's in the Hall of Fame if he.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Gets a league MVP of some sort of stuff if
he adds something, if something like that was on his resume,
I think it's a no brainer that Andrew Luck goes
into the Hall of Fame. But without that one crowning achievement,
I just find it, like with a six year career
as a quarterback, I just find that one hard too.
It's going to be a hard case to make for
(22:46):
him to get in.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I agree, And I think that's what that's what you know,
we're gonna Hall of Fame voters off this. I don't
think he'll even make like that. I don't think he'll
make like even like the discussion. I don't think he'll
make like the top fifteen or whatever, you know, whatever
you know they do to to break it all down
at the area. I don't think we'll even get to there, right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
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to say you're wrong. I'll say that. I'm certainly not
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before we go to break. I would I would love
to have this conversation Jeff about homes. And it's kind
(24:25):
of funny because I'm saying homes. You can't spell big
ass homes without adding Patrick my homes to it. He
just purchased a tremendous estate, that is Patrick Mahomes. If
you didn't catch what I was doing, I don't know.
Maybe it was corny, but the Super Bowls that's okay,
(24:47):
all right, all right, it kind of worked though, I mean,
you know, I mean, you get a dope ass home,
you know what I mean. Like, so it's like a
dope ass home for Patrick mahomes. He just bought a crib.
He's got a football field, all right, it's a I
want to say, a forty yard long football field that
he has. He's got a three whole course golf course
(25:12):
we call it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I think it's it's a par three hole one one
par three hole.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, there we go for all the golfers out there.
He's got his own little pond or what is you
call it?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That seems like a little bit of upkeep that pond.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It seems like a mean by the visual looks like
there's a little yet it looked like there might be
some sketish.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's a very very what do they call a sprawling
house home? It's pretty pretty pretty nice in.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The pool size, the pool seem a little bit small.
Come on, Patrick, get it together.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, this is and I don't I'm not one
hundred percent sure where it's located, so don't get me
to guessing. But if it's in can the city, by chance,
I'm certain If that pool wasn't indoor, he's not using
it very often, so how does that work? I mean,
it's outdoors, it is outdoor.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's an outdoor pool. And there's also I believe an
indoor basketball court. I know it's not. I think it's
right next to where kind of the field there is
like a half basketball court.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Okay, so well he plans on staying active.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, I would imagine that. I would imagine that, all right,
So good for him. He he bought a lot, he
built a house. I built a house, you know, many
years ago now, but uh, it's it's a very fun
process to be able to do that. And I'm happy
for him because it's you know, it's awesome. He's in Belton, Missouri.
I don't know where. That's Kansas City. He has a
(26:49):
Texas home as well, but this is like his his
his place in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So so during season, wow, while he's womping ass, he
leaves the facility to go to a better facility.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It's a long way from the facility, though, is it
actually is not that bad? You know, in the morning,
at night you probably looking at you. It's actually not
that bad. Twenty minutes ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh so I drove forty five minutes to get to work.
Forty five maybe thirty maybe thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
No, not that bad.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Last year, my last year when I bought my what
was seemingly at the time my close to forever home,
which is kind of comparable to what he did, except
that we had real water in the back. It went
out to the to the bay, to Chesapeake Bay. But
I was on forty five acres and we were going
to do we were going to build a golf course
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onto the acreage and stuff like that. But I drove.
I mean, if people who know you know the DMV area.
I lived in Annapolis, I had a home in Annapolis,
and I was driving to Ashburn, Virginia. So it was
like literally it was like an hour and like at
the time I would leave it, probably I could get
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there in like forty five fifty minutes. It was rough.
It was a rough little drive. But I'll tell you what,
it was one hundred percent worth to drive. It was
worth to drive every single day. And then on game day,
after game day, I would go there, and I you know,
we played in Landover, Maryland, and we stayed in Green Belt, Maryland,
which was forty five or so minutes away from the
(28:23):
practice facility in Virginia. So I was actually closer to
home on game nights and game days than I was
on practice days.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So yeah, I couldn't do that. I couldn't live far away,
just like you.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Want that, do you want that? I'm gonna get my car.
I'm ana drive one minute. I'm in there. No, I was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I was like twelve minutes away. I was enough away
from the facility where I thought I wasn't near football.
But also, uh, you could wake up at you know,
six o'clock and be it by six thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But what if you start like I started off that
way right. I had a little townhouse right right down
the street, like literally two minutes away from where we
right from where we play. But then as I got
a little older, and you know, you start like expanding
on things and you're thinking about I started looking for
what I really really wanted to be in and the
(29:12):
perfect like if you come up on your perfect place,
Like there wasn't a lot. I looked at like six
or seven seven lots that I really liked that I
just couldn't the ease mints, all the rules, all that
stuff just wasn't going want wasn't going to work. And
then boom, I pull up on this private drive. There's
only four homes on the drive, and it set back
(29:36):
it went all the way, the property went all the
way to the water, and the property went all the
way to the street and it was gorgeous. I just
this is this is the one like and it was like, man,
it's a drive. But then it's like, does your experience
in terms of how you live outweigh your inconvenience of
(29:57):
having to drive that amount of time? That's what that's
what like. I had to debate, and I ended up
debating against the drive, and I debated for the house.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, me and you were in different uh in
different uh different tax brackets at certain points in our career,
and so you know, I was not able to uh
to search for a house like that to basically ended
my career. Yeah. So I think for some of us
that are a different tax bracket, buddy, we we don't
get to search for our forever property until year like
(30:29):
you know eight in the NFL, and even then it's, uh,
I look, I love my house. I would I would.
The only thing I would do differently is I would
have put a dedicated you know office in for for work.
I didn't think I'd be working from home, so I
in one of our bedrooms. But I I you know,
I didn't have the uh, the privilege of doing building
a Patrick Mahome's house or being on the water like
(30:51):
like like uh like you or so. I love my
house now, but it took me till year seven to
be able to even kind of begin the discussion to
afford something like this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I could dig it. I could dig it.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm happy for Mahomes to get his his crib. I'm
happy for you that that you have what you have,
and I'm happy for Lead to lap even though he's
he's got a little bit of a you know, issue
with the world.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Sounds like he owns all three levels as we I
having a place where I own all three. I just
happen to beat the bottle boy.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
The rumors out there on the streets. Man, you know
what I mean. But we'll have to discuss that, you know.
But anyway, we're going to take a quick break in
We're going to wrap this thing up with some are
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Speaker 2 (32:49):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, Lee, what you got?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Well, you gotta start off with this today, you guys,
it's the MLB home run derby in Seattle at the
T Mobile Park. Yeah, you guys enter out on the
home run derby.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
My my take on Baseball All Star Week is I
used to love baseball. It's around my birthday. My birthday is.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Tomorrow, by the way, I do mean birthday, my guy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I need. It's always this week. So I've watched many
All Star games with my friends in Los Angeles as
a kid on my birthday home run derby. So I
loved all of it. Okay, but that was before interly play.
That was before the Internet. Now I get to open
up Twitter or Threads, whatever you're using whenever you want, Instagram,
(33:39):
whatever social media platform you want, and watch every home
run from the night before.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
I see these players play each every night, So to me,
All Star weekend is just not like I'm not sitting
down tonight watching now my my obviously, my I might
have my son watch it. My daughter might watch it one,
but for me, I watch OTAWNI hit all the time.
I'm even truosing the Home Run Derby. But like I
watch these guys hit all the time, I don't need
to watch them do it again tonight or tomorrow. I
(34:09):
watched again. I watched all these players play every single night.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I don't watch the dunk contest anymore. That's something that
would better in games. It's just not it's I don't
watch it anymore. It's not interesting to me. Home Run
Derby's I used to watch them. I don't watch them anymore.
They're just not interesting to me anymore. I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Well, Happy birthday to you, Jeff. It's my girlfriend's birthday
tomorrow too as well. She'll be getting I like it. Okay,
free slurpy for you know whoa seven eleven David.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, okay, oh right back, it's back. I mean, maybe
you should have lab with seven elevenly, but okay, here'll go.
All right, everyone to go with you saying free free
seven eleven slurpy.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Happy birthday today to Sophia Vergtas she's fifty one. Happy birthday,
fifty one, yeah, making it look.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Goods out to my boy man. You know she married
a bird guy, you know, for one tour. Jessica Simpson
turns forty three.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Also happy birthday to Oh okay who Jessica Simpsons. Okay,
got well, I'm with you, guys. I'm kind of out
on the home Run derby. I'm gonna catch the first
half and then I'm off to a early showing of
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part one, the seventh part of
the seventh installment of the Mission Impossible series. You guys
enter out on the Mission Impossible movie?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Will Tom Cruise be running in a set? Running so
much running? So much running?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
By that?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I mean, I I guess if it's on, I might
watch it, but I don't know. I don't know if
I gotta go to the movie theater, man, buddy, I
don't really have time for that, and my life doesn't
like movies, so I go to theaters movies, but like
it's too cold in the movie theater. Bring a tracking
or blanket, like come on, come come on, Swartzy, I'll go.
(35:48):
I go to I saw Top Good Maverick in the theater.
It was fantastic. I loved it. I don't know. Maybe
I'll go see Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
See there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I'll let you know how it is, see if it's
worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Well, once again, i'm out. I'm out on Impossible. I
haven't watched all of them. So if I haven't watched
all of them period, then I don't know why I
would go to the theater to see it in the theater.
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, I still haven't watched fast X. I'm kind of
out on that one franchise, Jeff, you had just brought
it up. The threads app has reached the one hundred
million user milestone within less than a week.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You guys enter out on this threads app.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Have you used it yet?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I haven't even used TikTok yet. I mean, I guess
I used threads app. The problem is the things that
we don't look about the old version of Twitter are
the same here, Like the timeline doesn't sync up correctly right,
there's no editing button. The numbers are are easy because
you can just convert over from Instagram. So I don't
the numbers feel very inflated like plenty of people are
(36:45):
on it. That just said pressed A Budman said, put
my stuff on threads and aren't really using threads, so
I'm still relying on Twitter. I think for the most.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Part, I think there's some some wisdom in that. Jeff.
I again, I haven't used TikTok yet.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like and was a TikTok guy though I'm just not a.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
TikTok guy, so I never downloaded it, never created it,
never created it created one. Don't do it like I
look at my kids. I'll I'll get links that are
sent to me where it'll say, you know, I can
look at that video, but I have to get a
TikTok to be able to continue to look at them.
And I'm like, I'm good and I'm out of there,
(37:27):
and you know what, I stopped after ig. So unless
something comes along, unless this thread's become something that I
just absolutely for business purposes and also monitoring purposes, I
have to do it, then I will do it. But
outside of that, I'm out. I'm out, guys.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
This always seems to fall on a Monday where it's
some kind of alcoholic beverage. It's National Pina Kalada Day,
and you like pina coladas.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Jail, Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah. I don't drink often. Maybe never, but I pin
taste delicious anyways, and I'm in for those.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That tastes delicious. They are. I love Penia Colades. I
haven't had one at quite some time, but they're good.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You know, they are good.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I might I might have to adopt that. I might
have to retire LeVar Islands and go to to Pina Coladas.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Well watching the home run derby Let's do it?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Oh jeez, all right, Margaritaville. Oh yeah.
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