July 10, 2023 • 38 mins
LaVar and Geoff react to the troubling reports regarding hazing at Northwestern under Pat Fitzgerald. DeMeco Ryans appears to bring a vibe of "belief" in Houston and the guys share their bumps and bruises on the "FSR IR."
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should be. Jeff Schwartz, how you feeling, man?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I am good man.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
You know it's every day it's a step closer to the football.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So I look at the summer.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Every day's a step closer to the football, and it's gonna
be here before we know it, you know, media days
for college football beginning about two weeks of being in
Vegas in two weeks covering the Pac twelve and yeah,
it's mostly football.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Man, it's coming soon.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Smells like football.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I was just wondering how you feel in terms of
what time it is your body clock, is your mind working?
Are you feeling good? Like this is an early time slot?
How you feeling you feel.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
That it's not. I mean, I had young kids. Man,
I'm up at six third, so you're always up in
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I am.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
I've turned into more of a morning person like I
was yesterday's old people stuff. Yeah, I flew back from
Dallas yesterday, and I feel like, in the point of
my life, I'd rather just take the early morning flight
and just get home, Like I'll wake up early.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I'll get home too.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I won't have to worry about Typically the earlier fights
in the day don't have delays, and if they are delayed,
you know beforehand, right, and like you just you get
to the airport. I got yesterday at five. I just
got to the airport.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I got home.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I gotta take a nap if I get home, like
I it's just I made the point of my life
where morning are fine. I went to bed less night
at nine, Like I was like, all right, i'll guess
my day's over. Going to bed now. I was like,
fine with it, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You know what time I was in bed yesterday, no joking.
I was in the bed at five forty five.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah, but you're on the West coast, so that's it's
the same as me. I mean I went to bed
at nine.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I mean I thought I was taking a nap to
get up and and just like be up and then
go take a quick nap. Like I'm a napper. I'm
not a sleeper. Like even when I go overnight, it's
I'm a napper, Like I never sleep, Like I'll never
go from like nine ten pm till noon the next day.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can't make it. I just won't make it.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
My my bladder doesn't agree with that, Like my body
doesn't agree with that. Nothing agrees with me staying in
bed as like an eight nine hour sleeper. I just
can't do it, you know, So I don't know. It
kind of works up. You know, it works out the
way that it is supposed to work out, and you
get up and you know, you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But yeah, I was just making sure you were all right.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Man. I am, I am. I am ready to go.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Man, if you if you sent your kids ever to
Sleepwoy camp, because my youngest son, my youngest son, my
only son, my oldest kid is at sleepwy camp right now.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
It is odd like not being in the house though.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, no I haven't. I've never done a week now.
I'm not in charge of those things though, you know
that's not that's not.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I'm not in charge. You make that decision.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah, you said, have I ever?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I wouldn't even be like, I wouldn't even know what
the name of it is until they told me that
this is what's taking place, this is what's happening, Like
you're going to drive and you're paying for it, Like
all right, yeah, all those.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Things, I'm done, Okay, it's hand enough, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, so I've never been a part of that, but
I would assume that that's pretty fun though, you know,
I mean, if there are they all that sleep away.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Cap No, my son is my daughter's too young for that, okay,
but it's weird, like waking up in the morning and
he's just not there.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That's the only part it's odd right now for me.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Otherwise, dude, he seems like they could play for twelve
hours of the day and you go to sleep.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I mean, it's for the best time of his life.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, you know that's what happens when your daddy's a
big time football player. That's that's what that's how it
works out, man, and speaking, a big time football player,
not in the most flattering ways of a story and
to kind of transition into it, and someone that I
am I have a tremendous affinity for and respect for,
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Pat Fitzgerald finds himself in a little bit of a
situation here Schwartze and I just you know, there's an
investigation going on into the Northwestern football team hazing how
much did Pat Fitzgerald know? How much you know, was
was let go? All these different things that are being discussed.
(06:23):
I believe a former player just recently came out and
discussed in fact, you know what I don't want to do.
I can't do it any justice, Lee, Like, can you
give us like the details of this so that we
have a clear understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Sure, a lot of moving parts here, but chronologically this
is kind of how it went down on Friday. Northwestern
suspended Pat Fitzgerald for two weeks unpaid after the investigation
found evidence to support the claim of problematic conduct, that
being hazing. Well over the weekend, a player who wanted
to be anonymous came to the Daily Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Which that's always pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I want to be anonymous while I dive out and
talk about every single thing. I wonder did this player
make it to the pros that were they a starter
or did they feel as though they were done the
wrong way? I mean, there's always something connected to when
you want to be anonymous, but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Well, in the allegations, he included coerced sexual acts and
claims that coach Fitzgerald may have had knowledge of the
hazing activities, or at least should have known of these activities.
These activities, without getting too into the details because some
of it is graphic, included a practice called running, which
involved younger players being.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well again, I won't go into.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It, but the taed up, well, not literally tied up,
but just you know, held down.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
When I read this story, I was I was very confused.
Why I did not expect running to be what was
put in the article like that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
The Daily Northwestern claims they received photos of a whiteboard
that was put in the middle of the locker room,
which included runnings, givings, and the shreks list for Christmas vacation.
So these were times when they would be hazing the
young freshman.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It just seems like really outlandish to me, Like, you
got a whiteboard.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
In the middle of the locker room.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, so are the coaches so detached from what's
going on in the locker room that they don't and listen,
I went to Penn State, so be clear in terms
of not knowing, you know what I mean, Like I
have gone through the ring of Ringers in terms of
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not like the whole idea of not knowing. But I
will say this, as a player that was there and
was coached by Jerry Sandusky, I did not know what
was going on with the actions of a coach. But
I find this to be very very dear in terms
of context, because coaches are supposed to know exactly what's
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going on with their players, and not just the locker room.
I mean, that's the closest easiest place to monitor your kids.
You got to know what they're doing in their dorms,
and they're in their classes, if they're going to class,
if they're going to breakfast. You're monitoring every single aspect
of these players lives. This seems outlandish and outrageous to me.
(09:28):
Hold on, hold on what else?
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Well, to be fair, I do have to give the
other side. On Saturday, Northwestern football players did issue a
statement denying any hazing and calling the allegations exaggerated and
twisted into lies. So again, this is a he said
versus he said incidents.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Crick it wrongly. They hired an outside law firm to investigate.
In the law firm confirmed right the reports. I think
I had that correct.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
There was confirmation of evidence of misconduct. Again, we don't
know the details as to how much was actually exactly
you know, what happened, whether it was exaggerated, and how much.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Pat Fitzgerald knew so.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Rich Ornberger and
former NFL offensive alignment, said it's a good tweet. It
kind of explained to think hazing, right. He said, Hazing
is like alcohol. It's poison that can help build bonds.
When abuse, it can be destructive. There's a line, there's
some terrible stories about hazeing same as true a dric
alcohol like LaVar.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
We were part of.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
NFL locker rooms, part of college locker rooms. There is
hazing that I think is totally fair, and I'm not
even sure it's considered a cut a lot of hazing,
But there are things that I think you can do
that bond players with the reports in this story if true,
that you're bonding nobody, man like, that's a problem, and
it's a problem if the coaching staff knew these stories,
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knew about these stories, and did nothing about them, because
that's not hazing, man like. You guys can go find
the details of this.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's assault.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
It's not hazing, like it's right. I agree, and we've
both been in the locker rooms, like you know what
is what is hazing? Right?
Speaker 6 (11:04):
When when I was in a rookie, the NFL seventh
round draft pick, there was an older veteran player that
had the same agency as mine. You probably played Keydrick
Vincent was a long time NFL off It's alignement and
they said, hey, follow Keydrick around. And I learned a
lot from Kedrick my first year. But he was an
old school, old school guy and yeah, there waswich. Yeah,
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like there was some there was some hazing happening right
some and but it was like that, right, like bring
me my stuff, right, go go get me. I remember
I used to pick up food as a as a
rookie on Thursdays for after meetings and Tcher. I would
get a big bucket of there's a place called Prices
Chicken Coop that had fried chicken we get for the offense.
I would get fifty pieces, right, and they would just
dump it into like a box, a legit box covered
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with foil, and Keser made sure that I had to
take out four thighs and put him in a separate bag.
And then sometimes he take the back like throwing the
trash can, like screw you, shorts, you didn't do it right, okay, whatever,
man's that's like, that's nothing, okay, right. The Northwestern thing
is way over the top. And the thing that I
questioned in this LeVar is the guys participating in this
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kind of weird like like what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And how is that?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And even if you're not participating, that's kind of weird
if you don't get involved, like if you understand the
locker room itself there's so many different levels of where
this is. This is just wrong. It doesn't make it
doesn't add up the hazing. They didn't win very many
games though they were.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
One and eleven last year the hazy, which is why
I think coach is gonna be gone. But we get
that to the point. The point I think that we're
trying to make about hazing, and the one that the
rich made is that it I know the word. When
you hear hazy, you think stories like this for the
most parts, not like this, right, And they're used to
bond like it's it's tough for young guys to understand it,
but it's it's used as a way to bond, right,
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and when it's not as bad as what happens in
Northwestern and so it can be used to really help right,
can use to help your team be close, your position
group be closer when it's traditional like you said, like
go go get my breakfast sandwich rooking right or go
sing right like go sing. I was terrified as a
young player can't sing a lick. I know you come
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on every hour. Yeah, I've seen I've heard you sing.
You're great, buddy, you probably know issue doing that. I
was terrified to sing in front of my teammates, like terrified.
So yeah, the thing like that bring players together. This
is Northwestern is not is not acceptable, And I think
coach will lose his job because you can't be one
in eleven and have stories like this eleven and one. Okay,
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you maybe survived that one and eleven. Man, you you're
you're not gonna stay around.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's a tough one. Man, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Because you could draw a direct correlation as to why
they they weren't winning. I mean, it's it's a locker
room divided seemingly, is what it sounds like. But I
don't know. I'm a big Pat Fitzgerald fan.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I thought it was interesting. Maybe they're giving him an
opportunity because they gave him the suspension early and immediately.
So it's a two week non pay uh suspension that
started immediately, which means it's not even going to impact
him as a coach, Like it's not going into the season,
So this might be ye, So do you think they
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get rid of them now or do you think they
give them another go? I feel like they give them
another go, Like this is a this is a the
one proven, proven year for him.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
The one thing that I guess is going to be
interesting here is that is Northwestern as a new president
who's not tied to Pathasgerild at all. He's a former
it's actually a former president at Oregon and he's only
a couple.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Of months on the job at Northwestern.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
And you know, I there's no this did not happen
when he was in Orgon, so he was not you know,
suspending coaches in Organs. I don't know what his previous
discipline schedule has been like. But you know, again it
comes down to I think, how does the community feel
about this?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Right? And then you know, winning and.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Losing, Like if you fire him for cause, he's probably
gonna sue you anyway, So you do want to deal
with that, right, Like what reason do you have to
fire him?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Then you got to deal with the transfer portal.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You deal with But you're one and eleven, like I love.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But you still got to have a team that goes
on eleven, you know.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
So I think all those factors will be this. I
I don't know, man, if any of this is true.
And you made the point about is a college coach
a head coach? You know what's happening in your building.
I do not believe as a college head coach you
do not know what's happening in.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Your building with your players.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You have to do.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
There's there's too many avenues to know what's happening. And
players also talk, right, and there are there are players
you know this, and coaches that kind of walk through
the locker room and they're sharing things upstairs. They probably
shouldn't share, but they're you know, they're snitching around upstairs.
Like the coaches have players and staff members that help
him understand what's happening in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
For him not to know this I think.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Is hey, Jeff, I'm gonna tell you straight like this,
if I'm wanted the dudes that got held down like that,
you're gonna know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, you gonna yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You know what I mean like that ain't know, Oh
they helped me down and they ran me or whatever
the terminology is.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And I like, I'm not what well you would.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Well think about it too, is I mean I would
imagine some players try to fight back and like then
so then you get some some black and.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Blue there you go, so.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Like youuse a coach, I would imagine you know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This is lawsuit material too, by the way, Yeah, this
isn't just like I'm gonna fight you, like this is
some like we're gonna go where this is lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
So I go back to the mindset of the players,
like why why how does this bond your team?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And you can and I think you made the really
good point LeVar of saying like maybe this is why
they went one and eleven, right, Like how does this
bond your team? Like paying you know, having a rookie
pay for rookie dinner is a bonding experience. Everyone went
through it. You have a great time. It's a fellowship
opportunity for for for your for your position group. Like
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it's a yeah, the rookie hates it whatever, but everyone
did it. It's not that bad for most guys. And
you have a great bonding experience, right, Like that's what
Hazy I grew up with, right, Like not whatever this is?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, I don't know, man, And we'll see how it
all plays out and pans out. It's it's obviously this
is it's not over, I would assume, So we'll we'll
keep we'll keep a close eye on and We'll keep
you guys abreast as to what it is that takes
place with Pat Fitzgerald and the Northwestern hazing situation. Coming
up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Live from the ti rack dot Com studios, we'll talk
Demico Ryans. He had one of his linemen. Well, a
couple guys talk about how great it is for the
Texans to have Ryan's as the coach, So we'll get
to that on the other side of this break, Two
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Speaker 2 (18:02):
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Speaker 4 (18:16):
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of your ilk. They are your people, you know. Like
we talked about in the first segment of the Lineman's Summit,
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former player of well not of Demic O'Ryan, but but
on the same team, Trent Williams Football Tackle It Short
Air phenomenon talks about how the Texans received a steal
in getting Demiko o'ryans as their coach, and Larry m
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mee Tunzel, who is on the Texans roster, well, he
had this to say.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
It's a whole new vibe. Man.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Dimico came in with the energy that he brought from
San Fran and just changed the whole run the building.
And that's what that we needed, especially since the last
past three years, you know, we've been in the rut,
so that we could come in the building. He brought
some new coaches in, we got some new players. Man,
it's just a whole new vibe that's in that building
and it feels great to be there.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
And that was on the Pat McAfee show. Listen, Jeff,
I tell people this all the time. I feel like
probably the most underrated aspect of a team's success is
the belief in your in your locker room, meaning the
belief in your coaching, because the belief in your coach
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leads to the belief in everything else that you have
going on. It's not x's and o's, it's not all
of the drills that you're doing. It's not sitting in
the film room all damn day and doing all those things.
It's actually, you know, what, does my coach care about me?
Does my coach believe in me? Does my coach does
my coach do things with me that makes me feel like,
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you know, what we're going to get this done. It
doesn't matter what the game plan is. We're going to
execute this game plan and we're going to make it work.
And I tell people that all the time. If a
coach cared about me, it cares about me, You're going
to see it and it's reflected and how you do
things because you're not just doing it for yourself. That
accountability grows and it extends beyond that.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
What's happened in Houston.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Players are craving that right now, and Tamiko Ryans brings
that to them. Right When you have a coach you trust,
when you have a coach that you believe is looking
out for your best interest as a team and as
an individual, you tend to play better. And I feel
like that's where the Texas are at right now. They
have a new quarterback obviously, but just having a coach
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that they believe is working in their best interest. And
Ryan's as a former player, so he kind of gets
this as well. You just you play better when you
try us that guy, right, Labarno, Look, you played better
when you believe that that coach has the best interest
of you. And I'm excited to see Texas. You gotta
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fill some holes in a roster, but it starts with
believing in your coaching staff and who's putting you in
these situations.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, I just I find it to be interesting because
that is one of those those jobs where I felt like, Okay,
you you have two coaches that come into. You got
Kully and you got a coach Smith, Lovey Smith come in,
and neither one were really able to crack the code
(22:40):
of what the Texans had going on. Now, fair or
not fair, it doesn't matter. They got one year to
try it and then they were ousted. I tend to
believe and this is just this is just me being
someone who's been around high school kids that are now
college kids. I've been coaching enough mentoring long enough where
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I've seen the evolution.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of the athlete.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And this iteration of athletes does not handle things the
same way. They do not respond and react the same
way to older coaches the way that us older players have.
It just doesn't. The culture shift is really it's significant.
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The gap between older coaches that don't know how to
relate to their players is very, very far apart. It's
super far apart. Jeff, and so I think that guys
that are younger guys that you're seeing it with the
coaching trends, you start to wonder, why are they going
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so young with coaches. You need your your coaches to
be able to understand what these guys are are where
they are they say fish, where the fish are? You
need guys to understand. I don't know that older coaches
really live on that type of time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Well, you know a few do in the NFL obviously,
right like.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We we like and doesn't. Yeah, it's one of them.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But any read is able to just adapt. You know,
he's great at relating to players. It's it's to me
it's more evident of a trend on the college side,
where you know, the game has changed so much in
college football that you need to have a younger coach
unless you're you're nick Stable or even I mean, Kirby's
not that old, but like you have to like you
just need young energy. And I think what the Texas
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needed is is Demiko Ryan someone that has that young
energy that that relates to players a little bit better
that Again, he played in this era of football. He
understands what these players are are going through. He understands
how these players need to prepare to play because again,
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he played in this era. He understands that there's no
more to a day. He understands that practice time is
very limited now you need to get the most out
of practice. He understands that players are not in the
building as many hours now, So how do you maximize
your time in the building. Well, you know this, A
lot of coaches waste time. They spend so much time
(25:17):
doing things that don't help you get better. And with
the with the limited amount of time being able on
the practice field of the medium, you can't waste time anymore.
I imagine that Demiico Ryans wastes no time preparing his team,
and players feel that they understand that and they appreciate
coaches that don't waste their time.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, well it'd be interesting to see how how that
all plays out, because to me, you're you're talking about
a a franchise, as Larry m Larry larry My Tunzels
spoke about, has been in a rut for years, not
not for a couple games, not for a season, but
(25:54):
for for an extended amount of time. And the one
thing I've realized growing up when I watched The Bad
News Beers is that if you're bad for a long time,
then you just start to accept that you're bad. You
accept that you're terrible, and you kind of maybe you
work to win, and you work with the hopes of winning,
(26:17):
but you work with the hopes of winning expecting to lose.
Jeff and so to me, when you get somebody who
can come in and they can actually capture the imagination
of these players, and you can capture the imagination of
the building, which is super important too. People should understand
and know this and note that knowing that your facility,
(26:39):
the operations from your sales team, to your media team,
to your social media team, to everything that takes place
to have that culture be a healthy culture. I've said
it for many many years after I was done playing
that being in Washington, you never ever felt the culture
(27:02):
was a healthy, positive culture, a culture that is conducive
to having success. And it seems as though Dmico Ryan
is really Ryan's is coming in and really putting those
foundational pillar points in place so that this team can
actually have the type of success they were able to
(27:24):
have when he was playing for him.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, absolutely is.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
And you know this, man, like when you go in
the building and you know it's a coach that you
don't like and don't believe has your best interest in
it's just hard to play for that. Football is it's
a long season, man. I know it's not as maybe
as long on the calendar as other sports, but the
emotional and physical toll that it takes on your body,
like you have to there's a lot of it is like, hey,
(27:48):
do I trust this coach to look on for my
best interest? And I think Ryan's is doing that and
then the players are responding in a positive Now, obviously
the support's great. With and losses, you gotta be more
games than you look.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I was about to ask you that I'm glad
you touched that because I was going to ask you,
with all of that being said, how many wins do
you think Ryan's has to get?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
How?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I mean, what type of season does he have to
get for it to be considered to be a success
in Texas?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
To me LeVar, it's about preparing the players and the
team for next season. Right, So if CJ. Stroud, I
imagine plays Week one, I don't know why he wouldn't.
Maybe they determined he's not right yet and they go
with Davis Mills for a couple of weeks, but it's
how do you how is this season set up for
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next season?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
So do you end the last month of the season
better than the first month of the season. And as
a player, that's hard to understand, right because we're not
looking at next year where we typically look at just
the year we're in. But I think if you if
that growth throughout the season happens, then you feel really
good about twenty twenty four. If that doesn't happen, and look,
(29:05):
you know this, you can sort of tell early on
if your quarterback is the guy or not. You can
tell early on. Now, quarterbacks get better, but there's moments
in practice in a game where you're like, ooh, okay,
I see it right there. I've been the other direction
where I've played with quarterbacks. I won't name who they
are because it's unfair to them, but you're like, oh, god, la,
(29:26):
he doesn't have it. Man, Like early on you're like, yeah,
you didn't have it. And so if you leave the
season feeling like CJ. Stroud has it and Will Anderson
plays well, then I think you're feeling really really good
about where you are. To me, wins and losses aren't
as important as what happens on the back end of
(29:46):
the season heading into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Okay, all right, right?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Or do you feel differently?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I tend to say I would like to see that
the team is trending in the right direction. I mean
if you look at you know who they have to play,
right like? That plays to me. That plays a lot,
you know into how I'm looking at what the success
of a season is, Right, That's that's like kind of like, uh,
(30:19):
if if they had if they were in the AFC North,
I'm like em like, okay, guys, like let's be realistic here, Uh,
this is not going to be a pretty year for
Houston no matter who who is in you know who
was in the coaches, you know situation. But I mean
(30:42):
the Tennessee Titans, are you afraid of them?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Are are we looking at them as they're they're trending
up in the right direction? I would say no, No,
if I'm looking at the Colts, I'm looking at the
Colts saying they're not too much different than us?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
That the culture was interesting When I think Levark, I
think you if you're a Texans player or you're a fan,
you know the trajectory of Richardson and C. J. Strauss
and be closely followed.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Right, sure it is.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
And I think the Cults are a better roster, so
they might have more success with with Richard early on,
which will change your opinion of maybe how your season goes.
But you have to be I think on the same
level as tennis. Tennessee right now is in a rebuild
mode right there. They have some good pieces, certain positions,
but the offensive lines of question mark quarterbacks, the question
(31:29):
mark you obviously young quarterback, not much, you know, not
much happening there with with with Malik Willis. I don't
think so. I think you have to be concerned.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You got to be concerned about Jacksonville, Like that's really
good and that's really the only team out of the
out of the four that you're sitting there saying, and
if it's the three, if I'm the Texans, I'm saying,
let's make a run at this.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I don't want to I don't want to wait. I
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Wait because, oh, we we have to prepare. We might
not be as good.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Some of these other teams are in the same type
of situation. Let's take advantage.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
You know, I think, look, there's two there's there's two
different ways.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
So what how the players feel in the building, okay,
and then how we feel about their season are two
different things, right, Because sure I can look at it
a big picture. Why to say, hey, look, I think
that this season sets up for next season. Right, whatever
happens this year will help propel you into next season.
So I want to see these certain landmarks that mostly
(32:29):
for quarterback play by the end of the season in
the building.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You're right.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
The thing about the NFL, every team I played and
I thought I could always win the super Bowl in
training camp, right, it didn't matter how good or bad
we were. That was the feeling I had, if this
was supposed to be, we can win the super Bowl.
And then I ended up on teams there were two
and fourteen and some of that were twelve and four
right like it just but every year came in thinking
we're winning the super Bowl this year. So the players obviously,
(32:54):
again I'm telling you, every team will think they're winning
super Bowl the season, even though probably but they know
in the back of their minds ain't happening. So the
Texans players are going to view the sense of their
season differently than me and you will. But again, the
smart players, the older players, understand that it is it
takes growth right to get to where you want to be.
(33:15):
And so I think for like a Laramie Tunzel, he understands, Okay,
this year, I want to see TJ. Stroud have his
moments where I think to myself, Okay, he's our guy.
And then that gives you confidence obviously moving forward, me
and you might want to see something different.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yep, I hear you, and and that's a great point.
We'll see how it all plays out. We're going to
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Speaker 6 (35:23):
My my bank account a little bit. You know, I
went to dinner at Masterminds on one of the nights,
and you know, I just I last year we had
some some players that were very generous with uh, with
paying for dinner buddy, and it just it just didn't.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Happen this times. I was.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I was set with the bill one night A little
luckily for me, it was the first night there wasn't
a lot of a lot of drinks flowing, so I
felt okay, But my my bank account, I told my wife.
I was like, hanah, I I know I don't play anymore,
but I kind of had to pay for some for
for a dinner, playing for us some dinner, so uh
(36:03):
for a dinner like I was still playing, and you know,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It was six seven.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
No, it was less. No, it was far less than that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But it was more than than what you wanted.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Oh yeah, it was more than I want, more than
what I want.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I was hoping someone else would step in and be
like I got you, I got.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You, guys, right, and nobody stepped in.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
No one stepped in.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, well that will I are you and I are
your bank account too.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
But it will. Yeah, I was. I just wasn't waiting
for that. It happens. It happens, though.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
That had fun out a good week though, so I'll
take I'll take the fun week.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I generally will go out and say, ah, you know,
I left my wallet back in the in the room,
like I can, I can pay you back another time.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know, I'm wanted them type dudes.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You know, if I get if I feel like I
got stuck, then if everybody be like, all right, I
can help, I can, I'll be like, oh wait wait,
I found it, Like here, it is right here, all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You got to know how to play the games, Jeff.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You got Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
I stepped into a puddle this morning because my sinks
were overflowing. Oh wow, that's what happens when you're on
the bottom of a three story complex. So yeah, I
gotta I gotta rush after the show and meet the
plumber after after the show today, see what's going on?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I'll say for me, I have a I thought we
we fixed a problem. We had a did tree that
was next to our house. It was leaning up against
the house. And we just got it removed. We thought
that there was a bee hive in the tree. We've
removed the tree since, but still having this issue of
(37:45):
bees coming into my restroom. So I was going to
my place and I heard a little bit all over
my head, and low and behold, I look down there's
a whole bunch of bees on the ground and there's
a bee coming out of the land or the light fixture.
(38:08):
So I'm like, okay, these bees are back. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
You don't want to hurt bees.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
You know how important bees are to our ecosystem, but
they're not important in my bedroom.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So I gotta figure that one out.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
But I'm trying not to get on a beasting ir
if y'all know what I mean.
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should be. Jeff Schwartz, how you feeling, man?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I am good man.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
You know it's every day it's a step closer to the football.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So I look at the summer.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Every day's a step closer to the football, and it's gonna
be here before we know it, you know, media days
for college football beginning about two weeks of being in
Vegas in two weeks covering the Pac twelve and yeah,
it's mostly football.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Man, it's coming soon.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Smells like football.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I was just wondering how you feel in terms of
what time it is your body clock, is your mind working?
Are you feeling good? Like this is an early time slot?
How you feeling you feel.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
That it's not. I mean, I had young kids. Man,
I'm up at six third, so you're always up in
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I am.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
I've turned into more of a morning person like I
was yesterday's old people stuff. Yeah, I flew back from
Dallas yesterday, and I feel like, in the point of
my life, I'd rather just take the early morning flight
and just get home, Like I'll wake up early.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I'll get home too.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I won't have to worry about Typically the earlier fights
in the day don't have delays, and if they are delayed,
you know beforehand, right, and like you just you get
to the airport. I got yesterday at five. I just
got to the airport.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I got home.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I gotta take a nap if I get home, like
I it's just I made the point of my life
where morning are fine. I went to bed less night
at nine, Like I was like, all right, i'll guess
my day's over. Going to bed now. I was like,
fine with it, it's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You know what time I was in bed yesterday, no joking.
I was in the bed at five forty five.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah, but you're on the West coast, so that's it's
the same as me. I mean I went to bed
at nine.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I mean I thought I was taking a nap to
get up and and just like be up and then
go take a quick nap. Like I'm a napper. I'm
not a sleeper. Like even when I go overnight, it's
I'm a napper, Like I never sleep, Like I'll never
go from like nine ten pm till noon the next day.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I can't make it. I just won't make it.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
My my bladder doesn't agree with that, Like my body
doesn't agree with that. Nothing agrees with me staying in
bed as like an eight nine hour sleeper. I just
can't do it, you know, So I don't know. It
kind of works up. You know, it works out the
way that it is supposed to work out, and you
get up and you know, you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But yeah, I was just making sure you were all right.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Man. I am, I am. I am ready to go.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Man, if you if you sent your kids ever to
Sleepwoy camp, because my youngest son, my youngest son, my
only son, my oldest kid is at sleepwy camp right now.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
It is odd like not being in the house though.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, no I haven't. I've never done a week now.
I'm not in charge of those things though, you know
that's not that's not.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I'm not in charge. You make that decision.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, yeah, you said, have I ever?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I wouldn't even be like, I wouldn't even know what
the name of it is until they told me that
this is what's taking place, this is what's happening, Like
you're going to drive and you're paying for it, Like
all right, yeah, all those.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Things, I'm done, Okay, it's hand enough, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, so I've never been a part of that, but
I would assume that that's pretty fun though, you know,
I mean, if there are they all that sleep away.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Cap No, my son is my daughter's too young for that, okay,
but it's weird, like waking up in the morning and
he's just not there.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That's the only part it's odd right now for me.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Otherwise, dude, he seems like they could play for twelve
hours of the day and you go to sleep.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I mean, it's for the best time of his life.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, you know that's what happens when your daddy's a
big time football player. That's that's what that's how it
works out, man, and speaking, a big time football player,
not in the most flattering ways of a story and
to kind of transition into it, and someone that I
am I have a tremendous affinity for and respect for,
(06:00):
Pat Fitzgerald finds himself in a little bit of a
situation here Schwartze and I just you know, there's an
investigation going on into the Northwestern football team hazing how
much did Pat Fitzgerald know? How much you know, was
was let go? All these different things that are being discussed.
(06:23):
I believe a former player just recently came out and
discussed in fact, you know what I don't want to do.
I can't do it any justice, Lee, Like, can you
give us like the details of this so that we
have a clear understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Sure, a lot of moving parts here, but chronologically this
is kind of how it went down on Friday. Northwestern
suspended Pat Fitzgerald for two weeks unpaid after the investigation
found evidence to support the claim of problematic conduct, that
being hazing. Well over the weekend, a player who wanted
to be anonymous came to the Daily Northwestern.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Which that's always pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I want to be anonymous while I dive out and
talk about every single thing. I wonder did this player
make it to the pros that were they a starter
or did they feel as though they were done the
wrong way? I mean, there's always something connected to when
you want to be anonymous, but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Well, in the allegations, he included coerced sexual acts and
claims that coach Fitzgerald may have had knowledge of the
hazing activities, or at least should have known of these activities.
These activities, without getting too into the details because some
of it is graphic, included a practice called running, which
involved younger players being.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well again, I won't go into.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It, but the taed up, well, not literally tied up,
but just you know, held down.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
When I read this story, I was I was very confused.
Why I did not expect running to be what was
put in the article like that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
The Daily Northwestern claims they received photos of a whiteboard
that was put in the middle of the locker room,
which included runnings, givings, and the shreks list for Christmas vacation.
So these were times when they would be hazing the
young freshman.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It just seems like really outlandish to me, Like, you
got a whiteboard.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
In the middle of the locker room.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, so are the coaches so detached from what's
going on in the locker room that they don't and listen,
I went to Penn State, so be clear in terms
of not knowing, you know what I mean, Like I
have gone through the ring of Ringers in terms of
(08:43):
not like the whole idea of not knowing. But I
will say this, as a player that was there and
was coached by Jerry Sandusky, I did not know what
was going on with the actions of a coach. But
I find this to be very very dear in terms
of context, because coaches are supposed to know exactly what's
(09:06):
going on with their players, and not just the locker room.
I mean, that's the closest easiest place to monitor your kids.
You got to know what they're doing in their dorms,
and they're in their classes, if they're going to class,
if they're going to breakfast. You're monitoring every single aspect
of these players lives. This seems outlandish and outrageous to me.
(09:28):
Hold on, hold on what else?
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Well, to be fair, I do have to give the
other side. On Saturday, Northwestern football players did issue a
statement denying any hazing and calling the allegations exaggerated and
twisted into lies. So again, this is a he said
versus he said incidents.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Crick it wrongly. They hired an outside law firm to investigate.
In the law firm confirmed right the reports. I think
I had that correct.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
There was confirmation of evidence of misconduct. Again, we don't
know the details as to how much was actually exactly
you know, what happened, whether it was exaggerated, and how much.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Pat Fitzgerald knew so.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Rich Ornberger and
former NFL offensive alignment, said it's a good tweet. It
kind of explained to think hazing, right. He said, Hazing
is like alcohol. It's poison that can help build bonds.
When abuse, it can be destructive. There's a line, there's
some terrible stories about hazeing same as true a dric
alcohol like LaVar.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
We were part of.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
NFL locker rooms, part of college locker rooms. There is
hazing that I think is totally fair, and I'm not
even sure it's considered a cut a lot of hazing,
But there are things that I think you can do
that bond players with the reports in this story if true,
that you're bonding nobody, man like, that's a problem, and
it's a problem if the coaching staff knew these stories,
(10:48):
knew about these stories, and did nothing about them, because
that's not hazing, man like. You guys can go find
the details of this.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's assault.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
It's not hazing, like it's right. I agree, and we've
both been in the locker rooms, like you know what
is what is hazing? Right?
Speaker 6 (11:04):
When when I was in a rookie, the NFL seventh
round draft pick, there was an older veteran player that
had the same agency as mine. You probably played Keydrick
Vincent was a long time NFL off It's alignement and
they said, hey, follow Keydrick around. And I learned a
lot from Kedrick my first year. But he was an
old school, old school guy and yeah, there waswich. Yeah,
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like there was some there was some hazing happening right
some and but it was like that, right, like bring
me my stuff, right, go go get me. I remember
I used to pick up food as a as a
rookie on Thursdays for after meetings and Tcher. I would
get a big bucket of there's a place called Prices
Chicken Coop that had fried chicken we get for the offense.
I would get fifty pieces, right, and they would just
dump it into like a box, a legit box covered
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with foil, and Keser made sure that I had to
take out four thighs and put him in a separate bag.
And then sometimes he take the back like throwing the
trash can, like screw you, shorts, you didn't do it right, okay, whatever,
man's that's like, that's nothing, okay, right. The Northwestern thing
is way over the top. And the thing that I
questioned in this LeVar is the guys participating in this
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kind of weird like like what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And how is that?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And even if you're not participating, that's kind of weird
if you don't get involved, like if you understand the
locker room itself there's so many different levels of where
this is. This is just wrong. It doesn't make it
doesn't add up the hazing. They didn't win very many
games though they were.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
One and eleven last year the hazy, which is why
I think coach is gonna be gone. But we get
that to the point. The point I think that we're
trying to make about hazing, and the one that the
rich made is that it I know the word. When
you hear hazy, you think stories like this for the
most parts, not like this, right, And they're used to
bond like it's it's tough for young guys to understand it,
but it's it's used as a way to bond, right,
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and when it's not as bad as what happens in
Northwestern and so it can be used to really help right,
can use to help your team be close, your position
group be closer when it's traditional like you said, like
go go get my breakfast sandwich rooking right or go
sing right like go sing. I was terrified as a
young player can't sing a lick. I know you come
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on every hour. Yeah, I've seen I've heard you sing.
You're great, buddy, you probably know issue doing that. I
was terrified to sing in front of my teammates, like terrified.
So yeah, the thing like that bring players together. This
is Northwestern is not is not acceptable, And I think
coach will lose his job because you can't be one
in eleven and have stories like this eleven and one. Okay,
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you maybe survived that one and eleven. Man, you you're
you're not gonna stay around.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's a tough one. Man, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Because you could draw a direct correlation as to why
they they weren't winning. I mean, it's it's a locker
room divided seemingly, is what it sounds like. But I
don't know. I'm a big Pat Fitzgerald fan.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I thought it was interesting. Maybe they're giving him an
opportunity because they gave him the suspension early and immediately.
So it's a two week non pay uh suspension that
started immediately, which means it's not even going to impact
him as a coach, Like it's not going into the season,
So this might be ye, So do you think they
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get rid of them now or do you think they
give them another go? I feel like they give them
another go, Like this is a this is a the
one proven, proven year for him.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
The one thing that I guess is going to be
interesting here is that is Northwestern as a new president
who's not tied to Pathasgerild at all. He's a former
it's actually a former president at Oregon and he's only
a couple.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Of months on the job at Northwestern.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
And you know, I there's no this did not happen
when he was in Orgon, so he was not you know,
suspending coaches in Organs. I don't know what his previous
discipline schedule has been like. But you know, again it
comes down to I think, how does the community feel
about this?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Right? And then you know, winning and.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Losing, Like if you fire him for cause, he's probably
gonna sue you anyway, So you do want to deal
with that, right, Like what reason do you have to
fire him?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Then you got to deal with the transfer portal.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
You deal with But you're one and eleven, like I love.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But you still got to have a team that goes
on eleven, you know.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
So I think all those factors will be this. I
I don't know, man, if any of this is true.
And you made the point about is a college coach
a head coach? You know what's happening in your building.
I do not believe as a college head coach you
do not know what's happening in.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Your building with your players.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You have to do.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
There's there's too many avenues to know what's happening. And
players also talk, right, and there are there are players
you know this, and coaches that kind of walk through
the locker room and they're sharing things upstairs. They probably
shouldn't share, but they're you know, they're snitching around upstairs.
Like the coaches have players and staff members that help
him understand what's happening in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
For him not to know this I think.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Is hey, Jeff, I'm gonna tell you straight like this,
if I'm wanted the dudes that got held down like that,
you're gonna know.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, you gonna yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You know what I mean like that ain't know, Oh
they helped me down and they ran me or whatever
the terminology is.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And I like, I'm not what well you would.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Well think about it too, is I mean I would
imagine some players try to fight back and like then
so then you get some some black and.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Blue there you go, so.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Like youuse a coach, I would imagine you know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This is lawsuit material too, by the way, Yeah, this
isn't just like I'm gonna fight you, like this is
some like we're gonna go where this is lawsuit.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
So I go back to the mindset of the players,
like why why how does this bond your team?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And you can and I think you made the really
good point LeVar of saying like maybe this is why
they went one and eleven, right, Like how does this
bond your team? Like paying you know, having a rookie
pay for rookie dinner is a bonding experience. Everyone went
through it. You have a great time. It's a fellowship
opportunity for for for your for your position group. Like
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it's a yeah, the rookie hates it whatever, but everyone
did it. It's not that bad for most guys. And
you have a great bonding experience, right, Like that's what
Hazy I grew up with, right, Like not whatever this is?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, I don't know, man, And we'll see how it
all plays out and pans out. It's it's obviously this
is it's not over, I would assume, So we'll we'll
keep we'll keep a close eye on and We'll keep
you guys abreast as to what it is that takes
place with Pat Fitzgerald and the Northwestern hazing situation. Coming
up next on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Live from the ti rack dot Com studios, we'll talk
Demico Ryans. He had one of his linemen. Well, a
couple guys talk about how great it is for the
Texans to have Ryan's as the coach, So we'll get
to that on the other side of this break, Two
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Speaker 4 (18:16):
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of your ilk. They are your people, you know. Like
we talked about in the first segment of the Lineman's Summit,
(19:26):
former player of well not of Demic O'Ryan, but but
on the same team, Trent Williams Football Tackle It Short
Air phenomenon talks about how the Texans received a steal
in getting Demiko o'ryans as their coach, and Larry m
(19:47):
mee Tunzel, who is on the Texans roster, well, he
had this to say.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
It's a whole new vibe. Man.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Dimico came in with the energy that he brought from
San Fran and just changed the whole run the building.
And that's what that we needed, especially since the last
past three years, you know, we've been in the rut,
so that we could come in the building. He brought
some new coaches in, we got some new players. Man,
it's just a whole new vibe that's in that building
and it feels great to be there.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
And that was on the Pat McAfee show. Listen, Jeff,
I tell people this all the time. I feel like
probably the most underrated aspect of a team's success is
the belief in your in your locker room, meaning the
belief in your coaching, because the belief in your coach
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leads to the belief in everything else that you have
going on. It's not x's and o's, it's not all
of the drills that you're doing. It's not sitting in
the film room all damn day and doing all those things.
It's actually, you know, what, does my coach care about me?
Does my coach believe in me? Does my coach does
my coach do things with me that makes me feel like,
(20:57):
you know, what we're going to get this done. It
doesn't matter what the game plan is. We're going to
execute this game plan and we're going to make it work.
And I tell people that all the time. If a
coach cared about me, it cares about me, You're going
to see it and it's reflected and how you do
things because you're not just doing it for yourself. That
accountability grows and it extends beyond that.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
What's happened in Houston.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Players are craving that right now, and Tamiko Ryans brings
that to them. Right When you have a coach you trust,
when you have a coach that you believe is looking
out for your best interest as a team and as
an individual, you tend to play better. And I feel
like that's where the Texas are at right now. They
have a new quarterback obviously, but just having a coach
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that they believe is working in their best interest. And
Ryan's as a former player, so he kind of gets
this as well. You just you play better when you
try us that guy, right, Labarno, Look, you played better
when you believe that that coach has the best interest
of you. And I'm excited to see Texas. You gotta
(22:11):
fill some holes in a roster, but it starts with
believing in your coaching staff and who's putting you in
these situations.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, I just I find it to be interesting because
that is one of those those jobs where I felt like, Okay,
you you have two coaches that come into. You got
Kully and you got a coach Smith, Lovey Smith come in,
and neither one were really able to crack the code
(22:40):
of what the Texans had going on. Now, fair or
not fair, it doesn't matter. They got one year to
try it and then they were ousted. I tend to
believe and this is just this is just me being
someone who's been around high school kids that are now
college kids. I've been coaching enough mentoring long enough where
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I've seen the evolution.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Of the athlete.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And this iteration of athletes does not handle things the
same way. They do not respond and react the same
way to older coaches the way that us older players have.
It just doesn't. The culture shift is really it's significant.
(23:27):
The gap between older coaches that don't know how to
relate to their players is very, very far apart. It's
super far apart. Jeff, and so I think that guys
that are younger guys that you're seeing it with the
coaching trends, you start to wonder, why are they going
(23:48):
so young with coaches. You need your your coaches to
be able to understand what these guys are are where
they are they say fish, where the fish are? You
need guys to understand. I don't know that older coaches
really live on that type of time.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Well, you know a few do in the NFL obviously,
right like.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
We we like and doesn't. Yeah, it's one of them.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
But any read is able to just adapt. You know,
he's great at relating to players. It's it's to me
it's more evident of a trend on the college side,
where you know, the game has changed so much in
college football that you need to have a younger coach
unless you're you're nick Stable or even I mean, Kirby's
not that old, but like you have to like you
just need young energy. And I think what the Texas
(24:32):
needed is is Demiko Ryan someone that has that young
energy that that relates to players a little bit better
that Again, he played in this era of football. He
understands what these players are are going through. He understands
how these players need to prepare to play because again,
(24:55):
he played in this era. He understands that there's no
more to a day. He understands that practice time is
very limited now you need to get the most out
of practice. He understands that players are not in the
building as many hours now, So how do you maximize
your time in the building. Well, you know this, A
lot of coaches waste time. They spend so much time
(25:17):
doing things that don't help you get better. And with
the with the limited amount of time being able on
the practice field of the medium, you can't waste time anymore.
I imagine that Demiico Ryans wastes no time preparing his team,
and players feel that they understand that and they appreciate
coaches that don't waste their time.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, well it'd be interesting to see how how that
all plays out, because to me, you're you're talking about
a a franchise, as Larry m Larry larry My Tunzels
spoke about, has been in a rut for years, not
not for a couple games, not for a season, but
(25:54):
for for an extended amount of time. And the one
thing I've realized growing up when I watched The Bad
News Beers is that if you're bad for a long time,
then you just start to accept that you're bad. You
accept that you're terrible, and you kind of maybe you
work to win, and you work with the hopes of winning,
(26:17):
but you work with the hopes of winning expecting to lose.
Jeff and so to me, when you get somebody who
can come in and they can actually capture the imagination
of these players, and you can capture the imagination of
the building, which is super important too. People should understand
and know this and note that knowing that your facility,
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the operations from your sales team, to your media team,
to your social media team, to everything that takes place
to have that culture be a healthy culture. I've said
it for many many years after I was done playing
that being in Washington, you never ever felt the culture
(27:02):
was a healthy, positive culture, a culture that is conducive
to having success. And it seems as though Dmico Ryan
is really Ryan's is coming in and really putting those
foundational pillar points in place so that this team can
actually have the type of success they were able to
(27:24):
have when he was playing for him.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, absolutely is.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
And you know this, man, like when you go in
the building and you know it's a coach that you
don't like and don't believe has your best interest in
it's just hard to play for that. Football is it's
a long season, man. I know it's not as maybe
as long on the calendar as other sports, but the
emotional and physical toll that it takes on your body,
like you have to there's a lot of it is like, hey,
(27:48):
do I trust this coach to look on for my
best interest? And I think Ryan's is doing that and
then the players are responding in a positive Now, obviously
the support's great. With and losses, you gotta be more
games than you look.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I was about to ask you that I'm glad
you touched that because I was going to ask you,
with all of that being said, how many wins do
you think Ryan's has to get?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
How?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I mean, what type of season does he have to
get for it to be considered to be a success
in Texas?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well?
Speaker 6 (28:18):
To me LeVar, it's about preparing the players and the
team for next season. Right, So if CJ. Stroud, I
imagine plays Week one, I don't know why he wouldn't.
Maybe they determined he's not right yet and they go
with Davis Mills for a couple of weeks, but it's
how do you how is this season set up for
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next season?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
So do you end the last month of the season
better than the first month of the season. And as
a player, that's hard to understand, right because we're not
looking at next year where we typically look at just
the year we're in. But I think if you if
that growth throughout the season happens, then you feel really
good about twenty twenty four. If that doesn't happen, and look,
(29:05):
you know this, you can sort of tell early on
if your quarterback is the guy or not. You can
tell early on. Now, quarterbacks get better, but there's moments
in practice in a game where you're like, ooh, okay,
I see it right there. I've been the other direction
where I've played with quarterbacks. I won't name who they
are because it's unfair to them, but you're like, oh, god, la,
(29:26):
he doesn't have it. Man, Like early on you're like, yeah,
you didn't have it. And so if you leave the
season feeling like CJ. Stroud has it and Will Anderson
plays well, then I think you're feeling really really good
about where you are. To me, wins and losses aren't
as important as what happens on the back end of
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the season heading into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Okay, all right, right?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Or do you feel differently?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I tend to say I would like to see that
the team is trending in the right direction. I mean
if you look at you know who they have to play,
right like? That plays to me. That plays a lot,
you know into how I'm looking at what the success
of a season is, Right, That's that's like kind of like, uh,
(30:19):
if if they had if they were in the AFC North,
I'm like em like, okay, guys, like let's be realistic here, Uh,
this is not going to be a pretty year for
Houston no matter who who is in you know who
was in the coaches, you know situation. But I mean
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the Tennessee Titans, are you afraid of them?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Are are we looking at them as they're they're trending
up in the right direction? I would say no, No,
if I'm looking at the Colts, I'm looking at the
Colts saying they're not too much different than us?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
That the culture was interesting When I think Levark, I
think you if you're a Texans player or you're a fan,
you know the trajectory of Richardson and C. J. Strauss
and be closely followed.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Right, sure it is.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
And I think the Cults are a better roster, so
they might have more success with with Richard early on,
which will change your opinion of maybe how your season goes.
But you have to be I think on the same
level as tennis. Tennessee right now is in a rebuild
mode right there. They have some good pieces, certain positions,
but the offensive lines of question mark quarterbacks, the question
(31:29):
mark you obviously young quarterback, not much, you know, not
much happening there with with with Malik Willis. I don't
think so. I think you have to be concerned.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
You got to be concerned about Jacksonville, Like that's really
good and that's really the only team out of the
out of the four that you're sitting there saying, and
if it's the three, if I'm the Texans, I'm saying,
let's make a run at this.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I don't want to I don't want to wait. I
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Wait because, oh, we we have to prepare. We might
not be as good.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Some of these other teams are in the same type
of situation. Let's take advantage.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
You know, I think, look, there's two there's there's two
different ways.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
So what how the players feel in the building, okay,
and then how we feel about their season are two
different things, right, Because sure I can look at it
a big picture. Why to say, hey, look, I think
that this season sets up for next season. Right, whatever
happens this year will help propel you into next season.
So I want to see these certain landmarks that mostly
(32:29):
for quarterback play by the end of the season in
the building.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You're right.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
The thing about the NFL, every team I played and
I thought I could always win the super Bowl in
training camp, right, it didn't matter how good or bad
we were. That was the feeling I had, if this
was supposed to be, we can win the super Bowl.
And then I ended up on teams there were two
and fourteen and some of that were twelve and four
right like it just but every year came in thinking
we're winning the super Bowl this year. So the players obviously,
(32:54):
again I'm telling you, every team will think they're winning
super Bowl the season, even though probably but they know
in the back of their minds ain't happening. So the
Texans players are going to view the sense of their
season differently than me and you will. But again, the
smart players, the older players, understand that it is it
takes growth right to get to where you want to be.
(33:15):
And so I think for like a Laramie Tunzel, he understands, Okay,
this year, I want to see TJ. Stroud have his
moments where I think to myself, Okay, he's our guy.
And then that gives you confidence obviously moving forward, me
and you might want to see something different.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yep, I hear you, and and that's a great point.
We'll see how it all plays out. We're going to
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Speaker 6 (35:23):
My my bank account a little bit. You know, I
went to dinner at Masterminds on one of the nights,
and you know, I just I last year we had
some some players that were very generous with uh, with
paying for dinner buddy, and it just it just didn't.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Happen this times. I was.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I was set with the bill one night A little
luckily for me, it was the first night there wasn't
a lot of a lot of drinks flowing, so I
felt okay, But my my bank account, I told my wife.
I was like, hanah, I I know I don't play anymore,
but I kind of had to pay for some for
for a dinner, playing for us some dinner, so uh
(36:03):
for a dinner like I was still playing, and you know,
it happens.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It was six seven.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
No, it was less. No, it was far less than that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But it was more than than what you wanted.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Oh yeah, it was more than I want, more than
what I want.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
I was hoping someone else would step in and be
like I got you, I got.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
You, guys, right, and nobody stepped in.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
No one stepped in.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, well that will I are you and I are
your bank account too.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
But it will. Yeah, I was. I just wasn't waiting
for that. It happens. It happens, though.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
That had fun out a good week though, so I'll
take I'll take the fun week.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I generally will go out and say, ah, you know,
I left my wallet back in the in the room,
like I can, I can pay you back another time.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know, I'm wanted them type dudes.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You know, if I get if I feel like I
got stuck, then if everybody be like, all right, I
can help, I can, I'll be like, oh wait wait,
I found it, Like here, it is right here, all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You got to know how to play the games, Jeff.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Lee?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
You got Yeah.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
I stepped into a puddle this morning because my sinks
were overflowing. Oh wow, that's what happens when you're on
the bottom of a three story complex. So yeah, I
gotta I gotta rush after the show and meet the
plumber after after the show today, see what's going on?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
I'll say for me, I have a I thought we
we fixed a problem. We had a did tree that
was next to our house. It was leaning up against
the house. And we just got it removed. We thought
that there was a bee hive in the tree. We've
removed the tree since, but still having this issue of
(37:45):
bees coming into my restroom. So I was going to
my place and I heard a little bit all over
my head, and low and behold, I look down there's
a whole bunch of bees on the ground and there's
a bee coming out of the land or the light fixture.
(38:08):
So I'm like, okay, these bees are back. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
You don't want to hurt bees.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
You know how important bees are to our ecosystem, but
they're not important in my bedroom.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So I gotta figure that one out.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
But I'm trying not to get on a beasting ir
if y'all know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Next hour, coming that to next.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
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