July 24, 2023 • 37 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, veteran running backs explore options for the position but Jonas and Brady don’t see a solution. Fights breakout at Jets Training Camp, real expectations for Aaron Rodgers’ time in New York and the Browns hold their training camp in Greenbrier, WV in order to isolate and “lock in.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of shoe with LaVar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox
on Box Furs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So when it comes to traveling, apparently on this show,
not a whole hell of a lot of luck when
it comes to certain members of this show trying to
travel and get to certain places in the airport. If
anybody follows LaVar Arrington on social media, if you follow
him on Instagram, King of the Mammals I believe is
his ig account, he chronicled the situation that was taking
(00:35):
place at an airport. He was at Frontier Days in Cheyenne,
Wyoming over the course of the weekend, and apparently one
delay led to two delays, led to three delays, led
to a back and forth with members of I believe
Delta Airlines was the culprit this time, and LaVar Arrington
(00:57):
was last checked stuck in an airport trying to get
back home. Thus, he cannot be on the show today
or do the show today. So if you followed along
to this show and heard any of these stories regarding
members of this show, it's not quite as bad. I
feel like we've actually seen a little bit of development
and some growth here, we've actually shown some positive upward
(01:18):
momentum because, in comparison to what Lee to Lap went
through during his travel excursions, Levar's I mean he's basically
at the taj Mahal. Lee slept outside a train station
and was bit by sewer rats as he tried to
catch a two hour nap to go shower with bums
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in a train station bathroom just to try and make
sure he didn't at least have bo while he had
to sleep outside. So, if anybody's followed along, traveling apparently
has been a little bit of an issue for members
of this show, Brady Quinn and LaVar. Arrington is the
latest victim of having to sit in an airport because
the airline seemingly can't get there. You know what, together, is.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
This why you don't travel?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Is this an example of exactly That's why I travel
by train? I told you that, you know, by train,
by train, that's what I do. A little little amtraka,
you know, hop on Pacific surf Liner Ventura County, drops
you right off where you need to go, no hassle,
no nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I have not looked into the the saga or the
story that has been for his travels this this week.
I am curious though to hear how how Frontier days went.
But I'll have to go check out his his social media.
Well does he does he leave like a good account
of what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, he's sitting he appears to be sitting in front
of the help desk at an empty Delta Airline portion
of the airport. Uh, And he looks like he's like
got a phone in his hand or something like that.
And he's leaving this video talking about how unpleasant the
help was. Delta Airlines. I'm gonna put you on blast.
(02:58):
He also pointed out the fact that he, you know,
needs to get back to his kids because he needs
somebody to take care of his children. He's posting pictures
of the constant delays, so on and so forth. It
just all I keep hearing is nightmare situations in the
in the airports. Like I don't know, at some point,
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is this just COVID, Like like the airports still are
trying to manage having to deal with people not wanting
to work there and not travel because of COVID, Like,
what the hell's going on with this crab?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, there's a bunch of different things going on. I
mean for starters I do. I mean, there's some strikes
that have been going on. I want to say it
was the Southwest Pilots. I forget which airline most recently
was dealing with it, but there's all sort of there's
usually some sort of work issue.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
With one of the airlines in regards to like their union.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think what's happened over time since since COVID is
there's just been a lack of any desire to like
try to help people when they are delayed or something's canceled.
It's just kind of like, well, like you know, you
could deal with this, just go online, go talk to
a bot. Like there's there's really not many people in
person who want to care to deal with that kind
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that sort of thing. Yeah, I mean everything's got an
outsourced to, like a robot or a bot online, and
there's times where, like you're going to check in online,
I will be like, oh, you need to call, but
you'd like literally go through prompts where you still don't
talk to anyone.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And I'm not sure why it's pivoted to that.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's probably cheaper, you know, than then having to hire
someone and pay the benefits and everything else, but it's uh,
it's it definitely doesn't have anything to do with COVID.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, I would say this, if they want to enact change,
apparently the thing to do is get on a zoom call.
Like I don't know if you were familiar with that,
but apparently zoom calls are the are the new rave
that was.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
The thing to do through COVID. So you're right, yeah,
that would I mean, I guess you could make some
change there, right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Apparently that was the plan of an attack for running
backs in the the NFL. Austin Eckler of the Chargers
organized a zoom call with other running backs. Now. On
that call reportedly were Nick Chubb, Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry,
Christian McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, and says
they kicked around ideas, but there was no major plans
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to really come out of it, so I'm not really
sure what the point was. Nick Chubb actually spoke about
the call and sort of spoke about where they're at
and the status of things as a running back goes
in the NFL. Here's what we had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, I mean, right now, it's just tall, you know,
there's really nothing we can do. We're kind of we're
kind of handcuffed with the situation. But I mean, I
feel what I took from it. McCaffrey and Dereck Henry
and Say corn I had a lot of good points.
But the biggest thing is that we're don position that
our production hurts us the most. You know, if we
go out there and run for two thousand yards with
so many carriers, the next year, they're going to say,
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you know, you're probably worn down. That's the biggest thing
that I took from it. It's just it's tough. You know,
it hurts us just to go to go out there
and do good. It hurts us at the day.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I don't know what really was the point of the
zoom call to his point, what can you really do
about it right now?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, I think the one thing you can do about
it is you could collectively talk to all running backs
and you'd have to draw a line in the sand
and say we're gonna strike, like even guys who are
under contract, Nick Chubb or Derrick Henry or whoever else
you want to throw into the conversation. Chris McCaffrey they're
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gonna collectively say we are trying to as a position group.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Not just the stars, all of them, we're gonna strike.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And there's a risk to that, right because as we know,
there's a bunch of running backs who play in the USFL,
the XFL, the CFL. There's people in the street who
probably feel like they could still play. I mean, they
would literally be jumping in to fill that void. So
that's the tough part is it's a position that it's gotten,
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it's gotten tough to be able to sign those big deals,
and it's tough not to acknowledge what Nick Chubb just
mentioned that as soon as they have a ton of success,
you know, with that comes, you know, a depreciating asset.
You don't look at a wide receiver that way, or
a quarterback or a left tackle or anyone else. You know,
justin Jefferson or excuse me, Tyreek Hill is the one
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that said he's gonna catch with two thousand yards. You
know what, you're not going to save the following year.
Always run down, it's not what you say. But with
running backs, there's a lot of validity to what he said.
You know, their success, especially in college, you would hear
guys who are like you know that they they come
out of college like, well, they're a three year starter,
super successful.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, how much tread do they have left on
the tire.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
That's how you hear people talk about running backs to
the college level, and so that's why you know a
lot of schools where it's Georgia is probably most most famously,
has had kind of a running back by committee and
it's protected a lot of those guys to be more
valued when when they get draft through when they get
to the NFL because they haven't had to have the
ball to the carries.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
So outside of a strike.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Which would really hammer home the point and d force
maybe the NFL to come back to them and say, okay,
let's try to iron out some protections and some things.
You know, maybe we've got a player performance pool that's
traditionally gone to players who don't have big contracts that
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have high production. So like, maybe more of that those
funds get devoted to running backs. It might be unfair
to other position groups, but you know, that was something
that got implemented in the twenty eleven CBA and it's
stuck around since and it's been a way of rewarding
performance for guys who you know, maybe aren't necessarily contracted
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and getting paid that much. So there's there's there's ideas,
but you know, ultimately Nick Chubb said it, there's really
nothing they could do there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
They're handcuffed.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's a byproduct of the economics of the NFL well,
and I don't think it's changing anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
When your point about there's players on the outside, you know, USFL, XFL, CFL,
et cetera, et cetera, there's guys that are on the
outside that are looking for a chance, and I know
that they want to. Let's say they strike and they say,
let's all get together, Let's do this for our position group.
Let's do this for you know, our our brothers that
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are in the running back room across the league, and
let's do this for all future running backs. If I'm
one of these guys on the outside, I look, I
appreciate it. I know that there's a fraternity. I get
all that. But if I'm looking for an opportunity and
I've got a family, that's my priority. It's not the
running back position. And so if I get a chance
to you know, make pennies or the league minimum or
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one or two million dollars a year. I'll gladly take
it if it means taking care of my family. And
I just find it hard to believe that you're going
to find enough guys that are going to say, hey,
we're all in to really enact any sort of change.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's always been the issue with players striking in the NFL,
and the NFL owners know it. They've always banked on
the fact that there'd be someone to replace that void immediately.
And also to your point, they know from that standpoint
that you know, most players, especially in NFL standards, you know,
if it's a three year average career span, most of
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the guys are you know, trying it to cash in
for however much for that short window of time, and
they leverage that and they use that against a lot
of athletes like you can find cheaper labor, and there's
not going to be that big of a difference. I mean,
think about this. For example, you know you average over
four yards per attempt. You know, that's about where where
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every team wants you to be. And so let's say,
as you know, one of the stars, you're at four
point eight, four point nine yards per attempt and they
bring someone else into averages four point two who might
be saving them a lot of money. You know, over
a period of a season that that four point two,
you know, it adds up. It's not gonna be quite
as much, but it doesn't seem like it's that big
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of a difference.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But the cost savings are monumental.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Like you're talking about, you know, paying a guy maybe
league minimum at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars versus
Pana guy ten point one million, which is a big difference.
So that's how they look at it, and they're like, yeah,
we can get by as long as we've got you know,
the quarterback, the wide receiver, the left tackle, you know,
the cornerback, and the edge rusher. As long as you
got are those guys paid, That's that's all really matters,
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and we'll build.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Our roster around that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
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Speaker 2 (11:47):
So apparently things are a little feisty for the New
York Jets at training camp. They've got Hard Knocks, which
you set to debut, you know, coming up at some
When is the debut of Hard Knocks? Is it this week? Well?
This week, I would assume, because the Hall of Fame
games coming up August third, the Hall of Fame games
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coming up, and.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'm doing is Shark Week right now? Shark Week started
off last week.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It is Shark Week right now.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Oh yeah, it's back.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I'm seeing Tuesday, August eighth. Okay, so it's going to
be after the Hall of Fame game. Well, it's unfortunate,
all right. So the point is, the cameras are rolling
and apparently we had multiple fights in practice. I mean,
guys are throwing down, they are heated up, they are
fired up for the season, and they're Head coach Robert
Sala spoke about the fisticuffs at practice for the New
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York Jets.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
It's training, ken. These guys are fighting for their lives,
fighting for their livelihood, right They're trying to get on
teams or trying to compete their tail off to get
into a starting lineup, to earn a spot on the roster,
to earn a role, and so fights are gonna happen,
and it's like, you know, I tell them when you're
when you're fighting with your family, you got to rule.
You got to rule as a family. I'll tell my
seven kids, keep it below the neck, above the waist,
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you know, So the skirmishes are gonna happen, don't throw
a punch, you're gonna get into your shoving match. Get on,
move on, get over with it. We got a lot
of stuff to do, but they're gonna happen. And pretend
like they're not gonna happen. You're you're just fooling yourself.
But that's a that's a product of people competing their
tails off, trying to earn something more than it is,
just uncontrolled anger.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I tell my kids, blow the neck above the.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Way liver body shots, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You're right to the solar plexuses seven kids and they're
just lethal to the body.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You love how he dropped that subtly, like, yeah, I
told my seven kids, didn't seven kids?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Good for him?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Man, Okay, good Briand guy stays busy.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No one runs his steps before games. He's just trying
to get away.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So that's a lot going on. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm questioning how legit the fights are this early in camp,
Like typically you get fights once you get through the
first week or two, because guys get tired of, you know,
hitting each other.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They get tired of going up against each other.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
There's there's natural fatigue, crankiness set in any way, they're
sore that they you know, it's a little easier for
guys to get upset by something, so this early in
camp to have one, you kind of feel like it
might be more for the cameras they let hard knocks,
you know, I mean, I I realized it could also
just be early in camp. You get a couple of
young guys who don't, you know, know how to go
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a certain speed. Like there's different speeds if it's a walkthrough,
if it's a whatever kind of period you're going you're
going in. And sometimes young guys who are trying to
make a statement, are trying to make the roster. They
don't know how to handle themselves versus a veteran, and
and they'll they'll tick off a veteran by doing.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Something that the veteran's like, no, no, no, no, that's not how.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
This works, young bull, Like you you got to go
at a certain speed in this drill this in game
speed yet, but we're we're eventually getting there, and sometimes
you'll get some guys that tick off other players. I'll
never forget von Miller. Von Miller when he got in
as a rookie, it didn't matter what it was. It
didn't matter if it was a walkthrough, didn't matter if
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it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know, helmet and jerseys. He went full speed every
single time and it made so many of the offensive
linemen and Denver mad.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It would like start fights like I mean literally, and
that was just he had one speed. He was going full,
full go every single time, and it literally made guys mad.
And I remember sitting there kind of watching it, thinking, well,
I mean, he's a special player. You know, he does
this for a reason, and he's not going to adapt
to them. He's gonna make them adapt to him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah. I just I don't know that even if there's
fights that, are you gonna watch Hard Knocks? Be honest, I.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Might watch some some pieces of it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I've just I've kind of grown out of Yeah, I
just want to to watch this much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I just I think there's so much coverage of the
NFL and we've seen like so many versions of Hard
knocks and I'm just kind of okay. I mean, even
if there are some brawls like it just feels like
it's a water down product. I would say this though.
Aaron Rodgers was on local radio in New York and
he was talking about just sort of his plan and
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you know, talking to you know, Rothenberg and Dpa Trow
in New York and just telling him just kind of,
you know, whether or not he's going to be their
long term or what his timeline is as a Jets quarterback.
Take a listen and tell me what you think of this.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Jets gave up a lot for me, so, you know,
to just play one year I think would be a disservice. Now,
if that one year turns out to be a magical year,
who knows. But it's more than that. It's how my
body feels.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Don't you think Rogers probably has also more a realistic
expectation of this, because people are already talking Super Bowl
with the Jets, and Rogers is probably thinking, let's slow
down a little bit here, all right. The AFC is
a pretty daunting task. Our division's pretty tough, and that's
not including Kansas City, Cincinnati and some of the other
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teams that are in the conference. I'd like to have
at least more than one bite at the apple before
we start talking about all right, one and done, because
you got a Super Bowl. I think he's probably got
a little bit more of a realistic approach than a
lot of people covering the Jets or Jets fans have
right now.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I think there's the team's success and what they're
able to do this season. Then the biggest thing that
he pointed out, and I think how he's always operated
is he wants to reevaluate after the season and see
how he feels both physically mentally like he's different in
that sense, and so he's going to go through his
process of evaluating what he feels like he wants to
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try to accomplish. But I think you heard the initial
part and it is it's interesting if you go back
and think about how when he went into the meditation hut,
he was about ready to retire, at least that was
maybe his intention, and then when he got out of it,
hearing about the Packers trying to trade him behind his back,
and whatever communication dinner did not happen, or efforts to
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make communication dinner and that did not happen with FaceTime.
It led to a trade, and it led to him
signing with a team that you know, he now feels
like maybe he can make a run with the next
few years. And it's the first time he's been away
from the Green Bay Packers, that organization, and it's a
very different situation.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
He's in the number one media market.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's with a franchise that's clamoring for success, versus one
that you know, he was replacing a Hall of famer,
and and that that Hall of famer and that.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Team had won Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean, the Jets, it's been so long, there's probably
a generation that that wasn't around, wasn't alive for it,
and really hasn't had you know, seen them have much success.
So there is like this rejuvenation of a fan base
that's so excited for him to be there that it's
it's got to feel good.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know. I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The Packers took him for granted, at least not the
fan base, but but maybe you had the front office
to some degree did and maybe there are some fans
who took him for granted to want to move on.
But this is this is that opportunity for him to
prove otherwise, and I think it was a pretty heavy cost,
you know, for him to go there. So I'm sure
he wants to give it more than just a year.
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Like if he's going to take on this daunting task,
and you touched on it, like, the AFC is so
much more competitive, there's a lot more parody. They didn't
make a super Bowl back when he was in an
NFC that was much easier to navigate through, right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
With home field multiple times.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And now you've got to deal with the AFC and
all these quarterbacks and just a much tougher division, let
alone conference. So I think he understands that it's a
daunting task and probably has more of an idea in
his head. But I think he also feels, you know,
rejuvenated with the opportunity to play on a roster that's
ready to win right now everywhere around that quarterback position,
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despite how tough it's gonna be to navigate.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And let's maybe see what happens over the next you know,
two three years.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
What would you say is a proper expectation for the
Jets and Aaron Rodgers in this time there? Okay, Well,
to me.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That's a playoff team last year with better quarterback play,
which was was was their Achilles heal, and it was
why I was never a believer in the team last year,
because as good as the roster has been built, it
was the one spot they just couldn't admit that they
had missed on and and and that's fine, and now
they haven't they addressed it and then they'll have him
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moving forward, which to me makes them.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
A playoff team.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I'm not sure what they win the division, but I
think it's it's safe to say that's that's what they
will be next year.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And that's what because I think if if they were
to get to a playoffs or get to the playoffs
and say they get to the divisional round, or say
they get to an AFC championship, I still feel like
there's going to be some people that go, yeah, but
for all that and for Aaron Rodgers kind of disappointing,
and I totally disagree. I think people's expectations for them
is so far gone that they forget the fact that
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the Jets have finished last in that division six of
the last seven years. They've been awful for like a
half century, Like they've been awful and the idea that
you're going to add Rogers and your expectation is super
Bowl or bust. And I think there's a lot of
that out there. I just don't buy into it. If
they make the playoffs and they win a playoff game,
I would say that's a successful first year for Aaron Rodgers.
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And at the end of the two years they make
a couple of playoff appearances but never get to a
super Bowl. I'm not going to call a thing a failure.
They gave it a shot. It's a tough conference, and
they were a better football team with him than they
were without him.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
They have the longest playoffs are out to they.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Not yeah, I think so twelve years? Yes, Like yeah,
I mean been a while.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And that's that's what I'm saying, Like people have to
kind of tend to realize like where they've been and
what they've gone through, and that this would be a huge,
you know, moment for them just to be able to
get into the playoffs. You win a game too, icing
on the cake. You keep building from there. And it's
still a really young roster. You know, a lot of
these guys don't know necessarily how to win yet and
hopefully Aaron Rodgers to be able to show them that.
I think the other thing that, you know, Rogers is
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gonna have a great opportunity to do.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And I'm not saying he didn't in.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Green Bay, but it's a small market, you know, arguably
green Bay's, you know, the smallest I think you could
probably you could make that case. He's now in the
number one media market, Like I think there's going to
be so many marketing opportunities.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's had the national stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like we've all seen the State farm commercials, but you
probably have a lot more of like the easier local
New York you know, marketing deals and opportunities that he
didn't necessarily have as much in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And that's also like money that's coming.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
From the outside that maybe wasn't there before that he
could tap into it. And he's made a ton of money.
I know he's not I don't want to say he's
not motivated by money. I think that's a portion of it.
But I also think there's even just greater opportunity there
for him. So why wouldn't you try to maximize that
instead of just doing a one year you know, let's
see what happens and being there for two or three
years and seeing where you're capable of building too.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
In that capacity.
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Speaker 2 (23:41):
Hey, I'm telling you right now, We've got the FSRIR
coming up later on this hour. I think we're probably
gonna have another one tomorrow from LeVar. I don't know
what it will happen during the show, but I would
imagine the first segment of tomorrow show is going to
be hijacked by LeVar. Hijack's probably not the right term
to use. I'm sorry about that, but the point is
he is going to have some venting to do when
(24:02):
it comes to his travel experience leaving Frontier days in Wyoming.
So it's unfortunate, but hey, welcome to traveling. Apparently in
twenty twenty three on airlines across the country it is too.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Can you give out the social media information though, just
in case people are wondering and they want to look
up what's happening with LeVar right now?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, it's King of All Mammals, I believe on Instagram
that's the the IG account. I believe King of the Mammals. Yep,
I mean that too, you know. I mean at this point,
you can see there's a great video there where Levar's
got a phone to his ear but.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Done yes, which is rare in today's times, one.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Of those old school ones that you would just pull
off the wall. And he's sitting down in front of
an empty Delta front desk, and he's got the landline
and the little you know, the cord all the way
attached to the phone, and he's got it near right
to his ear. And I don't know if if he's
leaving a voicemail on that landline or if he's just
(25:04):
using it as a prop for his video. But whatever
it is, I mean, well done, well spoken, you know,
got all his points across and then you know, posted
some screenshots as well too of the constant delays, and hey,
that's the way this stuff works now when you travel.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I'm still wondering, you know, could it have been a
different airline, Like could he have maybe he's supposed to
be on United or American?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like sorry, sorry, you're flying on Southwest. I mean, he
wasn't going that far to where you could. There's a
lot of options, so it's not like he's traveling to
the East coast and some of the smaller airlines don't
fly at a certain airport. It's like, you know, it
wasn't going that far. It's one time's on a way.
I mean, it feels like there's a lot of options there.
So if it turns out and by the way, if
(25:53):
it does turn out that he just had the wrong
airline altogether, do you think he would ever tell us? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Probably not, although I hope you'd at least issue a
policy to Delta.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, that ain't happened either. He would he would just
let everybody forget about I don't want to talk about it.
I don't want because the one person you wouldn't want
to acknowledge that mistake to would be Brady Quinn. I'm
telling you right now, if I ever did that, I
would never tell you about it. Why because I would
get my balls broken for the rest of time. If
that was ever the.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Case, there might be a few subtle reminders for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Subtle reminders would be like, Hey, just so you know,
the show starts tomorrow at six am Eastern time. I
just want to make sure you know that it's the
right network. I don't want you popping up on another network, Okay,
And it would just be off and running every so
that the meat Wagon would probably chime in with something
like there would just be constant reminders. I would never
tell you if I got the wrong airline. Okay, But
(26:52):
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should be. He's Brady Quinn. I'm Jonas Knox. Brady Quinn,
a former first round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns,
(27:14):
a man who has gone to training camp with the
Cleveland Browns before. He has intimate knowledge of the situation
there in Cleveland, which apparently has moved to West Virginia,
White Sulfur Springs, the Greenbrier, that is where the Cleveland
Browns are having training camp and they're Head coach Kevin
(27:34):
Stefanski spoke about the Browns new training camp location getting
ready for the season.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
You know, team building and team bonding, those type of
things that's organic. I really think just being on a
bus together, you're building your team, being on airplane, being
around each other. I think what this allows us to do,
obviously is we're landlocked here.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We're in the middle of nowhere. By design.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Really, it forces you just to be around your teammates,
all right, So there we go.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean, he's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
There's only a couple of training camps, well, I guess
one where we actually went somewhere else besides the team facility.
Most most teams now don't go anywhere, and part of
that reasoning is they want to try to get some
of the revenue by having fans come in for the
daily practice. It's like another revenue driver, if you will, right,
(28:29):
Fans who maybe can't always either afford tickets to a
game or make it out, you know, for whatever reason
during the season. Sometimes they can make a trip of
it during training camp come out see the players. Sometimes
it's free for fans, sometimes they charge them. Whatever the
case is. It's just a different way of getting fans
more involved, and you have more control over it because
(28:50):
it's not your facility, and so it's kind of like
a cost cutting measure and then maybe a chance to
make some money at least. That was always my experience,
and in particular in Cleveland even always had it right
there at the Producte facility, and it made it kind
of easy for the fans. They had a whole fan
experience there that was pretty cool. Going off to a
(29:10):
whether it's a small college or a destination like this,
it does kind of make it centralized where you really
can't go anywhere. I mean, you're just there and you
do get some of those bonding moments, but it's not
like college like where college like you know you're a
college kid and you know you're you're all going to
be hanging around one another. You know, guys don't have families,
(29:31):
you know, for the most part, it's just it's different
when you go in the NFL and you go away,
guys are hanging out a little bit, but it's not
like it used to be.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I mean, especially in.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Small towns like that, it's kind of hard to get
away without people noticing you. You know, if guys wanted
to try to go out and grab a beer or
go out to eat something like that, they're going to
find you. And so it's it's just it usually doesn't
have the same impact that I think coaches and organizations
used to grab from this as opposed to you know,
just going through the training camp to set your roster
(30:01):
and head into the season. The bonding happens a lot
more in season than it does in training camp anymore.
It's just it's a different day and age.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
In the end, I've always wondered about that, would players
prefer to be closer to their family at training camp
at the team facility, or to go away and try
and you know, get in gear and and just get
get ready to go. Like there's they'll talk about fight camps.
Guys will go to Big Bear and just disappear and
not be around their family. I would want to be
around my family. I want, I want, I would want
(30:30):
the opportunity to see my family, especially in the middle
of a training camp, just as if anything, just for
the mental break possibly of hey, you know, if I
could you know, drive and go, you know, grab lunch
with them, or whatever the case may be. I've wondered
how many guys really would prefer just to disappear altogether
and get away from it all, as opposed to the
(30:51):
number of guys that would rather have the option to
be local and closer to home.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
There's some who don't mind it, but I think the
thing that always, you know, stood out to me. It
was just the hassle of having to move into some
place for a few weeks then move back out of
it like it's it kind of stinks, and you're and
if you think about the living standards of most of
the guys who are on that roster, you're moving into
a dorm. Like some of these guys have lavish houses
(31:17):
and they've got really nice beds they like to sleep
in when they're back home. And for in some camps,
the veterans don't even have to stay necessarily in the
team hotel if they don't want to. Some of them
will want to, just if they have young kids and
they want to, you know, try to sleep in a
little bit and get away.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
They can do that. But to your point, it's easier
to see the family.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
It's either easier to get back and forth to your
house to grab something if you need something, as opposed
to being you know, further away. And I also feel
like it's kind of a you know, it's kind of
a knock on you know, the local fan base, Like
they can't have to drive or commute to be able
to just go watch you know, training camp as opposed
to being able to see them, you know, every day
when you're you're getting ready to you know, before school starts,
(31:56):
go over and see practice or something like that and
then get ready for season. It's kind of a knock
on the local fan base there as well.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I still don't understand why the Cowboys come to Oxnard.
I don't get it, Like, I don't know what sense
that makes. Like this one, it's you know, kind of close.
The Cowboys are leaving Dallas and coming to Ventura County.
They're coming to Knoxnard. It doesn't make sense. I don't
know why they do it. I've never gotten Knoxnard. That's
what they call it. Yeah, but they call it the Nard,
(32:27):
but you know someone they call it. I mean, I
don't know. That's why I'm asking. Well, I'm sort of
a big deal. You know, a lot of a lot
of in laws. You know, I spend Christmas Eve, you
know with the in laws, or do Tamali's, we do Mariachi.
That Oxnard, California, not far from La Colonna. Why don't
(32:49):
you look that one up? No, it's not an ideal
place to be if if you're not part of La Colonia.
It's a yeah, it's sort of a well known gang
if you will. Yeah. So there's that going on. And
still the Dallas Cowboys decide to go have training camp
(33:09):
over there. I don't know why. Like, why can't you
like go to Oklahoma. You're right next to Oklahoma. See
what happens there. Find find a nice little place in Oklahoma.
All right, you're right next door. Go to go to
New Mexico. Like why why Oxnard, California? And it's not
even like the weather. It's coastal, so the weather is nice.
(33:30):
So it's not really like you're putting them in extreme
condition so that they can get ready for the season.
Like it's it's kind of a you know, there's a breeze,
it's near the ocean, you got. It just doesn't make
any sense to me. So I just wonder who comes
up with these plans and why they feel like they
have to go that far away from the from the
facility to try and get a team ready.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I have no idea either, but I think at one
point I always remember them hearing that they felt like
they were feeding into their their national fan base, right
like they've got a lot of Dallas Cowboys fans in California. Yeah,
that they were you know, helping to you know, give
them an opportunity to come watch the team practice and
go through training camp. That was what I what I understand,
(34:09):
And look, maybe that's part of what the Browns are
thinking here. Maybe they feel like they've got a decent
fan base in West Virginia and they've looked at it,
or it's just purely out of the fact that it's
a huge season for Cleveland, you know, for Kevin Stavanski,
for Deshaun Watson, for I think all parties involved.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
This is a this is a big year.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
This is as good of a rost as they've had
since they came back in nineteen ninety nine. I think
if you're looking at the amount of first round picks,
the amount of you know, talented players they've accumulated, Now,
this is that that window, right, you know where you've
got a few years where Deshaun Watson he's obviously you know,
under a contract with them for what.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Four more years into the guaranteed deal.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, Well, these these next two years, three years, that's
the window of time before if this thing doesn't work out,
it's all going to blow up. And I would I
would say not that he should be Kevin Stefanski's a
good head coach, but you could probably imagine if things
don't go well this year, everyone's going to look to
point the finger at someone, and it's not gonna be
(35:10):
Watson because of his contract, you can't move on from him,
and so I'll probably end up be in Kevin STEFANSI
if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah. On the by the way, I just thought of something.
Maybe if the Cowboys want to appeal to their national
fan base, why did they just do training camp and
skip Bayless's backyard. Seriously, I mean, what are we waiting for, Like,
let's make this happen. I mean, he's the one who
has kept them alive and in the news for as
long as he's done, and he's a diehard.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
There's been a lot of people who've kept the Cowboys
as a topic of conversation on studio shows for a while.
Right Rinson, repeat right, Dallas Cowboys. There's always going to
be a debate over Michael Jordan. Whoever else you think
is as good as Michael Jordan. What's the other what's
the other summertime topics?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh? Yeah, there's should they get rid of the home
run derby steroids? Or Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame?
That's always a good one.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
His reservice at some point.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, so they that always sparks back up.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
It is funny when you think about it. I would
if you were to say, over the past three or
four years, which team has had more national coverage? The
Chiefs are the Cowboys. Who would it be?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Oh? Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah? And the Chiefs have two Super Bowls, like they're
in the middle of a dynasty and the Cowboys are mediocrity. Personified.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, but the Cowboys they also find amazing ways to lose. Yeah,
I mean, if we're being real, I mean you could
you could recall the two minute SNAPO or whatever you
want to call that play with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Was that two years ago now?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And then you had the end of gameplay past as
Zeke Elliott his last play is a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
If I'm not stake and run, we got blown up?
Was that the first of forty nine ers?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Uh? Yeah? Yeah, I think both those were against the
forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I mean it's like, you can't you can't script up
a worse way that they've found. They've they've lost over
the past couple of years, Like there's always some exciting,
disastrous way in which they lose.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So when it comes to traveling, apparently on this show,
not a whole hell of a lot of luck when
it comes to certain members of this show trying to
travel and get to certain places in the airport. If
anybody follows LaVar Arrington on social media, if you follow
him on Instagram, King of the Mammals I believe is
his ig account, he chronicled the situation that was taking
(00:35):
place at an airport. He was at Frontier Days in Cheyenne,
Wyoming over the course of the weekend, and apparently one
delay led to two delays, led to three delays, led
to a back and forth with members of I believe
Delta Airlines was the culprit this time, and LaVar Arrington
(00:57):
was last checked stuck in an airport trying to get
back home. Thus, he cannot be on the show today
or do the show today. So if you followed along
to this show and heard any of these stories regarding
members of this show, it's not quite as bad. I
feel like we've actually seen a little bit of development
and some growth here, we've actually shown some positive upward
(01:18):
momentum because, in comparison to what Lee to Lap went
through during his travel excursions, Levar's I mean he's basically
at the taj Mahal. Lee slept outside a train station
and was bit by sewer rats as he tried to
catch a two hour nap to go shower with bums
(01:40):
in a train station bathroom just to try and make
sure he didn't at least have bo while he had
to sleep outside. So, if anybody's followed along, traveling apparently
has been a little bit of an issue for members
of this show, Brady Quinn and LaVar. Arrington is the
latest victim of having to sit in an airport because
the airline seemingly can't get there. You know what, together, is.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
This why you don't travel?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Is this an example of exactly That's why I travel
by train? I told you that, you know, by train,
by train, that's what I do. A little little amtraka,
you know, hop on Pacific surf Liner Ventura County, drops
you right off where you need to go, no hassle,
no nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I have not looked into the the saga or the
story that has been for his travels this this week.
I am curious though to hear how how Frontier days went.
But I'll have to go check out his his social media.
Well does he does he leave like a good account
of what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, he's sitting he appears to be sitting in front
of the help desk at an empty Delta Airline portion
of the airport. Uh, And he looks like he's like
got a phone in his hand or something like that.
And he's leaving this video talking about how unpleasant the
help was. Delta Airlines. I'm gonna put you on blast.
(02:58):
He also pointed out the fact that he, you know,
needs to get back to his kids because he needs
somebody to take care of his children. He's posting pictures
of the constant delays, so on and so forth. It
just all I keep hearing is nightmare situations in the
in the airports. Like I don't know, at some point,
(03:20):
is this just COVID, Like like the airports still are
trying to manage having to deal with people not wanting
to work there and not travel because of COVID, Like,
what the hell's going on with this crab?
Speaker 4 (03:30):
No, there's a bunch of different things going on. I
mean for starters I do. I mean, there's some strikes
that have been going on. I want to say it
was the Southwest Pilots. I forget which airline most recently
was dealing with it, but there's all sort of there's
usually some sort of work issue.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
With one of the airlines in regards to like their union.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think what's happened over time since since COVID is
there's just been a lack of any desire to like
try to help people when they are delayed or something's canceled.
It's just kind of like, well, like you know, you
could deal with this, just go online, go talk to
a bot. Like there's there's really not many people in
person who want to care to deal with that kind
(04:15):
that sort of thing. Yeah, I mean everything's got an
outsourced to, like a robot or a bot online, and
there's times where, like you're going to check in online,
I will be like, oh, you need to call, but
you'd like literally go through prompts where you still don't
talk to anyone.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And I'm not sure why it's pivoted to that.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's probably cheaper, you know, than then having to hire
someone and pay the benefits and everything else, but it's uh,
it's it definitely doesn't have anything to do with COVID.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, I would say this, if they want to enact change,
apparently the thing to do is get on a zoom call.
Like I don't know if you were familiar with that,
but apparently zoom calls are the are the new rave
that was.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
The thing to do through COVID. So you're right, yeah,
that would I mean, I guess you could make some
change there, right.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Apparently that was the plan of an attack for running
backs in the the NFL. Austin Eckler of the Chargers
organized a zoom call with other running backs. Now. On
that call reportedly were Nick Chubb, Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry,
Christian McCaffrey, Josh Jacobs, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN, and says
they kicked around ideas, but there was no major plans
(05:17):
to really come out of it, so I'm not really
sure what the point was. Nick Chubb actually spoke about
the call and sort of spoke about where they're at
and the status of things as a running back goes
in the NFL. Here's what we had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, I mean, right now, it's just tall, you know,
there's really nothing we can do. We're kind of we're
kind of handcuffed with the situation. But I mean, I
feel what I took from it. McCaffrey and Dereck Henry
and Say corn I had a lot of good points.
But the biggest thing is that we're don position that
our production hurts us the most. You know, if we
go out there and run for two thousand yards with
so many carriers, the next year, they're going to say,
(05:52):
you know, you're probably worn down. That's the biggest thing
that I took from it. It's just it's tough. You know,
it hurts us just to go to go out there
and do good. It hurts us at the day.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I don't know what really was the point of the
zoom call to his point, what can you really do
about it right now?
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, I think the one thing you can do about
it is you could collectively talk to all running backs
and you'd have to draw a line in the sand
and say we're gonna strike, like even guys who are
under contract, Nick Chubb or Derrick Henry or whoever else
you want to throw into the conversation. Chris McCaffrey they're
(06:30):
gonna collectively say we are trying to as a position group.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Not just the stars, all of them, we're gonna strike.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And there's a risk to that, right because as we know,
there's a bunch of running backs who play in the USFL,
the XFL, the CFL. There's people in the street who
probably feel like they could still play. I mean, they
would literally be jumping in to fill that void. So
that's the tough part is it's a position that it's gotten,
(07:01):
it's gotten tough to be able to sign those big deals,
and it's tough not to acknowledge what Nick Chubb just
mentioned that as soon as they have a ton of success,
you know, with that comes, you know, a depreciating asset.
You don't look at a wide receiver that way, or
a quarterback or a left tackle or anyone else. You know,
justin Jefferson or excuse me, Tyreek Hill is the one
(07:22):
that said he's gonna catch with two thousand yards. You
know what, you're not going to save the following year.
Always run down, it's not what you say. But with
running backs, there's a lot of validity to what he said.
You know, their success, especially in college, you would hear
guys who are like you know that they they come
out of college like, well, they're a three year starter,
super successful.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, how much tread do they have left on
the tire.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
That's how you hear people talk about running backs to
the college level, and so that's why you know a
lot of schools where it's Georgia is probably most most famously,
has had kind of a running back by committee and
it's protected a lot of those guys to be more
valued when when they get draft through when they get
to the NFL because they haven't had to have the
ball to the carries.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
So outside of a strike.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Which would really hammer home the point and d force
maybe the NFL to come back to them and say, okay,
let's try to iron out some protections and some things.
You know, maybe we've got a player performance pool that's
traditionally gone to players who don't have big contracts that
(08:26):
have high production. So like, maybe more of that those
funds get devoted to running backs. It might be unfair
to other position groups, but you know, that was something
that got implemented in the twenty eleven CBA and it's
stuck around since and it's been a way of rewarding
performance for guys who you know, maybe aren't necessarily contracted
(08:49):
and getting paid that much. So there's there's there's ideas,
but you know, ultimately Nick Chubb said it, there's really
nothing they could do there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
They're handcuffed.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's a byproduct of the economics of the NFL well,
and I don't think it's changing anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
When your point about there's players on the outside, you know, USFL, XFL, CFL,
et cetera, et cetera, there's guys that are on the
outside that are looking for a chance, and I know
that they want to. Let's say they strike and they say,
let's all get together, Let's do this for our position group.
Let's do this for you know, our our brothers that
(09:24):
are in the running back room across the league, and
let's do this for all future running backs. If I'm
one of these guys on the outside, I look, I
appreciate it. I know that there's a fraternity. I get
all that. But if I'm looking for an opportunity and
I've got a family, that's my priority. It's not the
running back position. And so if I get a chance
to you know, make pennies or the league minimum or
(09:47):
one or two million dollars a year. I'll gladly take
it if it means taking care of my family. And
I just find it hard to believe that you're going
to find enough guys that are going to say, hey,
we're all in to really enact any sort of change.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's always been the issue with players striking in the NFL,
and the NFL owners know it. They've always banked on
the fact that there'd be someone to replace that void immediately.
And also to your point, they know from that standpoint
that you know, most players, especially in NFL standards, you know,
if it's a three year average career span, most of
(10:22):
the guys are you know, trying it to cash in
for however much for that short window of time, and
they leverage that and they use that against a lot
of athletes like you can find cheaper labor, and there's
not going to be that big of a difference. I mean,
think about this. For example, you know you average over
four yards per attempt. You know, that's about where where
(10:43):
every team wants you to be. And so let's say,
as you know, one of the stars, you're at four
point eight, four point nine yards per attempt and they
bring someone else into averages four point two who might
be saving them a lot of money. You know, over
a period of a season that that four point two,
you know, it adds up. It's not gonna be quite
as much, but it doesn't seem like it's that big
(11:05):
of a difference.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But the cost savings are monumental.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Like you're talking about, you know, paying a guy maybe
league minimum at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars versus
Pana guy ten point one million, which is a big difference.
So that's how they look at it, and they're like, yeah,
we can get by as long as we've got you know,
the quarterback, the wide receiver, the left tackle, you know,
the cornerback, and the edge rusher. As long as you
got are those guys paid, That's that's all really matters,
(11:31):
and we'll build.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Our roster around that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
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Speaker 2 (11:47):
So apparently things are a little feisty for the New
York Jets at training camp. They've got Hard Knocks, which
you set to debut, you know, coming up at some
When is the debut of Hard Knocks? Is it this week? Well?
This week, I would assume, because the Hall of Fame
games coming up August third, the Hall of Fame games
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coming up, and.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'm doing is Shark Week right now? Shark Week started
off last week.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It is Shark Week right now.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Oh yeah, it's back.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I'm seeing Tuesday, August eighth. Okay, so it's going to
be after the Hall of Fame game. Well, it's unfortunate,
all right. So the point is, the cameras are rolling
and apparently we had multiple fights in practice. I mean,
guys are throwing down, they are heated up, they are
fired up for the season, and they're Head coach Robert
Sala spoke about the fisticuffs at practice for the New
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York Jets.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
It's training, ken. These guys are fighting for their lives,
fighting for their livelihood, right They're trying to get on
teams or trying to compete their tail off to get
into a starting lineup, to earn a spot on the roster,
to earn a role, and so fights are gonna happen,
and it's like, you know, I tell them when you're
when you're fighting with your family, you got to rule.
You got to rule as a family. I'll tell my
seven kids, keep it below the neck, above the waist,
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you know, So the skirmishes are gonna happen, don't throw
a punch, you're gonna get into your shoving match. Get on,
move on, get over with it. We got a lot
of stuff to do, but they're gonna happen. And pretend
like they're not gonna happen. You're you're just fooling yourself.
But that's a that's a product of people competing their
tails off, trying to earn something more than it is,
just uncontrolled anger.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I tell my kids, blow the neck above the.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Way liver body shots, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You're right to the solar plexuses seven kids and they're
just lethal to the body.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You love how he dropped that subtly, like, yeah, I
told my seven kids, didn't seven kids?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Good for him?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Man, Okay, good Briand guy stays busy.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No one runs his steps before games. He's just trying
to get away.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So that's a lot going on. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm questioning how legit the fights are this early in camp,
Like typically you get fights once you get through the
first week or two, because guys get tired of, you know,
hitting each other.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
They get tired of going up against each other.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
There's there's natural fatigue, crankiness set in any way, they're
sore that they you know, it's a little easier for
guys to get upset by something, so this early in
camp to have one, you kind of feel like it
might be more for the cameras they let hard knocks,
you know, I mean, I I realized it could also
just be early in camp. You get a couple of
young guys who don't, you know, know how to go
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a certain speed. Like there's different speeds if it's a walkthrough,
if it's a whatever kind of period you're going you're
going in. And sometimes young guys who are trying to
make a statement, are trying to make the roster. They
don't know how to handle themselves versus a veteran, and
and they'll they'll tick off a veteran by doing.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Something that the veteran's like, no, no, no, no, that's not how.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
This works, young bull, Like you you got to go
at a certain speed in this drill this in game
speed yet, but we're we're eventually getting there, and sometimes
you'll get some guys that tick off other players. I'll
never forget von Miller. Von Miller when he got in
as a rookie, it didn't matter what it was. It
didn't matter if it was a walkthrough, didn't matter if
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it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know, helmet and jerseys. He went full speed every
single time and it made so many of the offensive
linemen and Denver mad.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
It would like start fights like I mean literally, and
that was just he had one speed. He was going full,
full go every single time, and it literally made guys mad.
And I remember sitting there kind of watching it, thinking, well,
I mean, he's a special player. You know, he does
this for a reason, and he's not going to adapt
to them. He's gonna make them adapt to him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah. I just I don't know that even if there's
fights that, are you gonna watch Hard Knocks? Be honest, I.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Might watch some some pieces of it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I've just I've kind of grown out of Yeah, I
just want to to watch this much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I just I think there's so much coverage of the
NFL and we've seen like so many versions of Hard
knocks and I'm just kind of okay. I mean, even
if there are some brawls like it just feels like
it's a water down product. I would say this though.
Aaron Rodgers was on local radio in New York and
he was talking about just sort of his plan and
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you know, talking to you know, Rothenberg and Dpa Trow
in New York and just telling him just kind of,
you know, whether or not he's going to be their
long term or what his timeline is as a Jets quarterback.
Take a listen and tell me what you think of this.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Jets gave up a lot for me, so, you know,
to just play one year I think would be a disservice. Now,
if that one year turns out to be a magical year,
who knows. But it's more than that. It's how my
body feels.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Don't you think Rogers probably has also more a realistic
expectation of this, because people are already talking Super Bowl
with the Jets, and Rogers is probably thinking, let's slow
down a little bit here, all right. The AFC is
a pretty daunting task. Our division's pretty tough, and that's
not including Kansas City, Cincinnati and some of the other
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teams that are in the conference. I'd like to have
at least more than one bite at the apple before
we start talking about all right, one and done, because
you got a Super Bowl. I think he's probably got
a little bit more of a realistic approach than a
lot of people covering the Jets or Jets fans have
right now.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I think there's the team's success and what they're
able to do this season. Then the biggest thing that
he pointed out, and I think how he's always operated
is he wants to reevaluate after the season and see
how he feels both physically mentally like he's different in
that sense, and so he's going to go through his
process of evaluating what he feels like he wants to
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try to accomplish. But I think you heard the initial
part and it is it's interesting if you go back
and think about how when he went into the meditation hut,
he was about ready to retire, at least that was
maybe his intention, and then when he got out of it,
hearing about the Packers trying to trade him behind his back,
and whatever communication dinner did not happen, or efforts to
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make communication dinner and that did not happen with FaceTime.
It led to a trade, and it led to him
signing with a team that you know, he now feels
like maybe he can make a run with the next
few years. And it's the first time he's been away
from the Green Bay Packers, that organization, and it's a
very different situation.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
He's in the number one media market.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's with a franchise that's clamoring for success, versus one
that you know, he was replacing a Hall of famer,
and and that that Hall of famer and that.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Team had won Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean, the Jets, it's been so long, there's probably
a generation that that wasn't around, wasn't alive for it,
and really hasn't had you know, seen them have much success.
So there is like this rejuvenation of a fan base
that's so excited for him to be there that it's
it's got to feel good.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know. I'm not saying.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The Packers took him for granted, at least not the
fan base, but but maybe you had the front office
to some degree did and maybe there are some fans
who took him for granted to want to move on.
But this is this is that opportunity for him to
prove otherwise, and I think it was a pretty heavy cost,
you know, for him to go there. So I'm sure
he wants to give it more than just a year.
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Like if he's going to take on this daunting task,
and you touched on it, like, the AFC is so
much more competitive, there's a lot more parody. They didn't
make a super Bowl back when he was in an
NFC that was much easier to navigate through, right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
With home field multiple times.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
And now you've got to deal with the AFC and
all these quarterbacks and just a much tougher division, let
alone conference. So I think he understands that it's a
daunting task and probably has more of an idea in
his head. But I think he also feels, you know,
rejuvenated with the opportunity to play on a roster that's
ready to win right now everywhere around that quarterback position,
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despite how tough it's gonna be to navigate.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And let's maybe see what happens over the next you know,
two three years.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
What would you say is a proper expectation for the
Jets and Aaron Rodgers in this time there? Okay, Well,
to me.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That's a playoff team last year with better quarterback play,
which was was was their Achilles heal, and it was
why I was never a believer in the team last year,
because as good as the roster has been built, it
was the one spot they just couldn't admit that they
had missed on and and and that's fine, and now
they haven't they addressed it and then they'll have him
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moving forward, which to me makes them.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
A playoff team.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
I'm not sure what they win the division, but I
think it's it's safe to say that's that's what they
will be next year.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And that's what because I think if if they were
to get to a playoffs or get to the playoffs
and say they get to the divisional round, or say
they get to an AFC championship, I still feel like
there's going to be some people that go, yeah, but
for all that and for Aaron Rodgers kind of disappointing,
and I totally disagree. I think people's expectations for them
is so far gone that they forget the fact that
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the Jets have finished last in that division six of
the last seven years. They've been awful for like a
half century, Like they've been awful and the idea that
you're going to add Rogers and your expectation is super
Bowl or bust. And I think there's a lot of
that out there. I just don't buy into it. If
they make the playoffs and they win a playoff game,
I would say that's a successful first year for Aaron Rodgers.
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And at the end of the two years they make
a couple of playoff appearances but never get to a
super Bowl. I'm not going to call a thing a failure.
They gave it a shot. It's a tough conference, and
they were a better football team with him than they
were without him.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
They have the longest playoffs are out to they.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Not yeah, I think so twelve years? Yes, Like yeah,
I mean been a while.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And that's that's what I'm saying, Like people have to
kind of tend to realize like where they've been and
what they've gone through, and that this would be a huge,
you know, moment for them just to be able to
get into the playoffs. You win a game too, icing
on the cake. You keep building from there. And it's
still a really young roster. You know, a lot of
these guys don't know necessarily how to win yet and
hopefully Aaron Rodgers to be able to show them that.
I think the other thing that, you know, Rogers is
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gonna have a great opportunity to do.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And I'm not saying he didn't in.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Green Bay, but it's a small market, you know, arguably
green Bay's, you know, the smallest I think you could
probably you could make that case. He's now in the
number one media market, Like I think there's going to
be so many marketing opportunities.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's had the national stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Like we've all seen the State farm commercials, but you
probably have a lot more of like the easier local
New York you know, marketing deals and opportunities that he
didn't necessarily have as much in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And that's also like money that's coming.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
From the outside that maybe wasn't there before that he
could tap into it. And he's made a ton of money.
I know he's not I don't want to say he's
not motivated by money. I think that's a portion of it.
But I also think there's even just greater opportunity there
for him. So why wouldn't you try to maximize that
instead of just doing a one year you know, let's
see what happens and being there for two or three
years and seeing where you're capable of building too.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
In that capacity.
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Speaker 2 (23:41):
Hey, I'm telling you right now, We've got the FSRIR
coming up later on this hour. I think we're probably
gonna have another one tomorrow from LeVar. I don't know
what it will happen during the show, but I would
imagine the first segment of tomorrow show is going to
be hijacked by LeVar. Hijack's probably not the right term
to use. I'm sorry about that, but the point is
he is going to have some venting to do when
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it comes to his travel experience leaving Frontier days in Wyoming.
So it's unfortunate, but hey, welcome to traveling. Apparently in
twenty twenty three on airlines across the country it is too.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Can you give out the social media information though, just
in case people are wondering and they want to look
up what's happening with LeVar right now?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, it's King of All Mammals, I believe on Instagram
that's the the IG account. I believe King of the Mammals. Yep,
I mean that too, you know. I mean at this point,
you can see there's a great video there where Levar's
got a phone to his ear but.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Done yes, which is rare in today's times, one.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Of those old school ones that you would just pull
off the wall. And he's sitting down in front of
an empty Delta front desk, and he's got the landline
and the little you know, the cord all the way
attached to the phone, and he's got it near right
to his ear. And I don't know if if he's
leaving a voicemail on that landline or if he's just
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using it as a prop for his video. But whatever
it is, I mean, well done, well spoken, you know,
got all his points across and then you know, posted
some screenshots as well too of the constant delays, and hey,
that's the way this stuff works now when you travel.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I'm still wondering, you know, could it have been a
different airline, Like could he have maybe he's supposed to
be on United or American?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like sorry, sorry, you're flying on Southwest. I mean, he
wasn't going that far to where you could. There's a
lot of options, so it's not like he's traveling to
the East coast and some of the smaller airlines don't
fly at a certain airport. It's like, you know, it
wasn't going that far. It's one time's on a way.
I mean, it feels like there's a lot of options there.
So if it turns out and by the way, if
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it does turn out that he just had the wrong
airline altogether, do you think he would ever tell us? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Probably not, although I hope you'd at least issue a
policy to Delta.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, that ain't happened either. He would he would just
let everybody forget about I don't want to talk about it.
I don't want because the one person you wouldn't want
to acknowledge that mistake to would be Brady Quinn. I'm
telling you right now, if I ever did that, I
would never tell you about it. Why because I would
get my balls broken for the rest of time. If
that was ever the.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Case, there might be a few subtle reminders for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Subtle reminders would be like, Hey, just so you know,
the show starts tomorrow at six am Eastern time. I
just want to make sure you know that it's the
right network. I don't want you popping up on another network, Okay,
And it would just be off and running every so
that the meat Wagon would probably chime in with something
like there would just be constant reminders. I would never
tell you if I got the wrong airline. Okay, But
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a former first round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns,
(27:14):
a man who has gone to training camp with the
Cleveland Browns before. He has intimate knowledge of the situation
there in Cleveland, which apparently has moved to West Virginia,
White Sulfur Springs, the Greenbrier, that is where the Cleveland
Browns are having training camp and they're Head coach Kevin
(27:34):
Stefanski spoke about the Browns new training camp location getting
ready for the season.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
You know, team building and team bonding, those type of
things that's organic. I really think just being on a
bus together, you're building your team, being on airplane, being
around each other. I think what this allows us to do,
obviously is we're landlocked here.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We're in the middle of nowhere. By design.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Really, it forces you just to be around your teammates,
all right, So there we go.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean, he's not wrong.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
There's only a couple of training camps, well, I guess
one where we actually went somewhere else besides the team facility.
Most most teams now don't go anywhere, and part of
that reasoning is they want to try to get some
of the revenue by having fans come in for the
daily practice. It's like another revenue driver, if you will, right,
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Fans who maybe can't always either afford tickets to a
game or make it out, you know, for whatever reason
during the season. Sometimes they can make a trip of
it during training camp come out see the players. Sometimes
it's free for fans, sometimes they charge them. Whatever the
case is. It's just a different way of getting fans
more involved, and you have more control over it because
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it's not your facility, and so it's kind of like
a cost cutting measure and then maybe a chance to
make some money at least. That was always my experience,
and in particular in Cleveland even always had it right
there at the Producte facility, and it made it kind
of easy for the fans. They had a whole fan
experience there that was pretty cool. Going off to a
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whether it's a small college or a destination like this,
it does kind of make it centralized where you really
can't go anywhere. I mean, you're just there and you
do get some of those bonding moments, but it's not
like college like where college like you know you're a
college kid and you know you're you're all going to
be hanging around one another. You know, guys don't have families,
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you know, for the most part, it's just it's different
when you go in the NFL and you go away,
guys are hanging out a little bit, but it's not
like it used to be.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I mean, especially in.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Small towns like that, it's kind of hard to get
away without people noticing you. You know, if guys wanted
to try to go out and grab a beer or
go out to eat something like that, they're going to
find you. And so it's it's just it usually doesn't
have the same impact that I think coaches and organizations
used to grab from this as opposed to you know,
just going through the training camp to set your roster
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and head into the season. The bonding happens a lot
more in season than it does in training camp anymore.
It's just it's a different day and age.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
In the end, I've always wondered about that, would players
prefer to be closer to their family at training camp
at the team facility, or to go away and try
and you know, get in gear and and just get
get ready to go. Like there's they'll talk about fight camps.
Guys will go to Big Bear and just disappear and
not be around their family. I would want to be
around my family. I want, I want, I would want
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the opportunity to see my family, especially in the middle
of a training camp, just as if anything, just for
the mental break possibly of hey, you know, if I
could you know, drive and go, you know, grab lunch
with them, or whatever the case may be. I've wondered
how many guys really would prefer just to disappear altogether
and get away from it all, as opposed to the
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number of guys that would rather have the option to
be local and closer to home.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
There's some who don't mind it, but I think the
thing that always, you know, stood out to me. It
was just the hassle of having to move into some
place for a few weeks then move back out of
it like it's it kind of stinks, and you're and
if you think about the living standards of most of
the guys who are on that roster, you're moving into
a dorm. Like some of these guys have lavish houses
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and they've got really nice beds they like to sleep
in when they're back home. And for in some camps,
the veterans don't even have to stay necessarily in the
team hotel if they don't want to. Some of them
will want to, just if they have young kids and
they want to, you know, try to sleep in a
little bit and get away.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
They can do that. But to your point, it's easier
to see the family.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
It's either easier to get back and forth to your
house to grab something if you need something, as opposed
to being you know, further away. And I also feel
like it's kind of a you know, it's kind of
a knock on you know, the local fan base, Like
they can't have to drive or commute to be able
to just go watch you know, training camp as opposed
to being able to see them, you know, every day
when you're you're getting ready to you know, before school starts,
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go over and see practice or something like that and
then get ready for season. It's kind of a knock
on the local fan base there as well.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I still don't understand why the Cowboys come to Oxnard.
I don't get it, Like, I don't know what sense
that makes. Like this one, it's you know, kind of close.
The Cowboys are leaving Dallas and coming to Ventura County.
They're coming to Knoxnard. It doesn't make sense. I don't
know why they do it. I've never gotten Knoxnard. That's
what they call it. Yeah, but they call it the Nard,
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but you know someone they call it. I mean, I
don't know. That's why I'm asking. Well, I'm sort of
a big deal. You know, a lot of a lot
of in laws. You know, I spend Christmas Eve, you
know with the in laws, or do Tamali's, we do Mariachi.
That Oxnard, California, not far from La Colonna. Why don't
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you look that one up? No, it's not an ideal
place to be if if you're not part of La Colonia.
It's a yeah, it's sort of a well known gang
if you will. Yeah. So there's that going on. And
still the Dallas Cowboys decide to go have training camp
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over there. I don't know why. Like, why can't you
like go to Oklahoma. You're right next to Oklahoma. See
what happens there. Find find a nice little place in Oklahoma.
All right, you're right next door. Go to go to
New Mexico. Like why why Oxnard, California? And it's not
even like the weather. It's coastal, so the weather is nice.
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So it's not really like you're putting them in extreme
condition so that they can get ready for the season.
Like it's it's kind of a you know, there's a breeze,
it's near the ocean, you got. It just doesn't make
any sense to me. So I just wonder who comes
up with these plans and why they feel like they
have to go that far away from the from the
facility to try and get a team ready.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I have no idea either, but I think at one
point I always remember them hearing that they felt like
they were feeding into their their national fan base, right
like they've got a lot of Dallas Cowboys fans in California. Yeah,
that they were you know, helping to you know, give
them an opportunity to come watch the team practice and
go through training camp. That was what I what I understand,
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And look, maybe that's part of what the Browns are
thinking here. Maybe they feel like they've got a decent
fan base in West Virginia and they've looked at it,
or it's just purely out of the fact that it's
a huge season for Cleveland, you know, for Kevin Stavanski,
for Deshaun Watson, for I think all parties involved.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
This is a this is a big year.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
This is as good of a rost as they've had
since they came back in nineteen ninety nine. I think
if you're looking at the amount of first round picks,
the amount of you know, talented players they've accumulated, Now,
this is that that window, right, you know where you've
got a few years where Deshaun Watson he's obviously you know,
under a contract with them for what.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Four more years into the guaranteed deal.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, Well, these these next two years, three years, that's
the window of time before if this thing doesn't work out,
it's all going to blow up. And I would I
would say not that he should be Kevin Stefanski's a
good head coach, but you could probably imagine if things
don't go well this year, everyone's going to look to
point the finger at someone, and it's not gonna be
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Watson because of his contract, you can't move on from him,
and so I'll probably end up be in Kevin STEFANSI
if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah. On the by the way, I just thought of something.
Maybe if the Cowboys want to appeal to their national
fan base, why did they just do training camp and
skip Bayless's backyard. Seriously, I mean, what are we waiting for, Like,
let's make this happen. I mean, he's the one who
has kept them alive and in the news for as
long as he's done, and he's a diehard.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
There's been a lot of people who've kept the Cowboys
as a topic of conversation on studio shows for a while.
Right Rinson, repeat right, Dallas Cowboys. There's always going to
be a debate over Michael Jordan. Whoever else you think
is as good as Michael Jordan. What's the other what's
the other summertime topics?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh? Yeah, there's should they get rid of the home
run derby steroids? Or Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame?
That's always a good one.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
His reservice at some point.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, so they that always sparks back up.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
It is funny when you think about it. I would
if you were to say, over the past three or
four years, which team has had more national coverage? The
Chiefs are the Cowboys. Who would it be?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Oh? Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah? And the Chiefs have two Super Bowls, like they're
in the middle of a dynasty and the Cowboys are mediocrity. Personified.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Yeah, but the Cowboys they also find amazing ways to lose. Yeah,
I mean, if we're being real, I mean you could
you could recall the two minute SNAPO or whatever you
want to call that play with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Was that two years ago now?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And then you had the end of gameplay past as
Zeke Elliott his last play is a Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
If I'm not stake and run, we got blown up?
Was that the first of forty nine ers?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Uh? Yeah? Yeah, I think both those were against the
forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
I mean it's like, you can't you can't script up
a worse way that they've found. They've they've lost over
the past couple of years, Like there's always some exciting,
disastrous way in which they lose.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
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