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October 9, 2023 38 mins

The AFC North is a head scratcher with the Steelers sitting on top of the division. Humongous coaching blunders in college football highlighted by Mario Cristobal forgoing a winning kneel vs Georgia Tech. Plus, tales from Chuck E. Cheese on the “FSR IR.”

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the Pittsburgh Steelers in first place in the AFC North.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
It is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I don't get it. I don't get what happened here?
How did a Baltimore lose that game yesterday? What happened?

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:37):
First off, the Steelers defense is lights out. I mean,
they pitched a shutout the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
TJ. Watton crew.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
They're just they're special, man, I mean, they they I'm
not sure if Matt Canada is buying them dinners each week,
but he should because they have been lights out and
they have carried this team at this point. But what
they're twitter in the division now. And I'm not sure
if you want to put blame on Baltimore and some

(02:05):
of that, but I just I try to give credit
to the Steelers, like they just continually find ways of
winning football games, and look Pickett to Pickens.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
I wish we could see what we saw at the
end of the game more often.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
It's like, I'm not sure if like Matt Canada takes
credit for that, but It's like, no, you just press
man to man coverage and you know, Picket throws a
go route to Pickens and that's what they're capable of.
But that offense still just struggles mightily until there's a
couple opportunities and that's when they strike. But give credit

(02:39):
to that Steelers defense man their lights out.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I just think at this point Lamar Jackson has to
be able to navigate a good defense like the Steelers
in his division at this point.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
That that was what I came away with. I was.
I was more disappointed.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And again I'm a Steelers fan, so I was happy
to Steelers won STIs, But it just the way I
kind of internalized it was it was such a I
looked at it as, yes, a dominant performance by the
Steelers defense, but it was a lackluster performance by the

(03:21):
Ravens team as a whole, and more specifically because their
defense played played well too, But the offense just wasn't
It wasn't there, And to me, I would have thought
there would have been more explosive plays. I thought there
would have been more more scoring from Baltimore. And now

(03:43):
that makes you know that that brings into question, where
does this where does this Ravens team where do they sit? Like,
how do you view this Ravens team right now?

Speaker 6 (03:53):
I still view them as one of the best, and
I don't know, it's hard to not feel like there's
still not maybe even of the best in the vision
even though they just you know, lost that game. One
thing I noticed and I want to I want to
fact check this, but uh, look, I understand what you're
saying about Lamar, that that's a tough team to go
up against, you know, bottom line.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
And I look, I'll give you take your hat off
the Steelers.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
They're playing at home. They found a way of winning
that game. You'd like to see more production from Lamar,
but it's tough to do that. The only thing that
stood out to me is like a couple of the
times they go to Odell, they go to them in
like critical spots.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
And it's just there's nothing. There's not much there. You know.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Granty only had four targets, only a couple of catches,
but the two targets he didn't grab, like one was
on third down, another one was a key point in
the game. And I'm like, man, like, they got to
find a way of getting Zay Flowers who you know,
let him in receiving, but you know they he's to
me as special. And Nelson Aguilar stepped up in some
big spots and been good for this team. You know,

(04:58):
Bateman's been almost non existent. I just I'm not sure
as far as the passing game goes outside of Mark Andrews,
like really where they can hang their their hat on.
And I think they've got to start figuring a way
of feeding Zay Flowers. I said it before. He reminds
me a lot of Antonio Brown. He's the type that
like you can you can use as your one and
you can start to build things around He's that twitching,

(05:19):
that fast in the outside.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I just both losses for Baltimore they should be five
and zero, Like the loss against Indianapolis, you know the
Za Flowers speaking of which, you know the the miss
PI calling overtime that led to Indianapolis winning this game.
This game yesterday against Pittsburgh, Man, the Steelers had no
business winning that football game. Like it was defense and

(05:41):
it was special teams. The offense couldn't do anything, and
there were there were multiple chances for you know, Lamar
Jackson and Baltimore a ton.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Ofss A ton of missed opportunities in the game about
Baltimore a ton, But that's that's hair Nord there. They
they didn't win, and and it was a divisional game.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
I mean that's just.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
I mean it's kind of here and there because they didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, I kind of took it as it's neither
here nor there because they didn't win. I mean they
is it.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Ever here and there?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Ever?

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Wonder that?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Like I've heard people use that phrase before. I'm like, well,
when is it here and there? Then if it's not,
it's it's neither here nor there? What is it either both?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Great question?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
You know my older brother prepared me to be able
to do this radio show a long time ago, Like
he's a Brady Quinn. What do you mean he's a
braid I just always wondered that, like you've never been
so prepared for this show and it's so amazing. Like
that is so a Mike Arrington statement right there. I'm
just like some of the statements you make. It's like

(06:47):
and I sit and I'm like, bruh, do you really
want us to try to answer that? Like do you
want me to try? I have the slightest idea where
the hell that came from? But I do know I
use it. I do, I do use it. I just
used it used.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Where's the origin of that from?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
We could find that, actually, you know, it would be
good for this, Lee, Robert de Lap would be fantastic
for figuring this out.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Lee.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Can we try to search and find out where that
phrase came from or the origin of it?

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
The phrase first appeared in Arthur Golding's fifteen seventy four
translation of a collection of sermons by John Calvin. I
have no idea what that statement means. But that's the
origin of neither here nor there? An idiom?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
How about it? So what he wanted?

Speaker 6 (07:31):
So can you ask the Google machine? Is the opposite
ever true? If it's neither here nor there? Is it
ever where? It's it's here and there.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
Here typing, don't don't listen to that there or there.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I guess it.

Speaker 8 (07:47):
Yeah, I'm seeing some stuff that it there is a reverse.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
There is a reverse.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
That's that's all you got?

Speaker 4 (07:55):
You had?

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Really nice.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Neither isn't really even used in the English grammar anymore?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Is it either instead?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Neither? Neither? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (08:07):
Wow, it's it's I mean, it's usually neither here nor there.
But I'm seeing that you can define it as neither
here and there.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I've already covered it, thank you. Well.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
The ore means that only one can be true correct,
and the and means both are.

Speaker 8 (08:22):
You say nor, It's kind of like an and nor.
It's neither here nor there, so and there neither here
and there.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's already been undressed, Thank you, coach.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Neither place nor not or.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Are glad we went on this tangent shonas well?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, I mean it is fascinating. I know we're going
to bring up fifteen literature from the fifteen hundreds, but
you know.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I mean you do on the show.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean, that's that's about what the Steelers offense looked like.
It looked like it was from the fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
It was. It was neither there. I mean, let me
were here, let me be let me be real.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
When you watch the Steelers offense, is there not a
thought in your head when they win a game like that,
you're like, well, Steelers one, and that's good.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
There's top the NFC North.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
But their offensive cordator stays in place and this is
not going to work out well down the road.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, I just told my brother that the other day.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't think it's going to work out well because
if they get up against a team where they have
to score and they're I mean, you got to assume
if they if they were to find their way weasel
their way into being the AFC North champs. Let's just
say they weasel their way into it, or they even
weasel into a wild card position. You're going to find

(09:34):
yourself against a top seeded team if you're a wildcard team,
and for what it's worth, if you want a division
then I'm not sure how that works out. But I
just don't I don't think they can play even with
the type of defense that that they have. I don't
think that they can. I mean, we saw it against
San Francisco. You know, when they came up against a

(09:56):
team that could match them in physicality up front and
could could deal with what they had on defense. You know,
they they took an L, a real L, not not
a not a for fake L. They they took a
real one. And I just I don't know that with
their offense, I have any like I don't come out

(10:16):
of that game looking at the Steelers like, yep, they're
better off. I just look at it as what they
gotta win, you know, I don't. I don't feel like
they're any better off with the win. They could have lost,
and I probably would have felt I won't feel the same.
I feel good that they wont I do. But I was.
I was probably as a fan. I was probably booing
at the TV. I found myself booing. I had to

(10:39):
look around, you know, I had I had to take
a little bit of inventory on myself because I found
myself being a fan and I was booing the TV
like and and and my booze were in the form
of w tf's, like you know, out loud, and I
was asked if I was okay, and so I had
my moments. Every once in a while, I'll still watch

(11:01):
a Steelers game with my with my Jason Gilden helmet on.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Really, yeah, did you do it yesterday?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
No? I did not. I did not.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
But every once in a while I will just just
to get the feel for what it would have been
like to been a Steeler versus anything else.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's almost like one of those because they were like
so when they would show the crowd shot yesterday, like
some Steeler fans at the end of the game were
like looking at each other in amazement, like, oh my god,
we're gonna win one. Like what we rolled that out
on offense and we won that game. Damn. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's Lamar Jackson Action Jackson and the Ravens. That's a
that's supposed to be a prime time type of showdown
matchup when those two teams play. You know, that's supposed
to be. You know, as of late, the Bengals have
gotten involved with with being at tops and in the North,

(11:56):
but it's always been you know, Steelers are big brother
to everybody else. Ravens were the new kids on the
block when they didn't want to be in Cleveland anymore.
And and it came down to two cities that kind
of have have the same type of mentalities like hart
knows lunch, pale, hard hat type of guys. And that's
been Baltimore and Pittsburgh. And I guess that was that

(12:19):
type of game yesterday. I guess if you think about it,
it was. It was a defensive game. It was very
heavy defense.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Who you guys taking to win the AFC North, Like,
I'm still going.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
With Baltimore, but I'm I'm gonna stay with Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It just it feels like it's gonna be a lot
closer than maybe it should be. And I don't know
if that's to credit the Steeler defense. Maybe Joe Burrow
and the Bengals have figured something out like they did
yesterday in Arizona. But and then he got the Brownies
who were on a bye week. But you know who
knows whether or not Deshaun Watson feels like playing. So
I just I'm I still don't like.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
DeShawn Watson man.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
But by the way, can I ask this though, because
it it kind of was like a.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
The wrong way look to be the first time he's rubbers, Oh.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Wow, light up at all five?

Speaker 9 (13:09):
Damn?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Does it look even worse for him? Given that Pickett
was dealing with a knee injury.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Was it did he have like some damage to his
meniscus and a bone bruise?

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Played and played hurt, played well enough, played hurt and
played well against the same opponent to get his team
to win.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
And now they sit at top of the AFC North.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
Like I do wonder if the decision by Watson will
come back to ultimately hot them if they don't make
the playoffs because of that one game or if they
end up falling short of winning the division because of
that one.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Game and you had a bye week the next week,
I know you couldn't. You couldn't gut it out in
a divisional game, and then you have the bye week
to rest or at least give it a go.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Like the fifth on answering that question, Yeah, under the
ground that anything that he's saying can use will will
be used against.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
Him the advice of my lawyer, I asserted my rights
under the Fifth Amendment.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
See, yeah, so I'm gonna just say I ain't saying
you right, Jonas, I'm gonna just say I'm not answering
that question because that's my right not to.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
By the way, Jamar Chase is so good, Mike God.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It was seven eleven, seven eleven. Just throw him the ball, man,
you want to cure all ills, Just throw him the ball.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's fun division. The AFC Norse the fun division. And
yesterday was a fun game, not for Baltimore but TJ.
Watt and Steeler defense got after it. You know, it
looked like, yeah, the weather was maybe having an impact there.
You saw like Evan Washburn for CBS had like he
was like all warm weathered up, you know, underneath, like

(14:48):
trying to keep keep away from the chills.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
There.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
I was up at the Midwest this weekend. Trust me,
it's it's gotten chilly, starting to bite at It was
like forty two the one morning, and I was like, oh, okay,
I not expect this this early.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, not out here in southern California. Ninety degrees. Ninety
five degrees miserable.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Soft ass.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
We had on a Venice beach tank tank top yesterday,
did you Yeah, one of them. Don't like small you know,
spaghetti strap type dips. Oh yeah, let the traps lose. Yeah,
I had to let the traps breathe a little bit,
even though I didn't get off my couch.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But it's like, come on now, plus you got those
good the delts.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Let me get to you with the delts or come on,
you lose? Did you just do that, Brady or was
that the recording.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
It actually was at the same time. I did not
plan that. Holy crap. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I kind of don't like the one that you can
stand that close to.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
I kind of don't like that. Actually I was way
too close.

Speaker 9 (15:50):
Say play the one you just played, Sam, Yeah, come.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Lavart do you know where all these drops come from?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
For you? No, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
They're all magically a part of one eight second reel.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Get loose, Come on now, come yeah, get loose the phone.
Come on, mama, No, come on, it's uh. Two Pros
and a couple of Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks with you.

(16:34):
All right, So coming up, this is maybe one of
the most questionable coaching decisions that you will see in
a long time in the world of football, and somebody
is trying to explain themselves as to why it happened.
We'll get into that and you will hear from that
coach that's next here on FSR.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (17:07):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up twenty minutes from now. It's a Monday, so you
know what that means. It's another edition of the FSRR
and that'll be yours here coming up from the tire
raq dot com studios. It was a hell of a
day for college football on Saturday there. I mean, it

(17:30):
started off with that Red River rivalry, which is a
pain in the ass to say in real time, but
it started off with Oklahoma's big win over Texas. It
finished off with USC and Arizona and whatever the hell
you call that from USC trying to win that game
in double overtime or triple overtime, whatever it was, and
Jedfish not going for two, and then sort of sprinkled

(17:52):
in between there was what the hell was Mario Christobal
doing handing the ball off instead of taking a.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Knee with thirty seconds left.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't I don't get it. I don't understand, but
Mario crystal Ball tried to explain himself afterwards. This was
the Miami head coach following the devastating loss.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
And when the drive started, it was going to be
at one to fifty seven, you know, and we could
burn about one twenty seven off and then it was recalibrated.
I should have taken the time out right there at
the end. I thought he could get the first down,
and you know, we talked about two hands on the ball,
but that's not good enough.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Just told him to take any in. That's it.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Fumbled the ball at twenty five and they won seventy
five yards in two plays. So I'm not going to
make an excuse for it or say he should have
done this or that. That's it and we should have
should have done it. You know, sometimes let's get carried
away with they just finished the game and run it.
But I should have just stepped in and said, hey,
just take any.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, it's first time it's happened. So there will
not be any repeat to that from Mario crystal Ball.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Okay, okay, Look, there's always a reason and justificaing for things.
They were trying to get Cheney of their running back
hundred yards, but that's that's the truth. He was at
ninety nine yards. They gave him another carry, he got
four yards on it, then fumbled boned them, and that's
and that's unfortunately a now teaching point for every coach

(19:17):
in America and every team now moving forward. And you know,
I know you're making light of it because while he
was at Oregon, this happened versus Stanford. They that circumstance
was a little different than a little more tom in
the clock.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
But they could have taken multiple knees then, and instead
they gave the ball to CJ. Verdell. He ended up fumbling.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Stanford gets the ball back, they taken it in overtime,
and they ended up actually losing to it.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
They were Oregon lost to Stanford in overtime.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
So in this case, look, I think it was egregious
their defense couldn't figure out a way of getting a
stop on those two plays.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
But what's worse than that is it never should have.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Came to that.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
And if and look, that's the rationale for what they
were thinking. Obviously the offensive coordinator is in charge of that.
As a head coach, you got to step in and say,
what are we doing? Neil, Neil down ball like that?
They played you and c this week, you and see
who's who's undefeated right now? Drake made is one of
the best quarterbacks in the country. That may cost them

(20:21):
a shot at the ACC Championship game and ultimately a
shot at playing in the College Football Playoff.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
And even though that was a tight game, and.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know, they probably had no business making it that
close to Georgia Tech. That's what was at stake, and
so now there's zero room for air for Miami moving forward,
and they've got to play a really tough opponent in
North Carolina this week. That alms just tough to overcome if.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You're a player, I mean, if you're a player on
that team, Like there was a shot of some guy
on the sideline, I don't I don't remember who it was,
but it was a lineman who was looking around and
you just you can see in mouth, what the ef
are we doing? If you're a player on that team,
and you to find that afterwards, that the reason you
lost that game and a potential opportunity to do big
things this season is because you were trying to get

(21:09):
your running back one hundred yards instead of just winning
the game. How the hell is that gonna sit with
other guys in the locker room like that would piss
me off because of one yard you had all game
to get one hundred yards. You had all game to
get that extra yard, and because you wanted to try
and get one extra yard to get him over a
hundred some statistical number, you cost yourself potentially an opportunity

(21:33):
of big things. That is that's astonishing to me that
that was the logic.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
It was a miss. I don't have much to add
to it.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I mean, take a knee, really, I mean, I mean,
there's just not much reason, and the regardless of it's
neither here nor there. It's neither here nor there as
to what the reason was to have been behind what
real reason, true reason, media reason, whatever, whatever the reason,

(22:06):
you should have took a knee. That's that's what it
ultimately comes down to. So it's a miss. It's a miss,
and that's a hard way to lose a game. But again,
I think you still have to take inventory on the
fact that if a coach makes a call and something
goes wrong, you have to prepare for immediate you know, turnover,

(22:28):
you know the immediate like you know, changing up possession
all all week long. Like that's a part of that's
a part of football, is preparing situationally for unexpected turnovers.
So again, like you said, Q, I would just double
down on the fact that even though it was egregiously
bad in terms of just not taking the knee when

(22:50):
they turned the ball over, all you guys had to
do was hold for two plays pretty much two plays.
It was like twenty seconds left. I think it was yeah,
maybe a little more, but it just, you know, I
know it's hard to say, Okay, well I don't need
to take the blame for what took place, because I
shouldn't have been put in the position to.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Begin with, and you wouldn't be wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
But the game is played until the final whistle is blown,
and it's a lesson to learn. It's a lesson for
the coaching staff, but it's also a lesson for those
players and they could possibly be better better off after
this game knowing that, you know, being you know that
in those situations, I could be maybe we could be

(23:34):
more prepared or more accountable to one another where we
don't let a play, you know, become a you know,
a game changer, you know, for for the other team.
So I don't know, it could be a positive take
out of it, but it just seems like a horrible
way for you to for you know, lose your lose
your game.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I mean, and it's Miami on top.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
It wasn't the only one though, I mean, as you
as you touched on them, there is some questionable decision
making all across college football. Jonas you mentioned USC Arizona.
I mean that game was littered with what the hell
are they doing? I'll be honest, I'll be blunt. I
could be critical of my alma mater, Marcus Freeman. With
nine and a half minutes left, they elected to go

(24:16):
for it on fourth and eleven, when they basically gave
Louisville a fuel goal that if they don't convert, which.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
They didn't, and they didn't.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
That was one where I looked at him, like, it's
only an eleven point game.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
You have plenty of time. Why are you doing this?
I mean, it's I'm not sure what's happening lately.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
I think I've seen incredible mismanagement down the stretching games
of the clock. And that's at you know, the college
level for sure, some some pro level two, and it's
I don't know. That's what is frustrating to me watching
is I remember when there are so many things, back
when we would come in early for quarterback score, even

(24:56):
back when I was in college with Charlie Weiss, like
I could tell you ex exactly how much time you
have and how many plays you can run where you
know you're I mean, I'm trying to think of which
game it was where they completed a ball to the
running back, and I think it might have been before
I can't remember if it was before half or the
end of the game Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Jet's broncos it was Zach Wilson at the end of
the first half. That happened.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yes, Maryland, stay with them. It was it was maybe Maryland.
Maryland before half costed.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
They cost them three points, which at the end of
the day ended up not mattering the game.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
But Talia threw a ball. You're going why what? In
what I mean?

Speaker 6 (25:37):
Like you literally need to look at a quarterback and say,
how how was this? In any part of our process,
the ball has to be out of bounds or in
the end zone.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
If you have no time left or excuse me, no.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
Timeouts left and twelve seconds like you, you can't throw
the football anywhere else. We always knew if you had
anything less than sixteen seconds and no timeout, All right,
sixteen seconds and no timeout, that is the That's like
the quickest amount of time you could run a play
and get up and then clock the ball at the line.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Of scrimmage to stop the clock.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
That is it.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
If you have to run a fuel goal uniton out.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
There, we usually said twenty seconds, like for a may
Day type scenario where you're gone third down, you don't
have another option, you complete the ball, it's fourth down.
You got to kick this thing. It was twenty seconds,
but like sixteen if you're just talking about trying to
get a playoff, get everyone up the line of scrimmage
and then clock it. And so I have no idea

(26:35):
how these teams are preparing their quarterbacks and their players
in these scenarios, but it is awful the mismanagement of
play calling, decision making, and clock management.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean USC at the end of that game in
regulation and going to overtime, they had a first in goal.
There was a miscommunication between Caleb Williams and the receiver.
It almost turned into a pick six. Then there was
a fumbled snap app then they brought out the field
goal unit and that the operations on that fell apart,

(27:05):
and they they got the kick blocked. It was and
then you get into overtime and why didn't Jedfish go
for two? Like you had an opportunity to end it
right there if you go for two.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I was wondering why he didn't go for two, honestly,
But then I was like if he doesn't get it,
then everybody's going to be like why did he go
for two?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And then the one and then the one time that
he tried to go or the one time he like
later on he didn't realize, like he didn't realize, like
it was like the one time that you know, he
want to send his kicker out there and they're like no, no, no,
you got to go for two, Like he wasn't even
aware of what was happening there. And then just to
just to see, I mean, Caleb Williams bailed out Lincoln
Riley on on what won the game there because I

(27:45):
don't know what that form.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I don't know what that was.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
But I mean if not for his that they lose, Yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, it was a it was a wild That was
a fun day at college football though.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Man.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
That yeah, well fun for upsets.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's USC week though.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yeah, Well it'd you feel like USC week got a
lot better if they came off a win.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Not a loss.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
How are we feeling about that game, about the game
that just happened or going into.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
A little early early preview of US.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I would love to hear how you feel about what happened,
Like I know you talked about the mishaps, but I
mean that was I watched a lot of that game.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
That was an interesting game. What was your takeaway on it.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
I thought they just got physically beat I mean they
got out schemed. I thought defensively. Ron English, by the way,
the DC for Louisville, He's been with Brahm for a while.
I've always respected and loved the way he's called defense.
You know, like if you looked at the strength of
the n inter name offensive line, it's the tackles and
really experienced at center. But our guards are both younger,
and so what do you do when you want to

(28:51):
try to create mismatches up front? You get in those
bear fronts. We're going to cover up the center in
both guards and you create one on ones. And you
could do that with linebacker, with a defensive tackle, whoever
you want. That's essentially what they did, and they were
able to apply pressure and force Sam Harmon to get
uncomfortable in the pocket, force them to move in the pocket.

(29:13):
I thought, you know, they made plays and they needed to.
The pick early kind of stymied a little momentum, you know,
early in the game.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
And then I think Notre.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Dame was almost hesitant at times to take shots downfield.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
I will say this though.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
One of the cooler stories to me is I helped
out coaching a team down here called Pine Crest, and
there was the quarterback that we had was a really
really talented lacrosse player, but really talented quarterback too, And
I called up to their Notre Dame football office and
I said, hey, are we recruiting this kid? Like, what's
the story? Really high academic young man. We ran the

(29:51):
wing tea, which I'm not sure why they brought me in.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
The coach.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
I was like, hey, I ran a little midline, little
speed option. That's about it.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
I'm not gonna be able to help you much with
the wing t but just from being around the young man,
you could tell like, this is the type of kid
you want to marry your daughter, Like upstanding young man,
tremendous athlete, and you knew like he could play something
if you wanted to play football, Like he's that good
of a player. And so they, you know, the football
office got back there like, well, I think a recruiter

(30:18):
recruiting for lacrosse. He's a really really good lacrosse player.
I said, yeah, I go, well, he's gonna end up
playing and starting for you at some point if you
offer him or get him there for football.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
So I said, I don't know how.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
You guys need to figure it out, but talk to
the lacrosse coach and figure out how to get this
guy up there, because I think he wants to play
both if he has the opportunity to come to Notre Dame.
And so sure enough, you know, the lacrosse team offered
him a scholarship. Notre Dame ended up obviously having him
walk on the football team as well, and he was
the wide receiver that caught the touchdown. As a true freshman,

(30:50):
he's a walk on. He will eventually be on scholarship,
but he's already on scholarship for lacrosse. But it was
just kind of a cool moment to you know, a
young man, you kind of coach, you been around, and
then seeing him succeed. He's now playing wide receiver for them,
and I'm watching because he had a catch earlier in
the drive. Then he had the touchdown catch. I'm like,
why are they going away from him? Like, get back

(31:11):
to throwing to him. That get has great hands, doesn't
drop passes, he's really twitchy, really fast, and so that
was like the bright spot of the night for me.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
But then after that it just went downhill.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
I mean physically, I don't know that they're up for
the challenge of what that was. Again, Like that was
three weeks in a row in primetime you played, you know,
really physical teams and I just thought, you know, the
way Louisville was able to run the football, Jeward Jordan,
their running backs outstanding, He's got a burst, like you
kind of saw that, and the way they kind of

(31:42):
scheme some things up defensively, I think it made it
just a rough night all.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
The way around.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
And it was a bad night not to have, you know,
your a game, and that's essentially what it was. Louisville
give them all the credit in the world, and Jeff
Brawm his staff and Notre Dame just they almost seemed
like tired. It almost seemed like they were just exhausted
of of costly, you know, Planet of the lights in
that spotlight against another top twenty five team for the
third straight week.

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You know who this is Jonas.

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Okay, got to start over.

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Speaker 3 (33:55):
After your sports week after happens, it's time to get
the fsr IR report.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
All right, who's got one? Who's got an injury and
issue and ailment? They would like to discuss here?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Who got bombed this weekend?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, well we already heard Sam.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Well what about you, Jonas? I mean you always one
point at everyone else. Yeah, you don't have an IR story.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
So I went to well, I took my son to
Chuck E Cheese on Friday, had a blast.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Circass you.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
No, No, have you signed the wall?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
No they did not.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Did you feel the urge to want to put the
costume back on?

Speaker 9 (34:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, for some reason.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
So your son the story.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
No, still trying to uh figure out English. So the
uh did just it was a job, you know, tried
to pay the bills in high school.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I still don't believe you actually worked there.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
I still think it's it's more for a radio bit
or you did it like one day where you signed up,
you got employed.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
You you want to be the rat for a day
and and you.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Basically why would I make that up?

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Because it makes for good radios? It doesn't make especially
when you overnight.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
There's nothing proud of. Hey, I used to dress up
like a giant stuffed animal.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
It's self deprecating. That's what you do that that's the
card you play.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I don't do self deprecating. There's nothing to be self
deprecating about. What are you talking? You know? I believe
you Jonas, Yeah, why would I make that up? It's
a job to fill.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Because you would make it up.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
I wouldn't make it. Funny thing is it's not the
why would you? It's like, well, it's showing us. Of
course he'd make it up.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, listen, I've been accused of a lot of things.
That's the most reckless claim you've ever made reckless. But
when it came time to leave, he didn't want to leave.
So you know what, that turned into tantrum kicking, screaming,
and he's at the right height now to where I
get kicked in the balls. But my ir is Saturday night,
I wanted to make pizza, all right, little cheat day

(35:57):
forget you know what, I'll make a pizza. I have
one of these little like ovens that you put on
top of the grill and it cooks a pizza inside.
It's fun to do. And so I went to go
open the pizza sauce and the cap was twisting, but
it wouldn't pop, and it was a brand new jar,
and so I just couldn't get I'm like, okay, well

(36:17):
here's what I'm gonna do. Because I don't want to
cause like an accident or anything like that. I don't
want to spill anywhere or you know, make any you know,
mistakes with this. So I'm just gonna take a little
like a knife and I'm gonna stick it under the
lid and kind of pop it a little bit to
relieve pressure. In that way I can get it open.
I mean, you would have thought it was it was
a bottle of champagne that had been sitting on a plane.

(36:38):
It just exploded all over the walls, it all over,
destroyed my shorts, all over the ground, it went everywhere. Yeah,
it was it was hot. Man, Oh my god, it
was there botulism in there. What do you taught?

Speaker 4 (36:54):
What do you like?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Bacteria like making it explode or I have no idea,
but gas. I mean the pizza came out well, but yeah,
it was. It was a lot.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, so there was a mess. That's my ir for
the weekend.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
I'm surprised you still made the pizza even after all that.
I would have been pretty sicked.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Off, you know me, and might never say die attitude.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Come on, that's right, that's right, you never say die. Yeah,
never that LaVar. You get anything quick. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I'm good, my bar.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I had I had a you know, I just stayed
in one place this weekend. Man, watched a lot of football.
I watched a lot of football this weekend.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
So yeah, it was enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
The irs.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I stay on the irs so I don't have to
get you know, I don't come off of it.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
That's smart.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Actually, by the way, we don't have time. Now you
got to hear more details on Lee giving up giving
up his tequila shot after for the next hour.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
That's a mess.

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