July 13, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar and Geoff celebrate the Jets being selected for HBO’s Hard Knocks. Saquon Barkley threatens a hold out if the Giants don’t offer him close to market setting money. All that and much more from “In Case You Missed It.”
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you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I am doing fantastic. I know. We talked to early
in the week about sleep right, Yeah, you're more of
a napper. And I went to bed so early last night.
I am refreshed. I got a full eight and a
half hours last night.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sound refreshed.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Man, Yeah, dude, I got like I went to bed
like like forty nine. I was like, I'm going to bed.
I was like, I put I put my daughter to bed.
I'm like united, honey, I'm mommy and daddy. We are going,
We're out, We're out cold out. And uh I slepped
a lot. I'm like pumped.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, it was great, like lightweight hypernation.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Huh, dude, I can sleep man, Like my son can
like that. We can. We're a sleeping family. We can.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Are you a snore? Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah? I mean I'm big and fat, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You want to take a sniff before you answer that one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Only only on my when I snore on my back back.
I have that seat pap so, you know, but I
barely qualify for the seat pap, like I was like
one point enough to qualify. So it's not my sleep
apne is not terrible. But you know, for the for
the mayor, it's best that I wear my mask at night.
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Good for you, Yeah, good, good for you being considerate
of her versus you just being safety and you know safe.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
She's just like but also to like a little a
little selfish, like I don't want to be like punched
every night or kicked to stop snoring either, So I'd
rather just sleep the night without having my spouse push
me in the back every time I snore.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Have you ever woke up with your head sore from
getting hit bike? Every once in a while, I will,
I don't know, but every once in a while I'll
wake up with my head sore, and I'll be like,
why do I have a pain on my head? Like that, like, man,
it feels kind of weird. Then I kind of start
thinking about, like, man, did she like pop me upside
the head to like stop me from like snoring? But
(03:32):
I always felt like when I when I get into
like snore mode, I wake myself up like that.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's why it's why it's bad for you.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The moment, the moment i'd like get a like a
really hard snore, like I can hear it in my
sleep and it wakes me up, Like oh no, no, no,
I ain't with them. I'm not with that whole crazy
snoring type deal, like the noise of it, and every
once in a while, like I will snore. I'm not
a snore. I'm not a big snore, but when I do,
(04:03):
you know, it happens like I wake myself up. But
speaking of not snoring or snoring, I don't know if
this is a snoozer or if this is a winner
of a discussion. But the Jets have been selected for
hpo's Hard Knocks. I find them to be the most
interesting team to be selected to do the show this year.
(04:27):
It's interesting in June, I want to say earlier late June.
I'm not sure, Lee was it early or late June,
Robert Sala had something to say.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
This was early June, first week of June, June ninth.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, there you go. Here's what Robert Salah had to
say about being on hard knocks.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I hadn't done word or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I know, for I know there's several teams that would
love for hard Knocks to be in their building. We're
just not one of them. So very dry humor, very
dry humor indeed, but nonetheless got his point across that
he did not want any parts of being on heart knocks. Now,
(05:07):
my first inclination connected to why he wouldn't want to
be on heart knocks is everyone is placing a bullseye
on the New York Jets for the simple fact that
they have Aaron Rodgers. They have Aaron Rodgers, and this
is a team personnel wise, that is a good looking team.
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It's a vulnerable division, and a lot of people are
basically saying that the New York Jets should be a
team that's in the running. I would assume for a coach,
you might want to pull your hair out if you
had some if you were Robert Salah, if you had
to expose any aspects of what it is that you
(05:51):
guys have going on in that building. Because quite frankly,
while we know that this is a team that personnel
wise is upgraded and is better, I don't know that
I would want people to see the inner workings of
what we're doing because we haven't become a winner yet
and that could be concerning, That could be distracting having
(06:14):
those cameras around, it could be a tab bit intrusive. Uh,
there's just a lot of emotions as a coach. I'm
sure that that Robert sala is feeling about doing Hard
Knocks this year.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Jeff So, I love so much that they hated this
before it even happened, Like it's just excellent. It's just
it's great for the base of the show to be
the team that we're doing hates that we're in the building, Okay,
because the show can kind of go many different ways.
It's got I like watching all this content, man. I
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don't know why. Maybe because I'm not in the lockerom anymore,
I'm not playing anymore. But I just love any of
these shows, right and at some point today I hope
we get to the Quarterback Show on Netflix. It's fantastic.
I watched I watched the Hard Knocks, I watch all
of it. Okay, Now, Hard Knocks obviously was far better
when they kind of gave us more access to players
being released, which is the hardest part of the show.
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But at least we got to see some of that,
right and some of the some of the meetings the
coaches had and scouts had. So they've cut back on that,
and so there's been to me, it's missing some sort
of drama each year. Right now. The lines were good
last year because Dan Campbell, he's just a personality, right
They wanted it there. The Jets don't want this there.
(07:29):
So it's gonna go one of two ways. It's either
gonna be a terrible show because they're just gonna avoid
everything and everything out, or what I think it's gonna
be is fantastic because of Aaron Rodgers and because everything
they're trying to build there with the team, with the
cameras there and the pressure of year one. But here's
the deal, man, y'all signed a quarterback who likes to
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make news, right, who likes to be opinionated. Those are
things are totally fine. I've no problem with Aaron Rodgers
saying whatever he wants to say, but they captures the
attention of TV executives deciding whether or not they're going
to put a team on Hard Knocks. Oh guess what,
we have a team with Aaron Rodgers. Who a new
team who we might get like one quote episode talk
(08:17):
about something that people think he's crazy about.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Great, sign him up.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But he's gonna talk about ayahuasca and mushrooms in an episode. Awesome,
talk about this and that? Awesome, like you know what
I mean, like Lvar, Like they they didn't do it
to themselves because they wanted in Rodgers. But you, of
course they were gonna choose you guys because of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I mean, you had the Washington Commanders, which we'll talk
about them as well at some point there. I mean
that might have been the only other interesting team that
was on the list was Washington.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, just we'll talk about the other Washington stories now,
but just for the team itself, they're not if your
quarterback is not somewhat interest staying, it's not that tough
and and Washington's core situation, unless unless it's it's more
of a focus on on Eric b Enemy, which I
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think would be great to highlight, right sure, or you
know Ron Rivera, we know who Ron Rivera is and
you can you could frame this season if Hard Knocks
is doing it that way, is like, you know, this
is a makeup break for Ron Rivera, which is I
think it totally is a make or break for him. Yeah,
those are great, but I don't know. Washington made didn't
feel like the best option. The Jets were the only option.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Saw Jets Jets like absolutely, you're in the New York market,
didn't you didn't want this? And again the teams have
saying what gets aired and what doesn't get aired, so
you know we're not gonna maybe get as much as
we can. But again they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers saying
something nut. So every episode it's all the matter. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers goes viral when he was doing I don't
know if he still does McAfee. You know, he would
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say one thing a week during the season and he'd
be like, what is this guy talking about U? Or
you'd be like, yeah, heck, yeah, Aaron, you said the
thing that no one else can say. Like, you know,
there was always something viral, you know, for for him
to put out there and HBO is hoping that's what
happens with hard Knocks.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I just wonder if I'm Robert Salat, like, I've never
done Hard Knocks, but would you would you think that
the biggest trepidation for a coach is a player paints
themselves in the wrong light? Or what I mean? What
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why such a hard line stance against doing a show
that the NFL requires a team to do during the
course of the year. What I mean, why does a
coach take this type of stance? Why not just go
with it?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, a couple things. One is, you know, we talk
about this word distraction, right, a distraction in the locker room. Yeah,
and that's code for basically anything out of the ordinary.
It does matter what it is, right because you're you know,
there's a routine in a locker room, in a building,
(11:13):
there's a schedule, there's a rhythm and flow, and anything
outside of of the players and coaches focusing on that schedule,
on that rhythm and flow is considered distraction. Right. And
with cameras now in the locker room, with cameras in
the meeting room, with having to do you know, those
those those sit downs right with with HBO you know,
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having to discuss life, having a film outside of the facility,
like all those things to coaches, especially younger head coaches,
are distractions, right for most obviously Dan Campbell didn't care
last year. But I think for Roberts All, who's fighting
for a playoff berth this year because they don't have one.
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He's not going to be a coach next season. He's
fighting for his job this year, right, and I think
he've used anything outside of helping his team get to
that spot is a distraction, something that they do not want.
I don't think it's going to be about, you know,
a player of paints on the bad light, unless it's
Rogers again. Because here's what happens our you know this.
I'm not telling you you don't know, but you know,
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Aaron Rodgers says something. You know, HBO comes out on
Tuesdays or Wednesdays, they get a couple of Aaron Rodgers
saying something ridiculous and then gets asked about that on Wednesday.
Robert's all it does. Aaron Rodgers does the next seventeen
players who go to the podium after practice. That's what
That's what coaches don't want that. That's a distraction to
them might not be to me and you and anyone listening,
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and maybe some players that bid don't even care. But
that's what coaches want to avoid the distraction of, you know,
of you know, the the cameras being around, thinking having
players everything think about the cameras being around, and then
obviously a player, you know, saying something that gets caught
on a hot mic, gets caught doing this and that,
and they have to extend explain themselves going forward, and
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so coaches don't want they want to avoid all of
that as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's the one team that
I said to myself, I'm going to watch Hard Knocks
if they're on. So they won, because I think that
that's one of those those teams with a player polarizing
players such as Aaron Rodgers, you gotta growing. You got
a growing star study group on that team as well.
(13:30):
I mean, I think Sas Gardner will most likely be
entertaining as well. There'll be some entertaining characters that develop
on this show. So I'm pretty excited to actually watch
Hard Knocks. I wasn't going to watch and I haven't
watched Hard Knocks, but I will give it a chance
just because they chose the team. To me, that seems
to be most interesting. So anyway, that's Jeff Schwartz. He
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gave you some great perspective on it. And I'm LeVar Arrington.
This is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe and
coming up next live from the Track dot Com Studios,
we'll discuss Sekwon Barkley. It's getting closer and closer to
that time where signing that franchise tag. Well, the deadline
is fast approaching. Will he get a deal done? Will
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he sign the franchise tag or will he hold out?
We'll discuss that next on Two Pros and a Cup
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local retailer today, Jeff. The value of the running back
position has been a large conversation a point of debate
(15:25):
this off season with several big name running backs with
well kind of an in limbo type of scenario that's
at play for them right now, and one of those
those running backs being Saquon Barkley. The time is running
(15:46):
out for the franchise tag to be signed. It looks
as though he's taking a hard line stance on wanting
a long term contract that is fair and I guess
the proper compensation that he's deserving of, And it doesn't
look as though New York agrees with what he he's requesting.
(16:10):
How do you see this ending? Is this a is
this a holdout scenario? And I mean if this is
a holdout for for Saquon, what is this? What does
this mean for him? What does this mean for the
running backs position?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So, I, like every former player roots for you know,
each of us get the most money we could ever
make in a career. Right, It's what we all root for.
It's you know, it's a short career, and you hope
that everyone makes as much money as they can. Right.
And the Giants offered Saquan sixteen million a year, which
I think is too much anyways, and he turned that
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down because he Barkley wanted sixteen million a year. The
Giants offered thirteen. And that's whe're at the stalemate right now,
is they put the franchise tag on him. And they
pulled the offer that they had, which they told him
they would do if he didn't accept, and they franchised
tagged them. The unfortunate part about the running back position
is their individual value is not as high as other positions.
(17:10):
The running game is still important, but you can have
success without paying that running back all that money. Right.
For example, a couple examples. Right last year, when Christian
McCaffrey left the Carolina Panthers, what happened to the run game?
Do you remember last year? Don't? Yeah? It got better.
It got better. They were better as a team running
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the football where Christian McCaffrey was gone. They rushed for
two hundred and fifty yards in Week sixteen, they rushed
for assume me. Sorry, I take that back. They rushed
for three hundred and twenty yards in Week sixteen, two
hundred and twenty three yards in Week fourteen, two hundred
and thirty two yards in Week ten, one seventy three
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and one sixty nine, like, they rushed for a lot
of yards in a game last game of season one
seventy one without Christian McCaffrey in the lineup. We have
seen the Chiefs who had a first you know, they
had a first round running back who got hurt, really
hadn't contributed as much as he is everyone thought he
would have do. Anyways, they rolled a seventh round running back.
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The offense is just fine. There's so many examples of
offenses being just as good or better without that first
round running back or the running back you're paying a
lot of money to. I would argue that right now,
only one running back in the NFL who's paid on
that second contract has really been worth the money to
help their team win. Maybe maybe let's go one and
a half. You know, Derrick Henry's been been excellent, but
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but you know, the Tennessee's gone backwards, right and is
that his fault. I don't know, but you know, since
they signed him and Ryan Tannehill, they had one good
year and they've slid sort of backwards ever since. So
it wasn't worth paying Henry all that money. Sure, maybe,
but you know they didn't win with the thought that.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Now the way they're looking, it doesn't seem like it
would have been worth it to pay anyone.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The other one is Trician McCaffrey, who's doing good things
at A Francisco. Right, But again, does he make that
offense any better? Or is that quarterback situation make the offense?
Much like if you take McCaffrey out put anyone else,
is the offense sort of the same? I would agree yes,
if you put obviously a quarterback in there, that unlocks
everyone else being better. Right, So the values on, So
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I get teams saying, look, man, they love Saquon Barkley
as a person. He's a great guy, but look, we're
just not gonna pay you as much money if you're Barkley.
Now you can threaten to sit out. I mean, you know,
the leverage and a lot of situations is on the
is on the football team. If you do sit out right,
like it's they have the leverage because if you don't
if you don't play, you don't get paid. Right, that's
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the hard part about sitting out. And is he gonna
do it all season? I mean the Giants don't care, Oh,
you missed two weeks of training camp whatever, and now
LeVar two. Remember when guys used to miss training camp
for holdouts, NFL teams would often rescind the fine when
they owed back up. You can't do that anymore the CBA,
(20:03):
the new CBA. If you get fined, you get fined.
So now you're gonna get fined millions of dollars for
missing training camp on top of not possibly making money
during the season if you sit out. I mean, Le'Veon
Bell never recovered. He never made that fourteen million dollars back.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So if I was Saquon, I I love the hardline stance, right,
I mean, all great things right now, But to me,
you got to come up and you gotta play right
like you you can't forego a season of thirteen. What's
the franchise tag guy for running backs? You can't forego
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you know the it's it's ten point ten point woman.
You can't forego that money this season. I do think
he shows up eventually because I think he's smarter than
maybe you know his stance right now, but I get
his anger. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you
should get paid more. Your position should be more valued.
But the Giants this year, LeVar or what will be
(21:03):
make or break on Daniel Jones improvement. Absolutely, that's it.
Not on whether Saquon's there or not. Unfortunately, sorry Saquon.
It's gonna be on whether Daniel Jones is better not
better hand the ball off to you, not better thrown
screen passes to you, better off as an overall quarterback
in the National Football League, because right now you could
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your division and Daniel Jones at best is third best
quarterback in your division, which is not good, not a
good place to be in. Right The third best quarterback
doesn't win the division often so he can play over
his skis improved. So he threw for only fifteen touchdowns
last season, like he threw I know he ran for
I get the number here he ran He ran for
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some as well. He ran for for seven. That's twenty
two touchdowns at your quarterback position. That's not getting it
done right, Like you need more from You need more
production from Jones. They improve the wide receiving group, they
proved off its line. We should we should see better.
But the Giants are gonna win or lose based off
of jones improvement, not whether bark the building or not.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
See I'm I'm on the I'm on the fence about
it a little bit. I actually think the running back
for quarterbacks like Daniel Jones are imperative to their their success.
I think we're going to find a lot about a lot.
We're going to find out a lot about Kirk Cousins
this season without having Dalvin Cook. I I'm not certain
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why the why the the position has been devalued so much,
but I will say when I think about what football
has always represented, football has always represented establishing yourselves up front,
which it's still that still exists. Establishing the front, whether
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the offensive front can can impose their will upon the
defensive front or vice versa. That has always been. If
anyone wants to understand where football is won and lost,
it's in the trenches. And a part of that conversation
is while you're establishing that you're softening the belly by
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running the ball. Yes, it's always been a necessary evil
to what football represents, and at one point in time,
that's really all there really was was run the ball,
you know, and that mentality that philosophy has has slowly,
(23:33):
I don't want to say deteriorated, but it is eroded.
This is a past first league. You would have people
would have gotten physically ill, possibly even vomited if you
said in connection and relation to football that it's a
past first game. It's a pass first sport. But it
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is now it is, and that's not that's it does.
Doesn't seem like it's a trend that's going to change
and go back, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But it's interesting because it is a pass for sport. However,
the two best offensive lines play in the Super Bowl
last year, right, like you have to pass, But then
when you come the postseason, it's like, wow, we kind
of want to run the ball a little bit. Like
because here's the thing, guys, I'm a big believer in
analytics in football, not everything. I think some of it's
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a little a little too over overdone for the average fan,
But I get the point of it and I use
it in my work. But you cannot you cannot value
There's no value to put on. As you mentioned it,
the physical part of the game that comes from beating
someone up in the trenches. There's no value puts to that.
(24:48):
You were on the oppositiite of me. Right, you played linebacker,
I played offensive line. There's nothing you can You can't
put a number on the fourth quarter eyes an offensive
lineman have beat on you all game, and now it's
time to win the game, and I get to do
it again and again and again. And that feeling that
the defender has of helplessness, We've all seen it. It
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goes the other way around too, right when a defensive lignment,
when a defensive linement is the other way right, when
they're beating us up. Right, But there's a physical part
to that that game where you can't measure that, and
it has to start in the offensive defensive line. And
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that that is in essence what wins in the postseason. Right,
he's being able to establish that toughness. Look at the
Eagles last year, right, the best office on the football,
no mistake, different Super Bowl Chiefs offensive line one of
the best in the football, and in the postasont played
played incredibly well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And running backs.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
There's no surprise that these physical teams are in the postseason,
so you know, I think that's still a big part
of the game, being able to push people around. Even
though the running back itself that position might not be
as valued, there is a value in being a physical,
physical team in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
If the value is at ten million for the franchise
tag and the offer was for thirteen million and he
wanted sixteen million, I mean, does that sixteen million qualify
as being a fair askue, like in your assessment and
your assumption or you feel as though I think I
(26:32):
did hear you say that that that was too much.
What qualifies if it's too much or if it's the
right ask.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm gonna pull up the running back contracts right now,
but I think that I think that the Giants are like, yeah,
we're just not paying you like a top as a
top guy. Christian McCaffrey makes sixteen million dollars a year,
so he's the highest the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So that's that's where that came from. So say Kwon
Barkley wants to be paid like Christian mccafs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Dereck Henry is at twelve, Chubbs at twelve, Joe Mixon
is at twelve. So like I think the Giants like, yeah,
we'll pay you slightly more than those guys, you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Know, right, but we're not going to go up where
where Caffrey is.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, so that's where that number came from. So that's
where I think the Giants and and take one or
at odds. Right, of course you're your agent's gonna and look,
I have no problem with Saquon's stance, and this is
what acceptable stance.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
The thing about it, too, is that he has been
He was healthy his first year, He's not healthy the
next two years, and now he was healthy in last year.
I think there's maybe concern at that position about health
as well. That's a be those guys get beat up
and running back many'll y'll put y'all, y'all hit. There
are times when I was playing LeVar where I'd be
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blocking and I would hear the running back get hit,
and I think to myself, like that guy's dead.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like he thought that at times too, Like.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
The guy hit so hard, there's no way that he's
getting up. And it's it's a it's a position where
you just take a physical pounding by the opposition, and
there's a shelf life with with backs that I think
teams are afraid of. And if you pay the quarterback,
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they pay the running bok all that money. There's a
concern that he can't stay healthy and now we're out
of money. You know, you look at the top of
this list. For the most part, these these guys have
to healthy. We know Derek Henry's had some issues, but
Alvin Kimara, you know, might be suspended for part of
the season, you know, the I don't think that's an
issue for the Saints as far as salary. They won't
pay him during that time, but you know, making sure
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these guys are are ready to go. Here's also an
issue with with with paying these guys. You ready. So
McCaffrey was a new addition, obviously to the Niners this year.
They won what one playoff game? This should be two
playoff games?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Alvin Kimara no playoff games, Dereck Henry no playoffs last year,
Nick Chubb no playoffs last year. Joe Mixon Bengals correct playoffs,
Aaron Jones zero playoff wins, Tony Pollard, Right, did the
Cowboys win a playoff game last year. No last year.
Josh Jacobs No, Sekhon Barkley, Yes, they won a playoff game.
James Connor is like next up here? No, Miles Sanders, Yes,
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with the Eagles went to a part of the success.
Austin Eckler no playoff game, no playoff win last year.
Dan Montgomery no playoffs last year. See him getting at
like it's it's it's a again, dude. I blocked for
Jamal Charles, Adrian Peterson. Who'd be in the Hall of Fame.
Jamal Charles. I think if play would have played three
or four more years, would have been in the Hall
of Fame. Jonathan Stewart and Dangel Williams incredible running backs,
(29:41):
guys that led the league in rushing, almost had the
rushing record. Like great guys, They've made my career. But
sitting in this chair now, it's like, yeah, I get
why teams are like, yeah, we're just not giving you
that money.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, the position has continue to evolve. It sixteen million
to match McCaffrey does seem a little bit ambitious. I
hope he doesn't hold out. Jeff. I hope that he
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doesn't sit out because he's gone through so much to
be able to get back to having that amazing season
that he had. I will say, I do not think
that Daniel Jones is able to have a successful year
if he doesn't have that production that came from Saquon
(30:36):
Barkley's legs. If I'm a betting man and I'm gambling
on myself and I'm saying, Daniel Jones, the correlation of
success has come directly through my production. The New York Giants,
I'm saying to myself, The New York Giants know this,
(30:56):
and I'm hoping that they I'm back with a number.
Maybe it's not sixteen million. Nobody's going to get to
DeShawn Jackson or Deshaun Watson's contract as a quarterback. I mean,
not anytime soon. I would think, no matter how good
you are. So if I can get somewhere near that
as a quarterback, if I'm thinking as a running back
(31:19):
in this moment, if I can get somewhere near where
McCaffrey is, and like you said above, the other guys
like Henry and those other guys, then then I should
look at that as that's a win. And hopefully they
you know, I know, they rescind it. The offer but
maybe they put the offer back on the table. You know,
(31:41):
maybe they put the offer back on the table and
they put a couple more incentives or a couple more
dollars in there where you can make him feel like
he got a win and ultimately the franchise has got
to win because I just think it throws off the
equilibrium of this team if they don't have this, you know,
if they don't have Saquon on the on the roster.
(32:04):
To me, that just think it's imperative to have them.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You can never have enough good players on the roster, right,
So if he's not there, Like, do I think the
run game is gonna be terribly affected overall in the
season if he's not there the whole year? Maybe? Maybe not,
Maybe it is. I mean, but again, Saquan is an
incredible talent, and you could never have enough incredible talented
players on your football team. You just can't. So did
(32:27):
we miss him when it changed their success of the
season like wins and losses wise? I don't know. Probably not,
But just because I think that they're so related that
so relin on Daniel Jones being being the guy you
know that I don't think it matters terribly much, but
you can never have enough good players on your team.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, we're going to find out. I mean, if if
he's there, we won't find out, but if he isn't there,
we certainly will find out if Daniel Jones and company
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Speaker 6 (34:29):
Good morning everybody, Good morning, Good morning Jeff. And in
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Speaker 4 (34:44):
That's right, that's my name baby. In case you missed it.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Tomorrow, Hamlin at the SP's last night was there to
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Speaker 1 (34:55):
Welcome this year's recipient of the Pat Tillman Award for Service.
The train is out of Buffalo, Bills.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Quite a moment there.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
You can't quite see or tell from the sound, but uh,
quite an emotional moment they spent. They spent a good
amount of time there on stage embracing each other. So yeah,
quite a moment there last night for demorrow Ham.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's pretty cool. But man, they could have played that.
Award music sounds so Award show music sounds so bad. Bro,
It's just so corny and cheesy and and just not
like real, like genuine. It's like fake.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
But at that moment you didn't need award music. But
awesome moment anyways, to honor the Bills training step again
and they saved the life, like legit like saved the life.
So they deserve credit for that obviously. It's an incredible
thing they did on the field. You know, I didn't
know that they practice I mean, I I guess I
assume they have practiced life saving measures like that, but
to do it as quickly as they did, you know,
(35:57):
under the amounts of immense pressure they had, was an
incredible job. They deserve every honor we can be bestowed
to them.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I tend to agree on that. You know, it's
a great moment, great moment, So congrats to them, and
obviously I'm certain Damar is super super thankful and grateful
for them and what they were able to do. So
shouts out to them, all right, what else we got leak?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Also from the SP's last night, Patrick Mahomes taken away
the awards for best NFL Player as well as Best
Male Athlete of the Year. It's kind of like when
a player wins Best Offensive Player of the Year NF.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Is there any sound on that?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
No, No, I spared you guys on that one.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
But who do you think might be a good candidate
for next year after they you know, share the love
and go away from Patrick Mahomes On.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The football side, I think it's Joe Burrow other sports,
I mean, I feel like shohe o tani. I mean,
I best male athlete is probably I mean, I don't
know how you get better than the best at your end,
hitter and me all day small, but football, I think
Joe Burrow. I bet Joe Burrow man, I think he's
(37:08):
really good.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Outside of Patrick Mahomes, I mean for next season. That's
that's a really hard one. I mean, I like Joe
Burrow that that that's definitely could be an easy one.
I don't know that he even comes out of his
his division as the best quarterback next year. I'm not
(37:36):
a man. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I
don't think a receiver is going to get it. It
would have to be a quarterback. And if it's not
Joe Burrow or Aaron or Or or Patrick Mahomes, I mean,
who is it. It's not gonna be Aaron Rodgers. I
(37:57):
don't know. I'm not sold on it, so I don't.
I don't know. I would have to say I'm inconclusive
on that one.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
League all good and piggybacking off of our story to
start the show off of HBO Hard Knocks with the Jets,
and obviously Netflix's quarterback In case you missed this, Johnny
Manziel unveiled a Netflix documentary, Untold Johnny Football, coming out
August eighth, only on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So yeah, the trend keeps going.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I don't need that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I'll watch it because I just I know how popular
he was and just how quickly that that shooting star
disappeared into the night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
My brother was there in Cleveland with the Mitch always
said that Johnny Manziel could have been a really good
Anvil quarterback if he'll put it all together.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, you know that's part of it, right, So that's
that's one of those sad stories. I'm curious to see
what what the documentary unfails. I mean, I like the
Little Man ty Teo deal. Oh that was super entertaining,
So I think this has this has kind of that
type of allure to it, So I'll watch it.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
In the realm of what could have been.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Ed O was rumored to be in the works for
a Northwestern but that quickly got refuted.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Gojo?
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you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I am doing fantastic. I know. We talked to early
in the week about sleep right, Yeah, you're more of
a napper. And I went to bed so early last night.
I am refreshed. I got a full eight and a
half hours last night.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sound refreshed.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Man, Yeah, dude, I got like I went to bed
like like forty nine. I was like, I'm going to bed.
I was like, I put I put my daughter to bed.
I'm like united, honey, I'm mommy and daddy. We are going,
We're out, We're out cold out. And uh I slepped
a lot. I'm like pumped.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, it was great, like lightweight hypernation.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Huh, dude, I can sleep man, Like my son can
like that. We can. We're a sleeping family. We can.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Are you a snore? Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah? I mean I'm big and fat, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You want to take a sniff before you answer that one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Only only on my when I snore on my back back.
I have that seat pap so, you know, but I
barely qualify for the seat pap, like I was like
one point enough to qualify. So it's not my sleep
apne is not terrible. But you know, for the for
the mayor, it's best that I wear my mask at night.
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Good for you, Yeah, good, good for you being considerate
of her versus you just being safety and you know safe.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
She's just like but also to like a little a
little selfish, like I don't want to be like punched
every night or kicked to stop snoring either, So I'd
rather just sleep the night without having my spouse push
me in the back every time I snore.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Have you ever woke up with your head sore from
getting hit bike? Every once in a while, I will,
I don't know, but every once in a while I'll
wake up with my head sore, and I'll be like,
why do I have a pain on my head? Like that, like, man,
it feels kind of weird. Then I kind of start
thinking about, like, man, did she like pop me upside
the head to like stop me from like snoring? But
(03:32):
I always felt like when I when I get into
like snore mode, I wake myself up like that.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's why it's why it's bad for you.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The moment, the moment i'd like get a like a
really hard snore, like I can hear it in my
sleep and it wakes me up, Like oh no, no, no,
I ain't with them. I'm not with that whole crazy
snoring type deal, like the noise of it, and every
once in a while, like I will snore. I'm not
a snore. I'm not a big snore, but when I do,
(04:03):
you know, it happens like I wake myself up. But
speaking of not snoring or snoring, I don't know if
this is a snoozer or if this is a winner
of a discussion. But the Jets have been selected for
hpo's Hard Knocks. I find them to be the most
interesting team to be selected to do the show this year.
(04:27):
It's interesting in June, I want to say earlier late June.
I'm not sure, Lee was it early or late June,
Robert Sala had something to say.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
This was early June, first week of June, June ninth.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, there you go. Here's what Robert Salah had to
say about being on hard knocks.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I hadn't done word or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I know, for I know there's several teams that would
love for hard Knocks to be in their building. We're
just not one of them. So very dry humor, very
dry humor indeed, but nonetheless got his point across that
he did not want any parts of being on heart knocks. Now,
(05:07):
my first inclination connected to why he wouldn't want to
be on heart knocks is everyone is placing a bullseye
on the New York Jets for the simple fact that
they have Aaron Rodgers. They have Aaron Rodgers, and this
is a team personnel wise, that is a good looking team.
(05:30):
It's a vulnerable division, and a lot of people are
basically saying that the New York Jets should be a
team that's in the running. I would assume for a coach,
you might want to pull your hair out if you
had some if you were Robert Salah, if you had
to expose any aspects of what it is that you
(05:51):
guys have going on in that building. Because quite frankly,
while we know that this is a team that personnel
wise is upgraded and is better, I don't know that
I would want people to see the inner workings of
what we're doing because we haven't become a winner yet
and that could be concerning, That could be distracting having
(06:14):
those cameras around, it could be a tab bit intrusive. Uh,
there's just a lot of emotions as a coach. I'm
sure that that Robert sala is feeling about doing Hard
Knocks this year.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Jeff So, I love so much that they hated this
before it even happened, Like it's just excellent. It's just
it's great for the base of the show to be
the team that we're doing hates that we're in the building, Okay,
because the show can kind of go many different ways.
It's got I like watching all this content, man. I
(06:48):
don't know why. Maybe because I'm not in the lockerom anymore,
I'm not playing anymore. But I just love any of
these shows, right and at some point today I hope
we get to the Quarterback Show on Netflix. It's fantastic.
I watched I watched the Hard Knocks, I watch all
of it. Okay, Now, Hard Knocks obviously was far better
when they kind of gave us more access to players
being released, which is the hardest part of the show.
(07:09):
But at least we got to see some of that,
right and some of the some of the meetings the
coaches had and scouts had. So they've cut back on that,
and so there's been to me, it's missing some sort
of drama each year. Right now. The lines were good
last year because Dan Campbell, he's just a personality, right
They wanted it there. The Jets don't want this there.
(07:29):
So it's gonna go one of two ways. It's either
gonna be a terrible show because they're just gonna avoid
everything and everything out, or what I think it's gonna
be is fantastic because of Aaron Rodgers and because everything
they're trying to build there with the team, with the
cameras there and the pressure of year one. But here's
the deal, man, y'all signed a quarterback who likes to
(07:54):
make news, right, who likes to be opinionated. Those are
things are totally fine. I've no problem with Aaron Rodgers
saying whatever he wants to say, but they captures the
attention of TV executives deciding whether or not they're going
to put a team on Hard Knocks. Oh guess what,
we have a team with Aaron Rodgers. Who a new
team who we might get like one quote episode talk
(08:17):
about something that people think he's crazy about.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Great, sign him up.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But he's gonna talk about ayahuasca and mushrooms in an episode. Awesome,
talk about this and that? Awesome, like you know what
I mean, like Lvar, Like they they didn't do it
to themselves because they wanted in Rodgers. But you, of
course they were gonna choose you guys because of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I mean, you had the Washington Commanders, which we'll talk
about them as well at some point there. I mean
that might have been the only other interesting team that
was on the list was Washington.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
All right, just we'll talk about the other Washington stories now,
but just for the team itself, they're not if your
quarterback is not somewhat interest staying, it's not that tough
and and Washington's core situation, unless unless it's it's more
of a focus on on Eric b Enemy, which I
(09:12):
think would be great to highlight, right sure, or you
know Ron Rivera, we know who Ron Rivera is and
you can you could frame this season if Hard Knocks
is doing it that way, is like, you know, this
is a makeup break for Ron Rivera, which is I
think it totally is a make or break for him. Yeah,
those are great, but I don't know. Washington made didn't
feel like the best option. The Jets were the only option.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Saw Jets Jets like absolutely, you're in the New York market,
didn't you didn't want this? And again the teams have
saying what gets aired and what doesn't get aired, so
you know we're not gonna maybe get as much as
we can. But again they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers saying
something nut. So every episode it's all the matter. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers goes viral when he was doing I don't
know if he still does McAfee. You know, he would
(09:55):
say one thing a week during the season and he'd
be like, what is this guy talking about U? Or
you'd be like, yeah, heck, yeah, Aaron, you said the
thing that no one else can say. Like, you know,
there was always something viral, you know, for for him
to put out there and HBO is hoping that's what
happens with hard Knocks.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I just wonder if I'm Robert Salat, like, I've never
done Hard Knocks, but would you would you think that
the biggest trepidation for a coach is a player paints
themselves in the wrong light? Or what I mean? What
(10:33):
why such a hard line stance against doing a show
that the NFL requires a team to do during the
course of the year. What I mean, why does a
coach take this type of stance? Why not just go
with it?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, a couple things. One is, you know, we talk
about this word distraction, right, a distraction in the locker room. Yeah,
and that's code for basically anything out of the ordinary.
It does matter what it is, right because you're you know,
there's a routine in a locker room, in a building,
(11:13):
there's a schedule, there's a rhythm and flow, and anything
outside of of the players and coaches focusing on that schedule,
on that rhythm and flow is considered distraction. Right. And
with cameras now in the locker room, with cameras in
the meeting room, with having to do you know, those
those those sit downs right with with HBO you know,
(11:36):
having to discuss life, having a film outside of the facility,
like all those things to coaches, especially younger head coaches,
are distractions, right for most obviously Dan Campbell didn't care
last year. But I think for Roberts All, who's fighting
for a playoff berth this year because they don't have one.
(11:56):
He's not going to be a coach next season. He's
fighting for his job this year, right, and I think
he've used anything outside of helping his team get to
that spot is a distraction, something that they do not want.
I don't think it's going to be about, you know,
a player of paints on the bad light, unless it's
Rogers again. Because here's what happens our you know this.
I'm not telling you you don't know, but you know,
(12:18):
Aaron Rodgers says something. You know, HBO comes out on
Tuesdays or Wednesdays, they get a couple of Aaron Rodgers
saying something ridiculous and then gets asked about that on Wednesday.
Robert's all it does. Aaron Rodgers does the next seventeen
players who go to the podium after practice. That's what
That's what coaches don't want that. That's a distraction to
them might not be to me and you and anyone listening,
(12:40):
and maybe some players that bid don't even care. But
that's what coaches want to avoid the distraction of, you know,
of you know, the the cameras being around, thinking having
players everything think about the cameras being around, and then
obviously a player, you know, saying something that gets caught
on a hot mic, gets caught doing this and that,
and they have to extend explain themselves going forward, and
(13:03):
so coaches don't want they want to avoid all of
that as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Well, I'll tell you what, that's the one team that
I said to myself, I'm going to watch Hard Knocks
if they're on. So they won, because I think that
that's one of those those teams with a player polarizing
players such as Aaron Rodgers, you gotta growing. You got
a growing star study group on that team as well.
(13:30):
I mean, I think Sas Gardner will most likely be
entertaining as well. There'll be some entertaining characters that develop
on this show. So I'm pretty excited to actually watch
Hard Knocks. I wasn't going to watch and I haven't
watched Hard Knocks, but I will give it a chance
just because they chose the team. To me, that seems
to be most interesting. So anyway, that's Jeff Schwartz. He
(13:53):
gave you some great perspective on it. And I'm LeVar Arrington.
This is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe and
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we'll discuss Sekwon Barkley. It's getting closer and closer to
that time where signing that franchise tag. Well, the deadline
is fast approaching. Will he get a deal done? Will
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he sign the franchise tag or will he hold out?
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this off season with several big name running backs with
well kind of an in limbo type of scenario that's
at play for them right now, and one of those
those running backs being Saquon Barkley. The time is running
(15:46):
out for the franchise tag to be signed. It looks
as though he's taking a hard line stance on wanting
a long term contract that is fair and I guess
the proper compensation that he's deserving of, And it doesn't
look as though New York agrees with what he he's requesting.
(16:10):
How do you see this ending? Is this a is
this a holdout scenario? And I mean if this is
a holdout for for Saquon, what is this? What does
this mean for him? What does this mean for the
running backs position?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So, I, like every former player roots for you know,
each of us get the most money we could ever
make in a career. Right, It's what we all root for.
It's you know, it's a short career, and you hope
that everyone makes as much money as they can. Right.
And the Giants offered Saquan sixteen million a year, which
I think is too much anyways, and he turned that
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down because he Barkley wanted sixteen million a year. The
Giants offered thirteen. And that's whe're at the stalemate right now,
is they put the franchise tag on him. And they
pulled the offer that they had, which they told him
they would do if he didn't accept, and they franchised
tagged them. The unfortunate part about the running back position
is their individual value is not as high as other positions.
(17:10):
The running game is still important, but you can have
success without paying that running back all that money. Right.
For example, a couple examples. Right last year, when Christian
McCaffrey left the Carolina Panthers, what happened to the run game?
Do you remember last year? Don't? Yeah? It got better.
It got better. They were better as a team running
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the football where Christian McCaffrey was gone. They rushed for
two hundred and fifty yards in Week sixteen, they rushed
for assume me. Sorry, I take that back. They rushed
for three hundred and twenty yards in Week sixteen, two
hundred and twenty three yards in Week fourteen, two hundred
and thirty two yards in Week ten, one seventy three
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and one sixty nine, like, they rushed for a lot
of yards in a game last game of season one
seventy one without Christian McCaffrey in the lineup. We have
seen the Chiefs who had a first you know, they
had a first round running back who got hurt, really
hadn't contributed as much as he is everyone thought he
would have do. Anyways, they rolled a seventh round running back.
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The offense is just fine. There's so many examples of
offenses being just as good or better without that first
round running back or the running back you're paying a
lot of money to. I would argue that right now,
only one running back in the NFL who's paid on
that second contract has really been worth the money to
help their team win. Maybe maybe let's go one and
a half. You know, Derrick Henry's been been excellent, but
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but you know, the Tennessee's gone backwards, right and is
that his fault. I don't know, but you know, since
they signed him and Ryan Tannehill, they had one good
year and they've slid sort of backwards ever since. So
it wasn't worth paying Henry all that money. Sure, maybe,
but you know they didn't win with the thought that.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Now the way they're looking, it doesn't seem like it
would have been worth it to pay anyone.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The other one is Trician McCaffrey, who's doing good things
at A Francisco. Right, But again, does he make that
offense any better? Or is that quarterback situation make the offense?
Much like if you take McCaffrey out put anyone else,
is the offense sort of the same? I would agree yes,
if you put obviously a quarterback in there, that unlocks
everyone else being better. Right, So the values on, So
(19:20):
I get teams saying, look, man, they love Saquon Barkley
as a person. He's a great guy, but look, we're
just not gonna pay you as much money if you're Barkley.
Now you can threaten to sit out. I mean, you know,
the leverage and a lot of situations is on the
is on the football team. If you do sit out right,
like it's they have the leverage because if you don't
if you don't play, you don't get paid. Right, that's
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the hard part about sitting out. And is he gonna
do it all season? I mean the Giants don't care, Oh,
you missed two weeks of training camp whatever, and now
LeVar two. Remember when guys used to miss training camp
for holdouts, NFL teams would often rescind the fine when
they owed back up. You can't do that anymore the CBA,
(20:03):
the new CBA. If you get fined, you get fined.
So now you're gonna get fined millions of dollars for
missing training camp on top of not possibly making money
during the season if you sit out. I mean, Le'Veon
Bell never recovered. He never made that fourteen million dollars back.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So if I was Saquon, I I love the hardline stance, right,
I mean, all great things right now, But to me,
you got to come up and you gotta play right
like you you can't forego a season of thirteen. What's
the franchise tag guy for running backs? You can't forego
(20:40):
you know the it's it's ten point ten point woman.
You can't forego that money this season. I do think
he shows up eventually because I think he's smarter than
maybe you know his stance right now, but I get
his anger. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you
should get paid more. Your position should be more valued.
But the Giants this year, LeVar or what will be
(21:03):
make or break on Daniel Jones improvement. Absolutely, that's it.
Not on whether Saquon's there or not. Unfortunately, sorry Saquon.
It's gonna be on whether Daniel Jones is better not
better hand the ball off to you, not better thrown
screen passes to you, better off as an overall quarterback
in the National Football League, because right now you could
(21:23):
your division and Daniel Jones at best is third best
quarterback in your division, which is not good, not a
good place to be in. Right The third best quarterback
doesn't win the division often so he can play over
his skis improved. So he threw for only fifteen touchdowns
last season, like he threw I know he ran for
I get the number here he ran He ran for
(21:44):
some as well. He ran for for seven. That's twenty
two touchdowns at your quarterback position. That's not getting it
done right, Like you need more from You need more
production from Jones. They improve the wide receiving group, they
proved off its line. We should we should see better.
But the Giants are gonna win or lose based off
of jones improvement, not whether bark the building or not.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
See I'm I'm on the I'm on the fence about
it a little bit. I actually think the running back
for quarterbacks like Daniel Jones are imperative to their their success.
I think we're going to find a lot about a lot.
We're going to find out a lot about Kirk Cousins
this season without having Dalvin Cook. I I'm not certain
(22:26):
why the why the the position has been devalued so much,
but I will say when I think about what football
has always represented, football has always represented establishing yourselves up front,
which it's still that still exists. Establishing the front, whether
(22:48):
the offensive front can can impose their will upon the
defensive front or vice versa. That has always been. If
anyone wants to understand where football is won and lost,
it's in the trenches. And a part of that conversation
is while you're establishing that you're softening the belly by
(23:12):
running the ball. Yes, it's always been a necessary evil
to what football represents, and at one point in time,
that's really all there really was was run the ball,
you know, and that mentality that philosophy has has slowly,
(23:33):
I don't want to say deteriorated, but it is eroded.
This is a past first league. You would have people
would have gotten physically ill, possibly even vomited if you
said in connection and relation to football that it's a
past first game. It's a pass first sport. But it
(23:56):
is now it is, and that's not that's it does.
Doesn't seem like it's a trend that's going to change
and go back, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But it's interesting because it is a pass for sport. However,
the two best offensive lines play in the Super Bowl
last year, right, like you have to pass, But then
when you come the postseason, it's like, wow, we kind
of want to run the ball a little bit. Like
because here's the thing, guys, I'm a big believer in
analytics in football, not everything. I think some of it's
(24:26):
a little a little too over overdone for the average fan,
But I get the point of it and I use
it in my work. But you cannot you cannot value
There's no value to put on. As you mentioned it,
the physical part of the game that comes from beating
someone up in the trenches. There's no value puts to that.
(24:48):
You were on the oppositiite of me. Right, you played linebacker,
I played offensive line. There's nothing you can You can't
put a number on the fourth quarter eyes an offensive
lineman have beat on you all game, and now it's
time to win the game, and I get to do
it again and again and again. And that feeling that
the defender has of helplessness, We've all seen it. It
(25:11):
goes the other way around too, right when a defensive lignment,
when a defensive linement is the other way right, when
they're beating us up. Right, But there's a physical part
to that that game where you can't measure that, and
it has to start in the offensive defensive line. And
(25:32):
that that is in essence what wins in the postseason. Right,
he's being able to establish that toughness. Look at the
Eagles last year, right, the best office on the football,
no mistake, different Super Bowl Chiefs offensive line one of
the best in the football, and in the postasont played
played incredibly well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And running backs.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
There's no surprise that these physical teams are in the postseason,
so you know, I think that's still a big part
of the game, being able to push people around. Even
though the running back itself that position might not be
as valued, there is a value in being a physical,
physical team in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
If the value is at ten million for the franchise
tag and the offer was for thirteen million and he
wanted sixteen million, I mean, does that sixteen million qualify
as being a fair askue, like in your assessment and
your assumption or you feel as though I think I
(26:32):
did hear you say that that that was too much.
What qualifies if it's too much or if it's the
right ask.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm gonna pull up the running back contracts right now,
but I think that I think that the Giants are like, yeah,
we're just not paying you like a top as a
top guy. Christian McCaffrey makes sixteen million dollars a year,
so he's the highest the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
So that's that's where that came from. So say Kwon
Barkley wants to be paid like Christian mccafs.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Dereck Henry is at twelve, Chubbs at twelve, Joe Mixon
is at twelve. So like I think the Giants like, yeah,
we'll pay you slightly more than those guys, you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Know, right, but we're not going to go up where
where Caffrey is.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, so that's where that number came from. So that's
where I think the Giants and and take one or
at odds. Right, of course you're your agent's gonna and look,
I have no problem with Saquon's stance, and this is
what acceptable stance.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL.
The thing about it, too, is that he has been
He was healthy his first year, He's not healthy the
next two years, and now he was healthy in last year.
I think there's maybe concern at that position about health
as well. That's a be those guys get beat up
and running back many'll y'll put y'all, y'all hit. There
are times when I was playing LeVar where I'd be
(27:46):
blocking and I would hear the running back get hit,
and I think to myself, like that guy's dead.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like he thought that at times too, Like.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
The guy hit so hard, there's no way that he's
getting up. And it's it's a it's a position where
you just take a physical pounding by the opposition, and
there's a shelf life with with backs that I think
teams are afraid of. And if you pay the quarterback,
(28:16):
they pay the running bok all that money. There's a
concern that he can't stay healthy and now we're out
of money. You know, you look at the top of
this list. For the most part, these these guys have
to healthy. We know Derek Henry's had some issues, but
Alvin Kimara, you know, might be suspended for part of
the season, you know, the I don't think that's an
issue for the Saints as far as salary. They won't
pay him during that time, but you know, making sure
(28:38):
these guys are are ready to go. Here's also an
issue with with with paying these guys. You ready. So
McCaffrey was a new addition, obviously to the Niners this year.
They won what one playoff game? This should be two
playoff games?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Alvin Kimara no playoff games, Dereck Henry no playoffs last year,
Nick Chubb no playoffs last year. Joe Mixon Bengals correct playoffs,
Aaron Jones zero playoff wins, Tony Pollard, Right, did the
Cowboys win a playoff game last year. No last year.
Josh Jacobs No, Sekhon Barkley, Yes, they won a playoff game.
James Connor is like next up here? No, Miles Sanders, Yes,
(29:16):
with the Eagles went to a part of the success.
Austin Eckler no playoff game, no playoff win last year.
Dan Montgomery no playoffs last year. See him getting at
like it's it's it's a again, dude. I blocked for
Jamal Charles, Adrian Peterson. Who'd be in the Hall of Fame.
Jamal Charles. I think if play would have played three
or four more years, would have been in the Hall
of Fame. Jonathan Stewart and Dangel Williams incredible running backs,
(29:41):
guys that led the league in rushing, almost had the
rushing record. Like great guys, They've made my career. But
sitting in this chair now, it's like, yeah, I get
why teams are like, yeah, we're just not giving you
that money.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, the position has continue to evolve. It sixteen million
to match McCaffrey does seem a little bit ambitious. I
hope he doesn't hold out. Jeff. I hope that he
(30:14):
doesn't sit out because he's gone through so much to
be able to get back to having that amazing season
that he had. I will say, I do not think
that Daniel Jones is able to have a successful year
if he doesn't have that production that came from Saquon
(30:36):
Barkley's legs. If I'm a betting man and I'm gambling
on myself and I'm saying, Daniel Jones, the correlation of
success has come directly through my production. The New York Giants,
I'm saying to myself, The New York Giants know this,
(30:56):
and I'm hoping that they I'm back with a number.
Maybe it's not sixteen million. Nobody's going to get to
DeShawn Jackson or Deshaun Watson's contract as a quarterback. I mean,
not anytime soon. I would think, no matter how good
you are. So if I can get somewhere near that
as a quarterback, if I'm thinking as a running back
(31:19):
in this moment, if I can get somewhere near where
McCaffrey is, and like you said above, the other guys
like Henry and those other guys, then then I should
look at that as that's a win. And hopefully they
you know, I know, they rescind it. The offer but
maybe they put the offer back on the table. You know,
(31:41):
maybe they put the offer back on the table and
they put a couple more incentives or a couple more
dollars in there where you can make him feel like
he got a win and ultimately the franchise has got
to win because I just think it throws off the
equilibrium of this team if they don't have this, you know,
if they don't have Saquon on the on the roster.
(32:04):
To me, that just think it's imperative to have them.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You can never have enough good players on the roster, right,
So if he's not there, Like, do I think the
run game is gonna be terribly affected overall in the
season if he's not there the whole year? Maybe? Maybe not,
Maybe it is. I mean, but again, Saquan is an
incredible talent, and you could never have enough incredible talented
players on your football team. You just can't. So did
(32:27):
we miss him when it changed their success of the
season like wins and losses wise? I don't know. Probably not,
But just because I think that they're so related that
so relin on Daniel Jones being being the guy you
know that I don't think it matters terribly much, but
you can never have enough good players on your team.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, we're going to find out. I mean, if if
he's there, we won't find out, but if he isn't there,
we certainly will find out if Daniel Jones and company
can carry the load. We are in the tire Rack
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Speaker 6 (34:29):
Good morning everybody, Good morning, Good morning Jeff. And in
case you missed it obviously yesterday at the end of
the show on you went or out, we all said
we were out on the SPS, so you might have.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
That's right, that's my name baby. In case you missed it.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Tomorrow, Hamlin at the SP's last night was there to
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Speaker 1 (34:55):
Welcome this year's recipient of the Pat Tillman Award for Service.
The train is out of Buffalo, Bills.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Quite a moment there.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
You can't quite see or tell from the sound, but uh,
quite an emotional moment they spent. They spent a good
amount of time there on stage embracing each other. So yeah,
quite a moment there last night for demorrow Ham.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's pretty cool. But man, they could have played that.
Award music sounds so Award show music sounds so bad. Bro,
It's just so corny and cheesy and and just not
like real, like genuine. It's like fake.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
But at that moment you didn't need award music. But
awesome moment anyways, to honor the Bills training step again
and they saved the life, like legit like saved the life.
So they deserve credit for that obviously. It's an incredible
thing they did on the field. You know, I didn't
know that they practice I mean, I I guess I
assume they have practiced life saving measures like that, but
to do it as quickly as they did, you know,
(35:57):
under the amounts of immense pressure they had, was an
incredible job. They deserve every honor we can be bestowed
to them.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I tend to agree on that. You know, it's
a great moment, great moment, So congrats to them, and
obviously I'm certain Damar is super super thankful and grateful
for them and what they were able to do. So
shouts out to them, all right, what else we got leak?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Also from the SP's last night, Patrick Mahomes taken away
the awards for best NFL Player as well as Best
Male Athlete of the Year. It's kind of like when
a player wins Best Offensive Player of the Year NF.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Is there any sound on that?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
No, No, I spared you guys on that one.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
But who do you think might be a good candidate
for next year after they you know, share the love
and go away from Patrick Mahomes On.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The football side, I think it's Joe Burrow other sports,
I mean, I feel like shohe o tani. I mean,
I best male athlete is probably I mean, I don't
know how you get better than the best at your end,
hitter and me all day small, but football, I think
Joe Burrow. I bet Joe Burrow man, I think he's
(37:08):
really good.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Outside of Patrick Mahomes, I mean for next season. That's
that's a really hard one. I mean, I like Joe
Burrow that that that's definitely could be an easy one.
I don't know that he even comes out of his
his division as the best quarterback next year. I'm not
(37:36):
a man. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I
don't think a receiver is going to get it. It
would have to be a quarterback. And if it's not
Joe Burrow or Aaron or Or or Patrick Mahomes, I mean,
who is it. It's not gonna be Aaron Rodgers. I
(37:57):
don't know. I'm not sold on it, so I don't.
I don't know. I would have to say I'm inconclusive
on that one.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
League all good and piggybacking off of our story to
start the show off of HBO Hard Knocks with the Jets,
and obviously Netflix's quarterback In case you missed this, Johnny
Manziel unveiled a Netflix documentary, Untold Johnny Football, coming out
August eighth, only on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So yeah, the trend keeps going.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I don't need that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I'll watch it because I just I know how popular
he was and just how quickly that that shooting star
disappeared into the night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
My brother was there in Cleveland with the Mitch always
said that Johnny Manziel could have been a really good
Anvil quarterback if he'll put it all together.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, you know that's part of it, right, So that's
that's one of those sad stories. I'm curious to see
what what the documentary unfails. I mean, I like the
Little Man ty Teo deal. Oh that was super entertaining,
So I think this has this has kind of that
type of allure to it, So I'll watch it.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
In the realm of what could have been.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Ed O was rumored to be in the works for
a Northwestern but that quickly got refuted.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So can you imagine that?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Gojo?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I don't know. Anyway, we got our two of two
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