July 18, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs contemplate holdouts and the guys wonder what drastic steps running backs can take to raise their value. ‘Hard Knocks’ gets forced down the throat of the Jets but can the show evolve? And Brian Kelly sounds lazy when comparing LSU and Notre Dame.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Arings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Ten thousand, Yeah, well or ten million. If you're running
back in the NFL, you better, Yeah, you have.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
A franch ten million. That was a bar. That was
a bar. That was good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That was good, uh Man, Saquon just, I don't I
don't know that I had any sort of expectations that
they were going to get a deal done, like I know,
deadlines due deals, But it felt like if something was
going to get done, we'd be at the point to
where it would have gotten done already. Tony Pollard already
signed his deal. He was coming off the off season
(00:51):
surgery that he he went through, so probably felt like
it would behove him to sign the deal and get
the franchise number in. But Josh Jacobs and and Saquon Barkley,
both those guys did not get a long term deal
done before this deadline yesterday at four pm Eastern time. Thus,
here we go, either you're signing the franchise tag or
(01:12):
we figure this out. But it looks like neither is
going to show up to camp. And this is where
we are with it when it comes to the running
back position.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I want to I mean I want to hear cues.
I want I kind of want to hear his his
input on it, because I don't really understand what happens
after you you've declared that you're not going to sign, Like,
what happens now? Like, are you still able to get
a long term deal done? What is the what does
(01:40):
the deadline mean? Okay, you don't have to get fine
for not reporting the camp?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
What like?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
What are the implications of them not signing the tag?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean the implications are you know, you're not
going to define it for anything because you're technically not
under contract, right right, So that's the first step. But
if you try to set out the entire year like
we saw saw with Le'Veon Bell, you find yourself in
the exact same spot next.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Year and you don't earn anything.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
You will, you won't make any money, so they'll still
be able to utilize a tag on you, and you know,
then you're probably more seriously taken by the team that
you're unhappy with the situation. You want a long term
deal so you'll get dealt But that's where they're at
right now. Now, if you sign your franchise tender, then
you're under contract, so you're subject to any other fines
(02:31):
if you don't show up or you you know, technically
hold out if you don't, if you if you don't
want to come, because you're under contract, all those things
are are still applied.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So that's what that's are because you can't do the
long term deal. You cannot do a long.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Past. Now, there's a misconception.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know, technically you could get paid more for this year,
the team could come back to you and pay you
more for this year under one year deal. That that
could happen, but it very rarely ever happens. So there
are some misconceptions to what this year's contract looks like.
But that is essentially the framework of what they're what
they're going to play under.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So it's franchise tag or nothing this year. For Saquon
and Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That is correct.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And Tony Pollard for that, well, he signed, he signed right, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They and they could pull it right and and both
because that's what happened with Josh Norman, right, Josh Norman
was on the tag in Carolina and then all of
a sudden, they pulled it and he went and signed
with Washington, Right, I remember that happening, But huh, I
just I don't know, Like I understand the running back
complaint and the issue, and it sucks, Like I feel
(03:42):
bad for them, and I feel bad for anybody in
a line of worker in an industry that's starting to
get phased out. It's like newspapers, Like, I feel bad.
It's it's awful, But.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I thought you got the newspaper.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, listen, I like it in the you know, the
ink on my thumbs, you know, I do like that,
you know, trying to brush off my thumb ring a
little bit of ink when you're reading the newspaper. But again,
that's a struggling industry. It's a struggling business.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I feel bad dedicated to that thumber, I.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Definitely am can't get it off. That's a problem. So
I feel bad that they have to go through this.
But I understand, well, I understand why teams are in
the position they're in, and I understand why teams are
doing what they're doing because the game has changed. It's
a passing game, and they put more of an emphasis
(04:30):
on passing the ball and throwing the football. So running
backs in turn have started to become I don't know
phased out is the right term to use, but they
have started to become on the back burner a little
bit in comparison to the priority of passing the football.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
And so that's an argument though that really doesn't have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Merit to it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
If you look at the amount of touches though that
a running back gets between carries and receptions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Their importance is still there, still there. Yeah, I agree, And.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So that's where like, like I get it, Like I
understand that the game has changed. It's got more of
a passing game, and teams are throwing the football, you know,
closer to fifty five to sixty percent of the time.
Maybe in some cases, there are still some teams who
run the football over fifty percent now. Granted, those teams
like the Atlanta Falcons for that matter, that had a
rookie running back last year, right, I mean, Cordie or
(05:23):
Patterson played a role in that too, But Tyler Aljeer
was their running back and he had hit a heck
of a rookie year.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And they're gonna be running the ball lot this year too.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, that's not going to change. My whole point is
they're the running back position.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Is one that is unique compared to a lot of
others in the way that it's impacted by a new
working class.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I think if if if the NFL PA we're smart,
they do a couple of things. They would first try
to go and see if they can allow and this
is something that they need to kind of push for
because players have tried in the past hasn't work. Maurice
Coloret is the first that comes to mind, But I
(06:12):
don't know. The running backs coming out of college need.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
To be three years removed from high school, you know.
Leonard Fournette was the most recent one. In my mind.
When I saw him as a freshman, I was like,
that dude could play in the NFL right now.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, Like he can go play in the NFL right now,
and anything he does after this is only going to
potentially put wear and tear on him and potentially put
him at risk of injury.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
There's plenty of Georgia.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Running backs who fell into that same category too, by
the way, and Alabama running backs for that matter.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So I do think there needs to be some sort
of movement there.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I think the other thing they could do to help
them out is say we want to for this particular
position remove the franchise tag so you no longer in
a rookie deal have ability to franchise tag about the
end of their five year deal if it's a first
round pick, you know, four round deal, or excuse me,
a four year deal if it's a second round pick
or after like, all those things should be things that
(07:12):
the union is fighting for. It's It's what's sad to
me is when you hear running backs say we need
a new union, we need to do our It's like, dude, no,
that's that's why you pay your dues. Like, that's why
you pay thousands of dollars a year to a union
to protect your rights. And you might be frustrated with
the economics right now of the NFL, and some people
(07:33):
out there might be listening saying, hey, man, like my
job is going to go away because of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I don't feel bad. Already gone away?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Yeah like that, Like that's just part of how life works.
Things grow and evolve, and you can't evolve, then you're out.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, and look, we I'll put it this way, like
notre Dame. For example, we had a running back.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He's gonna play a slot receiver, and it's important to
get an opportunity this year, but it's also important and
maybe the best thing for his career moving forward. He's
more of a kind of airback, faster player, good returner.
But now you put him out in space, you put
them on a slot, you put them in different spots.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He might say he might come back ten years from
now ago.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I mean, I'm still playing in the NFL because I
changed from a running back to a slot back, and
I now have a shot playing in a sustained way.
So you know, some people would sit there and listen
to us and say, man, these guys need to adapter.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That's just part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But there still needs to be something done by the
NFLPA Union or some sort of efforts instead of these
players feeling like they're on an island all by themselves.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
It seems like a very, very compromised position to be in.
But it has happened. I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, if you look at how many fullbacks are left,
I think there's like a handful of fullbacks that are left.
And fullbacks were just as critical as as the halfback, Like,
(09:02):
we don't even do that anymore, right, we don't do
two and three back. The two back is the half
back or the tailback. Three the three back is the fullback.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right, and those backs all the backs in the backfield. Right.
As a linebacker, you're like, oh, here we go, here
we go. These two.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Man the Slessingers and the Gashes and Arenzo Lorenzo Nils
like clabical busters like you know, Donell Bennett, Like these
these guys were were significant to two offenses in the
National Football League, and then they started turning into h backs,
(09:43):
like they slowly went from a full back to an
h back. And now what is it? Well, what is
an H back? Well, it's like kind of like a
tight end, but it's not a tight end. It's kind
of like a fullback, but it's not a fullback. It's
like they're a tweiner. They can block, but they can
also go out for passes. So now you're starting to
see guys like you just said, Q the Tariqu Hills
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of the world, right, the Deebo Samuels of the world.
They were probably natural tailbacks playing through through the years.
But you when you talk about that evolution. You're now
talking about a position where you have to almost be
status quo, able to do what an Alvin Kamara does,
(10:25):
able to do what a Deebo Samuel does, uh, Christian McCaffrey.
What they're able to do, you can't tell the difference
between them as a tailback or as a receiver. So
it's gonna it's gonna, I feel like the evolution of
football and where it's at with throwing the ball, the formations,
all of these these just the way, uh the game
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is going. You're gonna want to have a receiver back,
a back that's able to play receiver, a receiver that's
able to play back, and you can put them there
through movement motion to try to throw the defenses off.
You can actually make it easier. We had this conversation.
Linebackers are going to have to evolve as this this
(11:07):
process evolves, you won't need a linebacker like me. If
this continues to go the way that he is going,
it turns far. I know still, I know it turns it.
I know it turns into a defensive end situation.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You don't have to put on the red line shine.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
But so if you think about it, if you get
a running back that is able to slam the ball
in there like a Henry or or some like Adrian Peterson,
but they can go out in past situations. Now you've
actually given your offense more of an advantage really because
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you're you basically have safeties that are playing your outside backer.
You'll probably only have one back or left that's probably
more of a pure thumper and tackler, and that's going
to be a middle backer.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Can I Can I be real with you guys too.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I do feel like the specialization of quarterback at like
a grassroots youth to junior high at a high school
level has played a role in this.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I think you get quarterbacks who are so much better
prepared coming into the NFL from college, and that can
be via the private quarterback training and specialized training they're doing.
It can come via the seven on seven you know,
leagues and camps and things that they're a part of
as well, whether that's in the summer, in the spring,
(12:39):
all those things. You know, part of this is is
a byproduct of what's happening at around the running back position,
where you get quarterbacks who are coming in who don't
have really any fundamental flaws. I mean there, it's not
like you get these multi sport athletes where like I
played football, baseball, basketball growing up. You know, by the
time I was like feeling better and learning more about
(13:02):
you know, my like throwing motion for football, et cetera,
you were done.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I was done. Like I was like, Oh, I met
Tom House after I had a back injury my seventh
year in the league. I'm like, I wish I would
have met.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
This guy like ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You know, the stuff he was teaching me a kid
from the Midwest was drastically different about just everything from
like my ratational power, my prehab routines and creating more
mobility in my arm to create more power in my
throwing motion, like all the things he was teaching me.
I'm like, it's kind of depressing. I was like, want
of been great, Like ten years ago. Where were you then? Like, yeah,
(13:37):
thanks for telling me now I should have bought applestock
two decades ago.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Great. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But I think that plays a role too, because you
have guys who can come in and immediately not be
like trying to you know, developed or work on any fundamentals.
They're for the most part coming in and just getting
reps and experience and used to an NFL offense.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's more the mental side of the game more than
anything else.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And I think because of these guys come in and
they're ready and they play and they play well, and
you look at it that way, every team instead of saying, well,
let's let's make sure we you know, have this, this,
this all checked off, they go, no, we're just waiting
for that quarterback, that guy who's gonna be the high
tide that raises all the boats.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like that's what they look at it.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Because as much as you can have a Adrian Peterson
a running back, the reality is when you need to
throw the football on third and seven, he can't help you,
you know, and he's not gonna play. You know, he's
not gonna be a weapon or a factor. Now you
hope that he's he's running well enof on first and
second down, you don't get in third and seven plus.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But for most teams, you're.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Gonna find yourself in third and seven plus or if
you're on fourth and four. You know, if as more
teams adapt to go forward on fourth down, you're also
gonna find yourself one and to throw the football more
in those scenarios.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And that's where the running back. Running back position is
not gonna help you out.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
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Speaker 6 (15:15):
Sh shit, Yeah, do you feel like we need to
clue people in on why we're saying Cheyenne versus Fox?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
His Chyenne days? Week?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah? Two more days? Maybe, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
This is one of my favorite times of year to
be like kind of a fly on the wall to
watch LeVar go into what Cheyenne wild?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah, belt buckle, university.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Belt buckle, the boots just experienced stuff that you you
probably would.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Do a sweat once a year, LeVar. I would do
it a few times a year, you would.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I'm saying you only do it like once a year. Yeah,
it only happens once a year.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Plus you're all Jack now, so yeah, I am Jack.
You're gonna be wearing like a flannel, gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Be bursting outside I'm gonna cut the arms out of God.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You've been getting after it. I have bro sneakers.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I got tired of being, you know, part of like,
you know, just that lazy, lazy movement of not doing
anything with yourself type of person. I got tired of
seeing you guys at at different events and you're walking
around with your shirts tucked in stuff like that, and
mine will what was in my mind never going to
(16:36):
be tucked in and.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Which, by the way, I now found out what you
meant when you're like when aj was showing off his
figure the American Century Championship, I was like, oh, he
just met.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
He had his shirt tucked in.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's correct, actually yes, But I kept looking back.
I was like, was he wearing something that was on shirtless? No,
it was all form fit. Even the parents were like
form fitting, you know everything at all. Now it's all
stretchy and like exactly, but you got to be in
good shape for it to look good. If you're not
(17:12):
in good shape, it doesn't look it doesn't hit the
right way, you know what I mean? So shots out
the AJ Man one of the LB's, I mean, he
he's maintained all I could sit there and think about
is man like poor AJ he has all that pressure
on him. He has to look a certain type of
way because his brother in law looks a certain type
of way when he's dressed up. So I was like, man,
(17:33):
but he's he's like you know, he's he's not trying
to come to the family photo and be lacking. So
so shouts out to you AJ Man. You know, fan,
I was a big fan of him player. We did
fan of his physique.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We did baptize our son and my my older sister
Laura and j were the other guy parents.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So nice.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
At one point, I think he almost burned down the
basilica there in South Bend, uh when he was white
one of the candles. No, it all worked out, It
all worked out. Everyone's still alive. The basilica is still there.
The baptism got done.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Congratulations child, Congratulations. That's wonderful. I mean, what a hell
of a godfather to have. Huh, Like, hey, it's not
only my uncle, but he's my godfather.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, who is that a J Hawk?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
You know, there are some people who are questioning the decision,
who know AJ. But for the most part, I think
we're all pretty excited.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Act. Yeah, to be jacked.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, he's got no choice but to be hard nosed,
I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, just an athlete, just in general, like.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Right, it just happens to be a family of athletes. Yeah,
you know all the way through you know, go figure.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well, I mean, I mean, look, when you got a
godparent like h and Lorrence, it's kind of forced down
your throat, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, yeah, definitely has nothing to do with with
the parents.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's just unritten pressure to be something since it's kind
of forced down your throat almost like you know, HBO
and hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's that is a great point.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Did I catch what you were doing?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There is a solid transition. That is a solid transition.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was so good and.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We are going to talk about that here on two
Pros and a Cup of jokes.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
He keeps that force down your throat.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
From the tiraq dot com studios. By the way, speaking
of force down your throats, and listen, we're going to
force a reality down your throats and it's a reality
that many of you are guilty of and it includes
a story in the world of sports. So that'll be
yours again twenty minutes. But let's hear from Aaron Aaron Rodgers.
(19:39):
Let's hear from This is Aaron Rodgers talking about the
decision for the Jets to be featured on HBO's Hard Knocks.
Aaron Rodgers good friends with one a j Hawks. So
let's listen to a Roger, new Jets quarterback.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks,
he's the voice of God, narrates. I hope I get
to meet him. Look, you know, I understand the appeal
with us. Obviously, there's a lot of eyes on me,
a lot of eyes on our team, a lot of
expectations for US squad. So they forced the n throats
and we guys.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Deal with it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So that's kpix courtesy of these sound there. Look, Adam
Schefter released some information yesterday on how this whole thing
is going to go with Hard Knocks, and it just
feels like we're wasting our time. So according to Schefter,
the team, I guess NFL cameras they won't let them
(20:33):
inside the rooms where Robert Salah and Joe Douglas the
GM are cutting players, and Schefter says, quote, Hard Knocks
will not be the same. They're not going to give
the same access. The Jets don't believe it's humane to
show players being released. All right, why are we doing this?
It's run its course. If it's gonna be a watered
down version of what the NFL has been doing and
(20:54):
HBO has been doing for years, and you needed to
go through all of these hoops to even get anybody
to want to do it, what are we doing it for?
Just move on? It ran its time, it was great,
It lasted what fifteen sixteen years, and now we got
to move on. We talked about the evolution of the
running back position. It's the evolution of reality TV. Let's
just get rid of it, call this to last year
(21:15):
and get on with our lives.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's actually, I mean, it's kind of a good point.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
And I know there's some the hard Knocks fans out
there who are going to hate saying this, But the
show never evolved, like it never really did evolve in
any capacity, meaning like, name something.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
That they were doing year one that was.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Drastically different from you know fifteen, you know, year sixteen.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
And I think what they missed out on was the
fact that you have other elements and things that are
at play during this season, which I think a lot
of people look at as more drama or more action
packed when it's actually during the real live games, not
just training camp, because the whole entire premise of hard
(21:58):
knocks and you know training camp as it's lessened over
those sixteen years, it's not the same amount of hitting.
It's not the same amount of action that you see
even in training camp anymore. But one of the biggest
points was the cut. It was making the team. It
was that story of the player that wasn't as well
known or fought through adversity that made it. And now
(22:21):
rosters are largely set between the draft picks what guys
are signed for, probably with the exception about ten guys,
like that's the reality.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
When you walk into camp, there might be even less
than that.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It might be five or six guys who are back
into the roster they're trying to figure out or a kicker,
like which one are they going to pick from this?
It just it doesn't draw the same amount of intrigue
and drama as it would be if you were falling.
I think this if you were falling the Jets in
season versus before, Like there's not a quarterback competition.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
It's Rogers you know it's gonna be Rogers.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You really don't care what he does during training camp
or preseason. Get in the season healthy, and then from
there it's it's kind of everything else that comes from it.
So I'm sure for Jets fans, they're gonna love the
fact they get to see their team in this capacity.
I'm sure there's some diet you know, die hard, hardcore
HBO Hard Knocks fans that still want to see this stuff,
(23:17):
but the stuff in season, to me, is way more entertaining.
And then the last thing I'll just say is I
had a buddy who was a part of a team
that was on Hard Knocks. I don't remember them getting
anything extra, right, Like, you live in a world in
a day and age where players can you know, post
content or do different things and get paid for it.
(23:38):
I don't think these guys are getting any additional pay
for being a part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Cute.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That might be the best point I've heard on this topic.
You know what I'm saying that there is no compensation.
There is no compensation for doan Hard Knocks, And you're
one hundred percent right, Like, why not if if you're
getting sent in as one of those guys that are
getting and you know, this guy is not going to
have a job with your team anymore. They're not getting
(24:04):
compensated by HBO or anybody for doing that show. I mean,
I think that that's a great point. And if I
were then maybe I would sign off on understanding that
the likelihood of me losing my job on camera it
seems a little bit more bearable, you know, like there's
(24:25):
some compensation package or whatever. I don't know, but you're right.
I mean, guys are able to build their brands through
social media. There's just the focus and focal attention on
brand building now is at an all time high. And
so to be a part of something and we asked
the question, well, why do we keep doing the show?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There's money, I mean, it's money.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
However much was committed to this show and what comes
from it is the reason why they're going to carry
out the time that you know is on the contract
between HBO and the National Football League to do this.
That's one hundred percent what it is. And then when
you look at the idea and the aspects of okay,
(25:11):
it hasn't evolved. That's very true. It's a very accurate,
accurate statement. But you know what, neither has all access
for boxing, and it's still very, very entertaining. But you
know why it's entertaining because you're talking about an all
access pass that's leading to a climactical ending.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right, two guys are going to fight.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It's it's generally a big ass fight when you do
all access, and that's just not the type of that's
not the type of feel you get from Heart Knocks. Right,
It's not like, Okay, I'm watching Heart Knocks, which is
all intensive purposes the same things all access or when
they did twenty four to seven with Floyd It's it's say,
(25:58):
it's the same premise. It probably the same exact people
that did twenty four to seven that do Heart Knocks.
It was amazing to see boxers and what they do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
In a camp.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But a camp leads to a fight, a singular a
singular happening, a singular spectacle. This is not leading to
a singular spectacle. You have an entire season to go through.
So to me, it would seem like it's more critical
and more imperative that you actually get the best team
(26:32):
to do Heart Knocks and follow them around and get
an in depth look at them, because nobody wants to
be associated with a loser. I'm sorry, if you're putting
on a team that's a losing team, that's generally what
you're getting on Heart Knocks because it's generally a new
head coach or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You said the rules a while back, Jonas, What.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Like, what can't be a first year head coach? You
can't have made the playoffs at just all these requirements
you got to meet, you, I.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
See exactly the requirements that should go into you using
the team. It should be a team that made the playoffs.
It should be a competitive team. It should be a
coach that we know and admire. It should be one
of those things because that's what's going to drive what's
taking place.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't, Yes, I will probably watch.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
This this this edition, this year's Hard Knocks, just for
the simple fact yet, just like everybody else, hooking real
is is that Aaron Rodgers is in a new place.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's a one time thing.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So you've created something that can connect to us emotionally
to want to watch it because the spectacle of it
doesn't lead to this this ultimate climax. It's not like
the first game of the year is not an ultimate
climax to the storyline that's put forth in front of you, like,
here's the roster. We know the roster, like you just said, Q,
(27:58):
we pretty much know who's going to play. So it's
not like I need to figure out anything else other
than what like this is what training camp looks like
for this team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's kind of what it comes down to.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You got to figure out a way to entertain and
create a buy in that's greater than what it is
right now, because otherwise it's just not good enough for
it to become must CTV.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
To the point on the in season aspect of it
being more interesting, Last Chance You on Netflix, Quarterback the
new series on Netflix. Both of those are really yes,
both in season and you get that sort of access
that you don't get. It just feels like an HBO
can do this in season version that they've done the
past couple of years with the Colts and the Cardinals.
(28:41):
I just I don't know, man, I feel like it's
run its course.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
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Speaker 2 (29:37):
Let's have a discussion here because I don't know if
you guys have noticed, but there's like a smell in
the air.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It smells like smells like college football's close to return,
smells like it's almost here. Can you get it? Get
a wiff, Just get a whiff. I mean, we've got
sec media days. What you've started up? Oh yeah, I've
even got a former Notre Dame coaches like Brian Kelly
(30:07):
who was speaking with Sirius XM recently and talked about
just you know, the differences between coaching at Notre Dame
and now coaching at LSU. So let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Well, I don't think you have to wear a tie
every day and the job, if you know what I mean,
it's a little bit more relaxed from that perspective. And
that's not good or bad, but there's a much more
relaxed because you're you're in the South. You're around people
that are very easy to get along with, and not
that they were hard to get along with, but there
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are rules that you have to follow in an environment
like Notre Dame and you can't cross those lines, and
so there's a little bit of a difference there. I
would say the biggest one, other than that small narrative
that I gave you, is that I had to be
on a plane and I had to pull the best
player out of California, out of Texas, out of New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
See, I don't have to do that at LSU.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
The best player in the state of Louisiana, if we
do a really good job recruiting him, he wants to
be a Tiger. And that's a difference that I think,
more than anything else, allows you to really focus on
what's important within your program, and that is you know,
state of Louisiana and player development.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They you know, likes to keep it close, you know
that doesn't want to have to drive into the office.
Apparently you know, still on that on that like that
COVID work ethic.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
What is that he was talking about? Notre Dame? What
is it that? What lines you cannot cross?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What is he I think he's just referred to the
fact maybe you can't cheat.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I mean, I'm not exactly sure, which I guess that's
what he must be alluding to.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Because the odd thing too about the tie comment, Like,
have you guys ever seen Marcus Freeman since he's taken over,
like outside of his introductory press conference, which I'm not
even sure.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yet I think he had on the side of that day.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I'm not I'm not quite sure, but I'm just trying
to think back, Like it's not like I even remember
Brian Kelly wearing a tie much outside of maybe at
his own charity events or certain things.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, Charlie Wiss is a big tie guy back.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
In the Yeah, yeah, they're all all all big tie guys.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Look, I mean I think there's there's a there's a
rigorous academic.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
You know, schedule, and then you got to make sure
that the student.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Athlete is able to handle that and make it through academically.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
That's just it's what it is there, you know, and
they're not going to bend to allow guys who aren't
going to make it through or be able to get
their degree in like, that's just the reality of the situation.
And that's not a bad thing. I think it's a
bad thing if you don't like working hard, you know,
I think it's a it's a bad thing if you
if you don't like having to try to go around
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the country and get the best players in the country.
Because look, there's some truth to the fact that if
you're playing for you know, for example, I don't care
if it's Louisiana State, Ohio State, you know, any school
like that. If they can, they'd like to get the
best players in their state, you know, Notre Dame. We'd
love to get the best players in Chicago, best players Indiana.
(33:11):
But because it's a Catholic institution, it's got a lot
wider net than that, so you can kind of have
more of a melting pot of players, which I personally
thought was always really cool. I don't think it was
something that set in one back. I think it's just
kind of what makes it unique. And look, there's a
lot of schools now that recruit nationally, even though they're
(33:32):
in LSU and OSU or whoever.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You want to throw into the conversation.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
They might not try to base the bulk of their roster,
you know, you know, nationally, because that's hard to do.
But again, it's not uncommon for LSU to have kids
from Texas, for LSU to have kids from California. I'll
put it this way. Their starting quarterback, Jaden Daniels, it's
from California. Now, he didn't obviously end up there, he
(33:58):
transferred in from Arizona State. But you know, the reality is,
you know, you're going to have to recruit nationally if
you want to be able to compete versus the best.
You don't think Georgia's taking kids that aren't from the
state of Georgia. Now, they also take a lot of
the best kids from Georgia, but they're going to recruit nationally.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
That's just how it is.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
So it's a little odd to me that the discussion
still continues, you know, I think Notre Dame's fine moving on.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And look, Brian Kelly won the SEC West last year.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
They're putting themselves in a position where they should be
the favorite to win it this year if you look
at the roster and what.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
They have coming back and what they're building.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So it's a little odd that, you know, they keep
going back to wanting to compare in different things. And
I never feel like Brian Kelly when he says something
publicly like that, he ever comes off good. It just
it's odd to me the statements that he makes publicly,
it never comes off where it's shining like a better
light on him. I mean, maybe I'm a long in
(35:00):
that assessment because people think I'm biased because I'm a
Notre Dame alum. But tell me a time where he's
done something public or you've been like, oh, yeah, he
came off great there.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
He's a salesman and if roles were reversed and he
had just gotten a Notre Dame from LSU, yeah, oh,
I love the buttoned up approach we have here. Our
priorities are in line, unlike some of these other places
and places I've been at before, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
He's a salesman. This is what he does, like changing
his accent last.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I just wonder if he would come up into Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
And be like, Mally, I'm off fibly winning yet yeah,
Wayne finish, I need more WANs.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
By the way, I think he kind of reverted back
to that Cajun accent if you listen back to it
when he says tigers, he doesn't say tigers is tigers.
I think he reverts back to can we listen to
the Brian Kelly one more time? You just listened to
the Cajun accent? Pop back up for the salesman Brian Kelly.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Well, I don't think you have to wear a tie
every day and the job, if you know what I mean.
It's a little bit more relaxed from that perspective. And
that's not good or bad, but there's a much more
relaxed because you're you're in the South. You're around people
that are very easy to get along with there, and
not that they were hard to get along with, but
there are rules that you have to follow in an
(36:16):
environment like Notre Dame, and you can't cross those lines.
And so there's a little bit of a difference there.
I would say the biggest one other than that small
narrative that I gave you, is that I have to
be on a plane and I have to pull the
best player out of California, out of Texas, out of
New Jersey. I don't have to do that at LSU,
the best player in the state of Louisiana. If we
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do a really good job recruiting him, he wants to
be a Tiger, and that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I think you're onto something there. Really good job recruiting him.
He wants to be a Tiger, a.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Tiger, just the ultimate salesman. By the way, what are
those planes like that he has to take it?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Notre Dame?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Are they like?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You mean the private planes? You like? The the private
plans like?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Is like Lee having a sleep outside a train station
so he could shower with bums when he's on his
trip to the back in the back East. Hey you
missed that, Brady, uh Lee Lee to lap was bit
by rats, he was leaping.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Out, he was bird bathing Grand Central Station.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That's what Brian Kelly has to do, apparently, Notre Dame.
When he's got to go recruit, God forbid, he hops
on a private plane it has to go recruit recruit
players to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, Like, dude, why were you there so long?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Why did you take the job, why'd you leave Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
The irony, too, is if you go back and look
at last year's class that he signed all right, three
of the top four ranked players outside the state of Louisiana, Maryland,
Texas in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, they brought in will Mack right from uh from St. Francis.
That's right, he did, Yeah, Deshaun Willmack. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
But it's just there's this zero truth to a lot
of what gets spout it out there. And that's the
end fortunate part because because I think if you look
at Brian Kelly, like right now, if you were to
say that, unless he wins a national championship at LSU,
where's his legacy. Yeah, his legacy is probably still cemented
as having the most wins as a Notre Dame head
(38:15):
coach of all time. Yeah, I mean that that's what
you're gonna remember him for. So, look, he got a
great payday to go to LSU. He thinks, so, I
have a better chance of winning a national championship and
he doesn't have to.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Recruit his hard So there you go.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean, you hope it works out for him, right,
but there just doesn't need to be any more conversation.
I think both sides are kind of moving on in
their own direction. So it's a little oddie he keeps
going back to that. But I do think it's funny
when you play the initial part about the.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Why do declare?
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You know, up up above the north of the Mason
Dixon line, they.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Were ties up there all the time, them Yankees, the
northern is, you know, they were tis every time. They
don't eat no. By the way, you like that do
to claiup north to around.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
They do not do that for me at that school.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
By the way, wasn't he wearing a tie at SEC
media days? Positive? Was he wearing I'm almost positive he
was wearing a tie at media days?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And he you know, he wasn't wearing a tie at
their media day Marcus Freeman. Yeah, because I know you
don't have to do them. You don't have to go
to the media today. Yeah, we don't get all those. Yeah,
you skip all that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, we skip all those media days. By the way,
how many what media days I got you going to?
Speaker 8 (39:40):
This year?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Didn't you go to like, uh like Packed Bill, the.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Pack twelve, bit the Big ten. Already went to the
Big twelve. Yeah, we're making the rounds man.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
By the way, not a lot of ties being worn
predominantly around the country at these.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Fast approaching clap I got trop another Heisman Trophy winner
on the on the this year.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, he's a ton of fun to be around and
talk to.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
And we've already we've already got the chance to hang
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So, uh, it'll be fun. It'll be a fun season.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now do you do you know the full schedule or
how how many games? You just know the first two
weeks right for Big News, because it's yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Yeah, So for people out there who don't know when
when you when you're a part of like even a
game crew, like the people who are calling the games,
or when you're doing what we do as a studio
show that travels, you basically have a few set games
you know you're going to be at, but outside of
that you find out like twelve days before or six
days before.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So it's it's.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Pretty crazy to think about how the entire production behind
how like a traveling set and a bunch of you know,
people who are behind the scenes, how they have to
adjust like week to week. It's it's crazy, and so
there's a lot of work that goes on that a
lot of people don't think about. You just kind of
see the game and everything on TV.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Get back out the Happy Valley.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Matt Lioner say, Hey, we're gonna be there. Yes, we'll
for sure be there for a big, big game, the
big game.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
You should Jonas, we should all go this one. I
am already putting that in the works, already put it there.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, long Alan, Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But we do it.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Maybe already already had a gentleman's lunch with LeVar last time,
and then yeah, I had to tone it down.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I got a production meeting.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
I said, all right, I don't another round, please.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It's a fantastic gentleman's lunch. But yeah.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Ten thousand, Yeah, well or ten million. If you're running
back in the NFL, you better, Yeah, you have.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
A franch ten million. That was a bar. That was
a bar. That was good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That was good, uh Man, Saquon just, I don't I
don't know that I had any sort of expectations that
they were going to get a deal done, like I know,
deadlines due deals, But it felt like if something was
going to get done, we'd be at the point to
where it would have gotten done already. Tony Pollard already
signed his deal. He was coming off the off season
(00:51):
surgery that he he went through, so probably felt like
it would behove him to sign the deal and get
the franchise number in. But Josh Jacobs and and Saquon Barkley,
both those guys did not get a long term deal
done before this deadline yesterday at four pm Eastern time. Thus,
here we go, either you're signing the franchise tag or
(01:12):
we figure this out. But it looks like neither is
going to show up to camp. And this is where
we are with it when it comes to the running
back position.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I want to I mean I want to hear cues.
I want I kind of want to hear his his
input on it, because I don't really understand what happens
after you you've declared that you're not going to sign, Like,
what happens now? Like, are you still able to get
a long term deal done? What is the what does
(01:40):
the deadline mean? Okay, you don't have to get fine
for not reporting the camp?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
What like?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
What are the implications of them not signing the tag?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean the implications are you know, you're not
going to define it for anything because you're technically not
under contract, right right, So that's the first step. But
if you try to set out the entire year like
we saw saw with Le'Veon Bell, you find yourself in
the exact same spot next.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Year and you don't earn anything.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
You will, you won't make any money, so they'll still
be able to utilize a tag on you, and you know,
then you're probably more seriously taken by the team that
you're unhappy with the situation. You want a long term
deal so you'll get dealt But that's where they're at
right now. Now, if you sign your franchise tender, then
you're under contract, so you're subject to any other fines
(02:31):
if you don't show up or you you know, technically
hold out if you don't, if you if you don't
want to come, because you're under contract, all those things
are are still applied.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So that's what that's are because you can't do the
long term deal. You cannot do a long.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Past. Now, there's a misconception.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know, technically you could get paid more for this year,
the team could come back to you and pay you
more for this year under one year deal. That that
could happen, but it very rarely ever happens. So there
are some misconceptions to what this year's contract looks like.
But that is essentially the framework of what they're what
they're going to play under.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So it's franchise tag or nothing this year. For Saquon
and Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That is correct.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And Tony Pollard for that, well, he signed, he signed right, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They and they could pull it right and and both
because that's what happened with Josh Norman, right, Josh Norman
was on the tag in Carolina and then all of
a sudden, they pulled it and he went and signed
with Washington, Right, I remember that happening, But huh, I
just I don't know, Like I understand the running back
complaint and the issue, and it sucks, Like I feel
(03:42):
bad for them, and I feel bad for anybody in
a line of worker in an industry that's starting to
get phased out. It's like newspapers, Like, I feel bad.
It's it's awful, But.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I thought you got the newspaper.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, listen, I like it in the you know, the
ink on my thumbs, you know, I do like that,
you know, trying to brush off my thumb ring a
little bit of ink when you're reading the newspaper. But again,
that's a struggling industry. It's a struggling business.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I feel bad dedicated to that thumber, I.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Definitely am can't get it off. That's a problem. So
I feel bad that they have to go through this.
But I understand, well, I understand why teams are in
the position they're in, and I understand why teams are
doing what they're doing because the game has changed. It's
a passing game, and they put more of an emphasis
(04:30):
on passing the ball and throwing the football. So running
backs in turn have started to become I don't know
phased out is the right term to use, but they
have started to become on the back burner a little
bit in comparison to the priority of passing the football.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
And so that's an argument though that really doesn't have
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Merit to it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
If you look at the amount of touches though that
a running back gets between carries and receptions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Their importance is still there, still there. Yeah, I agree, And.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So that's where like, like I get it, Like I
understand that the game has changed. It's got more of
a passing game, and teams are throwing the football, you know,
closer to fifty five to sixty percent of the time.
Maybe in some cases, there are still some teams who
run the football over fifty percent now. Granted, those teams
like the Atlanta Falcons for that matter, that had a
rookie running back last year, right, I mean, Cordie or
(05:23):
Patterson played a role in that too, But Tyler Aljeer
was their running back and he had hit a heck
of a rookie year.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And they're gonna be running the ball lot this year too.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, that's not going to change. My whole point is
they're the running back position.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Is one that is unique compared to a lot of
others in the way that it's impacted by a new
working class.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
And I think if if if the NFL PA we're smart,
they do a couple of things. They would first try
to go and see if they can allow and this
is something that they need to kind of push for
because players have tried in the past hasn't work. Maurice
Coloret is the first that comes to mind, But I
(06:12):
don't know. The running backs coming out of college need.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
To be three years removed from high school, you know.
Leonard Fournette was the most recent one. In my mind.
When I saw him as a freshman, I was like,
that dude could play in the NFL right now.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, Like he can go play in the NFL right now,
and anything he does after this is only going to
potentially put wear and tear on him and potentially put
him at risk of injury.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
There's plenty of Georgia.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Running backs who fell into that same category too, by
the way, and Alabama running backs for that matter.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
So I do think there needs to be some sort
of movement there.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I think the other thing they could do to help
them out is say we want to for this particular
position remove the franchise tag so you no longer in
a rookie deal have ability to franchise tag about the
end of their five year deal if it's a first
round pick, you know, four round deal, or excuse me,
a four year deal if it's a second round pick
or after like, all those things should be things that
(07:12):
the union is fighting for. It's It's what's sad to
me is when you hear running backs say we need
a new union, we need to do our It's like, dude, no,
that's that's why you pay your dues. Like, that's why
you pay thousands of dollars a year to a union
to protect your rights. And you might be frustrated with
the economics right now of the NFL, and some people
(07:33):
out there might be listening saying, hey, man, like my
job is going to go away because of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I don't feel bad. Already gone away?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Yeah like that, Like that's just part of how life works.
Things grow and evolve, and you can't evolve, then you're out.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, and look, we I'll put it this way, like
notre Dame. For example, we had a running back.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
He's gonna play a slot receiver, and it's important to
get an opportunity this year, but it's also important and
maybe the best thing for his career moving forward. He's
more of a kind of airback, faster player, good returner.
But now you put him out in space, you put
them on a slot, you put them in different spots.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
He might say he might come back ten years from
now ago.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I mean, I'm still playing in the NFL because I
changed from a running back to a slot back, and
I now have a shot playing in a sustained way.
So you know, some people would sit there and listen
to us and say, man, these guys need to adapter.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
That's just part of the deal.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But there still needs to be something done by the
NFLPA Union or some sort of efforts instead of these
players feeling like they're on an island all by themselves.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
It seems like a very, very compromised position to be in.
But it has happened. I mean, this has happened before.
I mean, if you look at how many fullbacks are left,
I think there's like a handful of fullbacks that are left.
And fullbacks were just as critical as as the halfback, Like,
(09:02):
we don't even do that anymore, right, we don't do
two and three back. The two back is the half
back or the tailback. Three the three back is the fullback.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Right, and those backs all the backs in the backfield. Right.
As a linebacker, you're like, oh, here we go, here
we go. These two.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Man the Slessingers and the Gashes and Arenzo Lorenzo Nils
like clabical busters like you know, Donell Bennett, Like these
these guys were were significant to two offenses in the
National Football League, and then they started turning into h backs,
(09:43):
like they slowly went from a full back to an
h back. And now what is it? Well, what is
an H back? Well, it's like kind of like a
tight end, but it's not a tight end. It's kind
of like a fullback, but it's not a fullback. It's
like they're a tweiner. They can block, but they can
also go out for passes. So now you're starting to
see guys like you just said, Q the Tariqu Hills
(10:05):
of the world, right, the Deebo Samuels of the world.
They were probably natural tailbacks playing through through the years.
But you when you talk about that evolution. You're now
talking about a position where you have to almost be
status quo, able to do what an Alvin Kamara does,
(10:25):
able to do what a Deebo Samuel does, uh, Christian McCaffrey.
What they're able to do, you can't tell the difference
between them as a tailback or as a receiver. So
it's gonna it's gonna, I feel like the evolution of
football and where it's at with throwing the ball, the formations,
all of these these just the way, uh the game
(10:46):
is going. You're gonna want to have a receiver back,
a back that's able to play receiver, a receiver that's
able to play back, and you can put them there
through movement motion to try to throw the defenses off.
You can actually make it easier. We had this conversation.
Linebackers are going to have to evolve as this this
(11:07):
process evolves, you won't need a linebacker like me. If
this continues to go the way that he is going,
it turns far. I know still, I know it turns it.
I know it turns into a defensive end situation.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
You don't have to put on the red line shine.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
But so if you think about it, if you get
a running back that is able to slam the ball
in there like a Henry or or some like Adrian Peterson,
but they can go out in past situations. Now you've
actually given your offense more of an advantage really because
(11:52):
you're you basically have safeties that are playing your outside backer.
You'll probably only have one back or left that's probably
more of a pure thumper and tackler, and that's going
to be a middle backer.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Can I Can I be real with you guys too.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I do feel like the specialization of quarterback at like
a grassroots youth to junior high at a high school
level has played a role in this.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I think you get quarterbacks who are so much better
prepared coming into the NFL from college, and that can
be via the private quarterback training and specialized training they're doing.
It can come via the seven on seven you know,
leagues and camps and things that they're a part of
as well, whether that's in the summer, in the spring,
(12:39):
all those things. You know, part of this is is
a byproduct of what's happening at around the running back position,
where you get quarterbacks who are coming in who don't
have really any fundamental flaws. I mean there, it's not
like you get these multi sport athletes where like I
played football, baseball, basketball growing up. You know, by the
time I was like feeling better and learning more about
(13:02):
you know, my like throwing motion for football, et cetera,
you were done.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I was done. Like I was like, Oh, I met
Tom House after I had a back injury my seventh
year in the league. I'm like, I wish I would
have met.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
This guy like ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
You know, the stuff he was teaching me a kid
from the Midwest was drastically different about just everything from
like my ratational power, my prehab routines and creating more
mobility in my arm to create more power in my
throwing motion, like all the things he was teaching me.
I'm like, it's kind of depressing. I was like, want
of been great, Like ten years ago. Where were you then? Like, yeah,
(13:37):
thanks for telling me now I should have bought applestock
two decades ago.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Great. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But I think that plays a role too, because you
have guys who can come in and immediately not be
like trying to you know, developed or work on any fundamentals.
They're for the most part coming in and just getting
reps and experience and used to an NFL offense.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's more the mental side of the game more than
anything else.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And I think because of these guys come in and
they're ready and they play and they play well, and
you look at it that way, every team instead of saying, well,
let's let's make sure we you know, have this, this,
this all checked off, they go, no, we're just waiting
for that quarterback, that guy who's gonna be the high
tide that raises all the boats.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like that's what they look at it.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Because as much as you can have a Adrian Peterson
a running back, the reality is when you need to
throw the football on third and seven, he can't help you,
you know, and he's not gonna play. You know, he's
not gonna be a weapon or a factor. Now you
hope that he's he's running well enof on first and
second down, you don't get in third and seven plus.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But for most teams, you're.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Gonna find yourself in third and seven plus or if
you're on fourth and four. You know, if as more
teams adapt to go forward on fourth down, you're also
gonna find yourself one and to throw the football more
in those scenarios.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And that's where the running back. Running back position is
not gonna help you out.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Sh shit, Yeah, do you feel like we need to
clue people in on why we're saying Cheyenne versus Fox?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
His Chyenne days? Week?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah? Two more days? Maybe, I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
This is one of my favorite times of year to
be like kind of a fly on the wall to
watch LeVar go into what Cheyenne wild?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah, belt buckle, university.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Belt buckle, the boots just experienced stuff that you you
probably would.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Do a sweat once a year, LeVar. I would do
it a few times a year, you would.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I'm saying you only do it like once a year. Yeah,
it only happens once a year.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Plus you're all Jack now, so yeah, I am Jack.
You're gonna be wearing like a flannel, gonna.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Be bursting outside I'm gonna cut the arms out of God.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You've been getting after it. I have bro sneakers.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I got tired of being, you know, part of like,
you know, just that lazy, lazy movement of not doing
anything with yourself type of person. I got tired of
seeing you guys at at different events and you're walking
around with your shirts tucked in stuff like that, and
mine will what was in my mind never going to
(16:36):
be tucked in and.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Which, by the way, I now found out what you
meant when you're like when aj was showing off his
figure the American Century Championship, I was like, oh, he
just met.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
He had his shirt tucked in.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's correct, actually yes, But I kept looking back.
I was like, was he wearing something that was on shirtless? No,
it was all form fit. Even the parents were like
form fitting, you know everything at all. Now it's all
stretchy and like exactly, but you got to be in
good shape for it to look good. If you're not
(17:12):
in good shape, it doesn't look it doesn't hit the
right way, you know what I mean? So shots out
the AJ Man one of the LB's, I mean, he
he's maintained all I could sit there and think about
is man like poor AJ he has all that pressure
on him. He has to look a certain type of
way because his brother in law looks a certain type
of way when he's dressed up. So I was like, man,
(17:33):
but he's he's like you know, he's he's not trying
to come to the family photo and be lacking. So
so shouts out to you AJ Man. You know, fan,
I was a big fan of him player. We did
fan of his physique.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We did baptize our son and my my older sister
Laura and j were the other guy parents.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So nice.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
At one point, I think he almost burned down the
basilica there in South Bend, uh when he was white
one of the candles. No, it all worked out, It
all worked out. Everyone's still alive. The basilica is still there.
The baptism got done.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Congratulations child, Congratulations. That's wonderful. I mean, what a hell
of a godfather to have. Huh, Like, hey, it's not
only my uncle, but he's my godfather.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, who is that a J Hawk?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
You know, there are some people who are questioning the decision,
who know AJ. But for the most part, I think
we're all pretty excited.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Act. Yeah, to be jacked.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, he's got no choice but to be hard nosed,
I tell you that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, just an athlete, just in general, like.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Right, it just happens to be a family of athletes. Yeah,
you know all the way through you know, go figure.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well, I mean, I mean, look, when you got a
godparent like h and Lorrence, it's kind of forced down
your throat, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, yeah, definitely has nothing to do with with
the parents.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's just unritten pressure to be something since it's kind
of forced down your throat almost like you know, HBO
and hard knocks.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's that is a great point.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Did I catch what you were doing?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There is a solid transition. That is a solid transition.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was so good and.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
We are going to talk about that here on two
Pros and a Cup of jokes.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
He keeps that force down your throat.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
From the tiraq dot com studios. By the way, speaking
of force down your throats, and listen, we're going to
force a reality down your throats and it's a reality
that many of you are guilty of and it includes
a story in the world of sports. So that'll be
yours again twenty minutes. But let's hear from Aaron Aaron Rodgers.
(19:39):
Let's hear from This is Aaron Rodgers talking about the
decision for the Jets to be featured on HBO's Hard Knocks.
Aaron Rodgers good friends with one a j Hawks. So
let's listen to a Roger, new Jets quarterback.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks,
he's the voice of God, narrates. I hope I get
to meet him. Look, you know, I understand the appeal
with us. Obviously, there's a lot of eyes on me,
a lot of eyes on our team, a lot of
expectations for US squad. So they forced the n throats
and we guys.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Deal with it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So that's kpix courtesy of these sound there. Look, Adam
Schefter released some information yesterday on how this whole thing
is going to go with Hard Knocks, and it just
feels like we're wasting our time. So according to Schefter,
the team, I guess NFL cameras they won't let them
(20:33):
inside the rooms where Robert Salah and Joe Douglas the
GM are cutting players, and Schefter says, quote, Hard Knocks
will not be the same. They're not going to give
the same access. The Jets don't believe it's humane to
show players being released. All right, why are we doing this?
It's run its course. If it's gonna be a watered
down version of what the NFL has been doing and
(20:54):
HBO has been doing for years, and you needed to
go through all of these hoops to even get anybody
to want to do it, what are we doing it for?
Just move on? It ran its time, it was great,
It lasted what fifteen sixteen years, and now we got
to move on. We talked about the evolution of the
running back position. It's the evolution of reality TV. Let's
just get rid of it, call this to last year
(21:15):
and get on with our lives.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's actually, I mean, it's kind of a good point.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
And I know there's some the hard Knocks fans out
there who are going to hate saying this, But the
show never evolved, like it never really did evolve in
any capacity, meaning like, name something.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
That they were doing year one that was.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Drastically different from you know fifteen, you know, year sixteen.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
And I think what they missed out on was the
fact that you have other elements and things that are
at play during this season, which I think a lot
of people look at as more drama or more action
packed when it's actually during the real live games, not
just training camp, because the whole entire premise of hard
(21:58):
knocks and you know training camp as it's lessened over
those sixteen years, it's not the same amount of hitting.
It's not the same amount of action that you see
even in training camp anymore. But one of the biggest
points was the cut. It was making the team. It
was that story of the player that wasn't as well
known or fought through adversity that made it. And now
(22:21):
rosters are largely set between the draft picks what guys
are signed for, probably with the exception about ten guys,
like that's the reality.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
When you walk into camp, there might be even less
than that.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It might be five or six guys who are back
into the roster they're trying to figure out or a kicker,
like which one are they going to pick from this?
It just it doesn't draw the same amount of intrigue
and drama as it would be if you were falling.
I think this if you were falling the Jets in
season versus before, Like there's not a quarterback competition.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
It's Rogers you know it's gonna be Rogers.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You really don't care what he does during training camp
or preseason. Get in the season healthy, and then from
there it's it's kind of everything else that comes from it.
So I'm sure for Jets fans, they're gonna love the
fact they get to see their team in this capacity.
I'm sure there's some diet you know, die hard, hardcore
HBO Hard Knocks fans that still want to see this stuff,
(23:17):
but the stuff in season, to me, is way more entertaining.
And then the last thing I'll just say is I
had a buddy who was a part of a team
that was on Hard Knocks. I don't remember them getting
anything extra, right, Like, you live in a world in
a day and age where players can you know, post
content or do different things and get paid for it.
(23:38):
I don't think these guys are getting any additional pay
for being a part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Cute.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
That might be the best point I've heard on this topic.
You know what I'm saying that there is no compensation.
There is no compensation for doan Hard Knocks, And you're
one hundred percent right, Like, why not if if you're
getting sent in as one of those guys that are
getting and you know, this guy is not going to
have a job with your team anymore. They're not getting
(24:04):
compensated by HBO or anybody for doing that show. I mean,
I think that that's a great point. And if I
were then maybe I would sign off on understanding that
the likelihood of me losing my job on camera it
seems a little bit more bearable, you know, like there's
(24:25):
some compensation package or whatever. I don't know, but you're right.
I mean, guys are able to build their brands through
social media. There's just the focus and focal attention on
brand building now is at an all time high. And
so to be a part of something and we asked
the question, well, why do we keep doing the show?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There's money, I mean, it's money.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
However much was committed to this show and what comes
from it is the reason why they're going to carry
out the time that you know is on the contract
between HBO and the National Football League to do this.
That's one hundred percent what it is. And then when
you look at the idea and the aspects of okay,
(25:11):
it hasn't evolved. That's very true. It's a very accurate,
accurate statement. But you know what, neither has all access
for boxing, and it's still very, very entertaining. But you
know why it's entertaining because you're talking about an all
access pass that's leading to a climactical ending.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right, two guys are going to fight.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It's it's generally a big ass fight when you do
all access, and that's just not the type of that's
not the type of feel you get from Heart Knocks. Right,
It's not like, Okay, I'm watching Heart Knocks, which is
all intensive purposes the same things all access or when
they did twenty four to seven with Floyd It's it's say,
(25:58):
it's the same premise. It probably the same exact people
that did twenty four to seven that do Heart Knocks.
It was amazing to see boxers and what they do.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
In a camp.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
But a camp leads to a fight, a singular a
singular happening, a singular spectacle. This is not leading to
a singular spectacle. You have an entire season to go through.
So to me, it would seem like it's more critical
and more imperative that you actually get the best team
(26:32):
to do Heart Knocks and follow them around and get
an in depth look at them, because nobody wants to
be associated with a loser. I'm sorry, if you're putting
on a team that's a losing team, that's generally what
you're getting on Heart Knocks because it's generally a new
head coach or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
You said the rules a while back, Jonas, What.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Like, what can't be a first year head coach? You
can't have made the playoffs at just all these requirements
you got to meet, you, I.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
See exactly the requirements that should go into you using
the team. It should be a team that made the playoffs.
It should be a competitive team. It should be a
coach that we know and admire. It should be one
of those things because that's what's going to drive what's
taking place.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't, Yes, I will probably watch.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
This this this edition, this year's Hard Knocks, just for
the simple fact yet, just like everybody else, hooking real
is is that Aaron Rodgers is in a new place.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's a one time thing.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So you've created something that can connect to us emotionally
to want to watch it because the spectacle of it
doesn't lead to this this ultimate climax. It's not like
the first game of the year is not an ultimate
climax to the storyline that's put forth in front of you, like,
here's the roster. We know the roster, like you just said, Q,
(27:58):
we pretty much know who's going to play. So it's
not like I need to figure out anything else other
than what like this is what training camp looks like
for this team.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's kind of what it comes down to.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
You got to figure out a way to entertain and
create a buy in that's greater than what it is
right now, because otherwise it's just not good enough for
it to become must CTV.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
To the point on the in season aspect of it
being more interesting, Last Chance You on Netflix, Quarterback the
new series on Netflix. Both of those are really yes,
both in season and you get that sort of access
that you don't get. It just feels like an HBO
can do this in season version that they've done the
past couple of years with the Colts and the Cardinals.
(28:41):
I just I don't know, man, I feel like it's
run its course.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
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Speaker 3 (29:04):
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Speaker 2 (29:37):
Let's have a discussion here because I don't know if
you guys have noticed, but there's like a smell in
the air.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It smells like smells like college football's close to return,
smells like it's almost here. Can you get it? Get
a wiff, Just get a whiff. I mean, we've got
sec media days. What you've started up? Oh yeah, I've
even got a former Notre Dame coaches like Brian Kelly
(30:07):
who was speaking with Sirius XM recently and talked about
just you know, the differences between coaching at Notre Dame
and now coaching at LSU. So let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Well, I don't think you have to wear a tie
every day and the job, if you know what I mean,
it's a little bit more relaxed from that perspective. And
that's not good or bad, but there's a much more
relaxed because you're you're in the South. You're around people
that are very easy to get along with, and not
that they were hard to get along with, but there
(30:40):
are rules that you have to follow in an environment
like Notre Dame and you can't cross those lines, and
so there's a little bit of a difference there. I
would say the biggest one, other than that small narrative
that I gave you, is that I had to be
on a plane and I had to pull the best
player out of California, out of Texas, out of New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
See, I don't have to do that at LSU.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
The best player in the state of Louisiana, if we
do a really good job recruiting him, he wants to
be a Tiger. And that's a difference that I think,
more than anything else, allows you to really focus on
what's important within your program, and that is you know,
state of Louisiana and player development.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They you know, likes to keep it close, you know
that doesn't want to have to drive into the office.
Apparently you know, still on that on that like that
COVID work ethic.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
What is that he was talking about? Notre Dame? What
is it that? What lines you cannot cross?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What is he I think he's just referred to the
fact maybe you can't cheat.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I mean, I'm not exactly sure, which I guess that's
what he must be alluding to.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Because the odd thing too about the tie comment, Like,
have you guys ever seen Marcus Freeman since he's taken over,
like outside of his introductory press conference, which I'm not
even sure.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yet I think he had on the side of that day.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I'm not I'm not quite sure, but I'm just trying
to think back, Like it's not like I even remember
Brian Kelly wearing a tie much outside of maybe at
his own charity events or certain things.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well, Charlie Wiss is a big tie guy back.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
In the Yeah, yeah, they're all all all big tie guys.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Look, I mean I think there's there's a there's a
rigorous academic.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
You know, schedule, and then you got to make sure
that the student.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Athlete is able to handle that and make it through academically.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
That's just it's what it is there, you know, and
they're not going to bend to allow guys who aren't
going to make it through or be able to get
their degree in like, that's just the reality of the situation.
And that's not a bad thing. I think it's a
bad thing if you don't like working hard, you know,
I think it's a it's a bad thing if you
if you don't like having to try to go around
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the country and get the best players in the country.
Because look, there's some truth to the fact that if
you're playing for you know, for example, I don't care
if it's Louisiana State, Ohio State, you know, any school
like that. If they can, they'd like to get the
best players in their state, you know, Notre Dame. We'd
love to get the best players in Chicago, best players Indiana.
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But because it's a Catholic institution, it's got a lot
wider net than that, so you can kind of have
more of a melting pot of players, which I personally
thought was always really cool. I don't think it was
something that set in one back. I think it's just
kind of what makes it unique. And look, there's a
lot of schools now that recruit nationally, even though they're
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in LSU and OSU or whoever.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You want to throw into the conversation.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
They might not try to base the bulk of their roster,
you know, you know, nationally, because that's hard to do.
But again, it's not uncommon for LSU to have kids
from Texas, for LSU to have kids from California. I'll
put it this way. Their starting quarterback, Jaden Daniels, it's
from California. Now, he didn't obviously end up there, he
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transferred in from Arizona State. But you know, the reality is,
you know, you're going to have to recruit nationally if
you want to be able to compete versus the best.
You don't think Georgia's taking kids that aren't from the
state of Georgia. Now, they also take a lot of
the best kids from Georgia, but they're going to recruit nationally.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
That's just how it is.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
So it's a little odd to me that the discussion
still continues, you know, I think Notre Dame's fine moving on.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
And look, Brian Kelly won the SEC West last year.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
They're putting themselves in a position where they should be
the favorite to win it this year if you look
at the roster and what.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
They have coming back and what they're building.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So it's a little odd that, you know, they keep
going back to wanting to compare in different things. And
I never feel like Brian Kelly when he says something
publicly like that, he ever comes off good. It just
it's odd to me the statements that he makes publicly,
it never comes off where it's shining like a better
light on him. I mean, maybe I'm a long in
(35:00):
that assessment because people think I'm biased because I'm a
Notre Dame alum. But tell me a time where he's
done something public or you've been like, oh, yeah, he
came off great there.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
He's a salesman and if roles were reversed and he
had just gotten a Notre Dame from LSU, yeah, oh,
I love the buttoned up approach we have here. Our
priorities are in line, unlike some of these other places
and places I've been at before, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
He's a salesman. This is what he does, like changing
his accent last.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I just wonder if he would come up into Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
And be like, Mally, I'm off fibly winning yet yeah,
Wayne finish, I need more WANs.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
By the way, I think he kind of reverted back
to that Cajun accent if you listen back to it
when he says tigers, he doesn't say tigers is tigers.
I think he reverts back to can we listen to
the Brian Kelly one more time? You just listened to
the Cajun accent? Pop back up for the salesman Brian Kelly.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Well, I don't think you have to wear a tie
every day and the job, if you know what I mean.
It's a little bit more relaxed from that perspective. And
that's not good or bad, but there's a much more
relaxed because you're you're in the South. You're around people
that are very easy to get along with there, and
not that they were hard to get along with, but
there are rules that you have to follow in an
(36:16):
environment like Notre Dame, and you can't cross those lines.
And so there's a little bit of a difference there.
I would say the biggest one other than that small
narrative that I gave you, is that I have to
be on a plane and I have to pull the
best player out of California, out of Texas, out of
New Jersey. I don't have to do that at LSU,
the best player in the state of Louisiana. If we
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do a really good job recruiting him, he wants to
be a Tiger, and that.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I think you're onto something there. Really good job recruiting him.
He wants to be a Tiger, a.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Tiger, just the ultimate salesman. By the way, what are
those planes like that he has to take it?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Notre Dame?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Are they like?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (36:57):
You mean the private planes? You like? The the private
plans like?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Is like Lee having a sleep outside a train station
so he could shower with bums when he's on his
trip to the back in the back East. Hey you
missed that, Brady, uh Lee Lee to lap was bit
by rats, he was leaping.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Out, he was bird bathing Grand Central Station.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That's what Brian Kelly has to do, apparently, Notre Dame.
When he's got to go recruit, God forbid, he hops
on a private plane it has to go recruit recruit
players to Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, Like, dude, why were you there so long?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Why did you take the job, why'd you leave Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
The irony, too, is if you go back and look
at last year's class that he signed all right, three
of the top four ranked players outside the state of Louisiana, Maryland,
Texas in Miami, Florida.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah, they brought in will Mack right from uh from St. Francis.
That's right, he did, Yeah, Deshaun Willmack. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
But it's just there's this zero truth to a lot
of what gets spout it out there. And that's the
end fortunate part because because I think if you look
at Brian Kelly, like right now, if you were to
say that, unless he wins a national championship at LSU,
where's his legacy. Yeah, his legacy is probably still cemented
as having the most wins as a Notre Dame head
(38:15):
coach of all time. Yeah, I mean that that's what
you're gonna remember him for. So, look, he got a
great payday to go to LSU. He thinks, so, I
have a better chance of winning a national championship and
he doesn't have to.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Recruit his hard So there you go.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I mean, you hope it works out for him, right,
but there just doesn't need to be any more conversation.
I think both sides are kind of moving on in
their own direction. So it's a little oddie he keeps
going back to that. But I do think it's funny
when you play the initial part about the.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Why do declare?
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You know, up up above the north of the Mason
Dixon line, they.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Were ties up there all the time, them Yankees, the
northern is, you know, they were tis every time. They
don't eat no. By the way, you like that do
to claiup north to around.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
They do not do that for me at that school.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
By the way, wasn't he wearing a tie at SEC
media days? Positive? Was he wearing I'm almost positive he
was wearing a tie at media days?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
And he you know, he wasn't wearing a tie at
their media day Marcus Freeman. Yeah, because I know you
don't have to do them. You don't have to go
to the media today. Yeah, we don't get all those. Yeah,
you skip all that.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, we skip all those media days. By the way,
how many what media days I got you going to?
Speaker 8 (39:40):
This year?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Didn't you go to like, uh like Packed Bill, the.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Pack twelve, bit the Big ten. Already went to the
Big twelve. Yeah, we're making the rounds man.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
By the way, not a lot of ties being worn
predominantly around the country at these.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Fast approaching clap I got trop another Heisman Trophy winner
on the on the this year.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, he's a ton of fun to be around and
talk to.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
And we've already we've already got the chance to hang
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So, uh, it'll be fun. It'll be a fun season.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now do you do you know the full schedule or
how how many games? You just know the first two
weeks right for Big News, because it's yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Yeah, So for people out there who don't know when
when you when you're a part of like even a
game crew, like the people who are calling the games,
or when you're doing what we do as a studio
show that travels, you basically have a few set games
you know you're going to be at, but outside of
that you find out like twelve days before or six
days before.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So it's it's.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Pretty crazy to think about how the entire production behind
how like a traveling set and a bunch of you know,
people who are behind the scenes, how they have to
adjust like week to week. It's it's crazy, and so
there's a lot of work that goes on that a
lot of people don't think about. You just kind of
see the game and everything on TV.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Get back out the Happy Valley.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Matt Lioner say, Hey, we're gonna be there. Yes, we'll
for sure be there for a big, big game, the
big game.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
You should Jonas, we should all go this one. I
am already putting that in the works, already put it there.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, long Alan, Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
But we do it.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Maybe already already had a gentleman's lunch with LeVar last time,
and then yeah, I had to tone it down.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I got a production meeting.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
I said, all right, I don't another round, please.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It's a fantastic gentleman's lunch. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
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