September 29, 2023 • 47 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the guys recap the Lions stomping of the Packers on Thursday Night Football. Brady previews the Top 25 matchups in College Football this weekend and Senior NFL Reports for TheMMQB, Albert Breer joins the guys to talk NFL and Ohio State beating Notre Dame.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well well, well, well, well, well Friday here, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Just a little NFC North action last night.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
That yeah, can I give you like the like my
perspective from just years of seeing the Lions. When you
grow up in Columbus, Ohio, you're obviously aware of like
some of the teams around you. You play for the Browns,
you you have a preseason game against them, all that.
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The way the game started, I kind of thought to myself, like,
this is that moment you ended Green Bay season last
year and it was kind of like ships passing in
the night, like this, this Lions team's becoming something, right,
especially when you end any chance or hope with the
Packers into the playoffs, and I was like that the
Lions team are becoming something. They were the betting favorite
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to win the division coming into the year. And then
I'm like, well, last night, though, that's the night you
got to do it. Like, if you want to be
at the top of the NFC North, you have to
go into Green Bay, you have to go to lambeau Field,
and you got to find a way of getting a win.
And that first series, the interception interception that got through,
I was like, oh, here we go again. Here all
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the hype, all this excite and everything else. I was like,
here we go again. And then the defense comes out
and the defense gets some stumps, they get a whole day,
They force a field goal, and then you watch that
next drive and the Lions go right down the field
and answer with a touchdown. Next drive, right down the
I believe that love got picked off. The next series
and then they go right back down the field touchdown.
It's like fourteen to three. I'm going, Okay, this is different.
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This is different. This is not the old Lions. This
is not what we thought. This is what everyone had
talked about before the season. Then becoming they're here, and
it was it's pretty dark cool.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Want to see man an organization that is not gotten there.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And you know, I don't want to sound like I'm
making too much of one game, but that's how.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I saw the beginning of this game.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And once it started taking place, it was like, Okay,
this is different.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It feels different. The Lions are legit right now.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
A Jonas Yeah, Q sounds very excited about the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Man, like super excited?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
How could you not be excited about football?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I mean, you know what, that was a great segue
because that's what I was feeling, like, you are excited
about the Detroit Lions, but you are also excited about football.
That's what I was thinking in my head, and that's
what I was like, like Jonas, like he's super excited.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, it definitely is. Yeah, and it's appropriate considering.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
That it is appropriate. I'm looking at let's see, it's
where are you looking at?
Speaker 7 (02:48):
Let's see it's September twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Is what is September twenty ninth? What is that?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (02:54):
What getting at?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
What? What? What? What was I getting at?
Speaker 7 (02:58):
It's a football prie. Come on, come on, yeah, come on.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
De Troy come on, yeah the big line, come on,
come on yeah, Detroy Detroit him and now come on twelve,
come on, come on, Sam, cut that man, come on,
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come on.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Let's get real with it. Let's let's let's do this.
Let's do this.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Let's cool. Yeah, right night, Friday, Okay, good by.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I don't like I like that, you guys know, I
do not like.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
His behind that head like that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Montgomery.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Yeah, it is a football Friday here on.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I don't like his very I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm not down with that version come out by the way.
That's like, that's like when Usher comes out for the
halftime show. You know, he's playing all his hits and
the next thing, you know, you go a country band
that comes out after.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Yeah, just trying to with that, trying to force it in.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I like country. I like you know, hip hop, R
and B, but.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You never heard of what you call never heard of
what you call country and rap together it's called Yeah,
it's not good if you combine them both. You gotta
appreciate them separately.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You know.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Some people say that's fair. Some people say the sea
and rap is silent.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know that's what I is that right, Yeah, some
people that aren't fans of rap music, they say the
sea is silent. You know. My favorite part of the
game last night, the final touchdown drive for the Detroit Lions.
They just pounded the football and just said, we're going
to give it to David Montgomery as many times as
humanly possible. Oh, third and long, we're going to give it.
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We're going to run the ball all fourth and short.
We're going to run the ball, the field goal, and
the personal foul call on the field goal, they get
the ball back and they just grind it down. And
that game was a rap. And I'm calling it right now.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That stole their soul.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
That division is a rap.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, No, I don't know about that. There's way too
much time. I mean, think about it this way. The
Vikings haven't played a divisional game. I'm just saying, like
there's a lot of football left.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I just I don't think we should count out Green Bay.
I really don't. I think they were young, should count
out anyone.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
It's to count out Green Bay, Yeah, I don't. And
and they're wounded.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You know, Christian was just getting back, Aaron Jones was
just getting back.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
I mean, they were.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was limited contributions from them, I thought. I thought
Jordan Love actually under the circumstances, you know, being under
duress a little bit, you know, dealing with you know,
just I mean, they were they were pretty relentless upfront.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Detroit, well they didn't handled it. They didn't have Bakti.
That was that. That didn't hurt them for a while.
And if they were banged up on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
So very true.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
But I'll say this though, and not win. While I
felt like it was very impressive for the Lions to
play the way that they did, my question coming out
of the game, based off of what you just said, Jonas,
if they get up against the team that is stout
against the run, and they will get up against some
teams that are stout against the run, can they do
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it in the air? Can they Can they win it
throwing the ball? And to me, that's still that wasn't
a question that was answered for me last night because
it didn't have to happen. Like GoF made some good throws.
Golf always is known to make some good throws.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I think he can do it in the air. But
can he do it at a high enough level where
they can win games where they're going to have to
utilize passing the ball to win? That was my like,
I was impressed, I don't think I don't think I
saw anything that I didn't expect out of Detroit in
this game. We said it in the show, we detailed it.
They're going to come out and they're going to impose
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their physical will against Green Bay. That's that's what we
talked about. That was going to be the game play,
and that's exactly what they did. But if you get
up against a team that can stand up and match
what you're doing up front, can they win it in
the air? And I think that that was, you know, impressed,
very impressed though.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, they've they've proven in the past that they can
do it. You'd be hard pressed to find a quarterback
that's playing better football than Jared Goff since Week thirteen
of last year. I mean, people tend to forget what
were they won in seven at one point last year? Yeah,
and then they've ripped off that stream of that string
of wins, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They should have been a playoff time last year if
the Seattle wins. Sure, going into that final game like
they had nothing to play for and still whoop that
ass in Green Bay whooped that ad.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, but the greater point is that, like,
I don't think you can count anyone out or say
it's a rap right now. There's too much football left
to be played, and especially within the division, which you
know ultimately you may only get one team out of
the out of this division. So that's kind of why
I say, like this is a tight division. You know,
the Packers are now what two and two and is that?
I don't think that was their first division game.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Their first game?
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Their first game, well, they had to buy week week,
So they're one on.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
One now of the division, the Vikings having played a
divisional game. You got the Lions and not have to
go back look at their divisional matchup. But I just
they're right now the most physical team upfront in that division,
and I think that's what's.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Winning in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like when you talk to NFL general managers, they'll say, like, hey, man,
if you got a quarterback, it's such a luxury because
then you could do exactly what Philly did, what San
Francisco has.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Done, Like look at the formula.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
What have both of those teams done in the draft
for years? They should go draft first round defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I mean for real.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's how you build it up to the point where
like if you want to find the quickness weakness to
every single team, you go have some maulers up front,
and you just can't find good enough flyman that can
hold up enough.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So even when you've got a quarterback, doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
If you don't have a line to protect them, you're
gonna be facing some of the best teams to have
these maulers up front and they'll get after it. So
kudos to Thetroit Lions and the way they've kind of
started to build this roster too. Obviously having a guy
that Aiden hutcheson. You saw his impact in last night's game.
But that's the formula right now. Man, you can build
up those O line D lines, you're gonna be consistently good.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
For a while.
Speaker 9 (09:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There was a tale of two coaches, a lot of
different just a differing in moods following the game. Now,
do you want to hear Dan Campbell just talk very
positively or or we can hear a right, So we'll
hear Dan Campbell first, because then we've got a red
ass on the flip side of that.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
So let's listen to the Lions head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
That was outstanding.
Speaker 10 (09:42):
You know, that was that was a fun one for
the guys, and you know, I really it was a
total team effort, you know, And it's easy to go
through here, and it's actually not easy to go through
here and start picking out individual players.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
There's a ton of guys that played really well.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
But you know, I didn't realize this, but that was
David Montgomery's first time to get a win against the Packers,
so that.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
That's pretty impressive. And then and three.
Speaker 10 (10:06):
Touchdowns, first time that we've got a line drum beat
that's gotten that hurt Lambo, So that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So there it is just sticking a knife in the
heart of Bears fans, reminding him the David Montgomery had
never had a win against the Packers and goes into
lambeau Field as a member the Detroit Lion.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
So there was that.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then there was Matt Lafleur, who was not happy
as he walked out of the tunnel to start the
second half because of the way the game started, and
so he was asked about it by local media there
in Green Bay. And this is how that interaction took place.
Speaker 10 (10:39):
It happens when you have a to cause the first
half like that, where you.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
Couldn't get anhing Pete, I mean, got her ask kicked.
It wouldn't have happened, Matt, they didn't. Let's until at
bs question.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Man Bank not happy at all, I mean, Lily just
asking a question.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And but but don't you think there's there's elements though
of like I mean, now the decision they made years
ago is confronting them right, Like they chose to draft
the guy to replace Aaron Rodgers and this comes with it, yeah,
like like this is the And by the way, other
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Green Bay Packers front office executives and coaches have had
to go through this before because when they drafted the
guy to replace Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
They also had to go through this.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And if you go back and look at that first season,
it was a difficult season for those that made that
decision to then buy into that decision because it wasn't
like they were a bunch of world beaters. They didn't
make the playoffs. You know, Rogers played okay that year.
It was the next year with things yeah yeah, And
it was the next year where they really they excelled
and went and moved forward. So this is where they're at.
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It might be a year where again you missed the playoffs,
but this time with Jordan Love and you again you
hear those doubters and you hear all that they've just
got to stay focused on the long term, like getting
finding a solution at left tackle. And that's not to
say David Bactierre is not the solution and healthy, but
he's almost never healthy anymore. You know, they've got to
find some pieces offensively to get this team that's consistently
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play at a certain level. Like it was great to
see Aaron Jones back and Christian Watson back, but those
this is their first time be going to come back.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
So I just that's where they're at right now.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
The Packers, they're not in rebuild mode, but they're trying
to rekind of shape how this team is going to
operate and move forward with Jordan Love as their quarterback
in order to win an NFNFC North title. And you
know it might it might take another year. Like it's
not gonna be able to happen right now right away,
given at least what we watched last night.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I don't know that they're not in rebuilt mode. They
might have they might not have a choice but to
be in rebuilt mode. I think it's going to It's
too early to say if they where they are to
me technically, but it could play out where they go up.
They start trending up, and they had the talent to
do so, but it could also trend down. And and
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I'm not certain if Watson can get healthy and can
establish himself as that you know, that number one, like
that true weapon that that Jordan Love can depend on.
If Aaron Jones can can stay healthy, what's the I'm
not certain what's going on with Dylan. What's what's the
deal with Dylan? I'm not sure about that situation. Is
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he still hurt or is he like is he not
a part of the rotation anymore?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But for me, if if if I don't see some
of the stars that we've come to know do some
of the things that they need to do in order
for this team to take a definitive step forward from
from the loss of Aaron Rodgers at the quarterback's position.
I don't know that they're not in a rebuilt state.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I mean, Romeo Dobbs has played well. Like him and
Jordan Love have a certain little.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I like Dobbs. But do y'all look at Dobbs as
a number one.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
No, But I think it's developing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I just I look at it and I go they
were not a playoff team last year with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
It's going to take time.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I mean, like for Packers fans, if the expectation was
what we expect to be in the postseason this year,
it's like, Okay, well, then that's not being realistic and
on the Bactiari stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
I'm not I'm not basing I'm not basing saying rebuild
off of if they make the playoffs this year. It's
a daunting task. I don't care if you're Peyton Manning
and you're Tom Brady and you're replacing Aaron Rodgers, that's
a daunting task for anyone. If you're Brady Quinn, that's
a daunting task anyone to almost cursed. You almost made
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me curse and me talking about it. You're asking me
it's a very daunting task to have to do that,
and then not to mention that there's the whole legacy
of what the quarterback position has represented in Green Bay.
So it's I think that he's I think he's handled
it very well. But I still I'm not basing it
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off of making the playoffs this year. I'm basing it
off of can these guys develop into what we've seen
from a Jordie Nelson or a Greg Jennings or you know,
a Jones? Can can they can we see what you know?
Does somebody look like Amon Green or like I need
to see the offensive line look look better. I need
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to see those things before I say they're not rebuilding.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Well.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think again, they've got a rash of injuries coming
into it. If you saw the injury report, you know
bok Tyario was going to be out, Jingins was on
the injury report, Zach tom.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And the injury.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I mean, there was a bunch of guys banged up
and we didn't really watching were limited Watson. Yeah, they
end up playing though, But uh, but Dylan aj Dillon
your point, he's fully healthy. The just he's not been
able to provide them the burst I think that they
were hoping for out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I mean, there's there's nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I think there was some trade rumblings with him as
well too before the season.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
There's some stuff out there.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So maybe and these it's interesting because it always goes
back to here's a second round pick. Remember, and these
were the sorts of decisions that the front office made
when remember we were clamoring for them the draft, the
wide receiver, I mean, and this was one of the
picks they went with instead. I believe in the twenty
twenty draft, like when you go back and look through
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the front office decisions of the Green Bay Packers in
those drafts and where they could have been spending some
of those picks in.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
That draft capital. It's pretty telling.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Man Like I would say Rogers actually helped make up
for some of their I will say misses, but I'll
say some of the decisions of pieces that really they
either didn't need or didn't need as badly as other spots.
And this is again going back to the initial point
a couple moments ago. This is what happens when you
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move on from a future Hall of Famer and this
and they made made these decisions. They made this bed.
They've got to lay in it now. And you're watching
other teams like the Detroit Lions, who I think have
been more focused on how they've built their fronts on
each side of the ball, move past you right now
in the division and that's gonna happen. But they they've
got to, really, I think, look inside themselves and look
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into this next draft and free agency and figure out,
you know, what their needs are.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I personally don't feel like it's a rebuild.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I think they've got they've got to reshape what this
roster looks like with Jordan Love now moving.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
So last week we launched the debut of a segment
we don't have a name for yet, trying to put
together some bells and whistles and get everything dialed in
for one Braden Quinn as he looks around the top
twenty five of college football.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Now, you've got four games you want to take a
look at this weekend there, BQ.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
But yeah, four games where you've got two teams in
the top twenty five. Squaring off actually starts off tonight,
but I'll let you kind.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Of get into it first.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So let's so we are still developing a segment title
for it.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
I'm calling it Quinn's Wins. But you know like that, yeah,
I mean, there's there's that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's kind of a play on the T shirt we
saw in Dublin where the woman had the shirt that
said I would sin for Quinn. You know, kind of
a rhyme on the last name that was out there. Yeah,
that was flowing around. It's fun shirt, fun shirt.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
There was a lot of shirts back in the day,
as a lot of shirts.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
I don't know why she grabbed it from my bag,
but she did.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You said, it's a sin with Quinn. I would sin
for I would send for Quinn.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The problem is my last name, Knox runs with too
many things that are a little bit bound.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
There, so if you want to get creative there, but nonetheless,
we will come up with a name at some point.
But forget the name and forget all that other fun.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I mean, you could do a shirt in the box
with knocks.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
You know.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yeah, that's just not r that's not rot.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
In the box.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm just saying it rhymes.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Yeah, it's true. That definitely is true. All right, but
right right now, without further ado, take it away, BQ.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
All right, we're gonna kick off our four game action
here tonight on FS one eight pm Eastern sign Utah
is headed to Core Vallas to take on Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Utah the number ten team the country.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Despite the fact that Cam Rise and this starting quarterback
has yet to start a game this season. Nate Johnson
did a great job last week and Utah's win over
uc LA, but it was more poorly the ground. I
should say that the ground attack, running game, and then
the rush defense with stout versus UCLA, They're gonna have
to be up for the task again.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
This is a more completely.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Oregon State team, granted coming off of loss last week
in Pullman, Washington, but dj Uyungo La La has been
transformed a bit Fenwick. The running backs were the best
in the Pac twelve at Oregon State's defense is as
good as it gets.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The line initially started at three points. It's crept up
now to four and a half. I think there was
speculation that maybe Cam Rising would be back for this one.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Some of those some of those doubts are starting to
creep back in, like he might not be there. And
I'll remind you this is a Utah team. They're four
to oh top ten in the country, dead last and
the Pack twelve and throwing the football. They need their
quarterback back. I'm not so short happens. That being said, though,
I'll take the four and a half points. You don't
bet against Kyle Winningham the way he's coached up this
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team this year. All right, Next on Saturday, we've got
a match up between Kansas, who's four to oh, number
twenty four in the country.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They're head Dawston to take on the Longhorns.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
We're also four to OHO, sitting at number three, obviously
after their big win versus Alabama a couple of weeks ago.
This is an interesting matchup. This Texas team is different.
They're pois to win the Big twelve. They're pois to
go to the College Football Playoff and finally breakthrough and
answer that question if Texas is back. The problem is
this Kansas team is feisty. Jade and Daniels at quarterback
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is a true playmaker. Lancelot Pole and Miss coaching staff
have been creative and if you'll recall the last time
Kansas came to Austin, it was a fifty seven to
fifty six shootout. I want to say in the overtime
Kansas shocked, everyone shocked. Texas won the game. That's not
the case here. Though this line is sixteen and a
half points. It's going to be different in the trenches
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because Texas is a more physical team. Their defense has
been extremely stingy. I think Texas walks away with this one.
You lay the sixteen and a half points. Next up
LSU taking on Old Miss in Oxford. LSU number thirteen
in the country after the loss earlier this season, I
know meant to Florida State and Old Miss number twenty
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coming off a loss that most recently against Alabama last week.
It's really going to come down to if LSU can
replicate what they saw from Alabama last week stopping the
rushing attack. Quin Shawn Jenkins for Old Miss, putting this
game on Jackson Dart's shoulders. I don't know that they
have the same explosiveness in the passing end they've had
in years past. I think LSU is starting to find itself.
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Jane d'angels four touchdowns just a week ago. Logan Diggs
has come out the running back spot for them too.
It's kind of emerged as the go to guy. And
defensively Els two hasn't been perfect, but I think they
can match up well enough versus Old Miss.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
LSU was given two and a half on the road.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You lay those two and a half points, and finally
my Notre Dame fight and Irish coming off a disappointing loss,
last week to Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
They had to raw it to take on Duke number seventeen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Duke, who's four and oh right now, a lot of
people remember their big win over Clempson the start of
the season. This Duke team can absolutely get after it.
One of the best defensive teams in the country. They
could run the football, that includes their quarterback Rodley Leonard.
But for Notre Dame, I think you saw the potential
of how good they can be. This is a good
defense as a team that could run the football, and really,
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to me, I think there's mismatches on the outside too
in the passing game where Sam Hartman is gonna be
able to utilize freshman wide receivers Jaden Greathhouse and Rico Flores.
So not to name fight n Iris are given five
and a half on the road, but you lay those
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
The undefeated season for Duke comes to an end, right
and there's your little four game preview.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
How about that little bounce back for the Fighting Irish.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I would have been a little more worried had they
won that game.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Maybe that's one of those hangover games, but given the atmosphere,
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know, game day will be there. They are going
to be extremely fired up.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I think it's a pissed off team, to be honest
with you, like, this is a Notre Dame team that's
pretty fired up about and disappointed and how last week transpired.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now we're going to talk with Albert Brier coming up
next hour, and I know, you know, obviously him being
in Ohio State blowhard and you being a Notre Dame alum,
that's gonna go sideways probably at some point as we
got the preview going the couple of weeks leading all
to the game.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Here's what I don't want him to lie about, and
I'm sure he will is he was texting me because
he was at a bar and he.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Said, dude, it's look sixty to forty.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, I got in the stadium and I'm looking around
him like, yeah, at best it's eighty twenty. And so
if he comes on here and says anything other, and
I hopefully if our listeners are still there by the
time he comes on, you will literally hear like you're
gonna hear a lie.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You will hear a lie told on national radio. Because
there was not that many Ohio State fans.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
It was definitely loud at times because of the Notre
Dame fan base there, So I can't wait for this
lie to transpire At some point later on the show, I.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Could see Ohio State fans dominating a stadium just about
anywhere except for Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State. And is
there anyone else that Ohio State wouldn't travel and outdo
the the home fan base? Like those three feel like those.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Iowa City maybe Iowa City. Yeah, it may be hard
to tell because they're both red.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
That's true. Yeah, Georgia, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, Yeah, there's Dree and Alabama. Yeah, upon further review, yeah,
there's there's at least a few teams that. Yeah, but
now who gave it to you the worst throughout the
course of the week or after the game? Was there
any any a hole back home who was like rubbing
it in after that game went down, Brady Quinn?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
No one really rubbing it in. I mean, people seem
to be perplexed about like my take on Ryan Day.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
They're like, how could well are you so critical of
right Day? I'm like, I mean, is me calling his
reaction bizarre?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Critical?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Is everyone in this world that flipping soft.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We're like, you can't look at how a coach reacted
in that moment and look at it and go that
was like, that was bizarre, because I'll be honest with you,
I'm probably like many other people. I didn't hear what
lou Holtz had said nor and then once I went
back and watched it, I go, that's offensive. Like if
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you really go back through all the losses that Ryan
Day has lost in his tenure at Ohio State, only
one time, only one time, all right, have they been
out rushed and haven't been able to stop the opponent
running the football.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Have they won? That was Clemson.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That's the only time other than that, If they haven't
won the ground attack, all right, and they you know,
if they haven't rushed for more yards and they have
defense and stopped for like they've lost those games versus
Bama and you know, Georgia or whoever, Michigan who everyone
has thrown in the conversation, they've lost those games.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And by the way, that doesn't that doesn't just stop
with Bryan Day.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Like the Iowa Purdue losses that Urban Meyer faced, they
lost the rushing attack of both those games. And so
it's like everyone attributes running the football to like physicality
and toughness, and him saying that, like, oh, Notre Dame
is going to probably run the football for more, which,
by the way, they did, they out rushed Ohio State.
The reality was, though, they didn't make the players the
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other place that they needed to in the critical moment,
so they lost the game. But him saying that wasn't
not true, and I did, I didn't look at us
like a slight to Ryan Day. He was just like, yeah,
I think this Notre Dames kind of teams built like
these teams have been in the past. That's what I
think is gonna happen. So anyway, the.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Reaction that I got from that was like, oh, it's
being critical.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I was like, I mean, yeah, I guess it's critical
in the sense of, like if you're head coach after
a game where you've got your quarterback who has a
tremendous drive down the stretch, your players played their tails
off in a physical battle, win it, and you don't
talk about them first off of that win, like moments
after the win occurs like yeah, that struck me as
a bit odd, Like is that taking a shot?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know, but you.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Could have said whatever you want about lou Holtz at
your press conference after the game.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't know that that was like the moment that
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
As a player, i'd want to be like, if I'm
calm Accord, like, dude, I had third down throws in conversions,
fourth down conversions, Like I'd want to hear my coach
excited he is about with the step that I took
as his quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He came up very sensitive too, obviously hearing the criticism
and hearing the words. And I was the same thing
when I was watching it on the plane, I was like,
what is he talking about? What did lou Holds says?
I thought it was just something from months ago, And
then lou Holtz was asked about it this week and
just doubled down.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Yeah, I'm sorry not think he said, wasn't it wasn't true.
It's great, man. I love this coach on coach crime.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think it's fantastic. It's great for the sport, it's
fun to do. Nobody.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
There's there's some people like, oh, if you criticize you know,
Ryan Dale, you're an idiot, And I'm like, well, there's
a lot of other idiotic things people do in public sometimes,
you know, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I don't know that that was necessarily, you know, idiotic anyway, So.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't think it. I don't think it was a criticism.
I think you gave your opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know, I think people as a player, woult you
have paints their defense, defense played great.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Once you kind of be like, why is coach not
talking about us? Look like you're saying I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Another thing is like the games on NBC and that
was like on Friday on ESPN, and so like I
think there's a disconnect to and him thinking like everyone
saw this.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It's like, well, dude, no one knows what you're talking
about what lou Holtz said.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I don't think too many people care outside of that situation.
I just exactly, it's an opinion, like it is what
it is, like moving on, like who cares? Like you
thought it was bizarre, Like it doesn't matter, Like it's
it is what it is, Like you're allowed. You're entitled
to feel that way. Ryan Day is entitled to feel
like he was slighted. You know, lou Holtz is entitled
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to give his information. I mean, it's it's you know,
their coaches, we're analysts, their fans out there. Everybody's going
to think what they're going to think, how they're going
through think it. Like, I just get I find it
weird when people condemn others for having opinions, like they're
going to come at you for having an opinion about
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thinking it's bizarre, Like there's what it is. I'm sure
somebody thinks there's something bizarre about the opinion that they
have about something, you know, And there's what it is.
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to South Bend for that classic between his Ohio's Day
Buck guys and the Notre Dame Finding Irish Albert Breer,
(31:30):
how are we feeling here?
Speaker 9 (31:32):
How are we doing?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Brady?
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
No, oh wow, wow wow, Hey hey album about the
Tell me about the crowd there. Tell tell every all
our listeners about the crowd, the split between ohiuse State
Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
It was pretty heavy. Note I will say this like
I'd never been there before, and everybody through the word rounds,
through the word special around about that campus and about
the stadium, and uh, it was awesome. It was awesome.
It lived up to expectations and you're right, like it
was not. I think like it's a Georgia game. That's
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a bad one for you guys, right like that that
was the invasion or whatever. It was a lot of
green and not as much red, but you could tell
there were a fair amount of us there at the
end when it started emptying out.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Oh wow, it helped to It helps to it when
you've got some guys in white and black.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Two that might have might have helped the.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Cust Oh yeah, yeah, bang, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm looking for that. Ohio State got the win.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Kyle maccord made the plays he needed to down the stretch,
and then obviously you know the final two plays. I mean,
if you can't put eleven out there on the field,
you don't deserve to win, right like. That's that's the
ultimate truth of it, and not dame fans have to
deal with that. And look, Ohio State still got Penn
State mission on the schedule. Those are some big, big
time matchups. And we'll see what this conversation sounds like
(33:03):
after you got to play against Penn State coming up?
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Yeah, or you're rooting Penn State because I thought we
should be rooting for each other now, right, shouldn't we be?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Why?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Why is that? Albert was yeah, Albert. First of all,
I can take a bias here.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
What's better you can we can make your loss looks better.
It's like a mutual benefit here. Plus we have we
have we have one common enemy, Austin Notre Dame.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
I know that, Bang bang.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I mean, Ohio State fans have had a lot to
say after Ryan Day's postgame comments and then how I
kind of just said it seemed kind of bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
But how do you feel about those those game comments, Albert?
Speaker 9 (33:44):
I mean, I think that the guy who had to
listen to a narrative about his team for I mean
going on two years now, was frustrated with it and
like just having some insight into what was happening in
that building over the days leading up the game. I
know they felt like everybody was crapping on them all week,
(34:05):
and I think the lou Holtz things just I would
say lou Holtz was in the unfortunate spot of like
sort of keying it up for them where it just
kind of made everything that had built up over the
course of the week explode. And so I don't think
it was specific to lou Holtz as much as it
was right. We've been hearing this for four or five
(34:26):
days now. We've been hearing how we are physical for
two years, we've been hearing how Notre Dame is the
better team and they're going to beat us. And then
the former Notre Dame coach goes and basically says everything
that everybody had been saying about them all week, and
I mean just keyed it up for them. So, by
the way, fun fact, did you guys know that this
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is real too? Lou Holtz was actually in the loom
the last time Notre Dame beat Ohio State. That's a
true fact. That's the true true that's a that's a
real fact. You can look that up.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Bang well, they're The real fact is you made of
State still didn't stop Notre Dame's rushing attack.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I mean Notre Dame rush for one hundred and seventy five.
I was saying, like, if the questions came.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Out albert about their ability to run the football, stop
the run, they're still kind of there, are they not?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (35:15):
No, I'd agree with that, Like I think, I think
the biggest question was answered on Saturday to me was
whether or not they ohiot has I think Yeah? I
mean yeah, I mean I think he played tough, like
you just saw a kid who was really level in
a big moment. Like I don't know that CJ would
have you know, CJ was a great player at Ohio State.
I don't know that CJ would have pulled off what
(35:37):
Kyle did you know in the last two minutes that game.
So like that, that part of it's really really good.
But I mean, yeah, I think that there's no question
that the line of scrimmage issue that Ohio State had,
you know, against Michigan a couple of years ago. I mean,
and you look, grant a Notre Dame has a great
offensive line or really good defensive front. But I would
(35:57):
say like that that part of the game is a
lot better than it was. But there's still some some
some ground to make up, no question.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
So as we transition over to the NFL, Albert, I
got to ask you, because are you have you heard
anything yet as to are there some teams out there
that have been so bad early on that we're talking
about potential hot seats or coaches. I know Brandon Staley,
you know, was bailed out by his defense, but how
close are we getting to maybe some organizations looking at
(36:30):
some changes here coming up when it comes to the
coaching staffs around the league.
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yeah, I mean the couple that I would look at,
I mean, it just just kind of like big picture
where some of these teams are at. I think, you know,
certainly there are going to be some questions about the
Bears and where they're headed coming out of this year
if it doesn't get better, and this is going to
be a critical couple of weeks for them, or a
critical critical stretch of five days for them, because you know,
(36:59):
like last week, I think coming out of the things
that happened with their coordinators with you know, obviously the
defensive coordinator resigning, and I think a lot a lot
less serious thing with the offensive coordinator, and justin fields
you can sort of see coming like what came, which
was lots of Kansas City. You know, this is a
really bad spot for them over the next five Over
(37:20):
the next week they play on Sunday the the Broncos,
and then four days later on Thursday night the Commanders.
I think they need to look a lot better, you know.
And I think that at the very least, I'm not
saying they need to go to and zero in that stretch.
But I think they need to look like more of
a group that's locked in and still playing hard for
(37:41):
Matt Ebrok Boos, and the program needs to look like
it's still in the right place. And so I think,
you know, if if this is just the beginning of
the team circling the drain, I think that you know,
Bears would certainly be one that we weren't looking at
before the season that you'd have to look at based
on what's happened here over the first three weeks. You know,
(38:02):
I think that, you know, like the pressure on the
Jets to win certainly is there. And so you know,
I think if as long as they get close to
five hundred this year, I think Robert salim as staff
are okay, if this winds up being a three or
four or five win team, you know, which I think
they've got. The talent is way better than that there,
(38:23):
then you know, I think certainly those questions are going
to be asked, like you have to act with urgency
and go and bring in another coach for Aaron Rodgers
in twenty twenty four, presuming he comes back. The Brandon
Say question is going to be out there certainly because
of you know, like his contract and he's only got
one year left on his contract after this year, so
a sort of a decision point coming there. And obviously
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there's a lot of talent on the roster, you know,
Josh McDaniels in Vegas. You know, I think that they
have to show as they've made progress. We haven't really
seen a ton of that in the first three weeks,
so like there are a handful where you can say,
you know, I would a hot seat yet, but you're
at least kind of like watching how the next few
weeks go where you know, in those situations, maybe that's
(39:08):
something we're talking about. Come, you know, play around November first.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Abe, I got two questions for you.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I mean, I guess it's two questions, but two big,
two big games this weekend. Estimation that I'm paying close
attention to the Ravens versus the Browns and Miami versus Buffalo.
Can you tell me, Like, I know it's early in
the year, but what I mean, you got to believe
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that there's some tremendous implications connected to the Browns and
the Ravens game. Also, I mean, if Miami seems to
be a step up game for them. If they can
win this game against Buffalo, maybe they've put everybody on
notice that they're actually for real. What's your take on it?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Yeah, So like with the with the Browns Ravens game,
I think this is sort of approve it game in
a lot of ways for the Browns. You know, if
the defense has been almost historically good for three weeks
under Jim Schwartz, I think that sort of emerged as
one of the underrated moves of the offseason to the
higher of Jim Schwartz. And if you look at Schwartz's resume,
maybe we should have seen this coming. But I mean,
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to only allow one offensive touchdowns for three weeks obviously
is outstanding, and now being able to do it in
a big spot against the division rival team that's been
good for a long long time would mean a lot.
And then I think to Shaun Watson building on what
he did last week, which you know, I know the
coaches had sort of drilled into Seawan going into the
game against Tennessee. We want you to be completion driven,
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we want you to take the easy ones, and I
think they got some results off of that. So whether
or not Deshaun can build on that going up against
a really good Ravens defense, you know, it sort of
becomes that sort of proving ground for both Watson and
the Browns defense, you know. And then the Miami Buffalo game,
to me, I think, if Miami is what we think
if they are, then this becomes a real heavyweight out.
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And I think, what's so amazing about what Mike McDaniel's
done in Miami. It's And I had a scout say
this to me, you know, on Sunday, like right after
the Dolphins got done playing. He said, like, what's so
unique about them is it's not often that you see
a team this dynamic and explosive but also efficient and
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consistently productive, and so like, I went back and I
looked at the performance on Sunday against the Broncos, and granted,
Denver's not playing well, but I mean they didn't face
the third down guys until the second quarter, and they
weren't third and long in any third and more than
four right any third, and more than four until their
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seventh touchdown drive. I mean, that level of efficiency is insane,
and you figure the defense is going to keep getting
better with Vic Fangio, there. I haven't been great for
three weeks, but you figure it's going to get better
over over the course of the season with Vic there,
and this becomes a real heavyweight out because I think
UFOs rounded into form after that really disappointing opener against
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the Jets, and they've looked really good the last two weeks,
so you know where I think like the Browns Ravens
game becomes like a pre proving ground for Cleveland, a
chance for them to kind of level up. I look
at the Miami Buffalo game, and again, if Miami is
who thinks who they are, we shouldn't look at Miami
as an up and coming team anymore. This should be
a heavyweight a heavyweight.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Fight Albert as we talk about then the Denver Broncos
moving forward, I mean, obviously the finger the blame gets
pointed at at one to two spots, either the head
coach or the quarterback. The head coach is Scott there
is this ultimately going to fall on Russell Wilson. Then
if they can't figure this out, even though again I
mean it's not like he was out there trying to
play defense, you know, and you could sign if you
(42:45):
want about where the offense is at but I just
feel like that right now it feels pretty uncomfortable out
in Denver.
Speaker 9 (42:51):
If you're a Broncos then right, yeah, And I think
bradiy like the thing that's tough is like like Russell
Wilson's Contract's going to be really difficult to get out of.
And I think, in fairness, I think you're right like
to bring that up, like he really hasn't been the problem.
Like when I went back and I watched that game again,
like I think it was mostly fine, you know, like
it wasn't it certainly wasn't him that was letting Tyreek
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Hill and Devin a chain and all those guys run
free for the secondary, like you know, So I think
Denver's interest in an interesting spot. You know, I mentioned
that with the with the Bears, how their their schedule
becomes a little bit more manageable. Well, same goes for
the Broncos. The Broncos have the Bears this week and
then they have the Jets the week after that. So
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can they get it together and look like, you know,
like a playoff contending team over the next two weeks.
I think that that's gonna I think that's gonna tell
us a lot about where they go. I think it
could affect the way that they handle everything up to
the trade deadline, you know, because if they come out
of this and five and they somehow lose about the
Bears and the Jets, well, now are we talking about
(43:56):
And I don't think the trade passer can. But when
they talk about trading just the Simmons or Jerry Judy
or Courtland something, They've got good players in that team,
Garrett Gold that they could get something for. So, you know,
I think they're at a really critical point. Here's the
other thing that I think is sort of interesting, and
you guys could probably speak to this better than me.
Sean Payton ran a really old school, tough, difficult training
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camp and a really old school tough offseason in general.
If the players aren't getting results, how are they going
to look at that? If they are one in four
or zero five coming out of the first five games
of the season, That's just something that's up on my
radar because those players went to a lot last year,
and obviously there were a lot of players who are
(44:39):
who are out on what Na Sanuel Hackett and that
staff had done by the end of last year. I mean,
is this going to be a roster that's going to
be quick to detach this year too. There's just a
lot going on there, and I think, interestingly enough, like
last year Russell Wilson was part of a huge part
(44:59):
of the problem. I almost feel like Russell Wilson is
way down the list of problems right now, and those
problems could become much bigger if they don't find a
way to get a couple wins over the next couple
of weeks and with a couple of very winnable games
against Chicago and the Jets get him.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Artistically speaking, sorry, I was just going to say, if
you look at Russell Wilson's overall stats this season compared
to Patrick Mahomes, they're not that far off. And by
the way, that does include obviously a Hail Mary touchdown
that makes it look a little better.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But the reality is like he hasn't been their biggest issue, no, no, no, And.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
I think like it's I just I wonder about the
mix there, Brady, when you have a team again that
was out pretty quickly on Nathaniel Hackett and now we're
three weeks into the Sean Payton era, and it didn't
look like they played particularly hard against the Dolphins. You know,
I just I think it's gonna be really interesting just
(45:54):
kind of seeing how locked in that team is over
the next couple of weeks to try and stay their season. Here.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Get him.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
We didn't mentioned Taylor Swift once. By the way, I
know you want to keep a kick, but you don't
want to do.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
You ask me about that?
Speaker 9 (46:07):
Do you guys? Get the whole thing scripted. I'm starting
to get convinced because the NFL is the NFL is
pushing this storyline pretty hard, and I see the benefits
are getting from it, and I don't know, they've always
been sort of after the female audience, so I might
be willing to put on my tinfoil hat on that
one a little bit.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
Yeah, It's does make sense.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I'm tired of it. They don't need that crap. Let
the NBA have those storylines. We got football here, you
know what I mean. You don't need any of that
beat this h Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer,
really confident, feeling good about things. Uh, he's got just
a huge matchup against Maryland coming up here and in
a little over.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
A week we'll be there for it. We'll be in
Columbus for.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
It, that's right.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So uh so we're going to catch up with Albert
next week. Senior out of a reporter at the MMQB.
Albert appreciated as always. Thanks for adjusting with us here
and coming on Friday, and we'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 9 (47:02):
Thanks, have a great weekend.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
There is a connection area by the way.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
What it's like that Thursday connection, I don't know. It's
very bizarre.
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well well, well, well, well, well Friday here, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Just a little NFC North action last night.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
That yeah, can I give you like the like my
perspective from just years of seeing the Lions. When you
grow up in Columbus, Ohio, you're obviously aware of like
some of the teams around you. You play for the Browns,
you you have a preseason game against them, all that.
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The way the game started, I kind of thought to myself, like,
this is that moment you ended Green Bay season last
year and it was kind of like ships passing in
the night, like this, this Lions team's becoming something, right,
especially when you end any chance or hope with the
Packers into the playoffs, and I was like that the
Lions team are becoming something. They were the betting favorite
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to win the division coming into the year. And then
I'm like, well, last night, though, that's the night you
got to do it. Like, if you want to be
at the top of the NFC North, you have to
go into Green Bay, you have to go to lambeau Field,
and you got to find a way of getting a win.
And that first series, the interception interception that got through,
I was like, oh, here we go again. Here all
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the hype, all this excite and everything else. I was like,
here we go again. And then the defense comes out
and the defense gets some stumps, they get a whole day,
They force a field goal, and then you watch that
next drive and the Lions go right down the field
and answer with a touchdown. Next drive, right down the
I believe that love got picked off. The next series
and then they go right back down the field touchdown.
It's like fourteen to three. I'm going, Okay, this is different.
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This is different. This is not the old Lions. This
is not what we thought. This is what everyone had
talked about before the season. Then becoming they're here, and
it was it's pretty dark cool.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Want to see man an organization that is not gotten there.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And you know, I don't want to sound like I'm
making too much of one game, but that's how.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I saw the beginning of this game.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And once it started taking place, it was like, Okay,
this is different.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It feels different. The Lions are legit right now.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
A Jonas Yeah, Q sounds very excited about the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Man, like super excited?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
How could you not be excited about football?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I mean, you know what, that was a great segue
because that's what I was feeling, like, you are excited
about the Detroit Lions, but you are also excited about football.
That's what I was thinking in my head, and that's
what I was like, like Jonas, like he's super excited.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, it definitely is. Yeah, and it's appropriate considering.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
That it is appropriate. I'm looking at let's see, it's
where are you looking at?
Speaker 7 (02:48):
Let's see it's September twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Is what is September twenty ninth? What is that?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (02:54):
What getting at?
Speaker 6 (02:56):
What? What? What? What was I getting at?
Speaker 7 (02:58):
It's a football prie. Come on, come on, yeah, come on.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
De Troy come on, yeah the big line, come on,
come on yeah, Detroy Detroit him and now come on twelve,
come on, come on, Sam, cut that man, come on,
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come on.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Let's get real with it. Let's let's let's do this.
Let's do this.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Let's cool. Yeah, right night, Friday, Okay, good by.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I don't like I like that, you guys know, I
do not like.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
His behind that head like that.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Montgomery.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Yeah, it is a football Friday here on.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I don't like his very I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm not down with that version come out by the way.
That's like, that's like when Usher comes out for the
halftime show. You know, he's playing all his hits and
the next thing, you know, you go a country band
that comes out after.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Yeah, just trying to with that, trying to force it in.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I like country. I like you know, hip hop, R
and B, but.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You never heard of what you call never heard of
what you call country and rap together it's called Yeah,
it's not good if you combine them both. You gotta
appreciate them separately.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
You know.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Some people say that's fair. Some people say the sea
and rap is silent.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know that's what I is that right, Yeah, some
people that aren't fans of rap music, they say the
sea is silent. You know. My favorite part of the
game last night, the final touchdown drive for the Detroit Lions.
They just pounded the football and just said, we're going
to give it to David Montgomery as many times as
humanly possible. Oh, third and long, we're going to give it.
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We're going to run the ball all fourth and short.
We're going to run the ball, the field goal, and
the personal foul call on the field goal, they get
the ball back and they just grind it down. And
that game was a rap. And I'm calling it right now.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
That stole their soul.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
That division is a rap.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, No, I don't know about that. There's way too
much time. I mean, think about it this way. The
Vikings haven't played a divisional game. I'm just saying, like
there's a lot of football left.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I just I don't think we should count out Green Bay.
I really don't. I think they were young, should count
out anyone.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
It's to count out Green Bay, Yeah, I don't. And
and they're wounded.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You know, Christian was just getting back, Aaron Jones was
just getting back.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
I mean, they were.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was limited contributions from them, I thought. I thought
Jordan Love actually under the circumstances, you know, being under
duress a little bit, you know, dealing with you know,
just I mean, they were they were pretty relentless upfront.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Detroit, well they didn't handled it. They didn't have Bakti.
That was that. That didn't hurt them for a while.
And if they were banged up on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
So very true.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
But I'll say this though, and not win. While I
felt like it was very impressive for the Lions to
play the way that they did, my question coming out
of the game, based off of what you just said, Jonas,
if they get up against the team that is stout
against the run, and they will get up against some
teams that are stout against the run, can they do
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it in the air? Can they Can they win it
throwing the ball? And to me, that's still that wasn't
a question that was answered for me last night because
it didn't have to happen. Like GoF made some good throws.
Golf always is known to make some good throws.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I think he can do it in the air. But
can he do it at a high enough level where
they can win games where they're going to have to
utilize passing the ball to win? That was my like,
I was impressed, I don't think I don't think I
saw anything that I didn't expect out of Detroit in
this game. We said it in the show, we detailed it.
They're going to come out and they're going to impose
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their physical will against Green Bay. That's that's what we
talked about. That was going to be the game play,
and that's exactly what they did. But if you get
up against a team that can stand up and match
what you're doing up front, can they win it in
the air? And I think that that was, you know, impressed,
very impressed though.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, they've they've proven in the past that they can
do it. You'd be hard pressed to find a quarterback
that's playing better football than Jared Goff since Week thirteen
of last year. I mean, people tend to forget what
were they won in seven at one point last year? Yeah,
and then they've ripped off that stream of that string
of wins, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
They should have been a playoff time last year if
the Seattle wins. Sure, going into that final game like
they had nothing to play for and still whoop that
ass in Green Bay whooped that ad.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, but the greater point is that, like,
I don't think you can count anyone out or say
it's a rap right now. There's too much football left
to be played, and especially within the division, which you
know ultimately you may only get one team out of
the out of this division. So that's kind of why
I say, like this is a tight division. You know,
the Packers are now what two and two and is that?
I don't think that was their first division game.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Their first game?
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Their first game, well, they had to buy week week,
So they're one on.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
One now of the division, the Vikings having played a
divisional game. You got the Lions and not have to
go back look at their divisional matchup. But I just
they're right now the most physical team upfront in that division,
and I think that's what's.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Winning in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Like when you talk to NFL general managers, they'll say, like, hey, man,
if you got a quarterback, it's such a luxury because
then you could do exactly what Philly did, what San
Francisco has.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Done, Like look at the formula.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
What have both of those teams done in the draft
for years? They should go draft first round defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I mean for real.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's how you build it up to the point where
like if you want to find the quickness weakness to
every single team, you go have some maulers up front,
and you just can't find good enough flyman that can
hold up enough.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
So even when you've got a quarterback, doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
If you don't have a line to protect them, you're
gonna be facing some of the best teams to have
these maulers up front and they'll get after it. So
kudos to Thetroit Lions and the way they've kind of
started to build this roster too. Obviously having a guy
that Aiden hutcheson. You saw his impact in last night's game.
But that's the formula right now. Man, you can build
up those O line D lines, you're gonna be consistently good.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
For a while.
Speaker 9 (09:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There was a tale of two coaches, a lot of
different just a differing in moods following the game. Now,
do you want to hear Dan Campbell just talk very
positively or or we can hear a right, So we'll
hear Dan Campbell first, because then we've got a red
ass on the flip side of that.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
So let's listen to the Lions head coach.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
That was outstanding.
Speaker 10 (09:42):
You know, that was that was a fun one for
the guys, and you know, I really it was a
total team effort, you know, And it's easy to go
through here, and it's actually not easy to go through
here and start picking out individual players.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
There's a ton of guys that played really well.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
But you know, I didn't realize this, but that was
David Montgomery's first time to get a win against the Packers,
so that.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
That's pretty impressive. And then and three.
Speaker 10 (10:06):
Touchdowns, first time that we've got a line drum beat
that's gotten that hurt Lambo, So that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So there it is just sticking a knife in the
heart of Bears fans, reminding him the David Montgomery had
never had a win against the Packers and goes into
lambeau Field as a member the Detroit Lion.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
So there was that.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And then there was Matt Lafleur, who was not happy
as he walked out of the tunnel to start the
second half because of the way the game started, and
so he was asked about it by local media there
in Green Bay. And this is how that interaction took place.
Speaker 10 (10:39):
It happens when you have a to cause the first
half like that, where you.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
Couldn't get anhing Pete, I mean, got her ask kicked.
It wouldn't have happened, Matt, they didn't. Let's until at
bs question.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Man Bank not happy at all, I mean, Lily just
asking a question.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And but but don't you think there's there's elements though
of like I mean, now the decision they made years
ago is confronting them right, Like they chose to draft
the guy to replace Aaron Rodgers and this comes with it, yeah,
like like this is the And by the way, other
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Green Bay Packers front office executives and coaches have had
to go through this before because when they drafted the
guy to replace Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
They also had to go through this.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And if you go back and look at that first season,
it was a difficult season for those that made that
decision to then buy into that decision because it wasn't
like they were a bunch of world beaters. They didn't
make the playoffs. You know, Rogers played okay that year.
It was the next year with things yeah yeah, And
it was the next year where they really they excelled
and went and moved forward. So this is where they're at.
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It might be a year where again you missed the playoffs,
but this time with Jordan Love and you again you
hear those doubters and you hear all that they've just
got to stay focused on the long term, like getting
finding a solution at left tackle. And that's not to
say David Bactierre is not the solution and healthy, but
he's almost never healthy anymore. You know, they've got to
find some pieces offensively to get this team that's consistently
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play at a certain level. Like it was great to
see Aaron Jones back and Christian Watson back, but those
this is their first time be going to come back.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
So I just that's where they're at right now.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
The Packers, they're not in rebuild mode, but they're trying
to rekind of shape how this team is going to
operate and move forward with Jordan Love as their quarterback
in order to win an NFNFC North title. And you
know it might it might take another year. Like it's
not gonna be able to happen right now right away,
given at least what we watched last night.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I don't know that they're not in rebuilt mode. They
might have they might not have a choice but to
be in rebuilt mode. I think it's going to It's
too early to say if they where they are to
me technically, but it could play out where they go up.
They start trending up, and they had the talent to
do so, but it could also trend down. And and
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I'm not certain if Watson can get healthy and can
establish himself as that you know, that number one, like
that true weapon that that Jordan Love can depend on.
If Aaron Jones can can stay healthy, what's the I'm
not certain what's going on with Dylan. What's what's the
deal with Dylan? I'm not sure about that situation. Is
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he still hurt or is he like is he not
a part of the rotation anymore?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But for me, if if if I don't see some
of the stars that we've come to know do some
of the things that they need to do in order
for this team to take a definitive step forward from
from the loss of Aaron Rodgers at the quarterback's position.
I don't know that they're not in a rebuilt state.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I mean, Romeo Dobbs has played well. Like him and
Jordan Love have a certain little.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I like Dobbs. But do y'all look at Dobbs as
a number one.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
No, But I think it's developing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I just I look at it and I go they
were not a playoff team last year with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
It's going to take time.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I mean, like for Packers fans, if the expectation was
what we expect to be in the postseason this year,
it's like, Okay, well, then that's not being realistic and
on the Bactiari stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
I'm not I'm not basing I'm not basing saying rebuild
off of if they make the playoffs this year. It's
a daunting task. I don't care if you're Peyton Manning
and you're Tom Brady and you're replacing Aaron Rodgers, that's
a daunting task for anyone. If you're Brady Quinn, that's
a daunting task anyone to almost cursed. You almost made
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me curse and me talking about it. You're asking me
it's a very daunting task to have to do that,
and then not to mention that there's the whole legacy
of what the quarterback position has represented in Green Bay.
So it's I think that he's I think he's handled
it very well. But I still I'm not basing it
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off of making the playoffs this year. I'm basing it
off of can these guys develop into what we've seen
from a Jordie Nelson or a Greg Jennings or you know,
a Jones? Can can they can we see what you know?
Does somebody look like Amon Green or like I need
to see the offensive line look look better. I need
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to see those things before I say they're not rebuilding.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Well.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think again, they've got a rash of injuries coming
into it. If you saw the injury report, you know
bok Tyario was going to be out, Jingins was on
the injury report, Zach tom.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
And the injury.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I mean, there was a bunch of guys banged up
and we didn't really watching were limited Watson. Yeah, they
end up playing though, But uh, but Dylan aj Dillon
your point, he's fully healthy. The just he's not been
able to provide them the burst I think that they
were hoping for out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I mean, there's there's nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I think there was some trade rumblings with him as
well too before the season.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
There's some stuff out there.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
So maybe and these it's interesting because it always goes
back to here's a second round pick. Remember, and these
were the sorts of decisions that the front office made
when remember we were clamoring for them the draft, the
wide receiver, I mean, and this was one of the
picks they went with instead. I believe in the twenty
twenty draft, like when you go back and look through
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the front office decisions of the Green Bay Packers in
those drafts and where they could have been spending some
of those picks in.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
That draft capital. It's pretty telling.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Man Like I would say Rogers actually helped make up
for some of their I will say misses, but I'll
say some of the decisions of pieces that really they
either didn't need or didn't need as badly as other spots.
And this is again going back to the initial point
a couple moments ago. This is what happens when you
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move on from a future Hall of Famer and this
and they made made these decisions. They made this bed.
They've got to lay in it now. And you're watching
other teams like the Detroit Lions, who I think have
been more focused on how they've built their fronts on
each side of the ball, move past you right now
in the division and that's gonna happen. But they they've
got to, really, I think, look inside themselves and look
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into this next draft and free agency and figure out,
you know, what their needs are.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I personally don't feel like it's a rebuild.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I think they've got they've got to reshape what this
roster looks like with Jordan Love now moving.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Forward, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So last week we launched the debut of a segment
we don't have a name for yet, trying to put
together some bells and whistles and get everything dialed in
for one Braden Quinn as he looks around the top
twenty five of college football.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Now, you've got four games you want to take a
look at this weekend there, BQ.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
But yeah, four games where you've got two teams in
the top twenty five. Squaring off actually starts off tonight,
but I'll let you kind.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Of get into it first.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So let's so we are still developing a segment title
for it.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
I'm calling it Quinn's Wins. But you know like that, yeah,
I mean, there's there's that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's kind of a play on the T shirt we
saw in Dublin where the woman had the shirt that
said I would sin for Quinn. You know, kind of
a rhyme on the last name that was out there. Yeah,
that was flowing around. It's fun shirt, fun shirt.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
There was a lot of shirts back in the day,
as a lot of shirts.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
I don't know why she grabbed it from my bag,
but she did.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
You said, it's a sin with Quinn. I would sin
for I would send for Quinn.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The problem is my last name, Knox runs with too
many things that are a little bit bound.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
There, so if you want to get creative there, but nonetheless,
we will come up with a name at some point.
But forget the name and forget all that other fun.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I mean, you could do a shirt in the box
with knocks.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
You know.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yeah, that's just not r that's not rot.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
In the box.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta gotta.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm just saying it rhymes.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Yeah, it's true. That definitely is true. All right, but
right right now, without further ado, take it away, BQ.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
All right, we're gonna kick off our four game action
here tonight on FS one eight pm Eastern sign Utah
is headed to Core Vallas to take on Oregon State.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Utah the number ten team the country.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Despite the fact that Cam Rise and this starting quarterback
has yet to start a game this season. Nate Johnson
did a great job last week and Utah's win over
uc LA, but it was more poorly the ground. I
should say that the ground attack, running game, and then
the rush defense with stout versus UCLA, They're gonna have
to be up for the task again.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
This is a more completely.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Oregon State team, granted coming off of loss last week
in Pullman, Washington, but dj Uyungo La La has been
transformed a bit Fenwick. The running backs were the best
in the Pac twelve at Oregon State's defense is as
good as it gets.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The line initially started at three points. It's crept up
now to four and a half. I think there was
speculation that maybe Cam Rising would be back for this one.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Some of those some of those doubts are starting to
creep back in, like he might not be there. And
I'll remind you this is a Utah team. They're four
to oh top ten in the country, dead last and
the Pack twelve and throwing the football. They need their
quarterback back. I'm not so short happens. That being said, though,
I'll take the four and a half points. You don't
bet against Kyle Winningham the way he's coached up this
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team this year. All right, Next on Saturday, we've got
a match up between Kansas, who's four to oh, number
twenty four in the country.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They're head Dawston to take on the Longhorns.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
We're also four to OHO, sitting at number three, obviously
after their big win versus Alabama a couple of weeks ago.
This is an interesting matchup. This Texas team is different.
They're pois to win the Big twelve. They're pois to
go to the College Football Playoff and finally breakthrough and
answer that question if Texas is back. The problem is
this Kansas team is feisty. Jade and Daniels at quarterback
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is a true playmaker. Lancelot Pole and Miss coaching staff
have been creative and if you'll recall the last time
Kansas came to Austin, it was a fifty seven to
fifty six shootout. I want to say in the overtime
Kansas shocked, everyone shocked. Texas won the game. That's not
the case here. Though this line is sixteen and a
half points. It's going to be different in the trenches
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because Texas is a more physical team. Their defense has
been extremely stingy. I think Texas walks away with this one.
You lay the sixteen and a half points. Next up
LSU taking on Old Miss in Oxford. LSU number thirteen
in the country after the loss earlier this season, I
know meant to Florida State and Old Miss number twenty
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coming off a loss that most recently against Alabama last week.
It's really going to come down to if LSU can
replicate what they saw from Alabama last week stopping the
rushing attack. Quin Shawn Jenkins for Old Miss, putting this
game on Jackson Dart's shoulders. I don't know that they
have the same explosiveness in the passing end they've had
in years past. I think LSU is starting to find itself.
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Jane d'angels four touchdowns just a week ago. Logan Diggs
has come out the running back spot for them too.
It's kind of emerged as the go to guy. And
defensively Els two hasn't been perfect, but I think they
can match up well enough versus Old Miss.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
LSU was given two and a half on the road.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
You lay those two and a half points, and finally
my Notre Dame fight and Irish coming off a disappointing loss,
last week to Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
They had to raw it to take on Duke number seventeen.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Duke, who's four and oh right now, a lot of
people remember their big win over Clempson the start of
the season. This Duke team can absolutely get after it.
One of the best defensive teams in the country. They
could run the football, that includes their quarterback Rodley Leonard.
But for Notre Dame, I think you saw the potential
of how good they can be. This is a good
defense as a team that could run the football, and really,
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to me, I think there's mismatches on the outside too
in the passing game where Sam Hartman is gonna be
able to utilize freshman wide receivers Jaden Greathhouse and Rico Flores.
So not to name fight n Iris are given five
and a half on the road, but you lay those
five and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
The undefeated season for Duke comes to an end, right
and there's your little four game preview.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
How about that little bounce back for the Fighting Irish.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I would have been a little more worried had they
won that game.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Maybe that's one of those hangover games, but given the atmosphere,
it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know, game day will be there. They are going
to be extremely fired up.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I think it's a pissed off team, to be honest
with you, like, this is a Notre Dame team that's
pretty fired up about and disappointed and how last week transpired.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now we're going to talk with Albert Brier coming up
next hour, and I know, you know, obviously him being
in Ohio State blowhard and you being a Notre Dame alum,
that's gonna go sideways probably at some point as we
got the preview going the couple of weeks leading all
to the game.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Here's what I don't want him to lie about, and
I'm sure he will is he was texting me because
he was at a bar and he.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Said, dude, it's look sixty to forty.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, I got in the stadium and I'm looking around
him like, yeah, at best it's eighty twenty. And so
if he comes on here and says anything other, and
I hopefully if our listeners are still there by the
time he comes on, you will literally hear like you're
gonna hear a lie.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You will hear a lie told on national radio. Because
there was not that many Ohio State fans.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
It was definitely loud at times because of the Notre
Dame fan base there, So I can't wait for this
lie to transpire At some point later on the show, I.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Could see Ohio State fans dominating a stadium just about
anywhere except for Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State. And is
there anyone else that Ohio State wouldn't travel and outdo
the the home fan base? Like those three feel like those.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Iowa City maybe Iowa City. Yeah, it may be hard
to tell because they're both red.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
That's true. Yeah, Georgia, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, Yeah, there's Dree and Alabama. Yeah, upon further review, yeah,
there's there's at least a few teams that. Yeah, but
now who gave it to you the worst throughout the
course of the week or after the game? Was there
any any a hole back home who was like rubbing
it in after that game went down, Brady Quinn?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
No one really rubbing it in. I mean, people seem
to be perplexed about like my take on Ryan Day.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
They're like, how could well are you so critical of
right Day? I'm like, I mean, is me calling his
reaction bizarre?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Critical?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Is everyone in this world that flipping soft.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We're like, you can't look at how a coach reacted
in that moment and look at it and go that
was like, that was bizarre, because I'll be honest with you,
I'm probably like many other people. I didn't hear what
lou Holtz had said nor and then once I went
back and watched it, I go, that's offensive. Like if
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you really go back through all the losses that Ryan
Day has lost in his tenure at Ohio State, only
one time, only one time, all right, have they been
out rushed and haven't been able to stop the opponent
running the football.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Have they won? That was Clemson.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
That's the only time other than that, If they haven't
won the ground attack, all right, and they you know,
if they haven't rushed for more yards and they have
defense and stopped for like they've lost those games versus
Bama and you know, Georgia or whoever, Michigan who everyone
has thrown in the conversation, they've lost those games.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And by the way, that doesn't that doesn't just stop
with Bryan Day.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Like the Iowa Purdue losses that Urban Meyer faced, they
lost the rushing attack of both those games. And so
it's like everyone attributes running the football to like physicality
and toughness, and him saying that, like, oh, Notre Dame
is going to probably run the football for more, which,
by the way, they did, they out rushed Ohio State.
The reality was, though, they didn't make the players the
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other place that they needed to in the critical moment,
so they lost the game. But him saying that wasn't
not true, and I did, I didn't look at us
like a slight to Ryan Day. He was just like, yeah,
I think this Notre Dames kind of teams built like
these teams have been in the past. That's what I
think is gonna happen. So anyway, the.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Reaction that I got from that was like, oh, it's
being critical.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
I was like, I mean, yeah, I guess it's critical
in the sense of, like if you're head coach after
a game where you've got your quarterback who has a
tremendous drive down the stretch, your players played their tails
off in a physical battle, win it, and you don't
talk about them first off of that win, like moments
after the win occurs like yeah, that struck me as
a bit odd, Like is that taking a shot?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't know, but you.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Could have said whatever you want about lou Holtz at
your press conference after the game.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't know that that was like the moment that
I think.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
As a player, i'd want to be like, if I'm
calm Accord, like, dude, I had third down throws in conversions,
fourth down conversions, Like I'd want to hear my coach
excited he is about with the step that I took
as his quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He came up very sensitive too, obviously hearing the criticism
and hearing the words. And I was the same thing
when I was watching it on the plane, I was like,
what is he talking about? What did lou Holds says?
I thought it was just something from months ago, And
then lou Holtz was asked about it this week and
just doubled down.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
Yeah, I'm sorry not think he said, wasn't it wasn't true.
It's great, man. I love this coach on coach crime.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Man.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think it's fantastic. It's great for the sport, it's
fun to do. Nobody.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
There's there's some people like, oh, if you criticize you know,
Ryan Dale, you're an idiot, And I'm like, well, there's
a lot of other idiotic things people do in public sometimes,
you know, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I don't know that that was necessarily, you know, idiotic anyway, So.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I don't think it. I don't think it was a criticism.
I think you gave your opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know, I think people as a player, woult you
have paints their defense, defense played great.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Once you kind of be like, why is coach not
talking about us? Look like you're saying I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Another thing is like the games on NBC and that
was like on Friday on ESPN, and so like I
think there's a disconnect to and him thinking like everyone
saw this.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It's like, well, dude, no one knows what you're talking
about what lou Holtz said.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
I don't think too many people care outside of that situation.
I just exactly, it's an opinion, like it is what
it is, like moving on, like who cares? Like you
thought it was bizarre, Like it doesn't matter, Like it's
it is what it is, Like you're allowed. You're entitled
to feel that way. Ryan Day is entitled to feel
like he was slighted. You know, lou Holtz is entitled
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to give his information. I mean, it's it's you know,
their coaches, we're analysts, their fans out there. Everybody's going
to think what they're going to think, how they're going
through think it. Like, I just get I find it
weird when people condemn others for having opinions, like they're
going to come at you for having an opinion about
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thinking it's bizarre, Like there's what it is. I'm sure
somebody thinks there's something bizarre about the opinion that they
have about something, you know, And there's what it is.
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to South Bend for that classic between his Ohio's Day
Buck guys and the Notre Dame Finding Irish Albert Breer,
(31:30):
how are we feeling here?
Speaker 9 (31:32):
How are we doing?
Speaker 6 (31:33):
Brady?
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
No, oh wow, wow wow, Hey hey album about the
Tell me about the crowd there. Tell tell every all
our listeners about the crowd, the split between ohiuse State
Notre Dame fans.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
It was pretty heavy. Note I will say this like
I'd never been there before, and everybody through the word rounds,
through the word special around about that campus and about
the stadium, and uh, it was awesome. It was awesome.
It lived up to expectations and you're right, like it
was not. I think like it's a Georgia game. That's
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a bad one for you guys, right like that that
was the invasion or whatever. It was a lot of
green and not as much red, but you could tell
there were a fair amount of us there at the
end when it started emptying out.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Oh wow, it helped to It helps to it when
you've got some guys in white and black.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Two that might have might have helped the.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Cust Oh yeah, yeah, bang, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm looking for that. Ohio State got the win.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Kyle maccord made the plays he needed to down the stretch,
and then obviously you know the final two plays. I mean,
if you can't put eleven out there on the field,
you don't deserve to win, right like. That's that's the
ultimate truth of it, and not dame fans have to
deal with that. And look, Ohio State still got Penn
State mission on the schedule. Those are some big, big
time matchups. And we'll see what this conversation sounds like
(33:03):
after you got to play against Penn State coming up?
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Yeah, or you're rooting Penn State because I thought we
should be rooting for each other now, right, shouldn't we be?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Why?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Why is that? Albert was yeah, Albert. First of all,
I can take a bias here.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
What's better you can we can make your loss looks better.
It's like a mutual benefit here. Plus we have we
have we have one common enemy, Austin Notre Dame.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
I know that, Bang bang.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I mean, Ohio State fans have had a lot to
say after Ryan Day's postgame comments and then how I
kind of just said it seemed kind of bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
But how do you feel about those those game comments, Albert?
Speaker 9 (33:44):
I mean, I think that the guy who had to
listen to a narrative about his team for I mean
going on two years now, was frustrated with it and
like just having some insight into what was happening in
that building over the days leading up the game. I
know they felt like everybody was crapping on them all week,
(34:05):
and I think the lou Holtz things just I would
say lou Holtz was in the unfortunate spot of like
sort of keying it up for them where it just
kind of made everything that had built up over the
course of the week explode. And so I don't think
it was specific to lou Holtz as much as it
was right. We've been hearing this for four or five
(34:26):
days now. We've been hearing how we are physical for
two years, we've been hearing how Notre Dame is the
better team and they're going to beat us. And then
the former Notre Dame coach goes and basically says everything
that everybody had been saying about them all week, and
I mean just keyed it up for them. So, by
the way, fun fact, did you guys know that this
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is real too? Lou Holtz was actually in the loom
the last time Notre Dame beat Ohio State. That's a
true fact. That's the true true that's a that's a
real fact. You can look that up.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Bang well, they're The real fact is you made of
State still didn't stop Notre Dame's rushing attack.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I mean Notre Dame rush for one hundred and seventy five.
I was saying, like, if the questions came.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Out albert about their ability to run the football, stop
the run, they're still kind of there, are they not?
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (35:15):
No, I'd agree with that, Like I think, I think
the biggest question was answered on Saturday to me was
whether or not they ohiot has I think Yeah? I
mean yeah, I mean I think he played tough, like
you just saw a kid who was really level in
a big moment. Like I don't know that CJ would
have you know, CJ was a great player at Ohio State.
I don't know that CJ would have pulled off what
(35:37):
Kyle did you know in the last two minutes that game.
So like that, that part of it's really really good.
But I mean, yeah, I think that there's no question
that the line of scrimmage issue that Ohio State had,
you know, against Michigan a couple of years ago. I mean,
and you look, grant a Notre Dame has a great
offensive line or really good defensive front. But I would
(35:57):
say like that that part of the game is a
lot better than it was. But there's still some some
some ground to make up, no question.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
So as we transition over to the NFL, Albert, I
got to ask you, because are you have you heard
anything yet as to are there some teams out there
that have been so bad early on that we're talking
about potential hot seats or coaches. I know Brandon Staley,
you know, was bailed out by his defense, but how
close are we getting to maybe some organizations looking at
(36:30):
some changes here coming up when it comes to the
coaching staffs around the league.
Speaker 9 (36:35):
Yeah, I mean the couple that I would look at,
I mean, it just just kind of like big picture
where some of these teams are at. I think, you know,
certainly there are going to be some questions about the
Bears and where they're headed coming out of this year
if it doesn't get better, and this is going to
be a critical couple of weeks for them, or a
critical critical stretch of five days for them, because you know,
(36:59):
like last week, I think coming out of the things
that happened with their coordinators with you know, obviously the
defensive coordinator resigning, and I think a lot a lot
less serious thing with the offensive coordinator, and justin fields
you can sort of see coming like what came, which
was lots of Kansas City. You know, this is a
really bad spot for them over the next five Over
(37:20):
the next week they play on Sunday the the Broncos,
and then four days later on Thursday night the Commanders.
I think they need to look a lot better, you know.
And I think that at the very least, I'm not
saying they need to go to and zero in that stretch.
But I think they need to look like more of
a group that's locked in and still playing hard for
(37:41):
Matt Ebrok Boos, and the program needs to look like
it's still in the right place. And so I think,
you know, if if this is just the beginning of
the team circling the drain, I think that you know,
Bears would certainly be one that we weren't looking at
before the season that you'd have to look at based
on what's happened here over the first three weeks. You know,
(38:02):
I think that, you know, like the pressure on the
Jets to win certainly is there. And so you know,
I think if as long as they get close to
five hundred this year, I think Robert salim as staff
are okay, if this winds up being a three or
four or five win team, you know, which I think
they've got. The talent is way better than that there,
(38:23):
then you know, I think certainly those questions are going
to be asked, like you have to act with urgency
and go and bring in another coach for Aaron Rodgers
in twenty twenty four, presuming he comes back. The Brandon
Say question is going to be out there certainly because
of you know, like his contract and he's only got
one year left on his contract after this year, so
a sort of a decision point coming there. And obviously
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there's a lot of talent on the roster, you know,
Josh McDaniels in Vegas. You know, I think that they
have to show as they've made progress. We haven't really
seen a ton of that in the first three weeks,
so like there are a handful where you can say,
you know, I would a hot seat yet, but you're
at least kind of like watching how the next few
weeks go where you know, in those situations, maybe that's
(39:08):
something we're talking about. Come, you know, play around November first.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Abe, I got two questions for you.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
I mean, I guess it's two questions, but two big,
two big games this weekend. Estimation that I'm paying close
attention to the Ravens versus the Browns and Miami versus Buffalo.
Can you tell me, Like, I know it's early in
the year, but what I mean, you got to believe
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that there's some tremendous implications connected to the Browns and
the Ravens game. Also, I mean, if Miami seems to
be a step up game for them. If they can
win this game against Buffalo, maybe they've put everybody on
notice that they're actually for real. What's your take on it?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Yeah, So like with the with the Browns Ravens game,
I think this is sort of approve it game in
a lot of ways for the Browns. You know, if
the defense has been almost historically good for three weeks
under Jim Schwartz, I think that sort of emerged as
one of the underrated moves of the offseason to the
higher of Jim Schwartz. And if you look at Schwartz's resume,
maybe we should have seen this coming. But I mean,
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to only allow one offensive touchdowns for three weeks obviously
is outstanding, and now being able to do it in
a big spot against the division rival team that's been
good for a long long time would mean a lot.
And then I think to Shaun Watson building on what
he did last week, which you know, I know the
coaches had sort of drilled into Seawan going into the
game against Tennessee. We want you to be completion driven,
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we want you to take the easy ones, and I
think they got some results off of that. So whether
or not Deshaun can build on that going up against
a really good Ravens defense, you know, it sort of
becomes that sort of proving ground for both Watson and
the Browns defense, you know. And then the Miami Buffalo game,
to me, I think, if Miami is what we think
if they are, then this becomes a real heavyweight out.
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And I think, what's so amazing about what Mike McDaniel's
done in Miami. It's And I had a scout say
this to me, you know, on Sunday, like right after
the Dolphins got done playing. He said, like, what's so
unique about them is it's not often that you see
a team this dynamic and explosive but also efficient and
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consistently productive, and so like, I went back and I
looked at the performance on Sunday against the Broncos, and granted,
Denver's not playing well, but I mean they didn't face
the third down guys until the second quarter, and they
weren't third and long in any third and more than
four right any third, and more than four until their
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seventh touchdown drive. I mean, that level of efficiency is insane,
and you figure the defense is going to keep getting
better with Vic Fangio, there. I haven't been great for
three weeks, but you figure it's going to get better
over over the course of the season with Vic there,
and this becomes a real heavyweight out because I think
UFOs rounded into form after that really disappointing opener against
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the Jets, and they've looked really good the last two weeks,
so you know where I think like the Browns Ravens
game becomes like a pre proving ground for Cleveland, a
chance for them to kind of level up. I look
at the Miami Buffalo game, and again, if Miami is
who thinks who they are, we shouldn't look at Miami
as an up and coming team anymore. This should be
a heavyweight a heavyweight.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Fight Albert as we talk about then the Denver Broncos
moving forward, I mean, obviously the finger the blame gets
pointed at at one to two spots, either the head
coach or the quarterback. The head coach is Scott there
is this ultimately going to fall on Russell Wilson. Then
if they can't figure this out, even though again I
mean it's not like he was out there trying to
play defense, you know, and you could sign if you
(42:45):
want about where the offense is at but I just
feel like that right now it feels pretty uncomfortable out
in Denver.
Speaker 9 (42:51):
If you're a Broncos then right, yeah, And I think
bradiy like the thing that's tough is like like Russell
Wilson's Contract's going to be really difficult to get out of.
And I think, in fairness, I think you're right like
to bring that up, like he really hasn't been the problem.
Like when I went back and I watched that game again,
like I think it was mostly fine, you know, like
it wasn't it certainly wasn't him that was letting Tyreek
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Hill and Devin a chain and all those guys run
free for the secondary, like you know, So I think
Denver's interest in an interesting spot. You know, I mentioned
that with the with the Bears, how their their schedule
becomes a little bit more manageable. Well, same goes for
the Broncos. The Broncos have the Bears this week and
then they have the Jets the week after that. So
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can they get it together and look like, you know,
like a playoff contending team over the next two weeks.
I think that that's gonna I think that's gonna tell
us a lot about where they go. I think it
could affect the way that they handle everything up to
the trade deadline, you know, because if they come out
of this and five and they somehow lose about the
Bears and the Jets, well, now are we talking about
(43:56):
And I don't think the trade passer can. But when
they talk about trading just the Simmons or Jerry Judy
or Courtland something, They've got good players in that team,
Garrett Gold that they could get something for. So, you know,
I think they're at a really critical point. Here's the
other thing that I think is sort of interesting, and
you guys could probably speak to this better than me.
Sean Payton ran a really old school, tough, difficult training
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camp and a really old school tough offseason in general.
If the players aren't getting results, how are they going
to look at that? If they are one in four
or zero five coming out of the first five games
of the season, That's just something that's up on my
radar because those players went to a lot last year,
and obviously there were a lot of players who are
(44:39):
who are out on what Na Sanuel Hackett and that
staff had done by the end of last year. I mean,
is this going to be a roster that's going to
be quick to detach this year too. There's just a
lot going on there, and I think, interestingly enough, like
last year Russell Wilson was part of a huge part
(44:59):
of the problem. I almost feel like Russell Wilson is
way down the list of problems right now, and those
problems could become much bigger if they don't find a
way to get a couple wins over the next couple
of weeks and with a couple of very winnable games
against Chicago and the Jets get him.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Artistically speaking, sorry, I was just going to say, if
you look at Russell Wilson's overall stats this season compared
to Patrick Mahomes, they're not that far off. And by
the way, that does include obviously a Hail Mary touchdown
that makes it look a little better.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But the reality is like he hasn't been their biggest issue, no, no, no, And.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
I think like it's I just I wonder about the
mix there, Brady, when you have a team again that
was out pretty quickly on Nathaniel Hackett and now we're
three weeks into the Sean Payton era, and it didn't
look like they played particularly hard against the Dolphins. You know,
I just I think it's gonna be really interesting just
(45:54):
kind of seeing how locked in that team is over
the next couple of weeks to try and stay their season. Here.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Get him.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
We didn't mentioned Taylor Swift once. By the way, I
know you want to keep a kick, but you don't
want to do.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
You ask me about that?
Speaker 9 (46:07):
Do you guys? Get the whole thing scripted. I'm starting
to get convinced because the NFL is the NFL is
pushing this storyline pretty hard, and I see the benefits
are getting from it, and I don't know, they've always
been sort of after the female audience, so I might
be willing to put on my tinfoil hat on that
one a little bit.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
Yeah, It's does make sense.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I'm tired of it. They don't need that crap. Let
the NBA have those storylines. We got football here, you
know what I mean. You don't need any of that
beat this h Get him on Twitter at Albert Breer,
really confident, feeling good about things. Uh, he's got just
a huge matchup against Maryland coming up here and in
a little over.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
A week we'll be there for it. We'll be in
Columbus for.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
It, that's right.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So uh so we're going to catch up with Albert
next week. Senior out of a reporter at the MMQB.
Albert appreciated as always. Thanks for adjusting with us here
and coming on Friday, and we'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 9 (47:02):
Thanks, have a great weekend.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
There is a connection area by the way.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
What it's like that Thursday connection, I don't know. It's
very bizarre.
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