October 9, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Niners embarrass the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football. Humongous coaching blunders in college football highlighted by Mario Cristobal forgoing a winning kneel vs Georgia Tech. And Nathaniel Hackett comes out on top versus Sean Payton.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar airings Brady Win and Jonas Knox
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And that'll do it that.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ye, I mean, do we have taps play taps.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's just look in the handful of games since the
Cowboys and forty nine Ers have played, going back to
the playoff game, it feels like the forty nine Ers
have gotten significantly better and it feels like the Cowboys
are just the same. And I don't know, and I
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say this, and Brady's in the same boat as somebody
who had the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl, And
I would like to accept my responsibility for a bad
pick and just say that if it's the Niners in
their way, you can go ahead and close the coffin lid.
It's not they don't have a shot in hell. And
it's not just a Dak Prescott problem. They got totally
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outclassed on every facet, on every level.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That roster is just that good.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, honestly, like Sam was talking to me before
the show started and we were just talking about how
like it doesn't matter. There's three things they have work
in their favor. First off, brock Perty has been playing phenomenal.
The way he moves within the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield.
Fine second window throws four guys that when they're not
initially open, is as good as there is right now
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in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And he's a second year player.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's just it's incredible to me that San Francisco has
found something in a guy who's I know it's ten
with ten starts, he's ten to zero right now. Yeah,
but you got to give them a ton of credit
because now looking back on everything with Trey Lances, it's
pretty apparent like Kyle Shanahan's been able to identify in
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quarterbacks like what they can do, what they can't do,
put them in a position to succeed, and then clearly
just go okay, like this guy is for real and
we were able to get him in, you know, basically
at the end of the draft where no one else
saw the value we did in him, at least of
making sure we got him. But this kid's unbelievable the
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way he's playing right now. The next thing is their personnel.
I mean, between McCaffrey to Debo, to George Kittle, to
use Check.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
To Ayuk whoever it is like it's the flavor of
the week.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
They could find ways of making any one of those
guys have a big game depending on the matchup. And
last tight it was George Kittle, So you know that's
that's the second thing. The third thing is obviously their defense.
I mean, I just when you just keep loading up
your front, when you can can load up your defense
with talent, it makes it so difficult to have any
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weaknesses and feel like you can win any master up
matchups if you're Dallas or anyone else for that matter.
So that was it. That was a butt kicking, and
that was taps for both my Super Bowl picks. Even
though the Bengals won, it doesn't feel like they're making
it either.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's just a what a demoralizing loss for the Cowboys.
Just exposed, absolutely exposed.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm not going to say I told you so, because
I think it's too early to say I told you so.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah. No, no, I'm not going to do that to
you a lot, but we don't.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm not well, I'm doing it right now, and you
know I'm not going to do it, but I could
do it. I'm just saying they did exactly what Dallas
has done to make you say I wouldn't trust them.
They turned the ball over. The offensive line didn't hold up.
I didn't think that the defense wouldn't ho hold up.
A defense didn't hold up either, And it's it can't
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be a qualifier to say, okay, well San Francisco talent wise,
play calling wise, personnel wise, like all those things. That's
what they are. That's what they are. Coming into a
game where we're saying, we're going to see how these
two heavyweights match up head to hit. This could be
foreshadowing of what's going to take place in the NFC
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Championship round. It could be a big, a big playoff
game in the playoffs before that round. But we were
going to find out who both of these teams were
because it very easily could have gone the other way.
We could have very easily saw the Dallas Cowboys defense dominate,
you know, the forty nine ers offense and make it difficult,
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make it an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
We could have.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Saw Dak Prescott and company do things that made you say, wow,
this is a team that really is on their way
and they're they're they're on the right road to possibly
challenging for Super Bowl. So it could have gone the
other way. We could have talked about Mike McCarthy's play calling,
we could have talked about a lot of different things
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that could have gone right, but it didn't go right. Now,
I'll say this, I still think it's too early to
write them off. I don't think it's it's time to
write them off because they took one ass kicking to
be to be honest like, and that's why I'm not
going to sit there and be on I told you
so type type time.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Problem is it's not really one ass kicking. I mean,
they didn't show up for as Arizona this year. There's
there's a number of you know times you kind of
watch them just scale yeah, maybe they just.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Don't have it this year. Well, I wouldn't go and
say it. You know, I'm not I'm not on there.
I'm not on their wagon that they're going to be
good to begin with. But I'm not saying the people
that on their wagon should get off of the wagon.
I'm just saying it's you should be looking around your
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wagging and seeing familiarities of the bandwagon that you're sitting on,
is all I would say.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I mean, I would say this their best hope is
this that they don't have to face either one of
San Francisco or Philly, And this is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
How it would happened.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Somehow Philly has to face San Francisco, which it seems
somewhat improbable because they should be the top two seeds,
so it seems improbable. But somehow those two would face
each other before Dallas has to face either one, and
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then one of those two is gonna knock the other out,
and then that's their best window unit because I don't
think if they have to play both they have any
shot at getting past both. They have to hope that somehow,
someway the rest of the season goes in a manner
where they don't have to face both, and they should
also hope that it's Philly who beats San Francisco, because
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I think they might match up a little better with Philly,
at least based on a one game sample so far
from this year, than they do with the forty nine ers,
and the forty.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Nine ers play to Eagles, it would be interesting to
see how they match up.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's next level scoreboard watching, and if you're having to
do that week five of the season, if you're a
cowboy fan, you're screwed, just raw map. It just yeah,
it does feel like there's there's a clear divide now.
Mike McCarthy spoke afterwards about just getting ready for this game,
getting prepared for the forty nine ers, and yeah, it
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just didn't go the way you thought it would.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I thought that prep was was good this week, so
I thought we had one of our better Fridays and
Saturdays of the year. So but I think, like we've
talked about before, sometimes you've got a great week of
preparation and doesn't go so well. In some weeks it's
not the best week of preparation, you play well. So
we we did not hit the market older day.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So there's a there's an an obvious captain obs.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Was it was he out coached? Because I'm always absolutely okay, yeah,
all right, yeah, because it didn't absolutely it did seem like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They were outplayed out coach.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
We didn't even mentioned we didn't even mention the guys
on on like Warner and and what was Ken Ken
what what's his name? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Is it kin Law? The other linebacker?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Jesus, I mean talk about active lbs playing like a
different era type of linebacker. I mean, they're physical, they're athletic,
they're rangy. I mean, I really enjoyed the way those guys.
They pretty much impacted the game from the start of
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the game. And as a linebacker, I was I just
I know the commentators were finding themselves, you know, just
really really giving high praise to them.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But as somebody green Law right.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
South Carolina, but man, they I mean Cox, They're they
That's a pretty impressive group. And and I know we're
going to continue to talk about the comparison in terms
of Philly and and Philly is impressive on every level
as well. But I just I know we know Fred Warner.
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I know we know the things he's been able to
do and the things he's been able to accomplish, and
he's been magnificent in doing it as a player like
he's he's to me, he's the best in the business
at that middle backers position. But but Dre Greenlaw, he
put he made a name for himself last night, and
he's been he's been a guy that has made plays.
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I've seen him make plays, and I know he's he's
been on the map for making plays, but he put
himself on the map to be like a pro bowler,
like even possible all pro with with what he did
last night.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It was pretty impressive. Man, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, one linebacker, give another linebackers some love.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He was impressive.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And I you know, I gotta say, I mean the
game plan and this is the biggest thing for me,
and I hope Micah understands this moving forward. Is when
you get to a level of dominance and fan fear
like he's gotten to, you are going to have to
deal with two to three dudes hitting you every single play.
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You're going to have to deal with so many schemes
that are geared to limit and minimize you in a game,
whether they're a great team or not. You're going to
see the wind blow blow hardest at the top of
the flagpole. That's what they say. You're going to see
if he's really great. Like last night, you saw a
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game plan that that truly they neutralized him and and
you gotta see other guys. There's gotta be other guys
a Diggy Zooey, whoever it may be. And I hope,
hope Vander Eshes is okay, but there's got to be
another guy that that is able to make make it
difficult for a team to use two to three guys on.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Is not supposed to be to Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean I would have thought, so he's going to
have to step up. How many times did we hear
his name last night?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Not? Not not much.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Ever since he's got paid, man, he's not been the
same same player.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
They're going to happen because that that's now, that's book
and their secondary is continuing there. Their secondary is is
almost like on the same pattern as as the offensive line.
Like you just can't get them all on the field
and keep them all healthy. It's it's a it's a
it's a fragile secondary. And this what what This was
the first game that they had their entire old line
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of note all in at the same time and it
and it didn't last. You know, the center goes out
with with an injury. It just didn't last. So and
for what is worth, they they did not look like
all pro study. It didn't look like the Larry Allen,
Nate Newton Stepnowski. It didn't didn't look like that offensive line.
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You know, it didn't look like what they've been painting
them out to be.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, but you know, I mean, look I would say this.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I thought the the O line did a decent job
on the front, But to your point about the backers,
I mean that just allowed Greenlaw who wanted to play free,
and those guys are flying around making plays and getting pressures.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So look, you gotta pick your poison again.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like we'd always talked about the mismatches with San Francisco's
offense versus they're posing the opposing defenses, you also have
that with their defense. I mean you got to kind
of pick your poison up front. That's about as talented
of a group as you will find, not a defensive front,
and then you have to worry about the next level
and how even attack their secondary. So I just you
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gotta give credit to the forty nine ers organization. The
way they've built this roster has allowed them to be
not only like they just roll through guys between obviously
have your first line guys like the Bosas and Armsteads
and and Hardgrave all that who they brought this offseason,
but even picking up like a Cleveland Farrell, who hey,
it didn't work out in Las Vegas. He was a
you know, top five pick, but it seems like this
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could be a place where he could really excel. Right,
they pick up Brandy Gregory where it did work out
with Denver this year. Now he's coming in off the
edge in a limited role like Austin Bryant, the other
guys who've got like ability who aren't starters. But they've
rolled those guys in fresh and you're getting their best
shot every time. Like they are a tough, tough defensive
front to go up against, and they can they can
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make it through a few injuries during the course of
a season because of that. So it's it's a it's
a well built roster, like a well tuned, you know,
well oiled machine.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's it's pretty pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They whiffed on a top three quarterback pick and it
cost him three first rounders, and they're still the best
team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I thought they would play Trey Lance. I know he's
third string, but I thought they might playing just as
you know that way I thought they might play. That
would have been very nice.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Just give him an opportunity to try to get a
touchdown draft.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's the only way that it would have made it
worse is if he goes out there and God forbid
he turns the ball over.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
I mean, it's just I thought the damage was already done,
so you might as well get that man an opportunity
to try to do something good against this former team
that didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's what I was thinking. But you know they put
they put uh, what's my guy? In rush? They put
Rush Cooper Rush. Do you feel the rush? Did you
feel it?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You know, I was talking about feeling the rush when
he was in last year, and I know you you
were like, it's too small, stample size.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You're probably right. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I'm not a big again, I'm not a Dallas fan.
But I did like Rush. I did like him in there.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Rush.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Hey, how many interceptions did did dakla throw?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How many? Three? The lap?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, Dak Dak Prescott's lap.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
He looked more like the lap last night than he
did Trace, you know trace Trace.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, unfortunate, That's very unfortunate.
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
It was a hell of a day for college football
on Saturday there. I mean, it started off with that
Red River rivalry, which is a pain in the ass
to say in real time, but it started off with
Oklahoma's big win over Texas. It finished off with USC
and Arizona and whatever the hell you call that from
USC trying to win that game in double overtime or
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triple overtime, whatever it was, and Jedfish not going for two,
and then sort of sprinkled in between there was what
the hell was Mario Crysti Baal doing handing the ball
off instead of taking a knee with thirty left. I
don't I don't get it. I don't understand. But Mario
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crystal Ball tried to explain himself afterwards. This was the
Miami head coach following the devastating loss.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
And when the drive started, it was going to be
at one fifty seven, you know, and we could burn
about one twenty seven off and then it was recalibrated.
I should have taken the time out right there at
the end. I thought he could get the first down,
and you know, we talked about two hands on the ball,
but that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Just told him to take any in. That's it.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Fumbled the ball at twenty five and they went seventy
five yards in two plays. So not going to make
an excuse for it or say you should have done
this or that. That's it and we should have should
have done it. You know, sometimes let's get carried away
with they just finished a game and run it. But
I should have just stepped in and said, hey, just
take any I.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Mean, it's first time it's happened. So there will not
be any repeat to that from Mario Cristo Baal.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay, okay, this look, there's always a reason and justification
for things. They were trying to get Cheney of their
running back hundred yards, but that's that's the truth. He
was at ninety nine yards. They gave Hi another carry,
he got four yards on it, then fumbled boned them,
and that's and that's unfortunately a now teaching point for
every coach in America and every team now moving forward.
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And you know, you're I know you're making light of
it because while he was at Oregon, this happened versus Stanford.
They that circumstance was a little different than a little
more tom of the clock. But they could have taken
multiple knees then, and instead they gave the ball to CJ.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Verdell. He ended up fumbling, Stanford gets the ball back.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
They take it in no overtime and then ended up
actually losing UH to the Oregon loss to Stanford in overtime.
So in this case, look, I think it was egregious
their defense couldn't figure out a way of getting a
stop on those two plays. But what's worse than that
is it never should have came to that, and if
and look, that's the rationale for what they were thinking.
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Obviously the offensive coordinator is in charge of that. As
a head coach, you got to step in and say,
what are we doing? Neil Neil devil ball like that?
They played you and c this week, you and see
who's who's undefeated right now? Drake made is one of
the best quarterbacks in the country. That may cost them
a shot at the ACC Championship game and ultimately a
shot at playing in the College Football Playoff. And even
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though there was a tight game, and you know, they
probably had no business making it that close to Georgia Tech,
that's what was at stake. And so now there's zero
room for air for Miami moving forward, and they've got
to play a really tough opponent in North Carolina this week.
That hell was just tough to overcome if.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You're a player. I mean, if you're a player on
that team, Like there was a shot of some guy
on the sideline. I don't remember who it was, but
it was alignman who was looking around and you just
you could see in mouth, what the eff are we doing?
If you're a player on that team and you come
to find that afterwards, that the reason you lost that
game and a potential opportunity to do big things this
season is because you were trying to get your running
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back one hundred yards instead of just winning the game.
How the hell is that gonna sit with with other
guys in the locker room Like that would piss me
off because of one yard you had all game to
get one hundred yards. You had all game to get
that extra yard, and because you wanted to try and
get one extra yard to get him over one hundred
some statistical number, you cost yourself potentially an opportunity of
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big things. I don't that is That's astonishing to me
that that was the logic.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It was a.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Miss I don't have much to add to it. I mean,
take a knee, really, I mean, I mean there's just
not much reason, and the regardless of it's neither here
nor there. It's neither here nor there as to what
the reason would have been behind, what real reason, true reason,
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media reason, whatever, whatever the reason, you should have took
a knee. That's that's what it ultimately comes down to.
So it's a miss. It's a miss, and that's a
hard way to lose a game. But again, I think
you still have to take inventory on the fact that
if a coach makes a call and something goes wrong,
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you have to prepare for immediate you know, turnover, you
know immediate like you know, changing up possession all week long,
like that's a part of that's a part of football,
is preparing situationally for unexpected turnovers. So again, like you said,
a Q, I would just double down on the fact
that even though it was egregiously bad in terms of
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just not taking the knee when they turned the ball over,
all you guys had to do was hold for two
plays pretty much, two plays. It's like twenty seconds left.
I think it was, yeah, yeah, maybe a little more,
but it just you know, I know it's hard to say, Okay, well,
I don't need to take the blame for what took place,
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because I shouldn't have been put in a position to
begin with, and you wouldn't be wrong. But the game
is played until the final whistle is blown, and it's
a lesson to learn. It's a lesson for the coaching staff,
but it's also a lesson for those players and they
could possibly be better better off after this game knowing that,
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you know, being you know that in those situations, I
could be maybe we could be more prepared or more
accountable to one another where we don't let a play,
you know, become a you know, a game changer, you know,
for for the other team. So I don't know, it
could be a positive take out of it, but it
just seems like a horrible way for you to you know,
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lose your lose your game.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, and it's Miami on time.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That wasn't the only one though, I mean, as you
as you touched on there is some questionable decision making
all across college football. Jonas you mentioned USC Arizona, My god,
I mean that game was littered with what the hell
are they doing? I'll be honest, I'll be blunt. I
could be critical of my alma mater, Marcus Freeman was
nine and a half minutes left. They elected to go
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for it on fourth and eleven when they basically gave
Louisville a fuel goal. Then if they don't convert, which
they didn't, and they didn't. That was one when I
looked at him, like, it's only an eleven point game.
You have plenty of time. Why are you doing this?
I mean, it's I'm not sure what's happening lately. I
think I've seen incredible mismanagement down the stretching games of
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the clock. And that's at you know, the college level
for sure, some some pro level too, and it's I
don't know. That's what is frustrating to me watching is
I remember when there are so many things back when
we would come in early for quarterback score, even back
when I was in college with Charlie Weiss, like I
could tell you exactly how much time you have and
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how many plays you can run where you know you're
I mean, I'm trying to think of which game it
was where they completed a ball to the running back,
and I think it might have been before I can't
rememb if it was before half or the end of
the game.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Minnesota Jet's Broncos it was Zach Wilson at the end
of the first half.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
That happened, Yes, Maryland.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
That happened, stay with them, it was it was maybe Maryland.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Maryland before half costed.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
They cost them three points, which at the end of
the day ended up not matter in the game.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But Talia through a ball, You're going why what in
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Like you literally need to look at a quarterback and say,
how how was this? And any part of our profit
the ball has to be out of bounds or in
the end zone if you have no time left or
excuse me, no timeouts left and twelve seconds, like you
can't throw the football anywhere else. We always knew if
you had anything less than sixteen seconds and no timeout,
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All right, sixteen seconds and no timeout, that is the
that's like like the quickest amount of time you can
run a play and get up and then clock the
ball at the line of scrimmage to stop the clock.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That is it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
If you have to run a fueld goal unit on
out there, we usually said twenty seconds, like for a
May Day type scenario where you gone third down, you
don't have another option. You complete the ball, it's fourth down.
You got to kick this thing. It was twenty seconds,
but like sixteen if you're just talking about trying to
get a playoff, get everyone up the line of scrimmage
and then clock it. And so I have no idea
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how these teams are preparing the quarterbacks and their players
in these scenarios, but it is awful the mismanagement of
play calling, decision making, clock management.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I mean USC At the end of that game in regulation,
like and and and going to overtime, they had a
first in goal. There was a miscommunication between Caleb Williams
and the receiver. It almost turned into a pick six.
Then there was a fumbled snap. Then they brought out
the field goal unit, and that the operations on that
fell apart, and they they got the kick blocked. It
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was and then you get into overtime, and why didn't
Jedfish go for two? Like you had an opportunity to
end it right there if you go for two.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I was wondering why he didn't go for two, honestly,
But then I was like, if he doesn't get it,
then everybody's going to be like why did he go.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
For two and then the one and then the one
time that he tried to go or the one time
he like later on, he didn't realize, like he didn't realize,
like it was like the one time that you know,
he wanted to send his kicker out there and they're
like no, no, no, you got to go for two,
Like he wasn't even aware of what was happening there.
And then just to just to see, I mean, Caleb
Williams bailed out Lincoln Riley on on what won the
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game there because I don't know what that play call.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't know what that was, but I mean if
not for his athletic system that they lose.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, it was a it was a while. That was
a fun day at college football though.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Man. Yeah, well fun for some upsets. Man.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's USC week though.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well it'd you feel like USC week got a lot
better if they came off a win, not a loss.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
How are you feeling about that game, about the game
that just happened.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Going into a.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Little early early preview of US.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I would love to hear how you felt about what happened. Like,
I know you talked about the mishaps. But I mean
that was I watched a lot of that game. That
was an interesting game. What was your takeaway on it?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I thought they just got physically beat I mean they
got out schemed. I thought defensively, Ron English, by the way,
the DC for Louisville, He's been with Brahm for a while.
I've always respected and loved the way he's called defense.
You know, like if you looked at this strand of
the Notre Dame offensive line, it's the tackles and really
experience at center. But our guards are both younger, and
so what do you do when you want to try
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to create mismatches up front? You get in those bear fronts.
We're going to cover up the center in both guards,
and you create one on ones. And you could do
that with linebacker, with a defensive tackle, whoever you want.
That's essentially what they did, and they were able to
apply pressure and force Sam Harmon to get uncomfortable in
the pocket, force them to move in the pocket. I thought,
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you know, they made plays and they needed to. The
pick early kind of stymied a little momentum, you know,
early in the game, and then I think Notre Dame
was almost hesitant at.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Times to take shots downfield. I will say this though.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
One of the cooler stories to me is I helped
out coaching a team down here called Pine Crest, and
there was the quarterback that we have was a really
really talented lacrosse player, but really talented quarterback too, And
I called up to their Notre Dame football office and
I said, hey, are we recruiting this kid? Like, what's
what's the story? Really high academic young man. We ran
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the wing tea, which I'm not sure why they brought
me in.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The coach. I was like, hey, I ran a little midline,
little speed option. That's about it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I'm not gonna able to help you much with wing tea,
but just from being around the young man, you could
tell like, this is the type of kid you want
to marry your daughter, Like upstanding young man, tremendous athlete,
and you knew like he could play something if you
wanted to play football, Like.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He's that good of a player. And so they, you know,
the football.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Office got back there like, well, I think a recruiter
recruiting for lacrosse.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He's a really really good lacrosse player.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I said, yeah, I go, well, he's gonna end up
playing and starting for you at some point if you
offer him or get him there for football. So I said,
I don't know how, you guys need to figure it out,
but talk to the lacrosse coach and figure out how
to get this guy up there, because I think he
wants to play both if he has the opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Come to Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And so sure enough, you know, the lacrosse team offer
him a scholarship. Notre Dame en up obviously having him
walk on the football team as well, and he was
the wide receiver that caught the touchdown. As a true freshman,
he's a walk on. He will eventually be on scholarship,
but he's already on scholarship for lacrosse. But it was
just kind of a cool moment to you know, a
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young man, you kind of coach, you've been around, and
then seeing him succeed. He's now playing wide receiver for them,
and I'm watching because he had a catch earlier in
the drive they had the touchdown catch, I'm like, why
are they going away from him?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Like, get back to throwing to him.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That get has great hands, doesn't drop passes, He's really twitchy,
really fast, and so that was like the bright spot of.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
The night for me. But then after that it just
went downhill.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I mean physically, I don't know that they were up
for the challenge of what that was. Again, like that
was three weeks in a row in primetime you played,
you know, really physical teams, and I just thought, you know,
the way Louisville was able to run the football, Joe
Ward Jordan, their running backs outstanding, He's got a burst,
like you kind of saw that, and the way they
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kind of schemes some things up defensively, I think it
made it just a rough night all the way around.
And it was a bad night not to have, you know,
your a game, and that's essentially what it was. Louisville.
Give them all the credit in the world, Jeff Bram's
staff and Notre Dame. Just they almost seem like tired.
They almost seemed like they were just exhausted of constantly,
you know, planet the lights in that spotlight against another
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top twenty five team for the third straight week.
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
It was a big win for the New York Jets,
who get some revenge the Sean Payton comments before the
season about Nathaniel Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett now the offensive coordinator.
It was a game that we were looking forward to
after the comments were made. Although Aaron Rodgers wasn't there,
it was Zach Wilson in company getting it done for
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the New York Jets. And afterwards, Robert Sala made sure
to point out who this game ball was for. Let's
take a listen, how about offense.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I got one game ball watch you guys. Know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's an honor to be with you guys watching that
defense go out there.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Sack him get turnovers.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It's abster beautiful watching his offense. One then it was
only the beginning. We all could get better.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I just appreciate all you man, especially as I get
to know you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, everybody loves that guy, like this is not just
a Rogers thing. Everybody loves Nathaniel.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I thought what was most interesting about those comments was
what he led off with. I mean, Robert Salah is
giving him praise and appreciation because of what was said
in the offseason by Sean Payton. But if you listen
to what he first acknowledged, it was the defense and
sacking that guy is what he said, which kinda is
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interesting because I mean, I don't know how Russell and
Hackett's relationship was, but kind of lends you to think
that maybe there's a lot more there between those two
and what did or didn't get you know, if they
didn't get along, because the highlight to me was Breece Hall,
I mean the way he toted that rock. I know
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the Denver's defense has struggled this year. I mean they
make everyone look good, but one hundred and seventy seven
yards out of Tuddy and that sort of you know
game in the NFL. That's still something, but that wasn't
what Nathaniel Hackett led off with. So I just kind
of feel like there is probably a lot more there
to the relationship between him and Russell Wilson then we've
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heard on the outside, and maybe that's why he led
off with what he said the way he said it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, because the Hackett was the fall guy. He was
the one who had to go.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, but there's more than just that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I mean, we you knew, based on the contract and
the trade to get Russell Wilson, they couldn't move on
from him after one year, So that's that's It's not
the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
There's more there.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
There were clearly some you know, as far as maybe why,
you know, because he took the blame him that it
wasn't all on him, And maybe we're starting to see
that a little bit with how things are playing on Denver.
You know, maybe that was why he said what he said.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what I'm on.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I tell y'all if y'all see my notes, y'all know
what I'm on. I'm wondering, can Denver be so bad
that they let Sean Payton go in one season? Because
it's possible that they could be that bad just seeing
the sample size of what we've seen so far, my estimation,
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it's so bad that it could be that bad in
my estimation. Now, I'm not calling for no one's job,
It's not what I do. But we have seen a
trend where coaches can lose their gig in one season.
And I mean, need I say those seasons looked a
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lot like how this one? Like, Okay, we're talking about
the award, Hackett getting getting the award, getting the game ball.
Everybody loves them, this, that and the other. Was it
worse than this when he was there? Was it worse?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't know, isn't debatable?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, I guess you could say that. I mean, I
and also because I think people assumed, well, if you
got rid of the coach and you bring in Sean Payton,
they're going to fix everything, and they it just doesn't
look anywhere close to what anybody thought they'd be.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And how much better does it look? How much better
does it look? I'll say this much.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, Russell Wilson's played a lot better than how
he looked last year. And I think the difference is,
you know, you know, you've got a different guy in
they're calling the plays a different head coach's offensive mind.
The problem with Dever's not their offense, it's largely their defense.
I mean their defense is atrocious right now. I mean, seriously,
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everyone has been able to put up, you know, points
and scores. Like, if anyone's going to take the fall,
it's probably gonna be Vance Joseph.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I was going to say, does he make it through
the season.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like, I don't think he does it this rate.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I mean, they have looked awful and they have no
answers whatsoever. I mean, you're talking about a defense that
gave up seventy points. Seventy points. They are dead last
in almost every single category, I mean, points, yards, bottom half,
and red zone percentage, like surprising somehow they're like bottom
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half and third down but not as bad as you'd think,
but they are. I mean, it's just awful. The big
plays everything else. So unfortunately, like if there's going to
be a fall guy, it's probably going to be Advanced
Joseph initially, and then we'll see who survives based on
how the rest of the season turns out. And it's
not like things get any easier. They play Kansas City
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in Kansas City this week.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's just what you know, what we need to get right.
We need a short week at Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know what the worst part is, they got to
play them two weeks after that, Like literally, if you
by week comes at week nine, they've got to play
and between now and then Kansas City twice and then
they've got to play Green Bay in between. Granted at
at home, so maybe that's a little more winnable. They
might be a one win team going into the bye.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And then out of the buy they're at Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Okay, so you get rid of you get rid of
the defensive coordinator at the bye.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I mean that at least you have time to prepare
whoever the next man up is.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay, so then if the next man and by.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
The way, the worst part is like the way their
schedule finishes, they go back to back to back on.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The road versus Houston.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It looks a lot better, we thought the Chargers, who
are tough Detroit, who's the top DYNFC North.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I mean for the last six weeks, they might not.
They might win what two three games?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, I mean it depending on how this whole thing
turns out.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
But the way their defense is playing. Yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
As of right now, they're projected to get the number
three pick in the draft. If they're picking that high,
you're going QB, right, try and get younger.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
What if pets? Who's there, pets, who's ahead of you
and who's picking?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I mean, you don't want to force yourself into into
taking a QB that you don't love.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I take that that spot.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
I mean you're saying Russ is playing well, so why
would they be looking to get a QB at three?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, he's playing better, but it's not like he's lighting
the league on fire.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
He's not doing that bad either though.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's they just feel like And I wonder at what
point if part of Sean Payton airing out and at
the Annuel Hackett and just voicing his frustration, I wonder
at what point he realized, uh oh that maybe this
isn't this isn't what I thought it was. And I
would not be surprised if Sean Payton decides to walk
away from the gig, Like if he just said all right,
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what yeah, if he just yeah, I would not be surprised.
Go do Go do broadcasts.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Ruined that it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I mean, I just think he looks at it and
goes and maybe it's not fixable. Maybe I'm just saying
it would not It would not surprise me if he
decided I just I'm out come on.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I mean I could see him.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I could see him being candid and transparent enough to
say this was a harder, this was a bigger fix
than what I thought it was right. I could see
him doing that. But I don't I wouldn't see him
going to the extreme that you're you're saying.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I mean, it's not going to get any easier in
that division. I mean, thankfully you got the Raiders there.
You can provide some hope, you could get a couple
of wins, but you still got to deal with the Chargers.
You still got to deal with the Chiefs. I just
I don't see where there's room for them to grow
with what.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
He just quits. I mean, that's essentially what you're saying,
I can't win, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Of here, goes.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I mean, you do you do remember when he went
seven to nine for three straight years in New Orleans,
right like he just quit that. He was like, I
can't get over the hump, can't get this team back
where I needed to be, Like, you really wouldn't be
like that wouldn't shock you if you just said, oh yeah,
I'm out.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
No God, I think it's more likely for him to
fix Denver than Belichick to fix the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That actually is an interesting question. Who's worse off Denver
the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Patriots are?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think they might be too, That's how bad the
Patriots are. Thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
For starting over. Like, think about that, Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Stand that there are some really bad teams in the NFL.
There's really bad teams.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
I mean, for that for the Goat to be at
the stand the podium and be like starting over.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
By the way, did did you see the way that
Jets handled social media and all the stuff?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh did they send the.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Aaron Rodgers was out.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
There staying stuffs Gardner Like the Jets account sent a
picture of who is the character the actor who played
Sean Pain in that movie?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, Kevin James. Kevin James. They said out a little
tweet with that. They were active.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, they were just like they were this offseason, which
you know didn't matter this matchup.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
No, apparently Denver was the off season champs from about
their account.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, it seems like it.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
And that'll do it that.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ye, I mean, do we have taps play taps.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's just look in the handful of games since the
Cowboys and forty nine Ers have played, going back to
the playoff game, it feels like the forty nine Ers
have gotten significantly better and it feels like the Cowboys
are just the same. And I don't know, and I
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say this, and Brady's in the same boat as somebody
who had the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl, And
I would like to accept my responsibility for a bad
pick and just say that if it's the Niners in
their way, you can go ahead and close the coffin lid.
It's not they don't have a shot in hell. And
it's not just a Dak Prescott problem. They got totally
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outclassed on every facet, on every level.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That roster is just that good.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I mean, honestly, like Sam was talking to me before
the show started and we were just talking about how
like it doesn't matter. There's three things they have work
in their favor. First off, brock Perty has been playing phenomenal.
The way he moves within the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield.
Fine second window throws four guys that when they're not
initially open, is as good as there is right now
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in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And he's a second year player.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's just it's incredible to me that San Francisco has
found something in a guy who's I know it's ten
with ten starts, he's ten to zero right now. Yeah,
but you got to give them a ton of credit
because now looking back on everything with Trey Lances, it's
pretty apparent like Kyle Shanahan's been able to identify in
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quarterbacks like what they can do, what they can't do,
put them in a position to succeed, and then clearly
just go okay, like this guy is for real and
we were able to get him in, you know, basically
at the end of the draft where no one else
saw the value we did in him, at least of
making sure we got him. But this kid's unbelievable the
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way he's playing right now. The next thing is their personnel.
I mean, between McCaffrey to Debo, to George Kittle, to
use Check.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
To Ayuk whoever it is like it's the flavor of
the week.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
They could find ways of making any one of those
guys have a big game depending on the matchup. And
last tight it was George Kittle, So you know that's
that's the second thing. The third thing is obviously their defense.
I mean, I just when you just keep loading up
your front, when you can can load up your defense
with talent, it makes it so difficult to have any
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weaknesses and feel like you can win any master up
matchups if you're Dallas or anyone else for that matter.
So that was it. That was a butt kicking, and
that was taps for both my Super Bowl picks. Even
though the Bengals won, it doesn't feel like they're making
it either.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's just a what a demoralizing loss for the Cowboys.
Just exposed, absolutely exposed.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm not going to say I told you so, because
I think it's too early to say I told you so.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah. No, no, I'm not going to do that to
you a lot, but we don't.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I'm not well, I'm doing it right now, and you
know I'm not going to do it, but I could
do it. I'm just saying they did exactly what Dallas
has done to make you say I wouldn't trust them.
They turned the ball over. The offensive line didn't hold up.
I didn't think that the defense wouldn't ho hold up.
A defense didn't hold up either, And it's it can't
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be a qualifier to say, okay, well San Francisco talent wise,
play calling wise, personnel wise, like all those things. That's
what they are. That's what they are. Coming into a
game where we're saying, we're going to see how these
two heavyweights match up head to hit. This could be
foreshadowing of what's going to take place in the NFC
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Championship round. It could be a big, a big playoff
game in the playoffs before that round. But we were
going to find out who both of these teams were
because it very easily could have gone the other way.
We could have very easily saw the Dallas Cowboys defense dominate,
you know, the forty nine ers offense and make it difficult,
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make it an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
We could have.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Saw Dak Prescott and company do things that made you say, wow,
this is a team that really is on their way
and they're they're they're on the right road to possibly
challenging for Super Bowl. So it could have gone the
other way. We could have talked about Mike McCarthy's play calling,
we could have talked about a lot of different things
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that could have gone right, but it didn't go right. Now,
I'll say this, I still think it's too early to
write them off. I don't think it's it's time to
write them off because they took one ass kicking to
be to be honest like, and that's why I'm not
going to sit there and be on I told you
so type type time.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Problem is it's not really one ass kicking. I mean,
they didn't show up for as Arizona this year. There's
there's a number of you know times you kind of
watch them just scale yeah, maybe they just.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Don't have it this year. Well, I wouldn't go and
say it. You know, I'm not I'm not on there.
I'm not on their wagon that they're going to be
good to begin with. But I'm not saying the people
that on their wagon should get off of the wagon.
I'm just saying it's you should be looking around your
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wagging and seeing familiarities of the bandwagon that you're sitting on,
is all I would say.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I mean, I would say this their best hope is
this that they don't have to face either one of
San Francisco or Philly, And this is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
How it would happened.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Somehow Philly has to face San Francisco, which it seems
somewhat improbable because they should be the top two seeds,
so it seems improbable. But somehow those two would face
each other before Dallas has to face either one, and
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then one of those two is gonna knock the other out,
and then that's their best window unit because I don't
think if they have to play both they have any
shot at getting past both. They have to hope that somehow,
someway the rest of the season goes in a manner
where they don't have to face both, and they should
also hope that it's Philly who beats San Francisco, because
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I think they might match up a little better with Philly,
at least based on a one game sample so far
from this year, than they do with the forty nine ers,
and the forty.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Nine ers play to Eagles, it would be interesting to
see how they match up.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's next level scoreboard watching, and if you're having to
do that week five of the season, if you're a
cowboy fan, you're screwed, just raw map. It just yeah,
it does feel like there's there's a clear divide now.
Mike McCarthy spoke afterwards about just getting ready for this game,
getting prepared for the forty nine ers, and yeah, it
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just didn't go the way you thought it would.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
I thought that prep was was good this week, so
I thought we had one of our better Fridays and
Saturdays of the year. So but I think, like we've
talked about before, sometimes you've got a great week of
preparation and doesn't go so well. In some weeks it's
not the best week of preparation, you play well. So
we we did not hit the market older day.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So there's a there's an an obvious captain obs.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Was it was he out coached? Because I'm always absolutely okay, yeah,
all right, yeah, because it didn't absolutely it did seem like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They were outplayed out coach.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
We didn't even mentioned we didn't even mention the guys
on on like Warner and and what was Ken Ken
what what's his name? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Is it kin Law? The other linebacker?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Jesus, I mean talk about active lbs playing like a
different era type of linebacker. I mean, they're physical, they're athletic,
they're rangy. I mean, I really enjoyed the way those guys.
They pretty much impacted the game from the start of
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the game. And as a linebacker, I was I just
I know the commentators were finding themselves, you know, just
really really giving high praise to them.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But as somebody green Law right.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
South Carolina, but man, they I mean Cox, They're they
That's a pretty impressive group. And and I know we're
going to continue to talk about the comparison in terms
of Philly and and Philly is impressive on every level
as well. But I just I know we know Fred Warner.
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I know we know the things he's been able to
do and the things he's been able to accomplish, and
he's been magnificent in doing it as a player like
he's he's to me, he's the best in the business
at that middle backers position. But but Dre Greenlaw, he
put he made a name for himself last night, and
he's been he's been a guy that has made plays.
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I've seen him make plays, and I know he's he's
been on the map for making plays, but he put
himself on the map to be like a pro bowler,
like even possible all pro with with what he did
last night.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It was pretty impressive. Man, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, one linebacker, give another linebackers some love.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He was impressive.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And I you know, I gotta say, I mean the
game plan and this is the biggest thing for me,
and I hope Micah understands this moving forward. Is when
you get to a level of dominance and fan fear
like he's gotten to, you are going to have to
deal with two to three dudes hitting you every single play.
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You're going to have to deal with so many schemes
that are geared to limit and minimize you in a game,
whether they're a great team or not. You're going to
see the wind blow blow hardest at the top of
the flagpole. That's what they say. You're going to see
if he's really great. Like last night, you saw a
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game plan that that truly they neutralized him and and
you gotta see other guys. There's gotta be other guys
a Diggy Zooey, whoever it may be. And I hope,
hope Vander Eshes is okay, but there's got to be
another guy that that is able to make make it
difficult for a team to use two to three guys on.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Is not supposed to be to Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean I would have thought, so he's going to
have to step up. How many times did we hear
his name last night?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Not? Not not much.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Ever since he's got paid, man, he's not been the
same same player.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
They're going to happen because that that's now, that's book
and their secondary is continuing there. Their secondary is is
almost like on the same pattern as as the offensive line.
Like you just can't get them all on the field
and keep them all healthy. It's it's a it's a
it's a fragile secondary. And this what what This was
the first game that they had their entire old line
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of note all in at the same time and it
and it didn't last. You know, the center goes out
with with an injury. It just didn't last. So and
for what is worth, they they did not look like
all pro study. It didn't look like the Larry Allen,
Nate Newton Stepnowski. It didn't didn't look like that offensive line.
(12:22):
You know, it didn't look like what they've been painting
them out to be.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, but you know, I mean, look I would say this.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I thought the the O line did a decent job
on the front, But to your point about the backers,
I mean that just allowed Greenlaw who wanted to play free,
and those guys are flying around making plays and getting pressures.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So look, you gotta pick your poison again.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like we'd always talked about the mismatches with San Francisco's
offense versus they're posing the opposing defenses, you also have
that with their defense. I mean you got to kind
of pick your poison up front. That's about as talented
of a group as you will find, not a defensive front,
and then you have to worry about the next level
and how even attack their secondary. So I just you
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gotta give credit to the forty nine ers organization. The
way they've built this roster has allowed them to be
not only like they just roll through guys between obviously
have your first line guys like the Bosas and Armsteads
and and Hardgrave all that who they brought this offseason,
but even picking up like a Cleveland Farrell, who hey,
it didn't work out in Las Vegas. He was a
you know, top five pick, but it seems like this
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could be a place where he could really excel. Right,
they pick up Brandy Gregory where it did work out
with Denver this year. Now he's coming in off the
edge in a limited role like Austin Bryant, the other
guys who've got like ability who aren't starters. But they've
rolled those guys in fresh and you're getting their best
shot every time. Like they are a tough, tough defensive
front to go up against, and they can they can
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make it through a few injuries during the course of
a season because of that. So it's it's a it's
a well built roster, like a well tuned, you know,
well oiled machine.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's it's pretty pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
They whiffed on a top three quarterback pick and it
cost him three first rounders, and they're still the best
team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I thought they would play Trey Lance. I know he's
third string, but I thought they might playing just as
you know that way I thought they might play. That
would have been very nice.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Just give him an opportunity to try to get a
touchdown draft.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's the only way that it would have made it
worse is if he goes out there and God forbid
he turns the ball over.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
I mean, it's just I thought the damage was already done,
so you might as well get that man an opportunity
to try to do something good against this former team
that didn't want him.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That's what I was thinking. But you know they put
they put uh, what's my guy? In rush? They put
Rush Cooper Rush. Do you feel the rush? Did you
feel it?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You know, I was talking about feeling the rush when
he was in last year, and I know you you
were like, it's too small, stample size.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You're probably right. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I'm not a big again, I'm not a Dallas fan.
But I did like Rush. I did like him in there.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Rush.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Hey, how many interceptions did did dakla throw?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How many? Three? The lap?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, Dak Dak Prescott's lap.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
He looked more like the lap last night than he
did Trace, you know trace Trace.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, unfortunate, That's very unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
It was a hell of a day for college football
on Saturday there. I mean, it started off with that
Red River rivalry, which is a pain in the ass
to say in real time, but it started off with
Oklahoma's big win over Texas. It finished off with USC
and Arizona and whatever the hell you call that from
USC trying to win that game in double overtime or
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triple overtime, whatever it was, and Jedfish not going for two,
and then sort of sprinkled in between there was what
the hell was Mario Crysti Baal doing handing the ball
off instead of taking a knee with thirty left. I
don't I don't get it. I don't understand. But Mario
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crystal Ball tried to explain himself afterwards. This was the
Miami head coach following the devastating loss.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
And when the drive started, it was going to be
at one fifty seven, you know, and we could burn
about one twenty seven off and then it was recalibrated.
I should have taken the time out right there at
the end. I thought he could get the first down,
and you know, we talked about two hands on the ball,
but that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Just told him to take any in. That's it.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
Fumbled the ball at twenty five and they went seventy
five yards in two plays. So not going to make
an excuse for it or say you should have done
this or that. That's it and we should have should
have done it. You know, sometimes let's get carried away
with they just finished a game and run it. But
I should have just stepped in and said, hey, just
take any I.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Mean, it's first time it's happened. So there will not
be any repeat to that from Mario Cristo Baal.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Okay, okay, this look, there's always a reason and justification
for things. They were trying to get Cheney of their
running back hundred yards, but that's that's the truth. He
was at ninety nine yards. They gave Hi another carry,
he got four yards on it, then fumbled boned them,
and that's and that's unfortunately a now teaching point for
every coach in America and every team now moving forward.
(17:37):
And you know, you're I know you're making light of
it because while he was at Oregon, this happened versus Stanford.
They that circumstance was a little different than a little
more tom of the clock. But they could have taken
multiple knees then, and instead they gave the ball to CJ.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Verdell. He ended up fumbling, Stanford gets the ball back.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
They take it in no overtime and then ended up
actually losing UH to the Oregon loss to Stanford in overtime.
So in this case, look, I think it was egregious
their defense couldn't figure out a way of getting a
stop on those two plays. But what's worse than that
is it never should have came to that, and if
and look, that's the rationale for what they were thinking.
(18:20):
Obviously the offensive coordinator is in charge of that. As
a head coach, you got to step in and say,
what are we doing? Neil Neil devil ball like that?
They played you and c this week, you and see
who's who's undefeated right now? Drake made is one of
the best quarterbacks in the country. That may cost them
a shot at the ACC Championship game and ultimately a
shot at playing in the College Football Playoff. And even
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though there was a tight game, and you know, they
probably had no business making it that close to Georgia Tech,
that's what was at stake. And so now there's zero
room for air for Miami moving forward, and they've got
to play a really tough opponent in North Carolina this week.
That hell was just tough to overcome if.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You're a player. I mean, if you're a player on
that team, Like there was a shot of some guy
on the sideline. I don't remember who it was, but
it was alignman who was looking around and you just
you could see in mouth, what the eff are we doing?
If you're a player on that team and you come
to find that afterwards, that the reason you lost that
game and a potential opportunity to do big things this
season is because you were trying to get your running
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back one hundred yards instead of just winning the game.
How the hell is that gonna sit with with other
guys in the locker room Like that would piss me
off because of one yard you had all game to
get one hundred yards. You had all game to get
that extra yard, and because you wanted to try and
get one extra yard to get him over one hundred
some statistical number, you cost yourself potentially an opportunity of
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big things. I don't that is That's astonishing to me
that that was the logic.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It was a.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Miss I don't have much to add to it. I mean,
take a knee, really, I mean, I mean there's just
not much reason, and the regardless of it's neither here
nor there. It's neither here nor there as to what
the reason would have been behind, what real reason, true reason,
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media reason, whatever, whatever the reason, you should have took
a knee. That's that's what it ultimately comes down to.
So it's a miss. It's a miss, and that's a
hard way to lose a game. But again, I think
you still have to take inventory on the fact that
if a coach makes a call and something goes wrong,
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you have to prepare for immediate you know, turnover, you
know immediate like you know, changing up possession all week long,
like that's a part of that's a part of football,
is preparing situationally for unexpected turnovers. So again, like you said,
a Q, I would just double down on the fact
that even though it was egregiously bad in terms of
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just not taking the knee when they turned the ball over,
all you guys had to do was hold for two
plays pretty much, two plays. It's like twenty seconds left.
I think it was, yeah, yeah, maybe a little more,
but it just you know, I know it's hard to say, Okay, well,
I don't need to take the blame for what took place,
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because I shouldn't have been put in a position to
begin with, and you wouldn't be wrong. But the game
is played until the final whistle is blown, and it's
a lesson to learn. It's a lesson for the coaching staff,
but it's also a lesson for those players and they
could possibly be better better off after this game knowing that,
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you know, being you know that in those situations, I
could be maybe we could be more prepared or more
accountable to one another where we don't let a play,
you know, become a you know, a game changer, you know,
for for the other team. So I don't know, it
could be a positive take out of it, but it
just seems like a horrible way for you to you know,
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lose your lose your game.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, and it's Miami on time.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That wasn't the only one though, I mean, as you
as you touched on there is some questionable decision making
all across college football. Jonas you mentioned USC Arizona, My god,
I mean that game was littered with what the hell
are they doing? I'll be honest, I'll be blunt. I
could be critical of my alma mater, Marcus Freeman was
nine and a half minutes left. They elected to go
(22:33):
for it on fourth and eleven when they basically gave
Louisville a fuel goal. Then if they don't convert, which
they didn't, and they didn't. That was one when I
looked at him, like, it's only an eleven point game.
You have plenty of time. Why are you doing this?
I mean, it's I'm not sure what's happening lately. I
think I've seen incredible mismanagement down the stretching games of
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the clock. And that's at you know, the college level
for sure, some some pro level too, and it's I
don't know. That's what is frustrating to me watching is
I remember when there are so many things back when
we would come in early for quarterback score, even back
when I was in college with Charlie Weiss, like I
could tell you exactly how much time you have and
(23:19):
how many plays you can run where you know you're
I mean, I'm trying to think of which game it
was where they completed a ball to the running back,
and I think it might have been before I can't
rememb if it was before half or the end of
the game.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Minnesota Jet's Broncos it was Zach Wilson at the end
of the first half.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
That happened, Yes, Maryland.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
That happened, stay with them, it was it was maybe Maryland.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Maryland before half costed.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
They cost them three points, which at the end of
the day ended up not matter in the game.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But Talia through a ball, You're going why what in
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Like you literally need to look at a quarterback and say,
how how was this? And any part of our profit
the ball has to be out of bounds or in
the end zone if you have no time left or
excuse me, no timeouts left and twelve seconds, like you
can't throw the football anywhere else. We always knew if
you had anything less than sixteen seconds and no timeout,
(24:16):
All right, sixteen seconds and no timeout, that is the
that's like like the quickest amount of time you can
run a play and get up and then clock the
ball at the line of scrimmage to stop the clock.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That is it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
If you have to run a fueld goal unit on
out there, we usually said twenty seconds, like for a
May Day type scenario where you gone third down, you
don't have another option. You complete the ball, it's fourth down.
You got to kick this thing. It was twenty seconds,
but like sixteen if you're just talking about trying to
get a playoff, get everyone up the line of scrimmage
and then clock it. And so I have no idea
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how these teams are preparing the quarterbacks and their players
in these scenarios, but it is awful the mismanagement of
play calling, decision making, clock management.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I mean USC At the end of that game in regulation,
like and and and going to overtime, they had a
first in goal. There was a miscommunication between Caleb Williams
and the receiver. It almost turned into a pick six.
Then there was a fumbled snap. Then they brought out
the field goal unit, and that the operations on that
fell apart, and they they got the kick blocked. It
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was and then you get into overtime, and why didn't
Jedfish go for two? Like you had an opportunity to
end it right there if you go for two.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I was wondering why he didn't go for two, honestly,
But then I was like, if he doesn't get it,
then everybody's going to be like why did he go.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
For two and then the one and then the one
time that he tried to go or the one time
he like later on, he didn't realize, like he didn't realize,
like it was like the one time that you know,
he wanted to send his kicker out there and they're
like no, no, no, you got to go for two,
Like he wasn't even aware of what was happening there.
And then just to just to see, I mean, Caleb
Williams bailed out Lincoln Riley on on what won the
(26:01):
game there because I don't know what that play call.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't know what that was, but I mean if
not for his athletic system that they lose.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, it was a it was a while. That was
a fun day at college football though.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Man. Yeah, well fun for some upsets. Man.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
It's USC week though.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Well it'd you feel like USC week got a lot
better if they came off a win, not a loss.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
How are you feeling about that game, about the game
that just happened.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Going into a.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Little early early preview of US.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I would love to hear how you felt about what happened. Like,
I know you talked about the mishaps. But I mean
that was I watched a lot of that game. That
was an interesting game. What was your takeaway on it?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I thought they just got physically beat I mean they
got out schemed. I thought defensively, Ron English, by the way,
the DC for Louisville, He's been with Brahm for a while.
I've always respected and loved the way he's called defense.
You know, like if you looked at this strand of
the Notre Dame offensive line, it's the tackles and really
experience at center. But our guards are both younger, and
so what do you do when you want to try
(27:07):
to create mismatches up front? You get in those bear fronts.
We're going to cover up the center in both guards,
and you create one on ones. And you could do
that with linebacker, with a defensive tackle, whoever you want.
That's essentially what they did, and they were able to
apply pressure and force Sam Harmon to get uncomfortable in
the pocket, force them to move in the pocket. I thought,
(27:30):
you know, they made plays and they needed to. The
pick early kind of stymied a little momentum, you know,
early in the game, and then I think Notre Dame
was almost hesitant at.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Times to take shots downfield. I will say this though.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
One of the cooler stories to me is I helped
out coaching a team down here called Pine Crest, and
there was the quarterback that we have was a really
really talented lacrosse player, but really talented quarterback too, And
I called up to their Notre Dame football office and
I said, hey, are we recruiting this kid? Like, what's
what's the story? Really high academic young man. We ran
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the wing tea, which I'm not sure why they brought
me in.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
The coach. I was like, hey, I ran a little midline,
little speed option. That's about it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I'm not gonna able to help you much with wing tea,
but just from being around the young man, you could
tell like, this is the type of kid you want
to marry your daughter, Like upstanding young man, tremendous athlete,
and you knew like he could play something if you
wanted to play football, Like.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He's that good of a player. And so they, you know,
the football.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Office got back there like, well, I think a recruiter
recruiting for lacrosse.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
He's a really really good lacrosse player.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I said, yeah, I go, well, he's gonna end up
playing and starting for you at some point if you
offer him or get him there for football. So I said,
I don't know how, you guys need to figure it out,
but talk to the lacrosse coach and figure out how
to get this guy up there, because I think he
wants to play both if he has the opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Come to Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
And so sure enough, you know, the lacrosse team offer
him a scholarship. Notre Dame en up obviously having him
walk on the football team as well, and he was
the wide receiver that caught the touchdown. As a true freshman,
he's a walk on. He will eventually be on scholarship,
but he's already on scholarship for lacrosse. But it was
just kind of a cool moment to you know, a
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young man, you kind of coach, you've been around, and
then seeing him succeed. He's now playing wide receiver for them,
and I'm watching because he had a catch earlier in
the drive they had the touchdown catch, I'm like, why
are they going away from him?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Like, get back to throwing to him.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That get has great hands, doesn't drop passes, He's really twitchy,
really fast, and so that was like the bright spot of.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
The night for me. But then after that it just
went downhill.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I mean physically, I don't know that they were up
for the challenge of what that was. Again, like that
was three weeks in a row in primetime you played,
you know, really physical teams, and I just thought, you know,
the way Louisville was able to run the football, Joe
Ward Jordan, their running backs outstanding, He's got a burst,
like you kind of saw that, and the way they
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kind of schemes some things up defensively, I think it
made it just a rough night all the way around.
And it was a bad night not to have, you know,
your a game, and that's essentially what it was. Louisville.
Give them all the credit in the world, Jeff Bram's
staff and Notre Dame. Just they almost seem like tired.
They almost seemed like they were just exhausted of constantly,
you know, planet the lights in that spotlight against another
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top twenty five team for the third straight week.
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
It was a big win for the New York Jets,
who get some revenge the Sean Payton comments before the
season about Nathaniel Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett now the offensive coordinator.
It was a game that we were looking forward to
after the comments were made. Although Aaron Rodgers wasn't there,
it was Zach Wilson in company getting it done for
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the New York Jets. And afterwards, Robert Sala made sure
to point out who this game ball was for. Let's
take a listen, how about offense.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I got one game ball watch you guys. Know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's an honor to be with you guys watching that
defense go out there.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Sack him get turnovers.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It's abster beautiful watching his offense. One then it was
only the beginning. We all could get better.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I just appreciate all you man, especially as I get
to know you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, everybody loves that guy, like this is not just
a Rogers thing. Everybody loves Nathaniel.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I thought what was most interesting about those comments was
what he led off with. I mean, Robert Salah is
giving him praise and appreciation because of what was said
in the offseason by Sean Payton. But if you listen
to what he first acknowledged, it was the defense and
sacking that guy is what he said, which kinda is
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interesting because I mean, I don't know how Russell and
Hackett's relationship was, but kind of lends you to think
that maybe there's a lot more there between those two
and what did or didn't get you know, if they
didn't get along, because the highlight to me was Breece Hall,
I mean the way he toted that rock. I know
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the Denver's defense has struggled this year. I mean they
make everyone look good, but one hundred and seventy seven
yards out of Tuddy and that sort of you know
game in the NFL. That's still something, but that wasn't
what Nathaniel Hackett led off with. So I just kind
of feel like there is probably a lot more there
to the relationship between him and Russell Wilson then we've
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heard on the outside, and maybe that's why he led
off with what he said the way he said it.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, because the Hackett was the fall guy. He was
the one who had to go.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, but there's more than just that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I mean, we you knew, based on the contract and
the trade to get Russell Wilson, they couldn't move on
from him after one year, So that's that's It's not
the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
There's more there.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
There were clearly some you know, as far as maybe why,
you know, because he took the blame him that it
wasn't all on him, And maybe we're starting to see
that a little bit with how things are playing on Denver.
You know, maybe that was why he said what he said.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
You know what I'm on.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I tell y'all if y'all see my notes, y'all know
what I'm on. I'm wondering, can Denver be so bad
that they let Sean Payton go in one season? Because
it's possible that they could be that bad just seeing
the sample size of what we've seen so far, my estimation,
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it's so bad that it could be that bad in
my estimation. Now, I'm not calling for no one's job,
It's not what I do. But we have seen a
trend where coaches can lose their gig in one season.
And I mean, need I say those seasons looked a
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lot like how this one? Like, Okay, we're talking about
the award, Hackett getting getting the award, getting the game ball.
Everybody loves them, this, that and the other. Was it
worse than this when he was there? Was it worse?
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I don't know, isn't debatable?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, I guess you could say that. I mean, I
and also because I think people assumed, well, if you
got rid of the coach and you bring in Sean Payton,
they're going to fix everything, and they it just doesn't
look anywhere close to what anybody thought they'd be.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And how much better does it look? How much better
does it look? I'll say this much.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, Russell Wilson's played a lot better than how
he looked last year. And I think the difference is,
you know, you know, you've got a different guy in
they're calling the plays a different head coach's offensive mind.
The problem with Dever's not their offense, it's largely their defense.
I mean their defense is atrocious right now. I mean, seriously,
(35:49):
everyone has been able to put up, you know, points
and scores. Like, if anyone's going to take the fall,
it's probably gonna be Vance Joseph.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I was going to say, does he make it through
the season.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like, I don't think he does it this rate.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I mean, they have looked awful and they have no
answers whatsoever. I mean, you're talking about a defense that
gave up seventy points. Seventy points. They are dead last
in almost every single category, I mean, points, yards, bottom half,
and red zone percentage, like surprising somehow they're like bottom
(36:23):
half and third down but not as bad as you'd think,
but they are. I mean, it's just awful. The big
plays everything else. So unfortunately, like if there's going to
be a fall guy, it's probably going to be Advanced
Joseph initially, and then we'll see who survives based on
how the rest of the season turns out. And it's
not like things get any easier. They play Kansas City
(36:44):
in Kansas City this week.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's just what you know, what we need to get right.
We need a short week at Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
You know what the worst part is, they got to
play them two weeks after that, Like literally, if you
by week comes at week nine, they've got to play
and between now and then Kansas City twice and then
they've got to play Green Bay in between. Granted at
at home, so maybe that's a little more winnable. They
might be a one win team going into the bye.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
And then out of the buy they're at Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Okay, so you get rid of you get rid of
the defensive coordinator at the bye.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I mean that at least you have time to prepare
whoever the next man up is.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay, so then if the next man and by.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
The way, the worst part is like the way their
schedule finishes, they go back to back to back on.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
The road versus Houston.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It looks a lot better, we thought the Chargers, who
are tough Detroit, who's the top DYNFC North.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I mean for the last six weeks, they might not.
They might win what two three games?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, I mean it depending on how this whole thing
turns out.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
But the way their defense is playing. Yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
As of right now, they're projected to get the number
three pick in the draft. If they're picking that high,
you're going QB, right, try and get younger.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
What if pets? Who's there, pets, who's ahead of you
and who's picking?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
I mean, you don't want to force yourself into into
taking a QB that you don't love.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I take that that spot.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
I mean you're saying Russ is playing well, so why
would they be looking to get a QB at three?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, he's playing better, but it's not like he's lighting
the league on fire.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
He's not doing that bad either though.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's they just feel like And I wonder at what
point if part of Sean Payton airing out and at
the Annuel Hackett and just voicing his frustration, I wonder
at what point he realized, uh oh that maybe this
isn't this isn't what I thought it was. And I
would not be surprised if Sean Payton decides to walk
away from the gig, Like if he just said all right,
(38:49):
what yeah, if he just yeah, I would not be surprised.
Go do Go do broadcasts.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Ruined that it would be ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I mean, I just think he looks at it and
goes and maybe it's not fixable. Maybe I'm just saying
it would not It would not surprise me if he
decided I just I'm out come on.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I mean I could see him.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I could see him being candid and transparent enough to
say this was a harder, this was a bigger fix
than what I thought it was right. I could see
him doing that. But I don't I wouldn't see him
going to the extreme that you're you're saying.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I mean, it's not going to get any easier in
that division. I mean, thankfully you got the Raiders there.
You can provide some hope, you could get a couple
of wins, but you still got to deal with the Chargers.
You still got to deal with the Chiefs. I just
I don't see where there's room for them to grow
with what.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
He just quits. I mean, that's essentially what you're saying,
I can't win, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Of here, goes.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I mean, you do you do remember when he went
seven to nine for three straight years in New Orleans,
right like he just quit that. He was like, I
can't get over the hump, can't get this team back
where I needed to be, Like, you really wouldn't be
like that wouldn't shock you if you just said, oh yeah,
I'm out.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
No God, I think it's more likely for him to
fix Denver than Belichick to fix the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That actually is an interesting question. Who's worse off Denver
the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Patriots are?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think they might be too, That's how bad the
Patriots are. Thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
For starting over. Like, think about that, Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Stand that there are some really bad teams in the NFL.
There's really bad teams.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
I mean, for that for the Goat to be at
the stand the podium and be like starting over.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
By the way, did did you see the way that
Jets handled social media and all the stuff?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Oh did they send the.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Aaron Rodgers was out.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
There staying stuffs Gardner Like the Jets account sent a
picture of who is the character the actor who played
Sean Pain in that movie?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, Kevin James. Kevin James. They said out a little
tweet with that. They were active.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, they were just like they were this offseason, which
you know didn't matter this matchup.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
No, apparently Denver was the off season champs from about
their account.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, it seems like it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
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