October 11, 2023 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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the hell is going on in Carolina with David Tepper,
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How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday morning?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah? How would you feel in? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Stacked and checked? Yeah, got a whatever they call it?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Feeling good? What is it?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is it called a red eye? When you do an
espresso shot in a coffee? Is that what that's called?
I think it's called a red eye?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Black eye?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh? Did you say black guy?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Hey LeVar? Sorry about that, man, Yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You're welcome black.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Make you like it black, don't you?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So the Carolina Panthers, which normally you would think, well,
why are we starting a show with a winless football
team who is winless? But you know, the good news
is at least it's not like they're losing season. Is
you know, good to be all or not? Because that
first overall pit could potentially be the Carolina Panthers, which
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was just the end of going to the Chicago Bears
for the Bryce Young trade that took place in the
off season. And so Frank Reich, their head coach, was
talking about just sort of their struggles early on and
sort of his interactions with David Tepper, the owner of
the Carolina Panthers, who's got this new quarterback and he's
got this new head coach. And of course this coming
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after Carolina lost again against Detroit. They were significant underdogs,
but they did show some signs of life or at
least late in that game, but still lost pretty handedly.
And Frank Reich, the head coach of the Carolina Panthers,
spoke about those discussions that he has, these meetings that
he has with David Tepper, the owner, and a win
a little something like this.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
There's different philosophies in ownership, you know what I mean?
Some owners kind of stay stay away and don't engage.
A whole lot other owners do. And his philosophy is
he's going to engage and and listen. It's only been
a short experience, but it's been a really good experience.
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It hasn't been fun, you know, it's not fun. Those
those meetings aren't I wouldn't characterize them as fun meetings.
But those meetings make me better, and I trust they
make us better. Talk to them every week multiple times,
you know, usually talk either Monday or Tuesday after a game.
And you know, he's super competitive. He wants to bring
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a winner to Carolina's He's you know, once it now,
you know once it now, and pushes me and pushes
us to that end. He wants to do whatever it
takes and turn over every stone, churn it as much
as he has to to to produce winning football. So
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I appreciate those conversations. They're always very challenging. He's a
super competitive person and he's not gonna sit idly by.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So this is now? Is this head coach number two
for David Tepper in Carolina?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Matt Ruhle wasn't all that thrilled with sort of what
he was told the plan was, and then ultimately he
ended up being on the way out. And now Frank
Reich is five games in and he's having apparently weekly
meetings with David Tepper as to why they're zero and five.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know, there's there was a saying when when you
play a quarterback, you h you know, when you drop
back in the pocket, you want a hurry to get
back you you know, you want.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
To set that drop point.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You want to set the point at which the edge
rushers rushed to, and then you have a pocket to
step up into. But you don't want to be rushed, right.
You want to hurry, but you don't want to be rushed.
And the difference is that you want to make sure
that you take the proper depth. You take, you know,
the proper steps, right, if it's seven, you take seven,
not five.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All those sort of little things.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And I feel like that's a fair comparison to ownership
and an NFL team, and sometimes how especially new owners,
they want to rush to get the results. They want
to rush to brag to the billionaire friends, to show off.
That's honestly what a lot of these these teams are for.
These guys as much as they're competitive and they want
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to make you know, I have a winning college to
win a super Bowl, it's a trophy of sorts, right,
and they rush to try to find their assaults. And
they haven't built their wealth or income off of this
franchise or football or their acumen in the sport. Sometimes
these guys haven't even really played it. Now, I'm not
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necessarily saying that that's David Tepper, but it is in
some certain cases.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The reality is you can't rush this.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You just brought into coach and Matt Ruhle, who was
a program builder, and he himself said right away it
wasn't a good fit as soon as he got done
because of how fast they wanted to move on from
different players and the transactions. And you know, his comments
to me was like that just didn't fit my style.
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He's like, I needed more time, and there is no time,
there's no development. And that's why he wanted to go
back to college is he felt like that was a
better fit for how he coaches and how he sees
the game. And so you look at now with Frank Reich,
a guy who's played the game, he's been a head
coach before he understands how this works, how to build it,
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and in his first year with a rookie quarterback drafted
number one overall and plenty of holes this roster, he probably.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Realizes it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It's not gonna look good early, but you can build
up to what it should look like in the next two, three,
four years. But a guy like David Tepper, I don't
know if he wants to hear that. And this is
the second coach now that we've basically heard be like, Yeah,
the guy's really involved and he once results. Now it's
like that's great, But it's not as easy to turn
over and make into a contender right away.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Everyone seems to point to, you know, Joe Burla, Cincinnati Bengals,
Y're one. They weren't successful. Go look at Zach Taylor's
career win loss record. It took him a couple of
years before they got there. They had to supply him
Jamar Chase. This Carolina Panthers offense doesn't have Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They don't have a game breaker like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They're devoid of a lot of spots and they're still
building to get there. From what the previous you know,
head coach had put them in.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
You know what's dangerous about about this scenario is you
could end up getting a Jamar Chase type of player
in the draft. You can end up getting a gang
breaker on defense. You can end up getting a good
offensive lineman or two, you know, in the draft or
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and free agency. Here's where the danger of it is
is that temper one has to has to be cognizant
and aware of the environment that his presence creates. And
and what I mean by that is is he has
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to make sure that while it's perfectly fine for you
to want results from your investment, I would say, and
I don't know how he how he went about building
his you know, his financial empire in terms of his
philosophies and his approach. But a lot of times, you know, obviously,
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as you mentioned earlier, these teams are their their hobby.
They're they're not their money maker, they're not their soul,
you know, way of making money. I mean, there's very
few teams that where the legacy of it passed on
to a family and that's really what they do versus
they made their money doing something else and they purchased
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the team and when when you bring that competitive approach
or whatever it is that your approach was in how
you built your wealth, it sometimes maybe it does translate
into to what you you're doing in sports, but sometimes
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it doesn't. The way sports culture works is it's it's
very in a lot of ways, and people may not
like it, but in a lot of ways, it's a
family oriented thing, and it really does take having a
family oriented environment from the playing side of it more
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so than it being a business. Now, the unique balance
of it all is you still have to have business
involved with what you're doing, but it still needs to
feel like family if you're going to get your personnel
to do the things that it's going to take in
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order for the team to be successful. So the problem
here is, Okay, we see what he did with Matt Rule.
He didn't like the way things got off. You know,
in terms of Matt Rule's start, he gets rid of him.
He brings in, Right, you're on coach number two and
you're in year what you're in year three as an.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Owner, I want to say three or four or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Three or four, which isn't horribly it's not horribly, but
I'll just give you an example. All Right, I played
in Washington. Dan Snyder purchased the team, took over the
team in ninety nine. I was his very first draft pick.
So he gets the number two and three overall draft
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pick in the draft. So he gets LeVar Arrington number two.
He gets Chris Samuels number three, both Pro Bowl players,
both All pros. He already had Champ Bailey on that team.
He already had leadership in guys like Darryl Green on
that team. You had Brad Johnson, so you had a
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quarterback on that team. You had a pretty good offensive line.
You already had John Jansen from a prior draft at
your right tackle. You added Chris Samuels to your left tackle.
You have Steven Davis in your backfield. You have the
makings of First of all, they were a playoff team,
but you had the makings of a competitive team moving forward.
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That aggressive that aggressive style that Dan Snyder brought led
to him bringing in Dion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier.
He brought in a flunk of dudes Jeff George who
ended up starting for the team. And it seemed as
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though it was like kind of like the right approach,
maybe because you were loading up with some really good guys.
I mean, some would say they were past their primes,
but they they did get some productive years. But I
think the point was is that, you know, he looked
at what we had and he wanted to win right now.
It did not it did not compute or calculate to
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Dan Snyder that it's going to take time to build
a winner. Built the cohesiveness, built that that family, vibe
that environment and let people come together and it become
you know, everybody's pulling the same direction for a lot
of the same reasons. So Boom he hired. He fires
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north Turner after we lose to Dallas, like literally fired
him after the game. So then we had what's that reasonable? Okay,
I guess. Then Terry Rbisky takes over. All right, so
it's like, okay, Terry Ribisky did a pretty pretty good
job that he deserved to be the head coach after
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I don't know. But but then he hires he hires
Marty Schottenheimer. He felt like we needed discipline, We needed
a tough, heart nosed coach because he thought we were
soft in so many ways. We need a structure. That's
what Marty brought to that team. So now you bring
a guy who's hard nosed, Marty Ball. He has discipline
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for it, for everything that's going on. And he didn't
like how how Marty ran the team because he didn't
fel like he had enough of us say so that
he gets rid of Marty after one year.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So now we move on. We move on to Coach Burrier.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Coach Burrier is the total antithesis of Marty Schottenheimer, very
very laid back, not not aggressive, not in your face.
I think he got what two years in before they
got rid of him. I had more head coaches by
my third year in the league than I did than
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I did years in the league. And as a as
a player who went through that type of situation where
you kept changing coaches because you felt like you needed
to have the results right now from the coaches that
you were hiring, it creates a It creates a mercenary
approach for the players because now you've gotten two or
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three coaches removed.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
From your guy.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I'm no longer after two thousand with Norv I'm no
longer the next coaches guy. Right, And every single time
you change a coach, you now take away the idea
of this group brought in this group of guys, and
so now you're creating a whole different type of dynamic.
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It gets very complicated. But you, like you said, you
got to give time because if you don't give time,
you are going to create so many cracks and so
many you know, kind of disconnects that you have mercenaries
in your locker room. You don't have a team. You
don't have guys that care about one another, that develop
a love and a genuine trust and like for one another.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have mercenaries.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
You get paid, you do your job, and generally speaking,
those teams most likely will always lose to.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The teams that have love for one another. How I
see it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I just wanted to is there anybody that could pull
David Tepper aside and be like, hey, so you guys
stink like you're just not a good team. And it's
part of the development and part of the growth. And
what comes with not having a weapon or enough around
Bryce Young is the fact that you gave up one
in DJ Moore to get him. That's how this works.
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You've got to give up something to get something in
the NFL if you're going to make a trade like that,
and on the back end of that, you're gonna have
to wear it for a little bit. And it's almost
like that that part of it doesn't doesn't add up
to him, Like that part of it is like no, no,
no, no no. I gave Matt rule a seven year deal.
I expect results. And Matt Ruhle says, yeah, I mean
I was told this is we had a plan in place,
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and apparently we don't have a plan in place. And
then you know, Bryce Young's our guy. We're going to
get our guy. We're going to be aggressive, and now
you know, five games in, he's asking Frank Reich what
the problem is, and Frank Reich's like, well, yeah, yeah,
part of that deal was, yeah, we got our quarterback,
but there's gonna be some things that are missing around him.
And it's almost like he doesn't like that.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Part of it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Does It doesn't compute, like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
What they don't understand can turn out to be the
detriment of a franchise, depending on how far that goes
of not understanding that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I don't know. It's just, you know, it's complicated, Brady.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You saw a couple of weeks ago. I mean, they're
pretty far off, like yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I mean, look, they lost their starting left guard who's
a rookie to what was at the time looked like
a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He had to be taking the hospital, so that didn't help.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They've had issues on the offensive line ikey akwand who
is still working in the left tackle spot.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You go back to the Dj Moore decision.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
DJ Moore is viewed obviously by Chicago as a number
one by the previous staff in Chicago, or excuse me,
in Carolina as a number one, and I guess the
Carolina Panthers were willing to move on in order to
make that sort of trade. The problem is when you
bring in Felan. Felan was never a number one in Minnesota.
He had some amazing years there. He was awesome as
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a number two there. But Minnesota was willing to move
on because they knew they had to save room for
Justin Jefferson, who is their number one. Granted hurt right
right now, but at one point was leading the league
of receiving yards this season. So you know, clearly there's
I think just a misunderstanding as to you know, maybe
David Temper understanding how you build a roster.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know, there's the game has changed.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You can look at the New England Patriots and the
way they've built their roster and say, this isn't the
early two thousands. You have to have difference makers a
wide receiver, and they don't have that right now. So yeah,
Bryce Young has comes off his best game in a
tough loss to Detroit. But the truth is is he's
going to have to be the hero every single week
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and you know, throwing for a bunch of yards, put
up a lot of production because they just don't have
the ability to ultimately compete with the roster as it
currently stands.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
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England Patriots are a bad football team and they've been
outscored seventy two to three the last two weeks. And
Mac Jones has watched the final concludion or the conclusion
of that game both games rather from the bench as
they make a move and bring in Bailey Zappy and
so of course Bill O'Brien, their offensive coordinator, who's there
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Back in New England. He had to speak to the
media yesterday and was asked about whether or not mac
Jones will continue to be the starter as they're trying
to figure things out on offense there with the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
You anticipate Mac beings started this on it, I do
so you don't believe that maybe just a mental break
after the last two weeks might be something.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That could bet in that. No, there's no time for
mental breaks.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Those are on your days off. I guess you can
take a little mental break, but it's the grind of
the season. You know, in order to be in this league,
as a coach, as a player, as anybody in this league,
you have to be mentally tough.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's a grind.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
There's a grind that goes to the league, and it's
a seventeen week grind, and you know, we all have
to be mentally tough. You know, the sun came up
today and we're going to practice and today and we're
gonna you know, get after it and be fundamentally sound
today and see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
One day at a time.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Man, it seems like a fun place to be right now,
just a good time.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I told you man, that coaching staff, any of the
staffs that you know that have come from New England,
they grind, they sleep at.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The office, they don't shower.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They're looking all dingy, like they're like stains on their
shirts and stuff they didn't get I wish. I mean,
trust me, I'd take a bar with me everywhere I go.
I don't trust the soap of any hotel I stand
besides graduate hotels. But outside of that, it's just it's miserable,
even when you are winning and you're a part of
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one of those you know, I guess organizations that do
it the New England way, and I've heard countless times
how you know, how that's how it has to be done,
like that's the only way it can be done, which
isn't true. But that they see the success of Bill
Belichick and that's what everyone emulates. But in this case
you now find Bill O'Brien have to answer questions about
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his quarterback because of how poorly they've played the past
two weeks and really the entire season. But much like Carolina,
this team's missing any sort of playmakers. Now they do
get Taekwon Thornton back, their second round pick from Baylor
from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who's he's got a lead speed. He could take the
top off the defense.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And that's one of those picks that they're still waiting
to have the impact they thought he would have. But
but I feel for Matt because, you know, outside of
the fact that their defense has played well to keep
them in games, they just have no firepower. You know,
this is this is not a league now where you
can win by scoring a few points unless you've got
the Pittsburgh Steelers defense.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But outside of that, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Really really hard to win week in week out if
you can't put up a lot of points and create
a lot of big plays.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's almost like New England's.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Trying to, you know, make sure they have a twelve
play drive every time for a touchdown. Which how many
teams do that on a consistent basis anymore in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not a lot, not many.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, here's my take on it, and it's a take
with kind of a question, all right, how many times
have we heard well, I guess it might be a
couple questions how many times have we heard Bill Belichick
say to the media and to the public, We're going
to start over.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We're going to start over.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I can't recall ever hearing him say that, and if
he did, I missed it, so sorry. If you guys
were going to correct me and maybe heard it, then
I would say, okay, then let's maybe do a comparison.
But I have heard it, and for someone of the
caliber and standard of coach that Bill Belichick is, for
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him to say start over at this moment in time,
I think that says a whole lot about where this
team is as a whole, and whether Mac Jones takes
the rap for what this season will be or not.
I think the whole team has been put out there,
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and the whole team and even coaches have been put
out there and have been put on notice by a
statement as definitive as starting over. So now my question
to you guys would be, they have a team, a
two win team, and a team that isn't very good
all intensive purposes. They they look decent in this last game.
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They look decently competitive. Max Crosby's a beast, Jimmy Garoppolo
came back. You know, they they won the game the Raiders,
but you if you were to lose to a two
win teams as the New England Patriots. At first I
thought to myself, is that like, how how is that
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interpreted by the fan base? How is that interpreted by Craft?
The ownership? How is it interpreted? But when you have
a coach that of his reputation and his resume and
his credibility, as I continue to hear you guys say,
he'll be able to leave on his own terms, then
just like we had the conversation last last segment about
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an owner that maybe doesn't fully understand yet what it
takes to have a winner in the National Football League Craft,
does Craft understands it completely?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And I just wonder.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Does the focus truly just stay on Mac Jones for
the rest of the entirety of this season as they struggle,
or does it become what does the startover process look like?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
What does that consist of? Are we going to be
able to see that what that startover means? Does that
mean that the play calling turns into something different? Doesn't
mean that they use different personnel and try to figure out,
you know, with no name players or players we're not
used to hearing about or seeing in the lineup being
in the lineup? What exactly does starting over mean at
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this point?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And and is that that was the days ago? Right?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Wasn't that the comedy made like two days ago? Yeah,
three days ago? Now, I mean that's kind of old news.
But look, it doesn't really matter what starting over means.
I mean, they got a game to play, right, They've
they've got to figure out how to try to get
a win, because we all know in the NFL, like
you get a win, it changes everything, like it changes
the demeanor, changed how people are talking, and then you
finally get that that sense.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Of what you need to do moving forward.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So only people behind closed doors know what that means
and why he said what he said referring to Bill Belichick.
But the reality is like, like, they've got a game
to play this week. There, it's Wednesday, They're in the
of their game prep. I don't think it really matters
what it means. Ultimately matters if they can get any
results to get things going back in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, but I would throw this back at you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It has to mean something in this regard if you
lose to if you're losing, if you lose to the Raiders, Like,
of course, you have a game to play, and you
got to prepare for the game because you do have
to go through the season. But I think it makes
it more digestible as a fan base that somebody of
Bill Belichick's stature saying we're starting over, That to me,
(27:33):
is put out there and that's now ingrained in the
minds of your right base.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Right We've talked about it days.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I think that what I'm trying to point out is,
you know, we heard a clip that was in Bill Belichick,
that was Bill O'Brien, And I think the interesting thing
is now Bill Belichick, regardless of what happens after the season,
you think he's on the hot seat to make it canned.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It now comes down to Mac Jones what happens with him,
because he's ultimately the guy that they're going to point
the finger at first, and he's ultimately the guy that's gonna,
unfortunately face whatever consequences are coming the Patriots way for
their lack of success. So whatever starting over means, all right, Again,
we've touched on that the past two days, you know,
from our notes and show prep like what I'm looking
(28:15):
at now is how does Mac Jones receive you know
what Bill O'Brien's saying where he's given a vote of
confidence for this week, But the fact that you've got
to talk about it, I mean, that's that's more of
the issue moving forward. Is is it going to be
Mac Jones the rest of the way if they don't
start picking things up, or is it going to be
Bailey Zappi moving forward and then the Patriots basically looking
(28:36):
on the next year's draft.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It's going to be the fact that it comes up
my bed for Jonas, but it also came up in
the interview in terms of mental you know, rest having
rest or whatever the reporter. I think that both both
O'Brien and mac Jones again, and that's why I feel
(28:58):
like it is a relevant topic, even though he's said
it two days ago. I think that it's relative post game, right, Yeah,
it was post game yea. So it's Tuesday right now, yes,
so it is Wednesday, so yeah, so it'll be day three,
Oh it is day I just I find the relevance
of everything will resonate from that, Like, don't you wouldn't
(29:19):
you believe that hearing what Bill O'Brien has to say
hearing what what they're planning on and what the performances
look like from here on out is going to derive
from that type of a statement. So Bill O'Brien is
just as much on you know, on mode in terms
of what he has to do and how he's preparing,
and and so is Mac Jones. Like now that might
(29:40):
be more of an out an external type of thing
and not internal. They know what what's going on internally,
I would assume.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But I just for me, I I'm correlating. I am correlating.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I don't think that that dies on the vine and
it's like, okay, one thing doesn't lead to the next.
I think the way Bill O'Brien handled what he had
to saying is his presser and what he said has
everything to do with what the tone becomes once your
head coach sets that type of tone. Saying that in
a postgame press conference, like, I don't think that was
just lip service.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I just saw.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think everybody's on notice.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I don't think anybody there is used to this because
it's been twenty plus years of excellence and super bowls.
They've had two losing seasons since two thousand and they
you know, one was a seven to nine, one was
an eight and nine, So it's not like they were awful.
I think this is the first time for everybody there,
including Mac Jones who comes from Alabama and Bill O'Brien
was at Alabama. It's the first time they're looking around going,
(30:35):
oh god, we're on a bad football team. And I
think everybody's just trying to figure this out and look
for answers.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's that's But like I said, I mean, the more
immediate concern is and the more immediate change is going
to be Matt Jones. Like that's that's who the foing
finger gets pointed to. They're not going to move on
from Bill Belichick in the season, They're not going to
move on from Bill O'Brien, who just got thirs offensive coordinator.
It's Mac Jones because last year when they started that
whole quarterback potential controversy with Bailey Zappi, and it's always
(31:03):
the head coaching quarterback, but in this case, it's gonna
be Mac Jones because they haven't had any offensive production
the last two weeks, in particular, I mean they've struggled
to score ten points. They didn't even score ten this
past week versus New Orleans, so you kind of look
at it, or excuse me, they didn't score any points.
You look at it and it's like they can't even
be competitive if they can't put up any points so
(31:25):
far this year. And the person who's gonna take the
blame Firsus mac Jones. And then once Bailey Zappi goes
in there and whatever happens happens, you know, then they're
going to point to someone else. But at some point,
you know, the whole starting over thing doesn't matter. That
comes down to Robert Kraft. He wants to start over
after the season, depending on the decision that he wants
to make or the decision that Bill Belichick wants to make.
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Speaker 9 (33:36):
Good morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good
morning LeVar.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
In case you didn't know, Ohio State is taking on
Purdue this Saturday, and an Ohio businessman business owner has
grown frustrated with the Big Tens deal with Peacock because
his bar, Gresso's.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
He has told his customers.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
He is not willing to pay for the Peacock subscription,
saying the costs are too high. It's six hundred and
ninety nine dollars plus times a twelve month commitment per TV,
which is twenty six TVs, which comes up to twenty
thousand dollars, letting his customers know he will not be
broadcasting the game even though he is the biggest OSU fan.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, I've got a solution for the SOSU fan, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You put up a bed, you put up may make
sure there's a nice little bathroom there for yourself, and
don't go for that commercial package. Go for the residential
and just say, hey, that's your house, it's your home
that you live there. Yeah, you just happen to have
twenty six different TVs. So maybe you could get skirt
around the issue that way. Or I know someone named
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last name, Knox, first name and.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Begins the Jay point.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
He will go and he will put up rabbit ears
and try to steal from someone else's feed or antenna
or internet to be able to receive peacock.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean the prices that they charge her businesses, my
brother's restaurant, what he had to pay for because they
do it by capacity is Lead pointed out. What he
had to pay for a Sunday ticket this year was astonishing.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you know what, I don't know why that is.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, they charged by capacity.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But then also because Nielsen now rates hotels, bars, et cetera,
they didn't used to. I think over the past what
three four years, Lead like some of that changed, where
now Nielsen actually has ratings that include bars and hotels
and public spaces like that, where before it was just
really the at home viewership.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So now they've got.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
What they believe to be a little bit better data,
and a lot of the networks and streaming services feel
like they can go back and assuredly charge them a
premium for their product because they feel like these businesses
should be able to earn it back with that capacity
in those customers.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And the NFL and college football have got us by
the balls because you almost have to get it, like
I know what they're trying to do Atgresso's, which, by
the way, a uh, you know, it's about eight minute
eight minute drive from the Graduate in Columbus. Just want
to point that out.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Is it really yeah, you know, state minutes away, a
couple of miles. Is it an Ohio State bar?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, I'm assuming it's in Columbus.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes, sing every bar that's in Columbus is an Ohio
State bar.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It better be.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I mean it's not the Varsity Club, I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What's the Urban's bar called Urban Myers Place? What's it
called like the Pinouse Urbans Pine House? Yeah, that's not
on campus, Okay.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
He says most of his employees are Ohio State employees.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Employees are One thing we do is customers.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
And I mean, if it wasn't the Ohio State Bar,
say just get it for one TV or like get
it for like two TVs.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
Oh and he does call it a buck Eye Nation bar.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Actually, as I read, well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
You can't call yourself a bar if you're not playing
buck out.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yea, you probably should just pony up and get the
you know, just at you know, charge fifty cents extra
for Tator Todds, you know, just something like that. Let's
go live to our I bought Peacock and didn't watch
it insideer Iowa say, saying that is true. I got
a subscription to Peacock. It was only six dollars though,
for a month, and then I, uh, you decided to
do a white a little because you're too hungover too much?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Can we go back over that math? So they're charging
them six ninety nine Is that a month?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
No, six hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Not sixty six hundred ninet nine.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
I don't get that. It's six dollars for me because
you're a residential. But that's like time, so much.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Okay, Sam, not much time? What was at least six.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Hundred ninety nine times a twelve month commitment per TV
twenty six TVs comes up to yeah, twenty thousand dollars
just over.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, I mean, but hey, the price you pay drive
for a year, you know, I can't go by month, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's how you got to business, which it makes that
source of decision.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well, listen, start charging you know, forty eight dollars or
a Miller Lite. See see how that lands with some
of those people.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I think you just you figure out a way of
of you know, streaming it from someone's like residential account
on like three TVs you don't pay.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
For if you get caught.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
That's Don King had famously sued a Northern Indiana bar
for doing a Mike Tyson fight. Nowadays, you could do airplay,
which I'm sure you'd get sued for as well, but
you know where you could just like what's.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
The fine though, I mean, is it twenty thousand worth?
Because that's essentially what you're looking at here.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Prison time, Yeah, well you've been a prison but keep saying,
hey can you go can you go to prison for
illegally streaming an Ohio State game? That's that's called commitment
to me.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Would you be the biggest Buckeye fan ever. You're the
man of the people. Yeah, that's Buckey Nation right there.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
What you tell Ryan Data pay for it then
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How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday morning?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah? How would you feel in? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Stacked and checked? Yeah, got a whatever they call it?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Feeling good? What is it?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is it called a red eye? When you do an
espresso shot in a coffee? Is that what that's called?
I think it's called a red eye?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Black eye?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh? Did you say black guy?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Hey LeVar? Sorry about that, man, Yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You're welcome black.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Make you like it black, don't you?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So the Carolina Panthers, which normally you would think, well,
why are we starting a show with a winless football
team who is winless? But you know, the good news
is at least it's not like they're losing season. Is
you know, good to be all or not? Because that
first overall pit could potentially be the Carolina Panthers, which
(02:28):
was just the end of going to the Chicago Bears
for the Bryce Young trade that took place in the
off season. And so Frank Reich, their head coach, was
talking about just sort of their struggles early on and
sort of his interactions with David Tepper, the owner of
the Carolina Panthers, who's got this new quarterback and he's
got this new head coach. And of course this coming
(02:48):
after Carolina lost again against Detroit. They were significant underdogs,
but they did show some signs of life or at
least late in that game, but still lost pretty handedly.
And Frank Reich, the head coach of the Carolina Panthers,
spoke about those discussions that he has, these meetings that
he has with David Tepper, the owner, and a win
a little something like this.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
There's different philosophies in ownership, you know what I mean?
Some owners kind of stay stay away and don't engage.
A whole lot other owners do. And his philosophy is
he's going to engage and and listen. It's only been
a short experience, but it's been a really good experience.
(03:32):
It hasn't been fun, you know, it's not fun. Those
those meetings aren't I wouldn't characterize them as fun meetings.
But those meetings make me better, and I trust they
make us better. Talk to them every week multiple times,
you know, usually talk either Monday or Tuesday after a game.
And you know, he's super competitive. He wants to bring
(03:56):
a winner to Carolina's He's you know, once it now,
you know once it now, and pushes me and pushes
us to that end. He wants to do whatever it
takes and turn over every stone, churn it as much
as he has to to to produce winning football. So
(04:17):
I appreciate those conversations. They're always very challenging. He's a
super competitive person and he's not gonna sit idly by.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So this is now? Is this head coach number two
for David Tepper in Carolina?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Matt Ruhle wasn't all that thrilled with sort of what
he was told the plan was, and then ultimately he
ended up being on the way out. And now Frank
Reich is five games in and he's having apparently weekly
meetings with David Tepper as to why they're zero and five.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know, there's there was a saying when when you
play a quarterback, you h you know, when you drop
back in the pocket, you want a hurry to get
back you you know, you want.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
To set that drop point.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You want to set the point at which the edge
rushers rushed to, and then you have a pocket to
step up into. But you don't want to be rushed, right.
You want to hurry, but you don't want to be rushed.
And the difference is that you want to make sure
that you take the proper depth. You take, you know,
the proper steps, right, if it's seven, you take seven,
not five.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All those sort of little things.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And I feel like that's a fair comparison to ownership
and an NFL team, and sometimes how especially new owners,
they want to rush to get the results. They want
to rush to brag to the billionaire friends, to show off.
That's honestly what a lot of these these teams are for.
These guys as much as they're competitive and they want
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to make you know, I have a winning college to
win a super Bowl, it's a trophy of sorts, right,
and they rush to try to find their assaults. And
they haven't built their wealth or income off of this
franchise or football or their acumen in the sport. Sometimes
these guys haven't even really played it. Now, I'm not
(06:08):
necessarily saying that that's David Tepper, but it is in
some certain cases.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
The reality is you can't rush this.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You just brought into coach and Matt Ruhle, who was
a program builder, and he himself said right away it
wasn't a good fit as soon as he got done
because of how fast they wanted to move on from
different players and the transactions. And you know, his comments
to me was like that just didn't fit my style.
(06:36):
He's like, I needed more time, and there is no time,
there's no development. And that's why he wanted to go
back to college is he felt like that was a
better fit for how he coaches and how he sees
the game. And so you look at now with Frank Reich,
a guy who's played the game, he's been a head
coach before he understands how this works, how to build it,
(06:58):
and in his first year with a rookie quarterback drafted
number one overall and plenty of holes this roster, he probably.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Realizes it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It's not gonna look good early, but you can build
up to what it should look like in the next two, three,
four years. But a guy like David Tepper, I don't
know if he wants to hear that. And this is
the second coach now that we've basically heard be like, Yeah,
the guy's really involved and he once results. Now it's
like that's great, But it's not as easy to turn
over and make into a contender right away.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Everyone seems to point to, you know, Joe Burla, Cincinnati Bengals,
Y're one. They weren't successful. Go look at Zach Taylor's
career win loss record. It took him a couple of
years before they got there. They had to supply him
Jamar Chase. This Carolina Panthers offense doesn't have Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They don't have a game breaker like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They're devoid of a lot of spots and they're still
building to get there. From what the previous you know,
head coach had put them in.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
You know what's dangerous about about this scenario is you
could end up getting a Jamar Chase type of player
in the draft. You can end up getting a gang
breaker on defense. You can end up getting a good
offensive lineman or two, you know, in the draft or
(08:20):
and free agency. Here's where the danger of it is
is that temper one has to has to be cognizant
and aware of the environment that his presence creates. And
and what I mean by that is is he has
(08:41):
to make sure that while it's perfectly fine for you
to want results from your investment, I would say, and
I don't know how he how he went about building
his you know, his financial empire in terms of his
philosophies and his approach. But a lot of times, you know, obviously,
(09:03):
as you mentioned earlier, these teams are their their hobby.
They're they're not their money maker, they're not their soul,
you know, way of making money. I mean, there's very
few teams that where the legacy of it passed on
to a family and that's really what they do versus
they made their money doing something else and they purchased
(09:24):
the team and when when you bring that competitive approach
or whatever it is that your approach was in how
you built your wealth, it sometimes maybe it does translate
into to what you you're doing in sports, but sometimes
(09:46):
it doesn't. The way sports culture works is it's it's
very in a lot of ways, and people may not
like it, but in a lot of ways, it's a
family oriented thing, and it really does take having a
family oriented environment from the playing side of it more
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so than it being a business. Now, the unique balance
of it all is you still have to have business
involved with what you're doing, but it still needs to
feel like family if you're going to get your personnel
to do the things that it's going to take in
(10:31):
order for the team to be successful. So the problem
here is, Okay, we see what he did with Matt Rule.
He didn't like the way things got off. You know,
in terms of Matt Rule's start, he gets rid of him.
He brings in, Right, you're on coach number two and
you're in year what you're in year three as an.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Owner, I want to say three or four or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Three or four, which isn't horribly it's not horribly, but
I'll just give you an example. All Right, I played
in Washington. Dan Snyder purchased the team, took over the
team in ninety nine. I was his very first draft pick.
So he gets the number two and three overall draft
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pick in the draft. So he gets LeVar Arrington number two.
He gets Chris Samuels number three, both Pro Bowl players,
both All pros. He already had Champ Bailey on that team.
He already had leadership in guys like Darryl Green on
that team. You had Brad Johnson, so you had a
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quarterback on that team. You had a pretty good offensive line.
You already had John Jansen from a prior draft at
your right tackle. You added Chris Samuels to your left tackle.
You have Steven Davis in your backfield. You have the
makings of First of all, they were a playoff team,
but you had the makings of a competitive team moving forward.
(12:03):
That aggressive that aggressive style that Dan Snyder brought led
to him bringing in Dion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier.
He brought in a flunk of dudes Jeff George who
ended up starting for the team. And it seemed as
(12:24):
though it was like kind of like the right approach,
maybe because you were loading up with some really good guys.
I mean, some would say they were past their primes,
but they they did get some productive years. But I
think the point was is that, you know, he looked
at what we had and he wanted to win right now.
It did not it did not compute or calculate to
(12:48):
Dan Snyder that it's going to take time to build
a winner. Built the cohesiveness, built that that family, vibe
that environment and let people come together and it become
you know, everybody's pulling the same direction for a lot
of the same reasons. So Boom he hired. He fires
(13:09):
north Turner after we lose to Dallas, like literally fired
him after the game. So then we had what's that reasonable? Okay,
I guess. Then Terry Rbisky takes over. All right, so
it's like, okay, Terry Ribisky did a pretty pretty good
job that he deserved to be the head coach after
(13:30):
I don't know. But but then he hires he hires
Marty Schottenheimer. He felt like we needed discipline, We needed
a tough, heart nosed coach because he thought we were
soft in so many ways. We need a structure. That's
what Marty brought to that team. So now you bring
a guy who's hard nosed, Marty Ball. He has discipline
(13:52):
for it, for everything that's going on. And he didn't
like how how Marty ran the team because he didn't
fel like he had enough of us say so that
he gets rid of Marty after one year.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So now we move on. We move on to Coach Burrier.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Coach Burrier is the total antithesis of Marty Schottenheimer, very
very laid back, not not aggressive, not in your face.
I think he got what two years in before they
got rid of him. I had more head coaches by
my third year in the league than I did than
(14:31):
I did years in the league. And as a as
a player who went through that type of situation where
you kept changing coaches because you felt like you needed
to have the results right now from the coaches that
you were hiring, it creates a It creates a mercenary
approach for the players because now you've gotten two or
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three coaches removed.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
From your guy.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I'm no longer after two thousand with Norv I'm no
longer the next coaches guy. Right, And every single time
you change a coach, you now take away the idea
of this group brought in this group of guys, and
so now you're creating a whole different type of dynamic.
(15:18):
It gets very complicated. But you, like you said, you
got to give time because if you don't give time,
you are going to create so many cracks and so
many you know, kind of disconnects that you have mercenaries
in your locker room. You don't have a team. You
don't have guys that care about one another, that develop
a love and a genuine trust and like for one another.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You have mercenaries.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
You get paid, you do your job, and generally speaking,
those teams most likely will always lose to.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The teams that have love for one another. How I
see it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I just wanted to is there anybody that could pull
David Tepper aside and be like, hey, so you guys
stink like you're just not a good team. And it's
part of the development and part of the growth. And
what comes with not having a weapon or enough around
Bryce Young is the fact that you gave up one
in DJ Moore to get him. That's how this works.
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You've got to give up something to get something in
the NFL if you're going to make a trade like that,
and on the back end of that, you're gonna have
to wear it for a little bit. And it's almost
like that that part of it doesn't doesn't add up
to him, Like that part of it is like no, no,
no, no no. I gave Matt rule a seven year deal.
I expect results. And Matt Ruhle says, yeah, I mean
I was told this is we had a plan in place,
(16:34):
and apparently we don't have a plan in place. And
then you know, Bryce Young's our guy. We're going to
get our guy. We're going to be aggressive, and now
you know, five games in, he's asking Frank Reich what
the problem is, and Frank Reich's like, well, yeah, yeah,
part of that deal was, yeah, we got our quarterback,
but there's gonna be some things that are missing around him.
And it's almost like he doesn't like that.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Part of it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Does It doesn't compute, like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
What they don't understand can turn out to be the
detriment of a franchise, depending on how far that goes
of not understanding that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I don't know. It's just, you know, it's complicated, Brady.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You saw a couple of weeks ago. I mean, they're
pretty far off, like yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I mean, look, they lost their starting left guard who's
a rookie to what was at the time looked like
a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He had to be taking the hospital, so that didn't help.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They've had issues on the offensive line ikey akwand who
is still working in the left tackle spot.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You go back to the Dj Moore decision.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
DJ Moore is viewed obviously by Chicago as a number
one by the previous staff in Chicago, or excuse me,
in Carolina as a number one, and I guess the
Carolina Panthers were willing to move on in order to
make that sort of trade. The problem is when you
bring in Felan. Felan was never a number one in Minnesota.
He had some amazing years there. He was awesome as
(17:54):
a number two there. But Minnesota was willing to move
on because they knew they had to save room for
Justin Jefferson, who is their number one. Granted hurt right
right now, but at one point was leading the league
of receiving yards this season. So you know, clearly there's
I think just a misunderstanding as to you know, maybe
David Temper understanding how you build a roster.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You know, there's the game has changed.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You can look at the New England Patriots and the
way they've built their roster and say, this isn't the
early two thousands. You have to have difference makers a
wide receiver, and they don't have that right now. So yeah,
Bryce Young has comes off his best game in a
tough loss to Detroit. But the truth is is he's
going to have to be the hero every single week
(18:38):
and you know, throwing for a bunch of yards, put
up a lot of production because they just don't have
the ability to ultimately compete with the roster as it
currently stands.
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We'll have that for you here on FSR.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up in about twenty minutes from now from the tire
rack dot Com Studios. Somebody on this show is going
to have to answer for their roots, where they come from,
and why this move is being made in their backyard.
We'll get into that for you here again, coming up
twenty minutes from now on Fox Sports Radio. The New
(20:03):
England Patriots are a bad football team and they've been
outscored seventy two to three the last two weeks. And
Mac Jones has watched the final concludion or the conclusion
of that game both games rather from the bench as
they make a move and bring in Bailey Zappy and
so of course Bill O'Brien, their offensive coordinator, who's there
(20:24):
Back in New England. He had to speak to the
media yesterday and was asked about whether or not mac
Jones will continue to be the starter as they're trying
to figure things out on offense there with the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
You anticipate Mac beings started this on it, I do
so you don't believe that maybe just a mental break
after the last two weeks might be something.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
That could bet in that. No, there's no time for
mental breaks.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Those are on your days off. I guess you can
take a little mental break, but it's the grind of
the season. You know, in order to be in this league,
as a coach, as a player, as anybody in this league,
you have to be mentally tough.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There's a grind.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
There's a grind that goes to the league, and it's
a seventeen week grind, and you know, we all have
to be mentally tough. You know, the sun came up
today and we're going to practice and today and we're
gonna you know, get after it and be fundamentally sound
today and see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
One day at a time.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Man, it seems like a fun place to be right now,
just a good time.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I told you man, that coaching staff, any of the
staffs that you know that have come from New England,
they grind, they sleep at.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The office, they don't shower.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
They're looking all dingy, like they're like stains on their
shirts and stuff they didn't get I wish. I mean,
trust me, I'd take a bar with me everywhere I go.
I don't trust the soap of any hotel I stand
besides graduate hotels. But outside of that, it's just it's miserable,
even when you are winning and you're a part of
(21:57):
one of those you know, I guess organizations that do
it the New England way, and I've heard countless times
how you know, how that's how it has to be done,
like that's the only way it can be done, which
isn't true. But that they see the success of Bill
Belichick and that's what everyone emulates. But in this case
you now find Bill O'Brien have to answer questions about
(22:18):
his quarterback because of how poorly they've played the past
two weeks and really the entire season. But much like Carolina,
this team's missing any sort of playmakers. Now they do
get Taekwon Thornton back, their second round pick from Baylor
from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who's he's got a lead speed. He could take the
top off the defense.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And that's one of those picks that they're still waiting
to have the impact they thought he would have. But
but I feel for Matt because, you know, outside of
the fact that their defense has played well to keep
them in games, they just have no firepower. You know,
this is this is not a league now where you
can win by scoring a few points unless you've got
the Pittsburgh Steelers defense.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But outside of that, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Really really hard to win week in week out if
you can't put up a lot of points and create
a lot of big plays.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's almost like New England's.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Trying to, you know, make sure they have a twelve
play drive every time for a touchdown. Which how many
teams do that on a consistent basis anymore in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not a lot, not many.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, here's my take on it, and it's a take
with kind of a question, all right, how many times
have we heard well, I guess it might be a
couple questions how many times have we heard Bill Belichick
say to the media and to the public, We're going
to start over.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
We're going to start over.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I can't recall ever hearing him say that, and if
he did, I missed it, so sorry. If you guys
were going to correct me and maybe heard it, then
I would say, okay, then let's maybe do a comparison.
But I have heard it, and for someone of the
caliber and standard of coach that Bill Belichick is, for
(23:57):
him to say start over at this moment in time,
I think that says a whole lot about where this
team is as a whole, and whether Mac Jones takes
the rap for what this season will be or not.
I think the whole team has been put out there,
(24:20):
and the whole team and even coaches have been put
out there and have been put on notice by a
statement as definitive as starting over. So now my question
to you guys would be, they have a team, a
two win team, and a team that isn't very good
all intensive purposes. They they look decent in this last game.
(24:43):
They look decently competitive. Max Crosby's a beast, Jimmy Garoppolo
came back. You know, they they won the game the Raiders,
but you if you were to lose to a two
win teams as the New England Patriots. At first I
thought to myself, is that like, how how is that
(25:06):
interpreted by the fan base? How is that interpreted by Craft?
The ownership? How is it interpreted? But when you have
a coach that of his reputation and his resume and
his credibility, as I continue to hear you guys say,
he'll be able to leave on his own terms, then
just like we had the conversation last last segment about
(25:26):
an owner that maybe doesn't fully understand yet what it
takes to have a winner in the National Football League Craft,
does Craft understands it completely?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
And I just wonder.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Does the focus truly just stay on Mac Jones for
the rest of the entirety of this season as they struggle,
or does it become what does the startover process look like?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
What does that consist of? Are we going to be
able to see that what that startover means? Does that
mean that the play calling turns into something different? Doesn't
mean that they use different personnel and try to figure out,
you know, with no name players or players we're not
used to hearing about or seeing in the lineup being
in the lineup? What exactly does starting over mean at
(26:17):
this point?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And and is that that was the days ago? Right?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Wasn't that the comedy made like two days ago? Yeah,
three days ago? Now, I mean that's kind of old news.
But look, it doesn't really matter what starting over means.
I mean, they got a game to play, right, They've
they've got to figure out how to try to get
a win, because we all know in the NFL, like
you get a win, it changes everything, like it changes
the demeanor, changed how people are talking, and then you
finally get that that sense.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Of what you need to do moving forward.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So only people behind closed doors know what that means
and why he said what he said referring to Bill Belichick.
But the reality is like, like, they've got a game
to play this week. There, it's Wednesday, They're in the
of their game prep. I don't think it really matters
what it means. Ultimately matters if they can get any
results to get things going back in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, but I would throw this back at you.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
It has to mean something in this regard if you
lose to if you're losing, if you lose to the Raiders, Like,
of course, you have a game to play, and you
got to prepare for the game because you do have
to go through the season. But I think it makes
it more digestible as a fan base that somebody of
Bill Belichick's stature saying we're starting over, That to me,
(27:33):
is put out there and that's now ingrained in the
minds of your right base.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Right We've talked about it days.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I think that what I'm trying to point out is,
you know, we heard a clip that was in Bill Belichick,
that was Bill O'Brien, And I think the interesting thing
is now Bill Belichick, regardless of what happens after the season,
you think he's on the hot seat to make it canned.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
It now comes down to Mac Jones what happens with him,
because he's ultimately the guy that they're going to point
the finger at first, and he's ultimately the guy that's gonna,
unfortunately face whatever consequences are coming the Patriots way for
their lack of success. So whatever starting over means, all right, Again,
we've touched on that the past two days, you know,
from our notes and show prep like what I'm looking
(28:15):
at now is how does Mac Jones receive you know
what Bill O'Brien's saying where he's given a vote of
confidence for this week, But the fact that you've got
to talk about it, I mean, that's that's more of
the issue moving forward. Is is it going to be
Mac Jones the rest of the way if they don't
start picking things up, or is it going to be
Bailey Zappi moving forward and then the Patriots basically looking
(28:36):
on the next year's draft.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It's going to be the fact that it comes up
my bed for Jonas, but it also came up in
the interview in terms of mental you know, rest having
rest or whatever the reporter. I think that both both
O'Brien and mac Jones again, and that's why I feel
(28:58):
like it is a relevant topic, even though he's said
it two days ago. I think that it's relative post game, right, Yeah,
it was post game yea. So it's Tuesday right now, yes,
so it is Wednesday, so yeah, so it'll be day three,
Oh it is day I just I find the relevance
of everything will resonate from that, Like, don't you wouldn't
(29:19):
you believe that hearing what Bill O'Brien has to say
hearing what what they're planning on and what the performances
look like from here on out is going to derive
from that type of a statement. So Bill O'Brien is
just as much on you know, on mode in terms
of what he has to do and how he's preparing,
and and so is Mac Jones. Like now that might
(29:40):
be more of an out an external type of thing
and not internal. They know what what's going on internally,
I would assume.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But I just for me, I I'm correlating. I am correlating.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I don't think that that dies on the vine and
it's like, okay, one thing doesn't lead to the next.
I think the way Bill O'Brien handled what he had
to saying is his presser and what he said has
everything to do with what the tone becomes once your
head coach sets that type of tone. Saying that in
a postgame press conference, like, I don't think that was
just lip service.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I just saw.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think everybody's on notice.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I don't think anybody there is used to this because
it's been twenty plus years of excellence and super bowls.
They've had two losing seasons since two thousand and they
you know, one was a seven to nine, one was
an eight and nine, So it's not like they were awful.
I think this is the first time for everybody there,
including Mac Jones who comes from Alabama and Bill O'Brien
was at Alabama. It's the first time they're looking around going,
(30:35):
oh god, we're on a bad football team. And I
think everybody's just trying to figure this out and look
for answers.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's that's But like I said, I mean, the more
immediate concern is and the more immediate change is going
to be Matt Jones. Like that's that's who the foing
finger gets pointed to. They're not going to move on
from Bill Belichick in the season, They're not going to
move on from Bill O'Brien, who just got thirs offensive coordinator.
It's Mac Jones because last year when they started that
whole quarterback potential controversy with Bailey Zappi, and it's always
(31:03):
the head coaching quarterback, but in this case, it's gonna
be Mac Jones because they haven't had any offensive production
the last two weeks, in particular, I mean they've struggled
to score ten points. They didn't even score ten this
past week versus New Orleans, so you kind of look
at it, or excuse me, they didn't score any points.
You look at it and it's like they can't even
be competitive if they can't put up any points so
(31:25):
far this year. And the person who's gonna take the
blame Firsus mac Jones. And then once Bailey Zappi goes
in there and whatever happens happens, you know, then they're
going to point to someone else. But at some point,
you know, the whole starting over thing doesn't matter. That
comes down to Robert Kraft. He wants to start over
after the season, depending on the decision that he wants
to make or the decision that Bill Belichick wants to make.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
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Speaker 9 (33:36):
Good morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning Brady, Good
morning LeVar.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
In case you didn't know, Ohio State is taking on
Purdue this Saturday, and an Ohio businessman business owner has
grown frustrated with the Big Tens deal with Peacock because
his bar, Gresso's.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
He has told his customers.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
He is not willing to pay for the Peacock subscription,
saying the costs are too high. It's six hundred and
ninety nine dollars plus times a twelve month commitment per TV,
which is twenty six TVs, which comes up to twenty
thousand dollars, letting his customers know he will not be
broadcasting the game even though he is the biggest OSU fan.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, I've got a solution for the SOSU fan, all right.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
You put up a bed, you put up may make
sure there's a nice little bathroom there for yourself, and
don't go for that commercial package. Go for the residential
and just say, hey, that's your house, it's your home
that you live there. Yeah, you just happen to have
twenty six different TVs. So maybe you could get skirt
around the issue that way. Or I know someone named
(34:43):
last name, Knox, first name and.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Begins the Jay point.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
He will go and he will put up rabbit ears
and try to steal from someone else's feed or antenna
or internet to be able to receive peacock.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean the prices that they charge her businesses, my
brother's restaurant, what he had to pay for because they
do it by capacity is Lead pointed out. What he
had to pay for a Sunday ticket this year was astonishing.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you know what, I don't know why that is.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, they charged by capacity.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But then also because Nielsen now rates hotels, bars, et cetera,
they didn't used to. I think over the past what
three four years, Lead like some of that changed, where
now Nielsen actually has ratings that include bars and hotels
and public spaces like that, where before it was just
really the at home viewership.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So now they've got.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
What they believe to be a little bit better data,
and a lot of the networks and streaming services feel
like they can go back and assuredly charge them a
premium for their product because they feel like these businesses
should be able to earn it back with that capacity
in those customers.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And the NFL and college football have got us by
the balls because you almost have to get it, like
I know what they're trying to do Atgresso's, which, by
the way, a uh, you know, it's about eight minute
eight minute drive from the Graduate in Columbus. Just want
to point that out.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Is it really yeah, you know, state minutes away, a
couple of miles. Is it an Ohio State bar?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I mean, I'm assuming it's in Columbus.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yes, sing every bar that's in Columbus is an Ohio
State bar.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It better be.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I mean it's not the Varsity Club, I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What's the Urban's bar called Urban Myers Place? What's it
called like the Pinouse Urbans Pine House? Yeah, that's not
on campus, Okay.
Speaker 9 (36:28):
He says most of his employees are Ohio State employees.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Employees are One thing we do is customers.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
And I mean, if it wasn't the Ohio State Bar,
say just get it for one TV or like get
it for like two TVs.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
Oh and he does call it a buck Eye Nation bar.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Actually, as I read, well, there you go.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
You can't call yourself a bar if you're not playing
buck out.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yea, you probably should just pony up and get the
you know, just at you know, charge fifty cents extra
for Tator Todds, you know, just something like that. Let's
go live to our I bought Peacock and didn't watch
it insideer Iowa say, saying that is true. I got
a subscription to Peacock. It was only six dollars though,
for a month, and then I, uh, you decided to
do a white a little because you're too hungover too much?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Can we go back over that math? So they're charging
them six ninety nine Is that a month?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
No, six hundred and ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Not sixty six hundred ninet nine.
Speaker 9 (37:20):
I don't get that. It's six dollars for me because
you're a residential. But that's like time, so much.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Okay, Sam, not much time? What was at least six.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
Hundred ninety nine times a twelve month commitment per TV
twenty six TVs comes up to yeah, twenty thousand dollars
just over.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, I mean, but hey, the price you pay drive
for a year, you know, I can't go by month, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's how you got to business, which it makes that
source of decision.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well, listen, start charging you know, forty eight dollars or
a Miller Lite. See see how that lands with some
of those people.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I think you just you figure out a way of
of you know, streaming it from someone's like residential account
on like three TVs you don't pay.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
For if you get caught.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
That's Don King had famously sued a Northern Indiana bar
for doing a Mike Tyson fight. Nowadays, you could do airplay,
which I'm sure you'd get sued for as well, but
you know where you could just like what's.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
The fine though, I mean, is it twenty thousand worth?
Because that's essentially what you're looking at here.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Prison time, Yeah, well you've been a prison but keep saying,
hey can you go can you go to prison for
illegally streaming an Ohio State game? That's that's called commitment
to me.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Would you be the biggest Buckeye fan ever. You're the
man of the people. Yeah, that's Buckey Nation right there.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
What you tell Ryan Data pay for it then
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