September 12, 2023 • 36 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers goes down with what appears to be an Achilles injury, only 4 snaps into his career as a Jet. LaVar asks if it’s alright to eat Birthday cake when it’s nobody’s birthday. Josh Allen has developed a serious turnover problem. Plus, possible free agent pickups on “Would You Rather?”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar airings and a rating win and
Jonas Knox on Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So we had the game of the night in the
world of sports. It was the Bills, it was the Jets,
it was the Aaron Rodgers debut. It was September eleventh,
Rogers running out onto the field with an American flag
and met life, all the hype, all the conversation, and
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Went crashing, Yeah, crashing down in a heap of fire.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Four plays, goes down with an injury, and the fear
is that it is a season ending injury for Rogers,
that it will be an achilles injury that will be
revealed via MRI coming up later on today. Robert Sala,
the head coach, spoke about the injury and spoke about
the situation following the game and just talked about how
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he feels seeing Rogers go out the way he did.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
All right, I'll deal with the quarterback real quick. Concerned
with his achilles. MRI is probably gonna confirm what we
think is already gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So prayers tonight. But it's not good. That part sucks.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm enjoy this when winning in the NFL is hard,
regardless of who the quarterback is. Personally, I don't hurt
for me. I don't hurt for our locker room. I
hurt for Aaron and how much he's invested in all
of this.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold
that home. But you know, my heart's with Aaron right
now and nowhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I mean, they did win the game, So that was
the winning sides coach talking. We're going to get to
the losing sides coach at some point because there's some
real question marks about his quarterback. But as it pertains
to this game, the storyline obviously is Rogers, at thirty
nine years old, dealing with what appears to be a
season ending injury. This is something you've dealt with in
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your career, LeVar, It sucks, man. That was a real bummer,
and you could tell just by the look that he
gave as soon as he went back down to the turf.
I just was watching and thinking, Oh, that's it. It's
gonna go just like this four plays in, and that's
that's gonna be it for Aaron Rodgers this year that sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Sucks for him, all right, where do we start with this?
Do we start with the injury? Do we do we
rewind to Green Bay? Do we like? Where do we
That was the first thing I asked myself when I
saw the injury take places, like when we do the
show tomorrow, where do we start first and foremost thoughts
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in prayers is what I came up with. Right like you,
you want them to have a speedy recovery whatever the
injury may be, and that's most likely where you start.
The second place I ended up going to was Green Bay.
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Just saw Jordan Love have a very nice outing in
their opener, and people are high on the prospects of
what Jordan Love can represent for Green Bay, which led
me to my thought. Connected to Green Bay, whether people
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like it or not, Gundakuns and others, Murphy are probably
sitting somewhere like we dodged a bullet and may have
realized that, you know, in everything that was taking place,
that the possibility existed that that's where Aaron Rodgers was
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at in his career. You don't know what type of
information that these these teams hold on the health of
these players. That was not the most insanely ridiculous tackle
Jonas like his legs got caught. And you know, an
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Achilles type injury can happen any type of way, but
it almost like you almost felt like it was possible
that from prior injuries that this could be something that
was the injury could be imminent for Aaron Rodgers, is
what I'll say. And so to me, you look at
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you look at the way everything unfolded. He left practice
with a lower leg injury during camp.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, at some point he's had calf issues pop up
the past couple of years, and I think a couple
of different times in camp to where you know, we
were making the joke like well, you know he's got calves,
must be nice, and then now you see it and
you go you look at the side angle. There's a
slow motion side angle that's making the rounds on social media.
You can see the Achilles explode. You can see the
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side and the pop and you can almost see it
shoot back up into his calf, and so I don't
I wonder it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So the thing about it is is calf injuries and
lower or calf problems. Lower problems generally generally are leading
towards you getting it, and I know first hand you
generally are heading towards a pop a rupture and and
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so it's unfortunate that it took place for Aaron Rodgers.
It's unfortunate for the Jets because now we don't get
to see what they would have been if they had
Aaron Rodgers. Every every story doesn't turn out like Tom
Brady's story, It really doesn't. There there are harsh realities
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that are connected to play in the game of football.
It happened, and it's it's unfortunate for Aaron Rodgers to
be in a situation like this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So let me just add, because obviously you have direct
knowledge because you suffered the Achilles injury, what is the
rehab like? Because I have heard that rehab for an
achilles is brutal.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the surgery is painful, the recovery is painful, and
the rehab is painful. It's all painful, and it just
depends on what your your tolerance and your threshold for
pain is. But you got to break up the scar
tissue and your heel. You have to work to get
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the mobility back and the flexibility of the foot and
the ankle. You have to build your calf back up.
My calf is still small from from that injury. I
felt like it was like letting an air out of
a tire, which I don't know what it's like to
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have a tire obviously, but I've driven on I've driven
on a car that was losing air in the tire,
and you know how it feels. Yeah, right. I just
felt like I had no air in my leg, like
no bounce, like my it just wasn't alive. And I
like limped for like two three years man, before before
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I really kind of got to a point of where
I could walk normal. It's a hell of an injury, man,
It's probably one of the worst injuries you can get,
and people come back from them all the time. I mean,
Kobe played through a rupture one time, obviously, historically speaking,
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It's just it's a complicated injury, and at his age, Jonas,
I just don't know why the hell you would try
to come back from an Achilles rupture, a full full
Achilles rupture. I don't know why you try to I'm
back from it. So then the next question is what
does this mean for his career, you know, and does
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he come back or does he retire? Is that the
note he goes out on. You know, it is kind
of the reality of that injury is it's it's that's
a hard rehab. Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I can't imagine if this is going the way that
everybody expects it to be in its season ending. I
can't imagine that he wants to go out like that.
I really can't. I just I look at it and
I think that he had such he was so excited
about the potential of playing in New York. But he
just was quoted as saying, yeah, I could see playing
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until I'm forty five, Like it just rejuvenated And I
don't know if it's a direct shot at the Packers,
but there was something about being with the Jets that
just freshened up his feelings about playing and wanting to
be in the National Football League. And the idea that
he's going to walk away after four plays on an
injury like this, I just I find it hard to believe.
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Now how effective he is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It sounds horrible for that to be the way it
would end. But at his age, Like how old is.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
He thirty nine?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't know, man, thirty nine with wear and tear,
and he's been banged up before, and I think this
is if I'm not missing I mean, he's suffered a
couple of different injuries, you know, just early in seasons.
There was a collarbone issue, there was a knee issue
that he suffered. He'd like, he's dealt with some stuff
that's knocked him out and he's missed significant time. And honestly,
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you know, like one of the first things I thought
of after you started to see the reports and you
started to see the concern that he wasn't going to
come back, and then he's being carted off out of
the blue tent. Doesn't this just showcase how incredible Brett
Farv's run was as quarterback. How many games he played
in a row, My god, man, like you need there's
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got to be some Obviously the durability is a factor,
but there's also got to be a little bit of
luck that goes out.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Almost I was the one that almost broke that streak.
Did you know that, Oh, if he didn't have a
bye week after they played against US, I folded him
up nice and neatly and sent him over to to
the to the sideline. If they didn't have a bye week,
he would have missed that next week, and and I
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would have been the one responsible for breaking his record,
but it did happened.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You should put that, You should put that in your
Twitter bio, like if not for a bye week, I
folded up Brett Favre and what a ruined his.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Nice nice and neat too, Bro, It wasn't sloppy, I like,
carry on, it was, it was neat. He did have
a hell of a run. It takes. I hate the
word luck because I'm not a big I'm not a
big believer in luck. I just think you make your luck.
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But in some cases like that was bad luck. For
him to get hit and rolled up on like that
and for it to pop the way that it did
in that circumstance, that's bad luck. And like he that's
just that's he didn't have luck on his side.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So you brought up you know, when you have the
calf issue and stuff down there starts to you know,
hurt or you deal with pain or different issues.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It gets tight. Yeah. I was on the stretching board
every day, like two three times a day on the
stretching board, stretching my calf out. So we stretched my calf.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
When you said that it reminded me of when Richard
Sherman did his achilles in a game, and I want
to almost positive was a Thursday night game, but I
remember he did his achilles and he kind of gave
the I told you so as he was coming off
the field like one of those, because I think he
was dealing with the same stuff to where it just
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didn't feel right. He felt like there was some tightness there,
there was something going on, and then ultimately he got
to the game and it popped and he lost the
rest of his season. And I think that was later,
obviously later in his career with I think it was
the Seahawks, It could have been the Niners. Been almost
positive was Seattle. But the point being, he knew something's
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going to happen, like something's about to happen here. This
is a problem. And I just wonder if Rogers felt
that because this is a couple of different times this
has popped up. And look, not wishing this on anybody,
but man, Joe Burrow dealt with calf issues this offseason.
He missed several weeks. I just wonder if there's something
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to that from a medical standpoint that once you start
to deal with that stuff, maybe you need to take
more time than when.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He did it. Yeah, so versus the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That sucks, man, But it's a bummer and it's man.
Four plays, four plays, four plays in Like, we just
spent the whole entire first segment talking about Aaron Rodgers
and his achilles tend that when that was a hell
of a recovery for.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The New York Jets to be able to bounce back.
I mean, if I'm Zach Wilson talk about having to
stay prepared and stay ready in the midst of what
has literally been a brutal last you know, year for
him in terms of how he's viewed what has taken
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place and where he ends up. And listen, I don't
I don't look at him as being the catalyst per se.
The defense was the catalyst of winning that game, but
he had to make some big throws down the end
of the game for them to get into position to
do some of the things that they were able to do.
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So he did deliver in some aspects of all of this,
and they were able to get through the game and
win the game against a quality opponent. I mean that
got that got lost, and I think it gets lost
because we probably all know that that's the demise. I
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don't mean to laugh about, but I think we all
know that that's the demise of the jetson.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh jeez, I.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Mean, and they do have some talent. Oh yeah, they
do have some talent.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And that was a fun game last night.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
There was that catch was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Garrell was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Ridiculous, He's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
AIP cash you a question, Hell yeah, By the way, first,
before you get to the question, you know what time
it is?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right? What time is it?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Lotion time? Baby? Doing it right now?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Is soft and boy? Lotion boy? Wow?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Soft lotion boy?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Hey? Can I ask you look at those hands? Do
you like birthday Do y'all like birthday cake? And if so,
what flavor?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I used to like the one my mom would do
this bird. She was really good at doing cakes, and
she would do this one where you would wrap and
it would have ice cream in the middle in between
each layer.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And it would almost ice cream birthday cakes.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, like an ice cream swirl. It was like a
swirl birthday cake. I forget what you call it. Yeah,
but it's uh huh damn you.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Do you like like white cake like yellow cake?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I know Lee doesn't for some reason. Really, Yeah, he
doesn't like white cake. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh my god, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I was just curious yellow I love yellow cake, chocolate fright,
and the frosting like when it's at room temperature.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But the yellow cake's got to have the chocolate frosting
on the top more so than the white frost.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't like chocolate. I don't like chocolate frosting or cake.
I don't know why I don't like it. Yeah, but
I was going to ask, do you feel like it's
inappropriate to have birthday cake when it's not a birthday.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, it's just a cake. What makes it a birthday
cake is the candle?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Isn't it design on top?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think they're caught like sheet cakes or I don't know.
I mean you could use them for other things like
anniversaries and stuff like that. But I was just curious, like,
do you have to have a festivity plant or connected
to having a birthday cake.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Nah, I don't think so bake a cake unless it's
like an angel food cake. You could have any time,
but like a celebratory cake, you gotta have something to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is the angel food one? The really soft one?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I used to like those.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I used to be into those.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Were you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, I'm telling my mom was a great base. She
could do really good cakes. Good, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I was just curious because I mean, so we got
back from Penn State State College and my youngest daughter,
Penn was like, Dad. She's like, Dad, I've got a
great idea. And I was like, what, Let's get a birthday.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Cake, a yellow one.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And I was like, my gosh, that is a brilliant idea, daughter,
And we ordered a birthday cake.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Good. Like, I like where her head's at. She's like,
why not. I don't need to there's no birthday coming up.
We don't need to celebrate anything.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I mean, it was my daughter went out, my older
daughter went out and got it, and she brought back
literally a birthday cake for twenty people. It's like a
big one, Like I don't need these calories, you know,
I don't need these calories, but she brought it in anyway, nonetheless,
And it's really when they're at room temperature. When they're cold,
they're not as good like when you get them, they're
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like and they were like refrigera rated. But when you
let them get the room temperature, if it's a really
good cake at room temperature. See, this is my inner
fat boy coming out right now, right because my outer
fat boy is gone, but my inner fat boy still
is alive, and I still have to fight with my
interfat boy. And let me tell you something, I've been
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crushing that cake, crushing it every time I go in
the kitchen. It's like, get a drink of water, get
a get a couple of forks of cake. But anyways,
I just wanted to I was just wondering, do you
need a festivity to get birthday cake?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, because also you remember, for people that are new
to this show, there was at one point you were
doing a show and I believe Pennsylvania, and you were
at a different studio and you walked into the kitchen
of that and took the and that was a legitimate
birthday cake that had somebody's name written. Yes, yes, helped himself.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
To help myself to a big old piece too. It
was a big old piece.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Seven seven to fifteen Eastern time. And Levar's like, well,
I don't know who Teresa is, but I'll have some
of her cake.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Walking. I go walking back into the break room, I
hear them talking around the water like somebody took a
big ass piece of Teresa's cake.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, who are these hooligans?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
We hadn't even saying happy birthday yet. Let me just
creep on right on back out. Hope they have cameras
up here.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, he's got savages here in these parts. Yeah, that cake,
Yeah it was, it seemed like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But there are some people like big cakes and I
cannot laugh.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Who doesn't. Now, are you a big fan of like turnovers?
Apple turnovers? Are you just a bi?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay? So we're getting into that because your boy.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I was gonna say, I mean, you know, I don't
know if your daughter is still out and about at
the store, but if she sees a Josh Allen turnover,
I think there's four.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Left Josh Allen Buffalo wing Apple apples, apple turnover.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
God man, So he's on so over the last and
I think I have this right. Over the last nineteen games,
he's got thirty seven turnovers. Wow, so we're looking at
about two a clip, so you can count on him
giving you the football at least a couple of times
every game. He had four more turnovers last night, three interceptions,
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he had a cough. I mean all of them were
cost costly. Fumble, Yeah, the fumble was bad.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Fumble was super costly.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, it's becoming a thing now with Josh Allen
over the past year plus. And this was an issue
that he had early in his career, and so of
course Josh Allen was asked about it afterwards by the media,
and this is how it sounded.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Josh, the four turnovers, Was that something due they did
or is that just you maybe force the ball trying
to force the ball on.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
A little bit and trying to force the ball. Yeah,
same same place, different day. I heard our team to night,
I cost our team to night, And it feels early
similar to last year, and I hate that it's the same.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So let me at least.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He's being Some people could get away with that. Some
people can't, you know, Josh Allen is one of those
type guys. And I'm not making it racial. Bro. I
know you're mind. I'm not making it, Rachel. I'm just
saying some quarterbacks like if if if Russell Wilson. Let
me think of somebody who isn't Russell Wilson, Uh quarterback? Yeah,
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let me think of Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence could get
away with saying that, right, you know what I mean?
Like or well, well, who couldn't get away with saying that.
Let's see, Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Jay Cutler back in the day, couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He could not get away with that. Jay Cutler would
not be able to get away with just saying what
what what Josh Allen just said? And give them credit
for owning it. You know, some guys just don't own
when when they you know, have have been costly. But
that doesn't that does not, that does not take you
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away from from the culpability of what took place. Now,
you know what I mean that you were probably one
of the singular, singular pieces of it that led to
them losing the game. I mean, it was New York's
defense that was the catalyst of them winning that game.
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And Josh Allen was a contributor to that defensive effort.
So then you ask yourself the question is this is
this a trend that is going to continue or is
this something that he can actually correct? Because I'll tell
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you what, you turn over the ball four times, there's
not very many teams you're going to be able to
beat in the National Football League turning it over that
many times. So where do you go from here? Like,
what is what is the solution to that? So, I
mean a lot of them were like punts, you know,
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they were punt type of interceptions. He threw them into
the end zone. But still you got to protect the
ball way way way better than that if you're going
to have success, especially at the rate that at the
level that that Buffalo is hoping to have success at.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So there's a number that's out there that the team
that wins the turnover.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Battle usually wins the game.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wins the game seventy percent of the time. So if
you just think about that, and I remember we talked
about this, you know a few years ago when I
was doing the show straight out of Vegas, and the
point that they were making was if you look at
it like this, you're more likely to win a football
game if you win the turnover battle than you are
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if you have the lead at half. So just think
about that, the game's half over, you're leading the game,
and you're less likely to win that game than if
you just win the turnover battle. And the fact that
this guy is at two eclip the last nineteen games,
it's not like we're just at a small sample size.
I mean that's nineteen games. He's got thirty seven, thirty
eight turnovers, whatever it is. So if you're the Bills,
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you're just up against it constantly because Josh Allen keeps
coughing the football up. And yeah, to your point, if
that was some other people around the NFL, the conversation
would be much different if that was enough. For example,
that was Dak Prescott. Conversation is much different, you know,
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different if that was Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Is there this correlation is much different. But you know,
it's it's not it's that it's so much a RaSE thing.
There's just there is a different way that we talk
about some quarterbacks as opposed to others. And for some reason,
Josh Allen he gets in these in these situations and
he just can't help himself. I mean, you know, and
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Stefan Diggs, you know, was talking to him, trying to
get him back to rally the team and all that,
but it's also Josh Allen's winless in overtime games.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
There's that aspect. It just there's something that's missing between
taking Josh Allen and the Bills to the next level.
And I don't know if it is his turnovers or what,
but there it feels like there's something in the way.
And I don't know what that is, but we've talked
about it this offseason, just skeptical on the Bills. It
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just feels like there's something missing and I can't put
a finger on. I don't know what it is. And
maybe it just is a quarterback who turns the ball
over too much.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I wouldn't have put it on Josh Allen per se,
because Josh Allen is probably far and away the largest reason,
the biggest part of why they win. But if you're
if you're part of the reason why they lose as well,
that's something that he's got to consciously work on. I
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mean when he threw those up there, he literally just
launched it, grew it up like it's gone, throwing it
up here we go. Hopefully it's like a prayer, like
hell Mary like, hopefully my guy comes down with it
and and we all look good at the end of
this play. And it just didn't turn out that way.
I mean, he he made the kid was that Whitehead
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or something like that? I forget.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I mean, I don't know why it's always going to
turn into this with you.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Who's the kid that got him three times? He got
him for three I.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Go ahead, Yeah it was Whitehead.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
There we go, Whitehead.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I don't know what what color ass to do the problem?
I just said, why don't know what color has to
do with anything?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I'm I mean that that's that's kind of like you
telling on yourself because that's his name.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It just you know, it feels like, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Which is interesting because he is a black man. He's
a black man with the name white Head. I mean,
but would it be better if he was a white
dude with the name white Head. I mean, I think
that would kind of sound weird.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, it would sound weird, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, I just know for me, I'd immediately start
thinking pop, like, let's let's get the popping gross the
thing that's connected the white Heads to me? You know,
But he was popping he was definitely popping and he
was popping off with three interceptions of Alan and then
just the idea of a miss snap, like okay, you
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got a miss snap. You got the ball, get the ball,
get on the ground, you know, get what you can get,
get on the ground, like you're just gonna cough the
ball up like you. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I'm not Look, I'm not gonna sit here and and
overreact too much on week one games. I mean, there
were some stuff that happened week one where you look
at it and go right, that's got long term ramifications.
The Aaron Rodgers injury long term ramifications. There's there's some
stuff that you look at and go all right, that's
going to be around for a while. Like I would
I would say the same thing about Josh Allen. It's
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the first game of the season. He's rusty, if not
for the fact that this has been what he's been
the last eighteen other games, Like this isn't just a
one off situation. So I do think it's worth at
least pointing out, acknowledging and having having the conversation about
that this has turned into a problem, like it's a
problem for the Bills.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He turns out. I mean my different day, different game,
but same same deal.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Like my favorite part to like when you mentioned, you know,
the long interceptions where he's just throwing it up, is
when I see people go, oh, well, you know it's
the same as like a punt. Well yeah, except he
turned the ball over. But I mean you could say
whatever you want, like, well, you know a punt would
have done the same thing. Well, no, a punt was intentional,
Like was the interception intentional? To Like, it's just like
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there are two different conversations, especially when you've got a
reputation for turning it over as much as he has,
and apparently it did not get fixed this offseason.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So you turn the ball over, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's just bad? Oh bad, not a good spot.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
It wasn't good. It wasn't a good look. But it
is early in the season, and you know, maybe maybe
it's something that you know, he can do better out
of dressing. But it definitely was costly in that game
last evening for sure.
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Speaker 2 (30:07):
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Speaker 1 (30:12):
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
All right, Lee de Lapp, what do we got guys?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Robert Sola said they're rolling with Zach Wilson, but as
a Jets fan, would you rather they sign in bring
in a veteran quarterback the likes of Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan,
Nick Foles, Joe Flacco who's been there before, or even
Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, uh ah man, Tom Brady would be ideal because
that would just cause so many problems and it would
just it would just show you how how what a
bunch of crap Sunday celebration was at Foxboro, even though
I don't think it is and I think he's going
to stay retired. But if he came back to play
for the Jets, oh man, what a juicy storyline there.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But other than that, definitely a juicy story.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Roll with Zach Wilson. This is your guy. You stood
by him, like, this is the guy you believe in. Like,
just go with Zach Wilson. He's been there the entire camp,
he's been there a couple of years. I mean, seems
like it makes sense to me, but who knows what
what if Carson Wentz did come back and finally the Wrongs.
Yeah he's not not on a team, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mean that has had a lot of chances, right.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, let's be real. But man, Carson Wentz comes
back and takes them to the postseason, they make a
deep run, finally get the taste out of his mouth
of watching Nick Foles. Or do they have to just
for s is and giggles? Do they bring in Carson
Wentz and Nick Foles and have him battle it out
for the job, Like why not? Let's turn this into
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something here. Look, their season's over. The Jets season is over.
So fun. Oh it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It doesn't have the same feel of expectation today.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh those those throwback Jets unis and that old Jets
logo from back in like the eighties and the nineties.
You know who I thought of when I saw the
Jets helmets last night?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh? Oh my bad, No, I.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Thought of Altoon, Remember al Tuon back in the day?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, Well for you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
They did win the game. Yeah, that was a fine game.
And that mean a fine team, I should say. And
and they only had four plays from Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
I mean that is worth noting. Yeah, they can still win.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, especially if the other quarterback gets you the ball
four times. Well, you know who they should the Jets
petition if they're looking. If that's the recipe for success,
they should petition playing Nebraska every week. Oh wow, because
their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Turns all over a lot too.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So what else we got, guys?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Other injury news?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We heard JK.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Dobbins is out for the season with his achilles injury.
There are some free agent running backs out there, Leonard Fournette,
Kareem Hunt, who would you rather sign?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Uh, we would need to see Leonard first before making
an assessment on that.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Hold on, sir, are you gonna what do you think
he got heavy?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I mean he got some birthday cake.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
He might have had some birthday cake and it wasn't
his birthday.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I mean, I feel like that's, you know, a bit
reckless here. Wow, we're gonna I'm assuming that Leonard Fournette
is in tip top shape. They eat food, don't you
that's my assumption.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I don't know, man, he might be. He might
be comfortable right now, but he might be hoping that
he's going to get an opportunity. I just don't know.
You know, you'd have to see. I'm a go Kareem Hunt.
I think that'd be the safer other.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Two I'll go with for that here, I'm not gonna
let you guys passive aggressively fat shame him on the air.
I'm gonna go lettern Fournette my guy, Leonard Fournette, Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Has anybody saying him?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Guys, would you rather get on a flight with a
sleep deprived Odell Beckham Junior or a drunk pac Man Jones?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sleep deprived because he's gonna fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I'll go pac Man Jones just because OBJ did. Like
nobody could fly because I am. I feel like pac
Man Jones. They'd probably just get up there and then
figure it out. Yeah, we'll have somebody else restrain him,
you know, like I'll go pack man. Plus you have
a couple of you have a couple of cocktails him.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Just let that man sleep. They started harassing him, like, sir,
your seat belt, Like, let that man not put a
seatbelt on if he want to go out and not
wearing the cool belt. Let him go out.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
By the way, do you wear your seat belt when
you fly every time? But you just but you just
loosen it up to where I.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Loosen it up. It's really I would never wear my
seatbelt entire time. That is is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So what's the point, you know what I mean? Like
if you can step up out.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Of it, like, oh god, let that man sleep. But
he don't want to have his seatbelt on and he's
knocked the hell out, Let that man.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Sleep, Like he could buckle it and have it wrapped
around his knees, not doing a damn thing, and they
would be okay with it. But yeah, it just feels
like it's kind of a charade.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
That's why I'm gonna take Odell all right. In fact,
I might put his buckle on him. I might buckle
him up. Loosen it up, buckle him up here. Man,
let me just put this around you man, real quick.
That's that's all man. We good. Pause. Guys.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Would you rather see the world take it over by
aliens or AI?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Aliens?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I mean when you call a AI aliens.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because I feel like AI they've got personality issues, they
can't figure out what they want to be.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
But you don't know what an alien is. Yeah, but
at least you have an idea what AI is. You
have and you know, by the way, AI is real.
You have yet to show me an alien, show me
an alien.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean, some would argue, is that the green.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Guy with the black eyes, like is that with the
little mouth? Is that?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's fine? Like I feel like also when it comes
to aliens, great kazoo. I'll take my chances physically with
an alien like I don't like.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There, I don't know what an alien is.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I know they've got pencil arms. They'll take my chances.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Oh my gosh,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar airings and a rating win and
Jonas Knox on Fox four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So we had the game of the night in the
world of sports. It was the Bills, it was the Jets,
it was the Aaron Rodgers debut. It was September eleventh,
Rogers running out onto the field with an American flag
and met life, all the hype, all the conversation, and
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Went crashing, Yeah, crashing down in a heap of fire.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Four plays, goes down with an injury, and the fear
is that it is a season ending injury for Rogers,
that it will be an achilles injury that will be
revealed via MRI coming up later on today. Robert Sala,
the head coach, spoke about the injury and spoke about
the situation following the game and just talked about how
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he feels seeing Rogers go out the way he did.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
All right, I'll deal with the quarterback real quick. Concerned
with his achilles. MRI is probably gonna confirm what we
think is already gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So prayers tonight. But it's not good. That part sucks.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm enjoy this when winning in the NFL is hard,
regardless of who the quarterback is. Personally, I don't hurt
for me. I don't hurt for our locker room. I
hurt for Aaron and how much he's invested in all
of this.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold
that home. But you know, my heart's with Aaron right
now and nowhere else.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I mean, they did win the game, So that was
the winning sides coach talking. We're going to get to
the losing sides coach at some point because there's some
real question marks about his quarterback. But as it pertains
to this game, the storyline obviously is Rogers, at thirty
nine years old, dealing with what appears to be a
season ending injury. This is something you've dealt with in
(01:57):
your career, LeVar, It sucks, man. That was a real bummer,
and you could tell just by the look that he
gave as soon as he went back down to the turf.
I just was watching and thinking, Oh, that's it. It's
gonna go just like this four plays in, and that's
that's gonna be it for Aaron Rodgers this year that sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Sucks for him, all right, where do we start with this?
Do we start with the injury? Do we do we
rewind to Green Bay? Do we like? Where do we
That was the first thing I asked myself when I
saw the injury take places, like when we do the
show tomorrow, where do we start first and foremost thoughts
(02:40):
in prayers is what I came up with. Right like you,
you want them to have a speedy recovery whatever the
injury may be, and that's most likely where you start.
The second place I ended up going to was Green Bay.
(03:00):
Just saw Jordan Love have a very nice outing in
their opener, and people are high on the prospects of
what Jordan Love can represent for Green Bay, which led
me to my thought. Connected to Green Bay, whether people
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like it or not, Gundakuns and others, Murphy are probably
sitting somewhere like we dodged a bullet and may have
realized that, you know, in everything that was taking place,
that the possibility existed that that's where Aaron Rodgers was
(03:43):
at in his career. You don't know what type of
information that these these teams hold on the health of
these players. That was not the most insanely ridiculous tackle
Jonas like his legs got caught. And you know, an
(04:04):
Achilles type injury can happen any type of way, but
it almost like you almost felt like it was possible
that from prior injuries that this could be something that
was the injury could be imminent for Aaron Rodgers, is
what I'll say. And so to me, you look at
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you look at the way everything unfolded. He left practice
with a lower leg injury during camp.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, at some point he's had calf issues pop up
the past couple of years, and I think a couple
of different times in camp to where you know, we
were making the joke like well, you know he's got calves,
must be nice, and then now you see it and
you go you look at the side angle. There's a
slow motion side angle that's making the rounds on social media.
You can see the Achilles explode. You can see the
(05:00):
side and the pop and you can almost see it
shoot back up into his calf, and so I don't
I wonder it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So the thing about it is is calf injuries and
lower or calf problems. Lower problems generally generally are leading
towards you getting it, and I know first hand you
generally are heading towards a pop a rupture and and
(05:30):
so it's unfortunate that it took place for Aaron Rodgers.
It's unfortunate for the Jets because now we don't get
to see what they would have been if they had
Aaron Rodgers. Every every story doesn't turn out like Tom
Brady's story, It really doesn't. There there are harsh realities
(05:52):
that are connected to play in the game of football.
It happened, and it's it's unfortunate for Aaron Rodgers to
be in a situation like this.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So let me just add, because obviously you have direct
knowledge because you suffered the Achilles injury, what is the
rehab like? Because I have heard that rehab for an
achilles is brutal.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the surgery is painful, the recovery is painful, and
the rehab is painful. It's all painful, and it just
depends on what your your tolerance and your threshold for
pain is. But you got to break up the scar
tissue and your heel. You have to work to get
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the mobility back and the flexibility of the foot and
the ankle. You have to build your calf back up.
My calf is still small from from that injury. I
felt like it was like letting an air out of
a tire, which I don't know what it's like to
(06:58):
have a tire obviously, but I've driven on I've driven
on a car that was losing air in the tire,
and you know how it feels. Yeah, right. I just
felt like I had no air in my leg, like
no bounce, like my it just wasn't alive. And I
like limped for like two three years man, before before
(07:21):
I really kind of got to a point of where
I could walk normal. It's a hell of an injury, man,
It's probably one of the worst injuries you can get,
and people come back from them all the time. I mean,
Kobe played through a rupture one time, obviously, historically speaking,
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It's just it's a complicated injury, and at his age, Jonas,
I just don't know why the hell you would try
to come back from an Achilles rupture, a full full
Achilles rupture. I don't know why you try to I'm
back from it. So then the next question is what
does this mean for his career, you know, and does
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he come back or does he retire? Is that the
note he goes out on. You know, it is kind
of the reality of that injury is it's it's that's
a hard rehab. Man.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I can't imagine if this is going the way that
everybody expects it to be in its season ending. I
can't imagine that he wants to go out like that.
I really can't. I just I look at it and
I think that he had such he was so excited
about the potential of playing in New York. But he
just was quoted as saying, yeah, I could see playing
(08:39):
until I'm forty five, Like it just rejuvenated And I
don't know if it's a direct shot at the Packers,
but there was something about being with the Jets that
just freshened up his feelings about playing and wanting to
be in the National Football League. And the idea that
he's going to walk away after four plays on an
injury like this, I just I find it hard to believe.
(09:00):
Now how effective he is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It sounds horrible for that to be the way it
would end. But at his age, Like how old is.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
He thirty nine?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't know, man, thirty nine with wear and tear,
and he's been banged up before, and I think this
is if I'm not missing I mean, he's suffered a
couple of different injuries, you know, just early in seasons.
There was a collarbone issue, there was a knee issue
that he suffered. He'd like, he's dealt with some stuff
that's knocked him out and he's missed significant time. And honestly,
(09:34):
you know, like one of the first things I thought
of after you started to see the reports and you
started to see the concern that he wasn't going to
come back, and then he's being carted off out of
the blue tent. Doesn't this just showcase how incredible Brett
Farv's run was as quarterback. How many games he played
in a row, My god, man, like you need there's
(09:55):
got to be some Obviously the durability is a factor,
but there's also got to be a little bit of
luck that goes out.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Almost I was the one that almost broke that streak.
Did you know that, Oh, if he didn't have a
bye week after they played against US, I folded him
up nice and neatly and sent him over to to
the to the sideline. If they didn't have a bye week,
he would have missed that next week, and and I
(10:22):
would have been the one responsible for breaking his record,
but it did happened.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You should put that, You should put that in your
Twitter bio, like if not for a bye week, I
folded up Brett Favre and what a ruined his.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Nice nice and neat too, Bro, It wasn't sloppy, I like,
carry on, it was, it was neat. He did have
a hell of a run. It takes. I hate the
word luck because I'm not a big I'm not a
big believer in luck. I just think you make your luck.
(10:55):
But in some cases like that was bad luck. For
him to get hit and rolled up on like that
and for it to pop the way that it did
in that circumstance, that's bad luck. And like he that's
just that's he didn't have luck on his side.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So you brought up you know, when you have the
calf issue and stuff down there starts to you know,
hurt or you deal with pain or different issues.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
It gets tight. Yeah. I was on the stretching board
every day, like two three times a day on the
stretching board, stretching my calf out. So we stretched my calf.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
When you said that it reminded me of when Richard
Sherman did his achilles in a game, and I want
to almost positive was a Thursday night game, but I
remember he did his achilles and he kind of gave
the I told you so as he was coming off
the field like one of those, because I think he
was dealing with the same stuff to where it just
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didn't feel right. He felt like there was some tightness there,
there was something going on, and then ultimately he got
to the game and it popped and he lost the
rest of his season. And I think that was later,
obviously later in his career with I think it was
the Seahawks, It could have been the Niners. Been almost
positive was Seattle. But the point being, he knew something's
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going to happen, like something's about to happen here. This
is a problem. And I just wonder if Rogers felt
that because this is a couple of different times this
has popped up. And look, not wishing this on anybody,
but man, Joe Burrow dealt with calf issues this offseason.
He missed several weeks. I just wonder if there's something
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to that from a medical standpoint that once you start
to deal with that stuff, maybe you need to take
more time than when.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He did it. Yeah, so versus the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That sucks, man, But it's a bummer and it's man.
Four plays, four plays, four plays in Like, we just
spent the whole entire first segment talking about Aaron Rodgers
and his achilles tend that when that was a hell
of a recovery for.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
The New York Jets to be able to bounce back.
I mean, if I'm Zach Wilson talk about having to
stay prepared and stay ready in the midst of what
has literally been a brutal last you know, year for
him in terms of how he's viewed what has taken
(13:22):
place and where he ends up. And listen, I don't
I don't look at him as being the catalyst per se.
The defense was the catalyst of winning that game, but
he had to make some big throws down the end
of the game for them to get into position to
do some of the things that they were able to do.
(13:44):
So he did deliver in some aspects of all of this,
and they were able to get through the game and
win the game against a quality opponent. I mean that
got that got lost, and I think it gets lost
because we probably all know that that's the demise. I
(14:05):
don't mean to laugh about, but I think we all
know that that's the demise of the jetson.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh jeez, I.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Mean, and they do have some talent. Oh yeah, they
do have some talent.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And that was a fun game last night.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
There was that catch was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Garrell was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Ridiculous, He's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
AIP cash you a question, Hell yeah, By the way, first,
before you get to the question, you know what time
it is?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right? What time is it?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Lotion time? Baby? Doing it right now?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Is soft and boy? Lotion boy? Wow?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Soft lotion boy?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Hey? Can I ask you look at those hands? Do
you like birthday Do y'all like birthday cake? And if so,
what flavor?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I used to like the one my mom would do
this bird. She was really good at doing cakes, and
she would do this one where you would wrap and
it would have ice cream in the middle in between
each layer.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And it would almost ice cream birthday cakes.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, like an ice cream swirl. It was like a
swirl birthday cake. I forget what you call it. Yeah,
but it's uh huh damn you.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Do you like like white cake like yellow cake?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I know Lee doesn't for some reason. Really, Yeah, he
doesn't like white cake. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh my god, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I was just curious yellow I love yellow cake, chocolate fright,
and the frosting like when it's at room temperature.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But the yellow cake's got to have the chocolate frosting
on the top more so than the white frost.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't like chocolate. I don't like chocolate frosting or cake.
I don't know why I don't like it. Yeah, but
I was going to ask, do you feel like it's
inappropriate to have birthday cake when it's not a birthday.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, it's just a cake. What makes it a birthday
cake is the candle?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Isn't it design on top?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think they're caught like sheet cakes or I don't know.
I mean you could use them for other things like
anniversaries and stuff like that. But I was just curious, like,
do you have to have a festivity plant or connected
to having a birthday cake.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Nah, I don't think so bake a cake unless it's
like an angel food cake. You could have any time,
but like a celebratory cake, you gotta have something to celebrate.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is the angel food one? The really soft one?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I used to like those.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I used to be into those.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Were you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, I'm telling my mom was a great base. She
could do really good cakes. Good, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I was just curious because I mean, so we got
back from Penn State State College and my youngest daughter,
Penn was like, Dad. She's like, Dad, I've got a
great idea. And I was like, what, Let's get a birthday.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Cake, a yellow one.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And I was like, my gosh, that is a brilliant idea, daughter,
And we ordered a birthday cake.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Good. Like, I like where her head's at. She's like,
why not. I don't need to there's no birthday coming up.
We don't need to celebrate anything.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I mean, it was my daughter went out, my older
daughter went out and got it, and she brought back
literally a birthday cake for twenty people. It's like a
big one, Like I don't need these calories, you know,
I don't need these calories, but she brought it in anyway, nonetheless,
And it's really when they're at room temperature. When they're cold,
they're not as good like when you get them, they're
(17:58):
like and they were like refrigera rated. But when you
let them get the room temperature, if it's a really
good cake at room temperature. See, this is my inner
fat boy coming out right now, right because my outer
fat boy is gone, but my inner fat boy still
is alive, and I still have to fight with my
interfat boy. And let me tell you something, I've been
(18:18):
crushing that cake, crushing it every time I go in
the kitchen. It's like, get a drink of water, get
a get a couple of forks of cake. But anyways,
I just wanted to I was just wondering, do you
need a festivity to get birthday cake?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, because also you remember, for people that are new
to this show, there was at one point you were
doing a show and I believe Pennsylvania, and you were
at a different studio and you walked into the kitchen
of that and took the and that was a legitimate
birthday cake that had somebody's name written. Yes, yes, helped himself.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
To help myself to a big old piece too. It
was a big old piece.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Seven seven to fifteen Eastern time. And Levar's like, well,
I don't know who Teresa is, but I'll have some
of her cake.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Walking. I go walking back into the break room, I
hear them talking around the water like somebody took a
big ass piece of Teresa's cake.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, who are these hooligans?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
We hadn't even saying happy birthday yet. Let me just
creep on right on back out. Hope they have cameras
up here.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, he's got savages here in these parts. Yeah, that cake,
Yeah it was, it seemed like it was.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But there are some people like big cakes and I
cannot laugh.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Who doesn't. Now, are you a big fan of like turnovers?
Apple turnovers? Are you just a bi?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Okay? So we're getting into that because your boy.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
I was gonna say, I mean, you know, I don't
know if your daughter is still out and about at
the store, but if she sees a Josh Allen turnover,
I think there's four.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Left Josh Allen Buffalo wing Apple apples, apple turnover.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
God man, So he's on so over the last and
I think I have this right. Over the last nineteen games,
he's got thirty seven turnovers. Wow, so we're looking at
about two a clip, so you can count on him
giving you the football at least a couple of times
every game. He had four more turnovers last night, three interceptions,
(20:27):
he had a cough. I mean all of them were
cost costly. Fumble, Yeah, the fumble was bad.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Fumble was super costly.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I mean, it's becoming a thing now with Josh Allen
over the past year plus. And this was an issue
that he had early in his career, and so of
course Josh Allen was asked about it afterwards by the media,
and this is how it sounded.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Josh, the four turnovers, Was that something due they did
or is that just you maybe force the ball trying
to force the ball on.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
A little bit and trying to force the ball. Yeah,
same same place, different day. I heard our team to night,
I cost our team to night, And it feels early
similar to last year, and I hate that it's the same.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So let me at least.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He's being Some people could get away with that. Some
people can't, you know, Josh Allen is one of those
type guys. And I'm not making it racial. Bro. I
know you're mind. I'm not making it, Rachel. I'm just
saying some quarterbacks like if if if Russell Wilson. Let
me think of somebody who isn't Russell Wilson, Uh quarterback? Yeah,
(21:40):
let me think of Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence could get
away with saying that, right, you know what I mean?
Like or well, well, who couldn't get away with saying that.
Let's see, Let's see, let's see.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Jay Cutler back in the day, couldn't.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
He could not get away with that. Jay Cutler would
not be able to get away with just saying what
what what Josh Allen just said? And give them credit
for owning it. You know, some guys just don't own
when when they you know, have have been costly. But
that doesn't that does not, that does not take you
(22:17):
away from from the culpability of what took place. Now,
you know what I mean that you were probably one
of the singular, singular pieces of it that led to
them losing the game. I mean, it was New York's
defense that was the catalyst of them winning that game.
(22:39):
And Josh Allen was a contributor to that defensive effort.
So then you ask yourself the question is this is
this a trend that is going to continue or is
this something that he can actually correct? Because I'll tell
(22:59):
you what, you turn over the ball four times, there's
not very many teams you're going to be able to
beat in the National Football League turning it over that
many times. So where do you go from here? Like,
what is what is the solution to that? So, I
mean a lot of them were like punts, you know,
(23:20):
they were punt type of interceptions. He threw them into
the end zone. But still you got to protect the
ball way way way better than that if you're going
to have success, especially at the rate that at the
level that that Buffalo is hoping to have success at.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So there's a number that's out there that the team
that wins the turnover.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Battle usually wins the game.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wins the game seventy percent of the time. So if
you just think about that, and I remember we talked
about this, you know a few years ago when I
was doing the show straight out of Vegas, and the
point that they were making was if you look at
it like this, you're more likely to win a football
game if you win the turnover battle than you are
(24:06):
if you have the lead at half. So just think
about that, the game's half over, you're leading the game,
and you're less likely to win that game than if
you just win the turnover battle. And the fact that
this guy is at two eclip the last nineteen games,
it's not like we're just at a small sample size.
I mean that's nineteen games. He's got thirty seven, thirty
eight turnovers, whatever it is. So if you're the Bills,
(24:28):
you're just up against it constantly because Josh Allen keeps
coughing the football up. And yeah, to your point, if
that was some other people around the NFL, the conversation
would be much different if that was enough. For example,
that was Dak Prescott. Conversation is much different, you know,
(24:49):
different if that was Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Is there this correlation is much different. But you know,
it's it's not it's that it's so much a RaSE thing.
There's just there is a different way that we talk
about some quarterbacks as opposed to others. And for some reason,
Josh Allen he gets in these in these situations and
he just can't help himself. I mean, you know, and
(25:17):
Stefan Diggs, you know, was talking to him, trying to
get him back to rally the team and all that,
but it's also Josh Allen's winless in overtime games.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
There's that aspect. It just there's something that's missing between
taking Josh Allen and the Bills to the next level.
And I don't know if it is his turnovers or what,
but there it feels like there's something in the way.
And I don't know what that is, but we've talked
about it this offseason, just skeptical on the Bills. It
(25:50):
just feels like there's something missing and I can't put
a finger on. I don't know what it is. And
maybe it just is a quarterback who turns the ball
over too much.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I wouldn't have put it on Josh Allen per se,
because Josh Allen is probably far and away the largest reason,
the biggest part of why they win. But if you're
if you're part of the reason why they lose as well,
that's something that he's got to consciously work on. I
(26:19):
mean when he threw those up there, he literally just
launched it, grew it up like it's gone, throwing it
up here we go. Hopefully it's like a prayer, like
hell Mary like, hopefully my guy comes down with it
and and we all look good at the end of
this play. And it just didn't turn out that way.
I mean, he he made the kid was that Whitehead
(26:41):
or something like that? I forget.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I mean, I don't know why it's always going to
turn into this with you.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Who's the kid that got him three times? He got
him for three I.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Go ahead, Yeah it was Whitehead.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
There we go, Whitehead.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I don't know what what color ass to do the problem?
I just said, why don't know what color has to
do with anything?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Why is it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I'm I mean that that's that's kind of like you
telling on yourself because that's his name.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It just you know, it feels like, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Which is interesting because he is a black man. He's
a black man with the name white Head. I mean,
but would it be better if he was a white
dude with the name white Head. I mean, I think
that would kind of sound weird.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, it would sound weird, I feel like.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, I just know for me, I'd immediately start
thinking pop, like, let's let's get the popping gross the
thing that's connected the white Heads to me? You know,
But he was popping he was definitely popping and he
was popping off with three interceptions of Alan and then
just the idea of a miss snap, like okay, you
(27:40):
got a miss snap. You got the ball, get the ball,
get on the ground, you know, get what you can get,
get on the ground, like you're just gonna cough the
ball up like you. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I'm not Look, I'm not gonna sit here and and
overreact too much on week one games. I mean, there
were some stuff that happened week one where you look
at it and go right, that's got long term ramifications.
The Aaron Rodgers injury long term ramifications. There's there's some
stuff that you look at and go all right, that's
going to be around for a while. Like I would
I would say the same thing about Josh Allen. It's
(28:12):
the first game of the season. He's rusty, if not
for the fact that this has been what he's been
the last eighteen other games, Like this isn't just a
one off situation. So I do think it's worth at
least pointing out, acknowledging and having having the conversation about
that this has turned into a problem, like it's a
problem for the Bills.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He turns out. I mean my different day, different game,
but same same deal.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Like my favorite part to like when you mentioned, you know,
the long interceptions where he's just throwing it up, is
when I see people go, oh, well, you know it's
the same as like a punt. Well yeah, except he
turned the ball over. But I mean you could say
whatever you want, like, well, you know a punt would
have done the same thing. Well, no, a punt was intentional,
Like was the interception intentional? To Like, it's just like
(28:57):
there are two different conversations, especially when you've got a
reputation for turning it over as much as he has,
and apparently it did not get fixed this offseason.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So you turn the ball over, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's just bad? Oh bad, not a good spot.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
It wasn't good. It wasn't a good look. But it
is early in the season, and you know, maybe maybe
it's something that you know, he can do better out
of dressing. But it definitely was costly in that game
last evening for sure.
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
All right, Lee de Lapp, what do we got guys?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Robert Sola said they're rolling with Zach Wilson, but as
a Jets fan, would you rather they sign in bring
in a veteran quarterback the likes of Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan,
Nick Foles, Joe Flacco who's been there before, or even
Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, uh ah man, Tom Brady would be ideal because
that would just cause so many problems and it would
just it would just show you how how what a
bunch of crap Sunday celebration was at Foxboro, even though
I don't think it is and I think he's going
to stay retired. But if he came back to play
for the Jets, oh man, what a juicy storyline there.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But other than that, definitely a juicy story.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Roll with Zach Wilson. This is your guy. You stood
by him, like, this is the guy you believe in. Like,
just go with Zach Wilson. He's been there the entire camp,
he's been there a couple of years. I mean, seems
like it makes sense to me, but who knows what
what if Carson Wentz did come back and finally the Wrongs.
Yeah he's not not on a team, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I mean that has had a lot of chances, right.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, let's be real. But man, Carson Wentz comes
back and takes them to the postseason, they make a
deep run, finally get the taste out of his mouth
of watching Nick Foles. Or do they have to just
for s is and giggles? Do they bring in Carson
Wentz and Nick Foles and have him battle it out
for the job, Like why not? Let's turn this into
(31:47):
something here. Look, their season's over. The Jets season is over.
So fun. Oh it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It doesn't have the same feel of expectation today.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh those those throwback Jets unis and that old Jets
logo from back in like the eighties and the nineties.
You know who I thought of when I saw the
Jets helmets last night?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh? Oh my bad, No, I.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Thought of Altoon, Remember al Tuon back in the day?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, Well for you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
They did win the game. Yeah, that was a fine game.
And that mean a fine team, I should say. And
and they only had four plays from Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
I mean that is worth noting. Yeah, they can still win.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, especially if the other quarterback gets you the ball
four times. Well, you know who they should the Jets
petition if they're looking. If that's the recipe for success,
they should petition playing Nebraska every week. Oh wow, because
their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Turns all over a lot too.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
So what else we got, guys?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Other injury news?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We heard JK.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Dobbins is out for the season with his achilles injury.
There are some free agent running backs out there, Leonard Fournette,
Kareem Hunt, who would you rather sign?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Uh, we would need to see Leonard first before making
an assessment on that.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Hold on, sir, are you gonna what do you think
he got heavy?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I mean he got some birthday cake.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
He might have had some birthday cake and it wasn't
his birthday.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I mean, I feel like that's, you know, a bit
reckless here. Wow, we're gonna I'm assuming that Leonard Fournette
is in tip top shape. They eat food, don't you
that's my assumption.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I don't know, man, he might be. He might
be comfortable right now, but he might be hoping that
he's going to get an opportunity. I just don't know.
You know, you'd have to see. I'm a go Kareem Hunt.
I think that'd be the safer other.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Two I'll go with for that here, I'm not gonna
let you guys passive aggressively fat shame him on the air.
I'm gonna go lettern Fournette my guy, Leonard Fournette, Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Has anybody saying him?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Guys, would you rather get on a flight with a
sleep deprived Odell Beckham Junior or a drunk pac Man Jones?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sleep deprived because he's gonna fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I'll go pac Man Jones just because OBJ did. Like
nobody could fly because I am. I feel like pac
Man Jones. They'd probably just get up there and then
figure it out. Yeah, we'll have somebody else restrain him,
you know, like I'll go pack man. Plus you have
a couple of you have a couple of cocktails him.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Just let that man sleep. They started harassing him, like, sir,
your seat belt, Like, let that man not put a
seatbelt on if he want to go out and not
wearing the cool belt. Let him go out.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
By the way, do you wear your seat belt when
you fly every time? But you just but you just
loosen it up to where I.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Loosen it up. It's really I would never wear my
seatbelt entire time. That is is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So what's the point, you know what I mean? Like
if you can step up out.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Of it, like, oh god, let that man sleep. But
he don't want to have his seatbelt on and he's
knocked the hell out, Let that man.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Sleep, Like he could buckle it and have it wrapped
around his knees, not doing a damn thing, and they
would be okay with it. But yeah, it just feels
like it's kind of a charade.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
That's why I'm gonna take Odell all right. In fact,
I might put his buckle on him. I might buckle
him up. Loosen it up, buckle him up here. Man,
let me just put this around you man, real quick.
That's that's all man. We good. Pause. Guys.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Would you rather see the world take it over by
aliens or AI?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Aliens?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I mean when you call a AI aliens.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Because I feel like AI they've got personality issues, they
can't figure out what they want to be.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
But you don't know what an alien is. Yeah, but
at least you have an idea what AI is. You
have and you know, by the way, AI is real.
You have yet to show me an alien, show me
an alien.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean, some would argue, is that the green.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Guy with the black eyes, like is that with the
little mouth? Is that?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's fine? Like I feel like also when it comes
to aliens, great kazoo. I'll take my chances physically with
an alien like I don't like.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There, I don't know what an alien is.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I know they've got pencil arms. They'll take my chances.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Oh my gosh,
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