July 13, 2023 • 47 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar and Geoff celebrate the Jets being selected for HBO’s Hard Knocks. Saquon Barkley threatens a hold out if the Giants don’t offer him close to market setting money and Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer sheds insight on the outing of Dan Snyder and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the fast of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Aarings and Rady Winn and Jonas
Knox on Fox Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning, Jeff, How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am doing fantastic. I know we talked to ear
in the week about sleep right. Yeah, you're more of
a napper. And I went to bed so early last night.
I am refreshed. I got a full eight and a
half hours last night.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Sound refresh man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, dude, I got like I went to bed like
like forty five nine. I was like, I'm going to bed.
I was like, I put I put my daughter to bed.
I'm like, unit, honey, I'm mommy and daddy. We are going.
We're out. We're out cold out And uh I slepped
a lot. I'm like pumped. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was great, like lightweight hypernation.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Huh dude, I can sleep, man, like my son can
like that. We can. We're a sleeping family. We can.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are you a snore?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Uh? Yeah, I mean I'm big and fat, Like.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, you want to take a sniff before you after
that one?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Only on my when I store on my back back,
I have that seat pap so you know it helps.
But I barely qualify for the seat pap. I was
like one point enough to qualify, So it's not My
sleep at me is not terrible, but you know, for
the for the marror, it's best that I wear my
mask at night. You know.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Good for you, Yeah, good, good for you being considerate
of her versus you just being safety, you know safe.
She's just like but.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Also too like a little a little selfish. I don't
want to be like punched every night or kicked to
stop snoring either, So I'd rather just sleep to night
without having my spouse pushed me in the back every
time I snore.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you ever woke up with your head sore from
getting hit by every once in a while will I
don't know, but every once in a while I'll wake
up with my head sore, and I'll be like, why
do I have a pain on my head like that?
Like man, it feels kind of weird. Did I kind
of start thinking about like man, did she like pop
me upside the head to like stop me from like snoring?
(01:59):
But it felt like when I when I get into
like snore mode, I wake myself.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Up like that the moment. It's why it's bad for you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The moment, the moment i'd like get a like a
really hard snore, like I can hear it in my
sleep and it wakes me up, Like, oh no, no, no,
I ain't with them. I'm not with that whole crazy
snoring type deal, like the noise of it, and every
once in a while, like I will snore. I'm not
a snore, not a big snorer, but when I do,
(02:30):
you know, it happens like I wake myself up. But
speaking of not snoring or snoring, I don't know if
this is a snoozer or if this is a winner
of a discussion. But the Jets have been selected for
hpo's Hard Knocks. I find them to be the most
interesting team to be selected to do the show this year.
(02:55):
It's interesting and in June, I want to say earlier
late June. I'm not sure Lee was it early or
late June. Roberts Sala had something to say. This was
early June, first week of June, June ninth. Okay, there
you go. Here's what Robert Salah had to say about
being on Hard Knocks. I hadn't gotten word or anything
like that. I know. For I know there's several teams
(03:16):
that would love for hard Knocks to be in their building.
We're just not one of them. The very dry humor,
very dry humor indeed, but nonetheless got his point across
that he did not want any parts of being on
heart Knocks. Now, my first inclination connected to why he
(03:39):
wouldn't want to be on heart knocks is everyone is
placing a bull's eye on the New York Jets for
the simple fact that they have Aaron Rodgers. They have
Aaron Rodgers, and this is a team personnel wise that
is a good looking team. It's a vulnerable division, and
(04:00):
a lot of people are basically saying that the New
York Jets should be a team that's in the running.
I would assume for a coach, you might want to
pull your hair out if you had some, if you
were Robert Salah, if you had to expose any aspects
of what it is that you guys have going on
(04:20):
in that building, because quite frankly, while we know that
this is a team that personnel wise has upgraded and
is better, I don't know that I would want people
to see the inner workings of what we're doing because
we haven't become a winner yet, and that could be concerning,
that could be distracting having those cameras around, it could
(04:43):
be a tad bit intrusive. There's just a lot of
emotions as a coach. I'm sure that Robert Salah is
feeling about doing Hard Knocks this year.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Jeff So, I love so much that they this before
it even happened, like, it's this excellent, it's this it's
great for the base of the show to be the
team that we're doing. Hates the word in the building, okay,
because the show can kind of go many different ways.
It's got I like watching all this content.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I don't know why. Maybe because I'm not in the
locker anymore. I'm not playing anymore. But I just love
any of these shows, right, And at some point today
I hope we get to the Quarterback Show on Netflix.
It's fantastic. I watched I watched the Hard Knocks. I
watch all of it. Okay. Now, Hard Knocks obviously was
far better when they kind of gave us more access
to to players being released, which is the hardest part
(05:36):
of the show. But at least we got to see
some of that, right and some of the some of
the meetings the coaches had and scouts had, so they've
cut back on that, and so there's been To me,
it's it's missing some sort of drama each year. Right now.
The lines were good last year because Dan Campbell, He's
just a personality, right, They wanted they wanted it there.
The Jets don't want this there. So it's gonna go
(05:57):
one of two ways. It's either gonna be a terrible
show because they're just gonna avoid everything and everything out,
or what I think it's gonna be. It's fantastic because
of Aaron Rodgers and because of everything they're trying to
build there with the team, with the cameras there and
the pressure of year one. But here's the deal man,
y'all signed a quarterback who likes to make news, right,
(06:23):
who likes to be opinionated. Those are things are totally fine.
I've no problem with Aaron Rodgers saying whatever he wants
to say. But they captures the attention of TV executives
deciding whether or not they're going to put a team
on Hard Knocks. Oh guess what, we have a team
with Aaron Rodgers, who a new team who we might
get like one quote episode talk about something that people
(06:45):
think he's crazy about great, sign him up. He's gonna
talk about ayahuasca and mushrooms in an episode. Awesome, talk
about this and that. Awesome, like you know what I mean,
like LaVar, like they they didn't do it to themselves
because they wanted in Rodgers. But you, of course they
were gonna choose you guys because of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean, you had the Washington Commanders, which we'll talk
about them as well at some point. Uh there, I
mean that might have been the only other interesting team
that was on the list was was Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I just we'll talk about the other Washington stories now,
but just for the team itself, they're not if your
quarterback is not somewhat interesting, it's not that it's not interesting,
tough and Washington's court situation unless unless it's it's more
of a focus on on Eric b Enemy, which I
(07:39):
think would be great to highlight, right sure, or you
know Ron Rivera, we know who Ron Rivera is and
you can and you could frame this season if hard
knocks to do it that way is like, you know,
this is a makeer break for Ron Rivera, which is
I think it totally is a make or break for him. Yeah,
those are great, but I don't know, Washington May didn't
feel like the best option. The Jets were the only option.
I think option. I mean, let's be all Jets Jets,
(08:02):
like absolutely, you're in the New York market, did you
didn't want this? And again the teams have saying what
gets aired and what doesn't get aired, so you know
we're not gonna maybe get as much as we can.
But again, they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers saying something nuts
every episode. It's all the matter is. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers goes viral when he was doing I don't know
if he still does McAfee. You know, he would say
(08:23):
one thing a week during the season and he'd be like,
what is this guy talking about? Or you'd be like, yeah,
heck yeah, Aaron, you said the thing that no one
else can say, Like, you know, there was always something viral,
you know, for for him to put out there, and
HBO is hoping that's what happens with Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I just wonder if I'm Robert sala, like, I've never
done Hard Knocks, but would you would you think that
the biggest trepidation for a coach is a player paints
themselves in the wrong light or what I mean, what
(09:01):
why such a hard line stance against doing a show
that the NFL requires a team to do during the
course of the year. What I mean, why does a
coach take this type of stance. Why not just go
with it?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, a couple of things. One is, you know, we
talked about this word distraction, right, A distraction in the
locker room. Yeah, and that's code for basically anything out
of the ordinary. It does matter what it is, right,
because you're you know, there's a routine in a locker room,
(09:40):
in a building, there's a schedule, there's a rhythm and flow,
and anything outside of of the players and coaches focusing
on that schedule, on that rhythm and flow is considered distraction, right.
And with cameras now in the locker room, with cameras
in the meeting room, with having to do you know,
those those those sit downs right with HBO, you know,
(10:03):
having to discuss life, having a film outside the facility,
like all those things to coaches, especially younger head coaches,
are distractions, right for most Obviously Dan Campbell didn't care
last year, but I think for roberts All, who's fighting
for a playoff Berth this year because they don't have one.
(10:24):
He's not gonna be a coach next season. He's fighting
for his job this year, right, and I think he've
used anything outside of helping his team get to that
spot is a distraction something that they do not want.
I don't think it's going to be about, you know,
a player of paintings on the bad light, unless it's
Rogers again. Because here's what happens our you know this.
I'm not telling you you don't know, but you know,
(10:45):
Aaron Rodgers says something, you know, HBO. It comes out
on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, they get a cup of Aaron
Rodgers saying something ridiculous and then gets asked about that
on Wednesday Robert Salad does Aaron Rodgers does? The next
seven team players who go to the podium after practice,
That's what That's what coaches don't want that that's a
distraction to them. Might not be to me and you
(11:06):
and anyone listening, and maybe some players that building don't
even care. But that's what coaches want to avoid the
distraction of, you know, of you know, the the cameras
being around, thinking having players everything think about the cameras
being around, and then obviously the players, you know, saying
something that gets caught on a hot mic, gets caught
doing this and that, and they have to extend explain
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themselves going forward, and so coaches don't want they want
to avoid all of that as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's the one team that
I said to myself, I'm going to watch Hard Knocks
if if they're on. So they won, because I think
that that's one of those those teams with with a
player polarizing players such as Aaron Rodgers, you gotta growing.
You got a growing star study group on that team
(11:57):
as well. I mean, I think Sas Gardner will most
likely be entertaining as well. There'd be some entertaining characters
that develop on this show. So I'm pretty excited to
actually watch Hard Knocks. I wasn't going to watch, and
I haven't watched Hard Knocks, but I will give it
a chance, just because they chose the team to me
that seems to be most interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app Jeff.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The value of the running back position has been a
large conversation a point of debate this off season with
several big name running backs with well kind of an
in limbo type of scenario that's at play for them
(12:54):
right now, and one of those those running backs being
Saquon Barkley. The time is running out for the franchise
tag to be signed. It looks as though he's taking
a hard line stance on wanting a long term contract
that is fair and I guess the proper compensation that
(13:16):
he's deserving of, and it doesn't look as though New
York agrees with what he's requesting. How do you see
this ending? Is this? Is this a holdout scenario? And
I mean if this is a holdout for for Saquon,
what is this? What does this mean for him? What
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does this mean for the running backs position?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So, I, like every former player roots for you know,
each of us set the most money we can ever
make in a career, right, That's what we all root for.
It's you know, it's a short career, and you hope
that everyone makes as much money as they can, right
And The Giants offered Saquon sixteen million a year, which
I think is too much anyways, and he turned that
(14:01):
down because he Barkley wanted sixteen million a year. The
Giants off for thirteen. And that's where're at the stalemate
right now. So they put the franchise tag on him,
and they pulled the offer that they had, which they
told him they would do if he didn't accept, and
they franchise tagged him. The unfortunate part about the running
back position is their individual value is not as high
(14:24):
as other positions. The running game is still important, but
you can have success without paying that running back all
that money. Right for example, a couple examples. Right last year,
when Christian McCaffrey left the Carolina Panthers, what happened to
the run game? Do you remember last year? Yeah? It
got better, It got better. They were better as a
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team running the football where Kristram McCaffrey was gone. They
rushed for two hundred and fifty yards in Week sixteen.
They rushed for assuming sorry, I take that back, rushed
for three hundred and twenty yards at Week sixteen. Oh wow,
two hundred and twenty three yards in Week fourteen, two
hundred and thirty two yards in Week ten one seventy
(15:08):
three and one sixty nine. Like they rushed for a
lot of yards in a game the last game of
season one seventy one without Christian McCaffrey in the lineup.
We have seen the Chiefs who had a first you know,
they had a first round running back who got hurt,
really hadn't contributed as much as he is everyone thought
he would have do. Anyways, they rolled a seventh round
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running back. The offense is just fine. There's so many
examples of offenses being just as good or better without
that first round running back or the running back you're
paying a lot of money to. I would argue that
right now, only one running back in the NFL who's
paid on that second contract has really been worth the
money to help their team win. Maybe maybe let's go
one and a half. You know, Derek Henry's been been excellent,
(15:53):
but but you know, the Devin Tennessee's gone backwards, right
and as at his fault, I don't know, but you know,
since they sign him and Ryan Tannehill, they had one
good year and they've slid sort of backwards ever since.
So it wasn't worth paying Henry all that money. Sure, maybe,
but they didn't win with the thought that.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Now the way they're looking, it doesn't seem like it
would have been worth it to pay anyone.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The other one is Tritian McCaffrey, who's doing good things
at a Francisco. Right, But again, does he make that
offense any better? Or is that quarterback situation make the offense?
Much like if you take McCaffrey out put anyone else,
is the offense sort of the same? I would agree yes,
if you put obviously a quarterback in there, that unlocks
everyone else being better? Right, So the values not so
(16:35):
I get teams saying, look, man, they love Saquon Barkley
as a person. It's a great guy, but look, we're
just not gonna pay you as much money if you're Barkley.
Now you can threat to sit out. I mean, you know,
the leverage and a lot of situations is on the
is on the football team if you do sit out, right,
like it's they have the leverage because if you don't,
if you don't play, you don't get paid, right, that's
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the hard part about sitting out. And is he gonna
do it all season? I mean the giants don't care, Oh,
you missed two weeks of training camp whatever, and now
LeVar two. Remember when guys used to miss training camp
for holdouts, NFL teams would often rescind the fine when
they showed back up. You can't do that anymore the CBA,
(17:19):
the new CBA. If you get fined, you get fined.
So you're now you're gonna get fined millions of dollars
for missing a training camp on top of not possibly
making money during the season. If you sit out, I mean,
Le'Veon Bell never recovered. He never made that fourteen million
dollars back.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So if I was Saquan, I I love the hardline
stands right, I mean all great things right now, But
to me, you got to come up and you got
to play right like you You can't forego a season
of thirteen. What's the franchise tag guy for running backs?
You can't forego you know the it's it's ten point
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ten point women. You can't four go that money this season.
I do think he shows up eventually, because I think
he's smarter than maybe you know his stance right now,
but I get his anger. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah,
that you should get paid more. Your position should be
more valued. But the Giants this year, LeVar or what
will be make or break on Daniel Jones improvement?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Absolutely, that's it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Not on whether Saquon's there or not. Unfortunately, sorry Saquon.
It's gonna be on whether Daniel Jones is better not
better hand the ball off to you, not better throwing
screen passes to you, better off as an overall quarterback
in the National Football League because right now you could
your division and Daniel Jones at best is third best
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quarterback in your division, which is not good, not a
good place to be in. Right The third best quarterback
doesn't win the division often so he can play over
his skis improve. So he threw for only fifteen touchdowns
last season, Like he threw I know he ran for
I get the number here he ran. He ran for
some as well. He ran for seven. That's twenty two
touchdowns at your quarterback position. That's all you get it done, right,
(19:06):
Like you need more from you need more production from Jones.
They improve the wide receiving group, they proved off its line.
We should we should see better. But the Giants are
gonna win or lose based off of jones improvement, not
whether Barclays are the building or not.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
See I'm I'm on the I'm on the fence about
it a little bit. I actually think the running back
for quarterbacks like Daniel Jones are imperative to their their success.
I think we're going to find a lot about a lot.
We're going to find out a lot about Kirk Cousins
this season without having Dalvin Cook. I I'm not certain
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why the why the the position has been devalued so much,
but I will say when I think about what football
has always represented, football has always represented establishing yourselves up front,
which it's still that's still exists, Establishing the front, whether
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the offensive front can can impose their will upon the
defensive front, or vice versa. That has always been. If
anyone wants to understand where football is won and lost,
it's in the trenches. And a part of that conversation
is while you're establishing that you're softening the belly by
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running the ball. Yes, it's always been a necessary evil
to what football represents, and at one point in time,
that's really all there really was was run the ball,
you know, And that mentality that philosophy has has slowly.
(20:48):
I don't want to say deteriorate it, but it is eroded.
This is a past first league. You would have people
would have gotten physically ill, possibly even vomited if you
said in connection and relation to football that it's a
pass first game. It's a pass first sport. But it
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is now it is, and that's not that's It doesn't
seem like it's a trend that's going to change and
go back, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But it's interesting because it is a pass first sport. However,
the two best offensive lines play in the Super Bowl
last year, right, like you have to pass, but then
when you come the postseason, it's like, wow, we kind
of want to run the ball a little bit. Like
because here's the thing, guys, I'm a big believer in
analytics in football, not everything. I think some of it's
(21:42):
at a little too over overdone for the average fan.
But I get the point of it and I use
it in my work. But you cannot You cannot value
there's no value to put on. As you mentioned, it's
the physical part of the game that comes from beating
someone up in the trenches. There's no value puts that.
(22:04):
You were on the oppositide of me. Right, you played linebacker,
I played offensive line. There's nothing that you can You
can't put a number on the fourth quarter eyes and
offensive linemen have beat on you all game, and now
it's time to win the game, and I get to
do it again and again and again. And that feeling
that the defender has of helplessness, We've all seen it.
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It goes the other way around too, right when a
defensive lineman, When a defensive lineman is the other way right,
when they're beating us up right, But there's a physical
part to that that game where you can't measure that,
and it has to start in the offensive defensive line,
and that that is in essence what wins in the postseason, right,
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is being able to establish that toughness. Look at the
Eagles last year, right, the best office on the football,
no mistake, different Super Bowl Chiefs, offensive line one of
the best in football, and the post isn't played incredibly well.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And they were using three running backs.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
There's no surprise that these physical teams are in the postseason.
So you know, I think that's still a big part
of the game, being able to push people around, even
though the running back itself, that position might not be
as valued. There is a value in being a physical,
physical team in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
If the value is at ten million for the franchise
tag and the offer was for thirteen million and he
wanted sixteen million, I mean, does that sixteen million qualify
as being a fair ask, like in your assessment and
your assumption or you feel as though I think I
(23:47):
did hear you say that that was too much? What
qualifies if it's too much or if it's the right ask.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I'm going to pull up the running back contracts right now,
but I think that I think the Giants are like, yeah,
we're just not paying you like as a top as
a top guy. Christian McCaffrey makes sixteen million dollars a year,
so he's the highest the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So's that's where that came from. So Saquon Barkley wants
to be paid like Christian mccas.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Derek Henry is at twelve, Nick Chubb's at twelve, Joe
Mixon is at twelve. So like, I think the Giants
are like, yeah, we'll pay you slightly more of those guys,
you know, right, but we're not going to go up
where where caffrey is. Yeah, So that's where that number
came from. So that's where I think that giants and
take one or at odds. Right, of course you're your
(24:35):
agent's gonna and look, I have no problem with Saquon's stance,
and this is what the acceptable stances.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
The thing about it, too, is that he has been
He was healthy his first year, he's not healthy the
next two years, and now he was healthy in last year.
I think there's maybe concerned that position about health as well.
That's a be those guys get beat up and running
back man, y'all, y'all put all, y'all hit them. There
are times when I was playing LeVar where I'd be
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blocking and I would hear the running back get hit
and I think to myself, like that guy's dead.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Like he thought that at times too.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Got like the guy hit so hard, there's no way
that he's getting up. And it's it's a it's a
position where you just take a physical pounding by the opposition,
and there's a shelf life with with backs that I
think teams are afraid of. And if you pay the quarterback,
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pay the running book, all that money there's a concern
that he can't stay healthy and now we're out of money.
You know, you look at the top of this list.
For the most part, these courts, these guys have to healthy.
We know Derek Henry's had some issues, but Alvin Kimara,
you know, might be suspended for part of the season.
You know, I don't think that's an issue for the
Saints as far as salary. They won't pay him during
(25:52):
that time, but you know, making sure these guys are
are are ready to go. Here's also an issue with
with with paying these guys. You ready. So McCaffrey was
a new addition obviously to the Niners this year. They
won what one playoff game? This should be two playoff games?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Alvin Kamara no playoff games, Derrick Henry no playoffs last year,
Nick Chubb no playoffs last year. Joe Mixon Bengals, correct playoffs,
Aaron Jones zero playoff wins. Tony Pollard Right, did the
Cowboys win a playoff game last year?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Last year?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Josh Jacobs No. Sikhon Barkley, Yes, they won a playoff game.
James Connor is like next up here? No, Miles Sanders Yes.
With the Eagles to it's part of the success. Austin Eckler,
no playoff game, no playoff win last year, Dan Montgomery
no playoffs last year. See him getting at like, it's
(26:42):
it's a again, dude. I block for Jamal Charles, Adrian Peterson.
Who'd be in the Hall of Fame. Jamal Charles, I
think if play would have played three or four more years,
would have been in the Hall of Fame. Jonathan Stewart
and Dangel Williams incredible running backs, guys that led the
league in rushing, almost had the rushing record. Like great guys,
They've made my career. But sitting in this chair now,
(27:04):
it's like, yeah, I get why teams are like, yeah,
we're just not giving you that money.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, the position has continued to evolve. Sixteen million to
match McCaffrey does seem a little bit ambitious. I hope
he doesn't hold out. Jeff I hope that he doesn't
(27:30):
sit out because he's gone through so much to be
able to get back to having that amazing season.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
That he had.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I will say I do not think that Daniel Jones
is able to have a successful year if he doesn't
have that production that came from Saquon Barkley's legs. If
I'm a betting man and I'm gambling on myself, and
(27:59):
I'm saying, Daniel Jones, the correlation of success has come
directly through my production. The New York Giants, I'm saying
to myself. The New York Giants know this, and I'm
hoping that they come back with a number. Maybe it's
not sixteen million. Nobody's going to get to DeShawn Jackson
(28:21):
or Deshaun Watson's contract as a quarterback. I mean, not
anytime soon. I would think, no matter how good you are.
So if I can get somewhere near that as a quarterback,
if I'm thinking as a running back in this moment,
if I can get somewhere near where McCaffrey is, and
like you said above, the other guys like Henry and
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those other guys, then then I should look at that
as that's a win. And hopefully they you know, I
know they rescind it the offer, but maybe they put
the offer back on the table. You know, maybe they
put the offer back on the table and they put
a couple more in stays or a couple more dollars
in there where you can make him feel like he
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gotta win and and ultimately the franchise has gotta win
because I just think it throws off the equilibrium of
this team if if they don't have this, you know,
if they don't have Saquon on the on the roster.
To me, that just think it's imperative to have them.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You could never have enough good players on the roster, right,
So if he's not there, do I think the run
game is gonna be terribly affected overall in the season
if he's not there the whole year? Maybe, maybe not,
Maybe it is. I mean, but again, Saquan is an
incredible talent, and you could never have enough incredible talented
players on your football team. You just can't. So did
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we miss him when it changed their success of the season,
like wins and losses wise? I don't know. Probably not,
but just because I think that they're so related that
so Elina Daniel Jones being being the guy you know that,
I don't think it matters terribly much. But you can
never have enough good players.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
On your team. Well, we're going to find I mean,
if he's there, we won't find out. But if he
isn't there, we certainly will find out. If Daniel Jones
and Company can carry the load.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
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Speaker 2 (30:48):
Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Now, without further ado,
let's bring in senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist, lead
content It's strategist, lead content strategist at the MQB, Albert Breer.
How are you feeling, my guy? Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I appreciate that introduction
of bar did you like that.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Can you tell me what the lead content strategist means?
What what do you do in that that position?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I guess what kind of come up with ideas?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Okay, that's that's the short of it. Yeah, right, all right, wonderful.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm available if you need me.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
By the way, you know, well if you want to
do a brainstorming sessions or whatever you may be going,
want come out.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
There any anytime you like to hear my my thoughts
on on content strategies. You know, I would love to
put that in front of you.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Maybe we'll get We'll get that on the calendar, LeVar,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, I did that on national radio. People. Hey, So
thinking about content and strategy, it seems as though there's
a pot possibility that Dan Snyder is doing content and
strategy to maybe, I don't know, sabotage this this this
(32:12):
sale of the team. I mean, is it more about
getting out of the way of all of the legal
issues that he may be facing and leveraging the sale
of the team, Like basically, I'm not in this situation
without that. So is that is that what's going on?
Or is this he doesn't want to sell the team.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think this isn't like I
don't think this is just like he doesn't want to
sell the team. I think he said he wants to
clean break. I mean, I think he knows, you know,
what he's going to open himself up to the minute
he walks away, and what else might come out the
minute he walks away, and what might be in that
report that the commissioner has been promising us forever, and
(32:56):
what it might mean for his future, you know, in business,
and you know I I can tell you that, like,
no one should be shocked. And I don't think anybody
inside the league office or you know, with any of
the teams is surprised that there would be a bomb
that would drop and that this wouldn't happen in a
clean way at the very end. And remember we're one
(33:18):
week away from that special league meeting in Minneapolis where
all the owners are going to approve the sale of
the team to Josh Harris. So I don't know, of
our It just feels to me like the timing of
this is designed to force the NFL's hand, you know,
when they're right at the wire, and you know, everybody
(33:39):
in Washington's waiting for this to be done and just
wants it to be done. And you know, the everybody
new organization wants to move on. You know, like this
is a way of of of Dan Snyder leveraging a
few last things that he wants with the threat that
you know, he could blow up the timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Of all this.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
So when the NBA wanted one of Donald Sterling out
as Clipper's owner, it happened immediately right he was gone.
That was the end of it. Why can't the NFL
do the same with Daniel Snyder? Buddy, You're out of here.
There's no terms, You're just gone. Like I don't want
to hear anymore be gone. I mean, he's already supposedly
(34:20):
leaked out a bunch of stories that it didn't matter
in the end. Like why can't they just tell him
like to be gone, thank you for your service for
twenty years, talk to you later.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Because I would say the easiest way to answer that
question is Jeff, because they all have turned under their
fingernails and they don't want to set the present of
voting each other out, and in these sorts of situations,
they would rather not have that lever Ever, be pulled,
because once that lever gets pulled, and once the public
(34:52):
outcry to get somebody out pushes somebody out, then those
guys lose some level of control.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
And I'm not saying that every other owner has done
stuff as dad as Daniel Snyder, you know, has done
the egregious things that Danielle Snyder's done. But there are
a lot of them that have, i mean, some sketchy
stuff in their past and some stuff that if it
came to light probably wouldn't look real good. And you know,
I think the feeling is that once you vote one
(35:21):
guy out, well, the next time any owner does anything wrong,
there's gonna be a public outcry to pull the Snyder lever.
So you know, if they can push Jerry Richardson out,
they can push Dan Snyder out and make them leave
on their own, well, then you know, they can kind
of keep that record of never having voted anybody out,
and then anytime somebody calls for them to pull that
(35:43):
lever on someone else, they can say, well, that's just
not something we do.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
You know what's interesting is what's good for the goose
is good for the gander. You have Sakwon Barkley holding out,
has a scientist his franchise tag Dan Snyder's holding out
and he's waiting for the contract that he wants. Is
(36:11):
he's kind of in the same exact situation as Saquon
Barkley as assumed to be former owner. I asked this question,
and listen, I'll ask this about Saquon as well, but
I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on Dan.
What happens if Dan Snyder doesn't get the deal that
(36:31):
he wants because they made very well not I don't
know that they can give him what it is that
he's looking for with this clean break. What happens if
he doesn't get this done, if he doesn't get the
contract he wants from the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
If he doesn't get the if he doesn't get what
he wants from the NFL, he could go kicking and screaming,
you know, and he could. Now I think we all
think that like this thing will get worked out over time.
They're just too far down the line for it not
to happen. But you know, could he screw up you know,
(37:13):
the plan to vote him through on July twentieth. Yeah,
I mean there's a reason why var when they first
went to the owners and said, like, all right, we're
at the goal line now. They gave the owners two dates,
and this is the first of those dates, so it
was July twentieth and August Day. Put those two dates aside.
Those are the dates that we're going to set aside
for a special league meeting to vote the new owner
(37:36):
of the Commanders, Josh Harris through. So, you know, I
think what he could do is he could complicate this
and he could delay the sale, and I mean, ultimately,
I guess if he really wanted to push it, he
could force them to force him out. I don't think
it's going to come to that, you know, with the
(37:57):
amount of money on the line and everything else that
everybody's gone through, all the hoops that everybody's jumped through
get to this point, I don't think we're going to
see a scenario now where they got to vote him out.
But like, he could certainly make this a whole lot
more difficult on them here over the next few weeks,
And you know, I think the first step would be
(38:19):
you're putting them in a position where they've got to
delay that vote, which again sept for one week some
day in Minneapolis, who's more likely.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
To get their Contractuon Barkley or Dan Snyder.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I would say, Squon is uh okay, you know what,
you know, like I always I mean, I mean my
nineteenth year covering the league and so I've you know,
I've covered dozens of these franchise tag situations, and you know,
I think more often than not, they get ugly in
the days leading up to the deadline, because what happens
(38:54):
is a guy gets tagged in March, he's not happy
about it. Then there's some negotiations. In a lot of case,
does those negotiations go nowhere? And then you know, the
teams goes about its business free agency, the drafts, and
you know, then they go into the spring and there's
no urgency to get anything done because budgets and the
cap is set for the year, and so you know,
(39:16):
everybody's sort of relying on this deadline in the middle
of July to get the last pieces of a contract done.
And you know, I think that that's you know a
lot of times when they come back to the table,
it's like, well, we're not any further than we were
in March, and people were upset about that. Well that's
the consecutive. He was sitting on their hands for four months,
(39:38):
you know, and waiting for the deadline to come. And
so you know, in a lot of cases, these things
do get done at the wire. And I do think
there's a deal to be done there. And I mean,
if what Mike Florio reported yesterday is correct, and you know,
I've heard similar things where you know, they offered him
thirteen million a year, he wants sixteen million a year,
(40:00):
I do think there's you know, I don't think either
those positions are ridiculous, nor are they that far apart.
And you know, ultimately, you know, I think the Giants
do genuinely want to reward one of their best players
and one of the guys that was most instrumental to
them turning things around last year. On the flip side,
if you're Saquon Barkley and you've been through the injuries
(40:20):
that you've been through the last few years, and you're
a running back and you see what running backs got
on the market last year or earlier in the year,
you know where the top guy in the market, Miles Sanders,
who was an next teammate yours, got six million dollars
a year. I mean, I I just I think in
the end, you know, if you're Saquon five years into
(40:40):
the league, you know you're going to have to take
as much as you possibly can and just call it
a day. You know, like push this to the very end,
be a tough negotiator, make sure your agent has, you know,
his or her ducks in a row. But in the end,
like if you're Saquon Barkley and you know you look
at his position, his injury history, his age, I think
(41:04):
you you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't
collect every dollar that you possibly could at this point,
because you don't know what liveshead. So I do think
ultimately the motivation of both sides and how close they've
been together will prevail and they'll get a deal done.
But you know, again, like because of the circumstances of
the way the franchise tag works, these things do often
(41:24):
get ugly in the days leading up to the deadline.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The New York Jets were selected for hard knocks against
their wishes. But you know you signed Aaron is the
right word?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
How how do they go about managing the cameras? And
they're building uh for a month knowing that this is
something they do not want.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
What's the what's the saying, Jeff, is that you'd rather
have a volunteer than hostage.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yes, well, the NFL. The NFL's got a hostage right now.
So I think we've all seen this before, you know,
like where you know a team or you know, coaching
staff or players aren't on board with the idea of it,
and so I would think things will be a little
(42:09):
uncomfortable to be too. I mean, just from like a
TV production standpoint two. You guys realize, like the Lions
last year, they announced that at the end of March, right, So,
like NFL Films had done all of this work through
April and May and June to get b roll and
do background work. And now you know, Films is going
(42:30):
to be entering into that facility and they're going to
need to like do a couple of months worth of
work in a couple of weeks, you know, So it's
gonna need to be intensive over the next couple of weeks.
So then put out a good product at the beginning
of August for that first episode, and you know, I like,
look like I love the films people, you know, I
was obviously an NFL network for six years. They're with
(42:51):
LeVar for a little while, and the films people do
fantastic work, and I think most coaches and players once
the actual people who are doing the work on the ground,
wind up liking those people, and so I think that
that gets you part of the way there. But I
do think that the manner that this was handled and
the fact that they had to force someone to do
it is going to affect the product, you know, And yeah,
(43:16):
I'm gonna be really interested to see how, you know,
Robert Sala and Aaron Rodgers and Joe Douglas and all
the powers that be in that organization handle it. I
think Woody Johnson will like the attention, you know. I
think he'll like the spotlight being on the Jets. But
you know, I think the level of cooperation that they're
going to get and how it affects the product is
(43:37):
going to be a really interesting thing to watch because
I think it could affect the way these things are
handled in the future. I believe this is the first
time they've actually had to force someone to do it too,
which is going to be an interesting precedent to follow.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Talking with Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies
at m lmqb AB. I know you you chimed in
on the Northwestern saga situation. I think it was handled poorly,
and I think it even even though I find that
(44:12):
the head coach should be culpable of this situation, I
still think that the school handled this in a way
that gives Pat Fitzgerald a leg to stand on in
the legal legal courts or in assist the legal system,
so to speak. What what what was your takeaway on
how things unfolded at Northwestern?
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Well, my first, my first takeaway was we should all
get in the crisis communications because that seems to be
the easiest job in America. Because I don't know, like
how that was handled, right, Like, is all these people do?
Tell them to just release it at five o'clock on
a Friday. I mean you or I could do that,
right of course. I mean like that, I mean like
that seems to be the only thing that like the
(44:57):
only thing that was done to manage this at all.
I mean, I you know, I just I think from
it being a two week suspension to it happening, you know,
being enforced, when it's being enforced in the middle of
the summer to thinking that like this wasn't going to
lead to a second blow being thrown by the bye
(45:17):
bye by the accuser, you know, like this, that this
was going to be you know, just kind of you know, okay.
To be swept unto the rug in the handling of
it was god awful. And I you know, I got
to tell you, like I the NFL people I've dealt
with over the years that you know, no fits and
I don't know him personally, but and then the people
who played for him, you know, they all speak very,
(45:39):
very highly of him. So I'm not condoning anything that
happened in that building. I just think, you know, when
you're talking about a guy guy's career and all he's
accomplished in the place in the university, for it to
be handled like this is really really, I mean excusable,
and like it feels to me like other people should
(46:00):
lose their jobs. Here is to go from two weeks
again without pay in the middle of the summer and
news dump it to firing the winningst coach in the
history of your program and the guy who was an
All American player for you in three days time, either
says your investigation really sucked because he didn't know any
(46:22):
of it, or you're just reacting to public pressure. It's
one or the other. That's it, you know what I mean. Like,
and that tells me that Northwestern University, which is obviously
one of the best universities in the United States of America,
has a really really weak administration, which is a pretty
eye opening thing, I think for all of us.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I thought it was pretty eye opening. And I kind
of totally agree with the sentiments that that you gave ab.
It's Albert Breer, senior NFL writer. Well, reporter, you are
a writer too, you do, right, Yeah, that's pretty dope, man,
lead contents. I was just at the m mqb Uh,
we appreciate you joining us, my guy. And until next week,
(47:06):
huh are you back in the saddle?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yeah, you're getting the Dame fand back together next.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Week, right, That's why I mean, that's what I hear.
That's the that's the rumor out there on the streets
is that everybody's going to be back, uh next week.
But you know, we'll wait to see, you know, Lisa,
we have to wait to see.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
So football season really, I mean, from for a lot
of us. You know, you guys know this, but summer's
about to be over for for a lot of US,
football season is basically here.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Morning, Jeff, How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am doing fantastic. I know we talked to ear
in the week about sleep right. Yeah, you're more of
a napper. And I went to bed so early last night.
I am refreshed. I got a full eight and a
half hours last night.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Sound refresh man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, dude, I got like I went to bed like
like forty five nine. I was like, I'm going to bed.
I was like, I put I put my daughter to bed.
I'm like, unit, honey, I'm mommy and daddy. We are going.
We're out. We're out cold out And uh I slepped
a lot. I'm like pumped. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It was great, like lightweight hypernation.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Huh dude, I can sleep, man, like my son can
like that. We can. We're a sleeping family. We can.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Are you a snore?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Uh? Yeah, I mean I'm big and fat, Like.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, you want to take a sniff before you after
that one?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Only on my when I store on my back back,
I have that seat pap so you know it helps.
But I barely qualify for the seat pap. I was
like one point enough to qualify, So it's not My
sleep at me is not terrible, but you know, for
the for the marror, it's best that I wear my
mask at night. You know.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Good for you, Yeah, good, good for you being considerate
of her versus you just being safety, you know safe.
She's just like but.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Also too like a little a little selfish. I don't
want to be like punched every night or kicked to
stop snoring either, So I'd rather just sleep to night
without having my spouse pushed me in the back every
time I snore.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Have you ever woke up with your head sore from
getting hit by every once in a while will I
don't know, but every once in a while I'll wake
up with my head sore, and I'll be like, why
do I have a pain on my head like that?
Like man, it feels kind of weird. Did I kind
of start thinking about like man, did she like pop
me upside the head to like stop me from like snoring?
(01:59):
But it felt like when I when I get into
like snore mode, I wake myself.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Up like that the moment. It's why it's bad for you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
The moment, the moment i'd like get a like a
really hard snore, like I can hear it in my
sleep and it wakes me up, Like, oh no, no, no,
I ain't with them. I'm not with that whole crazy
snoring type deal, like the noise of it, and every
once in a while, like I will snore. I'm not
a snore, not a big snorer, but when I do,
(02:30):
you know, it happens like I wake myself up. But
speaking of not snoring or snoring, I don't know if
this is a snoozer or if this is a winner
of a discussion. But the Jets have been selected for
hpo's Hard Knocks. I find them to be the most
interesting team to be selected to do the show this year.
(02:55):
It's interesting and in June, I want to say earlier
late June. I'm not sure Lee was it early or
late June. Roberts Sala had something to say. This was
early June, first week of June, June ninth. Okay, there
you go. Here's what Robert Salah had to say about
being on Hard Knocks. I hadn't gotten word or anything
like that. I know. For I know there's several teams
(03:16):
that would love for hard Knocks to be in their building.
We're just not one of them. The very dry humor,
very dry humor indeed, but nonetheless got his point across
that he did not want any parts of being on
heart Knocks. Now, my first inclination connected to why he
(03:39):
wouldn't want to be on heart knocks is everyone is
placing a bull's eye on the New York Jets for
the simple fact that they have Aaron Rodgers. They have
Aaron Rodgers, and this is a team personnel wise that
is a good looking team. It's a vulnerable division, and
(04:00):
a lot of people are basically saying that the New
York Jets should be a team that's in the running.
I would assume for a coach, you might want to
pull your hair out if you had some, if you
were Robert Salah, if you had to expose any aspects
of what it is that you guys have going on
(04:20):
in that building, because quite frankly, while we know that
this is a team that personnel wise has upgraded and
is better, I don't know that I would want people
to see the inner workings of what we're doing because
we haven't become a winner yet, and that could be concerning,
that could be distracting having those cameras around, it could
(04:43):
be a tad bit intrusive. There's just a lot of
emotions as a coach. I'm sure that Robert Salah is
feeling about doing Hard Knocks this year.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Jeff So, I love so much that they this before
it even happened, like, it's this excellent, it's this it's
great for the base of the show to be the
team that we're doing. Hates the word in the building, okay,
because the show can kind of go many different ways.
It's got I like watching all this content.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I don't know why. Maybe because I'm not in the
locker anymore. I'm not playing anymore. But I just love
any of these shows, right, And at some point today
I hope we get to the Quarterback Show on Netflix.
It's fantastic. I watched I watched the Hard Knocks. I
watch all of it. Okay. Now, Hard Knocks obviously was
far better when they kind of gave us more access
to to players being released, which is the hardest part
(05:36):
of the show. But at least we got to see
some of that, right and some of the some of
the meetings the coaches had and scouts had, so they've
cut back on that, and so there's been To me,
it's it's missing some sort of drama each year. Right now.
The lines were good last year because Dan Campbell, He's
just a personality, right, They wanted they wanted it there.
The Jets don't want this there. So it's gonna go
(05:57):
one of two ways. It's either gonna be a terrible
show because they're just gonna avoid everything and everything out,
or what I think it's gonna be. It's fantastic because
of Aaron Rodgers and because of everything they're trying to
build there with the team, with the cameras there and
the pressure of year one. But here's the deal man,
y'all signed a quarterback who likes to make news, right,
(06:23):
who likes to be opinionated. Those are things are totally fine.
I've no problem with Aaron Rodgers saying whatever he wants
to say. But they captures the attention of TV executives
deciding whether or not they're going to put a team
on Hard Knocks. Oh guess what, we have a team
with Aaron Rodgers, who a new team who we might
get like one quote episode talk about something that people
(06:45):
think he's crazy about great, sign him up. He's gonna
talk about ayahuasca and mushrooms in an episode. Awesome, talk
about this and that. Awesome, like you know what I mean,
like LaVar, like they they didn't do it to themselves
because they wanted in Rodgers. But you, of course they
were gonna choose you guys because of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean, you had the Washington Commanders, which we'll talk
about them as well at some point. Uh there, I
mean that might have been the only other interesting team
that was on the list was was Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I just we'll talk about the other Washington stories now,
but just for the team itself, they're not if your
quarterback is not somewhat interesting, it's not that it's not interesting,
tough and Washington's court situation unless unless it's it's more
of a focus on on Eric b Enemy, which I
(07:39):
think would be great to highlight, right sure, or you
know Ron Rivera, we know who Ron Rivera is and
you can and you could frame this season if hard
knocks to do it that way is like, you know,
this is a makeer break for Ron Rivera, which is
I think it totally is a make or break for him. Yeah,
those are great, but I don't know, Washington May didn't
feel like the best option. The Jets were the only option.
I think option. I mean, let's be all Jets Jets,
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like absolutely, you're in the New York market, did you
didn't want this? And again the teams have saying what
gets aired and what doesn't get aired, so you know
we're not gonna maybe get as much as we can.
But again, they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers saying something nuts
every episode. It's all the matter is. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers goes viral when he was doing I don't know
if he still does McAfee. You know, he would say
(08:23):
one thing a week during the season and he'd be like,
what is this guy talking about? Or you'd be like, yeah,
heck yeah, Aaron, you said the thing that no one
else can say, Like, you know, there was always something viral,
you know, for for him to put out there, and
HBO is hoping that's what happens with Hard Knocks.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I just wonder if I'm Robert sala, like, I've never
done Hard Knocks, but would you would you think that
the biggest trepidation for a coach is a player paints
themselves in the wrong light or what I mean, what
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why such a hard line stance against doing a show
that the NFL requires a team to do during the
course of the year. What I mean, why does a
coach take this type of stance. Why not just go
with it?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, a couple of things. One is, you know, we
talked about this word distraction, right, A distraction in the
locker room. Yeah, and that's code for basically anything out
of the ordinary. It does matter what it is, right,
because you're you know, there's a routine in a locker room,
(09:40):
in a building, there's a schedule, there's a rhythm and flow,
and anything outside of of the players and coaches focusing
on that schedule, on that rhythm and flow is considered distraction, right.
And with cameras now in the locker room, with cameras
in the meeting room, with having to do you know,
those those those sit downs right with HBO, you know,
(10:03):
having to discuss life, having a film outside the facility,
like all those things to coaches, especially younger head coaches,
are distractions, right for most Obviously Dan Campbell didn't care
last year, but I think for roberts All, who's fighting
for a playoff Berth this year because they don't have one.
(10:24):
He's not gonna be a coach next season. He's fighting
for his job this year, right, and I think he've
used anything outside of helping his team get to that
spot is a distraction something that they do not want.
I don't think it's going to be about, you know,
a player of paintings on the bad light, unless it's
Rogers again. Because here's what happens our you know this.
I'm not telling you you don't know, but you know,
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Aaron Rodgers says something, you know, HBO. It comes out
on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, they get a cup of Aaron
Rodgers saying something ridiculous and then gets asked about that
on Wednesday Robert Salad does Aaron Rodgers does? The next
seven team players who go to the podium after practice,
That's what That's what coaches don't want that that's a
distraction to them. Might not be to me and you
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and anyone listening, and maybe some players that building don't
even care. But that's what coaches want to avoid the
distraction of, you know, of you know, the the cameras
being around, thinking having players everything think about the cameras
being around, and then obviously the players, you know, saying
something that gets caught on a hot mic, gets caught
doing this and that, and they have to extend explain
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themselves going forward, and so coaches don't want they want
to avoid all of that as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's the one team that
I said to myself, I'm going to watch Hard Knocks
if if they're on. So they won, because I think
that that's one of those those teams with with a
player polarizing players such as Aaron Rodgers, you gotta growing.
You got a growing star study group on that team
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as well. I mean, I think Sas Gardner will most
likely be entertaining as well. There'd be some entertaining characters
that develop on this show. So I'm pretty excited to
actually watch Hard Knocks. I wasn't going to watch, and
I haven't watched Hard Knocks, but I will give it
a chance, just because they chose the team to me
that seems to be most interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app Jeff.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The value of the running back position has been a
large conversation a point of debate this off season with
several big name running backs with well kind of an
in limbo type of scenario that's at play for them
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right now, and one of those those running backs being
Saquon Barkley. The time is running out for the franchise
tag to be signed. It looks as though he's taking
a hard line stance on wanting a long term contract
that is fair and I guess the proper compensation that
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he's deserving of, and it doesn't look as though New
York agrees with what he's requesting. How do you see
this ending? Is this? Is this a holdout scenario? And
I mean if this is a holdout for for Saquon,
what is this? What does this mean for him? What
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does this mean for the running backs position?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So, I, like every former player roots for you know,
each of us set the most money we can ever
make in a career, right, That's what we all root for.
It's you know, it's a short career, and you hope
that everyone makes as much money as they can, right
And The Giants offered Saquon sixteen million a year, which
I think is too much anyways, and he turned that
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down because he Barkley wanted sixteen million a year. The
Giants off for thirteen. And that's where're at the stalemate
right now. So they put the franchise tag on him,
and they pulled the offer that they had, which they
told him they would do if he didn't accept, and
they franchise tagged him. The unfortunate part about the running
back position is their individual value is not as high
(14:24):
as other positions. The running game is still important, but
you can have success without paying that running back all
that money. Right for example, a couple examples. Right last year,
when Christian McCaffrey left the Carolina Panthers, what happened to
the run game? Do you remember last year? Yeah? It
got better, It got better. They were better as a
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team running the football where Kristram McCaffrey was gone. They
rushed for two hundred and fifty yards in Week sixteen.
They rushed for assuming sorry, I take that back, rushed
for three hundred and twenty yards at Week sixteen. Oh wow,
two hundred and twenty three yards in Week fourteen, two
hundred and thirty two yards in Week ten one seventy
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three and one sixty nine. Like they rushed for a
lot of yards in a game the last game of
season one seventy one without Christian McCaffrey in the lineup.
We have seen the Chiefs who had a first you know,
they had a first round running back who got hurt,
really hadn't contributed as much as he is everyone thought
he would have do. Anyways, they rolled a seventh round
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running back. The offense is just fine. There's so many
examples of offenses being just as good or better without
that first round running back or the running back you're
paying a lot of money to. I would argue that
right now, only one running back in the NFL who's
paid on that second contract has really been worth the
money to help their team win. Maybe maybe let's go
one and a half. You know, Derek Henry's been been excellent,
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but but you know, the Devin Tennessee's gone backwards, right
and as at his fault, I don't know, but you know,
since they sign him and Ryan Tannehill, they had one
good year and they've slid sort of backwards ever since.
So it wasn't worth paying Henry all that money. Sure, maybe,
but they didn't win with the thought that.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Now the way they're looking, it doesn't seem like it
would have been worth it to pay anyone.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The other one is Tritian McCaffrey, who's doing good things
at a Francisco. Right, But again, does he make that
offense any better? Or is that quarterback situation make the offense?
Much like if you take McCaffrey out put anyone else,
is the offense sort of the same? I would agree yes,
if you put obviously a quarterback in there, that unlocks
everyone else being better? Right, So the values not so
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I get teams saying, look, man, they love Saquon Barkley
as a person. It's a great guy, but look, we're
just not gonna pay you as much money if you're Barkley.
Now you can threat to sit out. I mean, you know,
the leverage and a lot of situations is on the
is on the football team if you do sit out, right,
like it's they have the leverage because if you don't,
if you don't play, you don't get paid, right, that's
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the hard part about sitting out. And is he gonna
do it all season? I mean the giants don't care, Oh,
you missed two weeks of training camp whatever, and now
LeVar two. Remember when guys used to miss training camp
for holdouts, NFL teams would often rescind the fine when
they showed back up. You can't do that anymore the CBA,
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the new CBA. If you get fined, you get fined.
So you're now you're gonna get fined millions of dollars
for missing a training camp on top of not possibly
making money during the season. If you sit out, I mean,
Le'Veon Bell never recovered. He never made that fourteen million
dollars back.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So if I was Saquan, I I love the hardline
stands right, I mean all great things right now, But
to me, you got to come up and you got
to play right like you You can't forego a season
of thirteen. What's the franchise tag guy for running backs?
You can't forego you know the it's it's ten point
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ten point women. You can't four go that money this season.
I do think he shows up eventually, because I think
he's smarter than maybe you know his stance right now,
but I get his anger. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah,
that you should get paid more. Your position should be
more valued. But the Giants this year, LeVar or what
will be make or break on Daniel Jones improvement?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Absolutely, that's it.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Not on whether Saquon's there or not. Unfortunately, sorry Saquon.
It's gonna be on whether Daniel Jones is better not
better hand the ball off to you, not better throwing
screen passes to you, better off as an overall quarterback
in the National Football League because right now you could
your division and Daniel Jones at best is third best
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quarterback in your division, which is not good, not a
good place to be in. Right The third best quarterback
doesn't win the division often so he can play over
his skis improve. So he threw for only fifteen touchdowns
last season, Like he threw I know he ran for
I get the number here he ran. He ran for
some as well. He ran for seven. That's twenty two
touchdowns at your quarterback position. That's all you get it done, right,
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Like you need more from you need more production from Jones.
They improve the wide receiving group, they proved off its line.
We should we should see better. But the Giants are
gonna win or lose based off of jones improvement, not
whether Barclays are the building or not.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
See I'm I'm on the I'm on the fence about
it a little bit. I actually think the running back
for quarterbacks like Daniel Jones are imperative to their their success.
I think we're going to find a lot about a lot.
We're going to find out a lot about Kirk Cousins
this season without having Dalvin Cook. I I'm not certain
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why the why the the position has been devalued so much,
but I will say when I think about what football
has always represented, football has always represented establishing yourselves up front,
which it's still that's still exists, Establishing the front, whether
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the offensive front can can impose their will upon the
defensive front, or vice versa. That has always been. If
anyone wants to understand where football is won and lost,
it's in the trenches. And a part of that conversation
is while you're establishing that you're softening the belly by
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running the ball. Yes, it's always been a necessary evil
to what football represents, and at one point in time,
that's really all there really was was run the ball,
you know, And that mentality that philosophy has has slowly.
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I don't want to say deteriorate it, but it is eroded.
This is a past first league. You would have people
would have gotten physically ill, possibly even vomited if you
said in connection and relation to football that it's a
pass first game. It's a pass first sport. But it
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is now it is, and that's not that's It doesn't
seem like it's a trend that's going to change and
go back, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
But it's interesting because it is a pass first sport. However,
the two best offensive lines play in the Super Bowl
last year, right, like you have to pass, but then
when you come the postseason, it's like, wow, we kind
of want to run the ball a little bit. Like
because here's the thing, guys, I'm a big believer in
analytics in football, not everything. I think some of it's
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at a little too over overdone for the average fan.
But I get the point of it and I use
it in my work. But you cannot You cannot value
there's no value to put on. As you mentioned, it's
the physical part of the game that comes from beating
someone up in the trenches. There's no value puts that.
(22:04):
You were on the oppositide of me. Right, you played linebacker,
I played offensive line. There's nothing that you can You
can't put a number on the fourth quarter eyes and
offensive linemen have beat on you all game, and now
it's time to win the game, and I get to
do it again and again and again. And that feeling
that the defender has of helplessness, We've all seen it.
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It goes the other way around too, right when a
defensive lineman, When a defensive lineman is the other way right,
when they're beating us up right, But there's a physical
part to that that game where you can't measure that,
and it has to start in the offensive defensive line,
and that that is in essence what wins in the postseason, right,
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is being able to establish that toughness. Look at the
Eagles last year, right, the best office on the football,
no mistake, different Super Bowl Chiefs, offensive line one of
the best in football, and the post isn't played incredibly well.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And they were using three running backs.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
There's no surprise that these physical teams are in the postseason.
So you know, I think that's still a big part
of the game, being able to push people around, even
though the running back itself, that position might not be
as valued. There is a value in being a physical,
physical team in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
If the value is at ten million for the franchise
tag and the offer was for thirteen million and he
wanted sixteen million, I mean, does that sixteen million qualify
as being a fair ask, like in your assessment and
your assumption or you feel as though I think I
(23:47):
did hear you say that that was too much? What
qualifies if it's too much or if it's the right ask.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I'm going to pull up the running back contracts right now,
but I think that I think the Giants are like, yeah,
we're just not paying you like as a top as
a top guy. Christian McCaffrey makes sixteen million dollars a year,
so he's the highest the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So's that's where that came from. So Saquon Barkley wants
to be paid like Christian mccas.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Derek Henry is at twelve, Nick Chubb's at twelve, Joe
Mixon is at twelve. So like, I think the Giants
are like, yeah, we'll pay you slightly more of those guys,
you know, right, but we're not going to go up
where where caffrey is. Yeah, So that's where that number
came from. So that's where I think that giants and
take one or at odds. Right, of course you're your
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agent's gonna and look, I have no problem with Saquon's stance,
and this is what the acceptable stances.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
The thing about it, too, is that he has been
He was healthy his first year, he's not healthy the
next two years, and now he was healthy in last year.
I think there's maybe concerned that position about health as well.
That's a be those guys get beat up and running
back man, y'all, y'all put all, y'all hit them. There
are times when I was playing LeVar where I'd be
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blocking and I would hear the running back get hit
and I think to myself, like that guy's dead.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Like he thought that at times too.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Got like the guy hit so hard, there's no way
that he's getting up. And it's it's a it's a
position where you just take a physical pounding by the opposition,
and there's a shelf life with with backs that I
think teams are afraid of. And if you pay the quarterback,
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pay the running book, all that money there's a concern
that he can't stay healthy and now we're out of money.
You know, you look at the top of this list.
For the most part, these courts, these guys have to healthy.
We know Derek Henry's had some issues, but Alvin Kimara,
you know, might be suspended for part of the season.
You know, I don't think that's an issue for the
Saints as far as salary. They won't pay him during
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that time, but you know, making sure these guys are
are are ready to go. Here's also an issue with
with with paying these guys. You ready. So McCaffrey was
a new addition obviously to the Niners this year. They
won what one playoff game? This should be two playoff games?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Alvin Kamara no playoff games, Derrick Henry no playoffs last year,
Nick Chubb no playoffs last year. Joe Mixon Bengals, correct playoffs,
Aaron Jones zero playoff wins. Tony Pollard Right, did the
Cowboys win a playoff game last year?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Last year?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Josh Jacobs No. Sikhon Barkley, Yes, they won a playoff game.
James Connor is like next up here? No, Miles Sanders Yes.
With the Eagles to it's part of the success. Austin Eckler,
no playoff game, no playoff win last year, Dan Montgomery
no playoffs last year. See him getting at like, it's
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it's a again, dude. I block for Jamal Charles, Adrian Peterson.
Who'd be in the Hall of Fame. Jamal Charles, I
think if play would have played three or four more years,
would have been in the Hall of Fame. Jonathan Stewart
and Dangel Williams incredible running backs, guys that led the
league in rushing, almost had the rushing record. Like great guys,
They've made my career. But sitting in this chair now,
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it's like, yeah, I get why teams are like, yeah,
we're just not giving you that money.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, the position has continued to evolve. Sixteen million to
match McCaffrey does seem a little bit ambitious. I hope
he doesn't hold out. Jeff I hope that he doesn't
(27:30):
sit out because he's gone through so much to be
able to get back to having that amazing season.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
That he had.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I will say I do not think that Daniel Jones
is able to have a successful year if he doesn't
have that production that came from Saquon Barkley's legs. If
I'm a betting man and I'm gambling on myself, and
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I'm saying, Daniel Jones, the correlation of success has come
directly through my production. The New York Giants, I'm saying
to myself. The New York Giants know this, and I'm
hoping that they come back with a number. Maybe it's
not sixteen million. Nobody's going to get to DeShawn Jackson
(28:21):
or Deshaun Watson's contract as a quarterback. I mean, not
anytime soon. I would think, no matter how good you are.
So if I can get somewhere near that as a quarterback,
if I'm thinking as a running back in this moment,
if I can get somewhere near where McCaffrey is, and
like you said above, the other guys like Henry and
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those other guys, then then I should look at that
as that's a win. And hopefully they you know, I
know they rescind it the offer, but maybe they put
the offer back on the table. You know, maybe they
put the offer back on the table and they put
a couple more in stays or a couple more dollars
in there where you can make him feel like he
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gotta win and and ultimately the franchise has gotta win
because I just think it throws off the equilibrium of
this team if if they don't have this, you know,
if they don't have Saquon on the on the roster.
To me, that just think it's imperative to have them.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You could never have enough good players on the roster, right,
So if he's not there, do I think the run
game is gonna be terribly affected overall in the season
if he's not there the whole year? Maybe, maybe not,
Maybe it is. I mean, but again, Saquan is an
incredible talent, and you could never have enough incredible talented
players on your football team. You just can't. So did
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we miss him when it changed their success of the season,
like wins and losses wise? I don't know. Probably not,
but just because I think that they're so related that
so Elina Daniel Jones being being the guy you know that,
I don't think it matters terribly much. But you can
never have enough good players.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
On your team. Well, we're going to find I mean,
if he's there, we won't find out. But if he
isn't there, we certainly will find out. If Daniel Jones
and Company can carry the load.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
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Speaker 5 (30:21):
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Speaker 2 (30:48):
Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Now, without further ado,
let's bring in senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist, lead
content It's strategist, lead content strategist at the MQB, Albert Breer.
How are you feeling, my guy? Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I appreciate that introduction
of bar did you like that.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Can you tell me what the lead content strategist means?
What what do you do in that that position?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I guess what kind of come up with ideas?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Okay, that's that's the short of it. Yeah, right, all right, wonderful.
I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm available if you need me.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
By the way, you know, well if you want to
do a brainstorming sessions or whatever you may be going,
want come out.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
There any anytime you like to hear my my thoughts
on on content strategies. You know, I would love to
put that in front of you.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Maybe we'll get We'll get that on the calendar, LeVar,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, I did that on national radio. People. Hey, So
thinking about content and strategy, it seems as though there's
a pot possibility that Dan Snyder is doing content and
strategy to maybe, I don't know, sabotage this this this
(32:12):
sale of the team. I mean, is it more about
getting out of the way of all of the legal
issues that he may be facing and leveraging the sale
of the team, Like basically, I'm not in this situation
without that. So is that is that what's going on?
Or is this he doesn't want to sell the team.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think this isn't like I
don't think this is just like he doesn't want to
sell the team. I think he said he wants to
clean break. I mean, I think he knows, you know,
what he's going to open himself up to the minute
he walks away, and what else might come out the
minute he walks away, and what might be in that
report that the commissioner has been promising us forever, and
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what it might mean for his future, you know, in business,
and you know I I can tell you that, like,
no one should be shocked. And I don't think anybody
inside the league office or you know, with any of
the teams is surprised that there would be a bomb
that would drop and that this wouldn't happen in a
clean way at the very end. And remember we're one
(33:18):
week away from that special league meeting in Minneapolis where
all the owners are going to approve the sale of
the team to Josh Harris. So I don't know, of
our It just feels to me like the timing of
this is designed to force the NFL's hand, you know,
when they're right at the wire, and you know, everybody
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in Washington's waiting for this to be done and just
wants it to be done. And you know, the everybody
new organization wants to move on. You know, like this
is a way of of of Dan Snyder leveraging a
few last things that he wants with the threat that
you know, he could blow up the timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Of all this.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
So when the NBA wanted one of Donald Sterling out
as Clipper's owner, it happened immediately right he was gone.
That was the end of it. Why can't the NFL
do the same with Daniel Snyder? Buddy, You're out of here.
There's no terms, You're just gone. Like I don't want
to hear anymore be gone. I mean, he's already supposedly
(34:20):
leaked out a bunch of stories that it didn't matter
in the end. Like why can't they just tell him
like to be gone, thank you for your service for
twenty years, talk to you later.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Because I would say the easiest way to answer that
question is Jeff, because they all have turned under their
fingernails and they don't want to set the present of
voting each other out, and in these sorts of situations,
they would rather not have that lever Ever, be pulled,
because once that lever gets pulled, and once the public
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outcry to get somebody out pushes somebody out, then those
guys lose some level of control.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
And I'm not saying that every other owner has done
stuff as dad as Daniel Snyder, you know, has done
the egregious things that Danielle Snyder's done. But there are
a lot of them that have, i mean, some sketchy
stuff in their past and some stuff that if it
came to light probably wouldn't look real good. And you know,
I think the feeling is that once you vote one
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guy out, well, the next time any owner does anything wrong,
there's gonna be a public outcry to pull the Snyder lever.
So you know, if they can push Jerry Richardson out,
they can push Dan Snyder out and make them leave
on their own, well, then you know, they can kind
of keep that record of never having voted anybody out,
and then anytime somebody calls for them to pull that
(35:43):
lever on someone else, they can say, well, that's just
not something we do.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
You know what's interesting is what's good for the goose
is good for the gander. You have Sakwon Barkley holding out,
has a scientist his franchise tag Dan Snyder's holding out
and he's waiting for the contract that he wants. Is
(36:11):
he's kind of in the same exact situation as Saquon
Barkley as assumed to be former owner. I asked this question,
and listen, I'll ask this about Saquon as well, but
I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on Dan.
What happens if Dan Snyder doesn't get the deal that
(36:31):
he wants because they made very well not I don't
know that they can give him what it is that
he's looking for with this clean break. What happens if
he doesn't get this done, if he doesn't get the
contract he wants from the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
If he doesn't get the if he doesn't get what
he wants from the NFL, he could go kicking and screaming,
you know, and he could. Now I think we all
think that like this thing will get worked out over time.
They're just too far down the line for it not
to happen. But you know, could he screw up you know,
(37:13):
the plan to vote him through on July twentieth. Yeah,
I mean there's a reason why var when they first
went to the owners and said, like, all right, we're
at the goal line now. They gave the owners two dates,
and this is the first of those dates, so it
was July twentieth and August Day. Put those two dates aside.
Those are the dates that we're going to set aside
for a special league meeting to vote the new owner
(37:36):
of the Commanders, Josh Harris through. So, you know, I
think what he could do is he could complicate this
and he could delay the sale, and I mean, ultimately,
I guess if he really wanted to push it, he
could force them to force him out. I don't think
it's going to come to that, you know, with the
(37:57):
amount of money on the line and everything else that
everybody's gone through, all the hoops that everybody's jumped through
get to this point, I don't think we're going to
see a scenario now where they got to vote him out.
But like, he could certainly make this a whole lot
more difficult on them here over the next few weeks,
And you know, I think the first step would be
(38:19):
you're putting them in a position where they've got to
delay that vote, which again sept for one week some
day in Minneapolis, who's more likely.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
To get their Contractuon Barkley or Dan Snyder.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
I would say, Squon is uh okay, you know what,
you know, like I always I mean, I mean my
nineteenth year covering the league and so I've you know,
I've covered dozens of these franchise tag situations, and you know,
I think more often than not, they get ugly in
the days leading up to the deadline, because what happens
(38:54):
is a guy gets tagged in March, he's not happy
about it. Then there's some negotiations. In a lot of case,
does those negotiations go nowhere? And then you know, the
teams goes about its business free agency, the drafts, and
you know, then they go into the spring and there's
no urgency to get anything done because budgets and the
cap is set for the year, and so you know,
(39:16):
everybody's sort of relying on this deadline in the middle
of July to get the last pieces of a contract done.
And you know, I think that that's you know a
lot of times when they come back to the table,
it's like, well, we're not any further than we were
in March, and people were upset about that. Well that's
the consecutive. He was sitting on their hands for four months,
(39:38):
you know, and waiting for the deadline to come. And
so you know, in a lot of cases, these things
do get done at the wire. And I do think
there's a deal to be done there. And I mean,
if what Mike Florio reported yesterday is correct, and you know,
I've heard similar things where you know, they offered him
thirteen million a year, he wants sixteen million a year,
(40:00):
I do think there's you know, I don't think either
those positions are ridiculous, nor are they that far apart.
And you know, ultimately, you know, I think the Giants
do genuinely want to reward one of their best players
and one of the guys that was most instrumental to
them turning things around last year. On the flip side,
if you're Saquon Barkley and you've been through the injuries
(40:20):
that you've been through the last few years, and you're
a running back and you see what running backs got
on the market last year or earlier in the year,
you know where the top guy in the market, Miles Sanders,
who was an next teammate yours, got six million dollars
a year. I mean, I I just I think in
the end, you know, if you're Saquon five years into
(40:40):
the league, you know you're going to have to take
as much as you possibly can and just call it
a day. You know, like push this to the very end,
be a tough negotiator, make sure your agent has, you know,
his or her ducks in a row. But in the end,
like if you're Saquon Barkley and you know you look
at his position, his injury history, his age, I think
(41:04):
you you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't
collect every dollar that you possibly could at this point,
because you don't know what liveshead. So I do think
ultimately the motivation of both sides and how close they've
been together will prevail and they'll get a deal done.
But you know, again, like because of the circumstances of
the way the franchise tag works, these things do often
(41:24):
get ugly in the days leading up to the deadline.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
The New York Jets were selected for hard knocks against
their wishes. But you know you signed Aaron is the
right word?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
How how do they go about managing the cameras? And
they're building uh for a month knowing that this is
something they do not want.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
What's the what's the saying, Jeff, is that you'd rather
have a volunteer than hostage.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yes, well, the NFL. The NFL's got a hostage right now.
So I think we've all seen this before, you know,
like where you know a team or you know, coaching
staff or players aren't on board with the idea of it,
and so I would think things will be a little
(42:09):
uncomfortable to be too. I mean, just from like a
TV production standpoint two. You guys realize, like the Lions
last year, they announced that at the end of March, right, So,
like NFL Films had done all of this work through
April and May and June to get b roll and
do background work. And now you know, Films is going
(42:30):
to be entering into that facility and they're going to
need to like do a couple of months worth of
work in a couple of weeks, you know, So it's
gonna need to be intensive over the next couple of weeks.
So then put out a good product at the beginning
of August for that first episode, and you know, I like,
look like I love the films people, you know, I
was obviously an NFL network for six years. They're with
(42:51):
LeVar for a little while, and the films people do
fantastic work, and I think most coaches and players once
the actual people who are doing the work on the ground,
wind up liking those people, and so I think that
that gets you part of the way there. But I
do think that the manner that this was handled and
the fact that they had to force someone to do
it is going to affect the product, you know, And yeah,
(43:16):
I'm gonna be really interested to see how, you know,
Robert Sala and Aaron Rodgers and Joe Douglas and all
the powers that be in that organization handle it. I
think Woody Johnson will like the attention, you know. I
think he'll like the spotlight being on the Jets. But
you know, I think the level of cooperation that they're
going to get and how it affects the product is
(43:37):
going to be a really interesting thing to watch because
I think it could affect the way these things are
handled in the future. I believe this is the first
time they've actually had to force someone to do it too,
which is going to be an interesting precedent to follow.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Talking with Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, Lead Content Strategies
at m lmqb AB. I know you you chimed in
on the Northwestern saga situation. I think it was handled poorly,
and I think it even even though I find that
(44:12):
the head coach should be culpable of this situation, I
still think that the school handled this in a way
that gives Pat Fitzgerald a leg to stand on in
the legal legal courts or in assist the legal system,
so to speak. What what what was your takeaway on
how things unfolded at Northwestern?
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Well, my first, my first takeaway was we should all
get in the crisis communications because that seems to be
the easiest job in America. Because I don't know, like
how that was handled, right, Like, is all these people do?
Tell them to just release it at five o'clock on
a Friday. I mean you or I could do that,
right of course. I mean like that, I mean like
that seems to be the only thing that like the
(44:57):
only thing that was done to manage this at all.
I mean, I you know, I just I think from
it being a two week suspension to it happening, you know,
being enforced, when it's being enforced in the middle of
the summer to thinking that like this wasn't going to
lead to a second blow being thrown by the bye
(45:17):
bye by the accuser, you know, like this, that this
was going to be you know, just kind of you know, okay.
To be swept unto the rug in the handling of
it was god awful. And I you know, I got
to tell you, like I the NFL people I've dealt
with over the years that you know, no fits and
I don't know him personally, but and then the people
who played for him, you know, they all speak very,
(45:39):
very highly of him. So I'm not condoning anything that
happened in that building. I just think, you know, when
you're talking about a guy guy's career and all he's
accomplished in the place in the university, for it to
be handled like this is really really, I mean excusable,
and like it feels to me like other people should
(46:00):
lose their jobs. Here is to go from two weeks
again without pay in the middle of the summer and
news dump it to firing the winningst coach in the
history of your program and the guy who was an
All American player for you in three days time, either
says your investigation really sucked because he didn't know any
(46:22):
of it, or you're just reacting to public pressure. It's
one or the other. That's it, you know what I mean. Like,
and that tells me that Northwestern University, which is obviously
one of the best universities in the United States of America,
has a really really weak administration, which is a pretty
eye opening thing, I think for all of us.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
I thought it was pretty eye opening. And I kind
of totally agree with the sentiments that that you gave ab.
It's Albert Breer, senior NFL writer. Well, reporter, you are
a writer too, you do, right, Yeah, that's pretty dope, man,
lead contents. I was just at the m mqb Uh,
we appreciate you joining us, my guy. And until next week,
(47:06):
huh are you back in the saddle?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yeah, you're getting the Dame fand back together next.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Week, right, That's why I mean, that's what I hear.
That's the that's the rumor out there on the streets
is that everybody's going to be back, uh next week.
But you know, we'll wait to see, you know, Lisa,
we have to wait to see.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
So football season really, I mean, from for a lot
of us. You know, you guys know this, but summer's
about to be over for for a lot of US,
football season is basically here.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
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