August 28, 2023 • 37 mins
The Niners finally end their experiment with Trey Lance, trading him to the Cowboys. Arizona State issues a self-imposed one-year bowl ban and LaVar gets sun sick on the FSR IR.
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So one of the stories that we had been monitoring
and discussing here on the show for a long time
was what the hell are the forty nine ers is
going to do with Trey Lance if he can't win
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the starting quarterback job. That question was answered, and then
and then what are they gonna do if he can't
win the number two quarter back job?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, I guess with that answer that answer hammer has dropped.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, And the decision was made. And so, while while
we were working and doing shows in Ireland and everybody
was trying to figure out how this whole thing was
going to play out with Trey Lance, he was traded
to the Dallas Cowboys for a twenty twenty four fourth
round pick, a lot of people may be surprised that
they got some value for a guy who's played in
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five games since twenty nineteen college included, but nonetheless Trey Lance,
and the reasoning behind it was he wanted an opportunity
to compete for the number two quarterback job. Apparently he's
going to get that opportunity in Dallas. He had it
in San Francisco. It did not work out. He lost
to Sam Darnolds, and now Trey Lance is a member
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of the Dallas Cowboys. Little quarterback trade here as we
get ready for the season.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
What's the most surprising part?
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Is it the fact that they didn't hang on to
him in any capacity? Is it who actually he made
the trade for him? I mean, is this like, say
anything to you guys about maybe where the Cowboys think
they are with Dak.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's the first thing I I thought about. But I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You gotta be careful Lvar. You start criticizing Dak, you
know they're gonna come after you.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, I have no problem. I have no problem with
they Cowboy fans. They get pissed at LeVar when he
talks about Dak. I'm well, first of all, we've all
I think, Oh, good.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
No, you're trainer with the Giants. His name is slipped
my mind. But he told me to tell you low.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh yeah, he came by.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Ronnie came by.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, he came by.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ronnie barn Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean if
he you know, could have been byron but he was,
he was. He happened to be. Uh did he have glasses?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm very sophisticated young man.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh no, he was not younger he was, I know
he wasn't young.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Was just calling him all but his named Bournes has
his own practice.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I think so. I don't know, man, It was everything
was kind of blurry for a while there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, is he on my side? No, No, he's
on the other side. Yeah, he was on the he
was on your side, yeah, Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then yeah, I just I just looked up Ronny and
I can confirm that's not him. Yeah, that was not him.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Sorry, that's a different one. But anyway, he wanted to
tell you. Sorry. I didn't mean to get off track.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
It was like as soon as you were like thinking
about I was like, all right, LeVar Giants division rival, Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I was like, yeah, he's a trainer.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah. Yeah, well here's what I'll say about the whole.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Movie.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he wasn't on my side. I was just trying
to get it out without like being too obvious, like.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Is he black?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Is he a brother?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Is he black? Johnson?
Speaker 6 (04:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Which piano? Which piano?
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Key?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Is he?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
The one that has more.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So late, we didn't had a whole conversation, just now
timing that was the one Mark. That was the one Mark.
There's my opening way to go, Mark.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think this is I think it's clear that we
we will learn what Dak Prescott is to the Dallas
Cowboys this season and and what that means moving into
the future. I don't know that them getting Trey Lance
means that this is the end for Dak Prescott. I
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I definitely don't think that that's what it is. But
I do think that it is a definitive decision that
says that if Dak Prescott doesn't have the type of
year that is acceptable to probably Jerry Jones, that this
is the beginning of the end. I do believe that.
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And whether they had brought Trey Lance in or not,
I think that that's still the conclusion that you probably
have to come to and looking at what's going on
with a closing window of opportunity with the current roster
that they have in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
It was interesting too, only because then like when you see,
you know, Dallas makes this trade for Trey Lance, and
I understand that every owner, every front office member can say, look,
you're always looking at bolstering up, you know, your roster
any way you can, and especially behind the quarterback spot,
as we've even seen reports about like Wentz and the
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Chiefs maybe looking at bringing him in because God forbid
something happens to your starter.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
You don't want your entire season.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Be derailed if you feel like you have a really
good team, and the Cowboys do have a good team,
So there could be some justification there for saying, hey,
we want to have some depth. We want to have
some guy, the guy that we feel really good about,
you know, as he sits and watches Dak and learning
from and he has a similar skill set like the
comp When I was watching Trey Lance, but he was
coming out from North Coast State, I was like, reminds
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me a lot of Dak Prescott, like the way he
ran the football and the way you know, kind of
threw the football round. But then then then you hear
like and Jury starts saying, oh, we were kind of
trying to get on a Jailen hurts there too, and
it's wait, wait a second.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Did you have Dak then like hold on, hold on now,
like how committed really are you?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I mean right now, he's under contract obviously for the
next couple of seasons, and it's a monumental dead cap hit.
If they were just straight out outright cut him and
move on next year, it's like like sixty two million.
So like he's under contract, he's got a couple of
voidable years at the end with a team ask control,
so he's really not an unrestricted free agent until twenty
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twenty five. But it's really structured where the Cowboys and
not move on. It's really hard to trade him because
his cap hit is so big. His cappit in twenty
twenty four is fifty nine million. So really the way
his deal is structured at this point after this year,
depending on how it goes, it's going to be restructured.
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It has to be like they don't want to have
to absorb almost sixty million against the cap in twenty
twenty four. So if he does well, he'll get extended,
they'll restructure and you'll see additional years and you know what,
those moneys will be tagged onto it, and that caphit
will be reduced. If he doesn't, I'll be curious to
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see what happens, you know, moving.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Forward, Cooper Rush played pretty well last year. It's kind
of interesting that they would need well, Okay, I mean
they come on, they were winning games with Cooper Rush,
at least they did as a backup quarterback too. So
he's gone out. He was four and one as a
starter last year.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Cooper Rush, you know Rush Rush? Ooh what you do
to me? He was winning?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Rush?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is that Paul Abdul?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, that was a good song. That was the first
day lough right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The fact that the fact that they brought in Trey
Lance to compete for the backup quarterback job when he
had a backup quarterback who was serviceable last year, it's just.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Kind of that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It kind of leads to maybe this wasn't about just compete.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You're trying to like hype it up like he was
carrying them. I don't know that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Like there was like a lot of people that had
Cooper Rush and their MVP conversations.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Some people even had conversations of why I bring back
the other guy? I agree, you.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Realized they held their opponents of those four wins to
seventeen points or less.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, because his last name is Rush and you.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Rushed the quartus rush.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, and he kept you know, he kept the offense
off the field, you know, Yeah, because he was doing
so well as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, so he did.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Fine. I'm not I'm not trying to like hate. I'm
just saying, like, let's let's calm down here.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm just saying he's number two on the depth chart
even with this blockbuster.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Trade MVP considerations from some people.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, all it takes is for Dak to go
down and then the MVP races.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's back on and Dak Deak has possibly go down,
has had some injury issues, you know what. You know
what this does say though, that the number two competition
between Sam Darnold and Trey Lance must have been such
a wipeout, Yeah, that they didn't even It wasn't even
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unless Trey Lance made it to the point to where
he it would be awkward if he was a backup
quarterback to Brock Purty but this this feels like he
got dominated in that backup.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
John, don't let Sam Darr get an opportunity in that offense.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I'm just telling you he'll he's got a ball out
if he plays in Shanahan's system.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You've seen a little bit in preseason.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I'm just telling you, I think he's his skill set
and the style of offense and how Kyle can work
around all that. I'm telling you, man, he'll be really
good in that system. If something happens to Purty or
if he starts to kind of cool off.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Can you guys think of a comp where a team
gave up the amount that they gave up to move
up to draft a guy and this is what the
end result was a couple of years later. Can you
think of this ever happening in the NFL before, Because
I can't think of all the draft capital they gave up, no,
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and then to get basically bailed out by the last
pick of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was awkward too listening to John Lynch speak about
Trey Lance, like, oh, he just spoke so highly of him. Man,
He's just such a great guy, and you know, it's
just unfortunate that we had to you know, go this
direction with it, and he talked about how aggressive and
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how much Dallas wanted him and giving up that tremendously
large fourth round draft pick to bring him in, and
just everything that played a part in him ending up
in Dallas, like it was an opportunity that they just
couldn't pass up with, you know, with Trey Lance. It
just it just made you just start to wonder. Like, honestly,
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you know, some people could see it as bad for football.
I actually see it as good. I thought it was.
It was an interesting move, it was an aggressive move,
and it almost seems as though they may have cut
him at the end of this this offseason, like or
at the end of this preseason, that they would have
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let him go. I mean, it just seemed like they
weren't even going to hold on to him. And I
think that that's kind of it's such a different time.
I mean, you tell me, Q, but I almost feel
like when a quarterback of that high of a draft
stock ends up with this type of of fate and
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their their their original their original landing place where they
got drafted, it just says to me that the NFL
is taking on a more less loyal, more aggressive approach
to what it is that they would like to achieve one.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Hundred percent, right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
I think it's it's never become harder for young quarterbacks
to try to go in and succeed, at least in
the aspect of the expectations are through the roof immediately.
I mean, we talked about CJ. Stroud earlier being named
the starter. If if he doesn't look to be the
part there, there are gonna be people who write him off,
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which is incredibly unfair to him, or Bryce Young or
Anthony richardson, any of the rookie quarterback that's going to
start out the gate, right.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I mean, I don't care like who you are. It
takes time.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Everyone's got a different learning curve, everyone's in a different
situation in circumstance, And unfortunately we see just so many
people now have the expectation that like they're going to
come in from day one and be able to make
their team a Super Bowl contender, and there's just so
much that goes into it. So it's unfortunate for Trey.
(14:24):
Lance and Jonas did a really good job of painting
the picture of you know, how he performed in the
limited action that he saw. I mean, the reality is,
but he had two starts back in twenty twenty one,
wasn't too bad. He got what two starts in twenty
twenty two last year and and didn't look as good. Right,
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one of those was in a monsoon in Chicago, which
if you're going to hold Trey Lance to that standard,
you should probably hold justin fields to that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Standard like a legitimate man.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, like thro neither threw well on.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That hold your field, which is.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
But that's the problem is you have so many nerds
who are like box score videos like well good stats,
Like all right, nerd, go back to mama, Nerd, go
watch the tape and tell me that you were expecting
your quarterback to have a perfect ritting after those conditions.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Nerd.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
By the way, Monson on the worst field condition to
the NFL, like a solid.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Slide Soldier field.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
So but my point is this is like nerd, between
him getting injured and then I guess in the second
year not seeing the progression you'd hope for, which really
only came down to like one start of the two
he had, you kind of look at it and go,
all right, we've got this other guy who's a lot cheaper,
and we've got Nick Bosa, We've got a number of
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the really good players who'd like to build around. And
if we can go ahead and utilize Brock Proty on
his rookie deal, that's a lot cheaper while we build
these other contracts. And if we can find a backup
for relatively cheap, which they did, Sam Darnold, we're kind
of good at moving on. Let's just cut our losses
and move on. We can't change the decision that we made.
And again I've said this and I will continue to
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say it. I still think their trade up to number
three was it with an entirely different intent, and that's
why probably internally there's not as much pressure or heat
on the decision to trade away those draft picks to
go to that spot because I again I think it
was in an attempt to lure the packers and the
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trader of Aaron Rodgers and going up there, and once
the green Bay deal fell through, they were stuck in
that spot of taking Trey Lance like they did.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
So look, hindsight's what you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
But as far as what they what they gave up
to go get them, I mean, they just felt like
they're in a different situation now to go win a
Super Bowl, and they've got a guy in Brock pretty
they believe it. So why not allow Trey Lance an
opportunity go somewhere else where he can continue his career.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I think that. Look, John Winch is a genuine guy.
I think there's a lot of genuine.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Comments he made about Trey Lance and how he feels
towards him. So, look, I'm glad Trey Lance got a
landing spot in Dallas. I do think that's a good
situation for him. He could have been dealt to other places.
And this is a this is a legit one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
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Coming up in about twenty minutes from now we are
going to have an FSRIR as we report any issues, injuries,
ailments from a long weekend in the for members of
this show here, So that'll be fun stuff to talk
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about there. I'm sure Lee will be a star during
the FSRIR coming up in about twenty minutes from now
here on Fox Sports Radio. But we've mentioned this and
brought this up before about Arizona State and the Herm
Edwards era there and just maybe some comparisons between that
and Jim Harbaugh. Well, apparently they have followed suit with
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what the self imposed punishment process is like, as Jim
Harbaugh is now suspended for the first three games. But
don't worry, he's got like four different coaches filling in
for him. He's got his dad on the staff. It's
just a family affair there at Michigan for the first
couple of games of this upcoming season. But Arizona State
they will not play in a bowl game self, imposing
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a one year bowlban on Sunday morning, and so that
was sort of their acknowledgment. This according to Pete Thamil,
who covers He's the Famil Camel, as Brady calls him,
covers college football for ESPN. Yeah, but this goes back
to the you know, just the investigation into her Meedwards
and recruiting tactics and things like that. So the Arizona
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State Sun Devils no bowl game for them this upcoming year,
So another bulletsh Arizon.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Kind it kind of feels convenient.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean, Jonas want to bring up their schedule, we
can kind of look at what maybe their outlook is
this year.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Like I would.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Imagine their win loss total is probably somewhere at six
and a half seven.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And a half. Okay, let's let's do so much. Just
still qualify you for some type of a bowl game.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Hell yeah, you got you got to get the six wins.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
But if it's at six and a half, five and
a half, somewhere in there, I mean, the Pac twelve
is really deep.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
This year.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So I mean, at Michigan State, six wins will get
you like ninety million dollars depending on who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So boy, sorry the my mic goes off.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Shots fired.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I just I feel like this is a move that
I'm very similar to Michigan in some sense of what
they're doing right now, but also different where they they're
hoping that the NCAA acts more kindly to them in
the future when they feel like, you know, you've got
a new head coach there, but you feel like you're
in a better spot recruiting, building your program moving forward.
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You know they're gonna have a freshman quarterback starting for them,
and Jaden and Reshata, there's gonna be a lot of youth,
lot of newness. Clearly USC and Utah are two of
the teams to beat, but I would even imagine to
say there's there's a I mean between Oregon and Washington,
all the schools out there right now, they're loaded. Arizona
State is probably the bottom of the pack. So if
you're gonna, if you're gonna try to self impose a bullpan,
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maybe this is the year.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
By the way I'm seeing in some places there season
win totals four and a half.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
So there you go like, like the perception of this
team is not good. And so if if even the
odds makers are saying we were we're not taking we're
not taking you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
To be bull ultimus here.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
If you're if you're the you know, if you're the
athletic department, you're like, why don't we just go ahead
and self and post a bull band seem in the
NCAA doesn't hurt us as much?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah? Uh, I think we actually did bring up the
comparison when the whole situation took place with Harball as
well to to Arizona State, and you know, and that's
why I sat there and said, I feel like there's
maybe more that's going to come out that it's possible
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to be discussed in a public form as it applies
to what took place with Michigan. Because if it were
if you can bet the bank, if you're talking about
an accusation that was kind of downplayed or downgraded to
saying it was just getting somebody some burgers and fries,
you can you can ultimately draw a conclusion that more
(22:00):
took place. It's just a mad matter how much more
it was. And if it's so egregiously bad that you
have to go down a a much harsher you know.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You think it was like Hugh Freeze bad.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know why what did you do?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Oh? I don't know? Jonas, like, why don't you elaborate
on that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What do you mean? I listen?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I mean, what do I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Robert can DJ fell out of a window. It's on
his fault. You got some bad weed? What do you want?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That wasn't probably what was the most egregious tried?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
A number of calls made to a specific service.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
See, I thought you'd be up on this kind of
tim mad cerial you're.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Up on Well, I forgot about that one because who else?
Who else was involved in that?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Just the story goes LeVar.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Apparently there is like a number of times a specific
number was called for certain services, and there's there's a
claim to ignorance.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
They just had the wrong number, you even though.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
There's multiple, Yes, multiple multiple calls were made.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Track Act.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
By the way, was it an eight hundred number, a.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Nine hundred number?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't even know if it was like one of those.
It was a local you know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Just a local number.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Burn.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh Now were those four Hugh or were they for others?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
They were for me? Oh no, you're saying Hugh for me?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
For you like that?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I think they're for you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay, what they could have been?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
I said, Hugh, Yeah, they're for you.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
What were they? What were they?
Speaker 6 (23:51):
By the way, are people are specializing being very specific
set of skills you.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Know what not to because obviously kind.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Of like like like Liam Neeson and taking, but not
specifically that, but very similar.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You get taken.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They're very very good at their job.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You will get taken somewhere.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's that's you know, there were like two hundred kidneys
delivered to a hospital the other day. Did you hear
about that? I was talking to Vito about that. It
sounded funny because I was like, you know, it made
me immediately think about that number that you guys were
talking about and the friends the helpline that that that
they you know, they were getting on and I was like, man,
you know there was a time in Vegas where people
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were waking up on ice because they had to remember
they was drugging them up and then they take their
body parts. Yeah, by the way, like they were making
that call to that number. They come hang out and
they literally was doing the limnice like taking like your
body parts.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Anythink that hangover felt like you're waking up.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Somebody beat me up, Like why do I have stitches
right here falling down last night?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know you're missing an Oregon not Oregon people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Then four again, go Ducks.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hey, you know Arizona State only plays four road games
this year.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's kind of weird. They've only played they don't they
don't go on the road.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
They only play four road games.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yes, yeah, that's why I'm slipping. Are we seeing some
value here? Like they got that many home games. They're
at home the entire month of September until the final.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Which is huge because of how hot it is.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That plays to their advantage a little bit.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Man, that place is sweltering here a little.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, And if you want to go to that
first game against Southern Utah this upcoming weekend tickets there
was a little as six bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Are they really?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, dude, it's so hot out there. I Mean, here's
the thing.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
If you if you're a student at asked you you
might as well just go pay six dollars instead of
going to a tanning bed and just going to play
out in the stands, because they don't pretty much have
the same effect.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is Arizona stayed the place where I think maybe you
and Petros are talking about doing a game there.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Well, my god, it wasn't like it's not like this now.
But they had a temporary ac uh set up, so
like they didn't have any ac in the booth. And
I got up there and I had a jacket and
I looked at Joe Davis.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I'm like, uh, I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I was like, I will literally be it would be
dripping from my forehead if I try to do this.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And so they brought in this temporary.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Unit where they had like the hose kind of around it,
just blowing at us like like that was gonna do much.
So that was the hottest game I'd ever been a
part of as a player. I've coached in like EA
Sweat Shrine and some other stuff, But I mean that
was the hottest game of any sort of ever been
a part of at any level of football.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm calling the Penn State West Virginia game.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Are Yeah, with the great TJ.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Reeves, my guys, former Fox Sports radio host.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Kind of excited to do it.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, you should be excited. It's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think it's a pretty cool game. I think it'll
be a fun game. It's a lot of excitement being generated.
I'll tell you that we got we got some dogs
on our team. Geez, I mean geez, dogs everywhere. The
King Brothers, Stick City the fourth. What time now that
(27:20):
game's on Saturday? What time do you have to get
out later on? It's a bit of a hike, right,
It's a late night to get to stay college.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
But I'm going to go.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm come in and probably come in from from Harrisburg,
most likely because Harrisburg might be a little bit more
fun to go to Zimbi's and have some LeVar Islands.
That's where the official LeVar Island actually resides. So yeah,
I go to Zimbi's and probably get faded and then
hope that you know, I wake up.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
What are you gonna do, buddy? Faded?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like when I was planning off the Maryland with the
LeVar Islands in the island with my island there. But uh,
but I am I'm going to find a way to
get it done this weekend. And by the way, we'll
call that game.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah at State you should go to uh, you know,
Graduate Hotels. They got a location at State College there,
you know. I mean that's a that's a fun place
to go hang out, get get fired up for the game.
Little West Virginia Penn State open up the year. What
do you think, what do you think attendance is going
to be, Like, it's going to be grand.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, it's going to ye. Yeah, this is this is
a big enough game, like the people are familiar with,
like we know that West Virginia is a is a
formidable adversary. Like that's not like going to be a cakewalk.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's one of the better games this weekend because there's
not a lot of seemingly competitive games outside of you know,
maybe Florida State.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
They're always spreads.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean week one spreads are tough though.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
That's the thing, like West Virginia is when lost total
is probably what at four and a half, five and
a half, I don't know, but I would imagine it's
just it's a Power five program, you know, you got
to play in week one. There's always some wrinkles, you know,
I know Drew Awler's got some experience, but now he's
he's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah four and a half or West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, well I look at like I said, I do this,
It's my job. I was.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I was watching Minnesota film preparing for our Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Game we got.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I'll tell you what, man, a little young quarterback last
year played. He can sling it. These kids, man, Like
I can't get over.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
I was talking with some of the guys just about
how the throwing motion for quarterbacks had like changed at
the end of like my my NFL career to the
point where it's just it's different. But all these kids
all have like very similar kind of armsloughts form and
they could just rip it and it's it's so it's different.
(29:49):
It's completely different taught how it was back when I
was growing up, and it's it's awesome to see it
because now you see like the it's more of a
level playing field because you have a lot of quarterbacks
you can sling it. Before you really did. Like this
is one case where like specialization in a sport has
really helped propel I think more parody in college football.
(30:09):
If I'm not mistaken and maybe you can find the
statter leak and maybe look this up. Of the Power
five programs, I want to say over more than half
their starting quarterback is a transfer. And it's literally allowed
more teams to be competitive because of that, because you
just got a better player at that position, which is
(30:31):
obviously pretty important.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It should like just to see the quarterback position and
the fact that college football is here and you're seeing
obviously Sam Hartman and everything, and you're just seeing how
many of these guys you know, they'll push off graduating
because they want to make sure that Listen, I got
one more year left of eligibility. I want to get
it done and I want to get.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Speaker 1 (31:18):
Tell them we sent you forty three of the sixty
nine Power five starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's sixty two percent our traps. Think about that, dude,
a lot of loyalty.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Man, Come on, man, don't make it like that. Don't
make it like that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean it's cold blooded, but that's a hard fact
right there.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Yeah, but come on, like play they want to play
like and other positions have had a bunch of like
by the way, wide receivers like they're they're looking to
leave as soon as they're a lower school and they,
you know, they have a good season, they will yam out.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Did they call it? They call that the bru McCoy,
don't they That's what they call that for wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
You know, Well, he'll be.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Organs, who's the tight end for Oregon, who's on his
eighth year of eligibility or ninth year, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I mean he's a tight end. I think it's like
his ninth year. Cam McCormick.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, Cam McCormick just celebrated his thirty sixth birthdays just
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Years old.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
So he's like old Sammy Hartman, my guy. Yeah, he
looked like the older statesman out there.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He looked good though. I mean, but old people play
college football all the time. Like I said, we had
a Navy seal.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Yeah, they just have to be Mormon.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, we had a Navy seal that was like he
was old as hell for being real slates.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Later you see all the time.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Look, I have very rarely come across And by the way,
this is either this year or next year will be
the last year of six years because they won't have
the additional year from COVID. So like it's a rarity,
Like you're really not going to see players at least
I guess in the respect of playing into a sixth year,
you're not.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Going to see that anymore. You might see some.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Older players, especially those who go off on a mission
or something if they're of the Mormon faith and they
come back, but you're not going to see guys are
who are having six years.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And here's the other thing, Like people.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Will put up stats from from I'm like, well, yeah,
the guy should have a lot of stats.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
He's played six years.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But you might get a military guy or something like
that that actually went and served for like to you know,
two tours or whatever, and they'll come back and they
still have eligibility to play. Yeah, every once in a
while that.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I mean because usually they're they're you know, Navy, Army,
air Force, and then they they deplay after that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like I said, I got my shrunken head from from
a Navy c A real one.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
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So one of the stories that we had been monitoring
and discussing here on the show for a long time
was what the hell are the forty nine ers is
going to do with Trey Lance if he can't win
(01:51):
the starting quarterback job. That question was answered, and then
and then what are they gonna do if he can't
win the number two quarter back job?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, I guess with that answer that answer hammer has dropped.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, And the decision was made. And so, while while
we were working and doing shows in Ireland and everybody
was trying to figure out how this whole thing was
going to play out with Trey Lance, he was traded
to the Dallas Cowboys for a twenty twenty four fourth
round pick, a lot of people may be surprised that
they got some value for a guy who's played in
(02:26):
five games since twenty nineteen college included, but nonetheless Trey Lance,
and the reasoning behind it was he wanted an opportunity
to compete for the number two quarterback job. Apparently he's
going to get that opportunity in Dallas. He had it
in San Francisco. It did not work out. He lost
to Sam Darnolds, and now Trey Lance is a member
(02:46):
of the Dallas Cowboys. Little quarterback trade here as we
get ready for the season.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
What's the most surprising part?
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Is it the fact that they didn't hang on to
him in any capacity? Is it who actually he made
the trade for him? I mean, is this like, say
anything to you guys about maybe where the Cowboys think
they are with Dak.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's the first thing I I thought about. But I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
You gotta be careful Lvar. You start criticizing Dak, you
know they're gonna come after you.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, I have no problem. I have no problem with
they Cowboy fans. They get pissed at LeVar when he
talks about Dak. I'm well, first of all, we've all
I think, Oh, good.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
No, you're trainer with the Giants. His name is slipped
my mind. But he told me to tell you low.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh yeah, he came by.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Ronnie came by.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, he came by.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ronnie barn Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean if
he you know, could have been byron but he was,
he was. He happened to be. Uh did he have glasses?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm very sophisticated young man.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh no, he was not younger he was, I know
he wasn't young.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Was just calling him all but his named Bournes has
his own practice.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
I think so. I don't know, man, It was everything
was kind of blurry for a while there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, is he on my side? No, No, he's
on the other side. Yeah, he was on the he
was on your side, yeah, Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then yeah, I just I just looked up Ronny and
I can confirm that's not him. Yeah, that was not him.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Sorry, that's a different one. But anyway, he wanted to
tell you. Sorry. I didn't mean to get off track.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
It was like as soon as you were like thinking
about I was like, all right, LeVar Giants division rival, Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I was like, yeah, he's a trainer.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah. Yeah, well here's what I'll say about the whole.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Movie.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he wasn't on my side. I was just trying
to get it out without like being too obvious, like.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Is he black?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Is he a brother?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Is he black? Johnson?
Speaker 6 (04:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Which piano? Which piano?
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Key?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Is he?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
The one that has more.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So late, we didn't had a whole conversation, just now
timing that was the one Mark. That was the one Mark.
There's my opening way to go, Mark.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think this is I think it's clear that we
we will learn what Dak Prescott is to the Dallas
Cowboys this season and and what that means moving into
the future. I don't know that them getting Trey Lance
means that this is the end for Dak Prescott. I
(05:46):
I definitely don't think that that's what it is. But
I do think that it is a definitive decision that
says that if Dak Prescott doesn't have the type of
year that is acceptable to probably Jerry Jones, that this
is the beginning of the end. I do believe that.
(06:07):
And whether they had brought Trey Lance in or not,
I think that that's still the conclusion that you probably
have to come to and looking at what's going on
with a closing window of opportunity with the current roster
that they have in Dallas.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
It was interesting too, only because then like when you see,
you know, Dallas makes this trade for Trey Lance, and
I understand that every owner, every front office member can say, look,
you're always looking at bolstering up, you know, your roster
any way you can, and especially behind the quarterback spot,
as we've even seen reports about like Wentz and the
(06:46):
Chiefs maybe looking at bringing him in because God forbid
something happens to your starter.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
You don't want your entire season.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Be derailed if you feel like you have a really
good team, and the Cowboys do have a good team,
So there could be some justification there for saying, hey,
we want to have some depth. We want to have
some guy, the guy that we feel really good about,
you know, as he sits and watches Dak and learning
from and he has a similar skill set like the
comp When I was watching Trey Lance, but he was
coming out from North Coast State, I was like, reminds
(07:13):
me a lot of Dak Prescott, like the way he
ran the football and the way you know, kind of
threw the football round. But then then then you hear
like and Jury starts saying, oh, we were kind of
trying to get on a Jailen hurts there too, and
it's wait, wait a second.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Did you have Dak then like hold on, hold on now,
like how committed really are you?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
I mean right now, he's under contract obviously for the
next couple of seasons, and it's a monumental dead cap hit.
If they were just straight out outright cut him and
move on next year, it's like like sixty two million.
So like he's under contract, he's got a couple of
voidable years at the end with a team ask control,
so he's really not an unrestricted free agent until twenty
(07:56):
twenty five. But it's really structured where the Cowboys and
not move on. It's really hard to trade him because
his cap hit is so big. His cappit in twenty
twenty four is fifty nine million. So really the way
his deal is structured at this point after this year,
depending on how it goes, it's going to be restructured.
(08:18):
It has to be like they don't want to have
to absorb almost sixty million against the cap in twenty
twenty four. So if he does well, he'll get extended,
they'll restructure and you'll see additional years and you know what,
those moneys will be tagged onto it, and that caphit
will be reduced. If he doesn't, I'll be curious to
(08:39):
see what happens, you know, moving.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Forward, Cooper Rush played pretty well last year. It's kind
of interesting that they would need well, Okay, I mean
they come on, they were winning games with Cooper Rush,
at least they did as a backup quarterback too. So
he's gone out. He was four and one as a
starter last year.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Cooper Rush, you know Rush Rush? Ooh what you do
to me? He was winning?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Rush?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is that Paul Abdul?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, that was a good song. That was the first
day lough right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The fact that the fact that they brought in Trey
Lance to compete for the backup quarterback job when he
had a backup quarterback who was serviceable last year, it's just.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Kind of that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
It kind of leads to maybe this wasn't about just compete.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You're trying to like hype it up like he was
carrying them. I don't know that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Like there was like a lot of people that had
Cooper Rush and their MVP conversations.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Some people even had conversations of why I bring back
the other guy? I agree, you.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Realized they held their opponents of those four wins to
seventeen points or less.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, because his last name is Rush and you.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Rushed the quartus rush.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, and he kept you know, he kept the offense
off the field, you know, Yeah, because he was doing
so well as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, so he did.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Fine. I'm not I'm not trying to like hate. I'm
just saying, like, let's let's calm down here.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm just saying he's number two on the depth chart
even with this blockbuster.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Trade MVP considerations from some people.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I mean, all it takes is for Dak to go
down and then the MVP races.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's back on and Dak Deak has possibly go down,
has had some injury issues, you know what. You know
what this does say though, that the number two competition
between Sam Darnold and Trey Lance must have been such
a wipeout, Yeah, that they didn't even It wasn't even
(10:38):
unless Trey Lance made it to the point to where
he it would be awkward if he was a backup
quarterback to Brock Purty but this this feels like he
got dominated in that backup.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
John, don't let Sam Darr get an opportunity in that offense.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I'm just telling you he'll he's got a ball out
if he plays in Shanahan's system.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
You've seen a little bit in preseason.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I'm just telling you, I think he's his skill set
and the style of offense and how Kyle can work
around all that. I'm telling you, man, he'll be really
good in that system. If something happens to Purty or
if he starts to kind of cool off.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Can you guys think of a comp where a team
gave up the amount that they gave up to move
up to draft a guy and this is what the
end result was a couple of years later. Can you
think of this ever happening in the NFL before, Because
I can't think of all the draft capital they gave up, no,
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and then to get basically bailed out by the last
pick of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was awkward too listening to John Lynch speak about
Trey Lance, like, oh, he just spoke so highly of him. Man,
He's just such a great guy, and you know, it's
just unfortunate that we had to you know, go this
direction with it, and he talked about how aggressive and
(11:59):
how much Dallas wanted him and giving up that tremendously
large fourth round draft pick to bring him in, and
just everything that played a part in him ending up
in Dallas, like it was an opportunity that they just
couldn't pass up with, you know, with Trey Lance. It
just it just made you just start to wonder. Like, honestly,
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you know, some people could see it as bad for football.
I actually see it as good. I thought it was.
It was an interesting move, it was an aggressive move,
and it almost seems as though they may have cut
him at the end of this this offseason, like or
at the end of this preseason, that they would have
(12:45):
let him go. I mean, it just seemed like they
weren't even going to hold on to him. And I
think that that's kind of it's such a different time.
I mean, you tell me, Q, but I almost feel
like when a quarterback of that high of a draft
stock ends up with this type of of fate and
(13:07):
their their their original their original landing place where they
got drafted, it just says to me that the NFL
is taking on a more less loyal, more aggressive approach
to what it is that they would like to achieve one.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Hundred percent, right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
I think it's it's never become harder for young quarterbacks
to try to go in and succeed, at least in
the aspect of the expectations are through the roof immediately.
I mean, we talked about CJ. Stroud earlier being named
the starter. If if he doesn't look to be the
part there, there are gonna be people who write him off,
(13:51):
which is incredibly unfair to him, or Bryce Young or
Anthony richardson, any of the rookie quarterback that's going to
start out the gate, right.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I mean, I don't care like who you are. It
takes time.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Everyone's got a different learning curve, everyone's in a different
situation in circumstance, And unfortunately we see just so many
people now have the expectation that like they're going to
come in from day one and be able to make
their team a Super Bowl contender, and there's just so
much that goes into it. So it's unfortunate for Trey.
(14:24):
Lance and Jonas did a really good job of painting
the picture of you know, how he performed in the
limited action that he saw. I mean, the reality is,
but he had two starts back in twenty twenty one,
wasn't too bad. He got what two starts in twenty
twenty two last year and and didn't look as good. Right,
(14:47):
one of those was in a monsoon in Chicago, which
if you're going to hold Trey Lance to that standard,
you should probably hold justin fields to that.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Standard like a legitimate man.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, like thro neither threw well on.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That hold your field, which is.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
But that's the problem is you have so many nerds
who are like box score videos like well good stats,
Like all right, nerd, go back to mama, Nerd, go
watch the tape and tell me that you were expecting
your quarterback to have a perfect ritting after those conditions.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Nerd.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
By the way, Monson on the worst field condition to
the NFL, like a solid.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Slide Soldier field.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
So but my point is this is like nerd, between
him getting injured and then I guess in the second
year not seeing the progression you'd hope for, which really
only came down to like one start of the two
he had, you kind of look at it and go,
all right, we've got this other guy who's a lot cheaper,
and we've got Nick Bosa, We've got a number of
(15:48):
the really good players who'd like to build around. And
if we can go ahead and utilize Brock Proty on
his rookie deal, that's a lot cheaper while we build
these other contracts. And if we can find a backup
for relatively cheap, which they did, Sam Darnold, we're kind
of good at moving on. Let's just cut our losses
and move on. We can't change the decision that we made.
And again I've said this and I will continue to
(16:10):
say it. I still think their trade up to number
three was it with an entirely different intent, and that's
why probably internally there's not as much pressure or heat
on the decision to trade away those draft picks to
go to that spot because I again I think it
was in an attempt to lure the packers and the
(16:32):
trader of Aaron Rodgers and going up there, and once
the green Bay deal fell through, they were stuck in
that spot of taking Trey Lance like they did.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
So look, hindsight's what you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
But as far as what they what they gave up
to go get them, I mean, they just felt like
they're in a different situation now to go win a
Super Bowl, and they've got a guy in Brock pretty
they believe it. So why not allow Trey Lance an
opportunity go somewhere else where he can continue his career.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I think that. Look, John Winch is a genuine guy.
I think there's a lot of genuine.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Comments he made about Trey Lance and how he feels
towards him. So, look, I'm glad Trey Lance got a
landing spot in Dallas. I do think that's a good
situation for him. He could have been dealt to other places.
And this is a this is a legit one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
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Coming up in about twenty minutes from now we are
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about there. I'm sure Lee will be a star during
the FSRIR coming up in about twenty minutes from now
here on Fox Sports Radio. But we've mentioned this and
brought this up before about Arizona State and the Herm
Edwards era there and just maybe some comparisons between that
and Jim Harbaugh. Well, apparently they have followed suit with
(18:37):
what the self imposed punishment process is like, as Jim
Harbaugh is now suspended for the first three games. But
don't worry, he's got like four different coaches filling in
for him. He's got his dad on the staff. It's
just a family affair there at Michigan for the first
couple of games of this upcoming season. But Arizona State
they will not play in a bowl game self, imposing
(18:59):
a one year bowlban on Sunday morning, and so that
was sort of their acknowledgment. This according to Pete Thamil,
who covers He's the Famil Camel, as Brady calls him,
covers college football for ESPN. Yeah, but this goes back
to the you know, just the investigation into her Meedwards
and recruiting tactics and things like that. So the Arizona
(19:21):
State Sun Devils no bowl game for them this upcoming year,
So another bulletsh Arizon.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Kind it kind of feels convenient.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean, Jonas want to bring up their schedule, we
can kind of look at what maybe their outlook is
this year.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Like I would.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Imagine their win loss total is probably somewhere at six
and a half seven.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And a half. Okay, let's let's do so much. Just
still qualify you for some type of a bowl game.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Hell yeah, you got you got to get the six wins.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
But if it's at six and a half, five and
a half, somewhere in there, I mean, the Pac twelve
is really deep.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
This year.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So I mean, at Michigan State, six wins will get
you like ninety million dollars depending on who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So boy, sorry the my mic goes off.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Shots fired.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I just I feel like this is a move that
I'm very similar to Michigan in some sense of what
they're doing right now, but also different where they they're
hoping that the NCAA acts more kindly to them in
the future when they feel like, you know, you've got
a new head coach there, but you feel like you're
in a better spot recruiting, building your program moving forward.
(20:24):
You know they're gonna have a freshman quarterback starting for them,
and Jaden and Reshata, there's gonna be a lot of youth,
lot of newness. Clearly USC and Utah are two of
the teams to beat, but I would even imagine to
say there's there's a I mean between Oregon and Washington,
all the schools out there right now, they're loaded. Arizona
State is probably the bottom of the pack. So if
you're gonna, if you're gonna try to self impose a bullpan,
(20:47):
maybe this is the year.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
By the way I'm seeing in some places there season
win totals four and a half.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
So there you go like, like the perception of this
team is not good. And so if if even the
odds makers are saying we were we're not taking we're
not taking you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
To be bull ultimus here.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
If you're if you're the you know, if you're the
athletic department, you're like, why don't we just go ahead
and self and post a bull band seem in the
NCAA doesn't hurt us as much?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah? Uh, I think we actually did bring up the
comparison when the whole situation took place with Harball as
well to to Arizona State, and you know, and that's
why I sat there and said, I feel like there's
maybe more that's going to come out that it's possible
(21:38):
to be discussed in a public form as it applies
to what took place with Michigan. Because if it were
if you can bet the bank, if you're talking about
an accusation that was kind of downplayed or downgraded to
saying it was just getting somebody some burgers and fries,
you can you can ultimately draw a conclusion that more
(22:00):
took place. It's just a mad matter how much more
it was. And if it's so egregiously bad that you
have to go down a a much harsher you know.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You think it was like Hugh Freeze bad.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't know why what did you do?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Oh? I don't know? Jonas, like, why don't you elaborate
on that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What do you mean? I listen?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I mean, what do I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Robert can DJ fell out of a window. It's on
his fault. You got some bad weed? What do you want?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
That wasn't probably what was the most egregious tried?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
A number of calls made to a specific service.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
See, I thought you'd be up on this kind of
tim mad cerial you're.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Up on Well, I forgot about that one because who else?
Who else was involved in that?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Just the story goes LeVar.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Apparently there is like a number of times a specific
number was called for certain services, and there's there's a
claim to ignorance.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
They just had the wrong number, you even though.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
There's multiple, Yes, multiple multiple calls were made.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Track Act.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
By the way, was it an eight hundred number, a.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Nine hundred number?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't even know if it was like one of those.
It was a local you know.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Just a local number.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Burn.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh Now were those four Hugh or were they for others?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
They were for me? Oh no, you're saying Hugh for me?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
For you like that?
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I think they're for you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay, what they could have been?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
I said, Hugh, Yeah, they're for you.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
What were they? What were they?
Speaker 6 (23:51):
By the way, are people are specializing being very specific
set of skills you.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Know what not to because obviously kind.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Of like like like Liam Neeson and taking, but not
specifically that, but very similar.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You get taken.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
They're very very good at their job.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You will get taken somewhere.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's that's you know, there were like two hundred kidneys
delivered to a hospital the other day. Did you hear
about that? I was talking to Vito about that. It
sounded funny because I was like, you know, it made
me immediately think about that number that you guys were
talking about and the friends the helpline that that that
they you know, they were getting on and I was like, man,
you know there was a time in Vegas where people
(24:34):
were waking up on ice because they had to remember
they was drugging them up and then they take their
body parts. Yeah, by the way, like they were making
that call to that number. They come hang out and
they literally was doing the limnice like taking like your
body parts.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Anythink that hangover felt like you're waking up.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Somebody beat me up, Like why do I have stitches
right here falling down last night?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know you're missing an Oregon not Oregon people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Then four again, go Ducks.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Hey, you know Arizona State only plays four road games
this year.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's kind of weird. They've only played they don't they
don't go on the road.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
They only play four road games.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yes, yeah, that's why I'm slipping. Are we seeing some
value here? Like they got that many home games. They're
at home the entire month of September until the final.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Which is huge because of how hot it is.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
That plays to their advantage a little bit.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Man, that place is sweltering here a little.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, And if you want to go to that
first game against Southern Utah this upcoming weekend tickets there
was a little as six bucks.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Are they really?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, dude, it's so hot out there. I Mean, here's
the thing.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
If you if you're a student at asked you you
might as well just go pay six dollars instead of
going to a tanning bed and just going to play
out in the stands, because they don't pretty much have
the same effect.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is Arizona stayed the place where I think maybe you
and Petros are talking about doing a game there.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Well, my god, it wasn't like it's not like this now.
But they had a temporary ac uh set up, so
like they didn't have any ac in the booth. And
I got up there and I had a jacket and
I looked at Joe Davis.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I'm like, uh, I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
I was like, I will literally be it would be
dripping from my forehead if I try to do this.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And so they brought in this temporary.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Unit where they had like the hose kind of around it,
just blowing at us like like that was gonna do much.
So that was the hottest game I'd ever been a
part of as a player. I've coached in like EA
Sweat Shrine and some other stuff, But I mean that
was the hottest game of any sort of ever been
a part of at any level of football.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm calling the Penn State West Virginia game.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Are Yeah, with the great TJ.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Reeves, my guys, former Fox Sports radio host.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Kind of excited to do it.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, you should be excited. It's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think it's a pretty cool game. I think it'll
be a fun game. It's a lot of excitement being generated.
I'll tell you that we got we got some dogs
on our team. Geez, I mean geez, dogs everywhere. The
King Brothers, Stick City the fourth. What time now that
(27:20):
game's on Saturday? What time do you have to get
out later on? It's a bit of a hike, right,
It's a late night to get to stay college.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
But I'm going to go.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm come in and probably come in from from Harrisburg,
most likely because Harrisburg might be a little bit more
fun to go to Zimbi's and have some LeVar Islands.
That's where the official LeVar Island actually resides. So yeah,
I go to Zimbi's and probably get faded and then
hope that you know, I wake up.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
What are you gonna do, buddy? Faded?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like when I was planning off the Maryland with the
LeVar Islands in the island with my island there. But uh,
but I am I'm going to find a way to
get it done this weekend. And by the way, we'll
call that game.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah at State you should go to uh, you know,
Graduate Hotels. They got a location at State College there,
you know. I mean that's a that's a fun place
to go hang out, get get fired up for the game.
Little West Virginia Penn State open up the year. What
do you think, what do you think attendance is going
to be, Like, it's going to be grand.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, it's going to ye. Yeah, this is this is
a big enough game, like the people are familiar with,
like we know that West Virginia is a is a
formidable adversary. Like that's not like going to be a cakewalk.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's one of the better games this weekend because there's
not a lot of seemingly competitive games outside of you know,
maybe Florida State.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
They're always spreads.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean week one spreads are tough though.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
That's the thing, like West Virginia is when lost total
is probably what at four and a half, five and
a half, I don't know, but I would imagine it's
just it's a Power five program, you know, you got
to play in week one. There's always some wrinkles, you know,
I know Drew Awler's got some experience, but now he's
he's got to do it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah four and a half or West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, well I look at like I said, I do this,
It's my job. I was.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I was watching Minnesota film preparing for our Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Game we got.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I'll tell you what, man, a little young quarterback last
year played. He can sling it. These kids, man, Like
I can't get over.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
I was talking with some of the guys just about
how the throwing motion for quarterbacks had like changed at
the end of like my my NFL career to the
point where it's just it's different. But all these kids
all have like very similar kind of armsloughts form and
they could just rip it and it's it's so it's different.
(29:49):
It's completely different taught how it was back when I
was growing up, and it's it's awesome to see it
because now you see like the it's more of a
level playing field because you have a lot of quarterbacks
you can sling it. Before you really did. Like this
is one case where like specialization in a sport has
really helped propel I think more parody in college football.
(30:09):
If I'm not mistaken and maybe you can find the
statter leak and maybe look this up. Of the Power
five programs, I want to say over more than half
their starting quarterback is a transfer. And it's literally allowed
more teams to be competitive because of that, because you
just got a better player at that position, which is
(30:31):
obviously pretty important.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It should like just to see the quarterback position and
the fact that college football is here and you're seeing
obviously Sam Hartman and everything, and you're just seeing how
many of these guys you know, they'll push off graduating
because they want to make sure that Listen, I got
one more year left of eligibility. I want to get
it done and I want to get.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
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Speaker 1 (31:18):
Tell them we sent you forty three of the sixty
nine Power five starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's sixty two percent our traps. Think about that, dude,
a lot of loyalty.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Man, Come on, man, don't make it like that. Don't
make it like that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean it's cold blooded, but that's a hard fact
right there.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Yeah, but come on, like play they want to play
like and other positions have had a bunch of like
by the way, wide receivers like they're they're looking to
leave as soon as they're a lower school and they,
you know, they have a good season, they will yam out.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Did they call it? They call that the bru McCoy,
don't they That's what they call that for wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
You know, Well, he'll be.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Organs, who's the tight end for Oregon, who's on his
eighth year of eligibility or ninth year, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I mean he's a tight end. I think it's like
his ninth year. Cam McCormick.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, Cam McCormick just celebrated his thirty sixth birthdays just
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Years old.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
So he's like old Sammy Hartman, my guy. Yeah, he
looked like the older statesman out there.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
He looked good though. I mean, but old people play
college football all the time. Like I said, we had
a Navy seal.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Yeah, they just have to be Mormon.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, we had a Navy seal that was like he
was old as hell for being real slates.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Later you see all the time.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Look, I have very rarely come across And by the way,
this is either this year or next year will be
the last year of six years because they won't have
the additional year from COVID. So like it's a rarity,
Like you're really not going to see players at least
I guess in the respect of playing into a sixth year,
you're not.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Going to see that anymore. You might see some.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Older players, especially those who go off on a mission
or something if they're of the Mormon faith and they
come back, but you're not going to see guys are
who are having six years.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And here's the other thing, Like people.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Will put up stats from from I'm like, well, yeah,
the guy should have a lot of stats.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
He's played six years.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But you might get a military guy or something like
that that actually went and served for like to you know,
two tours or whatever, and they'll come back and they
still have eligibility to play. Yeah, every once in a
while that.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I mean because usually they're they're you know, Navy, Army,
air Force, and then they they deplay after that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Like I said, I got my shrunken head from from
a Navy c A real one.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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(35:45):
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Speaker 3 (36:05):
After your sports weekend happens, so it's time to get
the FSR IR report.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
All right, who's got something? Who wants to go? Watched
the vent?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean I could vent the whole entire day, last
part of the segment on my IR, but it wouldn't
be any good. I don't I don't want to put
all that out there in the world. But I guess
an easier an easier IR probably would be. I got
a little hit up by the sun yesterday. I made
(36:40):
yesterday a pool day, so I sat in my little
floaty floaty doughnut and then there was a lounger that
I put my head and my arms on and I
fell asleep. And well, I got a lot of sun.
I took in a lot of sun, and I didn't
eat very much yesterday day. But the amount of heat
(37:02):
and sun that I got, I was vomiting last night. Really, yeah,
my stomach was. It's still kind of messed up right now,
So you're throwing up just because you got too much sun? Yeah? Yeah,
got sick, like my head was hurting, had like a
head egg, got sunsick, was throwing out. Well, now you know,
(37:24):
there you go. At least I'm putting the throwing up
on the sunset. I mean, I did drink while I
was in I was drinking the bar islands while I
was in the pool before finishing up a few of
them and then relaxing. And maybe that's what I missed.
Yeah I didn't say that. And I smoked a cigar.
(37:44):
Okay that probably that might have been what it was.
So there you go. I took the entire the entire
segment to tell you guys about this, about it.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
It's good. We liked it.
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