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Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar called it; the Commanders snapped the Ravens 24-game win streak in the preseason. Jonathan Taylor is granted permission to seek a trade and Antonio Brown faces arrest on “ICYMI.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Tuesday edition, we're gonna look back at maybe the
biggest preseason game in the history of the NFL. Well
not really, but it would depend on who you ask.
We'll get into that. Plus, we're going to talk about
a trade request that apparently is going to go through
the Indianapolis Colts. Look at that, Jim Mersey finally listening
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that Jonathan Taylor doesn't want to be a part of
the organization anymore. We're gonna get to the very latest
on the Jim Harbaugh drama. Albert Brear is gonna stop by.
We're going to talk about the rebirth of trading cards
as well too. Plus we've got another edition of In
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
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Mister tried to tell everybody this little streak, this gimmicky
little preseason streak that the Baltimore Ravens are rolling out
here that they're so proud of, and everybody gets so
excited about it was in jeopardy because of your former team,
the Washington Commandos, how bad at LeVar Arrington. The streak
is over.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't call them commandos so much anymore though, right,
not since the sale. I thought we said once they
sold that we'd have to start really kind of thinking
about calling them something other than the Commandos.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So we just got to go with the same old,
boring commander stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean, it wouldn't be boring for us to call
them that because we've never called them that, Okay, But
I mean I was just curious as to what our
approach will be because I think we did mention that
once they sold from little Danny's hands his little fingers
like little Finger from Game of Thrones, that we would
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start actually offering the real name.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, anyway, they offered their real name and their real
brand in that game last night.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right, Okay? Was that not a fun game to watch?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, if you know, I know, people love to
embellish saying the best ever, the greatest ever? Can you
believe that? But that really was Maybe that's got to
be one of the highest ranking, dopest preseason games, yes,
in history.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Just you could tell there was. There was a different
vibe to it all the way throughout.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Because it matters. Yeah, you know, them dudes, Them dudes
talk to the same girls. They got the same type
of friends, you know, people they hang out with. You know, Baltimore,
Baltimore Ravens players hang in d C. You know, they
they do the night the night scene more so in
d C than they do in Baltimore. You know, there's
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probably a ton more Baltimore Ravens fans than people would
imagine in the DMV just because of how deteriorated the
fan base of the Washington Commander's team is.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you think the split is fans?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I don't know because it used to be a ton
of Dallas fans, So I'm sure there's more Dallas fans.
I'm sure there's more Ravens fans, and there have been
less and less and less Commander's fans, so I don't
know what the ratio would be. There's still a tremendously
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large contingent of of of Commander's fans.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Would you say sixty percent Commanders, forty percent Ravens, twenty
percent Cowboys or that doesn't make sense, ten percent Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't think it makes it. I wouldn't y intent.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Excuse me, my mass off today thirty and ten, but
majority of that would be Commander fans, and then you've
got sprinkling that the extra thirty for the Ravens, and
then you got your ten percent Cowboy fans, which.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm not I'm not going to say that's for certain either,
because there's a lot of transient you know, residents to
to the district, to northern Virginia. There there are a
lot of belongers as well in Virginia and in parts
of Maryland, and generally speaking, like parts of DC, like
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d C people really really they're they're they're generally real,
stone cold about it. Like real d C people will
not not bang with with Baltimore Ravens because d C,
a d C thing does not mix with a Baltimore thing.
That that's not a mix, right, So, so true d
C ors or true PG countiers, Uh, you generally will
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not ever see them be a Ravens fan because that's
not d m V.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like how far Away is like the Washing.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's a beltways.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's a battle of what they say, Battle of ninety five,
you know, it's it's a Beltway battle, right, So so
coming into the game, people, I understand it is a rivalry.
You know, they don't the Ravens and the the Commanders don't.
They don't like each other. Like, that's not they don't,
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you know, the Ravens and in my head, I may
have created this, but the Ravens think they're better, and
in recent history they are better, right, they are better,
not not not in history not better all right, so
let's not go there.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But they they are better.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Than, you know, than Washington and and what since the
since they've come come come in pretty yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Since the Ravens have been in existence, they've been a
better franchise than Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but historically speaking, they are not because
they don't have enough history to be better.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But with that being said, you're you're also talking about,
like I said, you're fighting for for fan base market share.
These two coaches, they are familiar with one another. If
people put it together, you know, Ron and and Harball
were on the same coaching staff at one point in
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time when you know where Ron was linebackers coach and
Harball was a special teams coach in Philly. So they're
familiar with one another and know one another from from
being on the same coaching staff. It's just there were
To me, there were like great storylines of why the
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game mattered. You got two new OC's that were in
the game. And I think Eric b enemy more so
than than Baltimore. I think I think Washington was really
trying to establish their offense and and try They're they're
working to forge a culture in Washington that has never
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been there. So it's like trying to get a muscle
firing that's had atrophy for over a quarter of a century.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And look, Sam Howell looked pretty good when he was
in the game, so he played pretty good quarterback for them.
You could tell like yet an offensive lineman for Washington.
Sam Cosme, I believe, who came out and you know,
called the streak stupid and said they were going to
beat it as well too, So he was on the
LeVar train yesterday saying this streak was in trouble for
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the Baltimore Ravens. But what was interesting is that John
Harbaugh afterwards, who looked to be the most stressed I've
ever seen a coach during the preseason game, a little
bit fired up. John Harvey had a little bit of
a red ass. And you know, maybe it could have
something to do with the fact that it was kind
of a busy day for the Harbaugh family. But we'll
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get into that other story later on. But here was
the Ravens head coach talking about post streak last night.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Something like that, and I just told our guys, you're
proud of it. Of course, you know you appreciate it.
But the thing that you're proud of is all those
games are mostly just like that, you know, preseason games
that people want to write write about. Some of you
in here want to write about and say they don't
mean anything because you never played the game. You never
were out there in a preseason game, you never were
fighting for a spot on the team. And yet you
have the audacity to say that the effort that somebody
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puts into that to win and fight and win a
game like that is meaningless. Tell me I was meaningless
out there. What you just saw. If you like football,
is that a meaningless football game? You know, I can't
respect anybody that says that because the effort these guys
put into it, that's what's such. You're proud of me,
That's that's why I'm so proud of these guys for
the way they fought. It doesn't matter win or loss,
it matters.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It matters the.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Way they the way they went about their business tonight,
and I'm proud of them for that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Always will be there.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, he's right, he's right about what he's saying.
But I mean he was taking a dig at somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I mean, I like the you that you didn't play
the game, pulling that from the bottom of the deck.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He was finger pointing. It was finger pointing, and you know,
it happens. You know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And good for him, you know, good for him for
kind of taking the stance that he did, just just
for the simple fact that he is right. I mean,
the people that are saying the games don't mean anything,
they're right too. I mean, for what it's worth, I
don't think one has to be right for the other,
or one has to be wrong for the other to
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be right. These games don't mean anything, you know. That's
that's why they're called preseason games. It's really no different
than being a scrimmage game. Now you can say a
scrimmage matters, because they do matter. In development terms, they matter,
but in terms of you know, statistical categories. I never
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heard of anyone making the Hall of Fame because they were,
you know, undefeated as a player in preseason.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So, in the grand scheme of things like whether you
like it or not, coach, preseason games do not matter
in a lot of regards, so you know, But but
a guy's effort in trying to make a team, it
does matter. A guy trying to impact the game, it
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does matter. It matters because more often than not, it's
it's them showcasing their talents with with the idea and
understanding that it's probably most likely for another another team.
I've seen guys have phenomenal and I mean absolutely amazing,
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brilliant preseasons and still end up cut, like cut, like
clearly better than the guys in front of them.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, didn't Wes Welker get cut? I mean one
of the like he was going bro.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
There is such a long laundry list of players that
you could look up and see that are now and
some of them are resting in the Hall of Fame
and Canton. Some are on their way to Canton. And
they were cut, you know, they were let go and
they were better. But that's the economics of the business.
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You're not always getting the best players, you're getting the
most financially financially strapped or financially obligated to those are
the ones that are going to remain on a roster.
And so more often than not, and people you know
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point this out quite a bit, is that you have
two three openings on a fifty what is it, fifty
five now fifty five man roster. There you go. You
have very very limited spots. There's the practice squad. Generally,
practice squad guys will either get grabbed up or the
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team will have to sign them to a contract so
another team can't take them. There's just so many different
things that can play out during during preseason and post preseason.
And so to say that it doesn't matter is a
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bit that's a bit detached. Yeah, you haven't played, like
I would say, even if you played the game and
said that it didn't matter, maybe you have had a
different set of circumstances than other guys.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And also just from the standpoint that a lot of
guys you saw last night, that's it for them, like
and that happens every single preseason game, especially this stage
in the preseason, to where that'll be the closest they
ever get to being not only just on an NFL
field late in the game that's important on national television
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like that was last night on Monday Night Football, but
just on an NFL field period, and we can dismiss
it and say, well, it's just the preseason and whatnot.
And that's something you're gonna be able to tell your
loved ones about, like, Hey, I played in an NFL game.
Don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I was on Monday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I was.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I was in a game late that mattered. And I
may not have reached a regular season or played, you know,
another down or another snap, but the fact that these
guys are getting that opportunity. That's why I've always been
a fan of the preseason. And when they were talking
about eliminating it altogether, I still think there's a place
for it. And I think that was also John Harba's point.
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There's a place for this. It matters, a.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Place for it. No, it does matter, and there is
a place for it, and it is what it is.
Quite frankly, it doesn't go any further than what it is, though,
just be clear on that it is what it is.
It serves its purpose for you to get your entertainment.
It serves purpose for guys to have an opportunity to
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get good film. It serves the purpose for a guy
that had an opportunity to make a roster I would
say it's very little that it serves the experience because
it's such a stressful time, right You're trying to solidify
a job and you know you're fighting the odds. So
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unless you're one of those other guys that know they
pretty much have a roster spot, there's some surprises here
and there. You'll see a guy get cut that you
didn't expect or think was going to get cut, and
they got cut and they put somebody else on it.
Like that definitely does happen, but it's very rare. But
the preseason does serve its purpose. That's why it's been
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such a major part of the game. It gives a
team opportunity to work out, the work off the rust
of the off season and really really push and move
towards what they going to be heading into game condition
for the regular season to hit. So it plays its part.
But it was all in all, that was a great
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game last night. Yeah, you don't want to, Like I said,
you don't want to throw great around too easily or
anything like that. But it was a great game, and
it you know, it was nice to watch. It was
fun to watch, you know, Eric b Enemy was operating
the way he was calling the offenses. They did all right.
The Ravens did did alright. And it should be noted
that no starters at all pretty much played for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But the whole idea of boasting about preseason undefeated is
basically everyone giving the Baltimore Ravens credit for how much
talent they have and how deep they are in talented players.
And that's why they win because they're they're they're the
guys that they bring in are so much better at
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at the number two and number three positions of the
team that they generally win all of their preseas.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, I gotta say this, Brady has been beloviating
about Zay Flowers.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For a couple of runs.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He looks good, man, he looks fantastic.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Pretty elusive dude.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
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In case you missed it, We've got would You Rather?
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catch up with Albert Breer coming up next hour. We're
going to get the very latest on some of these
storylines in the National Football League, like the one we're
about to talk about next, which involves one of the
better players at his position who apparently finally had his
voice heard. We'll explain why that is coming up next
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here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up in
we'll call it twenty minutes from now. From the tire
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come out of the NFL involving a future Hall of
Famer and something he's a fan of. So we will
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get into that for you again coming up a little
over twenty minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. So,
LaVar Arrington, we were wondering, God, how's this sole thing
with Jonathan Taylor and Jimmy bigmouth Jim Mersey gonna shape
up for the Indianapolis Colts. And yeah, we're gonna go
ahead and reach the conclusion here pretty soon because the
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Indianapolis Colts have given Jonathan Taylor permission to seek a trade. This,
of course after there had been speculation about them not
wanting to trade Jonathan Taylor and all the other stuff
that came along with it. Jim irsay Most famously pulled
up to a golf cart at training camp and said,
I could die tomorrow, Jonathan Taylor could be out of
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the league. Nobody would care. And so Jonathan Taylor, who
was seeking a contract from the Indianapolis Colts, says he's
going to make about four million dollars in change in
the final.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Year of his deal.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
They've said they're not going to be any contract extension.
Apparently they've finally gotten the hint Jonathan Taylor doesn't want
to be a part of this organization anymore, and so
they are working to facilitate.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Jonathan Taylor get the hint that they didn't want him
to be a part of the organization anymore as well.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe it was a dual memo.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think this whole thing got sideways the second Jim
Mersay made those comments.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Because I think Jonathan Taylor and you guys have talked
about just Tim being a stand up guy, and he's
always had a great reputation going all the way back
to college at Wisconsin and being in the Big Ten.
And I think that Jonathan Taylor would have been okay
coming back and playing and then we worry about the
contract after the year. The second Ursay made the comment
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he did about Jonathan Taylor could be out of the
league and nobody would care the league moves on, I
think he took that personally, and I think that was
a wrap. I don't think. I think this became more
of a personal conflict and then a financial one for
Jonathan Taylor, and I think that's where this whole thing
got sideways. Your guy, Jim Mersy, old Jimmy big mouth,
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got the gout of the liquor cabinet one too many
times this offseason. Apparently.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Here's where I this is what makes this uh of
of an interesting topic of conversation because there are there
are rules to the game, right, there are rules to
how you conduct business. And it's interesting because one of
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the things that is not prominent in terms of high
school or college football. I'll say, I won't say every
sport because some sports may be different. I don't I
don't want to make a judgment and be ignorant about it.
But the players aren't taught business. They're not Business is
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not discussed in a way where you're prepared for the
emotions or the lack thereof you should have when engaging
in business. Like it's always going to be business over feelings.
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And so when feelings get involved, feelings can can interrupt
and can disrupt and can destroy results in business. Now,
sometimes it can go the other way. Sometimes times feelings
can actually yield positive results. It's not always a bad thing.
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It's just a dangerous thing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
The the interesting, the interesting dynamic when you talk about
you have to remove feelings from from business is that
football is all about feelings, right, like you're trained to
be in the moment you're trained to you know, feel
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your teammates and feel your your coaches, and feel that energy,
and feel the hard work and embrace the challenges and
work together to a common goal. Like everything is about teamwork,
the ultimate team sport. Work together to get it done.
It's a common goal, it's a common bond, one heart,
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one mind. You know, there's so many things that you
are trained and you are taught. You become very dependent
on the culture of football because everything is there. You're sick,
you come here, you got a toothache, You come here,
you got girl problems, you come here, you got whatever
it is. You still come to the football facility and
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whatever the solution is going to be, that solution is
going to resonate from there. So it's almost like the
education of a football player is to be totally dependent
upon your football team and your football community and then
only to in some cases have it stripped away from
you and ripped from under you, and and it's like
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an unsuspecting result. It's it's when you should be expecting it,
or you should be handling things in a business manner.
Fans get mad at you when you when you do
business as a player, fans get mad, you know, people
get mad. Oh they're they're they're worried about the wrong
things or this, that and the other, all these different
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things that they say about the player, but they never
say it about the organization. They never say it about
the team. And that has always existed. The players are judged,
but the franchise doesn't get judged. It's just business. When
it comes down to the franchise, it's just business. But
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when it's the player, the players should have showed this
undying loyalty towards their team, towards the franchise, towards everything
that's going on, and so you get upset with them.
Now it might not be that way so much anymore.
The way things are, you know, have I guess kind
of evolved based upon like fantasy football and stuff like that.
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It's kind of decentralized and in a lot of ways,
it's desensitized the fan bases to having really fierce loyales
like like days of old. But nonetheless, Jonas, you're you're
talking about guys who have been classically set up for failure,
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and this is one of those moments where you're seeing
it play out Jim Irsay should have never said that,
whether it true or not, which he that it is
true what he said, But whether true or not, he
has an obligation to be more responsible than that of
a better steward, so to speak over the flock that
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that he has ownership of within his organization. If if
your employees do not have a collective belief in the
value of what you bring to the table as an owner,
there's no there should be no secret or surprise as
to why business in terms of if it's the business
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of winning isn't taking place.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And in Diannapolis, if it feels like and you could
be the biggest Jim Irsay fan. And I like Jim
Mersay and Jim Mersey has been a part of some
good things in this league and and he's good for
the NFL and and he says funny stuff and all that,
and you know, but he cares about his football team
and nobody can deny that he definitely cares about his team.
I mean, he also cares about Wales. But you know
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that that she gone, so he's got he's got to
get focused on the season now. But like you can
be the biggest Ersay fan, you can be a Colts
kiss ass all you want. There's a lot of bad,
embarrassing moments that have taken place with the organization over
the past couple of years, and I feel like it's
in large part because of Jim Mersay and this is
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one of them. The Jeff Saturday fiasco that was Ersa's
fingerprints all over that that was his idea, the way
Frank Wright was jettison the revolving door quarterback, and I
get it. Andrew Luck retired on the on the on
the sideline in a preseason game, and Philip Rivers decided
he didn't want to come back. But you know, you
you could not get rid of Carson Wentz fast enough,
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and then you brought in Matt Ryan, and you couldn't
get rid of Matt Ryan fast enough, and then you
couldn't get rid of Frank Reich fast enough, and then
you wanted Jeff Saturday to be your guy, and you
could go all the way back to Ryan Grigson, who was,
you know, some guy that he used to lift weights with,
which is why he got the job as a GM
back in the day. It just it feels like there's
a lot of spur of the moment. Maybe he doesn't
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really think things through, just kind of shoots his mouth
off or makes a decision then afterwards disconnected. Yeah, it's
like you've got to You've got a rookie quarterback who's
a raw talent by anybody's estimation. This look they look
at at you know, Anthony Richardson and go, hey man,
he's got all the tools in the world. It's being
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definitely going to take time. He's not as polished as c. J.
Stroud or as Bryce Young or these guys. Wouldn't you know,
at all pro level running back being in the backfield
kind of help his developmental little bit. I don't know,
it seems like that would be a move that you'd
want to make sure that that was part of your
organization and a position that was part of your organization
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to get your rookie quarterback ready to go. And URSA
is just like now whatever, I mean all, uh, you know,
I could die tomorrow and uh, Jonathan Taylor could be
out of the league, and you know, the league moves on.
But by the way, please donate to my charity because
we got shamou who can't breathe out of one, you know,
testicle and we're trying to save his life, like whatever.
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Like the whole thing's just weird and and you got
the court.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's a manner in which it's approached is what makes it.
Nobody's going to have an issue with you doing what's
best for your team, but you can you can have
a manner and an approach that shows that you care,
you know that that you matter, and and that to
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me is what breeds a culture and an environment that
is able to find that balance within the business because
the business is there. And then as you start to
learn about business and understand it as an adult that
you're thrust it into after all these years of doing it,
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and the business was always there. You know, high schools
generate money off of their football programs they do, and
it's a business. It's interesting because that money has to
literally go back into the program for you to be
able to have the sport in order for it to
(29:34):
kind of survive. So it's a different set of circumstances
surrounding the business, but nonetheless still a business. Money is
being generated, you know, there's commerce involved. Then it goes
into big business, big big, big business at the next level.
If you go to college and then it goes into big, big,
big business if you make it to the pros and
(29:58):
you're ill prepared for the business of it. And so
when someone makes the business front and center like ers did,
and they do it in a uh, just a total
dis just.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You know, just you're unimportant.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like it's just disregard, total total disregard to the player
as a person. His like that calls into that calls
into a lot of ways, whether he knew it or not,
or whether he meant it that way or not. It
calls your value into question. Yeah, and you never want like, oh, well,
(30:42):
he's talking about it in terms of it being a player, right,
Like he didn't say as a person, no one would care.
But as a player, you you take it as as
a person, no one cares, right, So you just devalued
me as a man.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Players heard that?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, what that's and that's why I'm telling you all
of these little things that you hear, all of these
things that these players experience and that they go through.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You're you're actually creating a culture.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And that culture says that if he can do it
to Jonathan Taylor, who is one of our best players,
a franchise guy, he could do.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It to any of us.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
And so now that harsh reality of the disregard that
he showed towards Jonathan Taylor in the moment of when
he wanted a contract and he wanted to to you know,
exercise seeing what his value was.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
This is how you're going to handle it. Then you're
going to handle it like that with me.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And so now you detach from having any type of
real personal ownership over the organization. You're not you're not
going to do anything more than what you would do
unless you're doing it for yourself, unless you're doing it
for your teammates. So to me, there's a lot, there's
a lot to it, and it's unfortunate, but it's you know,
(32:14):
guys are ill prepared to be pros and handle business
and then things like this happen and then you see
fallouts take place. I thought Jim Mersey missed on this one,
and he's going to have to do some cleaning up
to make sure that he preserves what it is that
he has in his locker room or to help create,
(32:34):
you know, a better environment for winning in that locker room,
because they clearly have not been successful in.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The winning at at Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1 (35:05):
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Speaker 8 (35:06):
You might guess that Bill Belichick is admittedly a that's right,
that's right. He's a fan of the boss. But he
has admitted on the Greg Hill Show this week that
he had hit up Jellette Stadium to check out Taylor
Swift and these were his comments on Taylor.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That was pretty impressive. She's tough and then she just
stood up there and played right through it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So are you officially you consider yourself to officially be
a swiftye.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, officially, I don't know about that, But I don't
know what.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Officially is playing through it, meaning that she had played
the concert through a rainstorm. So big fan of Taylor
Swift and the toughness there. Bill Belichick is a swifty
you could say, you call whatever he wants. That guy's
a swiftye.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I mean that was flirting, is what that was. Oh
you think so acknowledgement.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
You think.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He's older. He ain't dead, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I think Belichick's given Taylor Swift his fastball? There is
that what you think?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I mean, I don't know that he was giving her fastball.
I think he was definitely admiring from afar why not.
I mean, coaches have eyes too, you know. I think
I think urban Meyer put us up on a little.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Bit of game on that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You know, it's a great call.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, coaches, coaches would be okay with Taylor Swift singing
to them like wow, you know, maybe on their lap
or you know, in front of them.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, whatever, you know. I mean, you know, I'm just saying.
I mean, coaches have feelings too.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
To defend here, It's like the guy can't sit on
a bar school and have a cocktail with that gid and.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Have a conversation with friends friends, and.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
He's getting harassed, you know, like, I'm I'm team Urban there.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I see to me he had there were some loose
flies in the restaurant, and and what people just didn't
know is that that young lady that was seemingly looking
like she was country tworking.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, country twirking.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, you know, she was trying to get the fly
the insects away from urban like that was that was
the way you get the flies away.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Great call, you know, yeah, why dance they called it?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What else were you got, guys?
Speaker 8 (37:25):
According to TMZ, Florida law enforcement has been instructured by
a judge to take action against Antonio Brown for missing
yet another child support payment fifteen thousand dollars. So he
has been They've been instructed to arrest Antonio Brown unless
he pays the fifteen thousand dollars plus another five thousand
dollars in attorney fees.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I just.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
This guy.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They can arrest him over not having the attorney's fees
paid too.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Wow, I mean, good luck with this. They can do
whatever they want. We saw this worked out the last
time he went.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That's a judgment. That's judgment.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Yes, there was also an earlier judgment earlier in the
year for missing a thirty thousand dollars payment, but he
was able to take care of that before legal actions.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, he just took it out of the those arena
league guys is way out.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
So does he have money or no? Like his money's
all gone now I don't know like this this this
short after leaving the game.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
That's a big child support payment.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I thought fifteen thousand has a less a lot of money, man,
I thought for sure, But is that a payment or
is that like I thought it'd be over a period
of time.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I thought his hip hop career was going to take
off for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
This is been the booming.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, the booming for if you as baby Mama and
you could get that support payment, that's been the boom
in fifteen g'sh what are these court systems doing?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But if we learned it, if we've learned any lesson,
this guy's just gonna crawl and dig a tunnel under
his house and hide this thing out and everything will
be fun.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
For two weeks. You're saying, he'll be downstairs. Listen to
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
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Mister tried to tell everybody this little streak, this gimmicky
little preseason streak that the Baltimore Ravens are rolling out
here that they're so proud of, and everybody gets so
excited about it was in jeopardy because of your former team,
the Washington Commandos, how bad at LeVar Arrington. The streak
is over.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't call them commandos so much anymore though, right,
not since the sale. I thought we said once they
sold that we'd have to start really kind of thinking
about calling them something other than the Commandos.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So we just got to go with the same old,
boring commander stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean, it wouldn't be boring for us to call
them that because we've never called them that, Okay, But
I mean I was just curious as to what our
approach will be because I think we did mention that
once they sold from little Danny's hands his little fingers
like little Finger from Game of Thrones, that we would
(02:52):
start actually offering the real name.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Well, anyway, they offered their real name and their real
brand in that game last night.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right, Okay? Was that not a fun game to watch?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, if you know, I know, people love to
embellish saying the best ever, the greatest ever? Can you
believe that? But that really was Maybe that's got to
be one of the highest ranking, dopest preseason games, yes,
in history.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Just you could tell there was. There was a different
vibe to it all the way throughout.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Because it matters. Yeah, you know, them dudes, Them dudes
talk to the same girls. They got the same type
of friends, you know, people they hang out with. You know, Baltimore,
Baltimore Ravens players hang in d C. You know, they
they do the night the night scene more so in
d C than they do in Baltimore. You know, there's
(03:49):
probably a ton more Baltimore Ravens fans than people would
imagine in the DMV just because of how deteriorated the
fan base of the Washington Commander's team is.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you think the split is fans?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I don't know because it used to be a ton
of Dallas fans, So I'm sure there's more Dallas fans.
I'm sure there's more Ravens fans, and there have been
less and less and less Commander's fans, so I don't
know what the ratio would be. There's still a tremendously
(04:25):
large contingent of of of Commander's fans.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Would you say sixty percent Commanders, forty percent Ravens, twenty
percent Cowboys or that doesn't make sense, ten percent Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't think it makes it. I wouldn't y intent.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Excuse me, my mass off today thirty and ten, but
majority of that would be Commander fans, and then you've
got sprinkling that the extra thirty for the Ravens, and
then you got your ten percent Cowboy fans, which.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm not I'm not going to say that's for certain either,
because there's a lot of transient you know, residents to
to the district, to northern Virginia. There there are a
lot of belongers as well in Virginia and in parts
of Maryland, and generally speaking, like parts of DC, like
(05:20):
d C people really really they're they're they're generally real,
stone cold about it. Like real d C people will
not not bang with with Baltimore Ravens because d C,
a d C thing does not mix with a Baltimore thing.
That that's not a mix, right, So, so true d
C ors or true PG countiers, Uh, you generally will
(05:44):
not ever see them be a Ravens fan because that's
not d m V.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like how far Away is like the Washing.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's a beltways.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's a battle of what they say, Battle of ninety five,
you know, it's it's a Beltway battle, right, So so
coming into the game, people, I understand it is a rivalry.
You know, they don't the Ravens and the the Commanders don't.
They don't like each other. Like, that's not they don't,
(06:16):
you know, the Ravens and in my head, I may
have created this, but the Ravens think they're better, and
in recent history they are better, right, they are better,
not not not in history not better all right, so
let's not go there.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But they they are better.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Than, you know, than Washington and and what since the
since they've come come come in pretty yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Since the Ravens have been in existence, they've been a
better franchise than Washington.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but historically speaking, they are not because
they don't have enough history to be better.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But with that being said, you're you're also talking about,
like I said, you're fighting for for fan base market share.
These two coaches, they are familiar with one another. If
people put it together, you know, Ron and and Harball
were on the same coaching staff at one point in
(07:15):
time when you know where Ron was linebackers coach and
Harball was a special teams coach in Philly. So they're
familiar with one another and know one another from from
being on the same coaching staff. It's just there were
To me, there were like great storylines of why the
(07:37):
game mattered. You got two new OC's that were in
the game. And I think Eric b enemy more so
than than Baltimore. I think I think Washington was really
trying to establish their offense and and try They're they're
working to forge a culture in Washington that has never
(08:01):
been there. So it's like trying to get a muscle
firing that's had atrophy for over a quarter of a century.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And look, Sam Howell looked pretty good when he was
in the game, so he played pretty good quarterback for them.
You could tell like yet an offensive lineman for Washington.
Sam Cosme, I believe, who came out and you know,
called the streak stupid and said they were going to
beat it as well too, So he was on the
LeVar train yesterday saying this streak was in trouble for
(08:31):
the Baltimore Ravens. But what was interesting is that John
Harbaugh afterwards, who looked to be the most stressed I've
ever seen a coach during the preseason game, a little
bit fired up. John Harvey had a little bit of
a red ass. And you know, maybe it could have
something to do with the fact that it was kind
of a busy day for the Harbaugh family. But we'll
(08:53):
get into that other story later on. But here was
the Ravens head coach talking about post streak last night.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Something like that, and I just told our guys, you're
proud of it. Of course, you know you appreciate it.
But the thing that you're proud of is all those
games are mostly just like that, you know, preseason games
that people want to write write about. Some of you
in here want to write about and say they don't
mean anything because you never played the game. You never
were out there in a preseason game, you never were
fighting for a spot on the team. And yet you
have the audacity to say that the effort that somebody
(09:22):
puts into that to win and fight and win a
game like that is meaningless. Tell me I was meaningless
out there. What you just saw. If you like football,
is that a meaningless football game? You know, I can't
respect anybody that says that because the effort these guys
put into it, that's what's such. You're proud of me,
That's that's why I'm so proud of these guys for
the way they fought. It doesn't matter win or loss,
it matters.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It matters the.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Way they the way they went about their business tonight,
and I'm proud of them for that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Always will be there.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, he's right, he's right about what he's saying.
But I mean he was taking a dig at somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I mean, I like the you that you didn't play
the game, pulling that from the bottom of the deck.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
He was finger pointing. It was finger pointing, and you know,
it happens. You know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And good for him, you know, good for him for
kind of taking the stance that he did, just just
for the simple fact that he is right. I mean,
the people that are saying the games don't mean anything,
they're right too. I mean, for what it's worth, I
don't think one has to be right for the other,
or one has to be wrong for the other to
(10:24):
be right. These games don't mean anything, you know. That's
that's why they're called preseason games. It's really no different
than being a scrimmage game. Now you can say a
scrimmage matters, because they do matter. In development terms, they matter,
but in terms of you know, statistical categories. I never
(10:47):
heard of anyone making the Hall of Fame because they were,
you know, undefeated as a player in preseason.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Like.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So, in the grand scheme of things like whether you
like it or not, coach, preseason games do not matter
in a lot of regards, so you know, But but
a guy's effort in trying to make a team, it
does matter. A guy trying to impact the game, it
(11:16):
does matter. It matters because more often than not, it's
it's them showcasing their talents with with the idea and
understanding that it's probably most likely for another another team.
I've seen guys have phenomenal and I mean absolutely amazing,
(11:39):
brilliant preseasons and still end up cut, like cut, like
clearly better than the guys in front of them.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, didn't Wes Welker get cut? I mean one
of the like he was going bro.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
There is such a long laundry list of players that
you could look up and see that are now and
some of them are resting in the Hall of Fame
and Canton. Some are on their way to Canton. And
they were cut, you know, they were let go and
they were better. But that's the economics of the business.
(12:18):
You're not always getting the best players, you're getting the
most financially financially strapped or financially obligated to those are
the ones that are going to remain on a roster.
And so more often than not, and people you know
(12:41):
point this out quite a bit, is that you have
two three openings on a fifty what is it, fifty
five now fifty five man roster. There you go. You
have very very limited spots. There's the practice squad. Generally,
practice squad guys will either get grabbed up or the
(13:05):
team will have to sign them to a contract so
another team can't take them. There's just so many different
things that can play out during during preseason and post preseason.
And so to say that it doesn't matter is a
(13:25):
bit that's a bit detached. Yeah, you haven't played, like
I would say, even if you played the game and
said that it didn't matter, maybe you have had a
different set of circumstances than other guys.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And also just from the standpoint that a lot of
guys you saw last night, that's it for them, like
and that happens every single preseason game, especially this stage
in the preseason, to where that'll be the closest they
ever get to being not only just on an NFL
field late in the game that's important on national television
(14:03):
like that was last night on Monday Night Football, but
just on an NFL field period, and we can dismiss
it and say, well, it's just the preseason and whatnot.
And that's something you're gonna be able to tell your
loved ones about, like, Hey, I played in an NFL game.
Don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I was on Monday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I was.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I was in a game late that mattered. And I
may not have reached a regular season or played, you know,
another down or another snap, but the fact that these
guys are getting that opportunity. That's why I've always been
a fan of the preseason. And when they were talking
about eliminating it altogether, I still think there's a place
for it. And I think that was also John Harba's point.
(14:40):
There's a place for this. It matters, a.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Place for it. No, it does matter, and there is
a place for it, and it is what it is.
Quite frankly, it doesn't go any further than what it is, though,
just be clear on that it is what it is.
It serves its purpose for you to get your entertainment.
It serves purpose for guys to have an opportunity to
(15:03):
get good film. It serves the purpose for a guy
that had an opportunity to make a roster I would
say it's very little that it serves the experience because
it's such a stressful time, right You're trying to solidify
a job and you know you're fighting the odds. So
(15:25):
unless you're one of those other guys that know they
pretty much have a roster spot, there's some surprises here
and there. You'll see a guy get cut that you
didn't expect or think was going to get cut, and
they got cut and they put somebody else on it.
Like that definitely does happen, but it's very rare. But
the preseason does serve its purpose. That's why it's been
(15:46):
such a major part of the game. It gives a
team opportunity to work out, the work off the rust
of the off season and really really push and move
towards what they going to be heading into game condition
for the regular season to hit. So it plays its part.
But it was all in all, that was a great
(16:08):
game last night. Yeah, you don't want to, Like I said,
you don't want to throw great around too easily or
anything like that. But it was a great game, and
it you know, it was nice to watch. It was
fun to watch, you know, Eric b Enemy was operating
the way he was calling the offenses. They did all right.
The Ravens did did alright. And it should be noted
that no starters at all pretty much played for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But the whole idea of boasting about preseason undefeated is
basically everyone giving the Baltimore Ravens credit for how much
talent they have and how deep they are in talented players.
And that's why they win because they're they're they're the
guys that they bring in are so much better at
(16:53):
at the number two and number three positions of the
team that they generally win all of their preseas.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, I gotta say this, Brady has been beloviating
about Zay Flowers.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
For a couple of runs.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He looks good, man, he looks fantastic.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Pretty elusive dude.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
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better players at his position who apparently finally had his
voice heard. We'll explain why that is coming up next
(17:53):
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up in
we'll call it twenty minutes from now. From the tire
Rack dot Com studios. A surprising piece of information has
come out of the NFL involving a future Hall of
Famer and something he's a fan of. So we will
(18:31):
get into that for you again coming up a little
over twenty minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. So,
LaVar Arrington, we were wondering, God, how's this sole thing
with Jonathan Taylor and Jimmy bigmouth Jim Mersey gonna shape
up for the Indianapolis Colts. And yeah, we're gonna go
ahead and reach the conclusion here pretty soon because the
(18:52):
Indianapolis Colts have given Jonathan Taylor permission to seek a trade. This,
of course after there had been speculation about them not
wanting to trade Jonathan Taylor and all the other stuff
that came along with it. Jim irsay Most famously pulled
up to a golf cart at training camp and said,
I could die tomorrow, Jonathan Taylor could be out of
(19:12):
the league. Nobody would care. And so Jonathan Taylor, who
was seeking a contract from the Indianapolis Colts, says he's
going to make about four million dollars in change in
the final.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Year of his deal.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
They've said they're not going to be any contract extension.
Apparently they've finally gotten the hint Jonathan Taylor doesn't want
to be a part of this organization anymore, and so
they are working to facilitate.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Jonathan Taylor get the hint that they didn't want him
to be a part of the organization anymore as well.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe it was a dual memo.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think this whole thing got sideways the second Jim
Mersay made those comments.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Because I think Jonathan Taylor and you guys have talked
about just Tim being a stand up guy, and he's
always had a great reputation going all the way back
to college at Wisconsin and being in the Big Ten.
And I think that Jonathan Taylor would have been okay
coming back and playing and then we worry about the
contract after the year. The second Ursay made the comment
(20:09):
he did about Jonathan Taylor could be out of the
league and nobody would care the league moves on, I
think he took that personally, and I think that was
a wrap. I don't think. I think this became more
of a personal conflict and then a financial one for
Jonathan Taylor, and I think that's where this whole thing
got sideways. Your guy, Jim Mersy, old Jimmy big mouth,
(20:31):
got the gout of the liquor cabinet one too many
times this offseason. Apparently.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Here's where I this is what makes this uh of
of an interesting topic of conversation because there are there
are rules to the game, right, there are rules to
how you conduct business. And it's interesting because one of
(20:58):
the things that is not prominent in terms of high
school or college football. I'll say, I won't say every
sport because some sports may be different. I don't I
don't want to make a judgment and be ignorant about it.
But the players aren't taught business. They're not Business is
(21:21):
not discussed in a way where you're prepared for the
emotions or the lack thereof you should have when engaging
in business. Like it's always going to be business over feelings.
(21:43):
And so when feelings get involved, feelings can can interrupt
and can disrupt and can destroy results in business. Now,
sometimes it can go the other way. Sometimes times feelings
can actually yield positive results. It's not always a bad thing.
(22:05):
It's just a dangerous thing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And so.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
The the interesting, the interesting dynamic when you talk about
you have to remove feelings from from business is that
football is all about feelings, right, like you're trained to
be in the moment you're trained to you know, feel
(22:32):
your teammates and feel your your coaches, and feel that energy,
and feel the hard work and embrace the challenges and
work together to a common goal. Like everything is about teamwork,
the ultimate team sport. Work together to get it done.
It's a common goal, it's a common bond, one heart,
(22:53):
one mind. You know, there's so many things that you
are trained and you are taught. You become very dependent
on the culture of football because everything is there. You're sick,
you come here, you got a toothache, You come here,
you got girl problems, you come here, you got whatever
it is. You still come to the football facility and
(23:17):
whatever the solution is going to be, that solution is
going to resonate from there. So it's almost like the
education of a football player is to be totally dependent
upon your football team and your football community and then
only to in some cases have it stripped away from
you and ripped from under you, and and it's like
(23:41):
an unsuspecting result. It's it's when you should be expecting it,
or you should be handling things in a business manner.
Fans get mad at you when you when you do
business as a player, fans get mad, you know, people
get mad. Oh they're they're they're worried about the wrong
things or this, that and the other, all these different
(24:04):
things that they say about the player, but they never
say it about the organization. They never say it about
the team. And that has always existed. The players are judged,
but the franchise doesn't get judged. It's just business. When
it comes down to the franchise, it's just business. But
(24:24):
when it's the player, the players should have showed this
undying loyalty towards their team, towards the franchise, towards everything
that's going on, and so you get upset with them.
Now it might not be that way so much anymore.
The way things are, you know, have I guess kind
of evolved based upon like fantasy football and stuff like that.
(24:49):
It's kind of decentralized and in a lot of ways,
it's desensitized the fan bases to having really fierce loyales
like like days of old. But nonetheless, Jonas, you're you're
talking about guys who have been classically set up for failure,
(25:11):
and this is one of those moments where you're seeing
it play out Jim Irsay should have never said that,
whether it true or not, which he that it is
true what he said, But whether true or not, he
has an obligation to be more responsible than that of
a better steward, so to speak over the flock that
(25:36):
that he has ownership of within his organization. If if
your employees do not have a collective belief in the
value of what you bring to the table as an owner,
there's no there should be no secret or surprise as
to why business in terms of if it's the business
(25:57):
of winning isn't taking place.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And in Diannapolis, if it feels like and you could
be the biggest Jim Irsay fan. And I like Jim
Mersay and Jim Mersey has been a part of some
good things in this league and and he's good for
the NFL and and he says funny stuff and all that,
and you know, but he cares about his football team
and nobody can deny that he definitely cares about his team.
I mean, he also cares about Wales. But you know
(26:21):
that that she gone, so he's got he's got to
get focused on the season now. But like you can
be the biggest Ersay fan, you can be a Colts
kiss ass all you want. There's a lot of bad,
embarrassing moments that have taken place with the organization over
the past couple of years, and I feel like it's
in large part because of Jim Mersay and this is
(26:44):
one of them. The Jeff Saturday fiasco that was Ersa's
fingerprints all over that that was his idea, the way
Frank Wright was jettison the revolving door quarterback, and I
get it. Andrew Luck retired on the on the on
the sideline in a preseason game, and Philip Rivers decided
he didn't want to come back. But you know, you
you could not get rid of Carson Wentz fast enough,
(27:06):
and then you brought in Matt Ryan, and you couldn't
get rid of Matt Ryan fast enough, and then you
couldn't get rid of Frank Reich fast enough, and then
you wanted Jeff Saturday to be your guy, and you
could go all the way back to Ryan Grigson, who was,
you know, some guy that he used to lift weights with,
which is why he got the job as a GM
back in the day. It just it feels like there's
a lot of spur of the moment. Maybe he doesn't
(27:26):
really think things through, just kind of shoots his mouth
off or makes a decision then afterwards disconnected. Yeah, it's
like you've got to You've got a rookie quarterback who's
a raw talent by anybody's estimation. This look they look
at at you know, Anthony Richardson and go, hey man,
he's got all the tools in the world. It's being
(27:47):
definitely going to take time. He's not as polished as c. J.
Stroud or as Bryce Young or these guys. Wouldn't you know,
at all pro level running back being in the backfield
kind of help his developmental little bit. I don't know,
it seems like that would be a move that you'd
want to make sure that that was part of your
organization and a position that was part of your organization
(28:08):
to get your rookie quarterback ready to go. And URSA
is just like now whatever, I mean all, uh, you know,
I could die tomorrow and uh, Jonathan Taylor could be
out of the league, and you know, the league moves on.
But by the way, please donate to my charity because
we got shamou who can't breathe out of one, you know,
testicle and we're trying to save his life, like whatever.
(28:29):
Like the whole thing's just weird and and you got
the court.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It's a manner in which it's approached is what makes it.
Nobody's going to have an issue with you doing what's
best for your team, but you can you can have
a manner and an approach that shows that you care,
you know that that you matter, and and that to
(28:53):
me is what breeds a culture and an environment that
is able to find that balance within the business because
the business is there. And then as you start to
learn about business and understand it as an adult that
you're thrust it into after all these years of doing it,
(29:13):
and the business was always there. You know, high schools
generate money off of their football programs they do, and
it's a business. It's interesting because that money has to
literally go back into the program for you to be
able to have the sport in order for it to
(29:34):
kind of survive. So it's a different set of circumstances
surrounding the business, but nonetheless still a business. Money is
being generated, you know, there's commerce involved. Then it goes
into big business, big big, big business at the next level.
If you go to college and then it goes into big, big,
big business if you make it to the pros and
(29:58):
you're ill prepared for the business of it. And so
when someone makes the business front and center like ers did,
and they do it in a uh, just a total
dis just.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You know, just you're unimportant.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like it's just disregard, total total disregard to the player
as a person. His like that calls into that calls
into a lot of ways, whether he knew it or not,
or whether he meant it that way or not. It
calls your value into question. Yeah, and you never want like, oh, well,
(30:42):
he's talking about it in terms of it being a player, right,
Like he didn't say as a person, no one would care.
But as a player, you you take it as as
a person, no one cares, right, So you just devalued
me as a man.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Players heard that?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yes, what that's and that's why I'm telling you all
of these little things that you hear, all of these
things that these players experience and that they go through.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You're you're actually creating a culture.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And that culture says that if he can do it
to Jonathan Taylor, who is one of our best players,
a franchise guy, he could do.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It to any of us.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
And so now that harsh reality of the disregard that
he showed towards Jonathan Taylor in the moment of when
he wanted a contract and he wanted to to you know,
exercise seeing what his value was.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
This is how you're going to handle it. Then you're
going to handle it like that with me.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And so now you detach from having any type of
real personal ownership over the organization. You're not you're not
going to do anything more than what you would do
unless you're doing it for yourself, unless you're doing it
for your teammates. So to me, there's a lot, there's
a lot to it, and it's unfortunate, but it's you know,
(32:14):
guys are ill prepared to be pros and handle business
and then things like this happen and then you see
fallouts take place. I thought Jim Mersey missed on this one,
and he's going to have to do some cleaning up
to make sure that he preserves what it is that
he has in his locker room or to help create,
(32:34):
you know, a better environment for winning in that locker room,
because they clearly have not been successful in.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The winning at at Indianapolis.
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Good morning everybody, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
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Speaker 8 (35:06):
You might guess that Bill Belichick is admittedly a that's right,
that's right. He's a fan of the boss. But he
has admitted on the Greg Hill Show this week that
he had hit up Jellette Stadium to check out Taylor
Swift and these were his comments on Taylor.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That was pretty impressive. She's tough and then she just
stood up there and played right through it.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So are you officially you consider yourself to officially be
a swiftye.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
No, officially, I don't know about that, But I don't
know what.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Officially is playing through it, meaning that she had played
the concert through a rainstorm. So big fan of Taylor
Swift and the toughness there. Bill Belichick is a swifty
you could say, you call whatever he wants. That guy's
a swiftye.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I mean that was flirting, is what that was. Oh
you think so acknowledgement.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
You think.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He's older. He ain't dead, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I think Belichick's given Taylor Swift his fastball? There is
that what you think?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I mean, I don't know that he was giving her fastball.
I think he was definitely admiring from afar why not.
I mean, coaches have eyes too, you know. I think
I think urban Meyer put us up on a little.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Bit of game on that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
You know, it's a great call.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, coaches, coaches would be okay with Taylor Swift singing
to them like wow, you know, maybe on their lap
or you know, in front of them.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, whatever, you know. I mean, you know, I'm just saying.
I mean, coaches have feelings too.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
To defend here, It's like the guy can't sit on
a bar school and have a cocktail with that gid and.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Have a conversation with friends friends, and.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
He's getting harassed, you know, like, I'm I'm team Urban there.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I see to me he had there were some loose
flies in the restaurant, and and what people just didn't
know is that that young lady that was seemingly looking
like she was country tworking.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, country twirking.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, you know, she was trying to get the fly
the insects away from urban like that was that was
the way you get the flies away.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Great call, you know, yeah, why dance they called it?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
What else were you got, guys?
Speaker 8 (37:25):
According to TMZ, Florida law enforcement has been instructured by
a judge to take action against Antonio Brown for missing
yet another child support payment fifteen thousand dollars. So he
has been They've been instructed to arrest Antonio Brown unless
he pays the fifteen thousand dollars plus another five thousand
dollars in attorney fees.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I just.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
This guy.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They can arrest him over not having the attorney's fees
paid too.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Wow, I mean, good luck with this. They can do
whatever they want. We saw this worked out the last
time he went.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That's a judgment. That's judgment.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Yes, there was also an earlier judgment earlier in the
year for missing a thirty thousand dollars payment, but he
was able to take care of that before legal actions.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, he just took it out of the those arena
league guys is way out.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
So does he have money or no? Like his money's
all gone now I don't know like this this this
short after leaving the game.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
That's a big child support payment.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I thought fifteen thousand has a less a lot of money, man,
I thought for sure, But is that a payment or
is that like I thought it'd be over a period
of time.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I thought his hip hop career was going to take
off for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
This is been the booming.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, the booming for if you as baby Mama and
you could get that support payment, that's been the boom
in fifteen g'sh what are these court systems doing?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But if we learned it, if we've learned any lesson,
this guy's just gonna crawl and dig a tunnel under
his house and hide this thing out and everything will
be fun.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
For two weeks. You're saying, he'll be downstairs. Listen to
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