July 12, 2023 • 38 mins
LaVar and Geoff discuss the fall of Dan Snyder. The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys to bag on Vegas, Disneyland and the Pac-12. Plus, the daily edition of “You In or Out?”
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there's a new little article that came out by the
Four Letter Network talking about, uh, well, he was free
and clear how the leak of John Gruden's email led
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to the fall of Commander's owner Dan Snyder. All right, Now,
it's a pretty long it's a it's a very very
long article, and and it kind of starts with how
the Raiders were approached and and what Mark Davis found
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himself having to deal with with with coach John Gruden
and the leaked emails that led to his demise as
the head coach of the of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Then it gets into the the leakers, the identities and
how they have still remained unknown and and how it
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was you know, directed at at the Morris then it's
directed at Daniel Snyder. It's it was directed at the Raiders.
I mean there there are a lot of people that
were were actually in uh in the crosshair of all
of this, but none bigger than Daniel Snyder getting caught
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up into more and more legal drama as this unfolded
and ultimately ended up being a major undoing of him
being the owner of the Washington then the Washington Redskins
now the Washington Commanders. You know, what's your what's your
you know, I've never had this conversation with you? What
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what is your take on how all of this has
unfolded with with the Snyder uh saga as it contakes?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Get him about it? There, good, good like it. I'm
glad he's pires gone.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I don't know if the sales completely followed yet, but
he's bad for business man, it's bad for the NFL,
bad for business. You know, we we know what's been
happening in his building. And you don't need a partner
like that in the NFL, right you don't. The team
has been bad, the fans do not like the team,
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the city doesn't like the team, players have not liked
playing for him, And get him out out of there,
man like owners have lost their teams from for much,
you know, for things not as as badly alleged happened
in his building over the years, right like, get him
out of there? Who who?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I know there was you know he might black? Who cares?
Just get him out of there, LeVar And every Washington
fan I know is so happy he's gone. I'm sure
you have your thoughts on him as well, having played there.
But you know, the story is interesting because you know,
the heart of it is, you know who leaked the
John Gruden emails? For those who who do not remember,
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it was two years ago now, emails were leaked that
John Gruden had said, had used racist tropes, had you know,
bash Cadell and you some slurs doing that as well,
and emails got out and eventually he was fired for that.
And the question is how these get out because this
is part of an investigation of a lawsuit and should
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not have gone out. And you know, the the prevailing
wisdom has been Dan Snyder, let this out because he
wanted to sort of take everyone down with him, right,
and be able to kind of you to blackmail everyone
in the NFL, which is everyone's thought that that was
you know, this was out because of that. There was
I thought that there was a story about Jerry Jones
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that was out because of Daniel Snyder. And the article
goes into is it was a Goodell who leaked this?
Was it demor Smith who I'd not heard that before,
but the timing is kind of interesting. It was Snyder, right,
It was Snyder. He threatened to do all these things
and did anyways, and now he's gone. I'm just I'm
just glad he's gone.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
LeVar.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I am so glad for the NFL and for the
Washington fans and players that they will have a new
owner who will care much more about winning, who will
put the resources in they need to to, will hire
the right people to help the franchise win, and will
not thread to blackmail the league when when when it
doesn't go his way.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah. Uh, I live this as a as a Washington
football player. The environment was a toxic environment. I can
confirm that firsthand. Dan Snyder is not a morally an
ethically uh, sound man, his rules of engagement change. Someone
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that seemingly seemed like a really really dope dude in
the beginning ultimately would show you his his.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
True cod about the same time.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Right, Yeah, that was his first draft pick. Yeah, I
was first draft pick. So if there would be someone
who would know, it would probably be me.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, I know, it's why it deferred to you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, he you know, he's but he's a super
cool dude to begin with, and on the surface level,
he was super dope dude. We got really close. I
always tell people the story that you know, I was
actually at some point I was so close with him
and the family. I would visit his dad while he
was you know, ill in the hospital, and I was
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with him, around him for his last days, around him
and his mom. Well, I was around his dad and
his dad's wife, so to to make sure it's clear,
and I was a pallbearer for him and in his
you know, and his his funeral. We were really close.
We used to sit together on the team playing, we
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played chess on the way to games or back from games.
We'd have long conversations. We've gone out to dinner, like
we were like the beginning of our relationship was a
really really harmonious relationship. It wasn't until the politics of
a contract got into the situation that really showed that
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maybe it wasn't that we couldn't be cool, It was
just that business always was going to be more important
than anything else, more important in relationships, more important than
anything else, and whatever that business is. As to how
he sees it, or you know, interpreted how business is
supposed to look and how it's supposed to feel at
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the workplace with your employees and everything that's associated with it,
I think he just had a very very detached lens,
out of focused lens of what a healthy work environment
is supposed to be. And for one reason or another,
you know, everybody has their whole ideas and their assessments
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as to why they think Daniel Snyder has been the
way that he has been. But you know, for me,
I looked at the situation and I just basically thought
to myself, it's just kind of like simple things that
you could have did to really really rally your team,
rally your building around you and around what the team represented,
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and it was just constantly opportunities for that to take
place that never happened. It just never happened, right, you
you could, I always say, you know, you could know
the people who are taking care of the facility. I
speak to Vlati every day. I speak them as BJ
every day. You know, whoever our trainers were, I speak
to them every day. Spend time with them. Our our
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coaches you know in the in the weight room, speak
to him, spend time with them every day. Equipment those people.
Not only did he not know who they were, but
if you did not, if you were not a person
of note, you were not allowed to. Now these are reports,
but and I was told this first hand, by the way,
so this isn't like a report. This is me and
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the building. And I'm being told by other employees, my
colleagues in the in the building, that this is what
they've been told to do, which was you have to
put your head down and don't look at him when
he comes in. Don't even look at him, right, And
if you're if you're in a situation where you're addressing him,
you have to say, miss you have to address him
as mister Snyder. You can't call him Dan, you gotta
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call him mister Snyder. So it was just things like
you know, trying to establish an environment to me that
was more set and geared towards UH, really really building
up and stroking an ego. And I think that it
became the arrogance and the culture of the Upper Brass
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to be the same way. Bruce Allen was a douchebag,
big time, one ten out of ten douche right, other
guys that have been with them. I'm sorry, listen, I
ain't going I ain't gonna hold you, but I'm gonna
just keep it real. Tony Wiley, you were schmuck while
you were dealing with him as well. You were.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
We can what words we can use on Trust radio. Okay,
all right, I'm taking note.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Carl Swanson, you were schmucking it out to anybody. Mark,
Mark you were. You were schmucking it out to Uh.
I don't forget your last name for some reason, but
it just seemed like everyone who came in, and and
and Vinnie, Vinnie. You were my guy, but you know what,
you were schmucking it out to Vinnie. All these guys
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would come in and what happened was they would they
would give in and give way to the arrogance of
how Dan Snyder handled things. And they became a part
of an entourage. So when Jay Gruten came in and
took over as a coach, he did the same exact thing.
When mcglowing mcgluing came in as the GM and he
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did the same thing. Like everything was about just ego tripping,
Like your ego goes to a whole nother place. Because
that's what Dan Snyder valued was was the ego and
the feel of how him and his his cronies, how
they how they moved, and how they looked when they
did things at the owner's meetings going into the games.
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You know, whatever it may have been, it was all
just based off of a facade. You know, you were
creating this this image of being like like the dude,
I mean he was walking around shots out to security
because Mike and those guys, all the guys that were
doing security, I mean super dope dudes. But he'd have
fully armed you know, agents that were walking with him
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around the building. What Like he was never alone, Like
he was never by himself. He always had his security
with him and they were always weird, superware, my gee,
super weird. Like no matter where he was at he
was moving around, was he afraid of They to me,
I don't think it was him being afraid. It was intimidation,
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like he was trying to create the intimidation factor or
the factor, this larger than life figure. And no one
ever looked at him as larger than life. They just
looked at him as little Danny. You know, why right,
little Danny, you know. And so anyway, it's interesting that
this report coming out as it applied to someone else
that was being pinpointed, it was still linked back to
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Washington and the culture that was there, and it ultimately
led to a lot of investigative moves. It led to
the pressure of him having to eventually, you know, put
this team on the market. Now, if you're paying attention,
the team still hasn't been sold. It hasn't gone through yet, correct.
You know we're in July. This is July twelfth. You know,
this has been going on for quite some time. The
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team still has not settled on its new ownership group,
and it has not moved. Now why I continue to
hear that it's moving and it's going to happen. It
still hasn't happened yet. So I find out to be interesting.
He's the sole owner. I believe of all of the
Washington team because if you recall, he was being fought
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by other minority owners and he ended up winning or
getting them up out away, so just being his team.
But I mean, there's just so many details of this,
Like I know some of the cheerleaders that were involved
with with what took place, and they're always constantly hit
me up telling me make sure you put it out there.
We want to see the report released, you know, we
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need to be able to see what the report is.
And I don't disagree with her. I don't disagree with them,
you know. And Melanie is one of the people I'll say,
I'll call it out by name because she's they protest
and they go from city to city when these things
are taking place. Melanie is part of the people that
lead the group of women that were in these situations
that took place. And I think that this needs to
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be released, A report needs to be released, because the
biggest thing is I know we're up on it, but
just I just say this to finish off, regardless of
him selling the team, it should not it should not
remove all culpability from the things and the damage that
he's done, Like he ruined my career, like the way
that thing was handled, it pretty much ruined my career,
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and I don't, I don't, I don't really. For a
long time, I guess I had denial issues about like
how much it impacted me and how much it affected me.
I was upset by it, and I was. I was very,
very bothered by it, and I was told for a
long time I was really angry, and I didn't see it.
I didn't believe it. I didn't feel it. But I
feel like a lot of the fans that said it
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that they were probably correct. Like I was. I was upset.
I was. I was angry at somebody that I was
so close with that we could end up where we
were at, and it was connected to the most important
part of my life, which was playing ball. But but
now I just look at it from the standpoint of
the collateral damage done to people that maybe didn't you know,
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handle it or get through it as well as I
may have. You know, like I moved on with my
life that have done done well since. But there are
a lot of people that were impacted by in a
way where you know, it was just very difficult for them.
I think they should have their opportunity to get closed too.
And I think that the reason why all of these
conversations are continuing to linger on is because he's trying
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to get out of having any type of culpability once
he sells this team. And I think that that's something
that should not be compromised. I don't think it should
be compromised. Just because you sell the team doesn't mean
that you get to be exonerated from any and all
claims that have been against you that actually led to
you having to sell the team in the first place.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
So I think I think that's I mean, that's part
of what what he's trying to stipulate, as as as
you know, if he sells a team, then you can't
release the report, right, he's trying to stipulate that.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Believe that's exactly right. He does not want the damage
top to further continue after he's done selling this team,
and I don't I just don't see how that there's
any way that you can There's no there's no way
that you can can do that, like you just there's
no way that they can say that. But anyways, we
got to get to a break because obviously coming up
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next on two pros and a Cup of Joe live
from the tyrack dot Com Studios. We're gonna have the Man,
the Myth, the Legend, the old p Petros Papadakas, co
host of The Petros and Money Show and analyst for
Fox College Sports College Football. Uh, he'll be coming on
next so we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.
It's Jess Schwartz. I'm LeVar Arrington will be right back.
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Speaker 4 (17:38):
All right, we're gonna go to my man, Olp right now,
Petros Papa Dakas gor So, good morning, sir, Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Hi Jeff, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm okay, I'm here sitting here.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Are you gonna be in Vegas next week?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I am?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I have to overlap.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
I uh, I you know, I hate going anywhere, and
if I have to go somewhere, I really don't want
to go to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Las Vegas is good.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Really you want to know, Yes, I feel like Las
Vegas is a horrible place for myriad reasons. Number one,
I would say it's always dangerous to be anywhere like
Disneyland or somewhere like that where people feel entitled to
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a good time, Like they feel like if I'm not
having a good time, I'm wasting my time and money,
which I guess is the case in Vegas. So everybody
ends up kind of like clawing over each other like rats,
you know, in a drowning situation, clawing for that good time.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
The other thing that bothers me about Vegas, so it's
like you get this frantic kind of vibe with everybody,
kind of like a line outside the club sort of
vibe everywhere at all times. And that brings in the
wristband culture of Las Vegas, which is like there's always
something better than what you have, Like, yeah, you might
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have that special risk band and the three level club
party table service at this particular place or something, but
you don't have the super special risk band, yeah, where
the guys being filated by a dolphin in a special jacuzzie.
You know, you know, there's always something that is way
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better than what you got and not to and that's
not to say like you shouldn't be happy with what
you have, but they rub it in your face, you know,
like you see the guy that the jacuzzi, the guy
that is with the dolphin in is see through, you know,
so they put it in your face. Also, like the
world of paying like six seven hundred, eight hundred, nine
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hundred dollars for a nice decent hotel room. Well we
live there though, right Like, you know, you could pay
even more than that. And most places they charge you
a bunch of money for a hotel and they'll call
you a cab. Las Vegas is the only place where
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you're paying nine hundred bucks a night for a room.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You got to pay extra to use the gym.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You do have to pay to use the gym, twenty dollars.
I had to pay.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Yeah, and you're already paying a thousand bucks or whatever.
And then you want to go take a cab somewhere,
you got to wait in this a whole cab line.
My point is they do so much volume as far
as people go like Disneyland, that they don't know the
difference between somebody staying in the hotel or a frat
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boy who's barfing on the Carpet who just came from
the Four Queens. So it just to me is there's
if you're going to spend money and try to enjoy yourself,
there's so many other places to do it.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Now.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I am an agoraphobe and I don't really like going anywhere,
so take that with a grain of salt. But yes,
I will be in Las Vegas with with all of
our friends in the Mountain West and the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I gotta do Mountain West.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Can you guys have a big hug and send me?
Speaker 8 (21:22):
Of course we will, but I'm only going to be there.
I have to come back for a funeral.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Send me to Sophie.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and then I have to go to the Savannah Bananas.
You ever heard of what that is?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah town? Right now? Yeah, I have to take my
son to see what about?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (21:37):
No, no, it's a It's like the Harlem Globe Trotters
of baseball.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Okay, a huge deal, got it?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Guy used to know what's his name? Eric Burns, the
guy from U C. L A. I think he's behind
it in some way or another. Maybe he's not, I
don't know, but uh yeah, So so I will be there.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
I have to do the Mountain West meetings for Fox,
so they bring in all the different mountains coaches. For me,
I got to sit in a room and then I
got to go to the most awkward dinner on Earth,
the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Buddy.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Oh yeah, can we talk about that? Like all right,
So the PAC twelve is deteriorating, to say the least,
very quickly, op, And I just I wonder, does it
does it does it go to nothing? Does it does
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it disbend, or does it does it dissolve?
Speaker 8 (22:31):
That's a good question, because most people don't. They don't
want to cut to the bone and ask that question, right, Yeah,
they want to ask about San Diego State something like that,
and you know, deteriorating quickly. I would say it appears
that way, but only because like it appears that a
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guy at the end of running one hundred or two
hundred meters is going faster, And the truth is that
guy's not going faster, He's just maintaining speed. And that's
what's happened to the PAC twelve. And I've tried desperately
to make this point, and I don't think anybody wants
to hear it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And it used to be a point that a lot
of our.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Journalist colleagues like John Canzano and John Wilner really made
first and got us all riled up. And now they've
kind of taken a different direction with their reporting, which
is understandable. But the truth is this happened the day
Larry Scott did his deal. The PAC twelve was irreparably
harmed and has been bleeding out ever since. Their deal
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got them, you know, eleven twelve million dollars less than
everybody else was making that they were trying to compete with.
You multiply that by you know, whatever a decade. You know,
you're talking about one hundred and twenty million dollars, and
that's one hundred and twenty million dollars perdue has that
you don't have because you're in commissioner. Would not partner
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with a television partner that had distribution or knew how
to put television on. And then it's on the university
presidents for not noticing that they were bleeding out, looking
down and seeing all the crimson flowing from the conference
and just looking forward and saying everything's great, and paying
this guy millions of dollars literally to destroy the structure
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of West Coast college football, and that is what's happened.
It is awful, it's heartbreaking. The Pac ten, Pac twelve
and traveling those cities and understanding their past is a
huge part of who I am as a broadcaster and
my history in my employment. And I am devastated. But
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what's going to happen? I mean, if I had to guess,
the four corner schools go to the Big twelve, Oregon
and Washington get a probationary deal or a full piece
of the pie, one way or another, they're going to
be there permanently into the Big ten and then teams
that I really like and are really concerned about, Kyle Stanford,
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Oregon State, Washington State, we're going to have to figure out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Where do they go right and probably to the Mountain West.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
And the thing is, it's not going to be very
different from who they are now. Like the money, the
deal that the PAC twelve did made them more like
the Mountain West than the Big ten or the Big
twelve or the SEC or the teams they're trying.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
To compete with.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And that's basically there's nothing wrong with the Mountain West,
but it's a different level and that's the level the
PAC twelve immediately became when they lost the Los Angeles market.
I hate to be LA centric, but there is no
PAC twelve without LA and it's not even close. You
can't market the conference without that piece, and San Diego
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State is not going to fill that hole. So yeah,
I mean it's over. It's been over.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
So you know, I feel exactly the same way you
do about all of this. I'm from Los Angeles. I
went to Oregon, like I do, patrol radio for Heaven
Days for the last five years. So I feel the
same way that you do about the regionality of the sport.
Right how the West Coast, there's a fabric there with
all the teams. They play each other each year, there's
a history there. You obviously cover a lot of their games,
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You've called their games fears. You went to USC. However, nationally,
can you make the argument this is good right USC,
Ohio State, you seel a Michigan like these better games,
Oklahoma playing Georgia and Texas playing band I know they're
playing non conference this year, but the games themselves, Petros
are better football matchups.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Well, they'll be a great deal of interest from the
city of Los Angeles to the rest of the world
of college football, and they'll be plenty to promote, which
isn't to say there'll be other stuff to promote.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
In other schools, and.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
The landscape will move on, and honestly, I don't even
know how long the conferences will last. I mean, the
TV deals are the TV deals, but at some point
they just got to get out from under the umbrella
of the NCAA, which we talk about all the time,
create more of a revenue situation because I mean, guys,
this word nil. I mean most of the stuff we
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say is nil isn't even nil. It's just a booster plan.
A guy a pay a guy to play. I mean,
it's the same as we used to do for decades
under the table. As far as football competition, yeah, I'm
interested as hell. I want to see what USC is
like playing at Northwestern or something in October. You know,
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it's going to be very interesting. And I think there's
going to be more and more of that in college football.
And to be honest, there's been that in college football
our entire lifetimes. In before change has been the con
the Southwest Conference was something that people used to adore, you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Know, and it's gone.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Oklahoma, Nebraska don't play anymore, you know, b Yu and
Utah didn't play every year. So there's always change, seismic
change happening. But it is awful hard to say goodbye
to USC at Washington State, you know, on a Thursday
night in November.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Lamb to the slaughter.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You know, Dion is recovering and is back in the saddle,
and he seems to be the kind of the lone
lightning rod of I don't know attention for the PAC
twelve outside of talking about its demise right now, but
I mean, what would happen if he wasn't able to coach?
(28:53):
Like I started thinking this the other week the other.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Day, like if he can't coach, well, you got to
get him the hughe free, he's Dennis bed and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Then put him up in the booth. Yes, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
I mean it's interesting, you know, LeVar, because we've talked
a lot about Dion and the question that you asked
her a statement you made within the question about how
he's the lightning rod of publicity right now for the conference,
and I would say, yes, that's absolutely true right now,
right yeah, and Fox is going to take advantage of
(29:28):
that they are going to use that They're going to
put Colorado on. I think the first two weeks, two
of the first correct three games they.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Have on will be Big Noon, not just Fox.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, it's not just it's not like I'm showing
up calling the game.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I mean they're going to do the whole thing, Brady
Quinn and mark ingram now so that they'll promote the
hell out of that. And Colorado has thrown one gigantic
off season party. Reminds me of like when the Lakers
drafted Lonzo Ball, right, you know, you throw, you throw
like a three month a part. You talk about his shoes,
(30:01):
you talk about, oh look at coach prime sweatshirt and
all this stuff. Water is going to find its level
and they're probably not going to be as interesting to
watch during the season as they were in the offseason,
would be my prediction. And during the season, Pac twelve
storylines will be Cam Rising at Utah, Michael Pennix at Washington,
(30:26):
Caleb Williams at USC, Heisman winner, you know, probably the
best player in college football. And can USC play better
on defense? Can they create more of an amalgamated team vibe.
That's a tall task for Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So I think the.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Storylines will shift to kind of the more proven entities.
And for the last year of the Pac twelve as
we know it, it's a hell of a sendoff, right,
I forgot Bo Nicks at Oregon, you know, I mean, so,
I mean that's going to be the storyline when the
season starts, I think. And the off season parties that
(31:07):
were thrown. I mean I remember the off season parties
ates he used to throw when Kiffen was the coach,
or Sark or Helton, and they'd be like, well, yeah,
the guys terrible, and the West Coast Football's in disarray
because us he is a mess. But hey, did you
see this recruiting class. It's like, God, guys, we've been
through this before. You know, when the season starts, it
(31:29):
feels a lot different. So off season parties, and I
think those parties will end in September.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Lust for me very quickly. On your Trojans, Yeah, they
have more talent on defense, but besides, you know, one
defensive line, they don't have much depth on their defense, right,
and we've seen now history of Alex Gringe defenses. They
had talent Oklahoma, two guys they weren't just like an
untalented bunch there.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
No one wants to think about that in LA. No
one wants to look at you. I know, so do you.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I can't believe that Lincoln Riley teams give up points.
They can't believe it out here.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I think I saw the number that give up like
forty points, like eighteen times. And since it's ridiculous, do
you see USC being any better on defense? I think
they play much tougher schedule. I think turnovers. You're not
going to force twenty seven turnovers. Again, I am not
as high on USC winning the conference as others might be.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Well, USC's turnover thing masked an issue that really caught
up later in the year. Right, they forced dtr into
three interceptions. Otherwise they were losing that UCLA game. Yes,
and obviously we saw what Utah did to him twice.
Tulane scored at Will. I mean at will, I mean
(32:40):
I did the Colorado game. Colorado ran the ball well,
I mean he did. It's interesting because there's something about
offensive coaches, there's something about these very special offensive coaches
that the other side of the ball gets left out there. Now,
(33:00):
what happened in se last year is hard to imagine.
I mean, I do know how quickly that team was
slapped together, and I think the real miracle, like you said,
is the twenty seven turnovers, the offense they put together
and the success they had. You juxtaposed that with one
of the most embarrassing moments in USC football history. I mean,
(33:22):
this is USC football, and they could barely field a
team against Cal that last game with the interim coach
and all that, and that was really ugly. Guys didn't
want to play. People were disgruntled, and that should not
ever happen fielding a team in a USC uniform, but
(33:44):
it did. And privately, Lincoln Riley does cite that. He says,
you know, to USC people, he says, you know, you
saw what we were up against, and you saw what
we've done.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Now watch us build it.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
With the lack of depth and the way they leave
the offense, the way the offense leaves the defense out there, Jeff,
it's hard not to feel the same. But it's hard
to imagine them being worse defensively too. I mean, you
would expect them to be a little bit better, since
it's a point of emphasis, But you know, with the
transfer portal and the way things go, there's no way
(34:19):
to know unless we start playing right. So I can't
wait to see how they've addressed it. And maybe if
they run the ball a little more, try to keep
Caleb on the field a little longer, take some air
out of the ball in situations to help the defense out.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
We'll see how that plays out.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Well. There you have it. That's the old p Thanks
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I forget my shoes. Come on, y'all gotta help me
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I mean I get Amazon Prime every single day. I
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there's a new little article that came out by the
Four Letter Network talking about, uh, well, he was free
and clear how the leak of John Gruden's email led
(01:59):
to the fall of Commander's owner Dan Snyder. All right, Now,
it's a pretty long it's a it's a very very
long article, and and it kind of starts with how
the Raiders were approached and and what Mark Davis found
(02:21):
himself having to deal with with with coach John Gruden
and the leaked emails that led to his demise as
the head coach of the of the Las Vegas Raiders.
Then it gets into the the leakers, the identities and
how they have still remained unknown and and how it
(02:43):
was you know, directed at at the Morris then it's
directed at Daniel Snyder. It's it was directed at the Raiders.
I mean there there are a lot of people that
were were actually in uh in the crosshair of all
of this, but none bigger than Daniel Snyder getting caught
(03:04):
up into more and more legal drama as this unfolded
and ultimately ended up being a major undoing of him
being the owner of the Washington then the Washington Redskins
now the Washington Commanders. You know, what's your what's your
you know, I've never had this conversation with you? What
(03:26):
what is your take on how all of this has
unfolded with with the Snyder uh saga as it contakes?
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Get him about it? There, good, good like it. I'm
glad he's pires gone.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I don't know if the sales completely followed yet, but
he's bad for business man, it's bad for the NFL,
bad for business. You know, we we know what's been
happening in his building. And you don't need a partner
like that in the NFL, right you don't. The team
has been bad, the fans do not like the team,
(04:03):
the city doesn't like the team, players have not liked
playing for him, And get him out out of there,
man like owners have lost their teams from for much,
you know, for things not as as badly alleged happened
in his building over the years, right like, get him
out of there? Who who?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I know there was you know he might black? Who cares?
Just get him out of there, LeVar And every Washington
fan I know is so happy he's gone. I'm sure
you have your thoughts on him as well, having played there.
But you know, the story is interesting because you know,
the heart of it is, you know who leaked the
John Gruden emails? For those who who do not remember,
(04:45):
it was two years ago now, emails were leaked that
John Gruden had said, had used racist tropes, had you know,
bash Cadell and you some slurs doing that as well,
and emails got out and eventually he was fired for that.
And the question is how these get out because this
is part of an investigation of a lawsuit and should
(05:07):
not have gone out. And you know, the the prevailing
wisdom has been Dan Snyder, let this out because he
wanted to sort of take everyone down with him, right,
and be able to kind of you to blackmail everyone
in the NFL, which is everyone's thought that that was
you know, this was out because of that. There was
I thought that there was a story about Jerry Jones
(05:28):
that was out because of Daniel Snyder. And the article
goes into is it was a Goodell who leaked this?
Was it demor Smith who I'd not heard that before,
but the timing is kind of interesting. It was Snyder, right,
It was Snyder. He threatened to do all these things
and did anyways, and now he's gone. I'm just I'm
just glad he's gone.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
LeVar.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I am so glad for the NFL and for the
Washington fans and players that they will have a new
owner who will care much more about winning, who will
put the resources in they need to to, will hire
the right people to help the franchise win, and will
not thread to blackmail the league when when when it
doesn't go his way.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah. Uh, I live this as a as a Washington
football player. The environment was a toxic environment. I can
confirm that firsthand. Dan Snyder is not a morally an
ethically uh, sound man, his rules of engagement change. Someone
(06:30):
that seemingly seemed like a really really dope dude in
the beginning ultimately would show you his his.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
True cod about the same time.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Right, Yeah, that was his first draft pick. Yeah, I
was first draft pick. So if there would be someone
who would know, it would probably be me.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, I know, it's why it deferred to you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, he you know, he's but he's a super
cool dude to begin with, and on the surface level,
he was super dope dude. We got really close. I
always tell people the story that you know, I was
actually at some point I was so close with him
and the family. I would visit his dad while he
was you know, ill in the hospital, and I was
(07:10):
with him, around him for his last days, around him
and his mom. Well, I was around his dad and
his dad's wife, so to to make sure it's clear,
and I was a pallbearer for him and in his
you know, and his his funeral. We were really close.
We used to sit together on the team playing, we
(07:31):
played chess on the way to games or back from games.
We'd have long conversations. We've gone out to dinner, like
we were like the beginning of our relationship was a
really really harmonious relationship. It wasn't until the politics of
a contract got into the situation that really showed that
(07:54):
maybe it wasn't that we couldn't be cool, It was
just that business always was going to be more important
than anything else, more important in relationships, more important than
anything else, and whatever that business is. As to how
he sees it, or you know, interpreted how business is
supposed to look and how it's supposed to feel at
(08:16):
the workplace with your employees and everything that's associated with it,
I think he just had a very very detached lens,
out of focused lens of what a healthy work environment
is supposed to be. And for one reason or another,
you know, everybody has their whole ideas and their assessments
(08:41):
as to why they think Daniel Snyder has been the
way that he has been. But you know, for me,
I looked at the situation and I just basically thought
to myself, it's just kind of like simple things that
you could have did to really really rally your team,
rally your building around you and around what the team represented,
(09:02):
and it was just constantly opportunities for that to take
place that never happened. It just never happened, right, you
you could, I always say, you know, you could know
the people who are taking care of the facility. I
speak to Vlati every day. I speak them as BJ
every day. You know, whoever our trainers were, I speak
to them every day. Spend time with them. Our our
(09:24):
coaches you know in the in the weight room, speak
to him, spend time with them every day. Equipment those people.
Not only did he not know who they were, but
if you did not, if you were not a person
of note, you were not allowed to. Now these are reports,
but and I was told this first hand, by the way,
so this isn't like a report. This is me and
(09:46):
the building. And I'm being told by other employees, my
colleagues in the in the building, that this is what
they've been told to do, which was you have to
put your head down and don't look at him when
he comes in. Don't even look at him, right, And
if you're if you're in a situation where you're addressing him,
you have to say, miss you have to address him
as mister Snyder. You can't call him Dan, you gotta
(10:08):
call him mister Snyder. So it was just things like
you know, trying to establish an environment to me that
was more set and geared towards UH, really really building
up and stroking an ego. And I think that it
became the arrogance and the culture of the Upper Brass
(10:33):
to be the same way. Bruce Allen was a douchebag,
big time, one ten out of ten douche right, other
guys that have been with them. I'm sorry, listen, I
ain't going I ain't gonna hold you, but I'm gonna
just keep it real. Tony Wiley, you were schmuck while
you were dealing with him as well. You were.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
We can what words we can use on Trust radio. Okay,
all right, I'm taking note.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Carl Swanson, you were schmucking it out to anybody. Mark,
Mark you were. You were schmucking it out to Uh.
I don't forget your last name for some reason, but
it just seemed like everyone who came in, and and
and Vinnie, Vinnie. You were my guy, but you know what,
you were schmucking it out to Vinnie. All these guys
(11:22):
would come in and what happened was they would they
would give in and give way to the arrogance of
how Dan Snyder handled things. And they became a part
of an entourage. So when Jay Gruten came in and
took over as a coach, he did the same exact thing.
When mcglowing mcgluing came in as the GM and he
(11:45):
did the same thing. Like everything was about just ego tripping,
Like your ego goes to a whole nother place. Because
that's what Dan Snyder valued was was the ego and
the feel of how him and his his cronies, how
they how they moved, and how they looked when they
did things at the owner's meetings going into the games.
(12:05):
You know, whatever it may have been, it was all
just based off of a facade. You know, you were
creating this this image of being like like the dude,
I mean he was walking around shots out to security
because Mike and those guys, all the guys that were
doing security, I mean super dope dudes. But he'd have
fully armed you know, agents that were walking with him
(12:28):
around the building. What Like he was never alone, Like
he was never by himself. He always had his security
with him and they were always weird, superware, my gee,
super weird. Like no matter where he was at he
was moving around, was he afraid of They to me,
I don't think it was him being afraid. It was intimidation,
(12:49):
like he was trying to create the intimidation factor or
the factor, this larger than life figure. And no one
ever looked at him as larger than life. They just
looked at him as little Danny. You know, why right,
little Danny, you know. And so anyway, it's interesting that
this report coming out as it applied to someone else
that was being pinpointed, it was still linked back to
(13:13):
Washington and the culture that was there, and it ultimately
led to a lot of investigative moves. It led to
the pressure of him having to eventually, you know, put
this team on the market. Now, if you're paying attention,
the team still hasn't been sold. It hasn't gone through yet, correct.
You know we're in July. This is July twelfth. You know,
this has been going on for quite some time. The
(13:34):
team still has not settled on its new ownership group,
and it has not moved. Now why I continue to
hear that it's moving and it's going to happen. It
still hasn't happened yet. So I find out to be interesting.
He's the sole owner. I believe of all of the
Washington team because if you recall, he was being fought
(13:56):
by other minority owners and he ended up winning or
getting them up out away, so just being his team.
But I mean, there's just so many details of this,
Like I know some of the cheerleaders that were involved
with with what took place, and they're always constantly hit
me up telling me make sure you put it out there.
We want to see the report released, you know, we
(14:17):
need to be able to see what the report is.
And I don't disagree with her. I don't disagree with them,
you know. And Melanie is one of the people I'll say,
I'll call it out by name because she's they protest
and they go from city to city when these things
are taking place. Melanie is part of the people that
lead the group of women that were in these situations
that took place. And I think that this needs to
(14:40):
be released, A report needs to be released, because the
biggest thing is I know we're up on it, but
just I just say this to finish off, regardless of
him selling the team, it should not it should not
remove all culpability from the things and the damage that
he's done, Like he ruined my career, like the way
that thing was handled, it pretty much ruined my career,
(15:03):
and I don't, I don't, I don't really. For a
long time, I guess I had denial issues about like
how much it impacted me and how much it affected me.
I was upset by it, and I was. I was very,
very bothered by it, and I was told for a
long time I was really angry, and I didn't see it.
I didn't believe it. I didn't feel it. But I
feel like a lot of the fans that said it
(15:24):
that they were probably correct. Like I was. I was upset.
I was. I was angry at somebody that I was
so close with that we could end up where we
were at, and it was connected to the most important
part of my life, which was playing ball. But but
now I just look at it from the standpoint of
the collateral damage done to people that maybe didn't you know,
(15:45):
handle it or get through it as well as I
may have. You know, like I moved on with my
life that have done done well since. But there are
a lot of people that were impacted by in a
way where you know, it was just very difficult for them.
I think they should have their opportunity to get closed too.
And I think that the reason why all of these
conversations are continuing to linger on is because he's trying
(16:06):
to get out of having any type of culpability once
he sells this team. And I think that that's something
that should not be compromised. I don't think it should
be compromised. Just because you sell the team doesn't mean
that you get to be exonerated from any and all
claims that have been against you that actually led to
you having to sell the team in the first place.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
So I think I think that's I mean, that's part
of what what he's trying to stipulate, as as as
you know, if he sells a team, then you can't
release the report, right, he's trying to stipulate that.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Believe that's exactly right. He does not want the damage
top to further continue after he's done selling this team,
and I don't I just don't see how that there's
any way that you can There's no there's no way
that you can can do that, like you just there's
no way that they can say that. But anyways, we
got to get to a break because obviously coming up
(17:00):
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Hi Jeff, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm okay, I'm here sitting here.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Are you gonna be in Vegas next week?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I am?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I have to overlap.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
I uh, I you know, I hate going anywhere, and
if I have to go somewhere, I really don't want
to go to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Las Vegas is good.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
Really you want to know, Yes, I feel like Las
Vegas is a horrible place for myriad reasons. Number one,
I would say it's always dangerous to be anywhere like
Disneyland or somewhere like that where people feel entitled to
(18:29):
a good time, Like they feel like if I'm not
having a good time, I'm wasting my time and money,
which I guess is the case in Vegas. So everybody
ends up kind of like clawing over each other like rats,
you know, in a drowning situation, clawing for that good time.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
The other thing that bothers me about Vegas, so it's
like you get this frantic kind of vibe with everybody,
kind of like a line outside the club sort of
vibe everywhere at all times. And that brings in the
wristband culture of Las Vegas, which is like there's always
something better than what you have, Like, yeah, you might
(19:11):
have that special risk band and the three level club
party table service at this particular place or something, but
you don't have the super special risk band, yeah, where
the guys being filated by a dolphin in a special jacuzzie.
You know, you know, there's always something that is way
(19:33):
better than what you got and not to and that's
not to say like you shouldn't be happy with what
you have, but they rub it in your face, you know,
like you see the guy that the jacuzzi, the guy
that is with the dolphin in is see through, you know,
so they put it in your face. Also, like the
world of paying like six seven hundred, eight hundred, nine
(19:54):
hundred dollars for a nice decent hotel room. Well we
live there though, right Like, you know, you could pay
even more than that. And most places they charge you
a bunch of money for a hotel and they'll call
you a cab. Las Vegas is the only place where
(20:14):
you're paying nine hundred bucks a night for a room.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You got to pay extra to use the gym.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
You do have to pay to use the gym, twenty dollars.
I had to pay.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Yeah, and you're already paying a thousand bucks or whatever.
And then you want to go take a cab somewhere,
you got to wait in this a whole cab line.
My point is they do so much volume as far
as people go like Disneyland, that they don't know the
difference between somebody staying in the hotel or a frat
(20:45):
boy who's barfing on the Carpet who just came from
the Four Queens. So it just to me is there's
if you're going to spend money and try to enjoy yourself,
there's so many other places to do it.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Now.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I am an agoraphobe and I don't really like going anywhere,
so take that with a grain of salt. But yes,
I will be in Las Vegas with with all of
our friends in the Mountain West and the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I gotta do Mountain West.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Can you guys have a big hug and send me?
Speaker 8 (21:22):
Of course we will, but I'm only going to be there.
I have to come back for a funeral.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Send me to Sophie.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and then I have to go to the Savannah Bananas.
You ever heard of what that is?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah town? Right now? Yeah, I have to take my
son to see what about?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (21:37):
No, no, it's a It's like the Harlem Globe Trotters
of baseball.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Okay, a huge deal, got it?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Guy used to know what's his name? Eric Burns, the
guy from U C. L A. I think he's behind
it in some way or another. Maybe he's not, I
don't know, but uh yeah, So so I will be there.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
I have to do the Mountain West meetings for Fox,
so they bring in all the different mountains coaches. For me,
I got to sit in a room and then I
got to go to the most awkward dinner on Earth,
the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Buddy.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Oh yeah, can we talk about that? Like all right,
So the PAC twelve is deteriorating, to say the least,
very quickly, op, And I just I wonder, does it
does it does it go to nothing? Does it does
(22:28):
it disbend, or does it does it dissolve?
Speaker 8 (22:31):
That's a good question, because most people don't. They don't
want to cut to the bone and ask that question, right, Yeah,
they want to ask about San Diego State something like that,
and you know, deteriorating quickly. I would say it appears
that way, but only because like it appears that a
(22:53):
guy at the end of running one hundred or two
hundred meters is going faster, And the truth is that
guy's not going faster, He's just maintaining speed. And that's
what's happened to the PAC twelve. And I've tried desperately
to make this point, and I don't think anybody wants
to hear it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And it used to be a point that a lot
of our.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Journalist colleagues like John Canzano and John Wilner really made
first and got us all riled up. And now they've
kind of taken a different direction with their reporting, which
is understandable. But the truth is this happened the day
Larry Scott did his deal. The PAC twelve was irreparably
harmed and has been bleeding out ever since. Their deal
(23:41):
got them, you know, eleven twelve million dollars less than
everybody else was making that they were trying to compete with.
You multiply that by you know, whatever a decade. You know,
you're talking about one hundred and twenty million dollars, and
that's one hundred and twenty million dollars perdue has that
you don't have because you're in commissioner. Would not partner
(24:02):
with a television partner that had distribution or knew how
to put television on. And then it's on the university
presidents for not noticing that they were bleeding out, looking
down and seeing all the crimson flowing from the conference
and just looking forward and saying everything's great, and paying
this guy millions of dollars literally to destroy the structure
(24:25):
of West Coast college football, and that is what's happened.
It is awful, it's heartbreaking. The Pac ten, Pac twelve
and traveling those cities and understanding their past is a
huge part of who I am as a broadcaster and
my history in my employment. And I am devastated. But
(24:47):
what's going to happen? I mean, if I had to guess,
the four corner schools go to the Big twelve, Oregon
and Washington get a probationary deal or a full piece
of the pie, one way or another, they're going to
be there permanently into the Big ten and then teams
that I really like and are really concerned about, Kyle Stanford,
(25:10):
Oregon State, Washington State, we're going to have to figure out.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Where do they go right and probably to the Mountain West.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
And the thing is, it's not going to be very
different from who they are now. Like the money, the
deal that the PAC twelve did made them more like
the Mountain West than the Big ten or the Big
twelve or the SEC or the teams they're trying.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
To compete with.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
And that's basically there's nothing wrong with the Mountain West,
but it's a different level and that's the level the
PAC twelve immediately became when they lost the Los Angeles market.
I hate to be LA centric, but there is no
PAC twelve without LA and it's not even close. You
can't market the conference without that piece, and San Diego
(25:59):
State is not going to fill that hole. So yeah,
I mean it's over. It's been over.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
So you know, I feel exactly the same way you
do about all of this. I'm from Los Angeles. I
went to Oregon, like I do, patrol radio for Heaven
Days for the last five years. So I feel the
same way that you do about the regionality of the sport.
Right how the West Coast, there's a fabric there with
all the teams. They play each other each year, there's
a history there. You obviously cover a lot of their games,
(26:26):
You've called their games fears. You went to USC. However, nationally,
can you make the argument this is good right USC,
Ohio State, you seel a Michigan like these better games,
Oklahoma playing Georgia and Texas playing band I know they're
playing non conference this year, but the games themselves, Petros
are better football matchups.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Well, they'll be a great deal of interest from the
city of Los Angeles to the rest of the world
of college football, and they'll be plenty to promote, which
isn't to say there'll be other stuff to promote.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
In other schools, and.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
The landscape will move on, and honestly, I don't even
know how long the conferences will last. I mean, the
TV deals are the TV deals, but at some point
they just got to get out from under the umbrella
of the NCAA, which we talk about all the time,
create more of a revenue situation because I mean, guys,
this word nil. I mean most of the stuff we
(27:26):
say is nil isn't even nil. It's just a booster plan.
A guy a pay a guy to play. I mean,
it's the same as we used to do for decades
under the table. As far as football competition, yeah, I'm
interested as hell. I want to see what USC is
like playing at Northwestern or something in October. You know,
(27:48):
it's going to be very interesting. And I think there's
going to be more and more of that in college football.
And to be honest, there's been that in college football
our entire lifetimes. In before change has been the con
the Southwest Conference was something that people used to adore, you.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Know, and it's gone.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Oklahoma, Nebraska don't play anymore, you know, b Yu and
Utah didn't play every year. So there's always change, seismic
change happening. But it is awful hard to say goodbye
to USC at Washington State, you know, on a Thursday
night in November.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Lamb to the slaughter.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You know, Dion is recovering and is back in the saddle,
and he seems to be the kind of the lone
lightning rod of I don't know attention for the PAC
twelve outside of talking about its demise right now, but
I mean, what would happen if he wasn't able to coach?
(28:53):
Like I started thinking this the other week the other.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Day, like if he can't coach, well, you got to
get him the hughe free, he's Dennis bed and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Then put him up in the booth. Yes, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
I mean it's interesting, you know, LeVar, because we've talked
a lot about Dion and the question that you asked
her a statement you made within the question about how
he's the lightning rod of publicity right now for the conference,
and I would say, yes, that's absolutely true right now,
right yeah, and Fox is going to take advantage of
(29:28):
that they are going to use that They're going to
put Colorado on. I think the first two weeks, two
of the first correct three games they.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Have on will be Big Noon, not just Fox.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know, it's not just it's not like I'm showing
up calling the game.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I mean they're going to do the whole thing, Brady
Quinn and mark ingram now so that they'll promote the
hell out of that. And Colorado has thrown one gigantic
off season party. Reminds me of like when the Lakers
drafted Lonzo Ball, right, you know, you throw, you throw
like a three month a part. You talk about his shoes,
(30:01):
you talk about, oh look at coach prime sweatshirt and
all this stuff. Water is going to find its level
and they're probably not going to be as interesting to
watch during the season as they were in the offseason,
would be my prediction. And during the season, Pac twelve
storylines will be Cam Rising at Utah, Michael Pennix at Washington,
(30:26):
Caleb Williams at USC, Heisman winner, you know, probably the
best player in college football. And can USC play better
on defense? Can they create more of an amalgamated team vibe.
That's a tall task for Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
So I think the.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Storylines will shift to kind of the more proven entities.
And for the last year of the Pac twelve as
we know it, it's a hell of a sendoff, right,
I forgot Bo Nicks at Oregon, you know, I mean, so,
I mean that's going to be the storyline when the
season starts, I think. And the off season parties that
(31:07):
were thrown. I mean I remember the off season parties
ates he used to throw when Kiffen was the coach,
or Sark or Helton, and they'd be like, well, yeah,
the guys terrible, and the West Coast Football's in disarray
because us he is a mess. But hey, did you
see this recruiting class. It's like, God, guys, we've been
through this before. You know, when the season starts, it
(31:29):
feels a lot different. So off season parties, and I
think those parties will end in September.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Lust for me very quickly. On your Trojans, Yeah, they
have more talent on defense, but besides, you know, one
defensive line, they don't have much depth on their defense, right,
and we've seen now history of Alex Gringe defenses. They
had talent Oklahoma, two guys they weren't just like an
untalented bunch there.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
No one wants to think about that in LA. No
one wants to look at you. I know, so do you.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I can't believe that Lincoln Riley teams give up points.
They can't believe it out here.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I think I saw the number that give up like
forty points, like eighteen times. And since it's ridiculous, do
you see USC being any better on defense? I think
they play much tougher schedule. I think turnovers. You're not
going to force twenty seven turnovers. Again, I am not
as high on USC winning the conference as others might be.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Well, USC's turnover thing masked an issue that really caught
up later in the year. Right, they forced dtr into
three interceptions. Otherwise they were losing that UCLA game. Yes,
and obviously we saw what Utah did to him twice.
Tulane scored at Will. I mean at will, I mean
(32:40):
I did the Colorado game. Colorado ran the ball well,
I mean he did. It's interesting because there's something about
offensive coaches, there's something about these very special offensive coaches
that the other side of the ball gets left out there. Now,
(33:00):
what happened in se last year is hard to imagine.
I mean, I do know how quickly that team was
slapped together, and I think the real miracle, like you said,
is the twenty seven turnovers, the offense they put together
and the success they had. You juxtaposed that with one
of the most embarrassing moments in USC football history. I mean,
(33:22):
this is USC football, and they could barely field a
team against Cal that last game with the interim coach
and all that, and that was really ugly. Guys didn't
want to play. People were disgruntled, and that should not
ever happen fielding a team in a USC uniform, but
(33:44):
it did. And privately, Lincoln Riley does cite that. He says,
you know, to USC people, he says, you know, you
saw what we were up against, and you saw what
we've done.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Now watch us build it.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
With the lack of depth and the way they leave
the offense, the way the offense leaves the defense out there, Jeff,
it's hard not to feel the same. But it's hard
to imagine them being worse defensively too. I mean, you
would expect them to be a little bit better, since
it's a point of emphasis, But you know, with the
transfer portal and the way things go, there's no way
(34:19):
to know unless we start playing right. So I can't
wait to see how they've addressed it. And maybe if
they run the ball a little more, try to keep
Caleb on the field a little longer, take some air
out of the ball in situations to help the defense out.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
We'll see how that plays out.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Well. There you have it. That's the old p Thanks
you guys op on Twitter, Petro Papa Diecaz. You could
catch them on The Petros and Money Show and a
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We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna wrap
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(34:59):
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Speaker 4 (36:31):
All right?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
I know, LeVar, you are out the door because you've
got no shoes and you need to make it home quickly.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I forget my shoes. Come on, y'all gotta help me
out there. You are not in on the bathroom on
the publica. I can't go to the restroom. Kay, do it? Guys?
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Speaker 4 (36:55):
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