October 13, 2023 • 41 mins
It’s Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and Taylor Swift steal the show again thanks to a stinker between the Chiefs and Broncos. Cleveland has a real problem with Deshaun Watson’s commitment level and Broncos WR Jerry Jeudy comes off as soft, not being able to handle criticism from Steve Smith Sr.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar arings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Who's fired up here on a Friday? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
What would be what would be fired up for?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, we get to talk to each other, man.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know it's we're going to see each other soon.
There is something else, but we're going to see each
other soon.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Oh, I don't feel like you're doing your uh justin
Cooper voice right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're gonna be some Yeah, it's good lying. I'm gonna
watch that today. Every single time I look at Coop
and I say, you're lying, I gotta go watch the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Man, You're still there.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, still you're still here.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Ask him how it feels to be an actor, like
to be it's like a famous actor, Like yes, I'm saying,
like memorable.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like how does it feel when you hear me say
ye're lying? And that was like yeah? Or back then?
I mean, how does it feel now? I mean it's
I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It's kind of just it doesn't feel like anything now
it was years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Do you feel older when we reference that?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I mean kinda Hey, Coop, I have a better question
for you. Who's the weirdest actor you ever worked with?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Somebody?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You're like, that's a lunatic. Oh, that's a good question.
Nobody's asked me that before. I'd have to think about that.
I can tell you, like right off the top of
my head, who like the like unfriendliest ones were?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But let it fly, Coop. Melissa Joan Hart.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah from Clarissa explains, Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Who else?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I didn't I didn't work with her, but I met
her and Britney Spears was not very friendly.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I met Britney Spears before did a photo shoot with her?
Was that before after she used her head? Which?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Before when I when I met her she was popular?
She No, she hadn't even come out with like oops
I did again. It was like right after the hit
me Baby one more time?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh wow, baby one more time?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Oh wait? That was Backstreet Boys that beat bet Yeah,
back You're gonna make Jonas with a bang his head
against the wall.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's a great song.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Man and sync though nicest guys ever. Really they were
the coolest. Maybe that's why I started their group name,
you know, And.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Maybe that's why Jonas like should have been nicer and
maybe he could have made it with his boy band.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, no, I think talent got in the way as
well too. And his la Brent, Yeah, that's his Lebrett
got in the way of things.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So there it is. We can run with that on
social media. Let's get it fired off. The star of
Liar Liar says that Melissa Jonahan and Steers her scumbags.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We just go with that. I don't think we needed
a confirmation for one of them, just saying well, I
was also going to mention this to you guys. What's that.
It's a football Friday. Let's right?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Russ Russ will said Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Russell, mister wat cut cut that action, cut that, let's
do this. Yeahday night asday, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Plea, you mess me up.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That looked like the Muppets are remember them? Is that
used to be playing their instruments with animal Alee cut
your hair over here? Oh that was too good man.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Lee's got long ass hair right now. But yeah, it
is a football Friday. It is a football Friday. We
saw something. It wasn't a football Thursday for denver Man.
That game stunk. That was just not good football at all.
I mean, but listen, if you were one of the
lucky few who got the Kansas City Chiefs minus ten
(04:34):
and a half a couple hours before kickoff, congratulations, you
are a big winner. Nineteen eighth the final in a
very lackluster game that featured what seemingly was and already
annoyed as the game started, Al Michaels because he knew
what this was going to turn into with Taylor Swift
and then the Kansas City Chiefs who just couldn't figure
(04:54):
it out in the red zone. Basically the synopsis of
that game. From my perspective, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yep. I look, I mean, Denver kind of is what
it is.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
And I'll just ask the question, was Andy Reid just
trying stuff out last night?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Like, Hey, let me give some people some other looks
and let's see if a couple of these things work,
Because it feels like even Patrick Mahomes at times was
frustrated with maybe some of the decisions and some.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Of the progress they were making on offense.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I just I mean no, I was just say, look,
as a quarterback when and I can't imagine how he
feels considering how successful he's been so early in his career.
I think anytime things aren't working the way you practice
and prepare all week, you get frustrated. Like it's especially
the way this season's been for them. I think if
you looked at, you know, outside of Kelsey, it's been
(05:47):
frustrating working to other pieces in their offense and not
having the same type of explosion or the same type
of success you had when Tyreek.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Kill was there.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So I think all of that is frustrating, and obviously
on a national stage with Taylor Swift there again, of course,
you know he feels he feels the pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean, she's a walking billboard. Like they they who
has the clothing lines? Is Aaron Andrews or somebody who
has the line? Oh, look at Taylor Swift, she's having
such a great time. Then they got Patrick Mahomes his
wife involved. Look at Patrick Mahomes as mess as Oh
I got Oh, by the way, in the garb that
she's wearing is one of the official lines items of
(06:28):
Aaron Andrews line. You could go to the NFL gate like,
come on, man, no, I mean, I mean, if you're
agreeing with me, yes, I agree with you. But if
you're saying I was setting it up, I was no that. Yes, man,
come on man, you're like she's a billboard. They had
basically purchased media billboard time and put it on their
(06:53):
own platform to do it. Like how many like when
they when Aaron Andrews found out that Taylor Swift was
gonna wear one of her pieces for these purposes. I
would be curious to see how many Swifties go out
and buy Aaron Andrews call you know, her products right,
(07:15):
Like unbelievable. If I'm sitting at home, I'm sitting there
looking like Jerry Maguire after he got the deal done
or Cuba Gooden Junior for that after he got the
deal done for him, Like yes, yes, yes, Taylor Swift.
Taylor Swift is wearing my ass on TV Prime and
(07:35):
they just they plugged it like they plugged it. You
know how much she would have had to come up with?
You know how much he has to pony up for
Taylor Swift to just put it on, wear it on
every day like Award today here it is, that's a
post Like how much is that? You know what I mean?
Like the Kardashians, I think they were at one point
commanding like what was it like somewhere like two million
dollars per per social media post of a product.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, I was gonna ask you, do you think the
NBA is like, damn, like these mothers. We should have
gone again, we should have gone with Taylor Swift and
out of Kardashian bro.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They have so many they have so many celebrities that
attend their games, but I've never seen I've never seen
it done like this. Like part of me wants to
hate it, but then the other part of me, like,
you know, I like to believe I'm a serial entrepreneur.
I'm looking at that and I'm like, brilliant. When is
she brilliant?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I'll say this though, if Taylor Swift has never seen
an NFL game, she's gotten some. She's gotten like three
straight turd burners. I mean, we're talking first of all Bears,
Chiefs was disaster.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That's how you know it's so, That's how y'all know
it's the Jets and the Chiefs was ugly last night
was because the Jets could have beat them. The Jets
could have won that game.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But we all know the story could be written that way.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It could have been written that way. I didn't see
any crazy egregious penalty like missed penalties on in the
game last night, but I will say it's just interesting
that fate always is on Casey's side right now, like
the fumble, you're sitting there looking at it right now.
You got you got an opportunity to go down like Russ.
(09:12):
You got an opportunity to go down the field and
tie the game up. Right they could talk or was
there where it was they were still so at that
last drive? Okay it was nineteen eight. I was about
to say, what was the last drive? Yeah, well, anyway
they got the field, you had a chance to had
a chance to make it even more respectable.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know what Kansas City had a chance to do.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah the spread? Huh cover new points?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Cover them now, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I immediately texted Joab too, like what does that mean?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Because they said we did the over order with eleven, right,
but yeah, wasn't it at eleven or eleven?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And you did the point total which was what forty four? No,
I think lead throughout throughout eleven was the spread?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Now, we talked about the spread, but the over under
was what we did on the game, which four we
also did Travis Kelsey receiving yards and you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Know I got that one, but I didn't I didn't
get the points.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I doubted the effectiveness of that toward all Nectar.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Again, I mean, there's only one person they had to stop, and.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They did stop him, So now they seem to stop everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And you know what I noticed?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Why though, did you see the play where he he
like kind of found a hole in his zone coverage, Yeah,
caught it and then pitched it out to Gray. Yes,
I'm convinced now after that little signbell came out that
Mahomes has no idea what Kelsey's doing.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like, you know, he said that only field, he.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Says a post interview.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, Like, I think he just does whatever he like
season zone coverage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And Mahomes is like, yeah, I'll.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Just eventually get him the football because he's so good
at finding soft spots in the zone coverage, like he
never like runs and stands stands next.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
To a guy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You you'll get young players in the NFL who are
so like, what's my job I've got to I've got
to run to the spot. I'm going to stand there.
And it's like, well, there's a defender standing there. They'd
be like, but yeah, but all get cut a final runs.
It's like no, no, no, no, you'll get cut if you
don't catch the ball when I throws to you when
you're open. But if you run to that spot and
(11:20):
that guy's standing there, you're not going to get the ball.
So you decide run to the open spot, not where
they're not where the spot is, or we draw it
up in a playbook and like that's what Kelsey does.
He just finds openings. Mahomes knows to find him, and
the rest is history.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Now, Patrick Mahomes did give credit where credit was due,
because there has been one side of the ball that
has looked vastly improved over what we've seen in years
past when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And that's the sense.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Well, yeah, Special Bucker was great last night, but here
was the Chiefs quarterback talking about the other side of
the ball.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Luckily for us, our defense is playing great, so we
can go through these growing pains and try to get
better and better. But I mean, the talent's there, you
can see it in spurts, but we have to learn
how to sustain drives, getting on the red zone, score
touchdowns and make it easier on our defense to play
a little bit more free.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So there he is defense balled out man, Chris Jones
is is he should be in the conversation Is there
a defense better in their offense right now?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, it's it's been the best part of their their
team the whole season.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They'd lock him. Man, I don't want to say it.
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I was about there every time.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Again, I am.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Luckily for us our defense is playing great, so we
can go through these growing pains and try to get
better and better. But I mean, the talent's there, you
can see it in spurts, but we have to learn
how to sustain drives, getting on the red zone, score
touchdowns and make it easier on our defense to play
a little bit more free.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's so crazy to say that, because I was really
about to start doing this when I was talking to.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
But if he does karaoke, does he have any other
choice but to do Louis that's all the time, Like
he's got he's got one tool in his toolbox.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And it's said not have any comparisons, but you know.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's it's a wonderful world.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like he walks up to a karaoke bar in can't
downtown Kansas City, and then and they before he even
picks a song to go, all right here it is
it's a wonderful world.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Wait, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
World.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, he's got that's all he's got.
It's like there's some people who can just do pearl
jam because they have they can't reach a certain octaves.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's just that that the entire time. That's not hoody, No,
it's not hoody.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
All right, all right, let's hear, let's hear Louis Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Luckily for us, our defense is playing great, so we
can go through the growing pains and try to get better.
But I mean, the talent's there, you can see it
in spurts, but we have to learn how to sustaine
I was getting on the red zone, score touchdowns and
make it easier on our defense to play a little
bit more free.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Like well done, by the way, he can't even.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
He can't even walk into a place and try and
bust Travis Kelsey's balls and do Taylor Swift because they're like, buddy,
don't even don't even try. You're getting Louis Armstrong and
that's just all you're getting. There's no other options for you.
But that so good, so good, so so there it is.
That is That is our coverage this hour of Thursday
night football to kick off week six. A little bit lackluster,
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but you know, probably a good sign maybe we're gonna
get some good games over the course of the weekend.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. We also had the Danner Holgerson
Bowl last night, which was an epic finish on a
Hail Mary between West.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Virginia and Houston. Heartbreaker for one, yeah, but hey listen
heart beat for another. Yeah, but hey, Houston's way down
there in the rankings, I mean of their conference. That
Koog's are back after last night.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
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Speaker 6 (15:14):
All right, so, according to Josina Anderson of CBS Sports,
Deshaun Watson is not expected to play this coming Sunday
against the San Francisco forty nine ers at home. Now
apparently they're also going to be out Joel Botonio David
and Joku both of them are going to be out
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as well too. So it feels like the odds are
pretty much stacked against the Cleveland Browns. But on the
subject of Deshaun Watson, it is a little curious, and
we've talked about this on the show, because he was
medically cleared according to his coach, to play against Baltimore
and then didn't play, and then they had a bye
(15:54):
week last week, and now he's got a game against
San Francisco this week and it's being described does a
bruised rotator cuff. So some people are questioning what's going
on here. And so his offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt
was asked about Deshaun Watson's toughness at practice yesterday.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I would never, ever, ever doubt his toughness. Never. I
would never doubt his toughness.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
I've seen him play, I've seen him do some amazing things,
fight through things. That is not the issue at all whatsoever.
If I'm a running back and I can't run full speed,
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make it,
I might be cleared medically, but I can't operate, you know,
with my strength, which is my legs as a runner,
so same as a thrower.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
For him, I would never, ever, ever doubt his toughness.
He's tough his nails.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So there's the latest from the Browns coaching staff on
Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm curious as to how CU's going to approach this one.
I'm gonna sit back and spectate. Yeah, what kind of
intel you got, Bri, I've got none.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I mean, I only think I'd say, is it sounds
like there as they be hind the scenes and this
might shock you, they would know who Deshaun Watson's represented.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
All the Muliganah, So you had to if you had
to look at how he likes to kind of go
about protecting guys.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He kind of throws some things out to different sources
in the media. So Mary Kay Cabot comes out with
a report, you know, or oh, this is an injury
that you shouldn't be able to come back from him
for two to six weeks. Well, by the way, he's
three weeks removed from when the injury occurred. Now, okay,
let's start there. The second thing is then they're talking
about all medical experts. They had a medical expert who
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talked about this who has not actually looked at Deshaun Watson,
but is claiming that like, yeah, he probably couldn't play,
or this is the time frame of which he couldn't play. Okay,
But typically what you see is his agent's trying to
look out for his best interest. He's going to the
media to kind of help without and getting out the messaging.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The truth is the fact that he's paid. And this
is very similar, in my.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Opinion, to load management in the NBA, where if guys
aren't feeling one hundred percent, they don't have to go.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
They have guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Deshaun Watson has a two hundred and thirty million dollars
guaranteed contract. No one can say anything to him, not
even a doctor who supposedly cleared him.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, is that what we heard a couple of
weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, so, I mean we can listen to what coaches say,
we can read reports and so forth, But if the
medical doctor who's examining him cleared him, then it comes
down to, in essence, what degree that he feels close
to one hundred percent. And this is how I'll pass
the ball back to LeVar to talk about this subject. Hey, LeVar,
(18:45):
this deep into the season so far, is anyone playing
at one hundred percent?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Not one? Okay, I feel confidence saying probably not one.
Even backups that I haven't even seen playing time are
not at one hundred percent. I don't think one person
that is on an NFL roster is physically at this
point in the year at one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I'll ask this question.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If he's on a one year, two year deal where
you know there's not many guarantees involved, he's got to
prove it. And I know that's a hypothetical. He's playing,
he's probably playing right.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, he's not probably playing. He's He's asked yourself this question,
would you play if you were in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I've been at Cleveland Brown quarterback who's played where I
wasn't one hundred percent? Well, I've already been there, and
I know what it looks like when you try to
play through something doesn't play well.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You know Baker Mayfield did this for Cleveland, Yes he did,
and you know maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That factors into it maybe because of you know, the
fact that no one really gave him any appreciation that season,
or the benefit of the doubt that Deshaun Watson feels
like he's got to protect himself because so far it
hasn't been stellar and you feel like if he continues
to do this that maybe it'll only build to some
of the frustration with how he's played.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I wonder if Deshaun wat and David Mulagetta and Deshaun
Watson's camp arpissed at Kevin Stefanski for saying out loud
he was medically cleared, but he decided he couldn't go,
because that does give that does change the way you
look at this whole thing as opposed to, well, you know,
he's just not healing as fast as we thought to
Wait a second, you were cleared two weeks ago, you
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had a bye week. It's not like you've been playing
since and you still can't give it a go.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Let me let me weigh in on that a little bit,
all right, So, first of all, you have to release
injury reports. So the fact that they said he was
medically clear, that's that's kind of if you ask me,
that's bare minimum you gave a bare minimum response to
what his his health status is. So it's not like
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Stefanski came out and was like, well, he's clear to play.
I mean we were expecting him to practice. I mean,
it's just gonna come down to what you know Deshaun
wants to do. But if you're medically clear, then why
aren't you playing again? I'll say this being medically cleared.
(21:08):
If Stefanski wanted to throw shade, there's ways coaches can
word what they're saying in the reports or in their
interviews that would lend to you being able to draw
your own conclusion and it being maybe considered. If you're
a pro person getting healthy or you're a pro fan
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of that player, that may sound offensive like oh, you're
trying to throw shade at him, you know what I mean?
But that isn't what happened here. Stefanski isn't throwing shade
at You said the dude was medically cleared. He didn't
play like we're gonna play it by air. You just
heard Van Pelt just say, doesn't question his toughness, So
they're in support of him. To me, that would make
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me if I feel like my coach is putting his
trust in me, and I feel that from the coaches
to have I feel that from my relationship with my teammates.
If I'm physically able, I'm in here right now. I
got crutches like I'm If I'm physically able to go,
I've done the show with my grains. If I'm physically
able to go, I'm gonna go for my teammates bottom line,
(22:15):
like I'm gonna go whether I'm one hundred percent, whether
I'm not. Now, that doesn't mean he's wrong for what
he's doing. It doesn't mean he's wrong. If he's saying
he's protecting his interest. He just ain't cut the same
way if some some other guys. That's I just think
he's just cut different. And that might be what it is.
I might just be exactly what you're learning is that
(22:36):
he's just not built that way. And I don't know
that that's not a horrible thing. I just you know,
you're just not going to say a hero's return, you know,
I mean it just Superman go out there and protect
you know, the world out one hundred percent all the time.
Did Batman used to get his ass whipped?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Did he did? He always protect Gotham out one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Are you trying to say we should cut massage man
a little bit of a break here.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm not saying that what you're saying, I'm just saying
there's you know, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
there's different perspectives. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Are you saying that all those massages maybe soften them
up too much?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
His tissue might be a little too soft.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
It's like finding a ripe, right can what you're saying
you don't want to bruise it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Your thoughts on a break? You certainly need that rotator
cuff to be able to move correctly.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It could be more, it's less a physical thing. Maybe
a mental thing about him harding.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Could be I mean, listen, I just I don't get it.
I just don't get it. I don't understand how you're
told you can play look with with you know, NFL
doctors on notice with what happened obviously with TUA and
concussions and all that, and there's been doctors that have
(23:58):
been sued or players that have suited team medical staffs
and whatnot that's happened over the past several years. When
people start talking about the safety issues in football, I
find it hard to believe that a medical staff would
clear somebody unless they weren't absolutely positive they were gonna
be okay playing with whatever aim.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It does happen. That does happen, where a guy gets
cleared and he comes back too early and he reinjures himself.
It has happened, But I don't know that that's the
to me. I don't feel like that's the debatable point here.
I think the debatable point is is if you're clear
to play, I think that you should show some way,
somehow your teammates and in some cases even your fans,
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that this matters. You know, it matters to you. I
think that the idea, the whole conversation is like you're
leaving them out to dry when there's probably other guys
that I mean, for all intents and purposes, I almost
could guarantee you if you were to do a health
evaluation on some of those offensive linemen that are protecting them,
I bet you they have worse injuries and they're not
(25:03):
even on the medical report. Real talk like some of
these famous can't even move.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
This isn't even something that I believe needs to be
surgically repaired from at least all reports and accounts that
whether they're putting them out or are being put out
from what the Browns are giving them. But there are
guys who, to Lvar's point, who literally put off surgeries
till the end of the season, and it's because they
can't afford to go on ir if they have what's
(25:30):
called an injury split where they get half of what
they're owed for the rest of the year, or they
need to stay on the active roster in order to
be able to have a shot and can make an
active roster the next year. And here's the thing is,
there's a lot of people out there who are probably
Watson fans, that are like, well, he's going to do
those situations, so it doesn't matter. But there is an
element of being a leader and playing through stuff and
(25:53):
fighting through stuff that does matter, that makes guys rally
for you, play for you as well, that does matter,
And that's an element of it that I wonder how
much is factored in. This is a game coming up
that has no conference or divisional ramifications. They're playing the
forty nine ers right arguably the best defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So you know, if he doesn't want to suit up
for it, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But say you're scared, that's all set, Well, I want
to wait.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
The problem is too, It's like.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
When Anthony Richardson goes out in Annapolis, you're kind of like, well,
they have Gordner minshew, he's got experience there.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He's he's a good player in the spot too.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
He's proven that, like he's going to be out for
a like Richardson will be out for a while, but
like they'll be able to survive. You don't feel the
same way with Cleveland and for that fan base.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
For me growing up as a fan, it's tough to watch.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
For me at having played quarterback there being in snaries
like this, it's tough to watch because you only get
so many shots. This is trying to capitalize on a
roster and making a run in the playoffs because once
you get in the playoffs, and who knows, if you
get hot teams going run all that, But you start
dropping some games because you don't have your starter out there,
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a guy you're paying two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed.
That's a problem, and you know he's got to you
can't make him want it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, he's got to be the one that want
to be out there.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah, I just like LeVar you pointed out you were
working with migraines. If if we found out that you
were cleared by your doctor that you didn't have that
you were going to you could work and your migraines
wouldn't be an issue, and you still decided not to work,
I would just take that as, Oh, you just didn't
want to work, you just didn't want to do the show,
or I don't care enough about the show, so like
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I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think that that's the point. Yeah, that's the point
that we're making. Like I find it.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
You know, there's got to be at least a handful
of players in that locker room who are like, wait
a second, So he just didn't want to play.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Maybe fourhands full of players, you know, and I would beforehand.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's be clear here, this isn't is a great point
for I know, we may come across as the Sean
Watson haters on this show we talking about, which I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I would not say we hate on him.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know, Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean, we may lubricate some of the conversations.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Wow, and I am hashtag team Mulaghetta here on this show.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Wow, I'm not a mulatto man. I've made that known.
But that has nothing to do with Deshaun wats.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
We may have to erect like certain conversations, Oh, you know,
to be able to dance around subjects.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But like we we put it all on the table.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Exercise. You're you're given amendment rights, you know, different things. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna just leave it there. What do you mean
I'll just leave it there?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I mean, under the event about our fault, LeVar, we
try to bring the naked truth to the.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
People under the advice of my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
One advice lawyer, I serve my rights under the Fifth A.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Minute strikes me as a stand up guy, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Strikes me as a face down guy.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It'd have been better that way.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Maybe face up actually when there you.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Go, as far as you know, whether it's p J Walker,
dtr you know, I just hope they don't, you know,
stiffing up out there when they get the opportunity to
see those niners. So that's that's where we're at with
Sean Watson out conversation trying.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
To preview a game. We can't preview a game without
being judged. Just seeing real relaxed about how y'all talking
about this topic?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Man, Yeah, we are all right. I mean you can't
pull it all out at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh no, what? Oh no, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Waste that juice early on. Yeah, make sure you get
through all four courts.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh no, no, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh though.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Hey listen, this is the way this works. It is
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know what, Brady's done A good job.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I've done a good job. I feel like, LeVar, you're
going to take center stage here. So Brady, let's go
grab a towel and let LeVar have it from here.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
We do have a is that okay? Sam can say that? Sam.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
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Speaker 10 (30:12):
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Speaker 6 (30:41):
I didn't know that this was a feud, but apparently
this is now a feud, and it's wide receiver on
wide receiver crime. Now some would say that maybe it's
something else, but again that's not neither here nor there.
So last night before the game, Steve Smith, who is
an analyst for NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Network blame thrower.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
He was on the field and he was doing his
pregame report and Jerry Judy of the Broncos walked by,
and apparently there was some sort of interaction, some sort
of back and forth, and Steve Smith Sr. Explained himself
on the air as to why there was a little
bit of a contentious back and forth between him and
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Jerry Judy for.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
A short while ago.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeh, Broncos wide receiver Jerry Judy was walking by and
Steve called out to him.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He got a different reaction.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
I called out to him because on my podcast cut
to it, I just talked about guys that maybe have
not showed up in a way or in the manner,
and so they weren't. That I've used to describe him
in the past was a jag just they got again.
And so when I saw him he's playing well, I
wanted to say to him face to face, like, hey,
(31:55):
I know I said some things in the past are
probably shouldn't have and I'm I'm sorry. That's what I
wanted to say to him. His response, Mike Robb and
Bucky he was ninja ninja. Yes, I'm using the word
ninja's I'm just using the word ninja who want to
mess with you?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And it was it was a curse word.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
And so I was like, all right, and then he
repeated it, so I'll say it again.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm sorry that I.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Said you were a jack, just a guy who's an
average wide receiver they used the first round pick on
that isn't doing anything. I hope today that you actually
show up in a way that you haven't showed up
in the last couple of years since they draft you.
So if you ever got a problem with aged eighty nine,
I'm sorry. For saying that you're an average wide receiver
that they eventually will move on. And when teams called
me and asking should they trade for you, I will
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say no, don't trade for Jerry Judy because he's mentally
unable to handle constructive criticism from people who watch. Specifically,
can he be a wide receiver? He could be a
wide receiver. He's a Tier three. Go back into the studio.
I'm done now, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
He threw dah. You want to hear Jerry. You want
to hear Jerry Judy's response? Yeah, is Jerry Judy?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Let him have it. Postgame Jerry a little bit of
drama before the game with Steve Smith's senior and wondering
what your thoughts are on that right now?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Man, that was a tough lost.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Man.
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I feel like at the end of the game, I
feel like we could have we could have got there.
But you know, they had a good drive out in Jerry.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Steve sid said he had some kind of conversation.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
With you before the game.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Did he did that not go well or based on
what he said on air on NFL network, I don't
remember that, you know, but like I said, you know,
it was a close game.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You just got to finish out the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Apparently, I mean, Steve Smith will whoop his ass. Even
to this day. I'm surprised Steve, Like, that's very cool
that Steve actually said I'm offering an apology, because that
ain't if you know, Steve, that ain't really Steve's m o.
Steve's m is you want to talk to talk to
Agent eighty nine. You can find me wherever it is
that I'm going to be, wherever my ten toes is down,
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you can find me there and you could come see
me with it. That's Steve Smith. Steve is growing like
he's he's he's he's maturing into a too, a fine
older young young man out here, because I'll tell you
the old Steve Smith would have probably tried to lock
up with him on the field.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, but Jerry Judy doesn't have to accept his apology. No,
he does it, man, he does it, you know, and
Steve Smith.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you know, but at the end of the day,
you don't have to have a derogatory response towards him either,
you know, really, if you don't, if you don't fool
with with Steve Smith and you don't like the criticisms
that he live bout but you know your way, which,
by the way, I mean, how many catches did Jerry
Judy have last night yet three? What was his yardage? Okay,
(34:52):
if you didn't like the criticisms, then you have every
opportunity to one do exactly what you did and the
post post press conference sound bites, which is just ignore
it or or do more like you can. You can
change people's criticisms because criticisms are on film. So if
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you put different film on out there for critics and
analysts to look at, and then it changes the way
you critique and analyze what's taking place. So when he
made it personal in calling and to everybody out there culturally,
if you don't know what ninja means, it's another way
of saying the N word without saying the N word.
(35:34):
So if I call you ah, you know that the
whole you know Shanobi? Jeez?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean I thought I was being complimented when
someone called me that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I was like, yeah, I do feel kind of a child.
I feel like I can people. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, if yeah that I got well, I just figured
I put you guys a little bit up on game
on the fact that when he said he called out.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Do you feel like Judy took that personal?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He? I mean, he had to have taken it personal
to say, you know, Shoby, I don't mess with you.
You know, if you don't, if you don't, if you
don't get away from me, Shanoby, you know what I mean?
Like he took it personal, and nobody wants to have
a God did you guys see the video?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Pregame like I didn't really understand that the article I
saw about this, because I might be with everyone else here,
I was like, where did this come from? I don't
really understand why, like anyone's mad at each other, Like
that's Steve Smith's job, He's paid.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
To give his opinion. He was a tremendous receiver.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Like well then that's where I'm like, all right, well,
I mean I wasn't really sure like how this all,
how this all came about, but then there was like
a video that was trying to confirm like yeah, Jerry,
Judy's like giving it to Steve Smith. Pregame like I
didn't hear anything that he I was in that video
that he would saying anything back outside of apparently what
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Steve Smith said he said back to him in now.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I do wonder if Jerry Judy's got a little bit
of a red ass because Mark Schlareth also was critical
of the wide receiver play in Denver.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh, he wasn't. He wasn't as forgiving as as Steve Smith.
And I don't I don't see, I don't foresee Mark,
I don't fe I don't feel like Stink is going
to come out and issue an apology for what he said. Yeah,
he said quote I would cut.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Both of those guys talking about him in Courtland Sutton
with the way that they've played and not helping out
Russell Wilson. He went on to say that Jerry Judy
could not play on the teams I played on if
his life depended on it. He's not tough enough, he's
not focused enough, he's not good enough, he's not anything enough.
He said he could not play on our teams. Mike
Shanahan would cut him tomorrow. I would not have him
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on my team.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So he laid into him and sold that man, he's
not a professional for using Steve Smith and you Steve Smith,
he said, you're not professional for one. So that Schla
went to Twitter and was like three for fourteen. Love
it when a dude who gets challenged by his quote
old head haters rises up to the challenge. And yes,
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I'm talking about you, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
So maybe Jerry Judy is just a little defensive right
now because he's catching strays from you know, great former
NFL players.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And by the way, like two players that I know
for a fact are watching the tape. It's not like
guys are looking at a stat line and saying, oh,
this is like they're watching tape. They're watching what he's doing,
what he's not doing. And I think both just from
Noah Mark, just from knowing Steve, like they're well researched,
like they know what they're talking about. They're gonna be
(38:39):
the type of guys to be able to give you like, hey,
this is not just what I see on film. But
like I've talked to some other people too, Like if
Mark sitting there saying he's not focused, he's hearing that
from someone within the building that knows that too, that's
seeing that too, that's concerned about that.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
For Jerry Judy. So if you're Jerry Judy, you really
should take this more as.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
A wasteful yeah, wake up dog, like stop being so sensitive.
These cats are so sensitive these days. Man, they take
everything personal, Like why can't you be taught like Bruh
in my day, Like I'll give you a great example.
My rookie year. I came in out of shape. Brian
Mitchell first one seeing me, said, you look like you're pregnant.
You about six months about to have a baby. A presson, right.
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He did make it personal and I didn't like that,
and it drove me personally. And then I got in
the training camp and I was having like anxiety attacks,
couldn't really breathe and stuff like that, and it was
just bad. And and then you know, Bruce Smith was like,
if you don't get your non football playing ass up
out of the way, get out of my way, Like
he was upset with me, Get get out of the way, hey,
(39:43):
turn get him out right. If I'm sensitive. If I'm sensitive,
I fold my tent. I talked trash like I'm the
number two overall. Pick f you like I got I
got mine, Like like, I don't you old? You washed up?
Like out of my face. Bruce took that. I took
that as as incentive. I took that as motivation, like
(40:06):
be motivated if somebody I've always wanted. My whole reasoning
for feeling good about and this is just personal, my
whole reasoning behind going into the games and playing the
game the way that I did is so that guys
who played before me and guys that played with me,
we we had a mutual respect. By the time that
game was over, or by the time you saw the
(40:28):
film of me, when you're studying my film, you were like,
that's a guy, Like what Steve Smith said, that's a
guy that dude right there. He's a game wrecker. He's
an impact player. That's what I always wanted. So if
somebody that I want to say good things about me
doesn't say good things, in fact says something that is
not good, take that as as as a challenge because
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we all been there. Like we've all been there. I
went on to go to three Pro Bowls after that year.
Me and me and Bruce became the closest of friends,
like we we traveled together, like we sat in the
same road together. Most times, take it as a challenge,
like stop being so god dang sensitive about even with
(41:11):
social media and how you got all this goes two ways.
You got one group of people that sit there and
just gas you up, gas you, gas you, protect you
attack everybody says anything. Then you have the other ones
that say jump off of a bridge, kill yourself, do
something crazy to yourself, and have just tremendous You know,
what is it? Vitriol towards you, like straight hate towards you.
(41:31):
It is what it is, man like. But if it's
somebody that you can respect, that has been there and
has walked in the in the in the path and
has had the journey that you're on, man, take it
for what it is worth.
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar arings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox
on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Who's fired up here on a Friday? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
What would be what would be fired up for?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, we get to talk to each other, man.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know that's true.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know it's we're going to see each other soon.
There is something else, but we're going to see each
other soon.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Oh, I don't feel like you're doing your uh justin
Cooper voice right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're gonna be some Yeah, it's good lying. I'm gonna
watch that today. Every single time I look at Coop
and I say, you're lying, I gotta go watch the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Man, You're still there.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, still you're still here.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Ask him how it feels to be an actor, like
to be it's like a famous actor, Like yes, I'm saying,
like memorable.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like how does it feel when you hear me say
ye're lying? And that was like yeah? Or back then?
I mean, how does it feel now? I mean it's
I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It's kind of just it doesn't feel like anything now
it was years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Do you feel older when we reference that?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I mean kinda Hey, Coop, I have a better question
for you. Who's the weirdest actor you ever worked with?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Somebody?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You're like, that's a lunatic. Oh, that's a good question.
Nobody's asked me that before. I'd have to think about that.
I can tell you, like right off the top of
my head, who like the like unfriendliest ones were?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But let it fly, Coop. Melissa Joan Hart.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah from Clarissa explains, Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Who else?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
I didn't I didn't work with her, but I met
her and Britney Spears was not very friendly.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I met Britney Spears before did a photo shoot with her?
Was that before after she used her head? Which?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Before when I when I met her she was popular?
She No, she hadn't even come out with like oops
I did again. It was like right after the hit
me Baby one more time?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh wow, baby one more time?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Oh wait? That was Backstreet Boys that beat bet Yeah,
back You're gonna make Jonas with a bang his head
against the wall.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's a great song.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Man and sync though nicest guys ever. Really they were
the coolest. Maybe that's why I started their group name,
you know, And.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Maybe that's why Jonas like should have been nicer and
maybe he could have made it with his boy band.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, no, I think talent got in the way as
well too. And his la Brent, Yeah, that's his Lebrett
got in the way of things.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So there it is. We can run with that on
social media. Let's get it fired off. The star of
Liar Liar says that Melissa Jonahan and Steers her scumbags.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We just go with that. I don't think we needed
a confirmation for one of them, just saying well, I
was also going to mention this to you guys. What's that.
It's a football Friday. Let's right?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Russ Russ will said Russell Wilson.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Russell, mister wat cut cut that action, cut that, let's
do this. Yeahday night asday, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Plea, you mess me up.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That looked like the Muppets are remember them? Is that
used to be playing their instruments with animal Alee cut
your hair over here? Oh that was too good man.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Lee's got long ass hair right now. But yeah, it
is a football Friday. It is a football Friday. We
saw something. It wasn't a football Thursday for denver Man.
That game stunk. That was just not good football at all.
I mean, but listen, if you were one of the
lucky few who got the Kansas City Chiefs minus ten
(04:34):
and a half a couple hours before kickoff, congratulations, you
are a big winner. Nineteen eighth the final in a
very lackluster game that featured what seemingly was and already
annoyed as the game started, Al Michaels because he knew
what this was going to turn into with Taylor Swift
and then the Kansas City Chiefs who just couldn't figure
(04:54):
it out in the red zone. Basically the synopsis of
that game. From my perspective, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yep. I look, I mean, Denver kind of is what
it is.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
And I'll just ask the question, was Andy Reid just
trying stuff out last night?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Like, Hey, let me give some people some other looks
and let's see if a couple of these things work,
Because it feels like even Patrick Mahomes at times was
frustrated with maybe some of the decisions and some.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Of the progress they were making on offense.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I just I mean no, I was just say, look,
as a quarterback when and I can't imagine how he
feels considering how successful he's been so early in his career.
I think anytime things aren't working the way you practice
and prepare all week, you get frustrated. Like it's especially
the way this season's been for them. I think if
you looked at, you know, outside of Kelsey, it's been
(05:47):
frustrating working to other pieces in their offense and not
having the same type of explosion or the same type
of success you had when Tyreek.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Kill was there.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So I think all of that is frustrating, and obviously
on a national stage with Taylor Swift there again, of course,
you know he feels he feels the pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I mean, she's a walking billboard. Like they they who
has the clothing lines? Is Aaron Andrews or somebody who
has the line? Oh, look at Taylor Swift, she's having
such a great time. Then they got Patrick Mahomes his
wife involved. Look at Patrick Mahomes as mess as Oh
I got Oh, by the way, in the garb that
she's wearing is one of the official lines items of
(06:28):
Aaron Andrews line. You could go to the NFL gate like,
come on, man, no, I mean, I mean, if you're
agreeing with me, yes, I agree with you. But if
you're saying I was setting it up, I was no that. Yes, man,
come on man, you're like she's a billboard. They had
basically purchased media billboard time and put it on their
(06:53):
own platform to do it. Like how many like when
they when Aaron Andrews found out that Taylor Swift was
gonna wear one of her pieces for these purposes. I
would be curious to see how many Swifties go out
and buy Aaron Andrews call you know, her products right,
(07:15):
Like unbelievable. If I'm sitting at home, I'm sitting there
looking like Jerry Maguire after he got the deal done
or Cuba Gooden Junior for that after he got the
deal done for him, Like yes, yes, yes, Taylor Swift.
Taylor Swift is wearing my ass on TV Prime and
(07:35):
they just they plugged it like they plugged it. You
know how much she would have had to come up with?
You know how much he has to pony up for
Taylor Swift to just put it on, wear it on
every day like Award today here it is, that's a
post Like how much is that? You know what I mean?
Like the Kardashians, I think they were at one point
commanding like what was it like somewhere like two million
dollars per per social media post of a product.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, I was gonna ask you, do you think the
NBA is like, damn, like these mothers. We should have
gone again, we should have gone with Taylor Swift and
out of Kardashian bro.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
They have so many they have so many celebrities that
attend their games, but I've never seen I've never seen
it done like this. Like part of me wants to
hate it, but then the other part of me, like,
you know, I like to believe I'm a serial entrepreneur.
I'm looking at that and I'm like, brilliant. When is
she brilliant?
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I'll say this though, if Taylor Swift has never seen
an NFL game, she's gotten some. She's gotten like three
straight turd burners. I mean, we're talking first of all Bears,
Chiefs was disaster.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
That's how you know it's so, That's how y'all know
it's the Jets and the Chiefs was ugly last night
was because the Jets could have beat them. The Jets
could have won that game.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But we all know the story could be written that way.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It could have been written that way. I didn't see
any crazy egregious penalty like missed penalties on in the
game last night, but I will say it's just interesting
that fate always is on Casey's side right now, like
the fumble, you're sitting there looking at it right now.
You got you got an opportunity to go down like Russ.
(09:12):
You got an opportunity to go down the field and
tie the game up. Right they could talk or was
there where it was they were still so at that
last drive? Okay it was nineteen eight. I was about
to say, what was the last drive? Yeah, well, anyway
they got the field, you had a chance to had
a chance to make it even more respectable.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know what Kansas City had a chance to do.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah the spread? Huh cover new points?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Cover them now, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I immediately texted Joab too, like what does that mean?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Because they said we did the over order with eleven, right,
but yeah, wasn't it at eleven or eleven?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And you did the point total which was what forty four? No,
I think lead throughout throughout eleven was the spread?
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Now, we talked about the spread, but the over under
was what we did on the game, which four we
also did Travis Kelsey receiving yards and you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Know I got that one, but I didn't I didn't
get the points.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I doubted the effectiveness of that toward all Nectar.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Again, I mean, there's only one person they had to stop, and.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They did stop him, So now they seem to stop everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And you know what I noticed?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Why though, did you see the play where he he
like kind of found a hole in his zone coverage, Yeah,
caught it and then pitched it out to Gray. Yes,
I'm convinced now after that little signbell came out that
Mahomes has no idea what Kelsey's doing.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like, you know, he said that only field, he.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Says a post interview.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, Like, I think he just does whatever he like
season zone coverage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And Mahomes is like, yeah, I'll.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Just eventually get him the football because he's so good
at finding soft spots in the zone coverage, like he
never like runs and stands stands next.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
To a guy.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
You you'll get young players in the NFL who are
so like, what's my job I've got to I've got
to run to the spot. I'm going to stand there.
And it's like, well, there's a defender standing there. They'd
be like, but yeah, but all get cut a final runs.
It's like no, no, no, no, you'll get cut if you
don't catch the ball when I throws to you when
you're open. But if you run to that spot and
(11:20):
that guy's standing there, you're not going to get the ball.
So you decide run to the open spot, not where
they're not where the spot is, or we draw it
up in a playbook and like that's what Kelsey does.
He just finds openings. Mahomes knows to find him, and
the rest is history.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Now, Patrick Mahomes did give credit where credit was due,
because there has been one side of the ball that
has looked vastly improved over what we've seen in years
past when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And that's the sense.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Well, yeah, Special Bucker was great last night, but here
was the Chiefs quarterback talking about the other side of
the ball.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Luckily for us, our defense is playing great, so we
can go through these growing pains and try to get
better and better. But I mean, the talent's there, you
can see it in spurts, but we have to learn
how to sustain drives, getting on the red zone, score
touchdowns and make it easier on our defense to play
a little bit more free.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So there he is defense balled out man, Chris Jones
is is he should be in the conversation Is there
a defense better in their offense right now?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, it's it's been the best part of their their
team the whole season.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They'd lock him. Man, I don't want to say it.
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I was about there every time.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Again, I am.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
Luckily for us our defense is playing great, so we
can go through these growing pains and try to get
better and better. But I mean, the talent's there, you
can see it in spurts, but we have to learn
how to sustain drives, getting on the red zone, score
touchdowns and make it easier on our defense to play
a little bit more free.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's so crazy to say that, because I was really
about to start doing this when I was talking to.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
But if he does karaoke, does he have any other
choice but to do Louis that's all the time, Like
he's got he's got one tool in his toolbox.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And it's said not have any comparisons, but you know.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's it's a wonderful world.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like he walks up to a karaoke bar in can't
downtown Kansas City, and then and they before he even
picks a song to go, all right here it is
it's a wonderful world.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Wait, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
World.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, he's got that's all he's got.
It's like there's some people who can just do pearl
jam because they have they can't reach a certain octaves.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
That's kind of like.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's just that that the entire time. That's not hoody, No,
it's not hoody.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
All right, all right, let's hear, let's hear Louis Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Luckily for us, our defense is playing great, so we
can go through the growing pains and try to get better.
But I mean, the talent's there, you can see it
in spurts, but we have to learn how to sustaine
I was getting on the red zone, score touchdowns and
make it easier on our defense to play a little
bit more free.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Like well done, by the way, he can't even.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
He can't even walk into a place and try and
bust Travis Kelsey's balls and do Taylor Swift because they're like, buddy,
don't even don't even try. You're getting Louis Armstrong and
that's just all you're getting. There's no other options for you.
But that so good, so good, so so there it is.
That is That is our coverage this hour of Thursday
night football to kick off week six. A little bit lackluster,
(14:34):
but you know, probably a good sign maybe we're gonna
get some good games over the course of the weekend.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. We also had the Danner Holgerson
Bowl last night, which was an epic finish on a
Hail Mary between West.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Virginia and Houston. Heartbreaker for one, yeah, but hey listen
heart beat for another. Yeah, but hey, Houston's way down
there in the rankings, I mean of their conference. That
Koog's are back after last night.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
All right, so, according to Josina Anderson of CBS Sports,
Deshaun Watson is not expected to play this coming Sunday
against the San Francisco forty nine ers at home. Now
apparently they're also going to be out Joel Botonio David
and Joku both of them are going to be out
(15:34):
as well too. So it feels like the odds are
pretty much stacked against the Cleveland Browns. But on the
subject of Deshaun Watson, it is a little curious, and
we've talked about this on the show, because he was
medically cleared according to his coach, to play against Baltimore
and then didn't play, and then they had a bye
(15:54):
week last week, and now he's got a game against
San Francisco this week and it's being described does a
bruised rotator cuff. So some people are questioning what's going
on here. And so his offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt
was asked about Deshaun Watson's toughness at practice yesterday.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I would never, ever, ever doubt his toughness. Never. I
would never doubt his toughness.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
I've seen him play, I've seen him do some amazing things,
fight through things. That is not the issue at all whatsoever.
If I'm a running back and I can't run full speed,
I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make it,
I might be cleared medically, but I can't operate, you know,
with my strength, which is my legs as a runner,
so same as a thrower.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
For him, I would never, ever, ever doubt his toughness.
He's tough his nails.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So there's the latest from the Browns coaching staff on
Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm curious as to how CU's going to approach this one.
I'm gonna sit back and spectate. Yeah, what kind of
intel you got, Bri, I've got none.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I mean, I only think I'd say, is it sounds
like there as they be hind the scenes and this
might shock you, they would know who Deshaun Watson's represented.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
All the Muliganah, So you had to if you had
to look at how he likes to kind of go
about protecting guys.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He kind of throws some things out to different sources
in the media. So Mary Kay Cabot comes out with
a report, you know, or oh, this is an injury
that you shouldn't be able to come back from him
for two to six weeks. Well, by the way, he's
three weeks removed from when the injury occurred. Now, okay,
let's start there. The second thing is then they're talking
about all medical experts. They had a medical expert who
(17:34):
talked about this who has not actually looked at Deshaun Watson,
but is claiming that like, yeah, he probably couldn't play,
or this is the time frame of which he couldn't play. Okay,
But typically what you see is his agent's trying to
look out for his best interest. He's going to the
media to kind of help without and getting out the messaging.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The truth is the fact that he's paid. And this
is very similar, in my.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Opinion, to load management in the NBA, where if guys
aren't feeling one hundred percent, they don't have to go.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
They have guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Deshaun Watson has a two hundred and thirty million dollars
guaranteed contract. No one can say anything to him, not
even a doctor who supposedly cleared him.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I mean, is that what we heard a couple of
weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, so, I mean we can listen to what coaches say,
we can read reports and so forth, But if the
medical doctor who's examining him cleared him, then it comes
down to, in essence, what degree that he feels close
to one hundred percent. And this is how I'll pass
the ball back to LeVar to talk about this subject. Hey, LeVar,
(18:45):
this deep into the season so far, is anyone playing
at one hundred percent?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Not one? Okay, I feel confidence saying probably not one.
Even backups that I haven't even seen playing time are
not at one hundred percent. I don't think one person
that is on an NFL roster is physically at this
point in the year at one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I'll ask this question.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If he's on a one year, two year deal where
you know there's not many guarantees involved, he's got to
prove it. And I know that's a hypothetical. He's playing,
he's probably playing right.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, he's not probably playing. He's He's asked yourself this question,
would you play if you were in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I've been at Cleveland Brown quarterback who's played where I
wasn't one hundred percent? Well, I've already been there, and
I know what it looks like when you try to
play through something doesn't play well.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
You know Baker Mayfield did this for Cleveland, Yes he did,
and you know maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
That factors into it maybe because of you know, the
fact that no one really gave him any appreciation that season,
or the benefit of the doubt that Deshaun Watson feels
like he's got to protect himself because so far it
hasn't been stellar and you feel like if he continues
to do this that maybe it'll only build to some
of the frustration with how he's played.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I wonder if Deshaun wat and David Mulagetta and Deshaun
Watson's camp arpissed at Kevin Stefanski for saying out loud
he was medically cleared, but he decided he couldn't go,
because that does give that does change the way you
look at this whole thing as opposed to, well, you know,
he's just not healing as fast as we thought to
Wait a second, you were cleared two weeks ago, you
(20:21):
had a bye week. It's not like you've been playing
since and you still can't give it a go.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Let me let me weigh in on that a little bit,
all right, So, first of all, you have to release
injury reports. So the fact that they said he was
medically clear, that's that's kind of if you ask me,
that's bare minimum you gave a bare minimum response to
what his his health status is. So it's not like
(20:46):
Stefanski came out and was like, well, he's clear to play.
I mean we were expecting him to practice. I mean,
it's just gonna come down to what you know Deshaun
wants to do. But if you're medically clear, then why
aren't you playing again? I'll say this being medically cleared.
(21:08):
If Stefanski wanted to throw shade, there's ways coaches can
word what they're saying in the reports or in their
interviews that would lend to you being able to draw
your own conclusion and it being maybe considered. If you're
a pro person getting healthy or you're a pro fan
(21:29):
of that player, that may sound offensive like oh, you're
trying to throw shade at him, you know what I mean?
But that isn't what happened here. Stefanski isn't throwing shade
at You said the dude was medically cleared. He didn't
play like we're gonna play it by air. You just
heard Van Pelt just say, doesn't question his toughness, So
they're in support of him. To me, that would make
(21:52):
me if I feel like my coach is putting his
trust in me, and I feel that from the coaches
to have I feel that from my relationship with my teammates.
If I'm physically able, I'm in here right now. I
got crutches like I'm If I'm physically able to go,
I've done the show with my grains. If I'm physically
able to go, I'm gonna go for my teammates bottom line,
(22:15):
like I'm gonna go whether I'm one hundred percent, whether
I'm not. Now, that doesn't mean he's wrong for what
he's doing. It doesn't mean he's wrong. If he's saying
he's protecting his interest. He just ain't cut the same
way if some some other guys. That's I just think
he's just cut different. And that might be what it is.
I might just be exactly what you're learning is that
(22:36):
he's just not built that way. And I don't know
that that's not a horrible thing. I just you know,
you're just not going to say a hero's return, you know,
I mean it just Superman go out there and protect
you know, the world out one hundred percent all the time.
Did Batman used to get his ass whipped?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Did he did? He always protect Gotham out one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Are you trying to say we should cut massage man
a little bit of a break here.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm not saying that what you're saying, I'm just saying
there's you know, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
there's different perspectives. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Are you saying that all those massages maybe soften them
up too much?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
His tissue might be a little too soft.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
It's like finding a ripe, right can what you're saying
you don't want to bruise it.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Your thoughts on a break? You certainly need that rotator
cuff to be able to move correctly.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It could be more, it's less a physical thing. Maybe
a mental thing about him harding.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Could be I mean, listen, I just I don't get it.
I just don't get it. I don't understand how you're
told you can play look with with you know, NFL
doctors on notice with what happened obviously with TUA and
concussions and all that, and there's been doctors that have
(23:58):
been sued or players that have suited team medical staffs
and whatnot that's happened over the past several years. When
people start talking about the safety issues in football, I
find it hard to believe that a medical staff would
clear somebody unless they weren't absolutely positive they were gonna
be okay playing with whatever aim.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
It does happen. That does happen, where a guy gets
cleared and he comes back too early and he reinjures himself.
It has happened, But I don't know that that's the
to me. I don't feel like that's the debatable point here.
I think the debatable point is is if you're clear
to play, I think that you should show some way,
somehow your teammates and in some cases even your fans,
(24:40):
that this matters. You know, it matters to you. I
think that the idea, the whole conversation is like you're
leaving them out to dry when there's probably other guys
that I mean, for all intents and purposes, I almost
could guarantee you if you were to do a health
evaluation on some of those offensive linemen that are protecting them,
I bet you they have worse injuries and they're not
(25:03):
even on the medical report. Real talk like some of
these famous can't even move.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
This isn't even something that I believe needs to be
surgically repaired from at least all reports and accounts that
whether they're putting them out or are being put out
from what the Browns are giving them. But there are
guys who, to Lvar's point, who literally put off surgeries
till the end of the season, and it's because they
can't afford to go on ir if they have what's
(25:30):
called an injury split where they get half of what
they're owed for the rest of the year, or they
need to stay on the active roster in order to
be able to have a shot and can make an
active roster the next year. And here's the thing is,
there's a lot of people out there who are probably
Watson fans, that are like, well, he's going to do
those situations, so it doesn't matter. But there is an
element of being a leader and playing through stuff and
(25:53):
fighting through stuff that does matter, that makes guys rally
for you, play for you as well, that does matter,
And that's an element of it that I wonder how
much is factored in. This is a game coming up
that has no conference or divisional ramifications. They're playing the
forty nine ers right arguably the best defense in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So you know, if he doesn't want to suit up
for it, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But say you're scared, that's all set, Well, I want
to wait.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
The problem is too, It's like.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
When Anthony Richardson goes out in Annapolis, you're kind of like, well,
they have Gordner minshew, he's got experience there.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He's he's a good player in the spot too.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
He's proven that, like he's going to be out for
a like Richardson will be out for a while, but
like they'll be able to survive. You don't feel the
same way with Cleveland and for that fan base.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
For me growing up as a fan, it's tough to watch.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
For me at having played quarterback there being in snaries
like this, it's tough to watch because you only get
so many shots. This is trying to capitalize on a
roster and making a run in the playoffs because once
you get in the playoffs, and who knows, if you
get hot teams going run all that, But you start
dropping some games because you don't have your starter out there,
(27:04):
a guy you're paying two hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed.
That's a problem, and you know he's got to you
can't make him want it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, he's got to be the one that want
to be out there.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Yeah, I just like LeVar you pointed out you were
working with migraines. If if we found out that you
were cleared by your doctor that you didn't have that
you were going to you could work and your migraines
wouldn't be an issue, and you still decided not to work,
I would just take that as, Oh, you just didn't
want to work, you just didn't want to do the show,
or I don't care enough about the show, so like
(27:37):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think that that's the point. Yeah, that's the point
that we're making. Like I find it.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
You know, there's got to be at least a handful
of players in that locker room who are like, wait
a second, So he just didn't want to play.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Maybe fourhands full of players, you know, and I would beforehand.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Let's be clear here, this isn't is a great point
for I know, we may come across as the Sean
Watson haters on this show we talking about, which I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I would not say we hate on him.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know, Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I mean, we may lubricate some of the conversations.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Wow, and I am hashtag team Mulaghetta here on this show.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Wow, I'm not a mulatto man. I've made that known.
But that has nothing to do with Deshaun wats.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
We may have to erect like certain conversations, Oh, you know,
to be able to dance around subjects.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
But like we we put it all on the table.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Exercise. You're you're given amendment rights, you know, different things. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna just leave it there. What do you mean
I'll just leave it there?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I mean, under the event about our fault, LeVar, we
try to bring the naked truth to the.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
People under the advice of my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
One advice lawyer, I serve my rights under the Fifth A.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Minute strikes me as a stand up guy, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Strikes me as a face down guy.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It'd have been better that way.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Maybe face up actually when there you.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Go, as far as you know, whether it's p J Walker,
dtr you know, I just hope they don't, you know,
stiffing up out there when they get the opportunity to
see those niners. So that's that's where we're at with
Sean Watson out conversation trying.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
To preview a game. We can't preview a game without
being judged. Just seeing real relaxed about how y'all talking
about this topic?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Man, Yeah, we are all right. I mean you can't
pull it all out at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh no, what? Oh no, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Waste that juice early on. Yeah, make sure you get
through all four courts.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh no, no, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh though.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Hey listen, this is the way this works. It is
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know what, Brady's done A good job.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I've done a good job. I feel like, LeVar, you're
going to take center stage here. So Brady, let's go
grab a towel and let LeVar have it from here.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
We do have a is that okay? Sam can say that? Sam.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
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Speaker 6 (30:41):
I didn't know that this was a feud, but apparently
this is now a feud, and it's wide receiver on
wide receiver crime. Now some would say that maybe it's
something else, but again that's not neither here nor there.
So last night before the game, Steve Smith, who is
an analyst for NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Network blame thrower.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
He was on the field and he was doing his
pregame report and Jerry Judy of the Broncos walked by,
and apparently there was some sort of interaction, some sort
of back and forth, and Steve Smith Sr. Explained himself
on the air as to why there was a little
bit of a contentious back and forth between him and
(31:25):
Jerry Judy for.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
A short while ago.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeh, Broncos wide receiver Jerry Judy was walking by and
Steve called out to him.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He got a different reaction.
Speaker 11 (31:33):
I called out to him because on my podcast cut
to it, I just talked about guys that maybe have
not showed up in a way or in the manner,
and so they weren't. That I've used to describe him
in the past was a jag just they got again.
And so when I saw him he's playing well, I
wanted to say to him face to face, like, hey,
(31:55):
I know I said some things in the past are
probably shouldn't have and I'm I'm sorry. That's what I
wanted to say to him. His response, Mike Robb and
Bucky he was ninja ninja. Yes, I'm using the word
ninja's I'm just using the word ninja who want to
mess with you?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And it was it was a curse word.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
And so I was like, all right, and then he
repeated it, so I'll say it again.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm sorry that I.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Said you were a jack, just a guy who's an
average wide receiver they used the first round pick on
that isn't doing anything. I hope today that you actually
show up in a way that you haven't showed up
in the last couple of years since they draft you.
So if you ever got a problem with aged eighty nine,
I'm sorry. For saying that you're an average wide receiver
that they eventually will move on. And when teams called
me and asking should they trade for you, I will
(32:43):
say no, don't trade for Jerry Judy because he's mentally
unable to handle constructive criticism from people who watch. Specifically,
can he be a wide receiver? He could be a
wide receiver. He's a Tier three. Go back into the studio.
I'm done now, thank you.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
He threw dah. You want to hear Jerry. You want
to hear Jerry Judy's response? Yeah, is Jerry Judy?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Let him have it. Postgame Jerry a little bit of
drama before the game with Steve Smith's senior and wondering
what your thoughts are on that right now?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Man, that was a tough lost.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Man.
Speaker 12 (33:20):
I feel like at the end of the game, I
feel like we could have we could have got there.
But you know, they had a good drive out in Jerry.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Steve sid said he had some kind of conversation.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
With you before the game.
Speaker 12 (33:31):
Did he did that not go well or based on
what he said on air on NFL network, I don't
remember that, you know, but like I said, you know,
it was a close game.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You just got to finish out the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Apparently, I mean, Steve Smith will whoop his ass. Even
to this day. I'm surprised Steve, Like, that's very cool
that Steve actually said I'm offering an apology, because that
ain't if you know, Steve, that ain't really Steve's m o.
Steve's m is you want to talk to talk to
Agent eighty nine. You can find me wherever it is
that I'm going to be, wherever my ten toes is down,
(34:06):
you can find me there and you could come see
me with it. That's Steve Smith. Steve is growing like
he's he's he's he's maturing into a too, a fine
older young young man out here, because I'll tell you
the old Steve Smith would have probably tried to lock
up with him on the field.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, but Jerry Judy doesn't have to accept his apology. No,
he does it, man, he does it, you know, and
Steve Smith.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But you know, but at the end of the day,
you don't have to have a derogatory response towards him either,
you know, really, if you don't, if you don't fool
with with Steve Smith and you don't like the criticisms
that he live bout but you know your way, which,
by the way, I mean, how many catches did Jerry
Judy have last night yet three? What was his yardage? Okay,
(34:52):
if you didn't like the criticisms, then you have every
opportunity to one do exactly what you did and the
post post press conference sound bites, which is just ignore
it or or do more like you can. You can
change people's criticisms because criticisms are on film. So if
(35:14):
you put different film on out there for critics and
analysts to look at, and then it changes the way
you critique and analyze what's taking place. So when he
made it personal in calling and to everybody out there culturally,
if you don't know what ninja means, it's another way
of saying the N word without saying the N word.
(35:34):
So if I call you ah, you know that the
whole you know Shanobi? Jeez?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean I thought I was being complimented when
someone called me that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I was like, yeah, I do feel kind of a child.
I feel like I can people. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, if yeah that I got well, I just figured
I put you guys a little bit up on game
on the fact that when he said he called out.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Do you feel like Judy took that personal?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
He? I mean, he had to have taken it personal
to say, you know, Shoby, I don't mess with you.
You know, if you don't, if you don't, if you
don't get away from me, Shanoby, you know what I mean?
Like he took it personal, and nobody wants to have
a God did you guys see the video?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Pregame like I didn't really understand that the article I
saw about this, because I might be with everyone else here,
I was like, where did this come from? I don't
really understand why, like anyone's mad at each other, Like
that's Steve Smith's job, He's paid.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
To give his opinion. He was a tremendous receiver.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Like well then that's where I'm like, all right, well,
I mean I wasn't really sure like how this all,
how this all came about, but then there was like
a video that was trying to confirm like yeah, Jerry,
Judy's like giving it to Steve Smith. Pregame like I
didn't hear anything that he I was in that video
that he would saying anything back outside of apparently what
(36:57):
Steve Smith said he said back to him in now.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I do wonder if Jerry Judy's got a little bit
of a red ass because Mark Schlareth also was critical
of the wide receiver play in Denver.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh, he wasn't. He wasn't as forgiving as as Steve Smith.
And I don't I don't see, I don't foresee Mark,
I don't fe I don't feel like Stink is going
to come out and issue an apology for what he said. Yeah,
he said quote I would cut.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Both of those guys talking about him in Courtland Sutton
with the way that they've played and not helping out
Russell Wilson. He went on to say that Jerry Judy
could not play on the teams I played on if
his life depended on it. He's not tough enough, he's
not focused enough, he's not good enough, he's not anything enough.
He said he could not play on our teams. Mike
Shanahan would cut him tomorrow. I would not have him
(37:46):
on my team.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So he laid into him and sold that man, he's
not a professional for using Steve Smith and you Steve Smith,
he said, you're not professional for one. So that Schla
went to Twitter and was like three for fourteen. Love
it when a dude who gets challenged by his quote
old head haters rises up to the challenge. And yes,
(38:07):
I'm talking about you, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
So maybe Jerry Judy is just a little defensive right
now because he's catching strays from you know, great former
NFL players.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And by the way, like two players that I know
for a fact are watching the tape. It's not like
guys are looking at a stat line and saying, oh,
this is like they're watching tape. They're watching what he's doing,
what he's not doing. And I think both just from
Noah Mark, just from knowing Steve, like they're well researched,
like they know what they're talking about. They're gonna be
(38:39):
the type of guys to be able to give you like, hey,
this is not just what I see on film. But
like I've talked to some other people too, Like if
Mark sitting there saying he's not focused, he's hearing that
from someone within the building that knows that too, that's
seeing that too, that's concerned about that.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
For Jerry Judy. So if you're Jerry Judy, you really
should take this more as.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
A wasteful yeah, wake up dog, like stop being so sensitive.
These cats are so sensitive these days. Man, they take
everything personal, Like why can't you be taught like Bruh
in my day, Like I'll give you a great example.
My rookie year. I came in out of shape. Brian
Mitchell first one seeing me, said, you look like you're pregnant.
You about six months about to have a baby. A presson, right.
(39:20):
He did make it personal and I didn't like that,
and it drove me personally. And then I got in
the training camp and I was having like anxiety attacks,
couldn't really breathe and stuff like that, and it was
just bad. And and then you know, Bruce Smith was like,
if you don't get your non football playing ass up
out of the way, get out of my way, Like
he was upset with me, Get get out of the way, hey,
(39:43):
turn get him out right. If I'm sensitive. If I'm sensitive,
I fold my tent. I talked trash like I'm the
number two overall. Pick f you like I got I
got mine, Like like, I don't you old? You washed up?
Like out of my face. Bruce took that. I took
that as as incentive. I took that as motivation, like
(40:06):
be motivated if somebody I've always wanted. My whole reasoning
for feeling good about and this is just personal, my
whole reasoning behind going into the games and playing the
game the way that I did is so that guys
who played before me and guys that played with me,
we we had a mutual respect. By the time that
game was over, or by the time you saw the
(40:28):
film of me, when you're studying my film, you were like,
that's a guy, Like what Steve Smith said, that's a
guy that dude right there. He's a game wrecker. He's
an impact player. That's what I always wanted. So if
somebody that I want to say good things about me
doesn't say good things, in fact says something that is
not good, take that as as as a challenge because
(40:50):
we all been there. Like we've all been there. I
went on to go to three Pro Bowls after that year.
Me and me and Bruce became the closest of friends,
like we we traveled together, like we sat in the
same road together. Most times, take it as a challenge,
like stop being so god dang sensitive about even with
(41:11):
social media and how you got all this goes two ways.
You got one group of people that sit there and
just gas you up, gas you, gas you, protect you
attack everybody says anything. Then you have the other ones
that say jump off of a bridge, kill yourself, do
something crazy to yourself, and have just tremendous You know,
what is it? Vitriol towards you, like straight hate towards you.
(41:31):
It is what it is, man like. But if it's
somebody that you can respect, that has been there and
has walked in the in the in the path and
has had the journey that you're on, man, take it
for what it is worth.
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