October 19, 2023 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady breaks into the Notre Dame locker-room with Matt Leinart. Rumors resurface of Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams becoming a package deal for the NFL. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks about the biggest headlines in the league and goes toe-to-toe with LaVar to preview Ohio State vs Penn State.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arrington, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on Box
Floors Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So it is getaway day on our way to Columbus
for the big event Penn State Ohio State this weekend.
But we are going to be at the Graduate Hotel
in Columbus, Ohio. We'll be staying at Homage Bar. Come
hang out. It's brand new. They've got it all dialed in.
It's got a vintage look to it. The pictures there
look awesome, by the way, all the all the designs.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Grabbing a handoff, grabbing that hand.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We should get that blown up though. See if we
can piss some people off with that. Yep, throw that up.
Are you going to be decked out in Penn steak
here tomorrow for the crowd?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I break out the letterman jacket man from what I hear?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hell yeah, let's see that bad boy on you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean, why not?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I assume yours is blue, right, like a navy blue
or like your color of blue.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
My arms are white, but my but like the chest
of its blue, my body is blue.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, So here's the thing, Like when Leoner wore his
last week. I was like, hold on a second, your
jacket's black, Like, that's not a color for USC. I
thought it was gonna be like cardinal, like the whole thing,
and then like the lettering would be in yellow or
whatever they call that color.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But it was. I was like, I don't know, man,
it's kind of it's looking kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
High school is so you and Matt Lionard set off
the alarms at the Notre Dame locker room. Okay, so oh.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
This is the backstory.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
We had gone to the field to film and literally
walk through on the field the two thousand and five
game in the last two series, like when we had
the football our drive down that field, which by the way,
one of the things that like no one ever talks about.
If you ever go back and watch like the our
offense's final drive the field, go look at this I
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had on that drive. I try so the first play
I dropped back throw a slant to Samarja. We gained
ten or whatever ends up fifteen whatever net being first down.
We come back when the same play, like we knew
they had a hard time. They played a lot of
cover too. They had hard time covering slants. Well, this
time I dropped back. I think it was Keith River
dropped underneath it, and so the initial window wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I just took off running.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I got absolutely demolished by someone like was looking out
of my ear hole. That's like I got hit so
hard by the helmet was turned sideways, like flattened, and
I but I dumped it off this Jeff before that
he catches it runs again for the other first down.
I remember getting up and literally like grasp my face,
like looking like trying to get my helmet adjusted, and
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probably saw some stars and just went on with the
drive and like like to this day, I've never heard
anyone talk about it, but I just remember walking up
to it thinking I would think I was concussed for
like the last portion of that while. But we walked
through what happened that night, and then as we're going up,
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Matt's like, hey, can I see the locker room? I said, yeah, sure.
I was like, what, we'll go on inside, and the
young woman who was with us, she was like recently hired.
She goes, well, I can get a sin, but I
don't know the alarm code. I was like, alarm code
and I was like, there's no alarm code. I was like,
come on and mind you. When I was there my
first two years, like we used the stadium as everything,
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so that was our locker room for everything, like practice, games, everything,
and most places then would build a separate facility to
practice and work out and all that, so you'd have
two lockers, one in the game, you know, one in
the stadium for games and one for practice.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
We didn't have that yet.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So like when I was there, I was like, yeah,
there's no alarm in here. So sure enough, she unlocks it,
we go inside, the alarm goes off. I'm like, oh crap,
there is an alarm. So at that point, I'm like,
well we're popcummitted, Like we'll just handle if the police
or whatever show up. When they show up, so I,
you know, give Matt a tour of everything. He's obviously
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covering stuff for his social media content. And then as
we walk out, as I told him, I was like,
I guarantee you there'll be like two cop cars that
ended up showing up. And sure enough there's like two
cop cars can flying up and I've got to explain
to these officers basically how I told this poor young girl,
I was. I convinced her that there's not an alarm,
it's just something that they tell new employees, and clearly
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I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No problem, Brady, all right, how quick was the response from?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Very fast?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Very fast? Yeah, yeah, they know their priorities. Good right,
I mean sure, can.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You imagine the amount of value in that building?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, you got.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
The funny thing is like, the funny thing is it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I don't know why, but in my mind I was like, oh,
this is gonna be some complex alarm or something our system.
But it was like the type of alarm like you'd have,
like a d T like in your house. It was
like the same sound, the same little thing you'd press
on the wall. I thought it was gonna be a
lot more complex than that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It was not.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It was just like a normal alarm that you'd have
in your home, which kind of makes sense since it's,
you know, the house to rocking building.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
You know what would be interesting if you put an
equipment manager, a head coach, a few lettermen, a few
current players, a trainer, and the chef that works in
the building and tell them that the building is on
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fire and you only have time to grab one to
two items. Where do you think people would run to
What do you think people would run to get if
they could only if they only had time to run
and grab two or three items out of out of
the building.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Don't keep They don't keep as much in the stadium
anymore as they used to. But I could assure you
one thing. They would go grab the play like a
Champion today. Sign everyone that we're on the same page.
You're on the right page like Jonas is. But but
Jonas would be running in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I think people would scatter to different directions. I'm going
from all American.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Pictures, all that stuff in our pactice facility.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now right right is the now the play like a
Champion sign? Is that?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
How is that hung up on the wall? Is that glued?
Speaker 8 (06:43):
There?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is that is easy to get on?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
They just use Elmer's, Like, it's really shocking all these
years it's last.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm going to say maybe some vel grow or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I actually think they've got a glue stick, you know,
like the little glue stick used to use back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
In the day.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean makes sense those worked for everything.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Growing up in school, I honestly thought it was painted
on the wall. You ate some of that, huh. I
didn't know it was that was That's a true story
for me.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I thought it was painted on, like you guys go downstairs, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Thought it was painted on there. I didn't know it's
a hit sign.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
It's it's it's bolted on. It's been that way for.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
A long time, especially as hardest guys hit it. But
it's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I mean, that was one area that I did not
I did not let Matt come even close to good for.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You, good for you?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Well, listen, we don't have anything like that. We did,
but it's gone now like we didn't. We didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So no, there's that we are well yeah, man, Speaking
of USC. Could be some changes in the USC now.
This was discussed yesterday with Dan Patrick. He had, you know,
read a report that was out from Scott wool who
covers the USC Trojans for Inside USC, and he's not
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Scott Wolfe's not a really well like guy locally by
people well because he calls out USC on their bs
all the time. And the only show that I hear
him on or have heard him on, he may have
been on some other ones. Is on with Petros and
money on the blowtorch am five to seventy LA Sports
because Petros Papadakis has a little bit of the same
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reputation that he's not afraid to call out USC on
their bs And so Scott Wolfe had a report that
came out yesterday that said, in NFL coaching circles, the
talk is that Lincoln Riley is putting out feelers to
take a job in the NFL next season. This chatter
was going around even before USC's lost to Notre Dame,
and the word is Riley would be open to an
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NFL job if he could follow Caleb Williams to the
same franchise. If the Chicago Bears had the number one pick,
it would probably be ideal for this theory. So that
is a report out from Scottland. It's nuts. It sounds like,
I don't know, I've heard that somewhere before, like a
few months back.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, wow, didn't I say this to you all a
few months back? And speculating all that, And I mean,
I'll continue to say it. I think Washington's the most
interesting one. Now, their record may not put them in
a position to take him number one overall if he
indeed is still viewed as the number one quarterback in
this class. But you have new ownership, you have a
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head coach who I think is is liked as.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well liked in Ron Rivera.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
But if they don't get the results, I think people
can make the excuse, Hey, new ownership, we can move
on from this. And it makes sense. It's where Caleb
is from. You're trying to drum up interest in that franchise.
That would be one way.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of doing it. That would be big.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm really interested to see what happens with Washington the
rest of the season. They don't have that much committed
in Sam Howe. He's played well at times this year.
But if you could get Caleb Williams, that changes a
lot of dynamics of things. So I said earlier, and
even as just applies moving forward. If you're Lincoln Riley,
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clearly those two have a strong relationship. He got him
to come to Oklahoma, he got him to go to
Southern cal That's right. You know they would love to
work together, and I think that would be good for
Caleb Williams early on is knowing that system right away.
I think you would see him trip, and he wouldn't
have as big of a jump as a lot of
other quarterbacks who have to learn a different system. The
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biggest question would be whether or not Lincoln Riley is
an offensive play caller would be able to have the
impact that he's had in college at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And one of the other portions of this article from
Scott Wolf says that the other part of the theory
is that an NFL team would tell Riley who to
hire from a defensive standpoint on the defensive staff to
avoid some of the pratfalls that have happened in college
because the defense has.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
See To me, that kind of takes away from the
credibility of the article, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Is that a shot?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Are you taking a shot at how bad their defense
has been playing? Like you could have left that out.
You didn't have to put that in the in the article.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Remember, like I threw this out to Petros a couple
of weeks ago and just said, hey, Petros, does Lincoln
Riley coach one single snap or one single game in
the Big Ten for USC? And he said, well, look,
I mean, you know, maybe he makes a jump or
something like that. But he said, and he pointed out
the defense, like their defense is a problem and if
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you're in.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
The trenches are a problem. I mean, let's let's be
real for a second. They couldn't beat Utah last year.
They lost h twice. They Flaminggan this year without Cam
Rising easier task for them, especially hosting him at home.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
But if they can't make it past the Utah's.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
The Oregans some of the other teams in the Pac twelve,
how are you going to stand up versus Ohio State
and Penn State and Michigan. And that's not to mention
teams like Wisconsin that you have a similar build to
what Utah is. Oriowa or I Yeah, Iowa for that matter,
although I think we've seen games or.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Then next year Maryland, you know, it's just I believe
they will be competitive, but it's going to be a
different brand of football and it'll be interesting to see
who has to adjust to who like and if Lincoln
Rally is still there. I think it's more it's more
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running gun type of deal. Obviously they've shown that it's
not more about stopping guys and playing more traditional type
of football. It's it's it's just it's driven by offense.
And by point production and and sometimes it's like that
in the in.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But you have to be able to switch styles, you know,
if if if it doesn't, if it doesn't work out
today that big plays and explosive plays are are the
thing that's working today. You got to be able to
be in a in a brawl. You got to be
able to to take the punches. You got to be
able to melt. That's the Big Ten. That's classic Big Ten.
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You gotta deal with the purdues you got. You can't
really take a week off. You can't be like, oh, yeah,
this is this team. Yeah we yeah, that's like I
feel like we should. We can, but as a fan,
but you just can't. You know, you go visit Purdue
and and and Purdue you can lose. You know, you
go visit Illinois and Champagne, you can lose. And And
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to me, that's what I've always I've always enjoyed that
about the Big Ten is that you can get depending
on what style of football is being played, and if
you're considered to be a little bit more finesse. I
won't say soft, but if you have a little bit
more finesse, say it if you're soft. Yeah, it could.
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It could come back to haunt you. I mean, it
hasn't too much for the most finestful team in the ten,
but it possibly could.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Do you guys think Lincoln Riley coaches at USC after
this year, because I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I do. I don't I do I think he does.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'll say this, if you look at what he's been
able to do so far between last year and this year.
And by the way, it's weird, like you will see
just lost for the first time this season, and granted
they got pounded, but it feels like they've lost twice now.
It's so odd how people are talking about this team,
like if we're being real as bad as they look
this past Saturday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
It's one loss.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah yeah, well and look and we can always say
what if with the loss, but right like it's their
only loss, and we're acting like they've already lost twice
they're out of it, like they might as well move
on to next year. It's it's kind of bizarre. I mean,
if Caleb Williams plays better in any game, like he's
always going to give them a chance. So look, I'll
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say this, the biggest concern I have for Colorado or
excuse me, jeez.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So for Southern Cal moving on in the future.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Is what do what does this team look like if
they don't have the best player in college football because
he won it last year, he'll be up for the
Heisman this year. That's been holding this whole thing together.
Petro says it on Wednesdays. If they're a six to
seven win team, if Caleb Waives is in their quarterback,
he might not be too far off from that. And
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the question becomes like, all right, let's say you're Lincoln
Riley and I've already heard rumors that, you know, maybe
cam Ward that's for there or whoever else that's a top.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Quarterback, right, I want to transfer there if they have eligibility.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Okay, but they're not gonna be Kitleb Williams. As good
as they might be, they're not gonna be Kaitleer Williams.
And is that gonna be enough to allow to be competitive?
Like I think now more than ever because the narrative
with Lincoln Riley and.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Great offenses, Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks couldn't really get the
defense to come along.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You know, now he's at USC two years now, we've
kind of said the same thing that went to the
portal hit it hard both years.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, kind of still seeing the same thing.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I wonder if he doesn't mind trying to go now
and this is the right time up to the NFL
level where the talent's more equated and he could try
to exercise his XS and o's versus the best in
the NFL. With Caleb Williams as a quarterback as a
package deal. We kind of saw in Arizona, didn't It
looked like it was working out early, then it didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But maybe this would be different.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I want, I do wonder how the impact of other
college coaches maybe not working out. We'll play a role
in the thought process behind Lincoln Roley being a head
coach in the NFL.
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Speaker 4 (16:39):
Hey, why is Mike McDaniel's upset?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
He's upset?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Why is he upset?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, because some candy ass in the media thought it
would be a good idea to go ahead and pull
the Brock Party onto a tongue of by Lowa to
try and make the assumption that well any both call
oh yeah, try to anybody could do it in your system.
And Mike McDaniel, Levar's guy got pissed off yesterday to
press covern for some folks.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Who believe that many quarterbacks in this scheme with you
as the coach, with Tyreek and Jalen, maybe even many
many quarterbacks would excel, would flourish near the top of
the passer raider leading MVP candidate.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What if any pushback is their relatives to waiting on
a hold.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
On a little bit of the Christmas podium over. My
answer to that would be who the f cares? Because
it's it is a team. We're working together, and I
know one thing of coach stuff a long time. I
haven't seen people do what our guys do now.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
He did go on to say, as a teammate, we're
all dependent on each other. I'm not in any hurry
to prove myself without those guys, because those are part
of who we are. To say it's this person or
that person is kind of missing the point. It's a
team working together, so on and so forth, and good
for him? Why do we do this crap? Who cares
to these product of the system? What do you want
to do? Trade himself? Like I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We say to go play for another team.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right, go prove yourself in a bad organization. Okay, Like
why do we do this?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
And this goes it's it's because we're dumb, Like we're
all dumb, Like we're all we're humans and we just
we we need like little things to debate about and
argue about. I mean, I've said this forever, Like the
tag of always a system quarterback, It's like like that's
a compliment to anyone who's a part of probably a
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good offense, a good team, or good organization. Like there's
only maybe a handful of guys in NFL history who
could have went anywhere and been successful or you know,
been a Pro Bowl caliber player.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
That's just the truth.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I know people don't want to hear that, but like
it's a circumstance you enter into in the NFL is
paramount to even your own ability as a player. It
just is like I'm sorry. If people wanted to baby,
that's fine, but you're wrong. Like if you go into
a terrible organization with a terrible team and nothing around
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you on offense, and you don't fit in pieces that
you can't work with it, they try to make you
do things you're not good at.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You're not going to succeed.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And I think Mike McDaniel when he got to Miami,
he invested a lot of time in figuring out ways
of helping to Tonguo bay Low and become the player
that you've seen now in the past.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, two seasons really what he's.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Healthy and utilizing Jalen Waddle and all the speed they've
gotten the roster to put him in positions to succeed.
That's a great coach. That's what good coaches do. That's
what every coach should do. And so it's always I
should say it's it's not surprising or shocking by by
any means.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
But we get to the point of season we're like, yeah,
we just we got to toy a.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Round and throw it on different ideas because we can't
compliment brock Party for what he's done. Kyle's offense, we
can't compliment too and we've got a let our minds
wand or too, well, what would they switch?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Would they be as good with it still it's like, yeah,
probably you won't know why.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
They probably both excel at either place because if you
switch them, Kyle would work the two his strengths and
Mike would work to block pretty strengths.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And they're both talented rosters.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
They're both great situations, so they both probably excel whether
they're both in San Francisco and Miami or they swapped.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, that's the truth of the matter, because they're good
situations to be in.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I just I hate how we have to dissect this
and make it a bigger deal than it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I mean, what do you want me to say? I listen.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
That's that's kind of my sentiments of it. I think
if you're if you're able to be good and at
the pro level, there are a lot of elements that
play in and into that. You know, is the is
the organization? Like I always start, just because of my experience,
I always start with is it a healthy organization? If
you if it's a healthy organization, then even players that
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aren't necessarily going supposed to be great can end up
being great. I watched that through the years in Pittsburgh.
You know, you'll see a guy that it's like Oh,
they weren't very highly talented touted coming out of coming
out of college. You know, might even been a traveler,
you know, been a backup or maybe found their way
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to the starting position, but eventually ended up being an
All Pro Pro Bowl caliber player, you know, in the
system and the schemes that they were playing in. I
just always felt as though, if if you play for
a team and you're a player that can make it
to the NFL, if you're playing for a team that
knows what their DNA is, they're generally going to bring
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in guys that fit the DNA of what their team is.
And and so the skill sets and the things that
you're looking for, you're generally looking for players that fit
that coming into the scenario. Now, if you're a coach
that comes in and we always say it's not your guy, Well,
if you're one of those type of coaches, then you
have to decide the people that.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You arelready have there. Are they you're, You're you're Gucci?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You know, are they are You're, are they your Louis
Vuitton luggage or are they not? And then you go
from there and if you can do it, then you
do it. But I've always thought it was. It's pretty
cool when if you think about just like you throw
Tom Brady out there, you know, Tom Brady wasn't he
didn't go high, he wasn't one of the top qbs
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in our draft class.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And by the way, he also had the same narrative
about him early on. Well it's just what's around him?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well that was that was not just early though, right,
Wasn't it still even a debate after he left, like
who was it? Was it the chicken or the egg?
You know what I mean? Was it Bill or was
it Tom? So you know, and I think that's just
something that's naturally a part of sports, like who's the greatest?
Compared these too, who are the greatest? Well, why can't
they just both be the greatest? You know, Like why
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can't they just be the both? Like both be that?
But that's just what we you know, there's certain things
we like one in sports and for some reason, system
players like oh he can run the ball, or oh
he can he gets a lot of sacks, or oh
he can throw for a lot of yards on one gay,
Oh it's the system.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Like all right, you know, it's like you're only a
good parent because your kid's cool. All right, well, let
me give him up for adoption, improve myself with a scumbag. No,
I got to do this right, just so everybody says, no, no, no,
you've done it at all facets. If two, If this
works out for two and he can spend the rest
of his career there in a great system, who the
hell wouldn't want that? If brock Perty can spend the
rest of his career in a great system with Kyle Shanahan,
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who the hell wouldn't want that? Like like, why is
this a no.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Early out the gate?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yes? Like if you brought party and you you.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Stumbled upon Kyle Shanahan where he's at in his career
and the way they've put together things for now today.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Think about how long it took Alex Smith to find
the right system he was taught. They were talking about
Alex Smith, like, oh he's a bust Oh Alex Smith,
Oh man, what a waste of a number one pick?
And it took him years and he found found the
right system, and the guy became a multiple time pro
bowler and became a really good player. Like the idea
that you got to dock these guys because they found
themselves in a good spot. I just I don't get it. Yeah,
(24:11):
Jared Goff's another one, Like I don't get it, Like
what do you want to do? Like have to swim
through crap just to prove like, oh I can make
this happen. I just it's very weird.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So you know Neil O'Donnell damn right.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Damn right?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I yeah, hell yeah, Oh, Bubby yeah yeah, Bernie Cozar.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
Bernie talked to me, my guy, Bernie Burnie, Kelly Holcomb,
Kelly Holcomb. Spurgeon win, Yeah, little Spurgeon win, Little Spurgeon.
Little Timmy Couch. That's my guy, your guy, Tim Couch,
that guy.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Butch Davis was the coach of that Cleveland Brown team
that went to the playoffs, right, didn't Did they lose
that playoff game against Pittsburgh? They beat them in that
playoff game. Didn't they play the Steelers in a playoff game?
Almost positive? I don't know. And it was Tim Couch
and it was Kelly Holcomb who were the quarterbacks for Cleveland. Which,
by the way, there was a I saw the reair
(25:13):
of the special on the Miami Hurricanes from the early
two thousands. Yeah, so it was from the early two thousands,
and I was thinking about this, Who would you guys
say would be favored neutral field early two thousands, Hurricanes
or those USC teams. I don't care that Brady played against,
(25:35):
you think so, Yeah, damn they were loaded a lot
of great players.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah they were. That was a bad That was a
bad group, man.
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we are going to have some over unders coming up
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But for all the latest from around the world of sports,
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Speaker 12 (26:15):
All right, thank you, Jonas. We will get you caught
up on some postseason baseball. It was Game three the
America League Championship Series. Some runs were scored in this
one in the end Houston gets the eight five victory.
Jose al tuove two HiT's a solo homer, Jordan Alvarez
had two hits and two runs driven in, and Martin
Maltino also a two RBI. Game four Houston in the win.
(26:36):
Texas starter Max Shir's are a lot five earned runs,
five hits in four innings of work. He took the loss.
Houston continues to get it done on the road in
the postseason, last ten postseason games for them. Nine to
one is their record for Texas. They came in seven
to zero this postseason before the loss, their first, and
they still have the two to one series advantage. Road
teams won every game so far in this series. We
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had a couple of any games. Last night Red Wings
over the Penguins sixty three, the Senators all over the
Capitol six to one. As far as NFL News, Jaguars
quarterback Trevor Lawrence says he's optimistic about playing at tonight's
Thursday night game in New Orleans against the Saints. The
Jacksonville Quarterbacks suffered a sprain knee on Sunday, officially listed
as questionable for tonight's game. Madapoles Colts made an official,
their number one pick from this year. Quarterback Anthony Richardson
(27:21):
will have season ending shoulder surgery. Browns quarterback de Shaun
Watson says he has a strained roadchator. Cuffy's day to day.
Didn't practice Wednesday. Neither did Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo as
he's still recovering from that back injury. Bears quarterback Justin
feels doubtful for Sunday's game against the Raiders with a
thumb injury. If he cannot go, then it will be
Tyson Bagent getting his first NFL start against Las Vegas
(27:43):
Aerzon Ccardinals activate quarterback Kyler Murray off the physically Enable
to perform list. He practiced for the first time since
December twelfth of last year, and New York Jets are
trading wide receiver Mcole Hartman back to the Kansaity Chiefs
for six and seventh round picks in twenty twenty five.
He had spent the last five seasons in Kansasity before
joining the Jets this off season, and now he's heading
back to Kansas City. Now back to LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
(28:06):
Jonas Knox, the Tirach dot Com, Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
By the way, I think Tyson Beijing, I think I
have this correct. His dad is like a world champion
arm wrestler almost positive kind of go.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
It sounds like a Chicago Bears quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, kind of yeah, just let some you know, I
don't know if he's Yeah, can you fact check that
that is correct? Jonason? Is it world champion arm wrestler.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
Yeah, they've been showing the highlights of it on the
NFL network.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
How jacked is he?
Speaker 12 (28:35):
He looks I mean he's stacked in, but he's not
you know.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Huge, stacked and shacked.
Speaker 12 (28:42):
Yeah, they had some he was at the Senior Bowl
I guess it was, and they had him arm wrestling
some weed from the NFL network and just well, I mean, yeah,
I don't know what the guy. I don't know who
the guy has been. He was using two hands to
try and you know, pull over, and he's just like
smiling at him, talking, you know, to him while he's
he's doing it, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Just buy is over the top a good movie or
just a movie that only guys like.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
It's actually a great movie?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is it really? Are we just romanticizing it and it's
not that great.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Of a movie.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, it's great, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You don't remember Over the Top.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You don't remember flipping the switch, troming the hat back around.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
I do, I do. I remember like the parts of it.
I just don't remember it remember it like I don't remember, Like,
when's the last time y'all seen Over the Top?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
God, like a year and a half. It was on
the studio, really, I mean probably?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (29:34):
So was he was? He trying to win like the
love of his son by arm wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Something like that, And you remember he would like he would,
he would take his fingers and wrap him over the
top of the other guy's hand when he really wanted
to make a statement and win the match.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Which seemed a little bit illegal at the time.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, it's like thumb wrestling, you know, using one of
your other fingers when your thumb wrestling, you can't do that.
But for some reasons of us just alone could do
that one damn right, I would, and.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Where I don't have super long fingers, So I've never
really liked thumb wrestling.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
That upsets me.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's upsetting, especially when you get a against
somebody who has a really, really long thumb, and then
you see how much longer their thumb is than yours.
And then I just keep my thumb up like I'm like,
you know, hitchhiking. I do the hitch hiking thumb, and
I just hold it firm so that they can't get
my thumb down because my thumb is too small to
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get their loan thumb.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I mean, who you are wrestling, Freddy Krueger, who's got
to really wrestle thumb wresm? Like, who's got a really
long thumb?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Man, you'd be surprised, Like you'd be surprised how many
people have like super long fingers.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Man.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
You don't have to be like a very impressive specimen
of a person to have long fingers. But if you
have long fingers, you definitely have the advantage of thumb wrestling.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I heard take like that Pedro Martinez has a really
big fingers and that that's what made his change up
that he would throw so devastating because he would get more,
you know, more action on the change up.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Are they small heads?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Well, you know they said that's why Michael Jordan was
so good because of his thumb. Like the hes he
explained it one time, like the space in between his finger,
his pointer and his thumb.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know that's why he was good.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, because the way he was able to control the ball.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
And then who was Chris Chris uh, the fall guy?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Chris Chris, Chris Carter. Chris Carter. The same thing about
with his thumb.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He worked his out though, didn't he I already like
bet his thumb all the way down. Did try to
make make it easier to catch.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yep, geez, he stretched his fingers out.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's commitment. Well, there you go to stretch, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
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Speaker 12 (31:58):
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Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right now, we welcome in the pride of Ohio State
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB and you
can get them on Twitter or x or whatever they're
calling it at Albert Breer Albert Big Week four and
a half point favorites. As you get ready for Saturday's
(32:51):
Top seven matchup against Levar's Penn State Nitney Lyons.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Now, were doing, good morning, So you gonna address me
first right.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Out the gate? All businesses?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yeah, that's that's interesting. I'm good, Albert. How are you doing.
Speaker 13 (33:10):
I'm good, guys, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Just how you feeling? Maybe how we looking at the game?
You feel confident?
Speaker 13 (33:16):
I would say, I would say I'm a little uncertain.
Speaker 14 (33:18):
Although Brady's team made me feel a lot better about
our win a month ago because that Notre Dame defense
looks chelsy, and so it made me feel a little
bit better about you know, our quarterback and we're a
quarterback he is going into this game and a pressure situation.
Speaker 13 (33:36):
And uh, and I think I think our defense is
pretty good, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I want to further on this discussion, though, if let's
just play this out, Okay, If Ohio State does lose
depend State as an alum, how hot is the seat
in your mind for Ryan Day, I.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Would get back to May five weeks after that.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Okay, So so this theme doesn't matter as much it's
really about Michigan.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
No, no, no, no, it doesn't. It does matter. You
know why it matters, Brady, because I think you can't.
It is about Michigan, but you can't fall the third
in the division. I think that that's sort of the
underlying thing is, you know, I think it is about Michigan,
and I think it will be about Michigan and it
will continue to be about Michigan because I mean, you
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grew up there, you know, you know, like that's just
what it is. But I think the heat gets turned
up even more so, and there's even more pressure on
them to win in an Arbor. Not that the party
isn't a lot, but there's even more pressure to win
it in Arbor if they don't beat Penn State, Because
I mean I might be mistaken here, LeVar, but I
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think Penn States are relatively young too, Like they're good,
but they're also young, right, Like, so you know, now
you're looking at you know, Drew Aller coming back next year.
They're back's going back next year, I Piil Carter, It's
coming back next year, like, so you know, I think
that what I know about people in Columbus and everything else,
I think losing the Penn State would go beyond it
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being a Michigan problem. Now you'd be talking about the
trajectory of the program. So I think it's a big one.
And you know, it's for a lot of different reasons
for this this year's team, but also for where the
program at is right right now and Ryan Davis fifty
are in charge.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Albert, we got to keep it in the state of
Ohio because we're trying to figure out the hell's going
on with Deshaun Watson, all right, Like his coach comes
out and says he's medically cleared to play a couple
of weeks ago, he doesn't play, there's a bye week,
doesn't play last week. Now there's no timetable on the
return with this rotator cuff issue, Like, what are you
(35:47):
hearing from people you've talked to Yeah.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
I mean, so first I would start with, you know,
the coaches and his team major and they say that
she has been good, you know, I I that was
my first thing when I when when you look at
something like this, it's like, okay, like is is is
the player in question in some way gone the other
way and he is? Is he turning into an independent contractor?
(36:12):
And I don't get that sense much talking to his coaches,
his coach and say his attitudes in there. I talked
to TJ Walker after the game on Sunday, and you know,
PJ said justun was super helpful with him and getting
him ready to go, and so I think he's still
in a good spot with the organization. As for like
the injury itself, you know, I know, it's a frustrating thing,
(36:33):
you know, for people to follow, because it's like, Okay,
it's gonna If it's not this week, then it's going
to be next week. And then he gets next week
and he's not out there in the practice field. The
feel I've got this is truly a week to week thing,
and because of this throwing shoulder, they want to be.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Careful with it, you know, for some.
Speaker 13 (36:49):
Of the same reasons why the Colts decided to shut
Anthony Richardson down, you know, and and so like there's
a pain tolerance, uh component to this, there's a functionality
component to this, you know, And I I wish I
had a better answer for you, but you know, and
I know it's frustrating for people, especially you know in
Northeast will hire to hear this. But it's like from
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everything I can gather, it's truly a week to week saying.
And you know, it can be how Deshan feels when
he wakes up in the morning, which you know makes
it difficult for the team to plan going forward to
anything else. But I know, like the hope going into
this week was that he would play on Sunday. We'll
see where it goes.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Abe, Well, how do you feel about the game tonight?
What are you looking for? I mean, you got a
five hundred team, you got a team that that is
mentioned earlier about you.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They're trending up.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I still have questions and you know in my mind about.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Jacksonville, but what what are you looking for out at Jacksonville,
New Orleans tonight?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
I love where the Jaguars are LeVar like I am,
you know, like, if you look at the stretch that
they're that they're in the middle of right now, it's
pretty brutal. You know, from a travel perspective. They played
back to back games in London, they were over there
for eleven days, they come back, they play a home game,
and now they're playing a.
Speaker 14 (38:06):
Road game on a Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, So within what.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Is it, like less than twenty one days, they're gonna
have played four games, travel to and from the UK
and then you know, playing a road game on a
on a very short week.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
You know.
Speaker 13 (38:23):
And I know, like you know, internally, like they feel
like the way the team has kind of taken this
on has been sort of a flashpoint for the group
in the building that like they really feel like the
way they've kind of come together and you know, been
able to put together three wins in a row and
now come into this game against New Orleans with a
chance to go into to their mini buy so to speak,
(38:44):
at five and two really could be a launching point
for the rest of their season. And I think, you know,
a couple of young players coming around, obviously Trevor, you
know Trevor, I you know, that big throwing Mede against
buffalo down the sideline to Calvin Ridley to close the
Bills out, like he checked to that like that was
supposed to be, you know, a safe underneath play. I
think it was on the third four, and you know
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he sort of showed the competitor in him and taking
the shot, checking to the shot in that play and
then making the throw he did. So we're seeing those like,
all right, Trevor's taking the next step types of things.
And then Travis atm has become a real factor for
them the last few weeks, you know, and so you know,
I think you combine like the wherewithal of the team
(39:27):
to come through this stretch and potentially with four straight wins,
which they can cap tonight, you know, and then the
development of the young players, and the Jaguars are a
really good spot, you know. The Saints of course, coming
off that loss to Houston, planning to prove too.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Albert, I want to ask you about the New England Patriots.
They're hosting the Bills as an eight and a half
point underdog at home, which it's the largest I guess
spread for the Patriots being a home underdog in a
long time.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Mac Jones still the starter.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They are bringing up Mollie cunning and there's maybe a
thought maybe he's like a change up or something.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
May happen there.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, they're one in five now, like, where do you
see this thing going the rest of the season for
Bill Belichick, Mac Jones the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 13 (40:12):
I mean, they just don't have good enough players, Brady.
I meant, it's pretty simple as I see it, Like
they haven't drafted well, they've missed on free agents like
they I don't think you can get a clean read
on Matt Jones right now. And yeah, he doesn't look
like he's good enough. But I mean, I think it's
really hard. I think there are very few young quarterbacks
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like under these circumstances that would have made it, you know.
And so you know, I think you know where they
are right now. They play Buffalo this week, they played
Miami next week. That means they're one in five, staring
down the barrel of one and seven. And you know,
I think the really hard thing about the spot that
they're in is if you look at their roster, you know,
(40:53):
find me a player or two on that roster that
you think's going to be there in twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six. I mean it might be Christian
Gonzales and that's it. And Christian Gonzales are right now
and he's only been there for ten minutes, you know,
so I know there are a lot of i'd say,
big picture questions being asked by an ownership down there.
And I would have told you like two weeks ago,
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like I didn't think the roster was going to wait
good enough at the beginning of the year, so I
would have told you like two weeks ago. I think
there's a likelihood that maybe Kraft tries to bring in
a general manager and then it's going to be up
to build whether or not he wants to work with
that general manager because the roster management, the roster development
just hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 14 (41:33):
Now.
Speaker 13 (41:33):
I mean, as bad as this has gotten, I'm wondering
if you know, Craft sit out right, you know, says
like we want to you know, like we just can't
go forward with this at all, and then figures out
whether or not it's going to be couched as a
firing or a resignation or a retirement or whatever. But
it's definitely an awkward spot for everybody to be in.
(41:54):
And I don't see any light at the end of
the tunnel right now.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Albert, how last one for me house the prize? Were
you that the Colts did shut down Anthony Richardson, I mean,
is this something that he could have come back from
this season and they just wanted to get ahead of
it early. But what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 13 (42:11):
Yeah, I'm not shocked. I mean, I mean one thing,
like and I think I've said this to you guys
a few times, like I just think you don't screw
with the quarterback throwing shoulder. Like I've seen too many
times when like you hear a team say, well, you know,
like we can manage it, we can get through it,
and then it gets worse and worse and worse. Like
the idea of a quarterback playing for these things, I
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feel like, you know, just my anecdotal history covering the league,
like I feel like those never turn out well, you know,
And so I think it's I think it's smart. I
also think, like, you know, you have to ask a
lot of questions now with Anthony Richardson, which this is
a guy who has hurt a lot in college too,
It cost him time in college, and look, just because
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he's built like a tank doesn't mean he's going to
hold up to playing the way that they were playing him,
you know. And so I think the bigger question with
Anthony Richardson was because I think he showed real star
potential when he was out there. I think the bigger
question with Anthony Richardson is, all right, can you play
him that way consistently and be confident that he's going
(43:17):
to be able to stay on the field for seventeen
games a year? And if you can't, then what are
you left with? You know, Like does he need that
part of his game to be effective?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
You know?
Speaker 13 (43:28):
And how do you strike the balance where you're protecting
him but you're also weaponizing that. It's just I think
that those are the bigger questions coming out of this.
But I would always, you know, i'd always apply a team,
you know, that's attacking with some caution and a quarterback
dealing with the throwing shoulder injury. So I don't think
they made the wrong wrong call here. I just think
that there are bigger questions that come out of this.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
He's an Ohio State buck guy, he's a senior NFL. Right,
We're going to the MQB. Yeah, you're going to be
that way?
Speaker 13 (43:56):
That was what are you going to be there?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
I will be there. If we get a prediction, I'm
gonna be on the sideline. I will.
Speaker 13 (44:05):
I kind of like want to refrain.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Well, Brady, you can't.
Speaker 13 (44:08):
Make a prediction, right because you got to say that
for the for the pregame show.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, I gotta. I gotta tease it. I gotta tease
it for the show.
Speaker 13 (44:14):
Yeah, okay, Okay, So I would say, let's go the
Bio state.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Be honest with yourself, though.
Speaker 13 (44:23):
I am being honest. Okay, let's say let's say let's
say Ohio State twenty six, Penn State twenty wow.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
Winning a cover wow and a cover Why.
Speaker 13 (44:38):
God, guys, you know what the pause there was with
me trying to remember what's.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
A good move? Yeah, that's a good move. All right,
So twenty six twenty that's the prediction from from Albert Brear.
And hey, wouldn't you know it? The point total on
DraftKings is forty five and a half? God way, wouldn't you.
Wouldn't you know of all the numbers, you gotta come
up with a b All right, Well.
Speaker 13 (44:59):
It will be I wish I could take credit for
knowing the number two.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
But I didn't.
Speaker 13 (45:03):
I did not know the number. I was just trying
to get.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
The line is, try to enjoy the rest of your
weekend after that game.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
It's a is it an early game?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, neon Eastern.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Maybe try to enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 13 (45:16):
Guy, Yeah, I got I got a I got a
third grade football game, which, well, it will help me
bounce back at five. There you go, it's Albert.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Won't have to You're gonna have to pull it together
my guy.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, that's right, Albert.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Thanks again, good luck this weekend, and we'll do this
again next week.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Why would you why would you continue to play Ohio
State's fight music Like I mean, but he's our guest.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
So fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
So
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
So it is getaway day on our way to Columbus
for the big event Penn State Ohio State this weekend.
But we are going to be at the Graduate Hotel
in Columbus, Ohio. We'll be staying at Homage Bar. Come
hang out. It's brand new. They've got it all dialed in.
It's got a vintage look to it. The pictures there
look awesome, by the way, all the all the designs.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Grabbing a handoff, grabbing that hand.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We should get that blown up though. See if we
can piss some people off with that. Yep, throw that up.
Are you going to be decked out in Penn steak
here tomorrow for the crowd?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I break out the letterman jacket man from what I hear?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hell yeah, let's see that bad boy on you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean, why not?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I assume yours is blue, right, like a navy blue
or like your color of blue.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
My arms are white, but my but like the chest
of its blue, my body is blue.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Yeah, So here's the thing, Like when Leoner wore his
last week. I was like, hold on a second, your
jacket's black, Like, that's not a color for USC. I
thought it was gonna be like cardinal, like the whole thing,
and then like the lettering would be in yellow or
whatever they call that color.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But it was. I was like, I don't know, man,
it's kind of it's looking kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
High school is so you and Matt Lionard set off
the alarms at the Notre Dame locker room. Okay, so oh.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
This is the backstory.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
We had gone to the field to film and literally
walk through on the field the two thousand and five
game in the last two series, like when we had
the football our drive down that field, which by the way,
one of the things that like no one ever talks about.
If you ever go back and watch like the our
offense's final drive the field, go look at this I
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had on that drive. I try so the first play
I dropped back throw a slant to Samarja. We gained
ten or whatever ends up fifteen whatever net being first down.
We come back when the same play, like we knew
they had a hard time. They played a lot of
cover too. They had hard time covering slants. Well, this
time I dropped back. I think it was Keith River
dropped underneath it, and so the initial window wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I just took off running.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I got absolutely demolished by someone like was looking out
of my ear hole. That's like I got hit so
hard by the helmet was turned sideways, like flattened, and
I but I dumped it off this Jeff before that
he catches it runs again for the other first down.
I remember getting up and literally like grasp my face,
like looking like trying to get my helmet adjusted, and
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probably saw some stars and just went on with the
drive and like like to this day, I've never heard
anyone talk about it, but I just remember walking up
to it thinking I would think I was concussed for
like the last portion of that while. But we walked
through what happened that night, and then as we're going up,
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Matt's like, hey, can I see the locker room? I said, yeah, sure.
I was like, what, we'll go on inside, and the
young woman who was with us, she was like recently hired.
She goes, well, I can get a sin, but I
don't know the alarm code. I was like, alarm code
and I was like, there's no alarm code. I was like,
come on and mind you. When I was there my
first two years, like we used the stadium as everything,
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so that was our locker room for everything, like practice, games, everything,
and most places then would build a separate facility to
practice and work out and all that, so you'd have
two lockers, one in the game, you know, one in
the stadium for games and one for practice.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
We didn't have that yet.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
So like when I was there, I was like, yeah,
there's no alarm in here. So sure enough, she unlocks it,
we go inside, the alarm goes off. I'm like, oh crap,
there is an alarm. So at that point, I'm like,
well we're popcummitted, Like we'll just handle if the police
or whatever show up. When they show up, so I,
you know, give Matt a tour of everything. He's obviously
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covering stuff for his social media content. And then as
we walk out, as I told him, I was like,
I guarantee you there'll be like two cop cars that
ended up showing up. And sure enough there's like two
cop cars can flying up and I've got to explain
to these officers basically how I told this poor young girl,
I was. I convinced her that there's not an alarm,
it's just something that they tell new employees, and clearly
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I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No problem, Brady, all right, how quick was the response from?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Very fast?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Very fast? Yeah, yeah, they know their priorities. Good right,
I mean sure, can.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You imagine the amount of value in that building?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, you got.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
The funny thing is like, the funny thing is it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I don't know why, but in my mind I was like, oh,
this is gonna be some complex alarm or something our system.
But it was like the type of alarm like you'd have,
like a d T like in your house. It was
like the same sound, the same little thing you'd press
on the wall. I thought it was gonna be a
lot more complex than that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It was not.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It was just like a normal alarm that you'd have
in your home, which kind of makes sense since it's,
you know, the house to rocking building.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
You know what would be interesting if you put an
equipment manager, a head coach, a few lettermen, a few
current players, a trainer, and the chef that works in
the building and tell them that the building is on
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fire and you only have time to grab one to
two items. Where do you think people would run to
What do you think people would run to get if
they could only if they only had time to run
and grab two or three items out of out of
the building.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Don't keep They don't keep as much in the stadium
anymore as they used to. But I could assure you
one thing. They would go grab the play like a
Champion today. Sign everyone that we're on the same page.
You're on the right page like Jonas is. But but
Jonas would be running in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I think people would scatter to different directions. I'm going
from all American.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Pictures, all that stuff in our pactice facility.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now right right is the now the play like a
Champion sign? Is that?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
How is that hung up on the wall? Is that glued?
Speaker 8 (06:43):
There?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is that is easy to get on?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
They just use Elmer's, Like, it's really shocking all these
years it's last.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm going to say maybe some vel grow or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I actually think they've got a glue stick, you know,
like the little glue stick used to use back.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
In the day.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean makes sense those worked for everything.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Growing up in school, I honestly thought it was painted
on the wall. You ate some of that, huh. I
didn't know it was that was That's a true story
for me.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I thought it was painted on, like you guys go downstairs, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Thought it was painted on there. I didn't know it's
a hit sign.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
It's it's it's bolted on. It's been that way for.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
A long time, especially as hardest guys hit it. But
it's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I mean, that was one area that I did not
I did not let Matt come even close to good for.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You, good for you?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Well, listen, we don't have anything like that. We did,
but it's gone now like we didn't. We didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So no, there's that we are well yeah, man, Speaking
of USC. Could be some changes in the USC now.
This was discussed yesterday with Dan Patrick. He had, you know,
read a report that was out from Scott wool who
covers the USC Trojans for Inside USC, and he's not
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Scott Wolfe's not a really well like guy locally by
people well because he calls out USC on their bs
all the time. And the only show that I hear
him on or have heard him on, he may have
been on some other ones. Is on with Petros and
money on the blowtorch am five to seventy LA Sports
because Petros Papadakis has a little bit of the same
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reputation that he's not afraid to call out USC on
their bs And so Scott Wolfe had a report that
came out yesterday that said, in NFL coaching circles, the
talk is that Lincoln Riley is putting out feelers to
take a job in the NFL next season. This chatter
was going around even before USC's lost to Notre Dame,
and the word is Riley would be open to an
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NFL job if he could follow Caleb Williams to the
same franchise. If the Chicago Bears had the number one pick,
it would probably be ideal for this theory. So that
is a report out from Scottland. It's nuts. It sounds like,
I don't know, I've heard that somewhere before, like a
few months back.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, wow, didn't I say this to you all a
few months back? And speculating all that, And I mean,
I'll continue to say it. I think Washington's the most
interesting one. Now, their record may not put them in
a position to take him number one overall if he
indeed is still viewed as the number one quarterback in
this class. But you have new ownership, you have a
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head coach who I think is is liked as.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well liked in Ron Rivera.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
But if they don't get the results, I think people
can make the excuse, Hey, new ownership, we can move
on from this. And it makes sense. It's where Caleb
is from. You're trying to drum up interest in that franchise.
That would be one way.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of doing it. That would be big.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm really interested to see what happens with Washington the
rest of the season. They don't have that much committed
in Sam Howe. He's played well at times this year.
But if you could get Caleb Williams, that changes a
lot of dynamics of things. So I said earlier, and
even as just applies moving forward. If you're Lincoln Riley,
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clearly those two have a strong relationship. He got him
to come to Oklahoma, he got him to go to
Southern cal That's right. You know they would love to
work together, and I think that would be good for
Caleb Williams early on is knowing that system right away.
I think you would see him trip, and he wouldn't
have as big of a jump as a lot of
other quarterbacks who have to learn a different system. The
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biggest question would be whether or not Lincoln Riley is
an offensive play caller would be able to have the
impact that he's had in college at the NFL level.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And one of the other portions of this article from
Scott Wolf says that the other part of the theory
is that an NFL team would tell Riley who to
hire from a defensive standpoint on the defensive staff to
avoid some of the pratfalls that have happened in college
because the defense has.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
See To me, that kind of takes away from the
credibility of the article, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Is that a shot?
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Are you taking a shot at how bad their defense
has been playing? Like you could have left that out.
You didn't have to put that in the in the article.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Remember, like I threw this out to Petros a couple
of weeks ago and just said, hey, Petros, does Lincoln
Riley coach one single snap or one single game in
the Big Ten for USC? And he said, well, look,
I mean, you know, maybe he makes a jump or
something like that. But he said, and he pointed out
the defense, like their defense is a problem and if
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you're in.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
The trenches are a problem. I mean, let's let's be
real for a second. They couldn't beat Utah last year.
They lost h twice. They Flaminggan this year without Cam
Rising easier task for them, especially hosting him at home.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
But if they can't make it past the Utah's.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
The Oregans some of the other teams in the Pac twelve,
how are you going to stand up versus Ohio State
and Penn State and Michigan. And that's not to mention
teams like Wisconsin that you have a similar build to
what Utah is. Oriowa or I Yeah, Iowa for that matter,
although I think we've seen games or.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Then next year Maryland, you know, it's just I believe
they will be competitive, but it's going to be a
different brand of football and it'll be interesting to see
who has to adjust to who like and if Lincoln
Rally is still there. I think it's more it's more
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running gun type of deal. Obviously they've shown that it's
not more about stopping guys and playing more traditional type
of football. It's it's it's just it's driven by offense.
And by point production and and sometimes it's like that
in the in.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But you have to be able to switch styles, you know,
if if if it doesn't, if it doesn't work out
today that big plays and explosive plays are are the
thing that's working today. You got to be able to
be in a in a brawl. You got to be
able to to take the punches. You got to be
able to melt. That's the Big Ten. That's classic Big Ten.
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You gotta deal with the purdues you got. You can't
really take a week off. You can't be like, oh, yeah,
this is this team. Yeah we yeah, that's like I
feel like we should. We can, but as a fan,
but you just can't. You know, you go visit Purdue
and and and Purdue you can lose. You know, you
go visit Illinois and Champagne, you can lose. And And
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to me, that's what I've always I've always enjoyed that
about the Big Ten is that you can get depending
on what style of football is being played, and if
you're considered to be a little bit more finesse. I
won't say soft, but if you have a little bit
more finesse, say it if you're soft. Yeah, it could.
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It could come back to haunt you. I mean, it
hasn't too much for the most finestful team in the ten,
but it possibly could.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Do you guys think Lincoln Riley coaches at USC after
this year, because I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I do. I don't I do I think he does.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'll say this, if you look at what he's been
able to do so far between last year and this year.
And by the way, it's weird, like you will see
just lost for the first time this season, and granted
they got pounded, but it feels like they've lost twice now.
It's so odd how people are talking about this team,
like if we're being real as bad as they look
this past Saturday.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
It's one loss.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah yeah, well and look and we can always say
what if with the loss, but right like it's their
only loss, and we're acting like they've already lost twice
they're out of it, like they might as well move
on to next year. It's it's kind of bizarre. I mean,
if Caleb Williams plays better in any game, like he's
always going to give them a chance. So look, I'll
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say this, the biggest concern I have for Colorado or
excuse me, jeez.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So for Southern Cal moving on in the future.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Is what do what does this team look like if
they don't have the best player in college football because
he won it last year, he'll be up for the
Heisman this year. That's been holding this whole thing together.
Petro says it on Wednesdays. If they're a six to
seven win team, if Caleb Waives is in their quarterback,
he might not be too far off from that. And
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the question becomes like, all right, let's say you're Lincoln
Riley and I've already heard rumors that, you know, maybe
cam Ward that's for there or whoever else that's a top.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Quarterback, right, I want to transfer there if they have eligibility.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Okay, but they're not gonna be Kitleb Williams. As good
as they might be, they're not gonna be Kaitleer Williams.
And is that gonna be enough to allow to be competitive?
Like I think now more than ever because the narrative
with Lincoln Riley and.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Great offenses, Heisman Trophy winning quarterbacks couldn't really get the
defense to come along.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You know, now he's at USC two years now, we've
kind of said the same thing that went to the
portal hit it hard both years.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Yeah, kind of still seeing the same thing.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I wonder if he doesn't mind trying to go now
and this is the right time up to the NFL
level where the talent's more equated and he could try
to exercise his XS and o's versus the best in
the NFL. With Caleb Williams as a quarterback as a
package deal. We kind of saw in Arizona, didn't It
looked like it was working out early, then it didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
But maybe this would be different.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I want, I do wonder how the impact of other
college coaches maybe not working out. We'll play a role
in the thought process behind Lincoln Roley being a head
coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
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Speaker 4 (16:39):
Hey, why is Mike McDaniel's upset?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
He's upset?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Why is he upset?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, because some candy ass in the media thought it
would be a good idea to go ahead and pull
the Brock Party onto a tongue of by Lowa to
try and make the assumption that well any both call
oh yeah, try to anybody could do it in your system.
And Mike McDaniel, Levar's guy got pissed off yesterday to
press covern for some folks.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Who believe that many quarterbacks in this scheme with you
as the coach, with Tyreek and Jalen, maybe even many
many quarterbacks would excel, would flourish near the top of
the passer raider leading MVP candidate.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
What if any pushback is their relatives to waiting on
a hold.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
On a little bit of the Christmas podium over. My
answer to that would be who the f cares? Because
it's it is a team. We're working together, and I
know one thing of coach stuff a long time. I
haven't seen people do what our guys do now.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
He did go on to say, as a teammate, we're
all dependent on each other. I'm not in any hurry
to prove myself without those guys, because those are part
of who we are. To say it's this person or
that person is kind of missing the point. It's a
team working together, so on and so forth, and good
for him? Why do we do this crap? Who cares
to these product of the system? What do you want
to do? Trade himself? Like I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We say to go play for another team.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right, go prove yourself in a bad organization. Okay, Like
why do we do this?
Speaker 5 (18:11):
And this goes it's it's because we're dumb, Like we're
all dumb, Like we're all we're humans and we just
we we need like little things to debate about and
argue about. I mean, I've said this forever, Like the
tag of always a system quarterback, It's like like that's
a compliment to anyone who's a part of probably a
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good offense, a good team, or good organization. Like there's
only maybe a handful of guys in NFL history who
could have went anywhere and been successful or you know,
been a Pro Bowl caliber player.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
That's just the truth.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I know people don't want to hear that, but like
it's a circumstance you enter into in the NFL is
paramount to even your own ability as a player. It
just is like I'm sorry. If people wanted to baby,
that's fine, but you're wrong. Like if you go into
a terrible organization with a terrible team and nothing around
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you on offense, and you don't fit in pieces that
you can't work with it, they try to make you
do things you're not good at.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
You're not going to succeed.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And I think Mike McDaniel when he got to Miami,
he invested a lot of time in figuring out ways
of helping to Tonguo bay Low and become the player
that you've seen now in the past.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, two seasons really what he's.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Healthy and utilizing Jalen Waddle and all the speed they've
gotten the roster to put him in positions to succeed.
That's a great coach. That's what good coaches do. That's
what every coach should do. And so it's always I
should say it's it's not surprising or shocking by by
any means.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
But we get to the point of season we're like, yeah,
we just we got to toy a.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Round and throw it on different ideas because we can't
compliment brock Party for what he's done. Kyle's offense, we
can't compliment too and we've got a let our minds
wand or too, well, what would they switch?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Would they be as good with it still it's like, yeah,
probably you won't know why.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
They probably both excel at either place because if you
switch them, Kyle would work the two his strengths and
Mike would work to block pretty strengths.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And they're both talented rosters.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
They're both great situations, so they both probably excel whether
they're both in San Francisco and Miami or they swapped.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, that's the truth of the matter, because they're good
situations to be in.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I just I hate how we have to dissect this
and make it a bigger deal than it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I mean, what do you want me to say? I listen.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
That's that's kind of my sentiments of it. I think
if you're if you're able to be good and at
the pro level, there are a lot of elements that
play in and into that. You know, is the is
the organization? Like I always start, just because of my experience,
I always start with is it a healthy organization? If
you if it's a healthy organization, then even players that
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aren't necessarily going supposed to be great can end up
being great. I watched that through the years in Pittsburgh.
You know, you'll see a guy that it's like Oh,
they weren't very highly talented touted coming out of coming
out of college. You know, might even been a traveler,
you know, been a backup or maybe found their way
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to the starting position, but eventually ended up being an
All Pro Pro Bowl caliber player, you know, in the
system and the schemes that they were playing in. I
just always felt as though, if if you play for
a team and you're a player that can make it
to the NFL, if you're playing for a team that
knows what their DNA is, they're generally going to bring
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in guys that fit the DNA of what their team is.
And and so the skill sets and the things that
you're looking for, you're generally looking for players that fit
that coming into the scenario. Now, if you're a coach
that comes in and we always say it's not your guy, Well,
if you're one of those type of coaches, then you
have to decide the people that.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You arelready have there. Are they you're, You're you're Gucci?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You know, are they are You're, are they your Louis
Vuitton luggage or are they not? And then you go
from there and if you can do it, then you
do it. But I've always thought it was. It's pretty
cool when if you think about just like you throw
Tom Brady out there, you know, Tom Brady wasn't he
didn't go high, he wasn't one of the top qbs
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in our draft class.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
And by the way, he also had the same narrative
about him early on. Well it's just what's around him?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Well that was that was not just early though, right,
Wasn't it still even a debate after he left, like
who was it? Was it the chicken or the egg?
You know what I mean? Was it Bill or was
it Tom? So you know, and I think that's just
something that's naturally a part of sports, like who's the greatest?
Compared these too, who are the greatest? Well, why can't
they just both be the greatest? You know, Like why
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can't they just be the both? Like both be that?
But that's just what we you know, there's certain things
we like one in sports and for some reason, system
players like oh he can run the ball, or oh
he can he gets a lot of sacks, or oh
he can throw for a lot of yards on one gay,
Oh it's the system.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Like all right, you know, it's like you're only a
good parent because your kid's cool. All right, well, let
me give him up for adoption, improve myself with a scumbag. No,
I got to do this right, just so everybody says, no, no, no,
you've done it at all facets. If two, If this
works out for two and he can spend the rest
of his career there in a great system, who the
hell wouldn't want that? If brock Perty can spend the
rest of his career in a great system with Kyle Shanahan,
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who the hell wouldn't want that? Like like, why is
this a no.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Early out the gate?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yes? Like if you brought party and you you.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Stumbled upon Kyle Shanahan where he's at in his career
and the way they've put together things for now today.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Think about how long it took Alex Smith to find
the right system he was taught. They were talking about
Alex Smith, like, oh he's a bust Oh Alex Smith,
Oh man, what a waste of a number one pick?
And it took him years and he found found the
right system, and the guy became a multiple time pro
bowler and became a really good player. Like the idea
that you got to dock these guys because they found
themselves in a good spot. I just I don't get it. Yeah,
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Jared Goff's another one, Like I don't get it, Like
what do you want to do? Like have to swim
through crap just to prove like, oh I can make
this happen. I just it's very weird.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So you know Neil O'Donnell damn right.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Damn right?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I yeah, hell yeah, Oh, Bubby yeah yeah, Bernie Cozar.
Speaker 11 (24:33):
Bernie talked to me, my guy, Bernie Burnie, Kelly Holcomb,
Kelly Holcomb. Spurgeon win, Yeah, little Spurgeon win, Little Spurgeon.
Little Timmy Couch. That's my guy, your guy, Tim Couch,
that guy.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Butch Davis was the coach of that Cleveland Brown team
that went to the playoffs, right, didn't Did they lose
that playoff game against Pittsburgh? They beat them in that
playoff game. Didn't they play the Steelers in a playoff game?
Almost positive? I don't know. And it was Tim Couch
and it was Kelly Holcomb who were the quarterbacks for Cleveland. Which,
by the way, there was a I saw the reair
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of the special on the Miami Hurricanes from the early
two thousands. Yeah, so it was from the early two thousands,
and I was thinking about this, Who would you guys
say would be favored neutral field early two thousands, Hurricanes
or those USC teams. I don't care that Brady played against,
(25:35):
you think so, Yeah, damn they were loaded a lot
of great players.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah they were. That was a bad That was a
bad group, man.
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Speaker 12 (26:15):
All right, thank you, Jonas. We will get you caught
up on some postseason baseball. It was Game three the
America League Championship Series. Some runs were scored in this
one in the end Houston gets the eight five victory.
Jose al tuove two HiT's a solo homer, Jordan Alvarez
had two hits and two runs driven in, and Martin
Maltino also a two RBI. Game four Houston in the win.
(26:36):
Texas starter Max Shir's are a lot five earned runs,
five hits in four innings of work. He took the loss.
Houston continues to get it done on the road in
the postseason, last ten postseason games for them. Nine to
one is their record for Texas. They came in seven
to zero this postseason before the loss, their first, and
they still have the two to one series advantage. Road
teams won every game so far in this series. We
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had a couple of any games. Last night Red Wings
over the Penguins sixty three, the Senators all over the
Capitol six to one. As far as NFL News, Jaguars
quarterback Trevor Lawrence says he's optimistic about playing at tonight's
Thursday night game in New Orleans against the Saints. The
Jacksonville Quarterbacks suffered a sprain knee on Sunday, officially listed
as questionable for tonight's game. Madapoles Colts made an official,
their number one pick from this year. Quarterback Anthony Richardson
(27:21):
will have season ending shoulder surgery. Browns quarterback de Shaun
Watson says he has a strained roadchator. Cuffy's day to day.
Didn't practice Wednesday. Neither did Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo as
he's still recovering from that back injury. Bears quarterback Justin
feels doubtful for Sunday's game against the Raiders with a
thumb injury. If he cannot go, then it will be
Tyson Bagent getting his first NFL start against Las Vegas
(27:43):
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to perform list. He practiced for the first time since
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Speaker 2 (28:09):
By the way, I think Tyson Beijing, I think I
have this correct. His dad is like a world champion
arm wrestler almost positive kind of go.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
It sounds like a Chicago Bears quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, kind of yeah, just let some you know, I
don't know if he's Yeah, can you fact check that
that is correct? Jonason? Is it world champion arm wrestler.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
Yeah, they've been showing the highlights of it on the
NFL network.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
How jacked is he?
Speaker 12 (28:35):
He looks I mean he's stacked in, but he's not
you know.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Huge, stacked and shacked.
Speaker 12 (28:42):
Yeah, they had some he was at the Senior Bowl
I guess it was, and they had him arm wrestling
some weed from the NFL network and just well, I mean, yeah,
I don't know what the guy. I don't know who
the guy has been. He was using two hands to
try and you know, pull over, and he's just like
smiling at him, talking, you know, to him while he's
he's doing it, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Just buy is over the top a good movie or
just a movie that only guys like.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
It's actually a great movie?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is it really? Are we just romanticizing it and it's
not that great.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Of a movie.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
No, it's great, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
You don't remember Over the Top.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
You don't remember flipping the switch, troming the hat back around.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
I do, I do. I remember like the parts of it.
I just don't remember it remember it like I don't remember, Like,
when's the last time y'all seen Over the Top?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
God, like a year and a half. It was on
the studio, really, I mean probably?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (29:34):
So was he was? He trying to win like the
love of his son by arm wrestling.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Something like that, And you remember he would like he would,
he would take his fingers and wrap him over the
top of the other guy's hand when he really wanted
to make a statement and win the match.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Which seemed a little bit illegal at the time.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, it's like thumb wrestling, you know, using one of
your other fingers when your thumb wrestling, you can't do that.
But for some reasons of us just alone could do
that one damn right, I would, and.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Where I don't have super long fingers, So I've never
really liked thumb wrestling.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
That upsets me.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's upsetting, especially when you get a against
somebody who has a really, really long thumb, and then
you see how much longer their thumb is than yours.
And then I just keep my thumb up like I'm like,
you know, hitchhiking. I do the hitch hiking thumb, and
I just hold it firm so that they can't get
my thumb down because my thumb is too small to
(30:27):
get their loan thumb.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I mean, who you are wrestling, Freddy Krueger, who's got
to really wrestle thumb wresm? Like, who's got a really
long thumb?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Man, you'd be surprised, Like you'd be surprised how many
people have like super long fingers.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Man.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
You don't have to be like a very impressive specimen
of a person to have long fingers. But if you
have long fingers, you definitely have the advantage of thumb wrestling.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I heard take like that Pedro Martinez has a really
big fingers and that that's what made his change up
that he would throw so devastating because he would get more,
you know, more action on the change up.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Are they small heads?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Well, you know they said that's why Michael Jordan was
so good because of his thumb. Like the hes he
explained it one time, like the space in between his finger,
his pointer and his thumb.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
You know that's why he was good.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, because the way he was able to control the ball.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
And then who was Chris Chris uh, the fall guy?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Chris Chris, Chris Carter. Chris Carter. The same thing about
with his thumb.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He worked his out though, didn't he I already like
bet his thumb all the way down. Did try to
make make it easier to catch.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yep, geez, he stretched his fingers out.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's commitment. Well, there you go to stretch, you know.
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Right now, we welcome in the pride of Ohio State
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB and you
can get them on Twitter or x or whatever they're
calling it at Albert Breer Albert Big Week four and
a half point favorites. As you get ready for Saturday's
(32:51):
Top seven matchup against Levar's Penn State Nitney Lyons.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Now, were doing, good morning, So you gonna address me
first right.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Out the gate? All businesses?
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yeah, that's that's interesting. I'm good, Albert. How are you doing.
Speaker 13 (33:10):
I'm good, guys, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Just how you feeling? Maybe how we looking at the game?
You feel confident?
Speaker 13 (33:16):
I would say, I would say I'm a little uncertain.
Speaker 14 (33:18):
Although Brady's team made me feel a lot better about
our win a month ago because that Notre Dame defense
looks chelsy, and so it made me feel a little
bit better about you know, our quarterback and we're a
quarterback he is going into this game and a pressure situation.
Speaker 13 (33:36):
And uh, and I think I think our defense is
pretty good, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I want to further on this discussion, though, if let's
just play this out, Okay, If Ohio State does lose
depend State as an alum, how hot is the seat
in your mind for Ryan Day, I.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
Would get back to May five weeks after that.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Okay, So so this theme doesn't matter as much it's
really about Michigan.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
No, no, no, no, it doesn't. It does matter. You
know why it matters, Brady, because I think you can't.
It is about Michigan, but you can't fall the third
in the division. I think that that's sort of the
underlying thing is, you know, I think it is about Michigan,
and I think it will be about Michigan and it
will continue to be about Michigan because I mean, you
(34:25):
grew up there, you know, you know, like that's just
what it is. But I think the heat gets turned
up even more so, and there's even more pressure on
them to win in an Arbor. Not that the party
isn't a lot, but there's even more pressure to win
it in Arbor if they don't beat Penn State, Because
I mean I might be mistaken here, LeVar, but I
(34:46):
think Penn States are relatively young too, Like they're good,
but they're also young, right, Like, so you know, now
you're looking at you know, Drew Aller coming back next year.
They're back's going back next year, I Piil Carter, It's
coming back next year, like, so you know, I think
that what I know about people in Columbus and everything else,
I think losing the Penn State would go beyond it
(35:07):
being a Michigan problem. Now you'd be talking about the
trajectory of the program. So I think it's a big one.
And you know, it's for a lot of different reasons
for this this year's team, but also for where the
program at is right right now and Ryan Davis fifty
are in charge.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Albert, we got to keep it in the state of
Ohio because we're trying to figure out the hell's going
on with Deshaun Watson, all right, Like his coach comes
out and says he's medically cleared to play a couple
of weeks ago, he doesn't play, there's a bye week,
doesn't play last week. Now there's no timetable on the
return with this rotator cuff issue, Like, what are you
(35:47):
hearing from people you've talked to Yeah.
Speaker 13 (35:49):
I mean, so first I would start with, you know,
the coaches and his team major and they say that
she has been good, you know, I I that was
my first thing when I when when you look at
something like this, it's like, okay, like is is is
the player in question in some way gone the other
way and he is? Is he turning into an independent contractor?
(36:12):
And I don't get that sense much talking to his coaches,
his coach and say his attitudes in there. I talked
to TJ Walker after the game on Sunday, and you know,
PJ said justun was super helpful with him and getting
him ready to go, and so I think he's still
in a good spot with the organization. As for like
the injury itself, you know, I know, it's a frustrating thing,
(36:33):
you know, for people to follow, because it's like, Okay,
it's gonna If it's not this week, then it's going
to be next week. And then he gets next week
and he's not out there in the practice field. The
feel I've got this is truly a week to week thing,
and because of this throwing shoulder, they want to be.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Careful with it, you know, for some.
Speaker 13 (36:49):
Of the same reasons why the Colts decided to shut
Anthony Richardson down, you know, and and so like there's
a pain tolerance, uh component to this, there's a functionality
component to this, you know, And I I wish I
had a better answer for you, but you know, and
I know it's frustrating for people, especially you know in
Northeast will hire to hear this. But it's like from
(37:11):
everything I can gather, it's truly a week to week saying.
And you know, it can be how Deshan feels when
he wakes up in the morning, which you know makes
it difficult for the team to plan going forward to
anything else. But I know, like the hope going into
this week was that he would play on Sunday. We'll
see where it goes.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Abe, Well, how do you feel about the game tonight?
What are you looking for? I mean, you got a
five hundred team, you got a team that that is
mentioned earlier about you.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They're trending up.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I still have questions and you know in my mind about.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Jacksonville, but what what are you looking for out at Jacksonville,
New Orleans tonight?
Speaker 13 (37:48):
I love where the Jaguars are LeVar like I am,
you know, like, if you look at the stretch that
they're that they're in the middle of right now, it's
pretty brutal. You know, from a travel perspective. They played
back to back games in London, they were over there
for eleven days, they come back, they play a home game,
and now they're playing a.
Speaker 14 (38:06):
Road game on a Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, So within what.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Is it, like less than twenty one days, they're gonna
have played four games, travel to and from the UK
and then you know, playing a road game on a
on a very short week.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
You know.
Speaker 13 (38:23):
And I know, like you know, internally, like they feel
like the way the team has kind of taken this
on has been sort of a flashpoint for the group
in the building that like they really feel like the
way they've kind of come together and you know, been
able to put together three wins in a row and
now come into this game against New Orleans with a
chance to go into to their mini buy so to speak,
(38:44):
at five and two really could be a launching point
for the rest of their season. And I think, you know,
a couple of young players coming around, obviously Trevor, you
know Trevor, I you know, that big throwing Mede against
buffalo down the sideline to Calvin Ridley to close the
Bills out, like he checked to that like that was
supposed to be, you know, a safe underneath play. I
think it was on the third four, and you know
(39:07):
he sort of showed the competitor in him and taking
the shot, checking to the shot in that play and
then making the throw he did. So we're seeing those like,
all right, Trevor's taking the next step types of things.
And then Travis atm has become a real factor for
them the last few weeks, you know, and so you know,
I think you combine like the wherewithal of the team
(39:27):
to come through this stretch and potentially with four straight wins,
which they can cap tonight, you know, and then the
development of the young players, and the Jaguars are a
really good spot, you know. The Saints of course, coming
off that loss to Houston, planning to prove too.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Albert, I want to ask you about the New England Patriots.
They're hosting the Bills as an eight and a half
point underdog at home, which it's the largest I guess
spread for the Patriots being a home underdog in a
long time.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Mac Jones still the starter.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
They are bringing up Mollie cunning and there's maybe a
thought maybe he's like a change up or something.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
May happen there.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, they're one in five now, like, where do you
see this thing going the rest of the season for
Bill Belichick, Mac Jones the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 13 (40:12):
I mean, they just don't have good enough players, Brady.
I meant, it's pretty simple as I see it, Like
they haven't drafted well, they've missed on free agents like
they I don't think you can get a clean read
on Matt Jones right now. And yeah, he doesn't look
like he's good enough. But I mean, I think it's
really hard. I think there are very few young quarterbacks
(40:32):
like under these circumstances that would have made it, you know.
And so you know, I think you know where they
are right now. They play Buffalo this week, they played
Miami next week. That means they're one in five, staring
down the barrel of one and seven. And you know,
I think the really hard thing about the spot that
they're in is if you look at their roster, you know,
(40:53):
find me a player or two on that roster that
you think's going to be there in twenty twenty five
or twenty twenty six. I mean it might be Christian
Gonzales and that's it. And Christian Gonzales are right now
and he's only been there for ten minutes, you know,
so I know there are a lot of i'd say,
big picture questions being asked by an ownership down there.
And I would have told you like two weeks ago,
(41:15):
like I didn't think the roster was going to wait
good enough at the beginning of the year, so I
would have told you like two weeks ago. I think
there's a likelihood that maybe Kraft tries to bring in
a general manager and then it's going to be up
to build whether or not he wants to work with
that general manager because the roster management, the roster development
just hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 14 (41:33):
Now.
Speaker 13 (41:33):
I mean, as bad as this has gotten, I'm wondering
if you know, Craft sit out right, you know, says
like we want to you know, like we just can't
go forward with this at all, and then figures out
whether or not it's going to be couched as a
firing or a resignation or a retirement or whatever. But
it's definitely an awkward spot for everybody to be in.
(41:54):
And I don't see any light at the end of
the tunnel right now.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Albert, how last one for me house the prize? Were
you that the Colts did shut down Anthony Richardson, I mean,
is this something that he could have come back from
this season and they just wanted to get ahead of
it early. But what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 13 (42:11):
Yeah, I'm not shocked. I mean, I mean one thing,
like and I think I've said this to you guys
a few times, like I just think you don't screw
with the quarterback throwing shoulder. Like I've seen too many
times when like you hear a team say, well, you know,
like we can manage it, we can get through it,
and then it gets worse and worse and worse. Like
the idea of a quarterback playing for these things, I
(42:34):
feel like, you know, just my anecdotal history covering the league,
like I feel like those never turn out well, you know,
And so I think it's I think it's smart. I
also think, like, you know, you have to ask a
lot of questions now with Anthony Richardson, which this is
a guy who has hurt a lot in college too,
It cost him time in college, and look, just because
(42:55):
he's built like a tank doesn't mean he's going to
hold up to playing the way that they were playing him,
you know. And so I think the bigger question with
Anthony Richardson was because I think he showed real star
potential when he was out there. I think the bigger
question with Anthony Richardson is, all right, can you play
him that way consistently and be confident that he's going
(43:17):
to be able to stay on the field for seventeen
games a year? And if you can't, then what are
you left with? You know, Like does he need that
part of his game to be effective?
Speaker 6 (43:28):
You know?
Speaker 13 (43:28):
And how do you strike the balance where you're protecting
him but you're also weaponizing that. It's just I think
that those are the bigger questions coming out of this.
But I would always, you know, i'd always apply a team,
you know, that's attacking with some caution and a quarterback
dealing with the throwing shoulder injury. So I don't think
they made the wrong wrong call here. I just think
that there are bigger questions that come out of this.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
He's an Ohio State buck guy, he's a senior NFL. Right,
We're going to the MQB. Yeah, you're going to be
that way?
Speaker 13 (43:56):
That was what are you going to be there?
Speaker 4 (43:58):
I will be there. If we get a prediction, I'm
gonna be on the sideline. I will.
Speaker 13 (44:05):
I kind of like want to refrain.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Well, Brady, you can't.
Speaker 13 (44:08):
Make a prediction, right because you got to say that
for the for the pregame show.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, I gotta. I gotta tease it. I gotta tease
it for the show.
Speaker 13 (44:14):
Yeah, okay, Okay, So I would say, let's go the
Bio state.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Be honest with yourself, though.
Speaker 13 (44:23):
I am being honest. Okay, let's say let's say let's
say Ohio State twenty six, Penn State twenty wow.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
Winning a cover wow and a cover Why.
Speaker 13 (44:38):
God, guys, you know what the pause there was with
me trying to remember what's.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
A good move? Yeah, that's a good move. All right,
So twenty six twenty that's the prediction from from Albert Brear.
And hey, wouldn't you know it? The point total on
DraftKings is forty five and a half? God way, wouldn't you.
Wouldn't you know of all the numbers, you gotta come
up with a b All right, Well.
Speaker 13 (44:59):
It will be I wish I could take credit for
knowing the number two.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
But I didn't.
Speaker 13 (45:03):
I did not know the number. I was just trying
to get.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
The line is, try to enjoy the rest of your
weekend after that game.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
It's a is it an early game?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, neon Eastern.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Maybe try to enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 13 (45:16):
Guy, Yeah, I got I got a I got a
third grade football game, which, well, it will help me
bounce back at five. There you go, it's Albert.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Won't have to You're gonna have to pull it together
my guy.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, that's right, Albert.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Thanks again, good luck this weekend, and we'll do this
again next week.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Why would you why would you continue to play Ohio
State's fight music Like I mean, but he's our guest.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
So fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
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