October 25, 2023 • 37 mins
The NFL reduces their suspension for Kareem Jackson but how will they officiate hard hits in the future? Could Russell Wilson be on the trading block? The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for his weekly visit and much more on The BQ News.
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So we were talking earlier in the show about Dion
(01:17):
Sanders coming out and just saying, listen, you know much
to do about nothing when it comes to this sign
stealing stuff. You know, kind of commonplace. You still got
to stop it, so on and so forth, and so
somebody in the state of Colorado, there's been some stopping
that has been done. So there was a suspension, a
four game suspension that was handed out to Kareem Jackson,
(01:40):
who's a repeat offender of you know, some personal fouls
and illegal.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Hits over the past. Did you see it? Hey, he
let some people up. It's what he does well while
they're on the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Can we talk about this one though, this most recent one.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
What's the so now, just to let everybody know, the
suspension has been reduced from four games to two games
by Derek Brooks stepped in and reduced it, which I.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Think this more has to do with some of the
previous hits more so than this one. Just in my opinion,
for this reason and LeVar you could speak to this.
Usually when a player catches a football, all right, until
he completes the process of the catch and becomes or
is defined as a runner, Okay, they get protection. They're
(02:27):
considered defenseless, so you can't hit him to the head
and neck area. And that kind of stands true whether
it's in college or NFL. The difference in this case
is when Luke Musgrave caught the football, he kind of
spun and pirouetted and he took three steps. And I
always feel like there's a timing element of it for
(02:50):
defenders where and even in a play like this where
you're kind of saying yourself, it was a great area
as to at what point did he become a runner?
Ninety nine percent of catches like that where you take
you catch the football, take three steps, you're defined as
a runner at that point, and so you don't get
(03:10):
those protections as being a defensiless player. In this case, though,
because of how he caught the ball and how he
kind of spun and maybe it was even kind of
going to the ground or however you want to look
at it, it then allowed him to still be considered
defenseless in this case, and some of the angles I saw,
it looked like even though Kareem Jackson did lead with
his head, his initial contact was actually to the shoulder pad,
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which also made it not a penalty at least in
my opinion from that vantage point. So I kind of
felt like the reaction to the hit, because it was vicious,
immediately created this thought that, Okay, it was another legal hit,
this guy's done it before. But I don't I don't
know if that was actually true in this case, Like
(03:57):
this was one of those hits that I thought was
borderline because of the unique kind of play and how
it was, But I don't know if it warned him
getting the two games suspension everything along with it, or
even a penalty in this case.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'm right there with you. I feel like, in this
my understanding, my idea of it as a defender, if
you get there and you make contact and you can
dislodge the ball, that's legal. Did he drop his head, Yes,
he dropped his head and he led with the crown
of his head. So maybe they're looking at it from
(04:31):
the idea of intent because he did not hit him
with his head. His head never made contact with Musgrave's head.
And like you said, the initial contact was made to
his shoulder. In theory, it was an it looked like
an ugly valient hit, but it should have been a
(04:53):
legit hit. Like I know you're trying to protect the
receivers and like the whole defenseless receipt type of deal,
But I mean, I feel as though you should have
the ability to strike a receiver to try to dislodge
the ball if you're getting there, And you mentioned it's
a timing thing. He got there on time, he had
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the ball hit, the ball was coming into possession. He
hit him, but he had his shoulder and the guy
turned into him as well too, So his intent when
he saw him was hey, back towards me. Maybe he
was trying to launch him out of bounds, and then
the guys ended up turning and facing him. I just
don't understand the idea of you need to be able
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to adjust in real time at high rates of speed
on a moving target, and if you don't, you're getting
popped this amount of dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And this many time.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
If you're putting your head down like he did drop
his head, he did lead with the crown of his
head and maybe that's why you're calling it. Maybe that's
why they looked at it as how he target get
him with the hit, like the intent of it, and
that's most likely I would assume that's most likely why
d Brooks uh shortened, you know, abbreviated the suspension and
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and and didn't keep it to the four because if
it was egregious where he led with the crown of
his head and he hit that receiver with the crown
of his head, I'm certain that four games expension would
have stood.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How many times do you think Derek Brooks watched the
video before he said what a what a hell of
a hit, Like you.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Know, Derek, you can go on you can go online
and here Derek Brooks micd up for sound and some
of the things OGB said is off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Like he saw one one take of it and was like, yeah,
that'll be two games of knock knock your face off,
Like I'll knock your face away.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Crane's played in the league a long time man, you know,
like he's he's an og in the league. He's played
a long time, like he know, he knows this league
as well as anyone. I really didn't feel like this hit,
there was ill intent outside of hitting someone with the
type of tenacity that you'd like to in the league. Now,
(07:09):
maybe you could say for some of the other hits
that he's been flagged for or fine for would fit
that category. I was watching that one in real time
and I was like, Man, I don't know if it
just kind of felt like there was enough time for
Musgrave to possess the football be deemed a runner and
we're not really even having this conversation if that's the case,
you know, that's just the reality of it. So I
(07:30):
don't know. I feel like he's unfortunately because of some
of the past hits, they're trying to throw this one
in that category and it just it doesn't fit the bill.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, what's crazy is is, like you said, Jonas, he's adjusting.
He's adjusting to the catch, so he gets the ball.
He gets the ball, one foot down, two feet down,
he spends and then he lowers his head. But the
entirety of the blow, no matter how you want to
(07:58):
shake it up, he did lower his head, but the
entirety of the blow is on his shoulder. Now, if
you're saying you're getting two game suspensions for hitting guys
on the shoulders now and maybe it's because you have
your head down. I just think that that's a that's
(08:18):
that's sad for football. But like I think that's the
only way I can kind of kind of can put
put a conclusion to it. That's sad for the sport
of football. You know, you just you just think, you know,
I mean, you touch quarterbacks anymore, you're getting a flag,
like I have seen more. I don't know why they
don't just create a rule where they just specifically say
(08:41):
do not touch the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Like I would be more.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I would I would feel more comfort knowing that they
created a zone and once you penetrate that zone, the
play is dead. Like give give the give the defenders fear,
fear opportunit unity because if you're if you're saying okay
and you're gonna you're you know you're going to disqualify
(09:06):
getting you know, strip sacks and stuff like that. But
if you don't want the quarterback getting touched because some
of the some of the first off the holding this
year is freaking egregious. Like I thought it was the
funniest deal, And I know I'm all over the place,
but I thought it was the funniest deal when when, uh,
what's what's our guy to receiver that that's now the
(09:27):
caller on on the big Games, Chris collins Collinsworth, Right.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's like, look at the way Kelsey is moving. Kelsey's
dead ass.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Wholding the dude on a replay Like they showed like three,
like three replays like look at the way Ray Ray
McCleod and the Ray Rays Wama, baby, look at the
way he's blaying. He's got his arms outside of him.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And he said, look.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
At the way he's done. Look at the way Kelsey moves.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, we could actually have our Chris Collinsworth impersonator
do it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You know, let's let's hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, I gotta tell you, like, for all the
conversation about track is Kelsey and what he does, him
and Patrick Mahomes are in sync. They're always open, seemingly
he's always catching passes and a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I mean, but what about Jason and his block?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Like I got it?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And then and then you go to Jason Kelsey and
you just see the way he blocks and I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
He's holding Like, yeah, that's good that from you.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
First ballad Hall of Famer golly.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That's really good. It is really good.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
But I just think the amount of non calls that
are taking place and then the ones that they seem
to be focusing in on making. I just I don't know, man,
It's just it's just very disheartening watching the way, honestly,
And I've never I've always said just deal with the refs.
I think this year, to me, has been the singularly
(10:46):
most disheartening year for NFL refereeing that I've I've experienced.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, he should do watch Max Crosby when the
Raiders play. He calls for holding almost every single.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Time quarterback because he gets hailed every single time.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And I think he's also like it's like a coach
in basketball who calls out you know, like Phil Jackson
used to do this famously, to where he would question
officials or the like.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
There would be a strategy because if you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Make it known before the next game, then people are
going to be paying attention to it. And it's almost
like Max Crosby's like, all right, I'm getting held. I'm
gonna let it be known and be very dramatic about
it because I'm probably gonna get one or two calls
that are going to be a little bit suspect down
the road. Every single time he's rushing the quarterback, he's
claiming that he's being held, and he probably is. He
(11:36):
probably really is, honestly, what you got, Yeah, pretty good player.
He's he's in, he's in the conversation. He's been very dominant,
super bright spot for them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I still give it to.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Well MOUs is on some next level ish right now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Although I will say what's troubling about the Kareem Jackson
suspension was like, man, that Broncos defense can't catch a
break finally when they start to play and they're going
to be out Kareem Jackson. That's a that's that's unfortunate.
And then there's also a report out there from Brady's
guy Jason lockin forma uh yeah, or well because they're
(12:20):
the joke back in the day was Locking firma because
but again that's you know, something came up with Well,
we're not no, that's just something he's been given by
other people who aren't fans of.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, you know, he's a DC guy, So.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Baltimore, Baltimore, the big Baltimore guy.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
He was a beat writer for the Rich, the commanders.
What were you just about to say, Oh my god,
but he team I played for, I've seen him in
the lot. That was when he believed that's I mean,
I don't know if that was his first start, but
he was definitely with the post.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean, locking Forward did say that if Denver could
find a willing participant that they would trade in talking
to an anonymous GM, that they would be willing to trade.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Russell doesn't have to be anonymous, you know, like if
you could get rid of us, you know they going
and get.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Rid of him. It seems kind of obvious, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yes, Like you don't have to say, oh, anonymous, like
you're not giving no breaking news, that's not a military secret.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, I think, as the report read, the anonymous general
manager would only speak on the subject and answer on
the condition of being anonymous. So I think that's where
they know it's.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
A pretty respectful approach. I think, Look, Russell Wilson has
played better this year.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, he's I mean, statistically speaking, like everyone's trying to
make it out to be like there's still issues there,
Like he's actually played pretty well and the people have
talked to you that are close around the team that
talked about more of the wide receivers not helping him
out quite as much this season, and you know, I mean,
looking at it so far, there are two and five
(14:02):
football seeming a lot a lot of football have to
be played. They're not out of it. But he hasn't
played bad. I mean, he's throwing thirteen touchdowns to four interceptions.
He's completing sixty six percent of his passes. He's if
you're looking at a from a yards per game, they
haven't thrown for a ton. But I also feel like,
you know, some of their early struggles on offense have
(14:23):
kind of ironed itself out, and you know, maybe he's
not on pace for one of his more productive years
throwing the ball. But I don't I don't know that.
I don't know that we walked in this season thinking
that they were gonna light you know, the war on fire.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
So speak for yourself. I had him in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I did too, but I also thought that, well.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
They were going to light the world on fire, just
not in the type of fire, lighting it on fire type.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Of way that we were originally thinking. My picks are
so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh a lot of football left to be played.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
H Yeah, Well, for some teams there is.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
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LA Sports. A Fox College football analyst Pee. What's happening?
Good morning?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hi Pe?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hello, hello Ample, hello hello hello? Hello?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Is it over for USC?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Geez? Is it time to cash it in?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Huh so Qayla play any more games? Should should Lincoln
coach any more of them?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you want me to start? Or right there?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Right there, right there?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Well, I think they're in they're in some trouble. I mean,
there's no doubt about that. But it's it's really kind
of a confounding situation because I remember that we all
started with the remember how much fun we're going to
have with Lincoln Riley, And you don't know what it's like.
You don't even know how much fun Lincoln Riley is.
(16:31):
And I believe how know, Yeah, I'm not ready for
the imitations just yet, but I uh, I will, I
will say that it doesn't seem like that much fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Defense doesn't really or tackle. Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
He's banned a media member, which was embarrassing. Then they
turned around and in the history of USC for the
first time that any of us can remember, my father, me,
anybody in between, anybody after that, no one has ever
banned US players from speaking to the media in Los
(17:12):
Angeles after a loss, as if you're scared of what
they're going to say. And now Lincoln hasn't been a
practice for a couple of days. I guess he's got
some kind of illness, and I hope he's okay. Because
a head coach doesn't show up in practice, you feel
like it's some kind of serious problem. But anyway, Yeah,
a lot of the problems with USC, and a lot
(17:33):
of the stuff we saw them coming apart at the
seams is kind of coming to fruition now. And there
was a time that we can all sit on this
show and kind of look at each other and it
was unfathomable that Cal would have a chance to beat USC.
But is that unfathomable now, not really at all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I I love USC land eleven points last time I.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Looked, Actually, Cal's got a great back and USC hasn't.
They haven't tackled anybody. No. I felt that way about
Utah because I thought Utah just didn't have enough offense
coming in with a walk on quarterback, a safety at
tailback who had just carved up Cal. Cal did a
better job on the tailback safety than USC did. Yeah, Vaki,
(18:22):
see ony Vaki. So it's amazing. And a lot of
the stuff that us he gave up to Utah was schematic.
I mean, they had like stiff edge dudes on one
on one with Vaki throughout the game, and he just
continued to kill him in usc It's like they averaged
(18:42):
nine point seven five yards of carry in the Utah
game running the ball, and they just wouldn't run it.
They want to drop back and let Caleb Williams tap
the ball and run around. The offense doesn't work on
time and after a while, I mean, you guys have
seen this team, it's deteriorated. And now that you've lost
(19:03):
two games with a bunch of Mercenary players from all
over the place, and you're not playing for a national
championship anymore, which I guess Lincoln Riley somehow said was
never the goal, even though he's quoted as saying it's
the goal like twenty times in the offseason. I just
don't know if these guys are going to be able
to like lock arms and summon it for each other
(19:26):
and make something meaningful out of the season.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I mean, answer your question, LeVar, I do yes. I
think they're in trouble.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
They still obviously have their PAC twelve hopes alive, though
they're only trump one game sure conference play.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
And that's what people said after a Notre Dame Brady.
They said, well they still you haven't lost a conference game.
It's like, yeah, but the riding is on the wall.
Think So, I mean, okay, let me throw this at you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Do you think they can summon themselves, Brady?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I do, because I think Caleb is that special, and
I think they've got enough skill between you know, Brendan
Rice and Zachariyer, Branch and touch. I'd like all these guys,
even Marshaun Lloyd. But I guess the one thing I
want to throw at you, because you've got such good
perspective on this is through this point in time at
Clay Helton's career, he has the exact same record as
Lincoln Riley. Is that damning when you kind of think
(20:17):
back to the Clay Hilton era and then where Lincoln's
at now and all the hype and everything else he came.
Is that like when you hear that, is that why
you say this is headed in the wrong direction?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Yes, because when you hear the stuff that was said
after they lost to Tulane throughout the off season, we
will have an elite defense. This is the worst will
ever be. You know, all of those different things, and
you look at this team and you look at some
of the effort on defense. You look at how the
d line and the linebackers don't seem to be on
(20:50):
the same page as far as slanting and twisting and
all the stuff they do, and then they don't fill
those gaps and they get gashed. And you look at
the team and you say, a last year's team was better,
and a lot of the way they practice, a lot
of the lack of physicality, the undisciplined play, the penalties,
the idiot tow waivers on the sideline that are paid
(21:13):
to jump around and win the house.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Guys. I love those guys though.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
That's what interesting because you're a Notre Dame fan and
it makes us he look stupid. That's why you love it.
Come on, it's gollege football. Another video. Go do a
video with him then and put it out with. My
point is all of those things feel a lot like
Clay Helton, Brady. I mean, doesn't it feel like the
(21:38):
only thing that doesn't feel like Clay Helton is that
Caleb Williams is really good.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well simulator. I don't know if the golf simulator is
still there.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I bet you it is.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Do you think, though Lincoln would let a homeless guy
come in and start returning punts and practice.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Why not at least you show up on like Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Wow, we don't know what's wrong with him. Jonas, Well,
we'll delete it from the podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
But yeah, wrong, it looks like me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's the way to look at it.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, that's what I had. I couldn't walk. So I
just I.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Heard you had the gout from the rich foods.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Man, I don't know about the rich foods, but that's
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's a rich man's disease.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
On Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He used to be a customer at the restaurant back
in a humbler times.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You know that for you?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, back when he just had the one restaurant.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
That was who he was. I was like, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Old?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, he's older. Now what would your what would your
dad say?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Stop? But I'm just asking listen.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
He introduced this is Wolfgang Punk is very famous show.
I want to get back to us. He is like
us with Clay Hilton and the answer it's a very
smart question and the answer is yes, they're they're worse
and and and you know the thing about Kayleb Williams.
And I've been very fair with Kayleb Williams. I don't
(22:55):
care about the nail painting. I don't care about the
self importance. I mean, you give me twenty million dollars
when I was that age, i'd be dead. But if
you lose a game, when you lose a game, because
it feels like they're going to lose more, just get
off the field. If you're not, if you're too mad
to shake hands, then just get up the damn tunnel.
(23:18):
Come on, what are we doing? You know, just to
sit there and have to be coaxed off the bench
by one of those towel waivers. Is it's a bad look.
You know, you're the leader of the team. Get up,
run up the tunnel. That that bothered me. You know,
he of course knows all the cameras are on him,
and yes, yes, everybody can see you're disappointed. And then
(23:41):
you turn around and you don't talk to the media,
and you turn around and you don't show up for
your nil.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Show this week. So it's like, I don't know, is
USC coming apart? You tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
It does feel like. And I was watching when they
were playing Arizona. There was like a state of panic
in Link and Riley on the sideline that he was
almost out of answers, like he couldn't believe the ego
and the arrogance there, They couldn't believe that they were
in this much of a dogfight with Arizona in a
game like that, And then you watch him the week
(24:13):
after with Notre Dame. They just dismiss everything that happened
and said, listen, this isn't a conference game.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Then this past week they lose to Utah in he
doesn't let the players, as you laid out, talk to
the media. Then he's sick and doesn't show up to practice,
he misses his coaches show. It feels like this is
the slow exit for him that I don't see how
he's back next year with USC if there's an offer
that comes from an NFL team.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It feels like he's gone after this year. Do you
get that sense as well too.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Or Texas A and M Yeah, I look like that
USC has a new athletic director and she wasn't able
to fix the beat Rider thing in time.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I'm sure she wasn't able to fix the we're.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Not talking to the media thing in time, and that
was obviously a decision and Lincoln Riley made and she's
got to deal with Lincoln Riley. She's got to tell him,
we'd love to have you here, but a lot of
these Midwest media policies have to end. And you are
going to do this, this, and this regarding your staff.
(25:18):
And if that's not savory to you, if you don't
like what I'm putting down as opposed to the guy
that hired you, the old Bonerino, feel free to look
for another job.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
She's got to do that.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I mean, this is her moment to take control of
a guy who's almost lost all of his shine in
the city of Los Angeles, and that's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
It won't sound the same, though, will it. I like
the way she says it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I don't know how she talks.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, I mean if Bonerino was there, how would it
sound if he was out of that conversation?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Well, Bonorino was fired for inappropriate conduct. You know, I
don't know what you guys want from me.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean what they want from you.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
You guys don't even know how great? Yes, yes, yes, sorry,
it took me a little while. It's good.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, you hit it, you don't, Yeah, you don't miss
pee happier times.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Indeed, those were happier times.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
No, but it's sad to watch USC kind of fall
apart at the seams. But when you look at what
a finesse team they are, and you look at the
teams that compete for the championship every year without the
burp in the universe TCU, uh, you kind of you
kind of feel stupid for joining all the hype train.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I mean, is is you cling to get him this year?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Probably they play defense.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
UCLA's got three cornerbacks though, and Chip not gonna tell
anybody who's going to play.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
The freshman quarterback has seemed to have lost all confidence,
Dante more and I know for a fact that the
team wants the other two guys to play. Ethan Garber's
hasn't really played much at all this year. He finally
started last week and looked good, and he looked good
when he started the Sun Bowl. But they also have
that guy. Hey, look at me. It's Colin Shlee from
(27:11):
Kent State. So sorry, I just love the guy's name,
like I like to think of like Chip, Like you know,
when they ask about quarterbacks and he goes, yeah, you know,
Dante and Ethan and then in the background, Colin sticks
his head up and goes, it's me, Colin Slee, It's me.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
But so other than the quarterback situation, I mean, j
Mike stern Evant, the guy that transferred from Cal that's
at UCLA. Hell, he'd had better stats if he stated
Cal with the quarterback rotation, and he's a great receiver,
and then they have Carson Steele and Harden and some
tough backs and they have a great defense. UCLA's problem
(27:54):
is a quarterback. In a couple of weeks, they might
have that short up and then yeah, us he would
be in trouble, deep trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
What about Oregon? What about Washington? I mean it's not
like us.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
He's got Arizona and Arizona State left on the schedule here, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, it could be approach meate there, Arizon a stage show,
some life last week, My guys, skataboo what he was skataboo.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, Skataboo runs hard, Skataboo boos.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
He angers the opponent as well as Yeah, and you
know that's what those are. The type of games though,
if you're gonna have a championship type of season, You're
gonna come out and your team is not going to
look like your team. You know, I think it happens
in pro football, and I know what happens in college,
and it could happen at home, it could happen on
(28:39):
the road. Like Jonas was saying, you're you're outraged that
you're in a situation where a team has got you
in a dog fight and they're not supposed to and
you got to find a way to survive that game
and us he did with Arizona, except they just turned
around and lost a Notre Dame and got dominated for
four quarters. Washington was able to overcome against Arizona State.
(28:59):
I think they'll be able to recover themselves and look
more like Washington than USC did after they were tested.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
What game he got this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
B oh, I got a good game in the Mountain West,
A one loss un LV team against a one loss
Fresno State team in Presno.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Let's go about.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Barry otam Man. What a job he's done. Huh.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
He reminds me of the old mid car jobber in
the WWF Barry O.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Is it Barry Horowitz or no?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
They would just go Berry.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Oh No, I met Barry Otam in Vegas when we
were there in the summer, Brady, and I was really
impressed with him. You know, he was at Missoo and
all that, and he'd been in the SEC and he
he's got UNLV going in the right direction with a
freshman quarterback. And we all know Jeff Tedford at Fresno.
(29:50):
So that'll be a good game.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, it's a Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Are you upset that Skittles are gone from California?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Somebody just gave me a huge bag illegal skittles at
the radio remote.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm sorry what happened?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Contraband we live in California, Brady. Pretty soon it's gonna
be like Leningrad in the eighties. Yeah, So, no more Skittles.
The food coloring is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
No more Skittles.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well why is only California then doing that? Shouldn't everyone
be worried about that?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well we're trend centers here in California.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So okay, yeah, no more skittles.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
So yeah, but somebody gave me a bag of skittles.
And I hate to say, you know, like somebody falls
to the bottle at night.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I fell to the bag. Dang a couple of handfuls to.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
The I mean people have been trying to bout that
ish like crazy. And uh the what the Cheetos, the
fiery Cheetos.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's the red food coloring.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I think that thereafter, But LeVar, I will, uh, I'll
bring these skills for you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, I've still got some.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Like everybody loves these hot hot cheetos out here though.
It's a wild like phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, now the hot talkies are taking over for.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
The hot hockeyes.
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We will be back on the air coming up tomorrow
six am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific. As we look
ahead to Week eight in the NFL. Bucks and Bills, Yeah, so,
(32:30):
who knows? Maybe the Bills can.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Bounce back. The can the Bills bounce back?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Bills better bounce back?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, well, the buck's better too if they want to
have you know, I guess not really in the NFC
South not not to think about that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Three and three yeah, kind of hanging around there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's that the Panthers.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, they seem like that's going in the opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
They're gonna win a few though, you know, like this
is one of those weeks where you're like, all right,
like Houston's favorite, Houston should win. But after this past
week in the NFL, like, don't you kind of go like,
I don't know what the hell is gonna happen week
by week. So much fun though it is, that's what
makes it fun.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, and there's a long long way to go. We're
only in We're leaning in October, so we got several
more months of this fun stuff here. But we will
talk about more of that fun stuff coming up tomorrow
six am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific. Before we get
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Speaker 2 (33:42):
Let's go to the news desk. No, here's Brady Quinn yay.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And today's news is brought to you by the great
State of Florida. Our first story starts off with a
Florida woman being charged with duy and murder. That's right, Bern.
Her husband came home to find that their gate was open,
and as they decided to go out and look for
their dog, the husband departed the car and next thing
(34:09):
you know, authorities found the man lying unconscious in the street,
and the woman behind the wheel claims she does not
recall any incident in which she hit and ran over
her husband, but that's what she's being accused of this
point in time. Wow, it was noted in the police
report that there was an odor and smelled like alcohol
was under her breath, which led to the DUI.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Now that's some drinking, like you pull a two pack
like that, murder and UI.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
But then's your husband. Geez, sounds a little deliberate to me.
I mean, Christmas just got cheaper for her.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know what's unfortunate about the story too, is they
doesn't really say anything else about the dog, Like, I
don't know if they ever found the dog, what happens
to the dog? I mean, clearly one of the owners
is no longer with us, and the other one.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Is gonna be hit too soon to lap at day.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm just saying, like, who, now, where's the dog?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Like, it's just yeah, dog gets kind of screwed through
this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, Like, but it doesn't talk about that in the
story at all.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
All right, moving on.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
A Florida woman is falling a lawsuit for eating a
black chicken nugget from Chick fil A. That's right. She
claims in this lawsuit that she bit into this nugget
that was filled with black meat, apparently, and immediately became
became nauseated, ill, started vomiting, suffered from cramping, diarrhea, all
(35:33):
the things. And she's now seeking over fifty thousand dollars
in damages.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Now, what do you think it was like a piece
of charcoal? I don't know, Like what, why would the chicken?
I'll not go a touchdown bar on this.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Oh my gosh, oh my black meat. She's sick.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Oh my god, black meat you're eating on I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You better go and.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Stay with her.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean LaVar or Lee. Please speak up, like what
what's the problem.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I don't I don't know. It's gotta be there's got
to be something to that. You got, Lee, I always
like the dark meat.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Lee would where are the rest of the loose black nuggets?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Black meat?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
One more story, a deputy was suspended after investigators found
that she used the database to identify the owner of
a vehicle spouted outside of her ex boyfriend's home. So,
oh wow, is finest?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Obviously that's a perk that comes with the job.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
So that should be allowed, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, well, I mean you want to find out some
stuff that you look into it. It's like, you know,
if we want you want to find out some information
on you know, some sports or some scandal, and sports
would make a couple of calls.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's part of the perks that come with your job.
Nothing wrong with that, Well far, no issue with this.
I just want to revisit the.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Call the last minute.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
We're not going back, all right, We're going out of here.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It looks black, don't it? Out of here?
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So we were talking earlier in the show about Dion
(01:17):
Sanders coming out and just saying, listen, you know much
to do about nothing when it comes to this sign
stealing stuff. You know, kind of commonplace. You still got
to stop it, so on and so forth, and so
somebody in the state of Colorado, there's been some stopping
that has been done. So there was a suspension, a
four game suspension that was handed out to Kareem Jackson,
(01:40):
who's a repeat offender of you know, some personal fouls
and illegal.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Hits over the past. Did you see it? Hey, he
let some people up. It's what he does well while
they're on the ground.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Can we talk about this one though, this most recent one.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
What's the so now, just to let everybody know, the
suspension has been reduced from four games to two games
by Derek Brooks stepped in and reduced it, which I.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Think this more has to do with some of the
previous hits more so than this one. Just in my opinion,
for this reason and LeVar you could speak to this.
Usually when a player catches a football, all right, until
he completes the process of the catch and becomes or
is defined as a runner, Okay, they get protection. They're
(02:27):
considered defenseless, so you can't hit him to the head
and neck area. And that kind of stands true whether
it's in college or NFL. The difference in this case
is when Luke Musgrave caught the football, he kind of
spun and pirouetted and he took three steps. And I
always feel like there's a timing element of it for
(02:50):
defenders where and even in a play like this where
you're kind of saying yourself, it was a great area
as to at what point did he become a runner?
Ninety nine percent of catches like that where you take
you catch the football, take three steps, you're defined as
a runner at that point, and so you don't get
(03:10):
those protections as being a defensiless player. In this case, though,
because of how he caught the ball and how he
kind of spun and maybe it was even kind of
going to the ground or however you want to look
at it, it then allowed him to still be considered
defenseless in this case, and some of the angles I saw,
it looked like even though Kareem Jackson did lead with
his head, his initial contact was actually to the shoulder pad,
(03:35):
which also made it not a penalty at least in
my opinion from that vantage point. So I kind of
felt like the reaction to the hit, because it was vicious,
immediately created this thought that, Okay, it was another legal hit,
this guy's done it before. But I don't I don't
know if that was actually true in this case, Like
(03:57):
this was one of those hits that I thought was
borderline because of the unique kind of play and how
it was, But I don't know if it warned him
getting the two games suspension everything along with it, or
even a penalty in this case.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'm right there with you. I feel like, in this
my understanding, my idea of it as a defender, if
you get there and you make contact and you can
dislodge the ball, that's legal. Did he drop his head, Yes,
he dropped his head and he led with the crown
of his head. So maybe they're looking at it from
(04:31):
the idea of intent because he did not hit him
with his head. His head never made contact with Musgrave's head.
And like you said, the initial contact was made to
his shoulder. In theory, it was an it looked like
an ugly valient hit, but it should have been a
(04:53):
legit hit. Like I know you're trying to protect the
receivers and like the whole defenseless receipt type of deal,
But I mean, I feel as though you should have
the ability to strike a receiver to try to dislodge
the ball if you're getting there, And you mentioned it's
a timing thing. He got there on time, he had
(05:16):
the ball hit, the ball was coming into possession. He
hit him, but he had his shoulder and the guy
turned into him as well too, So his intent when
he saw him was hey, back towards me. Maybe he
was trying to launch him out of bounds, and then
the guys ended up turning and facing him. I just
don't understand the idea of you need to be able
(05:39):
to adjust in real time at high rates of speed
on a moving target, and if you don't, you're getting
popped this amount of dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And this many time.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
If you're putting your head down like he did drop
his head, he did lead with the crown of his
head and maybe that's why you're calling it. Maybe that's
why they looked at it as how he target get
him with the hit, like the intent of it, and
that's most likely I would assume that's most likely why
d Brooks uh shortened, you know, abbreviated the suspension and
(06:13):
and and didn't keep it to the four because if
it was egregious where he led with the crown of
his head and he hit that receiver with the crown
of his head, I'm certain that four games expension would
have stood.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
How many times do you think Derek Brooks watched the
video before he said what a what a hell of
a hit, Like you.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Know, Derek, you can go on you can go online
and here Derek Brooks micd up for sound and some
of the things OGB said is off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Like he saw one one take of it and was like, yeah,
that'll be two games of knock knock your face off,
Like I'll knock your face away.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Crane's played in the league a long time man, you know,
like he's he's an og in the league. He's played
a long time, like he know, he knows this league
as well as anyone. I really didn't feel like this hit,
there was ill intent outside of hitting someone with the
type of tenacity that you'd like to in the league. Now,
(07:09):
maybe you could say for some of the other hits
that he's been flagged for or fine for would fit
that category. I was watching that one in real time
and I was like, Man, I don't know if it
just kind of felt like there was enough time for
Musgrave to possess the football be deemed a runner and
we're not really even having this conversation if that's the case,
you know, that's just the reality of it. So I
(07:30):
don't know. I feel like he's unfortunately because of some
of the past hits, they're trying to throw this one
in that category and it just it doesn't fit the bill.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Well, what's crazy is is, like you said, Jonas, he's adjusting.
He's adjusting to the catch, so he gets the ball.
He gets the ball, one foot down, two feet down,
he spends and then he lowers his head. But the
entirety of the blow, no matter how you want to
(07:58):
shake it up, he did lower his head, but the
entirety of the blow is on his shoulder. Now, if
you're saying you're getting two game suspensions for hitting guys
on the shoulders now and maybe it's because you have
your head down. I just think that that's a that's
(08:18):
that's sad for football. But like I think that's the
only way I can kind of kind of can put
put a conclusion to it. That's sad for the sport
of football. You know, you just you just think, you know,
I mean, you touch quarterbacks anymore, you're getting a flag,
like I have seen more. I don't know why they
don't just create a rule where they just specifically say
(08:41):
do not touch the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Like I would be more.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I would I would feel more comfort knowing that they
created a zone and once you penetrate that zone, the
play is dead. Like give give the give the defenders fear,
fear opportunit unity because if you're if you're saying okay
and you're gonna you're you know you're going to disqualify
(09:06):
getting you know, strip sacks and stuff like that. But
if you don't want the quarterback getting touched because some
of the some of the first off the holding this
year is freaking egregious. Like I thought it was the
funniest deal, And I know I'm all over the place,
but I thought it was the funniest deal when when, uh,
what's what's our guy to receiver that that's now the
(09:27):
caller on on the big Games, Chris collins Collinsworth, Right.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's like, look at the way Kelsey is moving. Kelsey's
dead ass.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Wholding the dude on a replay Like they showed like three,
like three replays like look at the way Ray Ray
McCleod and the Ray Rays Wama, baby, look at the
way he's blaying. He's got his arms outside of him.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And he said, look.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
At the way he's done. Look at the way Kelsey moves.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, we could actually have our Chris Collinsworth impersonator
do it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You know, let's let's hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, I gotta tell you, like, for all the
conversation about track is Kelsey and what he does, him
and Patrick Mahomes are in sync. They're always open, seemingly
he's always catching passes and a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I mean, but what about Jason and his block?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Like I got it?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
And then and then you go to Jason Kelsey and
you just see the way he blocks and I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
He's holding Like, yeah, that's good that from you.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
First ballad Hall of Famer golly.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That's really good. It is really good.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
But I just think the amount of non calls that
are taking place and then the ones that they seem
to be focusing in on making. I just I don't know, man,
It's just it's just very disheartening watching the way, honestly,
And I've never I've always said just deal with the refs.
I think this year, to me, has been the singularly
(10:46):
most disheartening year for NFL refereeing that I've I've experienced.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, he should do watch Max Crosby when the
Raiders play. He calls for holding almost every single.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Time quarterback because he gets hailed every single time.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And I think he's also like it's like a coach
in basketball who calls out you know, like Phil Jackson
used to do this famously, to where he would question
officials or the like.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
There would be a strategy because if you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Make it known before the next game, then people are
going to be paying attention to it. And it's almost
like Max Crosby's like, all right, I'm getting held. I'm
gonna let it be known and be very dramatic about
it because I'm probably gonna get one or two calls
that are going to be a little bit suspect down
the road. Every single time he's rushing the quarterback, he's
claiming that he's being held, and he probably is. He
(11:36):
probably really is, honestly, what you got, Yeah, pretty good player.
He's he's in, he's in the conversation. He's been very dominant,
super bright spot for them.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I still give it to.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Well MOUs is on some next level ish right now,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Although I will say what's troubling about the Kareem Jackson
suspension was like, man, that Broncos defense can't catch a
break finally when they start to play and they're going
to be out Kareem Jackson. That's a that's that's unfortunate.
And then there's also a report out there from Brady's
guy Jason lockin forma uh yeah, or well because they're
(12:20):
the joke back in the day was Locking firma because
but again that's you know, something came up with Well,
we're not no, that's just something he's been given by
other people who aren't fans of.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Well, you know, he's a DC guy, So.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Baltimore, Baltimore, the big Baltimore guy.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
He was a beat writer for the Rich, the commanders.
What were you just about to say, Oh my god,
but he team I played for, I've seen him in
the lot. That was when he believed that's I mean,
I don't know if that was his first start, but
he was definitely with the post.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean, locking Forward did say that if Denver could
find a willing participant that they would trade in talking
to an anonymous GM, that they would be willing to trade.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Russell doesn't have to be anonymous, you know, like if
you could get rid of us, you know they going
and get.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Rid of him. It seems kind of obvious, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yes, Like you don't have to say, oh, anonymous, like
you're not giving no breaking news, that's not a military secret.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, I think, as the report read, the anonymous general
manager would only speak on the subject and answer on
the condition of being anonymous. So I think that's where
they know it's.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
A pretty respectful approach. I think, Look, Russell Wilson has
played better this year.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, he's I mean, statistically speaking, like everyone's trying to
make it out to be like there's still issues there,
Like he's actually played pretty well and the people have
talked to you that are close around the team that
talked about more of the wide receivers not helping him
out quite as much this season, and you know, I mean,
looking at it so far, there are two and five
(14:02):
football seeming a lot a lot of football have to
be played. They're not out of it. But he hasn't
played bad. I mean, he's throwing thirteen touchdowns to four interceptions.
He's completing sixty six percent of his passes. He's if
you're looking at a from a yards per game, they
haven't thrown for a ton. But I also feel like,
you know, some of their early struggles on offense have
(14:23):
kind of ironed itself out, and you know, maybe he's
not on pace for one of his more productive years
throwing the ball. But I don't I don't know that.
I don't know that we walked in this season thinking
that they were gonna light you know, the war on fire.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
So speak for yourself. I had him in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I did too, but I also thought that, well.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
They were going to light the world on fire, just
not in the type of fire, lighting it on fire type.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Of way that we were originally thinking. My picks are
so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh a lot of football left to be played.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
H Yeah, Well, for some teams there is.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
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LA Sports. A Fox College football analyst Pee. What's happening?
Good morning?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hi Pe?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hello, hello Ample, hello hello hello? Hello?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Is it over for USC?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Geez? Is it time to cash it in?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Huh so Qayla play any more games? Should should Lincoln
coach any more of them?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you want me to start? Or right there?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Right there, right there?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Well, I think they're in they're in some trouble. I mean,
there's no doubt about that. But it's it's really kind
of a confounding situation because I remember that we all
started with the remember how much fun we're going to
have with Lincoln Riley, And you don't know what it's like.
You don't even know how much fun Lincoln Riley is.
(16:31):
And I believe how know, Yeah, I'm not ready for
the imitations just yet, but I uh, I will, I
will say that it doesn't seem like that much fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Defense doesn't really or tackle. Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
He's banned a media member, which was embarrassing. Then they
turned around and in the history of USC for the
first time that any of us can remember, my father, me,
anybody in between, anybody after that, no one has ever
banned US players from speaking to the media in Los
(17:12):
Angeles after a loss, as if you're scared of what
they're going to say. And now Lincoln hasn't been a
practice for a couple of days. I guess he's got
some kind of illness, and I hope he's okay. Because
a head coach doesn't show up in practice, you feel
like it's some kind of serious problem. But anyway, Yeah,
a lot of the problems with USC, and a lot
(17:33):
of the stuff we saw them coming apart at the
seams is kind of coming to fruition now. And there
was a time that we can all sit on this
show and kind of look at each other and it
was unfathomable that Cal would have a chance to beat USC.
But is that unfathomable now, not really at all.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I I love USC land eleven points last time I.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Looked, Actually, Cal's got a great back and USC hasn't.
They haven't tackled anybody. No. I felt that way about
Utah because I thought Utah just didn't have enough offense
coming in with a walk on quarterback, a safety at
tailback who had just carved up Cal. Cal did a
better job on the tailback safety than USC did. Yeah, Vaki,
(18:22):
see ony Vaki. So it's amazing. And a lot of
the stuff that us he gave up to Utah was schematic.
I mean, they had like stiff edge dudes on one
on one with Vaki throughout the game, and he just
continued to kill him in usc It's like they averaged
(18:42):
nine point seven five yards of carry in the Utah
game running the ball, and they just wouldn't run it.
They want to drop back and let Caleb Williams tap
the ball and run around. The offense doesn't work on
time and after a while, I mean, you guys have
seen this team, it's deteriorated. And now that you've lost
(19:03):
two games with a bunch of Mercenary players from all
over the place, and you're not playing for a national
championship anymore, which I guess Lincoln Riley somehow said was
never the goal, even though he's quoted as saying it's
the goal like twenty times in the offseason. I just
don't know if these guys are going to be able
to like lock arms and summon it for each other
(19:26):
and make something meaningful out of the season.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I mean, answer your question, LeVar, I do yes. I
think they're in trouble.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
They still obviously have their PAC twelve hopes alive, though
they're only trump one game sure conference play.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
And that's what people said after a Notre Dame Brady.
They said, well they still you haven't lost a conference game.
It's like, yeah, but the riding is on the wall.
Think So, I mean, okay, let me throw this at you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Do you think they can summon themselves, Brady?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I do, because I think Caleb is that special, and
I think they've got enough skill between you know, Brendan
Rice and Zachariyer, Branch and touch. I'd like all these guys,
even Marshaun Lloyd. But I guess the one thing I
want to throw at you, because you've got such good
perspective on this is through this point in time at
Clay Helton's career, he has the exact same record as
Lincoln Riley. Is that damning when you kind of think
(20:17):
back to the Clay Hilton era and then where Lincoln's
at now and all the hype and everything else he came.
Is that like when you hear that, is that why
you say this is headed in the wrong direction?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Yes, because when you hear the stuff that was said
after they lost to Tulane throughout the off season, we
will have an elite defense. This is the worst will
ever be. You know, all of those different things, and
you look at this team and you look at some
of the effort on defense. You look at how the
d line and the linebackers don't seem to be on
(20:50):
the same page as far as slanting and twisting and
all the stuff they do, and then they don't fill
those gaps and they get gashed. And you look at
the team and you say, a last year's team was better,
and a lot of the way they practice, a lot
of the lack of physicality, the undisciplined play, the penalties,
the idiot tow waivers on the sideline that are paid
(21:13):
to jump around and win the house.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Guys. I love those guys though.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
That's what interesting because you're a Notre Dame fan and
it makes us he look stupid. That's why you love it.
Come on, it's gollege football. Another video. Go do a
video with him then and put it out with. My
point is all of those things feel a lot like
Clay Helton, Brady. I mean, doesn't it feel like the
(21:38):
only thing that doesn't feel like Clay Helton is that
Caleb Williams is really good.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well simulator. I don't know if the golf simulator is
still there.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I bet you it is.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Do you think, though Lincoln would let a homeless guy
come in and start returning punts and practice.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Why not at least you show up on like Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Wow, we don't know what's wrong with him. Jonas, Well,
we'll delete it from the podcast.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
But yeah, wrong, it looks like me.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's the way to look at it.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, that's what I had. I couldn't walk. So I
just I.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Heard you had the gout from the rich foods.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Man, I don't know about the rich foods, but that's
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's a rich man's disease.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
On Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He used to be a customer at the restaurant back
in a humbler times.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
You know that for you?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, back when he just had the one restaurant.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
That was who he was. I was like, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Old?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, he's older. Now what would your what would your
dad say?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Stop? But I'm just asking listen.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
He introduced this is Wolfgang Punk is very famous show.
I want to get back to us. He is like
us with Clay Hilton and the answer it's a very
smart question and the answer is yes, they're they're worse
and and and you know the thing about Kayleb Williams.
And I've been very fair with Kayleb Williams. I don't
(22:55):
care about the nail painting. I don't care about the
self importance. I mean, you give me twenty million dollars
when I was that age, i'd be dead. But if
you lose a game, when you lose a game, because
it feels like they're going to lose more, just get
off the field. If you're not, if you're too mad
to shake hands, then just get up the damn tunnel.
(23:18):
Come on, what are we doing? You know, just to
sit there and have to be coaxed off the bench
by one of those towel waivers. Is it's a bad look.
You know, you're the leader of the team. Get up,
run up the tunnel. That that bothered me. You know,
he of course knows all the cameras are on him,
and yes, yes, everybody can see you're disappointed. And then
(23:41):
you turn around and you don't talk to the media,
and you turn around and you don't show up for
your nil.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Show this week. So it's like, I don't know, is
USC coming apart? You tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
It does feel like. And I was watching when they
were playing Arizona. There was like a state of panic
in Link and Riley on the sideline that he was
almost out of answers, like he couldn't believe the ego
and the arrogance there, They couldn't believe that they were
in this much of a dogfight with Arizona in a
game like that, And then you watch him the week
(24:13):
after with Notre Dame. They just dismiss everything that happened
and said, listen, this isn't a conference game.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Then this past week they lose to Utah in he
doesn't let the players, as you laid out, talk to
the media. Then he's sick and doesn't show up to practice,
he misses his coaches show. It feels like this is
the slow exit for him that I don't see how
he's back next year with USC if there's an offer
that comes from an NFL team.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It feels like he's gone after this year. Do you
get that sense as well too.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Or Texas A and M Yeah, I look like that
USC has a new athletic director and she wasn't able
to fix the beat Rider thing in time.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I'm sure she wasn't able to fix the we're.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Not talking to the media thing in time, and that
was obviously a decision and Lincoln Riley made and she's
got to deal with Lincoln Riley. She's got to tell him,
we'd love to have you here, but a lot of
these Midwest media policies have to end. And you are
going to do this, this, and this regarding your staff.
(25:18):
And if that's not savory to you, if you don't
like what I'm putting down as opposed to the guy
that hired you, the old Bonerino, feel free to look
for another job.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
She's got to do that.
Speaker 7 (25:29):
I mean, this is her moment to take control of
a guy who's almost lost all of his shine in
the city of Los Angeles, and that's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
It won't sound the same, though, will it. I like
the way she says it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, I don't know how she talks.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, I mean if Bonerino was there, how would it
sound if he was out of that conversation?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Well, Bonorino was fired for inappropriate conduct. You know, I
don't know what you guys want from me.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean what they want from you.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
You guys don't even know how great? Yes, yes, yes, sorry,
it took me a little while. It's good.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, you hit it, you don't, Yeah, you don't miss
pee happier times.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Indeed, those were happier times.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
No, but it's sad to watch USC kind of fall
apart at the seams. But when you look at what
a finesse team they are, and you look at the
teams that compete for the championship every year without the
burp in the universe TCU, uh, you kind of you
kind of feel stupid for joining all the hype train.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I mean, is is you cling to get him this year?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Probably they play defense.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
UCLA's got three cornerbacks though, and Chip not gonna tell
anybody who's going to play.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
The freshman quarterback has seemed to have lost all confidence,
Dante more and I know for a fact that the
team wants the other two guys to play. Ethan Garber's
hasn't really played much at all this year. He finally
started last week and looked good, and he looked good
when he started the Sun Bowl. But they also have
that guy. Hey, look at me. It's Colin Shlee from
(27:11):
Kent State. So sorry, I just love the guy's name,
like I like to think of like Chip, Like you know,
when they ask about quarterbacks and he goes, yeah, you know,
Dante and Ethan and then in the background, Colin sticks
his head up and goes, it's me, Colin Slee, It's me.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
But so other than the quarterback situation, I mean, j
Mike stern Evant, the guy that transferred from Cal that's
at UCLA. Hell, he'd had better stats if he stated
Cal with the quarterback rotation, and he's a great receiver,
and then they have Carson Steele and Harden and some
tough backs and they have a great defense. UCLA's problem
(27:54):
is a quarterback. In a couple of weeks, they might
have that short up and then yeah, us he would
be in trouble, deep trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
What about Oregon? What about Washington? I mean it's not
like us.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
He's got Arizona and Arizona State left on the schedule here, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, it could be approach meate there, Arizon a stage show,
some life last week, My guys, skataboo what he was skataboo.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, Skataboo runs hard, Skataboo boos.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
He angers the opponent as well as Yeah, and you
know that's what those are. The type of games though,
if you're gonna have a championship type of season, You're
gonna come out and your team is not going to
look like your team. You know, I think it happens
in pro football, and I know what happens in college,
and it could happen at home, it could happen on
(28:39):
the road. Like Jonas was saying, you're you're outraged that
you're in a situation where a team has got you
in a dog fight and they're not supposed to and
you got to find a way to survive that game
and us he did with Arizona, except they just turned
around and lost a Notre Dame and got dominated for
four quarters. Washington was able to overcome against Arizona State.
(28:59):
I think they'll be able to recover themselves and look
more like Washington than USC did after they were tested.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
What game he got this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
B oh, I got a good game in the Mountain West,
A one loss un LV team against a one loss
Fresno State team in Presno.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Let's go about.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Barry otam Man. What a job he's done. Huh.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
He reminds me of the old mid car jobber in
the WWF Barry O.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Is it Barry Horowitz or no?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
They would just go Berry.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Oh No, I met Barry Otam in Vegas when we
were there in the summer, Brady, and I was really
impressed with him. You know, he was at Missoo and
all that, and he'd been in the SEC and he
he's got UNLV going in the right direction with a
freshman quarterback. And we all know Jeff Tedford at Fresno.
(29:50):
So that'll be a good game.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, it's a Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Are you upset that Skittles are gone from California?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Somebody just gave me a huge bag illegal skittles at
the radio remote.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm sorry what happened?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Contraband we live in California, Brady. Pretty soon it's gonna
be like Leningrad in the eighties. Yeah, So, no more Skittles.
The food coloring is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
No more Skittles.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well why is only California then doing that? Shouldn't everyone
be worried about that?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well we're trend centers here in California.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So okay, yeah, no more skittles.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
So yeah, but somebody gave me a bag of skittles.
And I hate to say, you know, like somebody falls
to the bottle at night.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I fell to the bag. Dang a couple of handfuls to.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
The I mean people have been trying to bout that
ish like crazy. And uh the what the Cheetos, the
fiery Cheetos.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's the red food coloring.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I think that thereafter, But LeVar, I will, uh, I'll
bring these skills for you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I mean, I've still got some.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Like everybody loves these hot hot cheetos out here though.
It's a wild like phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, now the hot talkies are taking over for.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
The hot hockeyes.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
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ahead to Week eight in the NFL. Bucks and Bills, Yeah, so,
(32:30):
who knows? Maybe the Bills can.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Bounce back. The can the Bills bounce back?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Bills better bounce back?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, well, the buck's better too if they want to
have you know, I guess not really in the NFC
South not not to think about that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Three and three yeah, kind of hanging around there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's that the Panthers.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, they seem like that's going in the opposite.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
They're gonna win a few though, you know, like this
is one of those weeks where you're like, all right,
like Houston's favorite, Houston should win. But after this past
week in the NFL, like, don't you kind of go like,
I don't know what the hell is gonna happen week
by week. So much fun though it is, that's what
makes it fun.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, and there's a long long way to go. We're
only in We're leaning in October, so we got several
more months of this fun stuff here. But we will
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Let's go to the news desk. No, here's Brady Quinn yay.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And today's news is brought to you by the great
State of Florida. Our first story starts off with a
Florida woman being charged with duy and murder. That's right, Bern.
Her husband came home to find that their gate was open,
and as they decided to go out and look for
their dog, the husband departed the car and next thing
(34:09):
you know, authorities found the man lying unconscious in the street,
and the woman behind the wheel claims she does not
recall any incident in which she hit and ran over
her husband, but that's what she's being accused of this
point in time. Wow, it was noted in the police
report that there was an odor and smelled like alcohol
was under her breath, which led to the DUI.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Now that's some drinking, like you pull a two pack
like that, murder and UI.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
But then's your husband. Geez, sounds a little deliberate to me.
I mean, Christmas just got cheaper for her.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know what's unfortunate about the story too, is they
doesn't really say anything else about the dog, Like, I
don't know if they ever found the dog, what happens
to the dog? I mean, clearly one of the owners
is no longer with us, and the other one.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Is gonna be hit too soon to lap at day.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm just saying, like, who, now, where's the dog?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Like, it's just yeah, dog gets kind of screwed through
this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, Like, but it doesn't talk about that in the
story at all.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
All right, moving on.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
A Florida woman is falling a lawsuit for eating a
black chicken nugget from Chick fil A. That's right. She
claims in this lawsuit that she bit into this nugget
that was filled with black meat, apparently, and immediately became
became nauseated, ill, started vomiting, suffered from cramping, diarrhea, all
(35:33):
the things. And she's now seeking over fifty thousand dollars
in damages.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Now, what do you think it was like a piece
of charcoal? I don't know, Like what, why would the chicken?
I'll not go a touchdown bar on this.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Oh my gosh, oh my black meat. She's sick.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Oh my god, black meat you're eating on I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You better go and.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Stay with her.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean LaVar or Lee. Please speak up, like what
what's the problem.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I don't I don't know. It's gotta be there's got
to be something to that. You got, Lee, I always
like the dark meat.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Lee would where are the rest of the loose black nuggets?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Black meat?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
One more story, a deputy was suspended after investigators found
that she used the database to identify the owner of
a vehicle spouted outside of her ex boyfriend's home. So,
oh wow, is finest?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Obviously that's a perk that comes with the job.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
So that should be allowed, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, well, I mean you want to find out some
stuff that you look into it. It's like, you know,
if we want you want to find out some information
on you know, some sports or some scandal, and sports
would make a couple of calls.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's part of the perks that come with your job.
Nothing wrong with that, Well far, no issue with this.
I just want to revisit the.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Call the last minute.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
We're not going back, all right, We're going out of here.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It looks black, don't it? Out of here?
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