August 9, 2023 • 38 mins
Jonas and Brady talk about the ‘screwed’ running back position, Kareem Hunt ditching New Orleans for Indianapolis and the Bucs "OR" designation. Johnny Manziel’s documentary highlights blown opportunities. Plus, the weekly edition of “The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Oh yeah, come on, Brady, Yeah, uh huh, there you go.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Man on fire this morning, Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with
you here. No, LeVar Arrington will be back next week.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You guess.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Say.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
I try to try to like partake in that too.
I know you should see him. Come on, let's go,
let's go. Hey, Sam, here's what you gotta know. Just
because LeVar is not here, that doesn't mean I'm gonna
try to like replace a portion of his role.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, we can't do it.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
It's not my style.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I just like this fat beat.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
I don't know about a fat beat. It's a good
beat though I'd like that song.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean when LeVar is not here.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Brady and I just morphed back into the show we
did on Sunday Nights for like six years together, which
was just grab Ass and bart Heads Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, we would have fun.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Bart Heads Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, that's an that's an Iowa law firm. Yeah, I
believe so good retort.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
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buying should be. So we had mentioned it's Brady Quinn
Jonas Knox of the Ear. We had mentioned that, you know,
when you throw dramatic music under anything, if the coach talks,
it just completely changes how it lands with the people listening.
And so I asked Samos, like, hey, if we tried
that at some point during the course of the show,
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do you have any dramatic music that you could play?
And he said, oh yeah, and he brought up this
one song. What is it called something Valkyries?
Speaker 6 (02:30):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Ride of the Valkyrie? Right of the Valkyrie?
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I think I've heard this one, So.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You tell me if you would categorize this as dramatic
and something that if you were to throw underneath a speech,
would all of a sudden take it to another level.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I just.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
That makes me want to run through a wall, Like, yeah,
does it?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Should we find a way of playing Some coaches talk
like Robert Sala's.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Clip over this. I had number of guys.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
The only bird, the only bird in the world that
will attack an eagle.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It sounds, it sounds geeks.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
We'll perch on the eagles back and peck at its neck.
So rather than fight back and tearing a quota pieces
like it can, like eagle spreads its wings and it
soars as high as it possibly can. It keeps going
and going as high as it can. And the higher
the eagle flies, the harder it is for the quota breath.
I mean, the song eventually suffocates, falls back down the.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Earth and cut the music this.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
This probably isn't the right song, But Sam, it's not
a bad thought.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
I think you're on the right track. That's just probably
not the right song.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's classical, not dramatic. You want dramatic.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
No dramatic could fit. Dramatic could fit.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's that dramatic classical.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
That's just not the right song. All right, let's just
live at that.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't like it. You hyped up.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
The dramatic would be something something from Hans or something
like that, the guy who did the soundtrack for Inception.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That's dramatic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, if you wanted to do Game of Thrones
like that music that's dramatic. That just sounds like some
nerdy crap you would play at some Christmas party and
a barn in des Moines. That's what that is. That's
what that sounds like.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
But that just did not sound good. That's the bottom line, bottom.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, so we can move on if we go over
some like random NFL like topics at headlines, probably something
that you're not going to be prepared for.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It didn't a whole about a second. You know, they
call me show prep Jesus for a reason. Yeah, Like,
no discredit me once you throw something at me read
up on it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No, it's not that you're read up on it. I
understand you're read up on it. It's more of the
general thoughts of like, for example, Melvin Gordon coming out
and saying that quote, running backs are kind of screwed.
It's like after all of the face times and whatever
the meetings and conversations they've had, they've apparently they're coming
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down to this conclusion.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right, Yeah, Well this is Melvin Gordon, the same guy
who spoke out about this. Didn't he also try and
get a better deal and it didn't go well. He
ended up it was in Denver. He left the Chargers,
ended up in Denver and it didn't go well for him. Yeah,
of course you're screwed it, Like that's that's kind of
how this whole thing has been operating, and how this
whole thing has been working for a while. And you
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made the point to where, look, if a player's holding
out and trying to get a better deal, but there's
some guy next in line who's ready to take a
one year deal at the minimum salary because he just
wants to play, doesn't that kind of kill your leverage
as a position group.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's the whole point of you know, when we were
talking about Jonathan Taylor situation one of a new contract,
and yet the Colts now not only signed Kenyon Drake,
who's a veteran running back, but kream Hunt as well,
who apparently almost signed with the Saints, and then after
getting reportedly a better offer, opportunity is now up in Indianapolis.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
So that is how this works. The second you think
you should be paid more, you should get this. You
should get that they can just.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Replace you with another player who's willing to take less
in order to do that same job. Now, they might
not be as effective as that one player is, but
Kenyan Drake Kareem Hunt combined with that running back room
might be cheaper and just as effective as a whole,
as opposed to that singular player who's getting compensated at
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a premium level, probably more so than the entire running
back room.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They're just in a bad spot, and I don't know
how it improves. I don't know how it gets better.
I think there's always going to be a place for
running backs, at least I hope so. Especially growing up,
running backs are always such an important part of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I just I look around. I was actually thinking
about this.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If you looked at every position in the NFL and
you were to say, right now, I can identify by
a Hall of Famer, like you could probably do it
for every single position, if you went quarterback, offensive line,
if you went tight end, wide receiver, if.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You did that at running back right now, Derrick Henry,
and that's it right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well maybe, but I think that's also a byproduct of
like what's changed. But yeah, I mean I would say
he's the first that comes to mind, and then after
that you'd say, Okay, it's kind of hard to know
who the next one would be. And I think that's
honestly because of the way teams have used running back
by committee. And then I think you throw on top
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of that just the fact that there's not many guys
who can sustain or have consistent, sustained success in the
NFL and not get injured, to not have some of
those issues.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So it's tough anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And yeah, you're gonna have a drought, like probably to
where the conversation's going, You're gonna have a drought of
running backs who enter the Hall of Fame because of that,
because of how much the game has changed, which is,
you know, it's sad to see it morph into this,
but that's the evolution of any sport. You know, eventually
it's going to go through its ebbs and flows of
all that. How about the just the fact that the
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Colts find themselves not on the the end of a
team almost signing a player than him going somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
It was like the exact job. Usually the Colts of
the team that that happens too.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, and I guess it is probably gonna make Jim
Mersey feel a little bit better about them losing that
Super Bowl. This will make up for the fact that, hey,
well at least we stole you know, this running back
who was about to sign with the Saints. Maybe he'll
sign with us. Is that is that common, by the way, when,
because I know you've talked about this before, where there's
a seventh round draft pick or somebody late in the
draft and there's offers on the table if you're an
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undrafted free agent, and then somebody comes in and says, well,
we'll give you more if you sign here after the
draft is over. Is that is that common to where
a team, oh, yeah, we'll just reach out and say, hey,
don't sign there, don't don't take your visit all the
way through, because we'll offer you this.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If you come here and check the check the facility out.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Not about visit, but like then free agency of course,
like you're always just going to go to the team
that usually gives you.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
The highest offer.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But as far as the draft goes in seventh round, yeah,
there'll be agents talking to teams being like, don't draft
my player, like.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Trying to get him into the free agent market because.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They'll be able to sign it obviously a similar rookie contract,
but maybe a little bit better signing bonus and at
least have their pick of rosters they can go to
which might help them make the roster and then have
a chance of getting to a second contract. So at
that point, you'd rather not be pigeonholed into one team
where it might not be as good of an opportunity
for you to make the roster.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But yeah, that happens a decent amount of time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Hey, by the way, how about your guy Todd Bowles?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Uh, you know, just really keeping this quarterback battle between
Trask and Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I mean it could go down to the wire here.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Ye, Look, I have no problem with there being a
quarterback competition in battle. Here's the issue, because we haven't
en gotten to the first preseason game yet, you only
have three now your starters, they're not going to play
the third, so you really have two to deal with,
Like are you really going to learn that much more
in the next two weeks between how Baker and how
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Kyle Trast play. I mean there is an element of
just go with where your gut is feeling and if
it doesn't work out, and you can change. Because the
problem is the further you get into training camp and
into the preseason. Now you've got a locker that's looking
around and like, well, who's the guy, Like who's going to.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Be our guy?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And you also have an offense that's not allowing itself
to work with the ones to develop that sort of chemistry.
And instead of giving either Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask
more of an opportunity to build that chemistry to be
the guy to be prepared for a week one, you're
really not preparing anyone. I think this is oftentimes a
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mistake that defensive minded head coaches make because they don't
understand the value of a quarterback and differentiate them the
way they should from.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
The rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Like to me, this is the age old tale of
if I was an owner or if I was a
general manager, that I was in charge of hiring a
head coach, why I wouldn't want to hire a defensive
mind a head coach is for this reason, because they
oftentimes make this mistake. They think that they can, Oh,
it's a competition, we need to Yeah, it is a competition,
but at some point the competition for a quarterback has
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to end sooner because that guy, whoever you deem him
to be all right. Between the two of these guys,
everyone in that locker room needs to know that that's
your guy, and everyone in the lockero needs to know
that that's the voice on the field, that's the voice
in the locker room that's different from you. He's an
extension of you in a way, but it's different from you.
And it's honestly more important because he's he's the one
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on the field actually playing, and so those guys have
to be able to listen to him, rally around him,
take his leadership. And if you go into it where
it's a gray area and you extend on this, you know,
this sort of quarterback competition issue where the offensive line
doesn't have a good feel for the cadence of the
quarterback and his calls. The receivers don't have a good
feel for the timing. That's all wrapped into the different
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you know, passing concepts and routes at his full work
and everything else. I mean, all those things play a factor,
and you're limiting those reps. So I always hate when
you see this sort of thing kind of bleed on
into the preseason. It's not like that staff doesn't have
a good idea of who they think is going to
be the starter or it was eventually gonna win this
thing out well.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Todd Bowles, a head coach of the Buccaneers, spoke yesterday
about what that plan will look like when it comes
to the preseason game the Baker mayfield Kyle's Trask battle,
the either or if you will when it comes to
the QB battle there as they get ready for the
Pittsburgh Steelers coming up on Friday.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Preseason goes who starts for the game be not at
this point, but you know, whoever starts this game, the
other one start the next game and get the same
amount of rep. So once we sit down and go
through that. On Thursday, we'll have a better decision. But
they both should expect to play.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you won't have a second quarterback Friday play with
like the first line or the starters.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Though if the starters play, we'll see, but the quarterbacks
will play.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Not confusing at all.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Well, and beyond that, like, so now you're gonna puw.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're gonna put either one of your potential starting quarterbacks
behind a second string offensive line.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So maybe survival of the fittest. Maybe I've got this
all wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He's just trying to see what's quarterback can make it
healthy of the Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Now, how can we take advantage of this? Gambling wise?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Take the under? Just take the total wins for the
Tampa Bay bab.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Okay, so we're going season wins. I was just thinking
about this preseason game. So the line as it stands
right now on DraftKings is a pick them, and then
the point total on this is thirty nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So let's go. Let's move it forward.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Season wins for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers based on whatever
the hell the plan is at quarterback. Let's go ahead,
what would be your guess on season wins right now?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Which six and a half?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
All right, So let's go ahead and we are calculating
the numbers here. This has nothing to do with slow
Wi Fi or anything like that at all. This is
a professionally run show, professionally operated. So let's go ahead,
and Brady Quinn, you are correct. Six and a half wins.
That is the over under here, with money seemingly coming
in on the under, which makes some.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Sense with minus one fifty.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Minus one forty forty.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, look, if you're if you're looking at the
NFC South, I think there's two players that you feel
probably pretty good about, and that's the Saints and then Carolina.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
At least in my.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Opinion, Atlanta will see what they're able to do. They're
more competitive last year that people gave them credit. As
I said yesterday, the Bucks have a good roster. I
just don't know what the offense is going to look like.
I think Baker can play well within it. Defensively, did
they kind of hit their peak back when they won
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a Super Bowl. It just's a lot of question and
again this sort of decision making as you go into
the season in regards to your quarterbacks and the way
it sounds, at least to the outside, it doesn't allow
you to have much confidence and how this is going
to work once we get in season.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, it just reminds me of a story you told
me years ago about Lovey Smith and deciding between Rex Gross.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh my gosh, you remember that story I told you
about how he just he wouldn't even like make any
educated decision.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He just flip a coin.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, just flip.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
That's how they decided who would start. Just flip a coin.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't even find out what coin it was. Was
it a quarter, a nickel, and dime?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
It could have been a fifty cent piece with JFK
on the front. Back in the day, it could have
been one of those.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
It could have been a fifty cent piece.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's true, it could have been. But yeah, just the
old flip of the coin years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
For that Actually wasn't me who told you that that
was That was actually a story you would recamp every
single preseason of every year. So Sam, who get a
round of applause knock for being able to get in
once again a reference to Lovey Smith during his time
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears flipping a
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coin to determine who would start between Rex Grossman and
Cal Rdon.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay, hold ont a second.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
A couple of things here, a brand new audience, so
that that dog still hunts.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You know, I can bring that back and I'll recite no.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
One listening right now, who really is going to buy
into that?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And I also feel like that was a slight misrepresentation
of me, that you would think that I would have
nothing else to offer a quarterback conversation in the preseason
except to play one of the classics, which was Lovey
Smith flipping a coin, which I could have sworn you
told me about years ago on the air.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now again, now, that story had no interest of me,
nor did I want to believe that actually is what
took place.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. A. By the way, what did you
think of my attempt at one of the middle Finger.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Video? So it's pretty good? Yeah, that's pretty good. I
saw a really good one earlier this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
A guy was like filming the sand and it almost
looked like you're gonna see like a crab or something
come up from the sand.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
And he just pulls his arm up and flicks off
the kit. I was like, that got me. Didn't see
that coming.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Wait a second, Yeah, I said that that was yours.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Yes, Oh that was a pretty good one.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Damn it.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I don't think that was yours.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I swear to God I sent that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
It wasn't It wasn't yours. It was a good one though.
The one you sent me, I think it came out
of a dump truck. That was the latest one. Was
the one that came out of a dump truck. I'm
almost positive, Like there's there's been so many that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And by the way, you one hundred percent did not
send the one the sand I sent you that.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think that's one hundred percent Trump looking at the
text mess exchange right now.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Oh come on, that's a misinformation. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
By the way, for the people listening on the iHeartRadio
app and Jalisco that means payaso. He just called me
a piasso. But again, and just a fun show all
the way around that. We will take you all the
way up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific
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could see the return of a borderline Hall of Fame
(18:15):
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
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Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh, this is got Brady Quinn written all over it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh yeah, the Motley Crue on a hump day.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Huh, love me some Motley Crue? Yeah? What do you
think partying with those guys is like back in the day.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I don't think you're gonna remember a lot of it,
you know?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Ah yeah, I mean listen sing it?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Sam?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, come on Sam? Oh Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
How's Lee doing today?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
By the way, he's good, you know, tiptop shape.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
How do you guys like he's not still in the crapper.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I started the show? Oh, get it all out of
the way.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Do you guys like Todd's technique in that photo I
sent you? Yeah? And flipping the burg out about that? Yeah?
I forgot too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Todd and Lee were hanging out by the pool and
Todd threw up a middle finger, but he did the
proper middle finger to where he everything was tucked in.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
He didn't have the thumb pointed out.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He didn't have anything hanging out. No, it wasn't sloppy.
I mean, I think that's what I'm acall from now on.
That's just a sloppy middle finger if you leave the
thumb out.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
By the way, Lee, what were you sipping on? What
were you guys drinking yesterday? What was the cocktail of choice?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Modello?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That is actually I think the number one beer in
America is get Loose. I get Loose.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I have a dear friend who, uh you know, works
in the alcohol industry in Ohio, and he told me
that give me that information.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah. I think he doesn't move more wine though.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But yeah, yeah, listen, I reached out and I got
the information that I needed.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So there was that.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You're from the meat wagon, Yeka.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn Jonas Knox with
the Here all right, So coming up later on this hour,
we are going to hand out some midweek awards. It's
another edition of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly,
and that'll be yours here again. We'll call it less
than twenty minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. So
Matt Ryan, who is now working for CBS, he will
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be a studio analyst this upcoming season. Matt Ryan was
talking with The Athletic recently and just sort of talking
about what his approaches to the upcoming year, potential comeback,
and also just what you know, his time in Indianapolis
was like, you know, seemed like everything went smoothly there,
and he said the following quote, I'm staying in shape.
I think it is kind of you know, my number,
(20:55):
you know where I'm at. If anything were to come up,
you know, we'll see. CBS is where my focus is now.
But we'll see how the season shakes out. And then
he also talked about his time in Indianapolis and referred
to the last eighteen months as quote a bleep show.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Oh come on, come on, I'll be saying that about
Jim Irsay's team.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, that did not go well.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
That went about as poorly as as anybody could possibly
have hoped for when it comes.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
To you know, what I love about that quote is,
you know, Matt Ryan, former MVP. I mean literally, if
not for an absolute collapse by them. He's a Super
Bowl winning quarterback and you're probably making a case for
him being in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yes, statistically speaking, the numbers are there. It's just a
matter of, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Other accolades that have to come along with it, Right,
that changed the perception.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Of you as a player.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But I say this all the time, and I think
it's because of how my career went. People are like, well, yeah,
but you know, sometimes I want to hear from someone else. Okay,
well there's Matt Ryan for you, Like, there's someone else
who will sit there and tell you when you go
to a bad situation circumstance doesn't matter if you're even
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a former league MVP, you're going to have a really
hard time overcoming that situation circumstance. And I'm talking like
bad ownership, bad coaching, bad general manager. There are teams
that just constantly find themselves in that position because they
are poorly run, and it's top down.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
If we want to be real about the organizations that
are competitive year in and year out, it's because they
have owners who understand how to be competitive year in
and year out, and they're willing to invest those resources
in being competitive, and they're willing to invest the resources
and building an organization that helps them maintain that consistent
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competitive nature. There's others that are just an organization. They're
just trying to make a profit. They're trying to have
some fun while doing it. It's cool for their owner
because their owner has made a billion dollars doing something
else and now they have a sports franchise. That's how
it works, and it's unfortunate because players, careers and reputations
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get put in the way of that. Now that being said,
that being said, did you watch the Johnny Football documentary?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I want to watch it, though, I gotta watch that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I saw about I don't know, ten to fifteen minutes.
What bothered me the most about that is that as
an example of a player, he got drafted into a
bad organization, but yet didn't do anything to try to
make it better. And even like there it's him and
his agent are like admitting that he didn't watch any film.
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I'm like, why do you want people to feel bad
for you then for the different issues that you face
when you're openly admitting you didn't put in any work
to it, You didn't even attempt to be a professional
athlete and prepare for your job, and yet you were
being paid million. Why is that a laughing, entertaining point
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or moment in any docu series. It's like, like, That's
what I don't understand is there might be people who
are a huge Johnny football fan, Johnny Manziel fans, and
that's great if you're a big fan of in from
Texas and m or just his persona and who he
is off the field. The reality is he took up
someone's draft pick and didn't even attempt to prepare.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
To be a professional quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
If I'm a Browns fan, if I'm even a Johnny
Manziel fan, I'm kind of like, come on, dude, you
had a shot at this and you didn't like, you
didn't try, you didn't watch any film, you didn't prepare.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
How about the fact that Jerry Jones had to be
talked into not taking Johnny Manziel and instead took Zach
Martin kind of begrudgingly because it was Stephen Jones and
that word.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
We drafted a Hall of Famer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
You know, I mean a credentials up there with like
great great offensive lineman in the history of the NFL
thus far. But okay, you know that's that's Jerry Jones
for you. It's yeah, Manzell has always struck me as
never really been totally accountable, and even when he was,
it was just kind of like yeah, whatever, Like it
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just I can't I don't know how. I know he
comes from money, Like I don't know how's he still
making it? Like I don't Is it just like is
that oil money just different than everything else?
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Because that was well, first of all, you won the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I mean there's gonna be opportunities and things they always
come along with that the rest of his life.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I mean, no one can take away.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
What he was able to accomplish and what he was
able to build as far as a brand, you know,
during his time in college and even to a degree
into the NFL. Now that comes with its limits. But
and again I don't know about the whole backstory. I've
always read or heard he came from money, but you know,
he the success he had in college will always stay
with him.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just I feel like when you do a docu
series like this and you're talking about you know, not
watching film, not doing the things that you were your job,
like I always just look at it and say, well,
you're you're You've got a lot of responsibility as a
quarterback of a franchise, and like, things didn't work out
for me there in Cleveland, but I would have it
wasn't from a lack of effort. It wasn't from a
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lack of watching film, a lack of preparing myself physically,
mentally and all that stuff. You know, maybe I just
wasn't as talented as I needed to be given the
circumstance around me. Maybe with some of the things that
were you know, I was dealing with in regards to,
you know, a coach that got brought in after I
was drafted, you know, and once you battle that where
you don't have a coach that's actually wanting you to
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be as guy, it becomes pretty hard to be the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
And so there's so many there's so many little things
that add.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Up to that that you just go like, yeah, I
could see how he'd be, you know, how things could
not work out there for him in Cleveland. But if
you're not even putting the work to be the quarterback
and try to be the guy, that's the most alarming
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
All that was one thing that I'll get my parents.
I always give them credit for because they take me
the one thing you absolutely cannot be if you want
to be in our house, if you want to represent our.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Family, can't be lazy.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Can't be lazy like that was their thing.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I look at it and I go I could
not live with myself if I walked away from a
career like Johnny Manziel and can't say to people, I
did everything.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Within my power to try and make it work. It
just didn't work.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
If I know I gave it my all, then I
can walk away and at least say, listen, it just
didn't work out. It wasn't meant to be. But I know,
at least on my end, the effort was there. The
fact that he's got to walk away and acknowledge for
the rest of his life I didn't do enough and
that opportunity's gone and he's never going to get it back.
I don't know about you. I couldn't live with myself Conn.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
It'd be impossible to have those sort of regrets for
a once in a lifetime opportunity or for someone it
was like for me, it was a dream dude like
I drew up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I grew up with a Brown's poster in my bedroom
from the time I can remember, maybe four or five
years old that said Brown's Welcome Brady Quinn. And so
when that moment happened, like it was a dream come true.
And and I think the probably the one thing I
fault myself for more than anything else, was like putting
too much pressure on what it meant to me, to
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my family, to my friends, to everyone else. And it
was like, at some point not to not to take
away from the importance of the task at hand, but
you have to kind of be like, dude, you just
gotta go out there and play football. Stop worrying about
the weight of everyone else that you're you're thinking of,
or you want to make proud or what like.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
At some point, you just have to go out there
and play.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like those things can't consume you, and they can't, you know,
distract you from just going out and playing free and
playing the way you're capable of. But it takes a
while to kind of learn that. You know, for for
Johnny Ops, he could play free, but it's like there's
a there's a certain element of responsibility where like I
could not imagine how he would felt would feel going
into games. I always felt so prepared from what I'd watched,
(29:00):
and if there was a little anxiety, it was probably
from like, well, you know, it's the NFL.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That might be a little wrinkle this week, right, So
you're waiting for that third down, you're waiting for that pressure,
that blitz, something that you didn't see or haven't prepared
for because they haven't shown it yet, and they're gonna
throw it.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They're gonna throw a little wrinkle in there from.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Time to time, and oftentimes it never even end up.
You know, it never came like you were chasing ghosts.
Sometimes when you'd look for like three years back on film,
where hey do you remember when he did this though
when it was a fourth down the game was on
the line, this is what they went to. You'd be
like sitting in hours in a film room talking about it,
and you'd have it on your game plan. You'd write down, like, hey,
(29:37):
this is what they did back in you know, two
thousand and five, like before you were watching film as
a rookie, before you even got in this is what
they did in this in this playoff scenario and you'd
be running this stuff down and then you'd be almost
waiting for it to happen in the game that doesn't happen,
you're like, sh all right, well move on to the
next and.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Every week you're doing that.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
But like, I could only imagine what.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It felt like to be a player who didn't watch
any film before a game of your opponent.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That would give me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, that's like the definition of like, yolo, whatever, man,
let's just go out there and wing it. Let's see
how this thing goes. Like I just I could not
operate that way. I couldn't do this radio show with
you that way.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, I've heard I've heard people say that you don't
get paid to play, you get you get paid to
prep and to practice. Like that's how some players, you like,
psychology wise, Like I I earn my money in preparing
and getting ready for the game, and then the game
is the fun part. But it's it's the grind, it's
(30:41):
the preparation. All of that stuff is where you really
earn your money. The fact that there was none of
that and he just said we'll figure it out on
the field, It's like, all right, okay, dude, Yeah, that's
a that's a wild one. But hey, he was damn
fun to watch in college.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
God, he was fine, he was he was a ton
of fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think now you go back and the hard thing
is is, you know people kind of wander. I don't
want to say cover up for them, but no one
wanted to tell the whole truth, right Because I think
about it, when you're a college coach, as much as
you want to have integrity to the scouts and coaches
and people who are asking about that player, you also
know that it's a recruiting tool for you.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Johnny Manziel goes in the first round.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Guess what I'm telling every quarterback afterwards, Hey he come
be him, come wing a heisman, Come be in the
first round. Like, that's a recruiting tool. So you don't
want to tell. You don't want to say, like, hey,
he's not watching film.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
They got they got a brand new facility at Texas
A and m Kevin someone got a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Like a lot of people benefited from his short time
at Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, dude, that's a resume builder. Like Kevin Someone's gonna
have on his resume forever. You know, as far as
what he did during his time with that, and and
and so there's there's all those things that people don't
want to let the truth get out. And nowadays the
funny thing is the iPads, right, Like everyone knows that
old JaMarcus Russell story from his time with the Raiders
when they, you know, they give him a DVD and
(32:00):
they say, hey, come, you know, let us know what
the concepts and stuff you like on this and they
ask him the next day, you know, what he liked
about it.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
And he's like, oh, yeah, like all of it, like
all of it. And then of course you know, he
didn't watch anything. There was a blank tape. They didn't
put anything on it, right.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And the funny thing is now they have iPads, right,
and so if you're at home, they can track the usage.
They know if you haven't watched a damn thing. I mean,
it used to be different back in our day, where
like you would have a computer, you'd go get loaded
up with film. You'd go back to your house and
you'd plug it in, like I literally had a film room,
and so you'd sit there with the cowboy remote like
(32:34):
you did in meetings and if you weren't in the
quarterback room watching it. You'd be at home watching it
and you'd be you know, texting your coach or you know,
back then sometimes email and you'd be talking about different concepts,
ideas or asking questions about stuff. And so now they
can just track you on the iPad and they know
if you haven't even logged in and you haven't done
any of the work. So it's just it's funny to me,
(32:56):
like how much it's changed. But at the same time,
you still have to put in the work. And it's
crazy that.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
He didn't watch anything, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Well, it's just incredible story.
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
All right, lead to lab who's got what this week?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Well, you know it's a good week when Brady's given
the good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Brady, yeah, good this week?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
All right, Honestly, it's better than good. It's hall of
fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's my guy, Joe Thomas going into the Hall of
Fame this past weekend for the Cleveland Browns being immortalized
with that beautiful bust. You know, he was a lot
of people don't know this, but my first interaction with
Joe was actually in a high.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
School American game.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And I tell people all the time, anyone who asked
me about him as a player, I'm like, you could
see it back then.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I mean, he was big, he had the frame, the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Way he moved, his technique, his demeanor, just how he
approached the game. I mean, you just knew he was
like a prodigy, like a Doogie Howser of offensive tackles.
And obviously when I got drafted there with him, I
knew a lot about him, just you know, from that standpoint,
both being prospects but incredibly thankful just for the opportunity
to play alongside him. He's a tremendous teammate, a wonderful man,
(36:51):
a wonderful dad, and so it was really really cool
to see him honored as he should have been for
being the iron Man in the NFLS.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
So that that's my good for the week.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
One of the most difficult positions in football, And I
was thinking about this over the weekend. What must it
have been like as a quarterback, just knowing, Oh yeah,
I don't have to.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Worry about that. Yeah, yeah, you're good.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
That's one last thing I have to worry about, and
it's the most important position maybe on the field for
tver thousand.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Three and sixty three concricutive staffs.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Incredible.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, well, guys, you can't have good without the bad.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Jonas, what was bad this week?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All my ankles, My ankles are destroyed and it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I've got mosquito bites that are so bad.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
There's there's like you guys can have mosquitos out there.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, my god, it's awful.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
There's like like there's fluid coming out of one of them,
like it's it's really gross. My wife keeps telling me,
go see a doctor, Go see a doctor, but you
know me, Midwest built, please doctor, my ass deal with
it and hopefully there's no infection that occurs.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
But yeah, that's my bad for the week.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It's not looking good from a calf down and there's
not a lot of calf there to begin with.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
So all right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 9 (38:01):
Well, no one better to give the ugly than yours, truly,
and the ugly this week is the worst World Cup
finish ever for the US women's national team.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Sorry, guys, eliminated by Sweden.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Rapino unable to get her shot on gold or in
the penalty shootout. Tough break for USA fans everywhere.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
You're not wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Don't don't be critical. You'll upset people.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yeah, people get mad at you.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
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Speaker 5 (00:53):
Say.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
I try to try to like partake in that too.
I know you should see him. Come on, let's go,
let's go. Hey, Sam, here's what you gotta know. Just
because LeVar is not here, that doesn't mean I'm gonna
try to like replace a portion of his role.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, we can't do it.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
It's not my style.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I just like this fat beat.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
I don't know about a fat beat. It's a good
beat though I'd like that song.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean when LeVar is not here.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Brady and I just morphed back into the show we
did on Sunday Nights for like six years together, which
was just grab Ass and bart Heads Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, we would have fun.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Bart Heads Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, that's an that's an Iowa law firm. Yeah, I
believe so good retort.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
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buying should be. So we had mentioned it's Brady Quinn
Jonas Knox of the Ear. We had mentioned that, you know,
when you throw dramatic music under anything, if the coach talks,
it just completely changes how it lands with the people listening.
And so I asked Samos, like, hey, if we tried
that at some point during the course of the show,
(02:23):
do you have any dramatic music that you could play?
And he said, oh yeah, and he brought up this
one song. What is it called something Valkyries?
Speaker 6 (02:30):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Ride of the Valkyrie? Right of the Valkyrie?
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I think I've heard this one, So.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
You tell me if you would categorize this as dramatic
and something that if you were to throw underneath a speech,
would all of a sudden take it to another level.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I just.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
That makes me want to run through a wall, Like, yeah,
does it?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Should we find a way of playing Some coaches talk
like Robert Sala's.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Clip over this. I had number of guys.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
The only bird, the only bird in the world that
will attack an eagle.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It sounds, it sounds geeks.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
We'll perch on the eagles back and peck at its neck.
So rather than fight back and tearing a quota pieces
like it can, like eagle spreads its wings and it
soars as high as it possibly can. It keeps going
and going as high as it can. And the higher
the eagle flies, the harder it is for the quota breath.
I mean, the song eventually suffocates, falls back down the.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Earth and cut the music this.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
This probably isn't the right song, But Sam, it's not
a bad thought.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
I think you're on the right track. That's just probably
not the right song.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's classical, not dramatic. You want dramatic.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
No dramatic could fit. Dramatic could fit.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's that dramatic classical.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
That's just not the right song. All right, let's just
live at that.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't like it. You hyped up.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
The dramatic would be something something from Hans or something
like that, the guy who did the soundtrack for Inception.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
That's dramatic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, if you wanted to do Game of Thrones
like that music that's dramatic. That just sounds like some
nerdy crap you would play at some Christmas party and
a barn in des Moines. That's what that is. That's
what that sounds like.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
But that just did not sound good. That's the bottom line, bottom.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, so we can move on if we go over
some like random NFL like topics at headlines, probably something
that you're not going to be prepared for.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It didn't a whole about a second. You know, they
call me show prep Jesus for a reason. Yeah, Like,
no discredit me once you throw something at me read
up on it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
No, it's not that you're read up on it. I
understand you're read up on it. It's more of the
general thoughts of like, for example, Melvin Gordon coming out
and saying that quote, running backs are kind of screwed.
It's like after all of the face times and whatever
the meetings and conversations they've had, they've apparently they're coming
(05:04):
down to this conclusion.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right, Yeah, Well this is Melvin Gordon, the same guy
who spoke out about this. Didn't he also try and
get a better deal and it didn't go well. He
ended up it was in Denver. He left the Chargers,
ended up in Denver and it didn't go well for him. Yeah,
of course you're screwed it, Like that's that's kind of
how this whole thing has been operating, and how this
whole thing has been working for a while. And you
(05:27):
made the point to where, look, if a player's holding
out and trying to get a better deal, but there's
some guy next in line who's ready to take a
one year deal at the minimum salary because he just
wants to play, doesn't that kind of kill your leverage
as a position group.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's the whole point of you know, when we were
talking about Jonathan Taylor situation one of a new contract,
and yet the Colts now not only signed Kenyon Drake,
who's a veteran running back, but kream Hunt as well,
who apparently almost signed with the Saints, and then after
getting reportedly a better offer, opportunity is now up in Indianapolis.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
So that is how this works. The second you think
you should be paid more, you should get this. You
should get that they can just.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Replace you with another player who's willing to take less
in order to do that same job. Now, they might
not be as effective as that one player is, but
Kenyan Drake Kareem Hunt combined with that running back room
might be cheaper and just as effective as a whole,
as opposed to that singular player who's getting compensated at
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a premium level, probably more so than the entire running
back room.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They're just in a bad spot, and I don't know
how it improves. I don't know how it gets better.
I think there's always going to be a place for
running backs, at least I hope so. Especially growing up,
running backs are always such an important part of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I just I look around. I was actually thinking
about this.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If you looked at every position in the NFL and
you were to say, right now, I can identify by
a Hall of Famer, like you could probably do it
for every single position, if you went quarterback, offensive line,
if you went tight end, wide receiver, if.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You did that at running back right now, Derrick Henry,
and that's it right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well maybe, but I think that's also a byproduct of
like what's changed. But yeah, I mean I would say
he's the first that comes to mind, and then after
that you'd say, Okay, it's kind of hard to know
who the next one would be. And I think that's
honestly because of the way teams have used running back
by committee. And then I think you throw on top
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of that just the fact that there's not many guys
who can sustain or have consistent, sustained success in the
NFL and not get injured, to not have some of
those issues.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So it's tough anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And yeah, you're gonna have a drought, like probably to
where the conversation's going, You're gonna have a drought of
running backs who enter the Hall of Fame because of that,
because of how much the game has changed, which is,
you know, it's sad to see it morph into this,
but that's the evolution of any sport. You know, eventually
it's going to go through its ebbs and flows of
all that. How about the just the fact that the
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Colts find themselves not on the the end of a
team almost signing a player than him going somewhere else.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
It was like the exact job. Usually the Colts of
the team that that happens too.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, and I guess it is probably gonna make Jim
Mersey feel a little bit better about them losing that
Super Bowl. This will make up for the fact that, hey,
well at least we stole you know, this running back
who was about to sign with the Saints. Maybe he'll
sign with us. Is that is that common, by the way, when,
because I know you've talked about this before, where there's
a seventh round draft pick or somebody late in the
draft and there's offers on the table if you're an
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undrafted free agent, and then somebody comes in and says, well,
we'll give you more if you sign here after the
draft is over. Is that is that common to where
a team, oh, yeah, we'll just reach out and say, hey,
don't sign there, don't don't take your visit all the
way through, because we'll offer you this.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If you come here and check the check the facility out.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Not about visit, but like then free agency of course,
like you're always just going to go to the team
that usually gives you.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
The highest offer.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But as far as the draft goes in seventh round, yeah,
there'll be agents talking to teams being like, don't draft
my player, like.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Trying to get him into the free agent market because.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
They'll be able to sign it obviously a similar rookie contract,
but maybe a little bit better signing bonus and at
least have their pick of rosters they can go to
which might help them make the roster and then have
a chance of getting to a second contract. So at
that point, you'd rather not be pigeonholed into one team
where it might not be as good of an opportunity
for you to make the roster.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But yeah, that happens a decent amount of time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Hey, by the way, how about your guy Todd Bowles?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Uh, you know, just really keeping this quarterback battle between
Trask and Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I mean it could go down to the wire here.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Ye, Look, I have no problem with there being a
quarterback competition in battle. Here's the issue, because we haven't
en gotten to the first preseason game yet, you only
have three now your starters, they're not going to play
the third, so you really have two to deal with,
Like are you really going to learn that much more
in the next two weeks between how Baker and how
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Kyle Trast play. I mean there is an element of
just go with where your gut is feeling and if
it doesn't work out, and you can change. Because the
problem is the further you get into training camp and
into the preseason. Now you've got a locker that's looking
around and like, well, who's the guy, Like who's going to.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Be our guy?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And you also have an offense that's not allowing itself
to work with the ones to develop that sort of chemistry.
And instead of giving either Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask
more of an opportunity to build that chemistry to be
the guy to be prepared for a week one, you're
really not preparing anyone. I think this is oftentimes a
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mistake that defensive minded head coaches make because they don't
understand the value of a quarterback and differentiate them the
way they should from.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
The rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Like to me, this is the age old tale of
if I was an owner or if I was a
general manager, that I was in charge of hiring a
head coach, why I wouldn't want to hire a defensive
mind a head coach is for this reason, because they
oftentimes make this mistake. They think that they can, Oh,
it's a competition, we need to Yeah, it is a competition,
but at some point the competition for a quarterback has
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to end sooner because that guy, whoever you deem him
to be all right. Between the two of these guys,
everyone in that locker room needs to know that that's
your guy, and everyone in the lockero needs to know
that that's the voice on the field, that's the voice
in the locker room that's different from you. He's an
extension of you in a way, but it's different from you.
And it's honestly more important because he's he's the one
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on the field actually playing, and so those guys have
to be able to listen to him, rally around him,
take his leadership. And if you go into it where
it's a gray area and you extend on this, you know,
this sort of quarterback competition issue where the offensive line
doesn't have a good feel for the cadence of the
quarterback and his calls. The receivers don't have a good
feel for the timing. That's all wrapped into the different
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you know, passing concepts and routes at his full work
and everything else. I mean, all those things play a factor,
and you're limiting those reps. So I always hate when
you see this sort of thing kind of bleed on
into the preseason. It's not like that staff doesn't have
a good idea of who they think is going to
be the starter or it was eventually gonna win this
thing out well.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Todd Bowles, a head coach of the Buccaneers, spoke yesterday
about what that plan will look like when it comes
to the preseason game the Baker mayfield Kyle's Trask battle,
the either or if you will when it comes to
the QB battle there as they get ready for the
Pittsburgh Steelers coming up on Friday.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Preseason goes who starts for the game be not at
this point, but you know, whoever starts this game, the
other one start the next game and get the same
amount of rep. So once we sit down and go
through that. On Thursday, we'll have a better decision. But
they both should expect to play.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And you won't have a second quarterback Friday play with
like the first line or the starters.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
Though if the starters play, we'll see, but the quarterbacks
will play.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Not confusing at all.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Well, and beyond that, like, so now you're gonna puw.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're gonna put either one of your potential starting quarterbacks
behind a second string offensive line.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
So maybe survival of the fittest. Maybe I've got this
all wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
He's just trying to see what's quarterback can make it
healthy of the Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Now, how can we take advantage of this? Gambling wise?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Take the under? Just take the total wins for the
Tampa Bay bab.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Okay, so we're going season wins. I was just thinking
about this preseason game. So the line as it stands
right now on DraftKings is a pick them, and then
the point total on this is thirty nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So let's go. Let's move it forward.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Season wins for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers based on whatever
the hell the plan is at quarterback. Let's go ahead,
what would be your guess on season wins right now?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Which six and a half?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
All right, So let's go ahead and we are calculating
the numbers here. This has nothing to do with slow
Wi Fi or anything like that at all. This is
a professionally run show, professionally operated. So let's go ahead,
and Brady Quinn, you are correct. Six and a half wins.
That is the over under here, with money seemingly coming
in on the under, which makes some.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Sense with minus one fifty.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Minus one forty forty.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I mean, look, if you're if you're looking at the
NFC South, I think there's two players that you feel
probably pretty good about, and that's the Saints and then Carolina.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
At least in my.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Opinion, Atlanta will see what they're able to do. They're
more competitive last year that people gave them credit. As
I said yesterday, the Bucks have a good roster. I
just don't know what the offense is going to look like.
I think Baker can play well within it. Defensively, did
they kind of hit their peak back when they won
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a Super Bowl. It just's a lot of question and
again this sort of decision making as you go into
the season in regards to your quarterbacks and the way
it sounds, at least to the outside, it doesn't allow
you to have much confidence and how this is going
to work once we get in season.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, it just reminds me of a story you told
me years ago about Lovey Smith and deciding between Rex Gross.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Oh my gosh, you remember that story I told you
about how he just he wouldn't even like make any
educated decision.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He just flip a coin.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, just flip.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
That's how they decided who would start. Just flip a coin.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't even find out what coin it was. Was
it a quarter, a nickel, and dime?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
It could have been a fifty cent piece with JFK
on the front. Back in the day, it could have
been one of those.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
It could have been a fifty cent piece.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's true, it could have been. But yeah, just the
old flip of the coin years and years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
For that Actually wasn't me who told you that that
was That was actually a story you would recamp every
single preseason of every year. So Sam, who get a
round of applause knock for being able to get in
once again a reference to Lovey Smith during his time
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears flipping a
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coin to determine who would start between Rex Grossman and
Cal Rdon.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Okay, hold ont a second.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
A couple of things here, a brand new audience, so
that that dog still hunts.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You know, I can bring that back and I'll recite no.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
One listening right now, who really is going to buy
into that?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
And I also feel like that was a slight misrepresentation
of me, that you would think that I would have
nothing else to offer a quarterback conversation in the preseason
except to play one of the classics, which was Lovey
Smith flipping a coin, which I could have sworn you
told me about years ago on the air.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now again, now, that story had no interest of me,
nor did I want to believe that actually is what
took place.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. A. By the way, what did you
think of my attempt at one of the middle Finger.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Video? So it's pretty good? Yeah, that's pretty good. I
saw a really good one earlier this morning.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
A guy was like filming the sand and it almost
looked like you're gonna see like a crab or something
come up from the sand.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
And he just pulls his arm up and flicks off
the kit. I was like, that got me. Didn't see
that coming.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Wait a second, Yeah, I said that that was yours.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Yes, Oh that was a pretty good one.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Damn it.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I don't think that was yours.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I swear to God I sent that.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
It wasn't It wasn't yours. It was a good one though.
The one you sent me, I think it came out
of a dump truck. That was the latest one. Was
the one that came out of a dump truck. I'm
almost positive, Like there's there's been so many that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And by the way, you one hundred percent did not
send the one the sand I sent you that.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think that's one hundred percent Trump looking at the
text mess exchange right now.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Oh come on, that's a misinformation. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
By the way, for the people listening on the iHeartRadio
app and Jalisco that means payaso. He just called me
a piasso. But again, and just a fun show all
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could see the return of a borderline Hall of Fame
(18:15):
quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh, this is got Brady Quinn written all over it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh yeah, the Motley Crue on a hump day.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Huh, love me some Motley Crue? Yeah? What do you
think partying with those guys is like back in the day.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I don't think you're gonna remember a lot of it,
you know?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Ah yeah, I mean listen sing it?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Sam?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, come on Sam? Oh Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
How's Lee doing today?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
By the way, he's good, you know, tiptop shape.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
How do you guys like he's not still in the crapper.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I started the show? Oh, get it all out of
the way.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Do you guys like Todd's technique in that photo I
sent you? Yeah? And flipping the burg out about that? Yeah?
I forgot too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Todd and Lee were hanging out by the pool and
Todd threw up a middle finger, but he did the
proper middle finger to where he everything was tucked in.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
He didn't have the thumb pointed out.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He didn't have anything hanging out. No, it wasn't sloppy.
I mean, I think that's what I'm acall from now on.
That's just a sloppy middle finger if you leave the
thumb out.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
By the way, Lee, what were you sipping on? What
were you guys drinking yesterday? What was the cocktail of choice?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Modello?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That is actually I think the number one beer in
America is get Loose. I get Loose.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I have a dear friend who, uh you know, works
in the alcohol industry in Ohio, and he told me
that give me that information.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah. I think he doesn't move more wine though.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But yeah, yeah, listen, I reached out and I got
the information that I needed.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So there was that.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
You're from the meat wagon, Yeka.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, Brady Quinn Jonas Knox with
the Here all right, So coming up later on this hour,
we are going to hand out some midweek awards. It's
another edition of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly,
and that'll be yours here again. We'll call it less
than twenty minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. So
Matt Ryan, who is now working for CBS, he will
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be a studio analyst this upcoming season. Matt Ryan was
talking with The Athletic recently and just sort of talking
about what his approaches to the upcoming year, potential comeback,
and also just what you know, his time in Indianapolis
was like, you know, seemed like everything went smoothly there,
and he said the following quote, I'm staying in shape.
I think it is kind of you know, my number,
(20:55):
you know where I'm at. If anything were to come up,
you know, we'll see. CBS is where my focus is now.
But we'll see how the season shakes out. And then
he also talked about his time in Indianapolis and referred
to the last eighteen months as quote a bleep show.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Oh come on, come on, I'll be saying that about
Jim Irsay's team.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, that did not go well.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
That went about as poorly as as anybody could possibly
have hoped for when it comes.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
To you know, what I love about that quote is,
you know, Matt Ryan, former MVP. I mean literally, if
not for an absolute collapse by them. He's a Super
Bowl winning quarterback and you're probably making a case for
him being in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yes, statistically speaking, the numbers are there. It's just a
matter of, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Other accolades that have to come along with it, Right,
that changed the perception.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Of you as a player.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But I say this all the time, and I think
it's because of how my career went. People are like, well, yeah,
but you know, sometimes I want to hear from someone else. Okay,
well there's Matt Ryan for you, Like, there's someone else
who will sit there and tell you when you go
to a bad situation circumstance doesn't matter if you're even
(22:10):
a former league MVP, you're going to have a really
hard time overcoming that situation circumstance. And I'm talking like
bad ownership, bad coaching, bad general manager. There are teams
that just constantly find themselves in that position because they
are poorly run, and it's top down.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
If we want to be real about the organizations that
are competitive year in and year out, it's because they
have owners who understand how to be competitive year in
and year out, and they're willing to invest those resources
in being competitive, and they're willing to invest the resources
and building an organization that helps them maintain that consistent
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competitive nature. There's others that are just an organization. They're
just trying to make a profit. They're trying to have
some fun while doing it. It's cool for their owner
because their owner has made a billion dollars doing something
else and now they have a sports franchise. That's how
it works, and it's unfortunate because players, careers and reputations
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get put in the way of that. Now that being said,
that being said, did you watch the Johnny Football documentary?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I want to watch it, though, I gotta watch that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I saw about I don't know, ten to fifteen minutes.
What bothered me the most about that is that as
an example of a player, he got drafted into a
bad organization, but yet didn't do anything to try to
make it better. And even like there it's him and
his agent are like admitting that he didn't watch any film.
(23:44):
I'm like, why do you want people to feel bad
for you then for the different issues that you face
when you're openly admitting you didn't put in any work
to it, You didn't even attempt to be a professional
athlete and prepare for your job, and yet you were
being paid million. Why is that a laughing, entertaining point
(24:05):
or moment in any docu series. It's like, like, That's
what I don't understand is there might be people who
are a huge Johnny football fan, Johnny Manziel fans, and
that's great if you're a big fan of in from
Texas and m or just his persona and who he
is off the field. The reality is he took up
someone's draft pick and didn't even attempt to prepare.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
To be a professional quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
If I'm a Browns fan, if I'm even a Johnny
Manziel fan, I'm kind of like, come on, dude, you
had a shot at this and you didn't like, you
didn't try, you didn't watch any film, you didn't prepare.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
How about the fact that Jerry Jones had to be
talked into not taking Johnny Manziel and instead took Zach
Martin kind of begrudgingly because it was Stephen Jones and
that word.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
We drafted a Hall of Famer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
You know, I mean a credentials up there with like
great great offensive lineman in the history of the NFL
thus far. But okay, you know that's that's Jerry Jones
for you. It's yeah, Manzell has always struck me as
never really been totally accountable, and even when he was,
it was just kind of like yeah, whatever, Like it
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just I can't I don't know how. I know he
comes from money, Like I don't know how's he still
making it? Like I don't Is it just like is
that oil money just different than everything else?
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Because that was well, first of all, you won the Heisman.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I mean there's gonna be opportunities and things they always
come along with that the rest of his life.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I mean, no one can take away.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
What he was able to accomplish and what he was
able to build as far as a brand, you know,
during his time in college and even to a degree
into the NFL. Now that comes with its limits. But
and again I don't know about the whole backstory. I've
always read or heard he came from money, but you know,
he the success he had in college will always stay
with him.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just I feel like when you do a docu
series like this and you're talking about you know, not
watching film, not doing the things that you were your job,
like I always just look at it and say, well,
you're you're You've got a lot of responsibility as a
quarterback of a franchise, and like, things didn't work out
for me there in Cleveland, but I would have it
wasn't from a lack of effort. It wasn't from a
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lack of watching film, a lack of preparing myself physically,
mentally and all that stuff. You know, maybe I just
wasn't as talented as I needed to be given the
circumstance around me. Maybe with some of the things that
were you know, I was dealing with in regards to,
you know, a coach that got brought in after I
was drafted, you know, and once you battle that where
you don't have a coach that's actually wanting you to
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be as guy, it becomes pretty hard to be the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
And so there's so many there's so many little things
that add.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Up to that that you just go like, yeah, I
could see how he'd be, you know, how things could
not work out there for him in Cleveland. But if
you're not even putting the work to be the quarterback
and try to be the guy, that's the most alarming
part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
All that was one thing that I'll get my parents.
I always give them credit for because they take me
the one thing you absolutely cannot be if you want
to be in our house, if you want to represent our.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Family, can't be lazy.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Can't be lazy like that was their thing.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I look at it and I go I could
not live with myself if I walked away from a
career like Johnny Manziel and can't say to people, I
did everything.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Within my power to try and make it work. It
just didn't work.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
If I know I gave it my all, then I
can walk away and at least say, listen, it just
didn't work out. It wasn't meant to be. But I know,
at least on my end, the effort was there. The
fact that he's got to walk away and acknowledge for
the rest of his life I didn't do enough and
that opportunity's gone and he's never going to get it back.
I don't know about you. I couldn't live with myself Conn.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
It'd be impossible to have those sort of regrets for
a once in a lifetime opportunity or for someone it
was like for me, it was a dream dude like
I drew up.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I grew up with a Brown's poster in my bedroom
from the time I can remember, maybe four or five
years old that said Brown's Welcome Brady Quinn. And so
when that moment happened, like it was a dream come true.
And and I think the probably the one thing I
fault myself for more than anything else, was like putting
too much pressure on what it meant to me, to
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my family, to my friends, to everyone else. And it
was like, at some point not to not to take
away from the importance of the task at hand, but
you have to kind of be like, dude, you just
gotta go out there and play football. Stop worrying about
the weight of everyone else that you're you're thinking of,
or you want to make proud or what like.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
At some point, you just have to go out there
and play.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like those things can't consume you, and they can't, you know,
distract you from just going out and playing free and
playing the way you're capable of. But it takes a
while to kind of learn that. You know, for for
Johnny Ops, he could play free, but it's like there's
a there's a certain element of responsibility where like I
could not imagine how he would felt would feel going
into games. I always felt so prepared from what I'd watched,
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and if there was a little anxiety, it was probably
from like, well, you know, it's the NFL.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That might be a little wrinkle this week, right, So
you're waiting for that third down, you're waiting for that pressure,
that blitz, something that you didn't see or haven't prepared
for because they haven't shown it yet, and they're gonna
throw it.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They're gonna throw a little wrinkle in there from.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Time to time, and oftentimes it never even end up.
You know, it never came like you were chasing ghosts.
Sometimes when you'd look for like three years back on film,
where hey do you remember when he did this though
when it was a fourth down the game was on
the line, this is what they went to. You'd be
like sitting in hours in a film room talking about it,
and you'd have it on your game plan. You'd write down, like, hey,
(29:37):
this is what they did back in you know, two
thousand and five, like before you were watching film as
a rookie, before you even got in this is what
they did in this in this playoff scenario and you'd
be running this stuff down and then you'd be almost
waiting for it to happen in the game that doesn't happen,
you're like, sh all right, well move on to the
next and.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Every week you're doing that.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
But like, I could only imagine what.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
It felt like to be a player who didn't watch
any film before a game of your opponent.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That would give me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, that's like the definition of like, yolo, whatever, man,
let's just go out there and wing it. Let's see
how this thing goes. Like I just I could not
operate that way. I couldn't do this radio show with
you that way.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, I've heard I've heard people say that you don't
get paid to play, you get you get paid to
prep and to practice. Like that's how some players, you like,
psychology wise, Like I I earn my money in preparing
and getting ready for the game, and then the game
is the fun part. But it's it's the grind, it's
(30:41):
the preparation. All of that stuff is where you really
earn your money. The fact that there was none of
that and he just said we'll figure it out on
the field, It's like, all right, okay, dude, Yeah, that's
a that's a wild one. But hey, he was damn
fun to watch in college.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
God, he was fine, he was he was a ton
of fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I think now you go back and the hard thing
is is, you know people kind of wander. I don't
want to say cover up for them, but no one
wanted to tell the whole truth, right Because I think
about it, when you're a college coach, as much as
you want to have integrity to the scouts and coaches
and people who are asking about that player, you also
know that it's a recruiting tool for you.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Johnny Manziel goes in the first round.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Guess what I'm telling every quarterback afterwards, Hey he come
be him, come wing a heisman, Come be in the
first round. Like, that's a recruiting tool. So you don't
want to tell. You don't want to say, like, hey,
he's not watching film.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
They got they got a brand new facility at Texas
A and m Kevin someone got a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Like a lot of people benefited from his short time
at Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, dude, that's a resume builder. Like Kevin Someone's gonna
have on his resume forever. You know, as far as
what he did during his time with that, and and
and so there's there's all those things that people don't
want to let the truth get out. And nowadays the
funny thing is the iPads, right, Like everyone knows that
old JaMarcus Russell story from his time with the Raiders
when they, you know, they give him a DVD and
(32:00):
they say, hey, come, you know, let us know what
the concepts and stuff you like on this and they
ask him the next day, you know, what he liked
about it.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
And he's like, oh, yeah, like all of it, like
all of it. And then of course you know, he
didn't watch anything. There was a blank tape. They didn't
put anything on it, right.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And the funny thing is now they have iPads, right,
and so if you're at home, they can track the usage.
They know if you haven't watched a damn thing. I mean,
it used to be different back in our day, where
like you would have a computer, you'd go get loaded
up with film. You'd go back to your house and
you'd plug it in, like I literally had a film room,
and so you'd sit there with the cowboy remote like
(32:34):
you did in meetings and if you weren't in the
quarterback room watching it. You'd be at home watching it
and you'd be you know, texting your coach or you know,
back then sometimes email and you'd be talking about different concepts,
ideas or asking questions about stuff. And so now they
can just track you on the iPad and they know
if you haven't even logged in and you haven't done
any of the work. So it's just it's funny to me,
(32:56):
like how much it's changed. But at the same time,
you still have to put in the work. And it's
crazy that.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
He didn't watch anything, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
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and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
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Speaker 3 (35:44):
All right, lead to lab who's got what this week?
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Well, you know it's a good week when Brady's given
the good.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Brady, yeah, good this week?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
All right, Honestly, it's better than good. It's hall of
fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's my guy, Joe Thomas going into the Hall of
Fame this past weekend for the Cleveland Browns being immortalized
with that beautiful bust. You know, he was a lot
of people don't know this, but my first interaction with
Joe was actually in a high.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
School American game.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
And I tell people all the time, anyone who asked
me about him as a player, I'm like, you could
see it back then.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
I mean, he was big, he had the frame, the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Way he moved, his technique, his demeanor, just how he
approached the game. I mean, you just knew he was
like a prodigy, like a Doogie Howser of offensive tackles.
And obviously when I got drafted there with him, I
knew a lot about him, just you know, from that standpoint,
both being prospects but incredibly thankful just for the opportunity
to play alongside him. He's a tremendous teammate, a wonderful man,
(36:51):
a wonderful dad, and so it was really really cool
to see him honored as he should have been for
being the iron Man in the NFLS.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
So that that's my good for the week.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
One of the most difficult positions in football, And I
was thinking about this over the weekend. What must it
have been like as a quarterback, just knowing, Oh yeah,
I don't have to.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Worry about that. Yeah, yeah, you're good.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
That's one last thing I have to worry about, and
it's the most important position maybe on the field for
tver thousand.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Three and sixty three concricutive staffs.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Incredible.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Yeah, well, guys, you can't have good without the bad.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Jonas, what was bad this week?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All my ankles, My ankles are destroyed and it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I've got mosquito bites that are so bad.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
There's there's like you guys can have mosquitos out there.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
No, my god, it's awful.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
There's like like there's fluid coming out of one of them,
like it's it's really gross. My wife keeps telling me,
go see a doctor, Go see a doctor, but you
know me, Midwest built, please doctor, my ass deal with
it and hopefully there's no infection that occurs.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
But yeah, that's my bad for the week.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
It's not looking good from a calf down and there's
not a lot of calf there to begin with.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
So all right, Lee, what do we got?
Speaker 9 (38:01):
Well, no one better to give the ugly than yours, truly,
and the ugly this week is the worst World Cup
finish ever for the US women's national team.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Sorry, guys, eliminated by Sweden.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Rapino unable to get her shot on gold or in
the penalty shootout. Tough break for USA fans everywhere.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
You're not wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Don't don't be critical. You'll upset people.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Yeah, people get mad at you.
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