July 11, 2023 • 40 mins
LaVar and Geoff discuss the handling of the hazing scandal at Northwestern. Joe Burrow needs to win it all to solidify the Bengals-Chiefs rivalry. Bob Huggins denies reports that he resigned and a celebration of 7/11 and Geoff’s birthday on “You In or Out?”
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coach of the Northwestern Wildcats, we talked about this earlier. Uh,
but let's reboot. Let's let's revisit. We've had a little
bit of time to talk sports and and kind of
marinate on it a little bit. Where where are your
thoughts where are your feelings at on the firing? First,
the firing of after you called it yesterday on the show.
(02:28):
By the way, Uh, the firing of Pat Fitzgerald as
the head coach. And then now do you you looking
at where this is right now? The the handling, how
how do you feel the handling of this situation went.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
So Yeah, I thought you would be fired when we
were kind of these the reports, you know, the school
newspaper kind of went hard yesterday and and getting some
more details about what's happening inside the building. You know,
there's obviously, you know, public outcry for there to be
a change, and I understood why that change was what
(03:03):
was made because you can't argue with the coach who's
been there seventeen years that he didn't know what was
happening in his building. And we've we've talked about this,
i think at length the last couple of days. It's
worth repeating again for any new listeners. There is hazing,
quote unquote hazing done at all levels of not all levels,
(03:24):
but let's say college, the NFL, and that hazing is
supposed to be a bonding moment for the teammates and
the players on that team. Right, most of the time,
it's very harmless. Uh, It's it's just something that's kind
of passed down over the years. Right again, it's it's
it's harmless. In the end, it's it's harmless, and in
(03:45):
this situation, according to reports, wasn't very harmless, right. It
was something out of the ordinary, and that's why it
raised questions and there was an investigation done, and I
think it's it's hard to argue that coach coach Fitzgerald
didn't know what was happening in the building. I understand
players are upset about it. Players have have come out
and told reporters Adam Rittenberg, who's been covering the story,
(04:10):
that both the president and a fleat director did not
even show up in person, and they're upset that they
didn't make this announcement to the team itself. I understand
there's some frustration on all that Lar, but I'm not
surprised that he was fired. I'm sure he's gonna sue.
I'm sure listens are gonna happen next. It's gonna be
more information that that comes out. But when you win
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four games over the last two years and a story
like this breaks play a major part, you're not keeping
your job. If you've won eighteen games the last two years,
probably keeping your job.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But when you.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
When you can't win and stories like this come out,
you unfortunately will will lose your job. I'm sure more
will come out. The one question I think that's fair
to ask is why now? Right, he's been there seventeen years.
Why why now? And I would argue that the reason
that is because they're losing and people are upset in
the program. And uh, when you're upset, you tend to
(05:09):
be more forthright with stories and want to want to
share what's happening in the locker room. So that's so northwestern'
is that right now? It was always going to be
this way soon as a story came out and I'd
have to find a new coach. And you made this point.
I think it's very it's a very good point, LeVar.
This is typically like interim coach comes in. Why I
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don't know if you can have an interim coach come in?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Is there just as live, just as culpable as as
the head coach? Yes, you know, and and so for
me that that's one piece of it, Like who are
they going to hire as the interim head coach? Two
is why wait this long? Like if you're going to
bend and bow down to the pressure that has come
your way from the reports. Then then you're saying that
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you're you had negligence and the investigation that led you
to suspending him for the two weeks with no pay.
That's what that says to me. Either you're bowing down
to the pressure of public opinion or the people that
did the report did the investigation didn't do a great
enough job. And I'm certain you paid them in the
(06:22):
seven figure range to do what it is that they
did to do this investigation.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
It sounded like that the report might not have been
done well enough, right because you have more stories coming
out than Maybe that was covering the import maybe it wasn't.
I do find it suspicious that, you know, Northwestern original
game of two week suspension during what is now a
dead period in college sports right right coaches. I was
talking to offensive line coach. I texted him on Monday.
(06:48):
I was like, hey, man, I missed you at the
at the offensive line seminar.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He's in Italy right now.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Like the coaches have breaks right there, on vacation, they're traveling.
Coaches were leaving the offensive line clinic with oren't going
on vacation families. Of course, it is a dead period,
so the spend someone during a dead period, and withhold,
I would imagine what one paycheck doesn't feel like what
exactly happened to Northwestern?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
What was appropriate?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But see it sounded like and that's why I refuted
your your you know, your proclamation on them firing him.
If you're going to suspend him for two weeks for
no pay during this period of time, that's a slap
on the risk. That's literally that's that's a tap on
the risk. That's not even a slap. That's like a
go over there for a minute and let this cool
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down and then come back. But you better win because
if you don't win, I can guarantee you. If you
get off to a zero to three start, you're out
of there. You get off to a one and two start,
you're out of there, you know. And so for me,
I was thinking that they were positioning it for him
to either make or break his coaching career at Northwestern
(07:56):
this season. But then listening to what you said earlier
on it made me come to the conclusion they probably
were looking at it that way. And because of all
of the reports, the anonymous which is interesting, that's always
interesting to me. The anonymous person that came forward that
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was a former player that gave more details to what
was taking place allegedly in the locker room. Then now
you're looking at a school with the reporting within the
school that pressure created something where maybe that new president said,
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this is not the type of smoke I need to
deal with just now getting into such a prestigious educational,
higher level of learning institution.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It is One thing that always interests me in these
stories is you have, you know, a big company corporation
like Northwestern. I know they're college, but come on, they're
they're for profit, right, they make money. They have all
sorts of pr people and attorneys and just so many
people involved in these processes. Is companies like this continually
(09:16):
screw this up, right, I mean to go from a
two week suspension, a slap on the risk essentially as
you called it, which I think is exactly correct, to
firing a coach knowing you're gonna get sued, knowing that
it's not gonna be a popular decision in the locker
room most likely not popular. Is that that BIG's a
big difference LeVar in forty eight hours, right, Like, that's
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crazy to me that that that companies do not think
about you know what this is gonna how that's going
to play in the locker room, how this will play
with your boosters, how this will play with with you know,
with with the media and the backlash, and then you know,
if you had suspended Pat Fitzgerald for the first month
of the season, Let's just say, do we have a
(09:57):
call for a firing? Do we have more players coming
out and making you know, things public that happened in
the locker room. Probably not right, but you give us
slap on the wrist, and players are upset about it.
Former players up said about it, and they feel like
you're not listening to their complaints.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And then more stories come out.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's a complicated this one is is a tap bic complicated?
All right? What's the update on as it applies to
the inter realms lee With.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It expected to be close to impossible to bring in
an outside coach, it is, according to some sources, expected
for Northwestern to name defensive coordinator David Braun as the
acting coach. Braun came to Northwestern back in January from
North Dakota State, so he's the again, the defensive coordinator
that came in to help them.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
After that, I'll say, this coming in less than a
year ago. I guess that makes sense because this has
been reported going on for what the last three years
or so. I mean, he's been there for seventeen years,
so there's a strong chance that the hazing could have
been going on for for a long time. And it
(11:06):
is what it is, I don't know, but seventeen years, right,
he was the head coach there, which is that's a
hell of a long time.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I also, look, you can go look up the allegations
of what the hazing was kind of the.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Players, like, come on, guys, so what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like, that's not that's not that's not something that for me,
if I was in the locker room where there was
graphic things of that nature taking place right in front
of my face, that's just not like, that's that's grounds
for fighting, like like as someone that wouldn't even be
involved with what's taking place. I mean, damn if I'm
(11:44):
a freshman and that's you, you running me like somebody
going catch that wreck, and that's that.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
It's funny. You know, There's so many fascinating layers to this,
and that's one of them too. Is like, again, locker rooms,
I've been in if you did that to some players,
they would there'll be fistfights.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Hey, bro, I'm from Pittsburgh. I'm straight for one two
like I'm I'm I say every day, I'm a recovering
I I'm recovering and I ain't even gonna say what
recovering is, but I'm recovering every single day. There's always
the opportunity for me to revert back and slide back
to what I was. Put your hands on me like that,
that way I could guarantee you. Now, Now, my whole
(12:21):
future is in jeopardy. Now now that that those people
who did it, their future is in jeopardy. And I'm
talking life, I'm not. I'm not talking jeopardy as in
you being a football player. I'm talking it's gonna be
some cats, that's that's on the road, that's that's loading up,
that's coming there, and we're gonna handle this like. We're
gonna handle this like it ain't no. Let me get
my teammate and we're gonna throw We're gonna throw down
(12:41):
like because you did what you did. Now, I'm telling
you dudes with my same last name, dudes that I
grew up with, that ain't doing what I'm doing, but
they doing some real things, like right now today they coming,
We're gonna have, We're gonna have, we gonna have, We're
gonna have to sort this one out because what you
just did like like that, that ain't going That's what
(13:06):
I'm just and I'm just gonna be quiet about it,
and then this is just going to keep going on
for years. Hey man, that's not a penitentiary. It's it's
a university of higher Learning. And by the way, that's
one of the highest learning educational institutions, if not the
in the big ten. I'm damn if you're running me,
(13:28):
running me what Shrek games whatever you calling this? Look here, man,
come on. Plus, I'm super touch sensitive on topics like this,
just because of what took place at Penn State. You
gotta know what's going on in your locker room. Like,
at least know what's going on in your locker room. Okay,
you might have the challenge of what's going on in
(13:50):
the classrooms, what's going on in the dorms and all
that stuff. I get that, but golly, if there's one
place you need to know what the hell is going
on as a football coach and as a that it's
in your locker room. That's the closest in proximity that
you will be with your kids. That's the most time
that these guys are spending that there. There's only probably
(14:12):
one other place that they're spending as much time as
they are in that facility, and that's probably where they
lay their head. Yeah, the same strange to me, Man,
seems very strange to me. This is why he's gone,
right because and this is probably why he's gone because you.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Know this term institutional control, right, So what the NAA
uses when they punish coaches, they say, Hey, the coach
has to know this. He's got to know, you know,
what's happening in his building, especially even there seventeen years.
Guys college coaches, Man, they're like the mayor of the town,
Like they know what's happening in the community. They know
(14:47):
what's happening in their building. And to be there seventeen years,
he had to know exactly what's happening the entire time.
That's the way he didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see they won one
last year, So it's not like, Okay, I do believe
that the transfer portal aspect of this is not even
of significance, because I think it's passed. You can't leave, right,
So you're talking about guys that are going to be stuck,
(15:15):
as you mentioned, being babysat by an interiom head coach,
which now has an impact on that interroom head coach's
resume because he's probably going to get his ass whipped
as well. So then now there's that. It'll be interesting
to see how that plays out. Northwestern will certainly be
a team you at least pay attention to for the
first couple games of the season before they disappear into
(15:37):
the abyss of losing as much as they're probably going
to lose this year. This Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe coming up next live from the Tyraq dot
Com studios. Who there's a quarterback's really good, one of
the best out there. Well, he says that it's going
to be interesting seeing this team in December and does
(15:59):
this create is this the best rivalry in the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right, welcome back into two Pros and a cup
of Joe's. Jeff Schwartz is, LeVar, Arrington, Brady and Jonas
are off. We are rounding the corner heading into the
home stretch. Let's jump into an interesting conversation that is
ensuing about rivalries. All Right, Jamar Chase was recently in
(16:43):
an interview and basically called Joe Burrow the best player
in the NFL, which led to Patrick Mahomes responding at
the Chiefs Ring ceremony and Travis Kelsey responding as well.
It was as to Joe Burrow, did he pay any
mind to that? And if so, what was your reaction?
(17:04):
Joe Burrow's reaction. The best thing about that is it's
all settled on the field. So we'll see them in December.
So if you know what December is, uh, you know
that's that's the playoffs. Uh So to me, this is
one of those those things Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati
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Bengals have shown to be the Kansas City Chiefs and
all intensive purposes, They're kryptonite.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Hasn't seemed to be been a team that plays Kansas
City as well as as Cincinnati does, and Cincinnati doesn't
show any signs of slowing down. Joe Burrow does look
to be the truth and the real deal. Uh. And
the next one up? What's your what's your take on this?
Is this the best rivalry, best developing rivalry? Is it overstated?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Oh? Dude?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
This is great for This is great for the NFL.
Rivalries are good for sports, They're great for sports. And
the NFL has some division rivalries, but those are typically
you know, going to be between those fan bases and
not a national thing. Right where you have you know,
you were you play for Washington, like, right, Like, the
NFC East has better rivalries, but that's just within the
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NFC East, right, there's no national flavor to to the
to the Dallas, Dallas and Washington. It's just between Dallas
and Washington fans.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
The Bengals and Chiefs is more of a national storyline,
right because they play each other once a year right
now because of the schedule, and in some years they
might might ever play each other, and yet they continually
meet in the postseason, same as sort of like a
Tom Brady Payne man any thing, right where you have
these two teams that continually seem to meet in the postseason,
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and there seems to be some genuine hate between the teams,
like there's some eight between these teams. And Patrick Mahomes
has lost I think I did this earlier, six games
in the last three years in the regular season, and
I think three have been against the Bengals. So maybe
two maybe six games the last two years and three
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begins the Bengals. Sounds a little bit better than what
I than the first thing I said. So the Bengals
have the Chiefs number, like they legitimately do, and I
mean this is to me, this is great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
This is great for you know, for for the sport.
I take that back.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
So since Week seven of twenty twenty one, when the
when the Chiefs lost the Tennessee Titans, they have lost one, two, three,
four games total in the regular season, and two of
those have been to the Bengals. And if you want
to include a postseason loss, they've lost five times. So
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three of the five losses have been to the Bengals. Wow,
the Bengals sort of have their number. And that's why
this rivalry is great. And this game this year, LeVar
has played on December thirty. First, it's going to be
in week sixteenth of the season. It's week seventeen of
the season, the sixteenth game of the season for both
these teams, and it might determine home foot advantage this year.
And the Chiefs have yet to play a road playoff
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game in five seasons, which is wild to say. They've
hosted five straight AFC championship games. So the ability for
the Bengals to knock the Chiefs off would be huge
for them obviously, but it's the only team I think
in the AFC they can beat the Chiefs in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm still on the fence as far as that got
good or them being a rival Yeah, I think probably both.
I think they have to have. For me, I think
this is the year that determines and and really defines
(20:46):
what this will be. How Cincinnati does. It's not so
much what Ken see because Kansas City has already proven it.
They've already won Super Bowls multiples, that they have a
multiple MVP winning quarterback. You know it's right now, it's
still debatable what Joe Burrow will be. Joe still has
(21:09):
yet to win a league MVP. You know, Award get
that nod. I would like to see him get that
under his belt. I'm interested and I'm curious as to
We thought that the AFC West would be a juggernaut
last year, and it was. It was the havelves and
(21:29):
the have nots, right like the Kansas City Chiefs were
the Halves and pretty much everybody else were the have nots.
The Chargers somewhat somewhat, you know, consinkram Saw can sink them.
Say whatever you say. They were all right, they made
the playoffs. They you know, they they gave up their
their big lead to Jacksonville. But the Raiders were a disappointment,
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the Denver Broncos tremendous disappointment. You would assume that now
with Sean Payton, that'll be a better team in Denver,
I doubt. I'm certain we'll probably get much of the
same from the Raiders. So you're talking about three teams.
It'll be interesting to see how well you know how
that all plays out in the AFC West. But in
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the AFC North, I'm curious this will now be Deshaun
Watson's like prove it year, and now you're looking at
a new contract that's been awarded to Lamar Jackson. This
is Kenny Pickett's second season and still Mike Tollin has
yet to have a losing season.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I just wonder will so that coaching acumen? Will that turn?
Will this Steelers team be more competitive than what it
has been? Will this Ravens team be more competitive than
what it has been? And will this Browns team actually
finally take that next step forward considering that they gave
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one of the richest, most deep contract that's ever been
given in the history of the National Football League to
its quarterback? Will that? Will you get an ROI on that?
And that to me is more My focus is how
well will will the Bengals do even in their own division?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, we'll tell you what, man, Lamar Jackson went healthy
has won seventy percent of the games he started, which
is wild to say, right, Like, he is an incredibly
talented quarterback and he's won a lot of football games,
and so yeah, I think it's very fair to say, like, hey,
the Bengals aren't guaranteed to win the division, and I
(23:37):
don't think that's not not as slight at all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
The Bengals.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
It's that that Lamar Jackson has done a lot of winning.
You mentioned Kenny Pickett, right, like, he played better last season.
The Steelers continued well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
They they improved as the season continued on.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Yes, Yes, and so I think it's very easy to
say that you know that division is going to be
really tough this season. You look the broad roster pretty good.
Not obviously you need to you need, you know, Deshaun
Watson to play well to make that something that you
know is excited. It's exciting for the future. But there's
a lot of good football in that division. There's no
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guarantee the Bengals do win that division.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And that's what and that's what, right, and that's so
to me, it's like we're looking at a rivalry possibility,
almost like what we talked about with Peyton Manning and
with Tom Brady. But I almost I feel like, yes,
the Kansas City Chiefs Patrick Mahomes has established dominance. Yes,
Joe Burrow and and Cincinnati have established close to dominance.
(24:42):
It's close. It's not all the way there in my estimation,
but it's very close. This is that year where if
Cincinnati comes out and they're throt throttle in at their thumping.
If they're winning and they're showing that that this this
Cincinnati team is just as good as it's been for
(25:02):
the last two seasons, then now I feel as though
the conversation of that train that trained uh you know,
his trained collision is is really on pace. But I
think that this is one of those seasons where it's
a proven season for Joe Burrow. That's like, you take
that next step two, Okay, he is the best player
(25:23):
in the league right now, Like I gotta give it
to him. Even though you know, Patrick Mahomes is the
man in case and Casey still doing what they're doing.
This is that year for him to, in my estimation,
to really establish that is the presence, that is the
dominance of who Joe Burrow is, But it's also the
presence and the dominance of what little Brother in the
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AFC North has been, because that's exactly what they've been
is little brother to the other teams. Like big brother
is the Steelers, you know, big Brother Junior has been
the Ravens, you know, the ugly step child has certainly
been Cleveland, and now Cincinnati is kind of like, well,
you know, we don't want to be an ugly step child.
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We just want you know, are we just little brother?
So it's just kind of like for me, there's a
lot that they have to to, you know, determine and
kind of defined before it even gets to the point
of saying the rivalry of Kansas City and Cincinnati. Cincinnati
has to start dominating the North before I even get
to the point of saying that there's the rivalry. That's
(26:27):
that's so the greats of the greats, you know, the
battle of the Greats.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, I mean they also need to win a championship, right, Yeah,
I mean it's fair, yeah, but I do. But again,
I think that robberies, at least perceived robberies, are great
for sports.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I definitely agree, and I'm hoping that it does continue
to evolve that way because those are two fine teams
and those names that were mentioned, Jamar Chase, you know,
Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, those are the best
to the best. Those are the greats in the game.
So it'll be great to see that. All right, well,
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(28:06):
had some extraordinary events take place, so to speak. And well,
not his fault, I'm about to say, not not in
the most flattering of forms, and not in definitely a
good form, is what we'll say. Uh. I think one
was him talking about adult matters and Catholics and Catholic
(28:28):
schools and uh, the things hitting the ground and well
rubbery and bouncy and anyway. Uh, and then there's uh,
this what the latest deal. Where he was driving, he
was pulled over. Didn't know if he was in Pittsburgh
or Ohio, I believe. And then it was later, you know,
(28:52):
found that he had been enjoying himself just a little
bit too much to be behind the wheel. There was
a report that he released a resignation letter and it
came from his wife June. Please accept this correspondence as
my formal notice of resignation as WVU hit basketball coach
(29:15):
and as notice of my retirement from West Virginia University,
effective immediately. Well. Bob Huggins has stated that he never
resigned from West Virginia University and is demanding his reinstatement
as hit men's basketball coach at the school. This was
(29:38):
a letter from his attorney, David A. Campbell. He says
that Huggins never communicated his resignation directly to the university
and that the purported resignation is incredibly based on a
text message from coach Huggins's wife, Wow, writes Campbell. In
the letter, WVU is face with the following choices. One
(30:03):
reinstate coach Huggins to his basketball coach position once he
has done which he is in a rehabilitation program right now.
If once he's completed it pursuant to the terms of
the employment agreement, two remain in breach of the employment
agreement and face litigation. The litigation will not only involve
(30:26):
the breach of the employment agreement, but also wwvu's clear
violation of state and federal law by terminating Coach Huggins
without due process or even an interview to determine the
true facts, not those reported by the media.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
WOA all right, okay, what true facts are there? You
have a blood alcohol level taken after a stop? That
is that not the real blood alcohol levels or something
there that you did? Did you have like what? There's
no other facts. The fact is you're drinking and driving
(31:06):
and they fired you. Excuse me, you resigned. This is
about money, right, money.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
He wants his money, and if they fire him, they
have to do with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Cause or without cause.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
If it's with cost money, which is going to happen,
and that means that they're not going to pay him.
But then he wants to fight that. Right, It's all
about money. It's not about the job. It's about money.
And he feels like he's owed money. Maybe I don't know.
I mean, you just fire him with cause. But then
it becomes it sounds like there's a process to fire
a coach in West Virginia, and that process might lead
to him earning more money along the way. You resign
(31:44):
you owed zero dollars. To me, it's about money, not
about whether or not he's able to coach again. You know,
his his his direct deposit did not hit this month,
and he realizes that there's you maybe ways to get
some money.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He's never coach.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You wants to again.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You you can't basically be on probation for comments you
made on a radio.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Station and jack up. A little while later.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
They they lowered remember they lowered a salary by a
million dollars for this season and put him into a
program kind of you know, a you know, a sensitivity
training type type situation. And then while that's happening.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Now you gotta go to another point. The du why
the thing about it yourself into another.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Program is what? What?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
To me, it's not even a it's the d I
was terrible, right, Luckily no one was heard it was
a point too, like it was terrible. But the fact is,
it's to me, it's it's it's it's a judgment issue. Right,
you are the coach of a basketball program. You have
plenty of money. You should be finding a way to
get home. That's not driving when you've been drinking.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Indeed, Either you plan ahead, which you can certainly. I
think he was in Pittsburgh, right, you can play what but.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He thought he was in Ohio? Correct you?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
First of all, you plan ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
The hell of a night, boy, that's what you was
respons That was from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That's what you do if you're responsible. You plan ahead, right,
you plan ahead, or you get uber. You're in a
big city, get uber, man and drive, get your car
in the morning. Be responsible. You're supposed to be a
leader of men and you're getting a DUI.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Come on, man, that man is old enough to know you.
Planning ahead is knowing yourself. And I know I'm a
drink when I go out, Like you said, have a car,
have a designated driver, have an uber on point like
whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He's enough money to get a black car for the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Night, and he's been around long enough to know that
you handle things a certain way to keep yourself out
of situations like these. But you found yourself in it,
and now you've got to well find your way out
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Well, first and foremost, it is seven eleven day, which
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Speaker 2 (35:27):
Happy birthday, Happy birthday, my guy?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Are you going? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Go for it?
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Also my son's birthday.
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Speaker 4 (35:36):
His name is Alex Schwartz. Is it camp today? I
miss him? Sleep Friday?
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Speaker 6 (35:42):
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Speaker 4 (35:58):
I don't even know where seveone is in in town?
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There's more. There's more in La than Charlotte's.
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Okay, there's a ton of them here. I'll tell you that. No, though,
I will not be good. You know, I've been on
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just you know, just because I will not know. If
I do, I'll mix them all together. I am gonna
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Speaker 4 (36:24):
Guy slurpian since I don't know forever.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Am I wrong for saying? I've just never gotten comfortable
with saying, all right, keep it. This is Slushy's good
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Speaker 6 (36:41):
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Obviously we had the home run Derby last night, but
tonight's the All Star game. You guys that are out?
I watched the World Series. That's that's that's good.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
I'm probably out. I mean, I'm lets say, if someone
tells me a wager on it, maybe I'll wager on
it a little bit, but I probably won't watch very
much of it. My wife have been watching Succession every night.
So it's not going to take away.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I've been watching suits. This is good kind of fire man. Yeah,
it's kind of fire I like it. I like suits.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Is it isn't? That's what's your face is in it? Right?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
The Yeah, I knew that was Meghan Markle Duchess. I
knew that was Meghan Markle. That's a great job. She
does an excellent job. That's interesting. I was like, man,
she looks familiar as well.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah, she like looks like like like.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's why I knew that was her. She's a good
looking Harry did all right? Man, God, Banks, are we
in on? Are out?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
On?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Harry and markl I'm in.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I'm out. It's too much drama.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Come on, I'll do that drama. I'm all in if
I'm Harry. I'm not talking about talking. I'm not talking
about I'm risking it all ja.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I was for her. It's talking about generally if I
am I in and out on the storyline.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Storyline.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, no, I get why we be.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
In on the marriage. I'm proud of Harry. All right,
Go well, I gotta ask you, Jeff, I know I
knew that was her. All right, go ahead, I know
you're gonna be out on this.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
But I gotta ask, Jeff, if you is I know
you're enjoying some golf today for your birthday, I gotta ask,
do you enjoy a hot dog at the turn?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Uh? No, but I will. I will get like a
sandwich or something.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, okay, just not a hot dog.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Guy. Well, well, I don't eat hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay. You know that was where I discovered Tomali's on
a golf course.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh, I would eat it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I discovered Tomali's on the turn at a house like
what what is it called? Like the little little little
rest spot where you could go to the restroom, get
something to drink, you know, get a nice little wet towel,
wash your hands, wash face. They had a house like yeah,
but not the clubhouse they're like on the course.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Oh well that you play much fancier courses than I do.
There's no there was no ghetto nice I'm sorry, it's
gonna be one. There's gonna be gonna be a towel
for me to wipe off my sweat at the public
golf course.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Let me tell you. At this one golf course, and
I think it was like a tiger Woods golf course
or something like that it's already too fancy for me. Well,
all I'm gonna say is is I discovered to Molly's
and I had a hard time getting back in my
cart to keep up with my homies because well I
was stuck eating to Molly's. So all like, all eat.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
As we drive to the whole Okay, Yeah I'm not
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, I couldn't get away from them though. It's just
too many of them. But anyway, well else Lee, We're
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Speaker 4 (01:41):
Am good man and playing around a golf after this,
I'm fired up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
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will probably be uh well. Pat Fitzgerald of formerly the
(02:06):
coach of the Northwestern Wildcats, we talked about this earlier. Uh,
but let's reboot. Let's let's revisit. We've had a little
bit of time to talk sports and and kind of
marinate on it a little bit. Where where are your
thoughts where are your feelings at on the firing? First,
the firing of after you called it yesterday on the show.
(02:28):
By the way, Uh, the firing of Pat Fitzgerald as
the head coach. And then now do you you looking
at where this is right now? The the handling, how
how do you feel the handling of this situation went.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
So Yeah, I thought you would be fired when we
were kind of these the reports, you know, the school
newspaper kind of went hard yesterday and and getting some
more details about what's happening inside the building. You know,
there's obviously, you know, public outcry for there to be
a change, and I understood why that change was what
(03:03):
was made because you can't argue with the coach who's
been there seventeen years that he didn't know what was
happening in his building. And we've we've talked about this,
i think at length the last couple of days. It's
worth repeating again for any new listeners. There is hazing,
quote unquote hazing done at all levels of not all levels,
(03:24):
but let's say college, the NFL, and that hazing is
supposed to be a bonding moment for the teammates and
the players on that team. Right, most of the time,
it's very harmless. Uh, It's it's just something that's kind
of passed down over the years. Right again, it's it's
it's harmless. In the end, it's it's harmless, and in
(03:45):
this situation, according to reports, wasn't very harmless, right. It
was something out of the ordinary, and that's why it
raised questions and there was an investigation done, and I
think it's it's hard to argue that coach coach Fitzgerald
didn't know what was happening in the building. I understand
players are upset about it. Players have have come out
and told reporters Adam Rittenberg, who's been covering the story,
(04:10):
that both the president and a fleat director did not
even show up in person, and they're upset that they
didn't make this announcement to the team itself. I understand
there's some frustration on all that Lar, but I'm not
surprised that he was fired. I'm sure he's gonna sue.
I'm sure listens are gonna happen next. It's gonna be
more information that that comes out. But when you win
(04:32):
four games over the last two years and a story
like this breaks play a major part, you're not keeping
your job. If you've won eighteen games the last two years,
probably keeping your job.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But when you.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
When you can't win and stories like this come out,
you unfortunately will will lose your job. I'm sure more
will come out. The one question I think that's fair
to ask is why now? Right, he's been there seventeen years.
Why why now? And I would argue that the reason
that is because they're losing and people are upset in
the program. And uh, when you're upset, you tend to
(05:09):
be more forthright with stories and want to want to
share what's happening in the locker room. So that's so northwestern'
is that right now? It was always going to be
this way soon as a story came out and I'd
have to find a new coach. And you made this point.
I think it's very it's a very good point, LeVar.
This is typically like interim coach comes in. Why I
(05:32):
don't know if you can have an interim coach come in?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Is there just as live, just as culpable as as
the head coach? Yes, you know, and and so for
me that that's one piece of it, Like who are
they going to hire as the interim head coach? Two
is why wait this long? Like if you're going to
bend and bow down to the pressure that has come
your way from the reports. Then then you're saying that
(05:59):
you're you had negligence and the investigation that led you
to suspending him for the two weeks with no pay.
That's what that says to me. Either you're bowing down
to the pressure of public opinion or the people that
did the report did the investigation didn't do a great
enough job. And I'm certain you paid them in the
(06:22):
seven figure range to do what it is that they
did to do this investigation.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
It sounded like that the report might not have been
done well enough, right because you have more stories coming
out than Maybe that was covering the import maybe it wasn't.
I do find it suspicious that, you know, Northwestern original
game of two week suspension during what is now a
dead period in college sports right right coaches. I was
talking to offensive line coach. I texted him on Monday.
(06:48):
I was like, hey, man, I missed you at the
at the offensive line seminar.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He's in Italy right now.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Like the coaches have breaks right there, on vacation, they're traveling.
Coaches were leaving the offensive line clinic with oren't going
on vacation families. Of course, it is a dead period,
so the spend someone during a dead period, and withhold,
I would imagine what one paycheck doesn't feel like what
exactly happened to Northwestern?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
What was appropriate?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But see it sounded like and that's why I refuted
your your you know, your proclamation on them firing him.
If you're going to suspend him for two weeks for
no pay during this period of time, that's a slap
on the risk. That's literally that's that's a tap on
the risk. That's not even a slap. That's like a
go over there for a minute and let this cool
(07:34):
down and then come back. But you better win because
if you don't win, I can guarantee you. If you
get off to a zero to three start, you're out
of there. You get off to a one and two start,
you're out of there, you know. And so for me,
I was thinking that they were positioning it for him
to either make or break his coaching career at Northwestern
(07:56):
this season. But then listening to what you said earlier
on it made me come to the conclusion they probably
were looking at it that way. And because of all
of the reports, the anonymous which is interesting, that's always
interesting to me. The anonymous person that came forward that
(08:16):
was a former player that gave more details to what
was taking place allegedly in the locker room. Then now
you're looking at a school with the reporting within the
school that pressure created something where maybe that new president said,
(08:40):
this is not the type of smoke I need to
deal with just now getting into such a prestigious educational,
higher level of learning institution.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It is One thing that always interests me in these
stories is you have, you know, a big company corporation
like Northwestern. I know they're college, but come on, they're
they're for profit, right, they make money. They have all
sorts of pr people and attorneys and just so many
people involved in these processes. Is companies like this continually
(09:16):
screw this up, right, I mean to go from a
two week suspension, a slap on the risk essentially as
you called it, which I think is exactly correct, to
firing a coach knowing you're gonna get sued, knowing that
it's not gonna be a popular decision in the locker
room most likely not popular. Is that that BIG's a
big difference LeVar in forty eight hours, right, Like, that's
(09:36):
crazy to me that that that companies do not think
about you know what this is gonna how that's going
to play in the locker room, how this will play
with your boosters, how this will play with with you know,
with with the media and the backlash, and then you know,
if you had suspended Pat Fitzgerald for the first month
of the season, Let's just say, do we have a
(09:57):
call for a firing? Do we have more players coming
out and making you know, things public that happened in
the locker room. Probably not right, but you give us
slap on the wrist, and players are upset about it.
Former players up said about it, and they feel like
you're not listening to their complaints.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
And then more stories come out.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's a complicated this one is is a tap bic complicated?
All right? What's the update on as it applies to
the inter realms lee With.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It expected to be close to impossible to bring in
an outside coach, it is, according to some sources, expected
for Northwestern to name defensive coordinator David Braun as the
acting coach. Braun came to Northwestern back in January from
North Dakota State, so he's the again, the defensive coordinator
that came in to help them.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
After that, I'll say, this coming in less than a
year ago. I guess that makes sense because this has
been reported going on for what the last three years
or so. I mean, he's been there for seventeen years,
so there's a strong chance that the hazing could have
been going on for for a long time. And it
(11:06):
is what it is, I don't know, but seventeen years, right,
he was the head coach there, which is that's a
hell of a long time.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I also, look, you can go look up the allegations
of what the hazing was kind of the.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Players, like, come on, guys, so what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like, that's not that's not that's not something that for me,
if I was in the locker room where there was
graphic things of that nature taking place right in front
of my face, that's just not like, that's that's grounds
for fighting, like like as someone that wouldn't even be
involved with what's taking place. I mean, damn if I'm
(11:44):
a freshman and that's you, you running me like somebody
going catch that wreck, and that's that.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
It's funny. You know, There's so many fascinating layers to this,
and that's one of them too. Is like, again, locker rooms,
I've been in if you did that to some players,
they would there'll be fistfights.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Hey, bro, I'm from Pittsburgh. I'm straight for one two
like I'm I'm I say every day, I'm a recovering
I I'm recovering and I ain't even gonna say what
recovering is, but I'm recovering every single day. There's always
the opportunity for me to revert back and slide back
to what I was. Put your hands on me like that,
that way I could guarantee you. Now, Now, my whole
(12:21):
future is in jeopardy. Now now that that those people
who did it, their future is in jeopardy. And I'm
talking life, I'm not. I'm not talking jeopardy as in
you being a football player. I'm talking it's gonna be
some cats, that's that's on the road, that's that's loading up,
that's coming there, and we're gonna handle this like. We're
gonna handle this like it ain't no. Let me get
my teammate and we're gonna throw We're gonna throw down
(12:41):
like because you did what you did. Now, I'm telling
you dudes with my same last name, dudes that I
grew up with, that ain't doing what I'm doing, but
they doing some real things, like right now today they coming,
We're gonna have, We're gonna have, we gonna have, We're
gonna have to sort this one out because what you
just did like like that, that ain't going That's what
(13:06):
I'm just and I'm just gonna be quiet about it,
and then this is just going to keep going on
for years. Hey man, that's not a penitentiary. It's it's
a university of higher Learning. And by the way, that's
one of the highest learning educational institutions, if not the
in the big ten. I'm damn if you're running me,
(13:28):
running me what Shrek games whatever you calling this? Look here, man,
come on. Plus, I'm super touch sensitive on topics like this,
just because of what took place at Penn State. You
gotta know what's going on in your locker room. Like,
at least know what's going on in your locker room. Okay,
you might have the challenge of what's going on in
(13:50):
the classrooms, what's going on in the dorms and all
that stuff. I get that, but golly, if there's one
place you need to know what the hell is going
on as a football coach and as a that it's
in your locker room. That's the closest in proximity that
you will be with your kids. That's the most time
that these guys are spending that there. There's only probably
(14:12):
one other place that they're spending as much time as
they are in that facility, and that's probably where they
lay their head. Yeah, the same strange to me, Man,
seems very strange to me. This is why he's gone,
right because and this is probably why he's gone because you.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Know this term institutional control, right, So what the NAA
uses when they punish coaches, they say, Hey, the coach
has to know this. He's got to know, you know,
what's happening in his building, especially even there seventeen years.
Guys college coaches, Man, they're like the mayor of the town,
Like they know what's happening in the community. They know
(14:47):
what's happening in their building. And to be there seventeen years,
he had to know exactly what's happening the entire time.
That's the way he didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see they won one
last year, So it's not like, Okay, I do believe
that the transfer portal aspect of this is not even
of significance, because I think it's passed. You can't leave, right,
So you're talking about guys that are going to be stuck,
(15:15):
as you mentioned, being babysat by an interiom head coach,
which now has an impact on that interroom head coach's
resume because he's probably going to get his ass whipped
as well. So then now there's that. It'll be interesting
to see how that plays out. Northwestern will certainly be
a team you at least pay attention to for the
first couple games of the season before they disappear into
(15:37):
the abyss of losing as much as they're probably going
to lose this year. This Two Pros and a Cup
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Com studios. Who there's a quarterback's really good, one of
the best out there. Well, he says that it's going
to be interesting seeing this team in December and does
(15:59):
this create is this the best rivalry in the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right, welcome back into two Pros and a cup
of Joe's. Jeff Schwartz is, LeVar, Arrington, Brady and Jonas
are off. We are rounding the corner heading into the
home stretch. Let's jump into an interesting conversation that is
ensuing about rivalries. All Right, Jamar Chase was recently in
(16:43):
an interview and basically called Joe Burrow the best player
in the NFL, which led to Patrick Mahomes responding at
the Chiefs Ring ceremony and Travis Kelsey responding as well.
It was as to Joe Burrow, did he pay any
mind to that? And if so, what was your reaction?
(17:04):
Joe Burrow's reaction. The best thing about that is it's
all settled on the field. So we'll see them in December.
So if you know what December is, uh, you know
that's that's the playoffs. Uh So to me, this is
one of those those things Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati
(17:26):
Bengals have shown to be the Kansas City Chiefs and
all intensive purposes, They're kryptonite.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Hasn't seemed to be been a team that plays Kansas
City as well as as Cincinnati does, and Cincinnati doesn't
show any signs of slowing down. Joe Burrow does look
to be the truth and the real deal. Uh. And
the next one up? What's your what's your take on this?
Is this the best rivalry, best developing rivalry? Is it overstated?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Oh? Dude?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
This is great for This is great for the NFL.
Rivalries are good for sports, They're great for sports. And
the NFL has some division rivalries, but those are typically
you know, going to be between those fan bases and
not a national thing. Right where you have you know,
you were you play for Washington, like, right, Like, the
NFC East has better rivalries, but that's just within the
(18:20):
NFC East, right, there's no national flavor to to the
to the Dallas, Dallas and Washington. It's just between Dallas
and Washington fans.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
The Bengals and Chiefs is more of a national storyline,
right because they play each other once a year right
now because of the schedule, and in some years they
might might ever play each other, and yet they continually
meet in the postseason, same as sort of like a
Tom Brady Payne man any thing, right where you have
these two teams that continually seem to meet in the postseason,
(18:49):
and there seems to be some genuine hate between the teams,
like there's some eight between these teams. And Patrick Mahomes
has lost I think I did this earlier, six games
in the last three years in the regular season, and
I think three have been against the Bengals. So maybe
two maybe six games the last two years and three
(19:11):
begins the Bengals. Sounds a little bit better than what
I than the first thing I said. So the Bengals
have the Chiefs number, like they legitimately do, and I
mean this is to me, this is great.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
This is great for you know, for for the sport.
I take that back.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
So since Week seven of twenty twenty one, when the
when the Chiefs lost the Tennessee Titans, they have lost one, two, three,
four games total in the regular season, and two of
those have been to the Bengals. And if you want
to include a postseason loss, they've lost five times. So
(19:49):
three of the five losses have been to the Bengals. Wow,
the Bengals sort of have their number. And that's why
this rivalry is great. And this game this year, LeVar
has played on December thirty. First, it's going to be
in week sixteenth of the season. It's week seventeen of
the season, the sixteenth game of the season for both
these teams, and it might determine home foot advantage this year.
And the Chiefs have yet to play a road playoff
(20:10):
game in five seasons, which is wild to say. They've
hosted five straight AFC championship games. So the ability for
the Bengals to knock the Chiefs off would be huge
for them obviously, but it's the only team I think
in the AFC they can beat the Chiefs in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm still on the fence as far as that got
good or them being a rival Yeah, I think probably both.
I think they have to have. For me, I think
this is the year that determines and and really defines
(20:46):
what this will be. How Cincinnati does. It's not so
much what Ken see because Kansas City has already proven it.
They've already won Super Bowls multiples, that they have a
multiple MVP winning quarterback. You know it's right now, it's
still debatable what Joe Burrow will be. Joe still has
(21:09):
yet to win a league MVP. You know, Award get
that nod. I would like to see him get that
under his belt. I'm interested and I'm curious as to
We thought that the AFC West would be a juggernaut
last year, and it was. It was the havelves and
(21:29):
the have nots, right like the Kansas City Chiefs were
the Halves and pretty much everybody else were the have nots.
The Chargers somewhat somewhat, you know, consinkram Saw can sink them.
Say whatever you say. They were all right, they made
the playoffs. They you know, they they gave up their
their big lead to Jacksonville. But the Raiders were a disappointment,
(21:54):
the Denver Broncos tremendous disappointment. You would assume that now
with Sean Payton, that'll be a better team in Denver,
I doubt. I'm certain we'll probably get much of the
same from the Raiders. So you're talking about three teams.
It'll be interesting to see how well you know how
that all plays out in the AFC West. But in
(22:16):
the AFC North, I'm curious this will now be Deshaun
Watson's like prove it year, and now you're looking at
a new contract that's been awarded to Lamar Jackson. This
is Kenny Pickett's second season and still Mike Tollin has
yet to have a losing season.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I just wonder will so that coaching acumen? Will that turn?
Will this Steelers team be more competitive than what it
has been? Will this Ravens team be more competitive than
what it has been? And will this Browns team actually
finally take that next step forward considering that they gave
(22:57):
one of the richest, most deep contract that's ever been
given in the history of the National Football League to
its quarterback? Will that? Will you get an ROI on that?
And that to me is more My focus is how
well will will the Bengals do even in their own division?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Yeah, we'll tell you what, man, Lamar Jackson went healthy
has won seventy percent of the games he started, which
is wild to say, right, Like, he is an incredibly
talented quarterback and he's won a lot of football games,
and so yeah, I think it's very fair to say, like, hey,
the Bengals aren't guaranteed to win the division, and I
(23:37):
don't think that's not not as slight at all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
The Bengals.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
It's that that Lamar Jackson has done a lot of winning.
You mentioned Kenny Pickett, right, like, he played better last season.
The Steelers continued well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
They they improved as the season continued on.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Yes, Yes, and so I think it's very easy to
say that you know that division is going to be
really tough this season. You look the broad roster pretty good.
Not obviously you need to you need, you know, Deshaun
Watson to play well to make that something that you
know is excited. It's exciting for the future. But there's
a lot of good football in that division. There's no
(24:14):
guarantee the Bengals do win that division.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And that's what and that's what, right, and that's so
to me, it's like we're looking at a rivalry possibility,
almost like what we talked about with Peyton Manning and
with Tom Brady. But I almost I feel like, yes,
the Kansas City Chiefs Patrick Mahomes has established dominance. Yes,
Joe Burrow and and Cincinnati have established close to dominance.
(24:42):
It's close. It's not all the way there in my estimation,
but it's very close. This is that year where if
Cincinnati comes out and they're throt throttle in at their thumping.
If they're winning and they're showing that that this this
Cincinnati team is just as good as it's been for
(25:02):
the last two seasons, then now I feel as though
the conversation of that train that trained uh you know,
his trained collision is is really on pace. But I
think that this is one of those seasons where it's
a proven season for Joe Burrow. That's like, you take
that next step two, Okay, he is the best player
(25:23):
in the league right now, Like I gotta give it
to him. Even though you know, Patrick Mahomes is the
man in case and Casey still doing what they're doing.
This is that year for him to, in my estimation,
to really establish that is the presence, that is the
dominance of who Joe Burrow is, But it's also the
presence and the dominance of what little Brother in the
(25:44):
AFC North has been, because that's exactly what they've been
is little brother to the other teams. Like big brother
is the Steelers, you know, big Brother Junior has been
the Ravens, you know, the ugly step child has certainly
been Cleveland, and now Cincinnati is kind of like, well,
you know, we don't want to be an ugly step child.
(26:04):
We just want you know, are we just little brother?
So it's just kind of like for me, there's a
lot that they have to to, you know, determine and
kind of defined before it even gets to the point
of saying the rivalry of Kansas City and Cincinnati. Cincinnati
has to start dominating the North before I even get
to the point of saying that there's the rivalry. That's
(26:27):
that's so the greats of the greats, you know, the
battle of the Greats.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, I mean they also need to win a championship, right, Yeah,
I mean it's fair, yeah, but I do. But again,
I think that robberies, at least perceived robberies, are great
for sports.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I definitely agree, and I'm hoping that it does continue
to evolve that way because those are two fine teams
and those names that were mentioned, Jamar Chase, you know,
Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, those are the best
to the best. Those are the greats in the game.
So it'll be great to see that. All right, well,
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released a statement. If you guys are not up on
what has taken place, Bobby Huggins has had what's the
name of that Showlee on on Netflix something of some
extraordinary events or something like that. What is that called
is something on Netflix? Anyways, extraordinary events. Bobby Huggins has
(28:06):
had some extraordinary events take place, so to speak. And well,
not his fault, I'm about to say, not not in
the most flattering of forms, and not in definitely a
good form, is what we'll say. Uh. I think one
was him talking about adult matters and Catholics and Catholic
(28:28):
schools and uh, the things hitting the ground and well
rubbery and bouncy and anyway. Uh, and then there's uh,
this what the latest deal. Where he was driving, he
was pulled over. Didn't know if he was in Pittsburgh
or Ohio, I believe. And then it was later, you know,
(28:52):
found that he had been enjoying himself just a little
bit too much to be behind the wheel. There was
a report that he released a resignation letter and it
came from his wife June. Please accept this correspondence as
my formal notice of resignation as WVU hit basketball coach
(29:15):
and as notice of my retirement from West Virginia University,
effective immediately. Well. Bob Huggins has stated that he never
resigned from West Virginia University and is demanding his reinstatement
as hit men's basketball coach at the school. This was
(29:38):
a letter from his attorney, David A. Campbell. He says
that Huggins never communicated his resignation directly to the university
and that the purported resignation is incredibly based on a
text message from coach Huggins's wife, Wow, writes Campbell. In
the letter, WVU is face with the following choices. One
(30:03):
reinstate coach Huggins to his basketball coach position once he
has done which he is in a rehabilitation program right now.
If once he's completed it pursuant to the terms of
the employment agreement, two remain in breach of the employment
agreement and face litigation. The litigation will not only involve
(30:26):
the breach of the employment agreement, but also wwvu's clear
violation of state and federal law by terminating Coach Huggins
without due process or even an interview to determine the
true facts, not those reported by the media.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
WOA all right, okay, what true facts are there? You
have a blood alcohol level taken after a stop? That
is that not the real blood alcohol levels or something
there that you did? Did you have like what? There's
no other facts. The fact is you're drinking and driving
(31:06):
and they fired you. Excuse me, you resigned. This is
about money, right, money.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
He wants his money, and if they fire him, they
have to do with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Cause or without cause.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
If it's with cost money, which is going to happen,
and that means that they're not going to pay him.
But then he wants to fight that. Right, It's all
about money. It's not about the job. It's about money.
And he feels like he's owed money. Maybe I don't know.
I mean, you just fire him with cause. But then
it becomes it sounds like there's a process to fire
a coach in West Virginia, and that process might lead
to him earning more money along the way. You resign
(31:44):
you owed zero dollars. To me, it's about money, not
about whether or not he's able to coach again. You know,
his his his direct deposit did not hit this month,
and he realizes that there's you maybe ways to get
some money.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He's never coach.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You wants to again.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
You you can't basically be on probation for comments you
made on a radio.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Station and jack up. A little while later.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
They they lowered remember they lowered a salary by a
million dollars for this season and put him into a
program kind of you know, a you know, a sensitivity
training type type situation. And then while that's happening.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Now you gotta go to another point. The du why
the thing about it yourself into another.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Program is what? What?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
To me, it's not even a it's the d I
was terrible, right, Luckily no one was heard it was
a point too, like it was terrible. But the fact is,
it's to me, it's it's it's it's a judgment issue. Right,
you are the coach of a basketball program. You have
plenty of money. You should be finding a way to
get home. That's not driving when you've been drinking.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Indeed, Either you plan ahead, which you can certainly. I
think he was in Pittsburgh, right, you can play what but.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
He thought he was in Ohio? Correct you?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
First of all, you plan ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
The hell of a night, boy, that's what you was
respons That was from Ohio.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
That's what you do if you're responsible. You plan ahead, right,
you plan ahead, or you get uber. You're in a
big city, get uber, man and drive, get your car
in the morning. Be responsible. You're supposed to be a
leader of men and you're getting a DUI.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Come on, man, that man is old enough to know you.
Planning ahead is knowing yourself. And I know I'm a
drink when I go out, Like you said, have a car,
have a designated driver, have an uber on point like
whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He's enough money to get a black car for the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Night, and he's been around long enough to know that
you handle things a certain way to keep yourself out
of situations like these. But you found yourself in it,
and now you've got to well find your way out
of it. Coming up next on Two Pros and a
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(33:56):
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they're in at least or it there out?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Alright, leave the lap. What you got this week?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Well, first and foremost, it is seven eleven day, which
is important, but more importantly it's Jeff schwartz birthday.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Happy birthday, Happy birthday, my guy?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Are you going? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Go for it?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Also my son's birthday.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Nice, Happy birthday son. What's his name?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
His name is Alex Schwartz. Is it camp today? I
miss him? Sleep Friday?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Nice and joy Alex.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Yeah, Happy birthday man, and happy birthday lit Kim too.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
You know?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah birthday? Well oh well that's wild Yeah, big big
G and little little k.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Yeah there you go. Are you guys partaking in free
slurpey Day?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I don't even know where seveone is in in town?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
What I see like plenty of them. I'll see one right,
as I leave here.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
There's more. There's more in La than Charlotte's.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Okay, there's a ton of them here. I'll tell you that. No, though,
I will not be good. You know, I've been on
this health kick, but maybe I might. Maybe I might,
just you know, just because I will not know. If
I do, I'll mix them all together. I am gonna
mix them all together type of slurpey.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Guy slurpian since I don't know forever.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Am I wrong for saying? I've just never gotten comfortable
with saying, all right, keep it. This is Slushy's good
for me. Slurpy doesn't work for me at all, but god, well, guys.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
It's also the ninety third edition of the MLB All
Star game Life from T Mobile put in Seattle, Super Out.
Obviously we had the home run Derby last night, but
tonight's the All Star game. You guys that are out?
I watched the World Series. That's that's that's good.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
I'm probably out. I mean, I'm lets say, if someone
tells me a wager on it, maybe I'll wager on
it a little bit, but I probably won't watch very
much of it. My wife have been watching Succession every night.
So it's not going to take away.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I've been watching suits. This is good kind of fire man. Yeah,
it's kind of fire I like it. I like suits.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Is it isn't? That's what's your face is in it? Right?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
The Yeah, I knew that was Meghan Markle Duchess. I
knew that was Meghan Markle. That's a great job. She
does an excellent job. That's interesting. I was like, man,
she looks familiar as well.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yeah, she like looks like like like.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's why I knew that was her. She's a good
looking Harry did all right? Man, God, Banks, are we
in on? Are out?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
On?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Harry and markl I'm in.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
I'm out. It's too much drama.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Come on, I'll do that drama. I'm all in if
I'm Harry. I'm not talking about talking. I'm not talking
about I'm risking it all ja.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
I was for her. It's talking about generally if I
am I in and out on the storyline.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Storyline.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, no, I get why we be.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
In on the marriage. I'm proud of Harry. All right,
Go well, I gotta ask you, Jeff, I know I
knew that was her. All right, go ahead, I know
you're gonna be out on this.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
But I gotta ask, Jeff, if you is I know
you're enjoying some golf today for your birthday, I gotta ask,
do you enjoy a hot dog at the turn?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Uh? No, but I will. I will get like a
sandwich or something.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, okay, just not a hot dog.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Guy. Well, well, I don't eat hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay. You know that was where I discovered Tomali's on
a golf course.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh, I would eat it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I discovered Tomali's on the turn at a house like
what what is it called? Like the little little little
rest spot where you could go to the restroom, get
something to drink, you know, get a nice little wet towel,
wash your hands, wash face. They had a house like yeah,
but not the clubhouse they're like on the course.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Oh well that you play much fancier courses than I do.
There's no there was no ghetto nice I'm sorry, it's
gonna be one. There's gonna be gonna be a towel
for me to wipe off my sweat at the public
golf course.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Let me tell you. At this one golf course, and
I think it was like a tiger Woods golf course
or something like that it's already too fancy for me. Well,
all I'm gonna say is is I discovered to Molly's
and I had a hard time getting back in my
cart to keep up with my homies because well I
was stuck eating to Molly's. So all like, all eat.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
As we drive to the whole Okay, Yeah I'm not
all right.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, I couldn't get away from them though. It's just
too many of them. But anyway, well else Lee, We're
out of here, all right, guys, Hey, enjoy the rest
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