October 2, 2023 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap the Chiefs win over the Jets which was hijacked by Taylor Swift. The Broncos rally back against the Bears who might end up with the first two picks in next year’s draft. Plus, Robert Saleh look-a-likes and a Taylor Swift conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guys, we survived, We survived the Taylor Swift PR stunt
on Sunday Night Football. We've gotten through it. I feel
like the coast is clear. We're going to get our
football back in our NFL back pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Mike to Rico should be under surveillance and and maybe questioned,
wait what Lottimes he said it? He said, Taylor Swift.
I mean Taylor Swift. Oh my god, who look.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
At her up there? Look at her? Who look out her?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Johnson is say, you're Mike to Rico.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Like every every freaking time, were like every chas we
got And I know they told him he had to
do that, but man, they had him looking like he
was a creeper, like, oh my gosh, well binoculars.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But he Yah, Taylor, she's so excited.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Are we buying into this that it's just a legitimate
celebrity relationships, No crap.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They this is a publicity stunt and it's working to perfection.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
God bless and good good deal, good deal.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, it seems like the NFL is benefiting from
I just I wonder, like how Kelsey gets to be
the lucky one to benefit from it?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Why is he the guy the newer?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Was there a list of like single.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Guys that they could have went with that made sense there?
I mean the Bachelor meets the NFL. I mean, come on,
I mean we're heading that direction. Didn't he do a
reality show based off of that? Isn't the girlfriend that
the Swifties are getting aggressive with and saying, you know,
mind your business, like you you lost your man?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Like? Who wasn't that a reality.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Who is it called catching Kelsey or something?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
The way LeVar? Who would win in a fight between
the swifty is that ex girlfriend of.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Kelsey's one on one is the ex girlfriend with smolish ship.
Now the Swifties as a whole, they might overwhelm her.
She said she's ripped up. Yeah, she's she's built very well.
That she's very impressive.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Now, I mean, do you get she's thrown hands before.
I don't know, I've never checked her all like that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She don't.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
She don't look like she she can't. I'll tell you
that she saw that all if I if I seen
her out and now we're if I were a single
man and I saw her out, I'd be like, well
that's a pretty impressive uh any shaped person. I mean,
were you in the military, did you serve our country?
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God bless America? Like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean listen, I don't know. All the stars were
out though, all the stars everybody was there, Like who
was everybody?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Because all I saw was Tailor's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Carson Daly was they showed him at one point. Yeah,
I saw Keegan, like Mike Michael was there, Carven Rate
mind that group? You know?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, I mean listen, Total Requests Live was was it?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Really? It was a legendary back then, it was. It
was legendary.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
My favorite was it was just the same order, the
same top ten list, because the same losers voted on it,
and every day he would have to come up with
some new twist as to what what the shocking development
is at number two or number one?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
On account who is the same people that at the top?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't remember. Just go back in, like, you know,
late nineties bad music, like probably some of the music
you picked for your intros like that, stuff like that
was you know, usually was being played.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I personally picked Jimmy Hendrix. Is that what you're talking
about for late nineties bad music.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Was Jimmy Hendrix and thet Tendons last night.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, it was not spirit so, No, it was that.
I'll say this, though pretty decent football game. I mean,
there's a lot of on there.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
There's so much controversy though with the calls or lack
of calls.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's terrible.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
It's it's so inconsistent and it's frustrating, you know, it's
honestly frustrating.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
And I was disappointed, I'll say that, but go finish it.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Why because you got a Jets there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
No, I was disappointed because they were playing a physical game,
that there was a certain style of play that had
been established, and in the most critical moment of the
game they chose and it was a foul.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
At was a foul, which are you talking about defensive holding? Yeah,
it was a foul.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But if you watched, if you watched how they were
letting them play during the course of that game, it
was It definitely was called on purpose.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I can I be honest with you too. And I
had this conversation with Dean Blandino. I said, look, I'm
an analyst, so I get to call dude, I get
the call games, and this happened in our game that
what I was calling and on that specific play, and
so LaVar will ask you this, explain to me the difference.
(05:08):
But on that particular play between the there's three calls
that I look at them like, all right, they're kind
of in the city. I could have been made a
legal contact, defensive holding, defensive past interference on that specific play.
Tell me why that's defensive holding not illegal contact, and
tell me what's defensive holding and potentially couldn't have been
past interference.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I wouldn't be able to tell you, bro. So that's
kind of That's kind of my point though.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's like when you break down the rules within the playbook,
and I know people are gonna be like, well, legal
context when it's up for five yards in the I'm like,
I understand the rules. When you break down certain specific plays,
there's like three different ways the defense can get themselves
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
In all honesty, and in.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
That particular play, like you could have made any one
of those three calls.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You could have you can.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yet I would say, based on your point, like the
way the game was being played didn't warn it like
there were a lot of other people that were frustrated,
and that was long homes run.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, because there wasn't a there wasn't a holding called.
And I'm like, well, that was kind of how the
game was called.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
But that like, then you can't make a call like
that if you know you're you're letting something go earlier
because you're letting them play, letting a little more physical
m h.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
And it just seemed like that, That's what it was like.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It was almost like down the stretch they panicked, like
the referees panicked in the game. And and and it's
sad because when when you see a referee clearly in
a moment where okay, you could call that foul a
lot of times during the game you didn't, but then
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in the most opportune time or inopportune time for depending
on what side you're on, you call it right, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And Sauce was having an amazing game.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It was you make it seem like this dude costed
you the game and he's he's playing the same way.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The entire game played their ass off.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh man, CJ. Moseley played out of his brain the
defensive front. I mean they but but but you know
what soda, Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It was.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It should have been a game that should have been
decided on the field, not not by the laundry and that,
you know. But that's the one thing that I'll say
is it's always going to be a part of the game.
So at some point you just have to accept the
fact that you're not going to like every flag that
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comes out.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You're not going to like every call that's made.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's unfortunate when one of those calls really in
a way can dictate the outcome of a game like
and and to this point, they still had to play defense,
right like, they still could have stopped them. They did
not stop them after that penalty. They could have stopped them,
and they didn't. But it just seemed like you would
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have saw, we would have saw a much more the
alternate ending of that game would have been way better.
And then you know what, and it still might have
played out in Kansas City's way. It's still you're still
going to see the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. You know,
you saw the running back just ball out back home.
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He balled balled like I mean, they call him Pacheco.
Marshawn Lynch in the game like wow, Okay, Like wow,
he balled out that hard in the game, like okay.
They still might have won the game, but it I
think it would have been much more of a unacceptable
ending had they not made that call.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Well, how do you guys feel about the bad beat
that many people too on social media were dealing with
after this game? So I want to say there was
eighty million estimated that were placed or wager on just
this game. Eighty percent to ninety percent of those tickets
on the Kansas City Chiefs. So the public was heavy
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on the Chiefs, I think, laying in most cases, what
eight and a half, It got up to nine and
a half low seconds.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, well here's the problem to it.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
And when you're up three and you see Mahomes then
run towards the enza and slide right before there are
a lot of angry fans out there who are.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Holding Kansas Chiefs that can score right And.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
In that instance too, I kind of looked at it,
and I always think to myself, I understand from the
player's standpoint, because we talk about in the huddle like hey,
first down, get down, and then that's how we end
the game. When they don't have any timeouts and you
can kneel it and then you can control your own destiny.
There's also an element to me where I'm saying to myself,
I know what happened with the Jets and the Browns
last year, because that's your classic case for why you
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do exactly what Mahomes did so you don't allow a
team to come.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Back in the game. But man, there's a lot of
ticked off fans about that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And it's also because it's their last bite at the Apple,
because they probably they probably lost their ass all on Sunday,
potentially on Saturday. Yeah, but I mean, who knows what
what their banker looks like now, I mean to the
major hit what.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You're talking from experience, I got what I'll say this.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I got one guy who said, after this weekend, he said, yeah,
I got to meet up with my bookie on Monday.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He's like, I haven't had to do that quite some times.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
So it's not it's not a good weekend, just just
some people understand typically down so much or up so much.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yes, yeah, he's down so much.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
By the way I've I've I've talked to buddies who
have the same setup where they've got a bookie. They
go through and those meetings are always never very fun
because it's like, oh geez, just demoralize. Usually every Tuesday,
Tuesday's the day because Monday night football is over with,
so Tuesday's day you get to pay up.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But you know, so he always says Monday's the day
because this guy doesn't want to allow him to try
to like say his place in a bet on Monday,
that it's hard to find on Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Zach Wilson showed some life, Zach Zack Wilson showed some
some some spunk, He showed some some ability.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I was, I was, actually I was really pulling for him.
Like I found myself rooting for him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm team Zach Wilson. Now all the way I.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Was rooting for I ain't gonna go as far as
it goes to Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It goes to show you what can happen when you've
got a little bit of help to you know, the
defense was playing great, they were he obviously, I mean
it kind of got sparked by the safety, but he
had some help to It wasn't like he had to
do it himself, and he made throws at times where
he gave them a chance, gave them an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I mean critical drops.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They they might have won this game outright if not
for some of the critical drops, not in just the interceptions,
but some of the drops that like Zach Wilson was escaping,
he was delivering the ball like Carter drops the ball
like you saw like a few just drops, like just
critical drops that that were taking place in the game.
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And you're sitting there looking like, man, if they make
that catch, what happens? If you make the catch there?
What happens you make that interception there?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you guys? See the stat going around on social
media involving Zach Wilson and Patrick Mahomes pretty impressive? All right,
So this is from OPTA Stats. Yeah, they said Zach
Wilson is the only opposing quarterback to have more completions,
more passing yards, more touchdown passes, and fewer interceptions than
Patrick Mahomes and a Mahomes start college or pro. So
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that's positivity that that's showing progress in the right direction
there for zachar you say college or pro yes On
twenty seven starts.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I don't know that that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
If it's not, don't blame me. I'm just reading well
all the time.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
And there's no way that's accurate, hope, because I feel
like I've called his some of his college games when
there was guys who might have outplayed him.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Are you trying to call out OPTA stats?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
You say, I don't know what that is, but that
needs to comb through the stats.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm just saying that, Well, listen, it was it was
a fun one and uh and now we moved here.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Are they saying it's only Zach Wilson and every one
of those categories?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, only opposing quarterback to have more completions, passing yards,
touchdown passes, and fewer interceptions in mahomes and a mahome
start college.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Pro Maybe that's kind of I think that's a lot
of starts.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You have to come the opponent, so who needs the
win on the field as long as you want? In
the OPTA stats category, they were.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just soulding him.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean it was a vision, it was a view,
like they were rallying around him because they knew that
man did what he needed to do for that team
to win.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
He definitely he did, like Colin Fit and everything.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
He did enough.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And I think one of the things that Chris Collinsworth
kind of touched on that is really important. And like
as you talked to coaches and you talk to people
in the league, that quote they'll tell you is, you know,
quarterbacks who come in the league now just don't have
a feel for the rhythm of the game. And that's
one of the biggest differences between college and NFL offenses
is the rhythm of your feet with your eyes and
how you work through progressions. The West Coast in particular,
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what Nathaniel Hacket runs with the Jets, that is paramount.
And once you get it, you then really start to
play and understand the timing and how things are supposed
to operate. Where you get the ball out, you're getting
it on time. If it's not there, you move on
to the next guy. There's just a rhythm to it.
And like back in the day when I first got
the leage, we had quarterback school, So you'd go into
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the facility probably three weeks four weeks before anyone else
went and you all you were doing was dropping and
you were working on your fullwork and your work. It's
literally like taking a dance class, to be honest with you,
and you're working on the rhythm of every single play
and what that footwork is like. And that really helped
you mentally once you got everyone else out there on
the field and all the different variables of a defense
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and all that. And last night was an example of
he was starting to feel it. He was starting to
get that rhythm of the offense down, and it's gonna
be important for them moving forward if the Jets have
any shot whatsoever of you know, hanging around and making
a playoff run like Jonas thinks they're going to.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You know, the Barges saying rhythm of the night, you know,
the rhythm of the offense. How does that song go again?
We're all on around.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I hate the Barges. Who the Barges. The Barges, damn it,
I hold the barge the Barges, the Brothers, Jerry Curls,
all those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, the Barges, real pretty dudes. And the dude when
he dated Janet Jackson, I believe really or we're married,
something to that effect.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
He was.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
He was like, you know, he was known for his
voice as smooth sub.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Orches veteran t Swift, it is and a cup of
show here.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
If you didn't know Taylor Swift's name, Fox Sports a
football fan, you know it now you have no choice.
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
App Westmoorland underrated guitarists doesn't get a lot of credit.
Little something. He's not no relation.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's Moreland County from Home Improvement.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
All right, so it is two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. Well done, sound Sam you Johnny on the.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Spot, It's unbelievable. That was incredible fast man.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
By the way, Sam, during the break, he just kept
repeating over and over again. He kept calling Eddie Garcia, Ready, Garcia,
like just non stop to Finally Eddie just looked and said, okay,
look like we acknowledged the pun.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
I get it a little bit. It's I'm getting back
in my Monday grove.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Here we acknowledged Eddie is the adult in the room
or Ready is the adulting room.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I call him ready because he's wearing all red for
his freens.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Ready, So he's ready, Garcia, and he's ready at the
he's ready to do.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He is the adult in the room for our Showow wow,
that is really sad, but I think it's a good thing. Eddie,
Like you're the voice of reason, Like you're like the
voice of God. You come in and you're like, no, gentlemen,
this is what we need to think.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
You're so disappointed in us and to our updates.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We're just I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
We're just we're in the kitchen and we're looking at whatever.
You know, Lee's eating something. We're looking at just what
he's got cooking. And Sam just open over again with
like in a forty five second span and said ready
Garcia like three times.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
There was literally no way we couldn't hear him, and
yet he kept acting like we couldn't hear him.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
The Future finally was like, Sam, we hear you.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm at losing it today. That's
all right, Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Uh so we are going to have an FSR i
R coming up here in about twenty.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
The way the future.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Was not even applicable have you guys seen the aviator
where he just keeps you having to ask.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
What would have just ended had he not asked?
Speaker 8 (18:55):
But he just keeps repeating that over and over again,
kind of like you in the kitchen. Yes, exactly, That's
why I played it. Oh man, Okay, let's.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Get it together here, all right. So congratulations to Sean
Payton and Russell Wilson. Sean Payton's first win as a
Denver Broncos head coach. Congratulations, Just a job well done there,
big tough road environment there in Chicago. And on the
flip side of that, Brady Quinn, your Chicago Bears continue
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to be the worst team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, Well, you know, I've got family in Monmouth, Illinois.
So that's how I became a lifelong Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Not a lot of people know that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What a coincidence. I mean, we could start with, you know,
the fact that they had a twenty one point lead
and let that go. We could start with Chase Claypool,
who was critical of the coaching staff, was a healthy scratch.
He was told to stay home by the team, and
then Matt Ebraflus afterwards said, well, I don't know, he
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had an open invite to stay on the sideline or
be at the game, which apparently was not the case.
The injuries all, I mean, there's there's all sorts of
stuff happening in Chicago, justin fields throwing the late pick
fumble in the second half. Oh and then there's the
fact that they had a fourth down the game was
tied in a makeable field goal situation in the fourth quarter,
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and so instead of you know, you would.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Think thee yeah, or they go fourth on fourth and one, or.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
A quarterback sneak, but they line up in shotgun, they
give the ball to Khlil Herbert, he gets stopped, Denver
gets the ball back and kicks the eventual game winning
field goal. So Matt Ebraflus was asking was asked about
the decision on fourth down in that spot in the
fourth quarter. Here was his response, just.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Because of them we were running it was it was
it was a half yard. So I felt very confident
about in that right there. And uh, you know, every
situation is different. You know, you got to look at
the game and its entirety. And I think that the
way we were running the football and the confidence that
we had on offense in that moment, I would say that,
you know we're going to do that right there.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, we're gonna do that right there. And that's not
going to win you the ball game.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's bad, man, And it's only getting worse, right, what
do you think you saw everything? It's only getting worse.
And Justin Fields had a hell of a first half.
But yeah, the late turnovers, the fumble, the interception. I
don't know what the plan is moving forward.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You guys a question? Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Chicago is a really really big market, super big market.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Why is it that Justin Fields doesn't get as much
smoke as Zach Wilson?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Aren't they pretty comparable?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
He has?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Has he?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, I just didn't feel like I feel like Zach
Wilson is like in a category all of his own
as to how much maligned he is all his own bike.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I just, I just I don't agree with that.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I mean, Justin Fields has got a lot of a
lot of flat I mean, he was they contemplated taking
another quarterback instead of him before the season, they did,
and then ever since then, he's been like on a
week by week basis where they're grading every little thing
he does. Mind you, it's not like he's working with
a lot around him. I mean the offensive coordinator and
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his relationship that you know, came into question because of
the how the media portrayed his you know, post game comments,
practice comments whenever it was a couple of coaches ago. Yeah,
so I just it's he's definitely come under scrutiny a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, Yeah, okay, I mean I was curious because I just,
you know, needed some clarity on that.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But well, even last week when they played Kansas City,
everyone made it about the fact that, you know, the
Bears decided to pass on Patrick Mahomes, which was a
little bit ironically because Mitchell Trubisky was in that draft class.
It wasn't Fields yet because Fields was the next quarterback
they decided to take that they're kind of judging just
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the Bears decision in general to ultimately pass.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
On Mahomes, so that I also got thrown out there.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Look, the good news is what's the good news. They've
got the number one and number two pick in the
draft next year as the stands right now, because they
own Carolina's first, So I mean, we could be seeing
who knows what Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Junior, bang bang.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I would imagine the second pick they trade out for
a boatload of picks. I would imagine because who I
mean now, whoever's at three might need a quarterback, but
there might be someone who's in another spot that's willing
to give up a king's ransom to get to two.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So if they take KILEB.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Williams number one, knowing how most general managers operate, they
would rather move back down, allow someone to trade up,
give them more picks, and utilize it that way because
you're probably gonna get KILLB. Williams, Drake May and then
from that standpoint, you can maybe still stay in the
top ten and still get a big time player with
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plus whatever else you get in that trade.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It just feels like they gotta turn the page like that.
Here was the other part of that fourth down sequence
that didn't make any sense. So they lined up as
if they were gonna go for it, and it was
to try and draw Denver off sides. So then as
the play clock wound down, they called time out, and
you would think, okay, well they called time out, they
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tried it, They're gonna come out and kick the field goal. Yeah,
they go to the sideline and they come out to
go forward again, and this time they line up in
shotgun and hand the ball like I just I don't
I don't get it, Like I really don't understand. I
don't know what's so difficult. I mean, even Brandon Staley
and the Chargers they went for it on fourth down again,
(25:15):
and we can touch on whether or not that was
the right call again in that game later on. But man,
justin Herbert with you know, the the Nintendo Power glove
on his hand because his finger almost fell off, he's like,
you know, like a QB sneak. It's like it's the
easiest play call in the world, and for whatever reason,
they just line up and shotgun and hand it off
(25:36):
to Herbert, which everybody.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
And the only the only problem with that play cooff.
You if you want to go in shotgun, that's fine,
but incorporate fields as part of it. You have one
of the best athletes at quarterback in the NFL, and
you can't run a quarterback running to go like forget
to sneak for a second, but like he might be
your best running back and you can't incorporate him as
(25:57):
part of it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
When the game's on the line.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
I just like, that's the hard thing for me when
I hear criticism of Justin Fields, I'm like, look at
the play calling, Like, look at the position they put
themselves in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Johnson like they could kick the field.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Goal and who knows how the scenario plays out if
that's the case. But then if you're gonna go for it,
put it in the guy who's probably best suited to
go get you that extra yard and puts more pressure
on a defense.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I mean, you tell me, LeVar, if you got an athletic.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Quarterback like Justin Fields, is that not the toughest way
to try to stop.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Them on short yardage? Well, I mean you saw what
happened in the Chiefs game.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
They they didn't pay enough attention to the fact that
that man will step on you. He will step out
of the front door, come off of the porch, and
run through the yard like you, right.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I just I mean, cand of give a side note.
Dan Campbell quote that was might be the quote of
the week, all right. Someone asked him after their win
about whether you know now they're considered the hunt did
not the hunter, and his quote was, well, if someone's
coming to hunt us.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
They won't have to look very far. We'll be on
their front porch.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Very well done is a legend like that's one that
I will tell my kids, like my little girl's soccer team.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know, hey, we're five and oh girls, let me
tell you something. People think we're the hunted. All right,
We're not going to have to look very far.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Good.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I love that he still embraces his inner mead heead
I love that and just lets it, lets it rock
as a head coach of the Lions. But hey, listen,
must be nice. They're sitting atop the north and then
way way way down at the bottom are those Chicago Bears,
So not a not a good place to be.
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Monday morning, there's a lot to look back on. In
the NFL, we are getting some good news though, some
early reports coming in on Kenny Pickett's status and his injury.
(28:42):
It looks like they're checking out the MCL, possibly a
torn meniscus. He's going to get an MRI, But the
feeling is it's not an ACL issue for Kenny Pickett.
He's going to miss sometime, but it's not a season
ending injury for Kenny p which means Mitch Trubisky will
take over starting quarterback for the short term there for
(29:02):
the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Mitch Trubisky will get the Matt
Cannada treatment as of right now, but who they'll knows
how much longer that's going to.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Go on for.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean I don't know much about meniscus tears,
but I believe it depends upon the grade as far
as well they're not they need to do something, but
you can play with it. I'm not sure how effective
or how he'll be, but they got bigger problems than
just his knee injury.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was about to say, like the injury stems far
beyond just his need. Like it's it's like the Steelers
are a meniscus tear right now, and they got to
figure out how to be able to play with that
injury and doesn't have to be cleanked up through surgery,
a surgical procedure.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Or you know.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And what's being removed when you do that, I'm sorry,
that could be what's removed in that sort. That could
be the hangnail that you know, they call it a
hangnail a lot of times when that when they have
to clean and the meniscus tier like it hangs out there,
it irritates the rest of the knee. The knee tries
to heal it, but it can heal it, so it
(30:08):
swells up and the fluid and the blood and then
it's it's all kinds of bad and well, once it's
removed you know you're in good shape, but you got
to do the rehab and you got to get it
back to normal. And to me, I feel like that's
where my Pittsburgh Steelers are right now.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, it's great call, great point.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I don't know how much we'll have on this game,
but I did fail to mention this earlier, and I
really need to get your guys feedback on this.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Does Robert Sala look like Xerxes from three hundred?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
See, I thought you looked like panthro from from ThunderCats.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I mean, I'm just saying, look up Xerxes from three hundred?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
How do you spell that?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Just is?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It'll come up if you try it or something I
don't know, three hundred and then put in like z
ze er or something.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Like you're supposed to be the movie geek. How do
you spell this guy's name? A lot of x's X
E R S S.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I feel like looks like Jason Taylor. Now if you
look up Panthrow from from ThunderCats, I think he looks
just like Panthrow.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
But I was a ThunderCats fan too. Yeah, it's a cartoon.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
You can't by the way, I think Jason Taylor, Robert
Solinxerxes could all be the same family.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I guess you're right. Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean,
I will say this. I always notice and pause if
I come across the wrong way. But it always seems
as though Robert Salah has very very well kept skin
on the sideline, like he uses something that that.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Makes his his his head and his skins.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You think when you watched Jets games, you want to
know will be this. Brady, let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Why I noticed this, because they show I don't know
if you've got it.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
First off, can I get confirmation? Does he look like
Xerxes are not all right?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I just now pulled it up. Rodrigo Santoro is the
guy's name, And uh yeah, I can see that. I'm
seeing a picture with he's got hair, but if he
had no hair, I could see that.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, don't look at the actor, look at Xerxes x
E r x E S Xerxes. Jonas finds a way
of making like simple things complicated.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Man, because it's not simple.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
It is like going in through an airport with you.
I was like, man, no wonder you don't try to Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
First of all, that was when I was still trying
to figure out the whole airport ryon situation. I'm now
I'm now pre checked. You don't worry about me pre
check loaded, it's pre checked, yeah, TSA pre check baby, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Okay, green check mark, you have TSA pre check.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I'm pre checked.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I need to get that. Honestly, I'm getting you don't
have that. We have this conversation literally every other week.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I guess I'm just shocked that you don't, for as
much as you travel, do not have it at that shot.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's really cheap too.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Which, by the way, it's not even about that, it's
about the process. Like processes like scare me, Like I'm
very very old school man, Like I don't. I just
don't like It's like, do I got to go down
to an office? Do I have to sit in this office?
How long are they going to make me sit for?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Like?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
What do I got to fill out?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Like? I just don't like doing it. I just don't
like being around.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Sound like that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Oh okay, as I say, someone say that sounds almost
like it's lazy. But I'm just like, it's not lazy
because I'm not lazy.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It's just I'm choosing not to do certain things, like
I would rather take the physical challenge of going through
a premiere line and knowing that there are a lot
of airports that don't even have premire layer lines and.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Instead of going through TSA pre check.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's not lazy.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I just don't like doing it the physical challenge.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yes, you have to go over the wall and you
have to climb up the rope in order to be
to go through the non TSA pre check.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Can we get back to the real conversation, all right?
I mean yes, looks like Robert Salah Uh, I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That not brought it more often.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out what
the costume is on Xerxes. Very feels like there's a
lot going on there.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well, I mean he's like, you know, just saying they
were very gotdy with with what they had, Like he
had a lot of riches. I mean his body was gold. Yeah,
I mean you know that was his skin complexion gold.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, maybe that's Robert Sala's skin regiment.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Can I just clear myself by the way, Uh, the
reason why I noticed the skin products and the care
of his skin is they show him a lot. They
show him on the sideline a whole lot, just as much.
They show him more than they show Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
One.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
That's one, but then two two. I'm always looking to
see what his facial expression is. And last night was
the first time I actually seen him make facial expressions
that were kind of like he's disappointed, Like he made
disappointed facial I just thought of a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
By the way, Oh okay, LaVar, can I ask you
a question real quick because we'll have the conspiracy theory
of music coming up here in a moment. What's your
mount rushmore of best skin coaches like scrip, like as
far as coaches, you would go, Man, oh man, look
at that.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
I mean, Robert Salah is up there.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Okay, James Franklin is up there.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I'll tell you the common theme the comments.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, they're all light skin, yeah, and they're all bold.
So whatever whatever skincare they're using to moisturize their head
and their face is pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I mean, so basically your sin if you have hair,
you're not going to I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I mean, I know everybody knows how beautiful you are
and all that loyal in that department. I'm just saying
you're not going to win best Looking Moisturized Skins because
you had hair.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
All right, So it's a mount Rushmore. You need two
more so Robert Sala, James Franklin. Who else we're looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, can we use Charles S. Dutton and Rudy
even though he wasn't a.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Coach, you know, I don't know he was a janitor, right.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean he was a coach, the Rock coach. Rock
was a coach grid Iron Gang. Let's let's go with
the Rock.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, it's a good call.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I don't know, man, I don't know who the.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Fourth form would be.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Dale Lindsay, I almost said f No use the word.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
I almost use the word.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
By the way.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
By the way, Dale Lindsay, all right, here's some trivia.
The only team to ever go oh to four in
the NFL is the nineteen ninety two San Diego Chargers
head coach Bobby Ross, quarterback Stan Humphries. And on that staff,
Dale Lindsay, Hey, how about that.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
He's actually he's actually a really good coach.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's actually, in reality a really really fine coach. No, No,
he was just like he was just a d bag,
like that's all.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, you know, it's cool.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I know I know why he was, Like, I know
why he had to be, but he just didn't have
to be, but he was, and and and so I
judge him based on I do the same. I feel
the same way about Joe Gibbs. I feel the same
exact way about any of those coaches. Yeah, and the
coach to the second, the second Joe Gibbs. I know
a lot of people were like, well the first one, like, yeah,
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I don't have anything to say about that one, because
we ever get.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Your mount rushmore though.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I gave you three, Vin Diesel, you know he's not
a coach. Got to great skin, that's right, he's not
a coach.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I don't I don't know. I gave you three. You know,
what do you want from me?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I mean I just figured there might be a fourth
that we could throw in there.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I gave you guys three.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
That's okay. Yeah, you have to be determined. You have
to be determined. Give my conspiracy theory by let's go
how about how about how about day ball?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Let's go with dab all.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right, Yeah, I can see way to be inclusive LeVar.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah, job like that verse. But He's like, thank you
from all of us.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Way to wait, wait do I check a box?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
LeVar?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
You know, I like to make sure I do include everyone.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
You know what I mean? Hey from from Sam Kitts team,
thank you. I always say Sam's last name.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Of All right, let's uh. You got a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
We have had music for this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, okay, right.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
There it is. It came in there.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Who does this music make you think of?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Jonas Rob Stack?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
What's he wearing?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Trench coat?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Okay? So picture LeVar in this case in a trench coat.
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
And LeVar has brought to my attention something and when
talking about Taylor Swift, because if you think about it,
last week when the Chiefs took on the Bears in
Kansas City, who broadcasted that game?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh it was Fox?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
It was Fox.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
And then last night Sunday Night Football, who broadcasted that game?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
NBC?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So my conspiracy theory is this, if indeed this is
the NFL behind the scenes orchestrating doing all they can
to try to grow their viewership and fan base, CBS
gets a crack at this thing.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Oh you're right, maybe even.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
ESPN gets a crack at this thing. ABC.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I'm just saying, if I was a TV network and
this was going on behind the scenes and I'm paying
millions upon millions of dollars a year, I want to
piece of the ratings. I want a piece of this.
I all have to share equally in my dispute.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I mean, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You, great point. Because also they've got a CBS game
coming up this next week at Minnesota, and after that,
after that it's a Thursday game on Prime Video.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
I don't know that she'll be at that one.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Why was you?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But what I will say to you on this is
how I knew it was. It's it's definitely agreed upon.
For one, there's too many mentions. We're we're in We're
in this business right like some people may not understand,
like live mentions and stuff like that. Every time they
mentioned Taylor Swift, that is considered to be a live mention.
(40:47):
So so how much do you think, like if they
were to live mentioned Midas or live mentioned five guys
or you know, live mentioned Progressive or Graduate Hotel, how.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Much you're being eight for that? Did you like that?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I'm glad you got a couple of arts in there.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, right, I had to had to come back to
who's paying our bills?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Those are that that's money?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And then and then, and then it comes clear in
one of the.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Parts where they're talking about her.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Then they started they did a full advertisement like, oh,
Taylor Swift in Times Square, She's like on on, like
who knows how much that that visual billboard is in
the middle of Times Square. And then they do an entire,
an entire advertisement on I guess her, her music, her concerts,
(41:42):
get that.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, it has to be beneficial because it is.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
It is. I don't listen to Taylor Swift music. It's
no disrespect to her.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
My girls do so when I'm listening to it, it's
literally a byproduct of my three girls love listener and music.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's it. My wife doesn't listen to it. I don't.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
It's only when our kids are there. And so I
understand from the NFL standpoint, if this is truly something
they're doing behind the scenes to try to grow.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
This, But those people aren't tuning in to watch the game.
They're too it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
It's like any sort of brand, you're just trying to
introduce them. I totally agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
I wonder if it works both ways, Like I wonder
if there's enough people or a guy who will check
out a Taylor Swift song now purely because she's been
following Travis Kelcey. Like I might understand the NFL's objective
and I understand how she would be compensated from it,
But I wonder if her team, her people are like, hey,
this might be good for you too to grow your
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fan base, because over a billion. When you gross that
in a tour, you kind of hit your ceiling, right, Like,
how how much more popular have you can Taylor Swift
ultimately get unless she's able to grow and have even
greater reach to people who aren't necessarily tuning in for
that or aren't necessarily fans. There's a lot of NFL
(43:06):
folks who are like, yeah, like this is our space,
Like you don't need to invade our space with what
you do.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Because we wanted to be offended. I really did.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
After after the first quarter and every single break they
mentioned Taylor Swift going to the break every single break,
I wanted to be offended.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
And then I'm just sitting there thinking like why would.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I be offended that we're being force fed Taylor Swift
like they're selling jerseys. They said, they said, what what
Kelsey's jersey went four hundred percent up?
Speaker 6 (43:42):
They say, he got nine.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
All those numbers, every he's gotten like over eight hundred
thousand followers.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Now Jersey nine hundred is nine hundred thousand followers. And
then and then on top of that, then they started
selling an entirely different jersey that wasn't a Kelsea jersey.
It's a it's a Chelsea number with Swifty on the
back like it's it's I mean, it's brilliant what they did.
And I would say, if I'm Taylor Swift, I want residuals.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
I need residuals from that.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
I need a group license and agreement on on what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Is she any relation to DeAndre? You guys are no
better than me.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
He had a good game yesterday.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I'm just looking for answers here. I'm trying to get
to the bar. I'm trying to get why we should
care about it.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
They might be distant cousins. I don't know. I feel
like I could go down. I could.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
I could feel like that could take a heart right
left her.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Jonas is the.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
Guy that like rips a fart in the middle of
the dance floor at a reception.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Of a wedding, and it stops the music.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
And I just tell you, guys, Can I just tell
you guys speaking of that stops the music?
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I was.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I was.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I was at a bar in state college and I
ripped one at the bar and I just didn't think
anybody would catch on to it, because I ude, and
a whole lot of conversations and stuff like that. And
one of my homies looked at me and he tapped
me on my shoulder.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
He was like, bro.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I looked at him with him, look if you know,
if you know me and you know me in public,
like I'm like poker face. So I look at him.
He goes, bro, like, what's up?
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Man?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I was like, what's up? Bro? He's like, did you
do that? I was like, what are you talking about?
Do what?
Speaker 6 (45:28):
He's like, dude, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Then the one dude, my one guy goes it smells
like eggs in here.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Man.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I turned back around. I turned back around like nothing happened.
And I turned back around like after like five minutes,
like after the initial horribleness of it, passed through and
I looked at him.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I was like, yeah, I did it.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
It was me.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
It was me. It was me. It was bad too.
I smelled it too.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
It was I smelled it, and I was like, I
did not expect for it to be that bad, but
it was.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
It was that bad.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So no judgment here.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
There's that man, But you know what, you know, it
happens so that that that made me think of it.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
So thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Well, listen, it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas,
Dedre Swift.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Man, we definitely did. You just wanted to make sure
trying to trying to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
All right.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You do know that people took on the last names,
you know, they could you know, that could have been
what it is.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I wasn't trying to take it that allright.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
You know I didn't really think that far.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
I mean, you did kind of open up that door though.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Jonas he does that every time he makes a comment.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
He thinks it's like, hell, this be good.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
They're like, that's why I just figured out, like, you know,
what is that called subterfuse. I just figured that like,
hit it with a difference.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Okay, I'm sorry Lee. Geez, guys, guys, I wanna take
it to Leroy, all right,
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arrington, rading Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Guys, we survived, We survived the Taylor Swift PR stunt
on Sunday Night Football. We've gotten through it. I feel
like the coast is clear. We're going to get our
football back in our NFL back pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Mike to Rico should be under surveillance and and maybe questioned,
wait what Lottimes he said it? He said, Taylor Swift.
I mean Taylor Swift. Oh my god, who look.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
At her up there? Look at her? Who look out her?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Johnson is say, you're Mike to Rico.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Like every every freaking time, were like every chas we
got And I know they told him he had to
do that, but man, they had him looking like he
was a creeper, like, oh my gosh, well binoculars.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But he Yah, Taylor, she's so excited.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Are we buying into this that it's just a legitimate
celebrity relationships, No crap.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They this is a publicity stunt and it's working to perfection.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
God bless and good good deal, good deal.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, it seems like the NFL is benefiting from
I just I wonder, like how Kelsey gets to be
the lucky one to benefit from it?
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Why is he the guy the newer?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Was there a list of like single.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Guys that they could have went with that made sense there?
I mean the Bachelor meets the NFL. I mean, come on,
I mean we're heading that direction. Didn't he do a
reality show based off of that? Isn't the girlfriend that
the Swifties are getting aggressive with and saying, you know,
mind your business, like you you lost your man?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Like? Who wasn't that a reality.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Who is it called catching Kelsey or something?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
The way LeVar? Who would win in a fight between
the swifty is that ex girlfriend of.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Kelsey's one on one is the ex girlfriend with smolish ship.
Now the Swifties as a whole, they might overwhelm her.
She said she's ripped up. Yeah, she's she's built very well.
That she's very impressive.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Now, I mean, do you get she's thrown hands before.
I don't know, I've never checked her all like that.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She don't.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
She don't look like she she can't. I'll tell you
that she saw that all if I if I seen
her out and now we're if I were a single
man and I saw her out, I'd be like, well
that's a pretty impressive uh any shaped person. I mean,
were you in the military, did you serve our country?
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God bless America? Like you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean listen, I don't know. All the stars were
out though, all the stars everybody was there, Like who
was everybody?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Because all I saw was Tailor's.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Carson Daly was they showed him at one point. Yeah,
I saw Keegan, like Mike Michael was there, Carven Rate
mind that group? You know?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, I mean listen, Total Requests Live was was it?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Really? It was a legendary back then, it was. It
was legendary.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
My favorite was it was just the same order, the
same top ten list, because the same losers voted on it,
and every day he would have to come up with
some new twist as to what what the shocking development
is at number two or number one?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
On account who is the same people that at the top?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't remember. Just go back in, like, you know,
late nineties bad music, like probably some of the music
you picked for your intros like that, stuff like that
was you know, usually was being played.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I personally picked Jimmy Hendrix. Is that what you're talking
about for late nineties bad music.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Was Jimmy Hendrix and thet Tendons last night.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, it was not spirit so, No, it was that.
I'll say this, though pretty decent football game. I mean,
there's a lot of on there.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
There's so much controversy though with the calls or lack
of calls.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's terrible.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
It's it's so inconsistent and it's frustrating, you know, it's
honestly frustrating.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
And I was disappointed, I'll say that, but go finish it.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Why because you got a Jets there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
No, I was disappointed because they were playing a physical game,
that there was a certain style of play that had
been established, and in the most critical moment of the
game they chose and it was a foul.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
At was a foul, which are you talking about defensive holding? Yeah,
it was a foul.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
But if you watched, if you watched how they were
letting them play during the course of that game, it
was It definitely was called on purpose.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
I can I be honest with you too. And I
had this conversation with Dean Blandino. I said, look, I'm
an analyst, so I get to call dude, I get
the call games, and this happened in our game that
what I was calling and on that specific play, and
so LaVar will ask you this, explain to me the difference.
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But on that particular play between the there's three calls
that I look at them like, all right, they're kind
of in the city. I could have been made a
legal contact, defensive holding, defensive past interference on that specific play.
Tell me why that's defensive holding not illegal contact, and
tell me what's defensive holding and potentially couldn't have been
past interference.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I wouldn't be able to tell you, bro. So that's
kind of That's kind of my point though.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
It's like when you break down the rules within the playbook,
and I know people are gonna be like, well, legal
context when it's up for five yards in the I'm like,
I understand the rules. When you break down certain specific plays,
there's like three different ways the defense can get themselves
in trouble.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
In all honesty, and in.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
That particular play, like you could have made any one
of those three calls.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You could have you can.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yet I would say, based on your point, like the
way the game was being played didn't warn it like
there were a lot of other people that were frustrated,
and that was long homes run.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, because there wasn't a there wasn't a holding called.
And I'm like, well, that was kind of how the
game was called.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
But that like, then you can't make a call like
that if you know you're you're letting something go earlier
because you're letting them play, letting a little more physical
m h.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
And it just seemed like that, That's what it was like.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It was almost like down the stretch they panicked, like
the referees panicked in the game. And and and it's
sad because when when you see a referee clearly in
a moment where okay, you could call that foul a
lot of times during the game you didn't, but then
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in the most opportune time or inopportune time for depending
on what side you're on, you call it right, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
And Sauce was having an amazing game.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It was you make it seem like this dude costed
you the game and he's he's playing the same way.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
The entire game played their ass off.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh man, CJ. Moseley played out of his brain the
defensive front. I mean they but but but you know
what soda, Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It was.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
It should have been a game that should have been
decided on the field, not not by the laundry and that,
you know. But that's the one thing that I'll say
is it's always going to be a part of the game.
So at some point you just have to accept the
fact that you're not going to like every flag that
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comes out.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
You're not going to like every call that's made.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's unfortunate when one of those calls really in
a way can dictate the outcome of a game like
and and to this point, they still had to play defense,
right like, they still could have stopped them. They did
not stop them after that penalty. They could have stopped them,
and they didn't. But it just seemed like you would
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have saw, we would have saw a much more the
alternate ending of that game would have been way better.
And then you know what, and it still might have
played out in Kansas City's way. It's still you're still
going to see the greatness of Patrick Mahomes. You know,
you saw the running back just ball out back home.
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He balled balled like I mean, they call him Pacheco.
Marshawn Lynch in the game like wow, Okay, Like wow,
he balled out that hard in the game, like okay.
They still might have won the game, but it I
think it would have been much more of a unacceptable
ending had they not made that call.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Well, how do you guys feel about the bad beat
that many people too on social media were dealing with
after this game? So I want to say there was
eighty million estimated that were placed or wager on just
this game. Eighty percent to ninety percent of those tickets
on the Kansas City Chiefs. So the public was heavy
(09:08):
on the Chiefs, I think, laying in most cases, what
eight and a half, It got up to nine and
a half low seconds.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, well here's the problem to it.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
And when you're up three and you see Mahomes then
run towards the enza and slide right before there are
a lot of angry fans out there who are.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Holding Kansas Chiefs that can score right And.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
In that instance too, I kind of looked at it,
and I always think to myself, I understand from the
player's standpoint, because we talk about in the huddle like hey,
first down, get down, and then that's how we end
the game. When they don't have any timeouts and you
can kneel it and then you can control your own destiny.
There's also an element to me where I'm saying to myself,
I know what happened with the Jets and the Browns
last year, because that's your classic case for why you
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do exactly what Mahomes did so you don't allow a
team to come.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Back in the game. But man, there's a lot of
ticked off fans about that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And it's also because it's their last bite at the Apple,
because they probably they probably lost their ass all on Sunday,
potentially on Saturday. Yeah, but I mean, who knows what
what their banker looks like now, I mean to the
major hit what.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You're talking from experience, I got what I'll say this.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I got one guy who said, after this weekend, he said, yeah,
I got to meet up with my bookie on Monday.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
He's like, I haven't had to do that quite some times.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
So it's not it's not a good weekend, just just
some people understand typically down so much or up so much.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yes, yeah, he's down so much.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
By the way I've I've I've talked to buddies who
have the same setup where they've got a bookie. They
go through and those meetings are always never very fun
because it's like, oh geez, just demoralize. Usually every Tuesday,
Tuesday's the day because Monday night football is over with,
so Tuesday's day you get to pay up.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But you know, so he always says Monday's the day
because this guy doesn't want to allow him to try
to like say his place in a bet on Monday,
that it's hard to find on Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Zach Wilson showed some life, Zach Zack Wilson showed some
some some spunk, He showed some some ability.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I was, I was, actually I was really pulling for him.
Like I found myself rooting for him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm team Zach Wilson. Now all the way I.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Was rooting for I ain't gonna go as far as
it goes to Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
It goes to show you what can happen when you've
got a little bit of help to you know, the
defense was playing great, they were he obviously, I mean
it kind of got sparked by the safety, but he
had some help to It wasn't like he had to
do it himself, and he made throws at times where
he gave them a chance, gave them an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And I mean critical drops.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They they might have won this game outright if not
for some of the critical drops, not in just the interceptions,
but some of the drops that like Zach Wilson was escaping,
he was delivering the ball like Carter drops the ball
like you saw like a few just drops, like just
critical drops that that were taking place in the game.
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And you're sitting there looking like, man, if they make
that catch, what happens? If you make the catch there?
What happens you make that interception there?
Speaker 6 (12:14):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Do you guys? See the stat going around on social
media involving Zach Wilson and Patrick Mahomes pretty impressive? All right,
So this is from OPTA Stats. Yeah, they said Zach
Wilson is the only opposing quarterback to have more completions,
more passing yards, more touchdown passes, and fewer interceptions than
Patrick Mahomes and a Mahomes start college or pro. So
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that's positivity that that's showing progress in the right direction
there for zachar you say college or pro yes On
twenty seven starts.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I don't know that that's accurate.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
If it's not, don't blame me. I'm just reading well
all the time.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
And there's no way that's accurate, hope, because I feel
like I've called his some of his college games when
there was guys who might have outplayed him.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Are you trying to call out OPTA stats?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
You say, I don't know what that is, but that
needs to comb through the stats.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm just saying that, Well, listen, it was it was
a fun one and uh and now we moved here.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Are they saying it's only Zach Wilson and every one
of those categories?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, only opposing quarterback to have more completions, passing yards,
touchdown passes, and fewer interceptions in mahomes and a mahome
start college.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Pro Maybe that's kind of I think that's a lot
of starts.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You have to come the opponent, so who needs the
win on the field as long as you want? In
the OPTA stats category, they were.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just soulding him.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean it was a vision, it was a view,
like they were rallying around him because they knew that
man did what he needed to do for that team
to win.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
He definitely he did, like Colin Fit and everything.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
He did enough.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
And I think one of the things that Chris Collinsworth
kind of touched on that is really important. And like
as you talked to coaches and you talk to people
in the league, that quote they'll tell you is, you know,
quarterbacks who come in the league now just don't have
a feel for the rhythm of the game. And that's
one of the biggest differences between college and NFL offenses
is the rhythm of your feet with your eyes and
how you work through progressions. The West Coast in particular,
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what Nathaniel Hacket runs with the Jets, that is paramount.
And once you get it, you then really start to
play and understand the timing and how things are supposed
to operate. Where you get the ball out, you're getting
it on time. If it's not there, you move on
to the next guy. There's just a rhythm to it.
And like back in the day when I first got
the leage, we had quarterback school, So you'd go into
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the facility probably three weeks four weeks before anyone else
went and you all you were doing was dropping and
you were working on your fullwork and your work. It's
literally like taking a dance class, to be honest with you,
and you're working on the rhythm of every single play
and what that footwork is like. And that really helped
you mentally once you got everyone else out there on
the field and all the different variables of a defense
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and all that. And last night was an example of
he was starting to feel it. He was starting to
get that rhythm of the offense down, and it's gonna
be important for them moving forward if the Jets have
any shot whatsoever of you know, hanging around and making
a playoff run like Jonas thinks they're going to.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You know, the Barges saying rhythm of the night, you know,
the rhythm of the offense. How does that song go again?
We're all on around.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I hate the Barges. Who the Barges. The Barges, damn it,
I hold the barge the Barges, the Brothers, Jerry Curls,
all those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, the Barges, real pretty dudes. And the dude when
he dated Janet Jackson, I believe really or we're married,
something to that effect.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
He was.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
He was like, you know, he was known for his
voice as smooth sub.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Orches veteran t Swift, it is and a cup of
show here.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
If you didn't know Taylor Swift's name, Fox Sports a
football fan, you know it now you have no choice.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
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Speaker 2 (16:41):
App Westmoorland underrated guitarists doesn't get a lot of credit.
Little something. He's not no relation.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's Moreland County from Home Improvement.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
All right, so it is two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. Well done, sound Sam you Johnny on the.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Spot, It's unbelievable. That was incredible fast man.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
By the way, Sam, during the break, he just kept
repeating over and over again. He kept calling Eddie Garcia, Ready, Garcia,
like just non stop to Finally Eddie just looked and said, okay,
look like we acknowledged the pun.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
I get it a little bit. It's I'm getting back
in my Monday grove.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Here we acknowledged Eddie is the adult in the room
or Ready is the adulting room.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I call him ready because he's wearing all red for
his freens.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Ready, So he's ready, Garcia, and he's ready at the
he's ready to do.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He is the adult in the room for our Showow wow,
that is really sad, but I think it's a good thing. Eddie,
Like you're the voice of reason, Like you're like the
voice of God. You come in and you're like, no, gentlemen,
this is what we need to think.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
You're so disappointed in us and to our updates.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We're just I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
We're just we're in the kitchen and we're looking at whatever.
You know, Lee's eating something. We're looking at just what
he's got cooking. And Sam just open over again with
like in a forty five second span and said ready
Garcia like three times.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
There was literally no way we couldn't hear him, and
yet he kept acting like we couldn't hear him.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
The Future finally was like, Sam, we hear you.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm at losing it today. That's
all right, Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Uh so we are going to have an FSR i
R coming up here in about twenty.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
The way the future.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
Was not even applicable have you guys seen the aviator
where he just keeps you having to ask.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
What would have just ended had he not asked?
Speaker 8 (18:55):
But he just keeps repeating that over and over again,
kind of like you in the kitchen. Yes, exactly, That's
why I played it. Oh man, Okay, let's.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Get it together here, all right. So congratulations to Sean
Payton and Russell Wilson. Sean Payton's first win as a
Denver Broncos head coach. Congratulations, Just a job well done there,
big tough road environment there in Chicago. And on the
flip side of that, Brady Quinn, your Chicago Bears continue
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to be the worst team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, Well, you know, I've got family in Monmouth, Illinois.
So that's how I became a lifelong Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
What a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Not a lot of people know that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What a coincidence. I mean, we could start with, you know,
the fact that they had a twenty one point lead
and let that go. We could start with Chase Claypool,
who was critical of the coaching staff, was a healthy scratch.
He was told to stay home by the team, and
then Matt Ebraflus afterwards said, well, I don't know, he
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had an open invite to stay on the sideline or
be at the game, which apparently was not the case.
The injuries all, I mean, there's there's all sorts of
stuff happening in Chicago, justin fields throwing the late pick
fumble in the second half. Oh and then there's the
fact that they had a fourth down the game was
tied in a makeable field goal situation in the fourth quarter,
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and so instead of you know, you would.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Think thee yeah, or they go fourth on fourth and one, or.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
A quarterback sneak, but they line up in shotgun, they
give the ball to Khlil Herbert, he gets stopped, Denver
gets the ball back and kicks the eventual game winning
field goal. So Matt Ebraflus was asking was asked about
the decision on fourth down in that spot in the
fourth quarter. Here was his response, just.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Because of them we were running it was it was
it was a half yard. So I felt very confident
about in that right there. And uh, you know, every
situation is different. You know, you got to look at
the game and its entirety. And I think that the
way we were running the football and the confidence that
we had on offense in that moment, I would say that,
you know we're going to do that right there.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, we're gonna do that right there. And that's not
going to win you the ball game.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
It's bad, man, And it's only getting worse, right, what
do you think you saw everything? It's only getting worse.
And Justin Fields had a hell of a first half.
But yeah, the late turnovers, the fumble, the interception. I
don't know what the plan is moving forward.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You guys a question? Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Chicago is a really really big market, super big market.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Why is it that Justin Fields doesn't get as much
smoke as Zach Wilson?
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Aren't they pretty comparable?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
He has?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Has he?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, I just didn't feel like I feel like Zach
Wilson is like in a category all of his own
as to how much maligned he is all his own bike.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I just, I just I don't agree with that.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I mean, Justin Fields has got a lot of a
lot of flat I mean, he was they contemplated taking
another quarterback instead of him before the season, they did,
and then ever since then, he's been like on a
week by week basis where they're grading every little thing
he does. Mind you, it's not like he's working with
a lot around him. I mean the offensive coordinator and
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his relationship that you know, came into question because of
the how the media portrayed his you know, post game comments,
practice comments whenever it was a couple of coaches ago. Yeah,
so I just it's he's definitely come under scrutiny a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, Yeah, okay, I mean I was curious because I just,
you know, needed some clarity on that.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But well, even last week when they played Kansas City,
everyone made it about the fact that, you know, the
Bears decided to pass on Patrick Mahomes, which was a
little bit ironically because Mitchell Trubisky was in that draft class.
It wasn't Fields yet because Fields was the next quarterback
they decided to take that they're kind of judging just
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the Bears decision in general to ultimately pass.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
On Mahomes, so that I also got thrown out there.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Look, the good news is what's the good news. They've
got the number one and number two pick in the
draft next year as the stands right now, because they
own Carolina's first, So I mean, we could be seeing
who knows what Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Junior, bang bang.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I would imagine the second pick they trade out for
a boatload of picks. I would imagine because who I
mean now, whoever's at three might need a quarterback, but
there might be someone who's in another spot that's willing
to give up a king's ransom to get to two.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So if they take KILEB.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Williams number one, knowing how most general managers operate, they
would rather move back down, allow someone to trade up,
give them more picks, and utilize it that way because
you're probably gonna get KILLB. Williams, Drake May and then
from that standpoint, you can maybe still stay in the
top ten and still get a big time player with
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plus whatever else you get in that trade.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It just feels like they gotta turn the page like that.
Here was the other part of that fourth down sequence
that didn't make any sense. So they lined up as
if they were gonna go for it, and it was
to try and draw Denver off sides. So then as
the play clock wound down, they called time out, and
you would think, okay, well they called time out, they
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tried it, They're gonna come out and kick the field goal. Yeah,
they go to the sideline and they come out to
go forward again, and this time they line up in
shotgun and hand the ball like I just I don't
I don't get it, Like I really don't understand. I
don't know what's so difficult. I mean, even Brandon Staley
and the Chargers they went for it on fourth down again,
(25:15):
and we can touch on whether or not that was
the right call again in that game later on. But man,
justin Herbert with you know, the the Nintendo Power glove
on his hand because his finger almost fell off, he's like,
you know, like a QB sneak. It's like it's the
easiest play call in the world, and for whatever reason,
they just line up and shotgun and hand it off
(25:36):
to Herbert, which everybody.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
And the only the only problem with that play cooff.
You if you want to go in shotgun, that's fine,
but incorporate fields as part of it. You have one
of the best athletes at quarterback in the NFL, and
you can't run a quarterback running to go like forget
to sneak for a second, but like he might be
your best running back and you can't incorporate him as
(25:57):
part of it.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
When the game's on the line.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
I just like, that's the hard thing for me when
I hear criticism of Justin Fields, I'm like, look at
the play calling, Like, look at the position they put
themselves in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Johnson like they could kick the field.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Goal and who knows how the scenario plays out if
that's the case. But then if you're gonna go for it,
put it in the guy who's probably best suited to
go get you that extra yard and puts more pressure
on a defense.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I mean, you tell me, LeVar, if you got an athletic.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Quarterback like Justin Fields, is that not the toughest way
to try to stop.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Them on short yardage? Well, I mean you saw what
happened in the Chiefs game.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
They they didn't pay enough attention to the fact that
that man will step on you. He will step out
of the front door, come off of the porch, and
run through the yard like you, right.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
I just I mean, cand of give a side note.
Dan Campbell quote that was might be the quote of
the week, all right. Someone asked him after their win
about whether you know now they're considered the hunt did
not the hunter, and his quote was, well, if someone's
coming to hunt us.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
They won't have to look very far. We'll be on
their front porch.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Very well done is a legend like that's one that
I will tell my kids, like my little girl's soccer team.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know, hey, we're five and oh girls, let me
tell you something. People think we're the hunted. All right,
We're not going to have to look very far.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Good.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I love that he still embraces his inner mead heead
I love that and just lets it, lets it rock
as a head coach of the Lions. But hey, listen,
must be nice. They're sitting atop the north and then
way way way down at the bottom are those Chicago Bears,
So not a not a good place to be.
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Monday morning, there's a lot to look back on. In
the NFL, we are getting some good news though, some
early reports coming in on Kenny Pickett's status and his injury.
(28:42):
It looks like they're checking out the MCL, possibly a
torn meniscus. He's going to get an MRI, But the
feeling is it's not an ACL issue for Kenny Pickett.
He's going to miss sometime, but it's not a season
ending injury for Kenny p which means Mitch Trubisky will
take over starting quarterback for the short term there for
(29:02):
the Pittsburgh Steelers. So Mitch Trubisky will get the Matt
Cannada treatment as of right now, but who they'll knows
how much longer that's going to.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Go on for.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean I don't know much about meniscus tears,
but I believe it depends upon the grade as far
as well they're not they need to do something, but
you can play with it. I'm not sure how effective
or how he'll be, but they got bigger problems than
just his knee injury.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was about to say, like the injury stems far
beyond just his need. Like it's it's like the Steelers
are a meniscus tear right now, and they got to
figure out how to be able to play with that
injury and doesn't have to be cleanked up through surgery,
a surgical procedure.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Or you know.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And what's being removed when you do that, I'm sorry,
that could be what's removed in that sort. That could
be the hangnail that you know, they call it a
hangnail a lot of times when that when they have
to clean and the meniscus tier like it hangs out there,
it irritates the rest of the knee. The knee tries
to heal it, but it can heal it, so it
(30:08):
swells up and the fluid and the blood and then
it's it's all kinds of bad and well, once it's
removed you know you're in good shape, but you got
to do the rehab and you got to get it
back to normal. And to me, I feel like that's
where my Pittsburgh Steelers are right now.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, it's great call, great point.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I don't know how much we'll have on this game,
but I did fail to mention this earlier, and I
really need to get your guys feedback on this.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Does Robert Sala look like Xerxes from three hundred?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
See, I thought you looked like panthro from from ThunderCats.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I mean, I'm just saying, look up Xerxes from three hundred?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
How do you spell that?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Just is?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It'll come up if you try it or something I
don't know, three hundred and then put in like z
ze er or something.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Like you're supposed to be the movie geek. How do
you spell this guy's name? A lot of x's X
E R S S.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I feel like looks like Jason Taylor. Now if you
look up Panthrow from from ThunderCats, I think he looks
just like Panthrow.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
But I was a ThunderCats fan too. Yeah, it's a cartoon.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
You can't by the way, I think Jason Taylor, Robert
Solinxerxes could all be the same family.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I guess you're right. Yeah, I guess you're right. I mean,
I will say this. I always notice and pause if
I come across the wrong way. But it always seems
as though Robert Salah has very very well kept skin
on the sideline, like he uses something that that.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Makes his his his head and his skins.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You think when you watched Jets games, you want to
know will be this. Brady, let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Why I noticed this, because they show I don't know
if you've got it.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
First off, can I get confirmation? Does he look like
Xerxes are not all right?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I just now pulled it up. Rodrigo Santoro is the
guy's name, And uh yeah, I can see that. I'm
seeing a picture with he's got hair, but if he
had no hair, I could see that.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, don't look at the actor, look at Xerxes x
E r x E S Xerxes. Jonas finds a way
of making like simple things complicated.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Man, because it's not simple.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
It is like going in through an airport with you.
I was like, man, no wonder you don't try to Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
First of all, that was when I was still trying
to figure out the whole airport ryon situation. I'm now
I'm now pre checked. You don't worry about me pre
check loaded, it's pre checked, yeah, TSA pre check baby, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Okay, green check mark, you have TSA pre check.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, I'm pre checked.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I need to get that. Honestly, I'm getting you don't
have that. We have this conversation literally every other week.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I guess I'm just shocked that you don't, for as
much as you travel, do not have it at that shot.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's really cheap too.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Which, by the way, it's not even about that, it's
about the process. Like processes like scare me, Like I'm
very very old school man, Like I don't. I just
don't like It's like, do I got to go down
to an office? Do I have to sit in this office?
How long are they going to make me sit for?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Like?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
What do I got to fill out?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Like? I just don't like doing it. I just don't
like being around.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Sound like that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Oh okay, as I say, someone say that sounds almost
like it's lazy. But I'm just like, it's not lazy
because I'm not lazy.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
It's just I'm choosing not to do certain things, like
I would rather take the physical challenge of going through
a premiere line and knowing that there are a lot
of airports that don't even have premire layer lines and.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Instead of going through TSA pre check.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's not lazy.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I just don't like doing it the physical challenge.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yes, you have to go over the wall and you
have to climb up the rope in order to be
to go through the non TSA pre check.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Can we get back to the real conversation, all right?
I mean yes, looks like Robert Salah Uh, I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That not brought it more often.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out what
the costume is on Xerxes. Very feels like there's a
lot going on there.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well, I mean he's like, you know, just saying they
were very gotdy with with what they had, Like he
had a lot of riches. I mean his body was gold. Yeah,
I mean you know that was his skin complexion gold.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, maybe that's Robert Sala's skin regiment.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Can I just clear myself by the way, Uh, the
reason why I noticed the skin products and the care
of his skin is they show him a lot. They
show him on the sideline a whole lot, just as much.
They show him more than they show Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
One.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
That's one, but then two two. I'm always looking to
see what his facial expression is. And last night was
the first time I actually seen him make facial expressions
that were kind of like he's disappointed, Like he made
disappointed facial I just thought of a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
By the way, Oh okay, LaVar, can I ask you
a question real quick because we'll have the conspiracy theory
of music coming up here in a moment. What's your
mount rushmore of best skin coaches like scrip, like as
far as coaches, you would go, Man, oh man, look
at that.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
I mean, Robert Salah is up there.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Okay, James Franklin is up there.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I'll tell you the common theme the comments.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, they're all light skin, yeah, and they're all bold.
So whatever whatever skincare they're using to moisturize their head
and their face is pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I mean, so basically your sin if you have hair,
you're not going to I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I mean, I know everybody knows how beautiful you are
and all that loyal in that department. I'm just saying
you're not going to win best Looking Moisturized Skins because
you had hair.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
All right, So it's a mount Rushmore. You need two
more so Robert Sala, James Franklin. Who else we're looking
at here?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, can we use Charles S. Dutton and Rudy
even though he wasn't a.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Coach, you know, I don't know he was a janitor, right.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I mean he was a coach, the Rock coach. Rock
was a coach grid Iron Gang. Let's let's go with
the Rock.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, it's a good call.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I don't know, man, I don't know who the.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Fourth form would be.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Dale Lindsay, I almost said f No use the word.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
I almost use the word.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
By the way.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
By the way, Dale Lindsay, all right, here's some trivia.
The only team to ever go oh to four in
the NFL is the nineteen ninety two San Diego Chargers
head coach Bobby Ross, quarterback Stan Humphries. And on that staff,
Dale Lindsay, Hey, how about that.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
He's actually he's actually a really good coach.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's actually, in reality a really really fine coach. No, No,
he was just like he was just a d bag,
like that's all.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, you know, it's cool.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I know I know why he was, Like, I know
why he had to be, but he just didn't have
to be, but he was, and and and so I
judge him based on I do the same. I feel
the same way about Joe Gibbs. I feel the same
exact way about any of those coaches. Yeah, and the
coach to the second, the second Joe Gibbs. I know
a lot of people were like, well the first one, like, yeah,
(37:46):
I don't have anything to say about that one, because
we ever get.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Your mount rushmore though.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I gave you three, Vin Diesel, you know he's not
a coach. Got to great skin, that's right, he's not
a coach.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I don't I don't know. I gave you three. You know,
what do you want from me?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I mean I just figured there might be a fourth
that we could throw in there.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I gave you guys three.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
That's okay. Yeah, you have to be determined. You have
to be determined. Give my conspiracy theory by let's go
how about how about how about day ball?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Let's go with dab all.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right, Yeah, I can see way to be inclusive LeVar.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah, job like that verse. But He's like, thank you
from all of us.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Way to wait, wait do I check a box?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
LeVar?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
You know, I like to make sure I do include everyone.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
You know what I mean? Hey from from Sam Kitts team,
thank you. I always say Sam's last name.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Of All right, let's uh. You got a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
We have had music for this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, okay, right.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
There it is. It came in there.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Who does this music make you think of?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Jonas Rob Stack?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
What's he wearing?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Trench coat?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Okay? So picture LeVar in this case in a trench coat.
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:09):
And LeVar has brought to my attention something and when
talking about Taylor Swift, because if you think about it,
last week when the Chiefs took on the Bears in
Kansas City, who broadcasted that game?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh it was Fox?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
It was Fox.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
And then last night Sunday Night Football, who broadcasted that game?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
NBC?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So my conspiracy theory is this, if indeed this is
the NFL behind the scenes orchestrating doing all they can
to try to grow their viewership and fan base, CBS
gets a crack at this thing.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Oh you're right, maybe even.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
ESPN gets a crack at this thing. ABC.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I'm just saying, if I was a TV network and
this was going on behind the scenes and I'm paying
millions upon millions of dollars a year, I want to
piece of the ratings. I want a piece of this.
I all have to share equally in my dispute.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I mean, I agree with.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You, great point. Because also they've got a CBS game
coming up this next week at Minnesota, and after that,
after that it's a Thursday game on Prime Video.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
I don't know that she'll be at that one.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Why was you?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
But what I will say to you on this is
how I knew it was. It's it's definitely agreed upon.
For one, there's too many mentions. We're we're in We're
in this business right like some people may not understand,
like live mentions and stuff like that. Every time they
mentioned Taylor Swift, that is considered to be a live mention.
(40:47):
So so how much do you think, like if they
were to live mentioned Midas or live mentioned five guys
or you know, live mentioned Progressive or Graduate Hotel, how.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Much you're being eight for that? Did you like that?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I'm glad you got a couple of arts in there.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, right, I had to had to come back to
who's paying our bills?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Those are that that's money?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And then and then, and then it comes clear in
one of the.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Parts where they're talking about her.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Then they started they did a full advertisement like, oh,
Taylor Swift in Times Square, She's like on on, like
who knows how much that that visual billboard is in
the middle of Times Square. And then they do an entire,
an entire advertisement on I guess her, her music, her concerts,
(41:42):
get that.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, it has to be beneficial because it is.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
It is. I don't listen to Taylor Swift music. It's
no disrespect to her.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
My girls do so when I'm listening to it, it's
literally a byproduct of my three girls love listener and music.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's it. My wife doesn't listen to it. I don't.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
It's only when our kids are there. And so I
understand from the NFL standpoint, if this is truly something
they're doing behind the scenes to try to grow.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
This, But those people aren't tuning in to watch the game.
They're too it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
It's like any sort of brand, you're just trying to
introduce them. I totally agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
I wonder if it works both ways, Like I wonder
if there's enough people or a guy who will check
out a Taylor Swift song now purely because she's been
following Travis Kelcey. Like I might understand the NFL's objective
and I understand how she would be compensated from it,
But I wonder if her team, her people are like, hey,
this might be good for you too to grow your
(42:46):
fan base, because over a billion. When you gross that
in a tour, you kind of hit your ceiling, right, Like,
how how much more popular have you can Taylor Swift
ultimately get unless she's able to grow and have even
greater reach to people who aren't necessarily tuning in for
that or aren't necessarily fans. There's a lot of NFL
(43:06):
folks who are like, yeah, like this is our space,
Like you don't need to invade our space with what
you do.
Speaker 6 (43:13):
Because we wanted to be offended. I really did.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
After after the first quarter and every single break they
mentioned Taylor Swift going to the break every single break,
I wanted to be offended.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
And then I'm just sitting there thinking like why would.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
I be offended that we're being force fed Taylor Swift
like they're selling jerseys. They said, they said, what what
Kelsey's jersey went four hundred percent up?
Speaker 6 (43:42):
They say, he got nine.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
All those numbers, every he's gotten like over eight hundred
thousand followers.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Now Jersey nine hundred is nine hundred thousand followers. And
then and then on top of that, then they started
selling an entirely different jersey that wasn't a Kelsea jersey.
It's a it's a Chelsea number with Swifty on the
back like it's it's I mean, it's brilliant what they did.
And I would say, if I'm Taylor Swift, I want residuals.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
I need residuals from that.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
I need a group license and agreement on on what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Is she any relation to DeAndre? You guys are no
better than me.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
He had a good game yesterday.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I'm just looking for answers here. I'm trying to get
to the bar. I'm trying to get why we should
care about it.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
They might be distant cousins. I don't know. I feel
like I could go down. I could.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
I could feel like that could take a heart right
left her.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Jonas is the.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
Guy that like rips a fart in the middle of
the dance floor at a reception.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Of a wedding, and it stops the music.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
And I just tell you, guys, Can I just tell
you guys speaking of that stops the music?
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I was.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I was.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I was at a bar in state college and I
ripped one at the bar and I just didn't think
anybody would catch on to it, because I ude, and
a whole lot of conversations and stuff like that. And
one of my homies looked at me and he tapped
me on my shoulder.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
He was like, bro.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I looked at him with him, look if you know,
if you know me and you know me in public,
like I'm like poker face. So I look at him.
He goes, bro, like, what's up?
Speaker 6 (45:20):
Man?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
I was like, what's up? Bro? He's like, did you
do that? I was like, what are you talking about?
Do what?
Speaker 6 (45:28):
He's like, dude, did you do that?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Then the one dude, my one guy goes it smells
like eggs in here.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Man.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I turned back around. I turned back around like nothing happened.
And I turned back around like after like five minutes,
like after the initial horribleness of it, passed through and
I looked at him.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I was like, yeah, I did it.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
It was me.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
It was me. It was me. It was bad too.
I smelled it too.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
It was I smelled it, and I was like, I
did not expect for it to be that bad, but
it was.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
It was that bad.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So no judgment here.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
There's that man, But you know what, you know, it
happens so that that that made me think of it.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
So thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Well, listen, it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas,
Dedre Swift.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Man, we definitely did. You just wanted to make sure
trying to trying to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
All right.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
You do know that people took on the last names,
you know, they could you know, that could have been
what it is.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, I wasn't trying to take it that allright.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
You know I didn't really think that far.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
I mean, you did kind of open up that door though.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Jonas he does that every time he makes a comment.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
He thinks it's like, hell, this be good.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
They're like, that's why I just figured out, like, you know,
what is that called subterfuse. I just figured that like,
hit it with a difference.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Okay, I'm sorry Lee. Geez, guys, guys, I wanna take
it to Leroy, all right,
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