August 8, 2023 • 49 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Orioles prove we’ve all gone soft after suspending announcer Kevin Brown. The ACC explores the possibility of brining in Cal and Stanford. The guys are rooting for Baker Mayfield. Nick Bosa and Zack Martin continue their hold outs. The Jaguars unveil state of the art urinals. Light Beers vs IPA’s, dried up toothpaste and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar arrings Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Box Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can we get into this discussion about that's really swept
across the sports media landscape because people are trying to
figure out what the hell is going on. So, Kevin
Brown is a broadcaster for the Baltimore Orioles and he
has not been doing games on TV for a little
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while now. July twenty third was the last time anybody
had heard from him. And then a report came out
from Awful announcing yesterday that the reason that Kevin Brown
has not been on Orioles broadcast is because of comments
he made before a game against the Rays in late July.
And so you're thinking to yourself, man, you must have
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really slipped up and said something awful, you know, maybe
dropped an F bomb, maybe insulted you know somebody. Maybe
he said yes, all sorts of Yeah. He could have
been drinking in the booth. You must have done something terrible.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, or maybe skiing up in the booth. Yes, that
is a lot of magic tricks making the lines of
powder disappeared.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Just like where'd it go?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, just like there could have been anything. And apparently
this is what Kevin Brown said on mass and television
before a Rais Orioles game that got him some sort
of a suspension or a punishment from the organization. Let's
take a listen.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Brandon hed has felt like this has been maybe the
toughest ballpark to play in. But the Orioles have a
chance to do something special today. They've already clinched at
least a split in the series, winning two of the
first three, and they could pick up a series win
behind Tyler Wells today. It's been a minute. The Orioles
split a two gamer with the Rays in June. They
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had lost their last fifteen series here at Trump mcadafield.
You have to go back to when are now colleague
Bratt Brock picked up the win and the series finale
June twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, the last time the Oriols
won a series here in Saint Pete.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Already got three and two of the Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
This year after winning three of eighteen the previous three years. Comebine,
it is a stark difference, Ben, and it is not a.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Bad race team.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
It's not like all of a sudden, the race became
slouches in the American leagueest they've led this division every day,
but now two and the Orioles once again are back alone.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
In first place.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, other than the awful music underneath that was courtesy
of the broadcast there on Masson, what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Honestly, I watched the clip two to three times and
I thought, oh, maybe someone edited it wrong, put out
the part that was controversial. Where's the thought set? Yeah,
the cuss word, where's the disparaging comment about something? I
cannot believe that this is actually what he's being suspended for.
(03:10):
First off, and then you know, he's a good play
by play.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If if the Oils were to move on from him,
someone would look to pick him up in a heartbeat,
it would not take long. As soon as that news
hit his phone would start ringing. There's no doubt about it.
This also goes to show you how soft things have gotten,
and I'm glad. And here's the one thing that's that's
good from this is the pushback from a lot of
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people in the industry on at least social media when
they saw this, because they're all like, Okay, we're going
too far if these are the lengths that we're willing
to go because we're that soft, because we can't talk
about the fact that the Oils have struggled versus the
Tampa Bay Devil Rays, which Kevin Brown, you know, touched
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on the fact that it's not like the Devil Rays
or something slouch. They've actually been really good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I love that you went Derays by the way, nice
little throwback raise. Okay, whatever, I like the Devil Rays.
Let's just keep calling him that damn raise.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I mean technically that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Anyway, the point is this is like, this is how
soft we've gotten, like we we can't be we can't
tell anything how it actually is, like what the facts are.
And the one thing that you'll catch in there is
he's taught like like a lot of times when you
have a stat and you and you work with someone
who was like the last time they had won something
or done something in this case, which is what he
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was referring to, right, He's going to try to find
a way of working that in there. And I forget
that what's his name something.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Brock Uh, Yeah, I forget, but I know the point
you're making.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you can play and listen
to it again. You'll hear him say, hey, last time
since our colleague and like that's those are usually stats,
your stats people, or you can find behind that you
you try to weave in there to incorporate one of
the guys who with you as part of that conversation,
to make a natural segue. And that's like hearing that,
I was like, Oh, okay, is that what they're so
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frustrated by the fact that they were at fifteen and one,
I think is what it was, and they had won
their you know, previous there three or whatever it was
before that could be three, three and eighteen, and it
just it's crazy to me how soft things have gotten
in our society in general. We just can't talk about
the facts. We can't acknowledge what's actually factual now and
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stated exactly how it is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He didn't bury the organization. He pointed out a truth.
They've struggled against a team and that was it. And
to your point, when he's building up to the transition
to hand it off to the guy in the booth
who was part of a team that was last fill
in the blank, the last time these teams met that's
just an easy transition. That's called a smooth transition. That's
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called people behind the scenes recognizing, Hey, this is the
commonality we have in the booth, and that's how we'd go.
It'd be the same thing if Robstone talked about something
on Big Noon Kickoff and said.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He's done this before.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, say the last time this happened, Brady Quinn, you
were the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Literally the last time I think Notre Dame had a
road win versus Top ten, top five, whatever it was.
I mean it's still to this day. You know, he
could still reference that if he wanted to. And like,
I don't think people a Notre Dame are calling into
Fox saying that's a disparaging comment. You need to handle
this with Rob Stone or I mean, that's part of
how broadcasting works. You're looking for natural segues.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now, the Orioles have apparently disputed the fact that he
was suspended. They wrote to Awful Announcing or reached out
and said, we don't comment on personal matters. We look
forward to hearing Kevin's voice soon. Now there's there to me.
I kept the same as you. I kept watching the
clip over and over, waiting for him to say something
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bad waiting for Is there a tail end of this?
Is there a longer version of this? To your point?
Is there editing what happened here? And I was confused.
I even went so far as to just see comments
below whatever the tweet was. Maybe somebody caught something that
I didn't catch and it never made any sense, And
I just can't help But wonder, okay, is there's something
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else going on? Is there something else behind the scenes,
But we haven't gotten any of that. And apparently, according
to everybody involved, no, this really was the problem. They
didn't like that he was being I don't know if
it's negative or pointing out a negative statistic about the team,
but the whole thing's ridiculous. And this is the one
problem where if you work for a team or if
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you cover a team. And I remember talking to Mike
North about this the Chicago radio legend, and he would
talk about how one of the things that he respected
about teams in the city in Chicago or the be
the Cubs, that certain players and certain coaches were totally
cool with it, they had no issue with it whatsoever,
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but that ownership would sometimes get bothered by it, and
they wouldn't like the fact that you would be critical
about it. But as long as you were upfront about
it and you weren't taking personal shots and you weren't
going in a personal direction, everybody was fine. There was
nothing personal here, There was no problems, there was no issue.
He pointed out a statistic, He pointed out a troubling
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trend that the Orioles have had against the race by
the way, best team in the American League, one of
the best teams in baseball, one of the best stories
of the year. And this is what people know about
the Orioles this year. And that's a credit to how
misread the Orioles organization was on the topic, and they
embarrassed themselves. And now you've got people around the league
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airing them out and talking about great story, great organization.
Brandon Hide, the manager there, has done a phenomenal job.
And yet here we are and we're talking about them
wanting to move on or punish an announcer rather because
he made comments about a trend in a poor direction
for the Orioles, even though they're the second the second
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best team in baseball, a game behind the Age and
the best teams in the in the el. It doesn't
make any sense to me. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, No, it may say sense. I mean unless there's
something more behind the scenes that we're not aware of
or not privy to. And maybe sometimes the organization tries
to cover that sort of stuff up because they don't
want it to become public. That's part of it. But again,
it's just it bothers me that it takes people on
social media to be able to point this out. How
how incredibly you know, soft or just I'm not even
(09:28):
sure like and unless you just go extremely hard in
the paint against the Baltimore Oreals, which I don't. I
don't know the people within that organization. It feels like
there has to be more to this and we're just
not getting all of the facts because there was nothing
he said that A wasn't factual and b would put
him in a position where he gets suspended for what
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he did. Either way, though, the show moves on. And
that's the unfortunate part with broadcasting is even for someone
who does a great job like him, this, this show will
continue to move on and they'll find someone to replace
them if they want. And that's one of the things
you mentioned. Working for a team. They don't care. There's
plenty of people who want to sign up for that job.
(10:10):
There's plenty of people who want to travel with the
team and do all those things. I remember when I
used to work for you know, serious XEM on the
NFL channel that was a partner with the NFL, and
through certain periods of time when when you would be
extremely critical of Roger Goodell, or you'd be extremely critical
of a particular subject, someone would reach out to you. Really,
(10:31):
Oh yeah, I mean it's not like working for an
NFL network where it was NFL owned, but you would
get you would get a producer, you get someone who'd
reach out, or you might get a phone call from
one of the bosses that would say, you know, I
don't tone this down. I don't know. I mean, you
really had to be careful about the lines that were
crossed in regards to how you would go about talking
about certain subjects. There's no doubt that there was times
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where it was like that. And that's not even again,
an entity that's owned by the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I can't do you remember one time getting a call
from Scotch Shapiro or Don Martin or boss saying, well,
not yet Yeah, well that's true, but like you guys
can't talk about this or hey, what you said there
was problematic and somebody really has an issue other than c. J.
Stroud's agent because it ruined a photo op for him.
Like I can't think of a time that they reached out.
(11:25):
I mean there was one time where I was misquoted
on a message that was sent out by somebody at
the network about the RAMS, and the RAMS threatened to
They said, if he doesn't go on the air and
apologize next time, you will not have another player appear
on your network. And they reached out. I said I
never said that, and they went back and listened to it.
(11:45):
They're like, yeah, never said it. You know, somehow got
lost in translation on social media.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, well, there was a just a post that was
put out by.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You never said it. Why don't you just say it?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, it was something along the lines of Jared Goff
is a bust and the RAMS organization is a failure.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like it was, Oh, I thought you meant about his
dad Jack.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, listen Jared Goff's dad Jack.
I have no no knowledge of anything that's going on
with that family or why he named himself that even
though that's not his real name. And again, if we're
gonna get into.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
The way that one of those things where like Jack's
the nickname for another name?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Not sure, you know, Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
There's some there's some odd ones out there. I'm sure
Lee could can attest this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But what could be his middle name?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Who know? You know, like someone's name of Robert. You
know their their name is Bob, right, Like, there's some
other names that are cut down like that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's a great point now.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But there's plenty of that are like that. Yeah, but
there there's a few that you're like, all right, I
don't understand that the connection there, Like, for example, my
grandmother's name is Margaret for short, they go by Peggy.
Peggy's like a nickname for Margaret, which makes no sense
to me. I don't even understand how you get from
Margaret to Peggy.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Richard didn't Dick, Yeah, I never understood that.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't get Dick and Richard.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I don't. I don't understand that one.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I got a friend named Alex. I guess Alex and
Sandy what together? Yeah, I've heard that a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
What are you talking about? I don't get it either, yea,
Alex and Sandy are you saying?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Are you saying Sandy Alamar's real name might have been Alex?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like Alex Alomar completely changes the discussion.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It doesn't even sound as good. Yeah, it makes him
baseball player.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, that doesn't you.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
No, I'm still not sure about that, but I've been
told all right.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean I thought Jonas could bring one to the table.
He really hasn't so far.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, I'm a little confused as to why Alex Rodriguez's
real name is now.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Sandy Sandy Rodriguez.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, that kind of kind of changes things, but nonetheless it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Could be Sandy, I guess. Is the point.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
By the way, how about the punishment Brady in the
Guardians White Sox fight where Tim Anderson got double the
games that Jose Ramirez got.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well it felt like he instigated it, right, Yeah, which
I think if you watch the fight, you could see
the fact he drops his glove, he puts up the
fists up, you know, he's like, oh, camera, you know,
Duke just went out and uh, yeah, it kind of
felt like he might have instigated that. So I can
understand why they are giving him double I'm just surprised
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no one in Major League Baseball looked at what occurred
and were like, you know what he uh, he got
knocked out pretty good?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, what do I want to?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Go ahead? Just give him the same as Ramirez.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's like, come on, I would I would rather be
suspended more games and not have gotten wabbled like he did. Like,
if you get wobbled, that should take off three of
those games. Just make it three and three and he's
gonna have to wear that for the rest of his career.
It's like Jose Batista, Jose Batista. When you think of
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Jose Batista, he had big hits, big home runs, was
a really good player of the Orioles. All you think
about is rugnetto d'Or cracking him with that right hand.
But Lis Jose Batista stood up all right. There was
you know, he got dinged a little bit, but he
stood his ground and Anderson went on his ass. Big
win for your guardians, huge win.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Big win you guys. Although I'm being inundated with information
about Sandy and just the the variations of nicknames that
it could be both for a man in for a woman.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So how about sand Deep Sandford, Santiago Sandy Pin.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
That sounds like, are you just making stuff up in
this one?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm reading it like there's a Sandy Pin. Sounds like
something you would buy it, like Walgreens if you.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Got Sandford of an. I mean, I understand why Sandy
would be a nickname for Sandford. It makes sense. Alexander
to Sandy makes no sense. What's what?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Listen? Hey, you're always going to be brady to me.
I don't care how many people try and call you Braiden.
You nice buddy, You got it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Man.
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just noticed I've got like a trail of toothpaste
all over my sweater. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Just uh, how do you think that happened?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I mean clearly brushing my teeth.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah? Is that a humble brag?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No? I well not really, because here's the problem. I
haven't washed this sweater in you know, at least a
couple of wares and I for sure this did not
happen today, So it feels like this could be have
sitting in my point.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Are we sure it's toothpaste? Let me see?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh yeah, yeah for sure?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh yeah you had the look yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, just to see like like how like how high
up and just sort of yeah for sure? Yeah, yeah
that I can't confirm that that is?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That is?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I mean, could I have Lee or Chris or someone
else kind of chiming on this? Does it look like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Killing it today? That's toothpaste?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Man? Come on, Lee? Is that toothpaste?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, I'm good, you.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Know, I'll take Jonas's word for it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh come on, Alex or Sandy come only dared to
go into the studio with him yet? I just uh yeah.
So it's a little bit of a it's just a
toothpaste problem. Because here's here's what I learned from my
dentist that I was We were lied to for I decade.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Are you really gonna get on this kick?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right? Okay? I'm telling you it's Jesus. So this is
what I learned from my dentist.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We've wore together way too long, and I already know
this is coming.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And it makes sense when we growing up, we're taught
you brush your teeth, you use your mouth wash, you
go on with your day. My dentist told me that
is not true. You use mouthwash first, then you brush
your teeth, and that way the toothpaste stays on your
teeth and adds as protectant throughout the course of your day,
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longer than if you just rinse it all off with
some mouthwash. How about that?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Actually, that does make sense.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, that makes sense. What he was going to say,
and what he usually says, is how you don't really
need toothpaste. You've taken that stance before the past, And
I'm like, all right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I've never taken that stance. What are you talking about? Okay, listen,
I've got to screw in my mouth all right because
it replaces that. It's just weird. Yeah, it's just weird.
It was metallic a lot of sort of a metallic
taste at first, but then you just get used to it.
So is what it is? Man mouth like a hardware store.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, you know me, are you exploring any possible additions?
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's a great point. I mean, what do you think
I am the acc looking at Calan Stanford because that's
the latest according to the Famil Camel, as Brady Quinn
calls him.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
That's right, baby, fill up those humps.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Pete Thamil of ESPN says that ACC leaders are set
to have exploratory discussions about the possible additions of cal
and Stanford. So we've got four teams left in the
Pac twelve. It's almost like the royal rumble for the
WWE you got four guys left. Who's going to be
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standing when everybody gets thrown over the top rope, Except
in this case, everybody was jumping over the top rope
intentionally because they wanted nothing to do with the Pac
twelve royal rumble. And so now Callen Stanford are having
exploratory discussions quote unquote, and you've still got Washington State
and Oregon State just kind of sitting around, going all right,
what's the plan? What we got here? So that's the
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latest on conference realignment in college football, which has completely
overtaken any of the coaches pulls that have come out
with Georgia rank number one overall, that's completely overtaken any
of the discussions about Alabama's quarterback decision going into the season.
Everything is conference realignment, which will not take place until
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next year. Kind of wild man, Can we.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Be real about this? Clearly Cal and Stanford are trying
to explore leaving the PAC twelve going elsewhere, and maybe
the ACC is entertaining those discussions, as I've said in
the past, unless they're willing to take a significant discount,
which it's hard to do that with at least the ACC,
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only because the rights aren't that big. You know. I
think the two things that we pointed out yesterday, the
fact that if you are not on linear television, you're
not going to be seen nationally, and that's it plays
a big role in impact into the perception of your
you know, your sports programs, your university, and I think
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even for the athletes, for a lot of the athletes
and their family and everyone else. I mean, yeah, it's
great to be able to sign up for a streaming
platform and watch their games, but there's also an element
of like mommy and daddy, you know, Siah, that's my baby,
that's my baby boy. You know, like that's still part
of it, and you don't have that right now in
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the PAC twelve with what was on the table. And
so even though they've tried to go to a model
that they felt like could be competitive economically with a
streaming platform in Apple, there's that element of linear TV
that still has the prestige of if you're a Stanford player.
Like so many other the greats, whether it's Andrew Luck
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or Christian McCaffrey, Toby Gear are guys who were up
for the Heisman. I mean you could make the case
that you know, two of those three maybe should have
won it, and instead, you know you're looking at with
a streaming platform, maybe they're not getting any attention at all,
maybe they're not even a finalist, and it's almost an
afterthought because no one's able to see those those highlights.
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So there's a ton of concerns that I think consideration
for why cal Stanford other packed the schools have looked elsewhere.
I mean, basically what they were presented wasn't competitive economically.
We went through the numbers yesterday, right to get one
point seven million subscribers, you would be doing something the
MLS as a league has not been able to do
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as a league, and that includes, you know, incentives such
as signing up for season tickets right where or at
least from late July when those numbers came out and
they surpassed a million subscribers for the MLS I believe
Season Pass or whatever it's called. When Messi signed up
or when he you know, came to Inner Miami. It's
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almost a I mean, you know, a thirty percent of
what they had had at that point was from incentives. So,
you know, we don't know exact all the details. We
only know what's been reported, but it's it seems pretty
clear the way schools reacted to what George Cleevekoff had
presented from Apple, that none of the schools are interested
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in a streaming only platform at this time. That could
change in the future, maybe it changes that the next
media rites deal and most of these around like twenty
thirty where you can you know, they could start some
of those negotiations, but at this point it just doesn't
make any sense. And so, yeah, of course Callan Stanford
are gonna be searching other options. But you know, when
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you look at the dire position they're in right now,
because everyone keeps talking about how like, oh, does anyone
have the student athletes well being in mind? Yeah, a
lot of the coaches and administrators are obviously cognizant of
the impact traveling from Berkeley, California, or Palo Alto all
the way across the country to the Atlantic coast. Yeah, clearly
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they are understanding of the impact they would play on
those other teams. But what else do you want them
to do? Do you want them to just go be
absorbed in the Mountain West, Because clearly the PAC twelve
isn't going to be considered an autonomous five. That's not
going to be considered a power five anymore. So with
the transfer portal, you're either are going to have a
mass exodus of student athletes leaving if you're going to
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join a smaller conference because that's not what they want,
or you've got to try to go find a better
opportunity elsewhere so you can support your athletics program, even
if it's all the way across the country. In which
we put it out again yesterday, the PAC twelve travel
is already difficult as it is. I mean, outside of
Stanford playing Cow, which is in close proximity, you're taking flights.
A lot of people on the East Coast don't really
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understand how spread out the PAC twelve schools are from
one another, with the exception of schools that are in
the same state and close to one another. What it's Oregon,
Oregon State, Stanford Cow in that case, USCUCLA. But it's
not like a southern California schools busting up to northern California.
They're flying no different than you know, Arizona, Zona State.
It's same thing. They're obviously busting one another. Outside of that,
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they're flying. So there's a bit of a misconception as
to the burden that's placed on some of student athletes.
They're flying the majority of the case as it is now,
the trips just got a little bit longer. But in
this case, I just don't know how it makes sense
for the ACCDD Stanford and COL. I understand how it
makes sense for Stanford and col at this point. And
that's where like when we keep talking about realignment and expansion,
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unless Callen Stanford are willing to take a steep discount,
which I think the ACC is getting over thirty some
million a year, maybe Lee can check on what exactly
that number looks like. And another odd thing about Kal
Stanford looking at the ACC is you've got FSUC and
they want out, Like they're openly saying they want to
leave the ACC. Yet you're now, this is the conference
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you select or you choose to explore joining. So maybe
Jim Phillips, the ACC, you know, conference commissioner, knows something
we don't, and he's saying, if we're gonna lose FSU,
and if we're gonna lose someone else, we might as
well then kind of backload with a couple of the
programs that at least help, you know, fill out that void.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Washington State's president, Kirk Schultz, wrote a letter to Cougar
Nation on Monday, and he talked about just how Washington
and Oregon joining the Big Ten quote sealed the fate
of the PAC twelve. He talked about being shocked. He
also just asked for support for the Washington State program,
which I'm sure Nick Rollovitch could have used a few
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years ago. But the point is, I feel bad for
just the players and the fan base for these schools
because they're probably thinking to themselves, all right, we're finally
done with COVID, finally done with having a deal with
all that stuff. That was kind of a crazy time
for everybody. At Least now we can just focus on
football and get ready for the season. Oh, by the way,
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there's four teams left, like just like nobody knows. Everything
is so fluid, it's moving around.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's just for this year. It's the future though, I know,
but I just got time. It's not like, oh this
is going to change for this upcoming year where we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I just I think there's a portion of people and
I'm kind of falling in line with this to where
I just want whatever it's going to be. I just
wanted to be locked in and set to go. If
we're just gonna have conferences, all right, So this is
going to be continued every year.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We're starting to settle into a model now where you're
essentially going to have four at least, you know, autonomous
conferences or the power for if you will. Yeah, And
we're getting to a point where the age old model
that used to be, and we probably talked about this
on our Sunday Night show, was sixty teams, you know,
sixty teams that are probably worthy of of a the
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money and revenue they're generating based on their football and
basketball programs and competitively speaking, like, those sixty teams are
the teams that we feel like could ultimately win a
national championship. But those are probably the teams that are
starting to kind of form into this, whether you want
to call a power four or whatever you will, with
the way the reenlignment's occurring, and maybe it evolves from
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four to two as the SEC and Big ten just
look to absorb everyone. But again, I keep harkening back
to you, this is all being motivated and put by
the TV networks behind it, at least right now in
linear TV, for the platform that it provides, the money
that it provides to help these programs continue to be
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able to build and make money and compete with one another. Now,
what's going to change in college sports that could potentially
change the entirety of you know, the economics and how
this works is is if student athletes are considered to
be employees of this of the school, or if this
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goes to a professional model in some way. Whereas I said,
you know yesterday, if this turns into football and men's
women's basketball then becoming essentially a minor league. Now again
we can go into that down that rabble and talk
about whether or not there's reasons for like whether or
not that even works. Like right now, I would always say, well, look,
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you already have a minor league in basketball, right, you
have the G League, you have you know, professional leagues overseas.
If players out of high school don't want to play
in college, they don't have to. They can go elsewhere
and then eventually enter into the NFL or an NBA
draft in that case, So there are avenues there. For
football players, it's different because you're limited and you have
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to be three years room from high school. And so
in essence, the college football programs are a minor league program.
They are what's preparing that next wave of employment in
the NFL every single year, and so that, you know,
makes a little more sense in regards to how football
is viewed and buy and large, the football program drives
the most revenue, and on top of that, it's you know,
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even some men's basketball programs aren't necessarily even profitable, So
it's all going to be driven and pushed by football,
even though it impacts all their sports. However, there could
be a world we live in where football is looked
at as an employee or professional as opposed to a
student athlete. And then how does that work within the
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rest of these schools, you know, are they are they
still having the same amount of scholarship for you know,
men's and women's student athletes. There's so many questions that
still need to be answered. So to go back to
the initial point, this isn't going to be solved by
the time the season starts and then the realignment calms down.
There's still going to be subtle movement here and there
until we really kind of iron out what we view
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student athletes in football and men's women's basketball are and
how it relates to the schools that they're at. And
that's still going to be decided probably in court when
it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I wonder what Beino Coke would say about all this,
probably be just disgusted with all this movement conference realignment.
Just once the good old days, you know, just bring
back the BCS. Let's just get back to simpler times.
That's that's when college football was at its best.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And now that wouldn't mind bringing back the BCS to
determine the twelve team playoff, that's for sure. Yeah, that
model of at least, you know, factoring in the ranking.
And I know there's people who weren't a fan of it,
but if you think about it, there was a human component.
There was the computer component of it. You knew how
far back your team was based on the actual I
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guess BCS rankings because it showed you like a number.
You know. Now we have to have someone come out
from the College Football Playoff Committee and basically tell us like, hey,
we think this team's really good, we think this team
should be here. And you're saying, okay, you're really just
setting this up to let the schedule play itself out.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You want to know how far we've come. Nick Saban.
His argument for last year's Alabama's team is that according
to the Gamblers, Alabama would have been favored against this
many teams that were in the College Football Playoff, like
that's where we're at now where it used to be BCS.
Or you would have a split share of the national
title like I think Colorado and Miami had, or Miami
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and Washington had back in the day. Now you got
a Nick Saban for the second time in Alabama history,
being left out of the College Football Playoff and saying, well,
we would have been favored over three of these teams anyway,
so that's why we should have been in. Like that's
how far we've come in college football. So good news
for the Gamblers. Bad news for the pac twelve, but
good news for us because we had college football lesson
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a month away. Should everybody get fired up?
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Speaker 2 (33:19):
By the way, we've been talking a lot about decisions
teams are making when it comes to the preseason, who's
going to start, who's going to get the nod Rick Stroud,
who covers the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sent out a picture
of the Buccaneers first depth chart, and you've got Baker
Mayfield or Kyle Trask as the starting quarterback, keeping their
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options open, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
They're still having a competition, right, I mean, they have
an announced to the guys going to be. I'm leaning
towards think it's going to be Baker Mayfield. Could be wrong.
Kyle Trasks now has been there for a period of time,
but you know, Baker's just got more experience. He's a
former number one overall pick. He's taking the team to
the playoffs. You know, it's to me, I think he
makes the most sense for this Tampa Bay team, especially
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because they've got a good roster. It's just about finding
that right piece to filling the huge shoes left behind
for Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Are we the only ones that root for Baker Mayfield?
I hope he does well, man like I really do it,
and I know he maybe rubs people the wrong way,
and he's done some stuff throughout the course of his
career in college and in the NFL that people don't like.
But I just think that he kind of got a
little bit of a raw deal from the Cleveland Browns.
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Just feel like it was kind of okay, well we're
gonna you know, they went ahead and got desperate for
Deshaun Watson after they got rid of him. But I
think people forget, and it's easy that people want to
kind of dismiss all this. Weren't they talking like potentially
a thirty million dollar a year contract with Baker Mayfield
before his final year, Like he won a playoff game there.
It's not like he didn't do anything in Cleveland, like
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he played good football at times, yet he's been sort
of cast aside. It is, well, you know, he can
maybe win a game for the for the Rams in
primetime against the awful Raiders, and now he's gonna have
to fight for a job with Kyle Trask for what
four or five million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Dude, I thought what he did with the Rams in
that kind of short span of time he got to
learn the playbook and going and execute was.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
A hell of a check that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, I know things didn't work out the way
you wanted it in Carolina, but it didn't for Sam Donald,
didn't for Teddy Brianden, didn't for anyone who was there right,
didn't for Matt Rule. I'm not sure any of them
had enough time to really, you know, settle into that.
I thought Sam Donald started to play some better football
at the end of last year, which is probably one
of the reasons why the forty nine ers made the
move to bring on Sam Donald, right, not knowing brock
(35:39):
Perty's you know, recovery from injury, what that looked like.
What's gonna happen with Trey Lance? Are they going to
keep him? Is he's still gonna be a guy in
the roster, so you know that obviously played a role,
but still, you know, he's he's very capable, you know,
to me of going there, starting and playing some good football.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So there's a couple of holdouts in the NFL. Nick
Bosa is still not with the San Francisco forty nine ers.
He would like a new contract. He's going to get paid.
They're confident they're going to get a deal done, but
he has not shown up for training camp whatsoever. And
so he's going to probably reset the market there when
it comes to pass rushers in the NFL, and he
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deserves it, he's been fantastic. The other one involves a
Golden Domer, first ballot Hall of Famer, a future first
Bouot Hall of Famer in Zach Martin, who's got all
the All pros, got everything you would want, but unfortunately
he does not have the contract he would want. He's
making more than the thirteen and a half million dollars
(36:38):
that he's due this upcoming season. That puts him down
the list as far as highest paid guards in the NFL.
But Jerry Jones had some comments about the situation when
asked about it on Monday. This courtesy of Calvin Watkins,
who covers the Cowboys for the Dallas Morning News. When
he was asked whether or not it was surprised by
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the holdout of Zack Martin. Quote, surprise is really not
the word there. It's very costly and so that's where
we are huge significant ramifications happening here by anybody's measurement financially,
And what he's referring to is the fact that Zach
Martin has missed twelve training camp practices thus far, and
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because of those fifty thousand dollars fines that go along
with those twelve training camp practices that you miss for
each one, that puts him at about six hundred thousand
dollars in fines and counting at this point during training camp.
So he's just out six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
If he shows up, it all get wiped away. When
he comes back. You might not get the contract he
wants if he wants to come back, but that'll that'll
be the peace offering they provide him to appease them. Hey,
we're not going to find you come on back, but
we're also not giving you a new contract. So that's
that's usually how it works, right And maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe they do work out a way of restructuring his
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deal to provide him a little bit more security moving forward.
I mean, he's the second highest paid guard in the league.
And you know, even though he even make the case
he's the best guard in the NFL, it's it's tough
for an organization that paid him. You know what I
want to say, May five years ago or so twenty eighteen,
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whenever that that contract came up, but it's it's tough
to sit there and sayah, we're gonna turn right back
round and pay you again. The problem is is you
already did that with with Zeke Elliott. You already said that,
even with two years left on a deal, you're willing
to redo a player's deal. And Zach Barton slay to
become an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty five. Technically
he's got two avoidable years put on there, but at
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this point, I think if you were structured it, you
put in some some more guarantees that kind of allows
him to retire a Dallas cowboy. That's that's ultimately what
he's looking for. And I think the wise thing that
he's doing right now is he's using the fact that
Dallas has already set the president with Zeke Elliott, which
I just mentioned, and so he's now testing to see
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if they'll do that again. But he's also doing it
in a critical time, not only for Mike McCarthy's job security,
but also Dak Prescott. You know how they feel about
him as a quarterback, and what they feel like is
kind of a big year. We kind of forget how
the last couple of seasons have ended for the Cowboys
has n't been good. And when you don't have one
of your best offensive linemen up there, We've seen that
impact their running game, We've seen it impact to protection
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for Dak and his production. So how will they be
able to respond not having their best offensive lineman out?
There's if he wants this thing to hold out into the.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Season, And I would say, arguably maybe their best player
over the last decade.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, if you're basing it on accolades, et cetera, Yeah,
there's no doubt. I think it's it's you know, it's
always tough to sometimes, you know, quantify that with with
an offensive lineman. Right, we've got PFF and all these
other grades, but that's where you kind of start to
see their true value. And I think he's he's got
a case based on what he's done and how he
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how he's helped the team so far. But I'm just
not sure Jerry j willing to budge and I think
he's probably wouldn't admit it, but he made a mistake
with Zeke, And I shouldn't say a mistake in the
sense of Zeke wasn't worth it. Clearly he demonstrated that
at the time, but that was the decision that I
think doing it a year early was his mistake. And
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now it's open the door for every other player who's
got a couple of years left or more in their
contract to come back and try to renegotiate with them.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Especially if you look at the numbers after Zeke got paid,
he was never the same player than before he got paid. Like,
it just did not.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And I think there's a lot of people who will
point to that, like, oh, he got paid and he
got lazier, he wasn't this or that, like people try
to point to that. Sometimes sometimes it's just unlucky, or
sometimes it's hard to replicate what you're able to do
in one season where you have a career year and
that's the time where your agent's pushing he's like, no, no, no,
this is my guy. That's what he's gonna do the
rest of his career, and it's like, well, we'll see,
(40:52):
Like the cats out of the bag, this guy's not
a secret anymore. I mean, when Zeke Elliott burst on
the scene as a rookie, people are like, okay, like
this dude's for real. They knew he was coming out
from Ohio State. But then once he did it on
a stage like that for the Dallas Cowboys, they're like, Okay,
this is just going to continue on. Well, it's hard.
You're gonna have down years and injuries and all sorts
of things that play a factor. And that's where to
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me again, I keep kind of looking back at you.
Just these organizations don't want to set a precedent with
how they negotiate, because once they do it for one player,
they have to do it for everyone else. And that's
where it becomes incredibly difficult in these negotiations between you know,
Zach Martin's representation or wherever other you're talking about, when
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people are dealing with the Dallas Cowboys, and unfortunately that
the Jones family or Jerry Jones specifically, he's put himself
in this position.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, before we get to
our progressive play today, how about the news out of Jacksonville.
I mean, everything's starting to turn around for those Jacksonville Jaguars.
You know, they're playing multiple games in a row in
life in trying to figure out how they can get
a stadium renovated. They've now got a one hundred and
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twenty million dollars practice facility. They opened up in July
and then Scott Hansen of NFL Red Zone posted a
video showing off these new urinals they've got at the facility.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
The big yurnal connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, yeah, big time. And I think they they tests
the player's hydration level, so it'll let you know depending
on how things will looking, whether or not you need
to go get a fluid.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Why these or this is just the facility, This isn't
in the stadium, Like we don't want to potentially test
also the hydration levels of the Jacksonville fan base, which
I would think would be like risk mitigation against dehydration
and agreed heat stroke and agree like if the players
in Jacksonville will get this, I think all the toilets
and jurnals should really have this. When we're talking about
the new stadium their building too.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I totally agree. And it's an opportunity for them
to increase water sales, you know, the that'll that'll go up.
I'm sure if people we'll see that they're dehydrated while
they're sitting, you know, pounding away at a urinal cake
and then they look down and go, oh my god,
I could get into another water here, So it says
that I'm dehydrated. It just feels And I think this
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is a fair trade off because there's been a clear
violation of our privacy going on for quite a while now,
touch ID on your phone, facial recognition, all the other
crap we got to deal with. I think it's a
fair trade off. If you're going to steal my identity
from me and steal everything from me while I go
and search for something on Amazon or someplace like that online,
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the least you could do is provide me a urinal
that lets me know how am I doing? All right?
Do I need another glass of water? Should I go
get a hydro flask?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What do we need here to make things look better
the next time you and I visit? You know, I
just feel like that's a fair trade off.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
So, I mean, what sort of information are they are
they taking from your urn? Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I don't know, just like it's it's color coded, like
if it's green, you're good to go.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
If it's yellow, No, I understand that from the hydration stamp. Yeah,
but you feel like there's some bigger power at b
that might be taking away some of your personal For me.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I'm talking about elsewhere you go on your phone facial.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And they do the face idea. Well, what do you
think they're doing with the urine?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, no, I think with the urine this is actually
a good thing. They're letting you know how your body's performing.
So they steal a bunch of stuff from us without
us even known about it, right, And you think that
there's aspect. No, I think that this is a trade off.
I think that yes, maybe they're getting, you know, some
of our information, but they're also providing something to us
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and letting us know you could use a little bit
more of this.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's what a little more liver loop is what you're saying, Like, yeah,
there might be a few people who go out there
and have a few drinks for the like you're not
drunk enough. In fact, maybe that's how this works, Like
maybe there's like an instant, like, you know, identification of
the fact that this person should drink two more beers.
So we just gave you twenty percent off. Go to
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the concession stand right now.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I do wonder if you were dehydrated, if you did
throw back two or three more throat burners? How how
much more hydrated would you be?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Because why do you define what a throat burner is?
For folks? A beer from that's it, because what does
a burn your throat?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
A lid liquor, a tonsil tickler? You never had one
of those? That's what you get after, you know, you
go to a game. We throw one back, especially in
that humidity. You know that humidity in Florida is especially
in uh, what is it basically Georgia. You guys are
calling it the Jacksonville's basics.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Jack Yeah, we call Jacksonville South South Georgia.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, basically, very very kind of you.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Long with that. I'm just saying that it probably more
resembles Georgia than it does like other areas of Florida.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
So I do want, like, what's so if you were
to get just a regular light beer, And of course,
let's be careful when we have this conversation, because everybody's
got a joke.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And of course light beer, you know, you know when
it's cold because they've got the blue mountains on it.
It kind of gives you a little indicator. I don't
know something about that crisp refreshing taste.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I mean, uh, listen, Bud, you've got to lighten up.
And I don't even want to. I don't even want
to get into the conversation on because we've got a
whole bunch of material we could go for when it
comes to this, but as we transition something else. Yeah,
we'll just transition from that over this. In a in
a standard light beer, what percentage of the beer is water?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
How how much of it is actually water? Because coffee
is majority water? Leave would you hapen to know off
the time? Yeah, it's got to be so. I would
feel like if you're dehydrated and you're standing in front
of a urinal at the Jacksonville Jaguars practice facility, that.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Would you know?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
That would be grounds for By.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
The way, could you imagine the facility tours? Like that's
what everyone wants to do. Oh you know, can I
go in the urinals?
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah? It's it's like the first fountain that was ever invented.
Hey can I see that thing that shoots water?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
No problem. It's like also I wonder.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
How it works, Like how often are they gonna have
to have someone come in and maintenance those things? You know,
to be able to make sure they're still accurate and reading.
I mean, what happens if, for example, they kept telling
you know, someone like, oh, they I don't know, they're
dehydrad they're dehydrated, like I would imagine most people are
going to registrate as dehydrated. I don't think enough people
drink water, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Do we have an answer?
Speaker 5 (47:26):
I drink lots of water because beer is ninety five
percent water?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
So is it really ninety five percent? Hey? God?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Pretty right?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Pretty much when you subtract the ABV and that's pretty
much all water after that?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Oh, hold on, what's the standard ABV?
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Well for a light beer? Two four to five percent?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, that's it. I always thought it was like six percent.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So if you drink IPA's you get less water?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Really? Yeah, I always thought the ABV on on that
was I mean, what are we in Utah right now?
I mean, when we drinking three zero beer? What's happening
right now?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You're right?
Speaker 5 (47:58):
It's about four point five percent? Actually, is for like
uh cors light, bud light, michelob light.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, God, no, wonder it takes me so many to
get a buzz?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Are you sure? But bud lights four five. I thought
it was like three four. Oh, almost have gotten bad info.
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Well, Jonas, what's your favorite I p A.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Let's let's check this one out. God, you know what's
a go to. It's just really solid and people are
going to think this is I'm making this up, okay,
Elsa Gundo Brewery, Steve Austin, the Wrestler. It's called broken
skull I p A.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
It is schull I p A.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It is tremendous, dude, I swear to god, it is
a fantasic sixty seven. So according to Lee's math.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Like dogfish has a couple that are By the.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Way, my brother is as a gag got me, uh
he said, oh, it's just your standard double I p A.
I was like, okay. I took a sip out of it.
It felt on my r face was burning, and it
was like seventeen percent. It was like a ninety minute
IPA or something like that. It's like some special.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Got one that's like a one hundred and twenty minute I think,
and it's like fifteen to twenty percent. But I remember
one Saint Patrick's day drinking a bunch of dogfishes with
Jeff Darling. Oh and literally like it was about two
and a half hours into it, realized the mistake that
I met.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You an old dogfish Darlington. Huh. You guys got after
it on the same.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Fat aggressive that was one of the worst hangar Reserve felt. Yeah,
that's a By the way, we had to talk a
little bit of booze since LaVar is not here today.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That is fair.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'm just saying you'd always boosted somewhere.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, of course, I mean we had to hit our
quota for the day.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Can we get into this discussion about that's really swept
across the sports media landscape because people are trying to
figure out what the hell is going on. So, Kevin
Brown is a broadcaster for the Baltimore Orioles and he
has not been doing games on TV for a little
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while now. July twenty third was the last time anybody
had heard from him. And then a report came out
from Awful announcing yesterday that the reason that Kevin Brown
has not been on Orioles broadcast is because of comments
he made before a game against the Rays in late July.
And so you're thinking to yourself, man, you must have
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really slipped up and said something awful, you know, maybe
dropped an F bomb, maybe insulted you know somebody. Maybe
he said yes, all sorts of Yeah. He could have
been drinking in the booth. You must have done something terrible.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, or maybe skiing up in the booth. Yes, that
is a lot of magic tricks making the lines of
powder disappeared.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Just like where'd it go?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, just like there could have been anything. And apparently
this is what Kevin Brown said on mass and television
before a Rais Orioles game that got him some sort
of a suspension or a punishment from the organization. Let's
take a listen.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Brandon hed has felt like this has been maybe the
toughest ballpark to play in. But the Orioles have a
chance to do something special today. They've already clinched at
least a split in the series, winning two of the
first three, and they could pick up a series win
behind Tyler Wells today. It's been a minute. The Orioles
split a two gamer with the Rays in June. They
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had lost their last fifteen series here at Trump mcadafield.
You have to go back to when are now colleague
Bratt Brock picked up the win and the series finale
June twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, the last time the Oriols
won a series here in Saint Pete.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Already got three and two of the Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
This year after winning three of eighteen the previous three years. Comebine,
it is a stark difference, Ben, and it is not a.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Bad race team.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
It's not like all of a sudden, the race became
slouches in the American leagueest they've led this division every day,
but now two and the Orioles once again are back alone.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
In first place.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, other than the awful music underneath that was courtesy
of the broadcast there on Masson, what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Honestly, I watched the clip two to three times and
I thought, oh, maybe someone edited it wrong, put out
the part that was controversial. Where's the thought set? Yeah,
the cuss word, where's the disparaging comment about something? I
cannot believe that this is actually what he's being suspended for.
(03:10):
First off, and then you know, he's a good play
by play.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If if the Oils were to move on from him,
someone would look to pick him up in a heartbeat,
it would not take long. As soon as that news
hit his phone would start ringing. There's no doubt about it.
This also goes to show you how soft things have gotten,
and I'm glad. And here's the one thing that's that's
good from this is the pushback from a lot of
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people in the industry on at least social media when
they saw this, because they're all like, Okay, we're going
too far if these are the lengths that we're willing
to go because we're that soft, because we can't talk
about the fact that the Oils have struggled versus the
Tampa Bay Devil Rays, which Kevin Brown, you know, touched
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on the fact that it's not like the Devil Rays
or something slouch. They've actually been really good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I love that you went Derays by the way, nice
little throwback raise. Okay, whatever, I like the Devil Rays.
Let's just keep calling him that damn raise.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I mean technically that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Anyway, the point is this is like, this is how
soft we've gotten, like we we can't be we can't
tell anything how it actually is, like what the facts are.
And the one thing that you'll catch in there is
he's taught like like a lot of times when you
have a stat and you and you work with someone
who was like the last time they had won something
or done something in this case, which is what he
(04:35):
was referring to, right, He's going to try to find
a way of working that in there. And I forget
that what's his name something.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Brock Uh, Yeah, I forget, but I know the point
you're making.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you can play and listen
to it again. You'll hear him say, hey, last time
since our colleague and like that's those are usually stats,
your stats people, or you can find behind that you
you try to weave in there to incorporate one of
the guys who with you as part of that conversation,
to make a natural segue. And that's like hearing that,
I was like, Oh, okay, is that what they're so
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frustrated by the fact that they were at fifteen and one,
I think is what it was, and they had won
their you know, previous there three or whatever it was
before that could be three, three and eighteen, and it
just it's crazy to me how soft things have gotten
in our society in general. We just can't talk about
the facts. We can't acknowledge what's actually factual now and
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stated exactly how it is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He didn't bury the organization. He pointed out a truth.
They've struggled against a team and that was it. And
to your point, when he's building up to the transition
to hand it off to the guy in the booth
who was part of a team that was last fill
in the blank, the last time these teams met that's
just an easy transition. That's called a smooth transition. That's
(05:53):
called people behind the scenes recognizing, Hey, this is the
commonality we have in the booth, and that's how we'd go.
It'd be the same thing if Robstone talked about something
on Big Noon Kickoff and said.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
He's done this before.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yes, say the last time this happened, Brady Quinn, you
were the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Literally the last time I think Notre Dame had a
road win versus Top ten, top five, whatever it was.
I mean it's still to this day. You know, he
could still reference that if he wanted to. And like,
I don't think people a Notre Dame are calling into
Fox saying that's a disparaging comment. You need to handle
this with Rob Stone or I mean, that's part of
how broadcasting works. You're looking for natural segues.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Now, the Orioles have apparently disputed the fact that he
was suspended. They wrote to Awful Announcing or reached out
and said, we don't comment on personal matters. We look
forward to hearing Kevin's voice soon. Now there's there to me.
I kept the same as you. I kept watching the
clip over and over, waiting for him to say something
(06:50):
bad waiting for Is there a tail end of this?
Is there a longer version of this? To your point?
Is there editing what happened here? And I was confused.
I even went so far as to just see comments
below whatever the tweet was. Maybe somebody caught something that
I didn't catch and it never made any sense, And
I just can't help But wonder, okay, is there's something
(07:10):
else going on? Is there something else behind the scenes,
But we haven't gotten any of that. And apparently, according
to everybody involved, no, this really was the problem. They
didn't like that he was being I don't know if
it's negative or pointing out a negative statistic about the team,
but the whole thing's ridiculous. And this is the one
problem where if you work for a team or if
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you cover a team. And I remember talking to Mike
North about this the Chicago radio legend, and he would
talk about how one of the things that he respected
about teams in the city in Chicago or the be
the Cubs, that certain players and certain coaches were totally
cool with it, they had no issue with it whatsoever,
(07:54):
but that ownership would sometimes get bothered by it, and
they wouldn't like the fact that you would be critical
about it. But as long as you were upfront about
it and you weren't taking personal shots and you weren't
going in a personal direction, everybody was fine. There was
nothing personal here, There was no problems, there was no issue.
He pointed out a statistic, He pointed out a troubling
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trend that the Orioles have had against the race by
the way, best team in the American League, one of
the best teams in baseball, one of the best stories
of the year. And this is what people know about
the Orioles this year. And that's a credit to how
misread the Orioles organization was on the topic, and they
embarrassed themselves. And now you've got people around the league
(08:38):
airing them out and talking about great story, great organization.
Brandon Hide, the manager there, has done a phenomenal job.
And yet here we are and we're talking about them
wanting to move on or punish an announcer rather because
he made comments about a trend in a poor direction
for the Orioles, even though they're the second the second
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best team in baseball, a game behind the Age and
the best teams in the in the el. It doesn't
make any sense to me. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, No, it may say sense. I mean unless there's
something more behind the scenes that we're not aware of
or not privy to. And maybe sometimes the organization tries
to cover that sort of stuff up because they don't
want it to become public. That's part of it. But again,
it's just it bothers me that it takes people on
social media to be able to point this out. How
how incredibly you know, soft or just I'm not even
(09:28):
sure like and unless you just go extremely hard in
the paint against the Baltimore Oreals, which I don't. I
don't know the people within that organization. It feels like
there has to be more to this and we're just
not getting all of the facts because there was nothing
he said that A wasn't factual and b would put
him in a position where he gets suspended for what
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he did. Either way, though, the show moves on. And
that's the unfortunate part with broadcasting is even for someone
who does a great job like him, this, this show will
continue to move on and they'll find someone to replace
them if they want. And that's one of the things
you mentioned. Working for a team. They don't care. There's
plenty of people who want to sign up for that job.
(10:10):
There's plenty of people who want to travel with the
team and do all those things. I remember when I
used to work for you know, serious XEM on the
NFL channel that was a partner with the NFL, and
through certain periods of time when when you would be
extremely critical of Roger Goodell, or you'd be extremely critical
of a particular subject, someone would reach out to you. Really,
(10:31):
Oh yeah, I mean it's not like working for an
NFL network where it was NFL owned, but you would
get you would get a producer, you get someone who'd
reach out, or you might get a phone call from
one of the bosses that would say, you know, I
don't tone this down. I don't know. I mean, you
really had to be careful about the lines that were
crossed in regards to how you would go about talking
about certain subjects. There's no doubt that there was times
(10:55):
where it was like that. And that's not even again,
an entity that's owned by the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I can't do you remember one time getting a call
from Scotch Shapiro or Don Martin or boss saying, well,
not yet Yeah, well that's true, but like you guys
can't talk about this or hey, what you said there
was problematic and somebody really has an issue other than c. J.
Stroud's agent because it ruined a photo op for him.
Like I can't think of a time that they reached out.
(11:25):
I mean there was one time where I was misquoted
on a message that was sent out by somebody at
the network about the RAMS, and the RAMS threatened to
They said, if he doesn't go on the air and
apologize next time, you will not have another player appear
on your network. And they reached out. I said I
never said that, and they went back and listened to it.
(11:45):
They're like, yeah, never said it. You know, somehow got
lost in translation on social media.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, well, there was a just a post that was
put out by.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
You never said it. Why don't you just say it?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, it was something along the lines of Jared Goff
is a bust and the RAMS organization is a failure.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like it was, Oh, I thought you meant about his
dad Jack.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, listen Jared Goff's dad Jack.
I have no no knowledge of anything that's going on
with that family or why he named himself that even
though that's not his real name. And again, if we're
gonna get into.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
The way that one of those things where like Jack's
the nickname for another name?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Not sure, you know, Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
There's some there's some odd ones out there. I'm sure
Lee could can attest this.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But what could be his middle name?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Who know? You know, like someone's name of Robert. You
know their their name is Bob, right, Like, there's some
other names that are cut down like that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's a great point now.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But there's plenty of that are like that. Yeah, but
there there's a few that you're like, all right, I
don't understand that the connection there, Like, for example, my
grandmother's name is Margaret for short, they go by Peggy.
Peggy's like a nickname for Margaret, which makes no sense
to me. I don't even understand how you get from
Margaret to Peggy.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Richard didn't Dick, Yeah, I never understood that.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I don't get Dick and Richard.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I don't. I don't understand that one.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I got a friend named Alex. I guess Alex and
Sandy what together? Yeah, I've heard that a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
What are you talking about? I don't get it either, yea,
Alex and Sandy are you saying?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Are you saying Sandy Alamar's real name might have been Alex?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like Alex Alomar completely changes the discussion.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It doesn't even sound as good. Yeah, it makes him
baseball player.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, that doesn't you.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
No, I'm still not sure about that, but I've been
told all right.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean I thought Jonas could bring one to the table.
He really hasn't so far.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, I'm a little confused as to why Alex Rodriguez's
real name is now.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Sandy Sandy Rodriguez.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, that kind of kind of changes things, but nonetheless it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Could be Sandy, I guess. Is the point.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
By the way, how about the punishment Brady in the
Guardians White Sox fight where Tim Anderson got double the
games that Jose Ramirez got.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well it felt like he instigated it, right, Yeah, which
I think if you watch the fight, you could see
the fact he drops his glove, he puts up the
fists up, you know, he's like, oh, camera, you know,
Duke just went out and uh, yeah, it kind of
felt like he might have instigated that. So I can
understand why they are giving him double I'm just surprised
(14:24):
no one in Major League Baseball looked at what occurred
and were like, you know what he uh, he got
knocked out pretty good?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, what do I want to?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Go ahead? Just give him the same as Ramirez.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's like, come on, I would I would rather be
suspended more games and not have gotten wabbled like he did. Like,
if you get wobbled, that should take off three of
those games. Just make it three and three and he's
gonna have to wear that for the rest of his career.
It's like Jose Batista, Jose Batista. When you think of
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Jose Batista, he had big hits, big home runs, was
a really good player of the Orioles. All you think
about is rugnetto d'Or cracking him with that right hand.
But Lis Jose Batista stood up all right. There was
you know, he got dinged a little bit, but he
stood his ground and Anderson went on his ass. Big
win for your guardians, huge win.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Big win you guys. Although I'm being inundated with information
about Sandy and just the the variations of nicknames that
it could be both for a man in for a woman.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So how about sand Deep Sandford, Santiago Sandy Pin.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
That sounds like, are you just making stuff up in
this one?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm reading it like there's a Sandy Pin. Sounds like
something you would buy it, like Walgreens if you.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Got Sandford of an. I mean, I understand why Sandy
would be a nickname for Sandford. It makes sense. Alexander
to Sandy makes no sense. What's what?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Listen? Hey, you're always going to be brady to me.
I don't care how many people try and call you Braiden.
You nice buddy, You got it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Man.
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just noticed I've got like a trail of toothpaste
all over my sweater. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Just uh, how do you think that happened?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, I mean clearly brushing my teeth.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah? Is that a humble brag?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No? I well not really, because here's the problem. I
haven't washed this sweater in you know, at least a
couple of wares and I for sure this did not
happen today, So it feels like this could be have
sitting in my point.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Are we sure it's toothpaste? Let me see?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh yeah, yeah for sure?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Oh yeah you had the look yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, just to see like like how like how high
up and just sort of yeah for sure? Yeah, yeah
that I can't confirm that that is?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That is?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I mean, could I have Lee or Chris or someone
else kind of chiming on this? Does it look like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Killing it today? That's toothpaste?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Man? Come on, Lee? Is that toothpaste?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
No, I'm good, you.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Know, I'll take Jonas's word for it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh come on, Alex or Sandy come only dared to
go into the studio with him yet? I just uh yeah.
So it's a little bit of a it's just a
toothpaste problem. Because here's here's what I learned from my
dentist that I was We were lied to for I decade.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Are you really gonna get on this kick?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Right? Okay? I'm telling you it's Jesus. So this is
what I learned from my dentist.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We've wore together way too long, and I already know
this is coming.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And it makes sense when we growing up, we're taught
you brush your teeth, you use your mouth wash, you
go on with your day. My dentist told me that
is not true. You use mouthwash first, then you brush
your teeth, and that way the toothpaste stays on your
teeth and adds as protectant throughout the course of your day,
(18:10):
longer than if you just rinse it all off with
some mouthwash. How about that?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Actually, that does make sense.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, that makes sense. What he was going to say,
and what he usually says, is how you don't really
need toothpaste. You've taken that stance before the past, And
I'm like, all right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I've never taken that stance. What are you talking about? Okay, listen,
I've got to screw in my mouth all right because
it replaces that. It's just weird. Yeah, it's just weird.
It was metallic a lot of sort of a metallic
taste at first, but then you just get used to it.
So is what it is? Man mouth like a hardware store.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, you know me, are you exploring any possible additions?
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's a great point. I mean, what do you think
I am the acc looking at Calan Stanford because that's
the latest according to the Famil Camel, as Brady Quinn
calls him.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
That's right, baby, fill up those humps.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Pete Thamil of ESPN says that ACC leaders are set
to have exploratory discussions about the possible additions of cal
and Stanford. So we've got four teams left in the
Pac twelve. It's almost like the royal rumble for the
WWE you got four guys left. Who's going to be
(19:27):
standing when everybody gets thrown over the top rope, Except
in this case, everybody was jumping over the top rope
intentionally because they wanted nothing to do with the Pac
twelve royal rumble. And so now Callen Stanford are having
exploratory discussions quote unquote, and you've still got Washington State
and Oregon State just kind of sitting around, going all right,
what's the plan? What we got here? So that's the
(19:48):
latest on conference realignment in college football, which has completely
overtaken any of the coaches pulls that have come out
with Georgia rank number one overall, that's completely overtaken any
of the discussions about Alabama's quarterback decision going into the season.
Everything is conference realignment, which will not take place until
(20:09):
next year. Kind of wild man, Can we.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Be real about this? Clearly Cal and Stanford are trying
to explore leaving the PAC twelve going elsewhere, and maybe
the ACC is entertaining those discussions, as I've said in
the past, unless they're willing to take a significant discount,
which it's hard to do that with at least the ACC,
(20:36):
only because the rights aren't that big. You know. I
think the two things that we pointed out yesterday, the
fact that if you are not on linear television, you're
not going to be seen nationally, and that's it plays
a big role in impact into the perception of your
you know, your sports programs, your university, and I think
(20:58):
even for the athletes, for a lot of the athletes
and their family and everyone else. I mean, yeah, it's
great to be able to sign up for a streaming
platform and watch their games, but there's also an element
of like mommy and daddy, you know, Siah, that's my baby,
that's my baby boy. You know, like that's still part
of it, and you don't have that right now in
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the PAC twelve with what was on the table. And
so even though they've tried to go to a model
that they felt like could be competitive economically with a
streaming platform in Apple, there's that element of linear TV
that still has the prestige of if you're a Stanford player.
Like so many other the greats, whether it's Andrew Luck
(21:40):
or Christian McCaffrey, Toby Gear are guys who were up
for the Heisman. I mean you could make the case
that you know, two of those three maybe should have
won it, and instead, you know you're looking at with
a streaming platform, maybe they're not getting any attention at all,
maybe they're not even a finalist, and it's almost an
afterthought because no one's able to see those those highlights.
(22:04):
So there's a ton of concerns that I think consideration
for why cal Stanford other packed the schools have looked elsewhere.
I mean, basically what they were presented wasn't competitive economically.
We went through the numbers yesterday, right to get one
point seven million subscribers, you would be doing something the
MLS as a league has not been able to do
(22:25):
as a league, and that includes, you know, incentives such
as signing up for season tickets right where or at
least from late July when those numbers came out and
they surpassed a million subscribers for the MLS I believe
Season Pass or whatever it's called. When Messi signed up
or when he you know, came to Inner Miami. It's
(22:46):
almost a I mean, you know, a thirty percent of
what they had had at that point was from incentives. So,
you know, we don't know exact all the details. We
only know what's been reported, but it's it seems pretty
clear the way schools reacted to what George Cleevekoff had
presented from Apple, that none of the schools are interested
(23:07):
in a streaming only platform at this time. That could
change in the future, maybe it changes that the next
media rites deal and most of these around like twenty
thirty where you can you know, they could start some
of those negotiations, but at this point it just doesn't
make any sense. And so, yeah, of course Callan Stanford
are gonna be searching other options. But you know, when
(23:28):
you look at the dire position they're in right now,
because everyone keeps talking about how like, oh, does anyone
have the student athletes well being in mind? Yeah, a
lot of the coaches and administrators are obviously cognizant of
the impact traveling from Berkeley, California, or Palo Alto all
the way across the country to the Atlantic coast. Yeah, clearly
(23:49):
they are understanding of the impact they would play on
those other teams. But what else do you want them
to do? Do you want them to just go be
absorbed in the Mountain West, Because clearly the PAC twelve
isn't going to be considered an autonomous five. That's not
going to be considered a power five anymore. So with
the transfer portal, you're either are going to have a
mass exodus of student athletes leaving if you're going to
(24:12):
join a smaller conference because that's not what they want,
or you've got to try to go find a better
opportunity elsewhere so you can support your athletics program, even
if it's all the way across the country. In which
we put it out again yesterday, the PAC twelve travel
is already difficult as it is. I mean, outside of
Stanford playing Cow, which is in close proximity, you're taking flights.
A lot of people on the East Coast don't really
(24:34):
understand how spread out the PAC twelve schools are from
one another, with the exception of schools that are in
the same state and close to one another. What it's Oregon,
Oregon State, Stanford Cow in that case, USCUCLA. But it's
not like a southern California schools busting up to northern California.
They're flying no different than you know, Arizona, Zona State.
It's same thing. They're obviously busting one another. Outside of that,
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they're flying. So there's a bit of a misconception as
to the burden that's placed on some of student athletes.
They're flying the majority of the case as it is now,
the trips just got a little bit longer. But in
this case, I just don't know how it makes sense
for the ACCDD Stanford and COL. I understand how it
makes sense for Stanford and col at this point. And
that's where like when we keep talking about realignment and expansion,
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unless Callen Stanford are willing to take a steep discount,
which I think the ACC is getting over thirty some
million a year, maybe Lee can check on what exactly
that number looks like. And another odd thing about Kal
Stanford looking at the ACC is you've got FSUC and
they want out, Like they're openly saying they want to
leave the ACC. Yet you're now, this is the conference
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you select or you choose to explore joining. So maybe
Jim Phillips, the ACC, you know, conference commissioner, knows something
we don't, and he's saying, if we're gonna lose FSU,
and if we're gonna lose someone else, we might as
well then kind of backload with a couple of the
programs that at least help, you know, fill out that void.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Washington State's president, Kirk Schultz, wrote a letter to Cougar
Nation on Monday, and he talked about just how Washington
and Oregon joining the Big Ten quote sealed the fate
of the PAC twelve. He talked about being shocked. He
also just asked for support for the Washington State program,
which I'm sure Nick Rollovitch could have used a few
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years ago. But the point is, I feel bad for
just the players and the fan base for these schools
because they're probably thinking to themselves, all right, we're finally
done with COVID, finally done with having a deal with
all that stuff. That was kind of a crazy time
for everybody. At Least now we can just focus on
football and get ready for the season. Oh, by the way,
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there's four teams left, like just like nobody knows. Everything
is so fluid, it's moving around.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's just for this year. It's the future though, I know,
but I just got time. It's not like, oh this
is going to change for this upcoming year where we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I just I think there's a portion of people and
I'm kind of falling in line with this to where
I just want whatever it's going to be. I just
wanted to be locked in and set to go. If
we're just gonna have conferences, all right, So this is
going to be continued every year.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We're starting to settle into a model now where you're
essentially going to have four at least, you know, autonomous
conferences or the power for if you will. Yeah, And
we're getting to a point where the age old model
that used to be, and we probably talked about this
on our Sunday Night show, was sixty teams, you know,
sixty teams that are probably worthy of of a the
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money and revenue they're generating based on their football and
basketball programs and competitively speaking, like, those sixty teams are
the teams that we feel like could ultimately win a
national championship. But those are probably the teams that are
starting to kind of form into this, whether you want
to call a power four or whatever you will, with
the way the reenlignment's occurring, and maybe it evolves from
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four to two as the SEC and Big ten just
look to absorb everyone. But again, I keep harkening back
to you, this is all being motivated and put by
the TV networks behind it, at least right now in
linear TV, for the platform that it provides, the money
that it provides to help these programs continue to be
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able to build and make money and compete with one another. Now,
what's going to change in college sports that could potentially
change the entirety of you know, the economics and how
this works is is if student athletes are considered to
be employees of this of the school, or if this
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goes to a professional model in some way. Whereas I said,
you know yesterday, if this turns into football and men's
women's basketball then becoming essentially a minor league. Now again
we can go into that down that rabble and talk
about whether or not there's reasons for like whether or
not that even works. Like right now, I would always say, well, look,
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you already have a minor league in basketball, right, you
have the G League, you have you know, professional leagues overseas.
If players out of high school don't want to play
in college, they don't have to. They can go elsewhere
and then eventually enter into the NFL or an NBA
draft in that case, So there are avenues there. For
football players, it's different because you're limited and you have
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to be three years room from high school. And so
in essence, the college football programs are a minor league program.
They are what's preparing that next wave of employment in
the NFL every single year, and so that, you know,
makes a little more sense in regards to how football
is viewed and buy and large, the football program drives
the most revenue, and on top of that, it's you know,
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even some men's basketball programs aren't necessarily even profitable, So
it's all going to be driven and pushed by football,
even though it impacts all their sports. However, there could
be a world we live in where football is looked
at as an employee or professional as opposed to a
student athlete. And then how does that work within the
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rest of these schools, you know, are they are they
still having the same amount of scholarship for you know,
men's and women's student athletes. There's so many questions that
still need to be answered. So to go back to
the initial point, this isn't going to be solved by
the time the season starts and then the realignment calms down.
There's still going to be subtle movement here and there
until we really kind of iron out what we view
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student athletes in football and men's women's basketball are and
how it relates to the schools that they're at. And
that's still going to be decided probably in court when
it's all said and done.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I wonder what Beino Coke would say about all this,
probably be just disgusted with all this movement conference realignment.
Just once the good old days, you know, just bring
back the BCS. Let's just get back to simpler times.
That's that's when college football was at its best.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And now that wouldn't mind bringing back the BCS to
determine the twelve team playoff, that's for sure. Yeah, that
model of at least, you know, factoring in the ranking.
And I know there's people who weren't a fan of it,
but if you think about it, there was a human component.
There was the computer component of it. You knew how
far back your team was based on the actual I
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guess BCS rankings because it showed you like a number.
You know. Now we have to have someone come out
from the College Football Playoff Committee and basically tell us like, hey,
we think this team's really good, we think this team
should be here. And you're saying, okay, you're really just
setting this up to let the schedule play itself out.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
You want to know how far we've come. Nick Saban.
His argument for last year's Alabama's team is that according
to the Gamblers, Alabama would have been favored against this
many teams that were in the College Football Playoff, like
that's where we're at now where it used to be BCS.
Or you would have a split share of the national
title like I think Colorado and Miami had, or Miami
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and Washington had back in the day. Now you got
a Nick Saban for the second time in Alabama history,
being left out of the College Football Playoff and saying, well,
we would have been favored over three of these teams anyway,
so that's why we should have been in. Like that's
how far we've come in college football. So good news
for the Gamblers. Bad news for the pac twelve, but
good news for us because we had college football lesson
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a month away. Should everybody get fired up?
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Speaker 2 (33:19):
By the way, we've been talking a lot about decisions
teams are making when it comes to the preseason, who's
going to start, who's going to get the nod Rick Stroud,
who covers the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sent out a picture
of the Buccaneers first depth chart, and you've got Baker
Mayfield or Kyle Trask as the starting quarterback, keeping their
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options open, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
They're still having a competition, right, I mean, they have
an announced to the guys going to be. I'm leaning
towards think it's going to be Baker Mayfield. Could be wrong.
Kyle Trasks now has been there for a period of time,
but you know, Baker's just got more experience. He's a
former number one overall pick. He's taking the team to
the playoffs. You know, it's to me, I think he
makes the most sense for this Tampa Bay team, especially
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because they've got a good roster. It's just about finding
that right piece to filling the huge shoes left behind
for Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Are we the only ones that root for Baker Mayfield?
I hope he does well, man like I really do it,
and I know he maybe rubs people the wrong way,
and he's done some stuff throughout the course of his
career in college and in the NFL that people don't like.
But I just think that he kind of got a
little bit of a raw deal from the Cleveland Browns.
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Just feel like it was kind of okay, well we're
gonna you know, they went ahead and got desperate for
Deshaun Watson after they got rid of him. But I
think people forget, and it's easy that people want to
kind of dismiss all this. Weren't they talking like potentially
a thirty million dollar a year contract with Baker Mayfield
before his final year, Like he won a playoff game there.
It's not like he didn't do anything in Cleveland, like
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he played good football at times, yet he's been sort
of cast aside. It is, well, you know, he can
maybe win a game for the for the Rams in
primetime against the awful Raiders, and now he's gonna have
to fight for a job with Kyle Trask for what
four or five million dollars a year.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Dude, I thought what he did with the Rams in
that kind of short span of time he got to
learn the playbook and going and execute was.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
A hell of a check that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, I know things didn't work out the way
you wanted it in Carolina, but it didn't for Sam Donald,
didn't for Teddy Brianden, didn't for anyone who was there right,
didn't for Matt Rule. I'm not sure any of them
had enough time to really, you know, settle into that.
I thought Sam Donald started to play some better football
at the end of last year, which is probably one
of the reasons why the forty nine ers made the
move to bring on Sam Donald, right, not knowing brock
(35:39):
Perty's you know, recovery from injury, what that looked like.
What's gonna happen with Trey Lance? Are they going to
keep him? Is he's still gonna be a guy in
the roster, so you know that obviously played a role,
but still, you know, he's he's very capable, you know,
to me of going there, starting and playing some good football.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So there's a couple of holdouts in the NFL. Nick
Bosa is still not with the San Francisco forty nine ers.
He would like a new contract. He's going to get paid.
They're confident they're going to get a deal done, but
he has not shown up for training camp whatsoever. And
so he's going to probably reset the market there when
it comes to pass rushers in the NFL, and he
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deserves it, he's been fantastic. The other one involves a
Golden Domer, first ballot Hall of Famer, a future first
Bouot Hall of Famer in Zach Martin, who's got all
the All pros, got everything you would want, but unfortunately
he does not have the contract he would want. He's
making more than the thirteen and a half million dollars
(36:38):
that he's due this upcoming season. That puts him down
the list as far as highest paid guards in the NFL.
But Jerry Jones had some comments about the situation when
asked about it on Monday. This courtesy of Calvin Watkins,
who covers the Cowboys for the Dallas Morning News. When
he was asked whether or not it was surprised by
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the holdout of Zack Martin. Quote, surprise is really not
the word there. It's very costly and so that's where
we are huge significant ramifications happening here by anybody's measurement financially,
And what he's referring to is the fact that Zach
Martin has missed twelve training camp practices thus far, and
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because of those fifty thousand dollars fines that go along
with those twelve training camp practices that you miss for
each one, that puts him at about six hundred thousand
dollars in fines and counting at this point during training camp.
So he's just out six hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
If he shows up, it all get wiped away. When
he comes back. You might not get the contract he
wants if he wants to come back, but that'll that'll
be the peace offering they provide him to appease them. Hey,
we're not going to find you come on back, but
we're also not giving you a new contract. So that's
that's usually how it works, right And maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe they do work out a way of restructuring his
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deal to provide him a little bit more security moving forward.
I mean, he's the second highest paid guard in the league.
And you know, even though he even make the case
he's the best guard in the NFL, it's it's tough
for an organization that paid him. You know what I
want to say, May five years ago or so twenty eighteen,
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whenever that that contract came up, but it's it's tough
to sit there and sayah, we're gonna turn right back
round and pay you again. The problem is is you
already did that with with Zeke Elliott. You already said that,
even with two years left on a deal, you're willing
to redo a player's deal. And Zach Barton slay to
become an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty five. Technically
he's got two avoidable years put on there, but at
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this point, I think if you were structured it, you
put in some some more guarantees that kind of allows
him to retire a Dallas cowboy. That's that's ultimately what
he's looking for. And I think the wise thing that
he's doing right now is he's using the fact that
Dallas has already set the president with Zeke Elliott, which
I just mentioned, and so he's now testing to see
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if they'll do that again. But he's also doing it
in a critical time, not only for Mike McCarthy's job security,
but also Dak Prescott. You know how they feel about
him as a quarterback, and what they feel like is
kind of a big year. We kind of forget how
the last couple of seasons have ended for the Cowboys
has n't been good. And when you don't have one
of your best offensive linemen up there, We've seen that
impact their running game, We've seen it impact to protection
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for Dak and his production. So how will they be
able to respond not having their best offensive lineman out?
There's if he wants this thing to hold out into the.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Season, And I would say, arguably maybe their best player
over the last decade.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, if you're basing it on accolades, et cetera, Yeah,
there's no doubt. I think it's it's you know, it's
always tough to sometimes, you know, quantify that with with
an offensive lineman. Right, we've got PFF and all these
other grades, but that's where you kind of start to
see their true value. And I think he's he's got
a case based on what he's done and how he
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how he's helped the team so far. But I'm just
not sure Jerry j willing to budge and I think
he's probably wouldn't admit it, but he made a mistake
with Zeke, And I shouldn't say a mistake in the
sense of Zeke wasn't worth it. Clearly he demonstrated that
at the time, but that was the decision that I
think doing it a year early was his mistake. And
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now it's open the door for every other player who's
got a couple of years left or more in their
contract to come back and try to renegotiate with them.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Especially if you look at the numbers after Zeke got paid,
he was never the same player than before he got paid. Like,
it just did not.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And I think there's a lot of people who will
point to that, like, oh, he got paid and he
got lazier, he wasn't this or that, like people try
to point to that. Sometimes sometimes it's just unlucky, or
sometimes it's hard to replicate what you're able to do
in one season where you have a career year and
that's the time where your agent's pushing he's like, no, no, no,
this is my guy. That's what he's gonna do the
rest of his career, and it's like, well, we'll see,
(40:52):
Like the cats out of the bag, this guy's not
a secret anymore. I mean, when Zeke Elliott burst on
the scene as a rookie, people are like, okay, like
this dude's for real. They knew he was coming out
from Ohio State. But then once he did it on
a stage like that for the Dallas Cowboys, they're like, Okay,
this is just going to continue on. Well, it's hard.
You're gonna have down years and injuries and all sorts
of things that play a factor. And that's where to
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me again, I keep kind of looking back at you.
Just these organizations don't want to set a precedent with
how they negotiate, because once they do it for one player,
they have to do it for everyone else. And that's
where it becomes incredibly difficult in these negotiations between you know,
Zach Martin's representation or wherever other you're talking about, when
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people are dealing with the Dallas Cowboys, and unfortunately that
the Jones family or Jerry Jones specifically, he's put himself
in this position.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, before we get to
our progressive play today, how about the news out of Jacksonville.
I mean, everything's starting to turn around for those Jacksonville Jaguars.
You know, they're playing multiple games in a row in
life in trying to figure out how they can get
a stadium renovated. They've now got a one hundred and
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twenty million dollars practice facility. They opened up in July
and then Scott Hansen of NFL Red Zone posted a
video showing off these new urinals they've got at the facility.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
The big yurnal connoisseur.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Well, yeah, big time. And I think they they tests
the player's hydration level, so it'll let you know depending
on how things will looking, whether or not you need
to go get a fluid.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Why these or this is just the facility, This isn't
in the stadium, Like we don't want to potentially test
also the hydration levels of the Jacksonville fan base, which
I would think would be like risk mitigation against dehydration
and agreed heat stroke and agree like if the players
in Jacksonville will get this, I think all the toilets
and jurnals should really have this. When we're talking about
the new stadium their building too.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I totally agree. And it's an opportunity for them
to increase water sales, you know, the that'll that'll go up.
I'm sure if people we'll see that they're dehydrated while
they're sitting, you know, pounding away at a urinal cake
and then they look down and go, oh my god,
I could get into another water here, So it says
that I'm dehydrated. It just feels And I think this
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is a fair trade off because there's been a clear
violation of our privacy going on for quite a while now,
touch ID on your phone, facial recognition, all the other
crap we got to deal with. I think it's a
fair trade off. If you're going to steal my identity
from me and steal everything from me while I go
and search for something on Amazon or someplace like that online,
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the least you could do is provide me a urinal
that lets me know how am I doing? All right?
Do I need another glass of water? Should I go
get a hydro flask?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Like?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What do we need here to make things look better
the next time you and I visit? You know, I
just feel like that's a fair trade off.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
So, I mean, what sort of information are they are
they taking from your urn? Uh?
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I don't know, just like it's it's color coded, like
if it's green, you're good to go.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
If it's yellow, No, I understand that from the hydration stamp. Yeah,
but you feel like there's some bigger power at b
that might be taking away some of your personal For me.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
I'm talking about elsewhere you go on your phone facial.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
And they do the face idea. Well, what do you
think they're doing with the urine?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, no, I think with the urine this is actually
a good thing. They're letting you know how your body's performing.
So they steal a bunch of stuff from us without
us even known about it, right, And you think that
there's aspect. No, I think that this is a trade off.
I think that yes, maybe they're getting, you know, some
of our information, but they're also providing something to us
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and letting us know you could use a little bit
more of this.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's what a little more liver loop is what you're saying, Like, yeah,
there might be a few people who go out there
and have a few drinks for the like you're not
drunk enough. In fact, maybe that's how this works, Like
maybe there's like an instant, like, you know, identification of
the fact that this person should drink two more beers.
So we just gave you twenty percent off. Go to
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the concession stand right now.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I do wonder if you were dehydrated, if you did
throw back two or three more throat burners? How how
much more hydrated would you be?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Because why do you define what a throat burner is?
For folks? A beer from that's it, because what does
a burn your throat?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
A lid liquor, a tonsil tickler? You never had one
of those? That's what you get after, you know, you
go to a game. We throw one back, especially in
that humidity. You know that humidity in Florida is especially
in uh, what is it basically Georgia. You guys are
calling it the Jacksonville's basics.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Jack Yeah, we call Jacksonville South South Georgia.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, basically, very very kind of you.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Long with that. I'm just saying that it probably more
resembles Georgia than it does like other areas of Florida.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
So I do want, like, what's so if you were
to get just a regular light beer, And of course,
let's be careful when we have this conversation, because everybody's
got a joke.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
And of course light beer, you know, you know when
it's cold because they've got the blue mountains on it.
It kind of gives you a little indicator. I don't
know something about that crisp refreshing taste.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I mean, uh, listen, Bud, you've got to lighten up.
And I don't even want to. I don't even want
to get into the conversation on because we've got a
whole bunch of material we could go for when it
comes to this, but as we transition something else. Yeah,
we'll just transition from that over this. In a in
a standard light beer, what percentage of the beer is water?
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Like?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
How how much of it is actually water? Because coffee
is majority water? Leave would you hapen to know off
the time? Yeah, it's got to be so. I would
feel like if you're dehydrated and you're standing in front
of a urinal at the Jacksonville Jaguars practice facility, that.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Would you know?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
That would be grounds for By.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
The way, could you imagine the facility tours? Like that's
what everyone wants to do. Oh you know, can I
go in the urinals?
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah? It's it's like the first fountain that was ever invented.
Hey can I see that thing that shoots water?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
No problem. It's like also I wonder.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
How it works, Like how often are they gonna have
to have someone come in and maintenance those things? You know,
to be able to make sure they're still accurate and reading.
I mean, what happens if, for example, they kept telling
you know, someone like, oh, they I don't know, they're
dehydrad they're dehydrated, like I would imagine most people are
going to registrate as dehydrated. I don't think enough people
drink water, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Do we have an answer?
Speaker 5 (47:26):
I drink lots of water because beer is ninety five
percent water?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
So is it really ninety five percent? Hey? God?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Pretty right?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Pretty much when you subtract the ABV and that's pretty
much all water after that?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Oh, hold on, what's the standard ABV?
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Well for a light beer? Two four to five percent?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, that's it. I always thought it was like six percent.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
So if you drink IPA's you get less water?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Really? Yeah, I always thought the ABV on on that
was I mean, what are we in Utah right now?
I mean, when we drinking three zero beer? What's happening
right now?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
You're right?
Speaker 5 (47:58):
It's about four point five percent? Actually, is for like
uh cors light, bud light, michelob light.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, God, no, wonder it takes me so many to
get a buzz?
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Are you sure? But bud lights four five. I thought
it was like three four. Oh, almost have gotten bad info.
I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Well, Jonas, what's your favorite I p A.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Let's let's check this one out. God, you know what's
a go to. It's just really solid and people are
going to think this is I'm making this up, okay,
Elsa Gundo Brewery, Steve Austin, the Wrestler. It's called broken
skull I p A.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
It is schull I p A.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It is tremendous, dude, I swear to god, it is
a fantasic sixty seven. So according to Lee's math.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Like dogfish has a couple that are By the.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Way, my brother is as a gag got me, uh
he said, oh, it's just your standard double I p A.
I was like, okay. I took a sip out of it.
It felt on my r face was burning, and it
was like seventeen percent. It was like a ninety minute
IPA or something like that. It's like some special.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Got one that's like a one hundred and twenty minute I think,
and it's like fifteen to twenty percent. But I remember
one Saint Patrick's day drinking a bunch of dogfishes with
Jeff Darling. Oh and literally like it was about two
and a half hours into it, realized the mistake that
I met.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You an old dogfish Darlington. Huh. You guys got after
it on the same.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Fat aggressive that was one of the worst hangar Reserve felt. Yeah,
that's a By the way, we had to talk a
little bit of booze since LaVar is not here today.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
That is fair.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'm just saying you'd always boosted somewhere.
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Yeah, of course, I mean we had to hit our
quota for the day.
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