October 25, 2023 • 45 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Deion Sanders agrees with Brady, that Michigan sign stealing isn’t the difference maker everyone makes it out to be. Brady takes on Deshaun Watson’s private QB coach, Quincy Avery and The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by for his weekly visit.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know, there's some people that are not happy with
the assumption that you know, it's commonplace that you know, Michigan,
what they're doing with this sign stealing situation and a
guy going to games and filming the sideline. They don't want,
they don't want to deal with the reality that this
might actually happen in other places that Michigan didn't have
the genius idea of having somebody buying tickets ruler and
(00:35):
sitting sitting in the crowd and looking at Yeah, there's
a lot a little bit of blowback yesterday following the
conversation and the one that we had on Friday while
in Columbus, as you mentioned, And so who better to
discuss this than somebody who's been the most talked about
program and the most talked about coach in college football
all season.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Long, Dion Sanders.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So, Dion Sanders weighed in on the Michigan sign stealing controversy.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Here was his take.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Everyone's trying to get edge. I mean, everyone's trying to
get whatever edge they can. You could have someone's whole
game plan. They can mel it to you. You still got
to stop it. You still got to stop it. So
in football is not as pronounced as baseball. If I
know a curve ball is coming, I'm I'm I got you.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You know wood football, I don't give it Durnham.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You know a sweep is coming, you still got to
stop it. Physically, it's a physical game.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
You got to stop it. So that that's a little tough.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I don't buy into a lot of this stuff that
someone's still in this still in that, I don't. I
don't buy into a lot of this.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Still got to play the game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So that was Deion Sanders. You do still have to
play the game, but there is something to know what's
coming your way though.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
So I'm sure you guys saw this if you've been
following the story and I it just it made me laugh.
So did you guys see the clip that was going
around social media. It was Ohio State on offense CJ
stadams last year their high State Michigan game, and it
was a clip of basically Ohio State looking back to
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their sideline and then it shows Connor Stallion's the gentleman
at Michigan. He's been accused of all of this on
Michigan's sideline and he's pointing up giving a signal real quick,
you know, looking across the field after he sees Ohio
State signal. And the funny thing is is like everyone's
oh cee cee, like look at which I'm like, well,
that's that's actually legal. Like what he's doing is a
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hundred percent legal. Happens on every field, every team across
the country.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
The irony to it, though, is the result of the
play of that particular play was a touchdown pass for
Ohio State to a Mecca a Buca. So it's like
we're making such a big deal about whatever was taking
place or happening.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
At Michigan even though it goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Maybe they're not as slick as everyone to hide it,
or maybe it's they're doing more advanced scouting in regards
to other teams that they're they're watching and stealing signs
for and all that. Yet we're finally getting someone who
is probably the best in Dion Sanders to talk about
because he played baseball, he played football, he can kind
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of tell you, like what kind of impact does this
have And he's like, yeah, it's you still gotta go
out and stop the play. This is a prime example
of that. Like you're looking at this clip for everyone's like, oh,
look what they did. Look at this and it's like
the Ohio State threw a touchdown pass the next play.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So whatever Michigan's doing, clearly they're not doing that effectively. Yah,
stop working like now.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Obviously, the result of the game was Ohio State losing
to Michigan, which a lot of people will point you
all much sign stealing.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I don't know about you, man.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
When I go back and watch the tape, I mean
the Michigan's running between the tackles.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
State had an extra guy in the box. They just
weren't making plays.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Like when you go back and look at the last
two years of Higo State Michigan, I don't think it's
a sign stealing problem. I don't look at Michigan's success
and go, yeah, that's because they're stealing signs.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
They're just they're a good football team.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
They've been building towards this for a while, and I
think it almost diminishes what those players have done because
we've now gotten to the point where we want to
try to find a reason for their success over the
past couple of years, and you're taking away.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
From what they're actually doing on the field.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
So again, this goes on all over college football. They
could fix it rather quickly, and there's a reason when
you talk to other people who are insiders in college
football and they go to these afcas and they talk
to coaches, there's a reason why they don't push for
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it because there's a lot of coaches who are really
good at this, and there's a lot of coaches who
make their name off this and how they go about
calling games offensively and defensively. So if you take it
away and you go back to coach the quarterback, it
doesn't give them that same advantage that they've had, so
that a lot of them aren't pushing so hard to
get this change to college football. So I still think
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the whole conversation around this is being a little bit overblown.
I understand if they're doing something that was illegal that
was a rule putting back in the nineties, fine, but
we're in twenty twenty three. We probably need to go
to a system similar to the NFL anyway, and maybe
this is the actually way of pushing it forward and
pushing the game forward in that respect.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I just still feel like there's some type of agenda
against Harball. I don't know what direction it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the University. I don't know
if it's the Big Ten. I don't know if it's
anything else, someone else. Is it Anonymous? You know, Anonymous
has been known to get people on social media, you
know what I mean, Like Anonymous has made fools of
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people before. I just don't know where it's coming from.
But I feel there is no coincidence that it's Michigan,
and it's like always seems to be Michigan lately as
of late, and I just don't I think that whatever
it is, if something else were to come up out
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of this, like if there was something more that comes
to Michigan's way, I just think it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know, it's horrible when Jimbo Fisher got upset because
Nick Saban called him out last year and made some
comments about buying his athletes or buying his players. I
think part of what was so upsetting to Jimbo Fisher
is because he knew he probably had some stuff on
Nick saban and Alabama, and he couldn't believe that another
coach would call him out for doing something that other
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coaches are doing. And it feels like this is kind
of in that same.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Another coach is calling out horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, like they probably complained and went to and you know,
people within Michigan because Deon Sanders is saying, look, I
don't necessarily buy into that because you know, he probably
knows in talking with people, Yeah, this is kind of commonplace,
but you just don't rat out somebody else just because
you're pissed, Like I don't get pulled over and then
call nine will one and say what about that guy?
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He was speeding too, Like, yeah, we get it. Everybody's
kind of doing the same thing. You're just the one
that got the blame. And it feels like with Michigan
and just sort of the pushback and everybody coming after him.
I'll bet if you pulled coaches anonymously around the country
and said hey, how commonplace is this maturity of them
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would say, wonder why.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I wasn't Toledo, Why wasn't it Akron? It's not Why
wasn't Enough, Why wasn't it the University of Delaware it's
not U see enough. You know what I'm saying, Like
like this just it stinks of something. There's there's an
agenda here, you know, an agenda. I just you know
when you study. We talked about I talked about talking
to my son and studying film and putting in the time.
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If you put in the time to study film, and
and I know us as Penn State fans, we know this,
you can you can decipher the DNA of an offense.
There's only so many things alignment can do. So if
you're if you're watching film, you're studying alignment. There's only
so many things alignment can do. And oftentimes what they
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do pre snap, how they line up. Like if you
got a very very good pass rusher that is quick
off the edge, I don't care what you think that
that tackle is not going to be heavy on their hand.
They're going to be sitting back three point stance right
or two point excuse me, two point stance most likely,
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or super light hand three point stands with their hand
down and they're going to escape. They're going to retreat
to get back. There's certain things that if you watch
the film, like okay, you see the sign, you still know, okay,
this this person here, this split by this receiver. It
shows play action, it shows possible reverse, it shows a
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possible jet sweep, it shows a crosser or a bootleg.
You can get all of that by watching the film regardless. Now,
if they put wrinkles in, they put wrinkles in, and
you stay true to your but to say you're stealing signs,
if you're watching film of teams, you're still going to
get an opportunity to put together a game plan as
to what you want to do. And if you're doing
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it for the defense, well that's stupid because a defense
is going to run generally the same type of stuff.
They're going They may start with men, they might be
man heavy, or they might be a zone heavy team.
And all you have to do is watch the film
to see where they're aligning and what they want to
take away based off of what the game plan is like.
So instilling signs, I'm not I'm not certainly sure as
(09:36):
to what the distinct. I would need somebody to educate
me on what the distinct you know, advantage is that
you receive by stealing the signs.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I also think that and we've talked about this a
little bit yesterday that you know, there were there have
been teams that have suspected Michigan of doing this, and
so they switched to risk bands. A lot of teams
this year switch to risk bands, and the result is
they've lost by like thirty game.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
And also, how's that worked out? Yeah, that worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And I also saw that Ohio State actually suspected this
last year before the game and they were using majority
of their calls on the wristband and guess what, they
still got their ass beat. So I just what are
we doing here.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
We're making a big deal about something because of what
LVAR said. It is it's Jim Harbaugh, it's Michigan, and
he's already ticked off the NCAA, like the whole investigation
during the recruiting dead period where you know, he wasn't
helpful or cooperative in the investigation. He took some people off,
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and so then there was that, and then he ticked
off the athletic director like there is right now, there's
not a great relationship between the athletic director and Jim
Harbaugh because of how things were handled last offseason when
he was, you know, potentially looking at NFL jobs. So
there's a lot of things that are fishy to me
about this. To Levar's point as far as well, why
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is it now? Why is it Michigan? If people have
known this for years, why is this coming out right now?
Why have teams allowed this to go on? I said, one,
because they're probably doing it two and then two because
there's something else at hand here, someone's behind the scenes trying.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
To do something.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Because the other thing is is, if you've got a
guy who's supposedly so renowned for his decoding skills, how
could you be so blatant and how can you be
this port covering up your tracks if you're doing something
that you know is illegal or trying to do it,
(11:40):
and a lot of other people do this, mind you,
It just it all comes off as incredibly fishy, like
there's much more to this that we're really not getting
the full story. Either way, though, I hope it advances
the game to a point where, like I've been critical
of this when people ask hey, why scoring down in.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
The NFL, I said, well, how much time you got?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Because there's a number of things you can point to,
But my perspective only comes from the quarterback position. And
even though that position looks at things from a higher level.
I still just say, okay, let's just look from the
quarterback perspective. Nowadays, since junior high, potentially these young men
are not being taught to look at what's in front
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of them. They clap their hands, they say their cadence,
they look to the sidelines. It's like in our society,
it's what we look at. We always we're looking to
something else to give us the answer, Like we don't
experience life. First, we go google something and that's like
kind of what this is. We look out at the
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field and then we look over the sideline and get
the play what we need to run instead of teaching
kids like, hey, they're in a four down front or
three down front, this is what we want to do
from a run blocking standpoint. This is who the middle
linebacker is that sets up the blocking scheme.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
This is what you do, and don't tell me you
can't do it.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Because we had an elaborate playbook when I was in
junior high. We hadn't checked with me as we had
audibles all that stuff. Like when you start thinking like
young people aren't capable of.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Doing more, that's your problem, not their problem.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Young people are incredibly capable of learning a lot and
doing a lot, and yet we want to take the
decision making out of the quarterback's hands, out of players'
hands at a young age, and.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
So junior high, high school, college. Now they get there
and they just look at the sideline.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
They're always looking to someone else to give them the
answer instead of coaching them during the week to when
they walk out there on the field, they've got the answers.
Like I still remember when Charlie Weiss got to Notre
Dame and it was a New England Patriots playbook.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
My senior year, we went No HRD.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
We had a wristband and all what a heat throwing
a play and I'd look at it and I'd be like, yeah, no,
we run this because we got we got the technical.
We went on this side, we got three man's side.
We can run this inside run, or we're gonna run
this outside zone. Run over here, we got a seven technique.
We can reach out, you know, or we're gonna run
a play. Actually that extra guy in the box, you know,
we're gonna fake right out that guy. We're gonna throw
a little post in behind them. We could do whatever
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we want it was the coolest thing in the world,
and yet nowadays coaches take that out of quarterbacks and players' hands,
and so to me, hopefully this leads to coaches then
preparing players to then actually go out there and play
the game of football and understand the game of football
so they don't.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Need to look to the sideline anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
They can just go in there and go out there
and execute, and they can understand coverages and fronts and
everything else. Because if that happens, then you get these quarterbacks,
these young men, when you get the NFL level, they're
much more prepared for what they're asked to do at
that level as a professional, because they're being treated like
they're professional, least at the college level.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
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Speaker 4 (15:04):
Rady Went Down in the Deep.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Oh, why do people take Twitter so seriously?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What you know about rolling down in the deep with you? Hey, listen, man,
you you might get what you looked for. You try
to go down in the deep with Q. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
He is the uh, the wood chipper of social media.
Stick your hand in there, see what happens. Pull back
a stub and that's what happened. Deshaun Watson's fanboy? Is
he still throwing coach?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's a fanboy?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Like, is he still throwing coach?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It's not even cool anymore? Are fanboys played out like limousines?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Like don't you feel a certain type of way when
you see a celebrity get out of a limo? Like,
doesn't it seem kind of weird when you see a
fanboy with with or somebody that fanboys another guys like
kind of played out? You know what I mean? That
bit feels like.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
It's what's funny about the entire situation is then you
get a d bag like Mike Florio who has to
use it for content because he can't come up with
his own content.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
That's that's what.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Makes me laugh about all of it, is like, can't
you just write your own stuff?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Can't you just come up with your own stuff? I mean,
are we that do we.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Lack any sort of creativity or our own genuine thought?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Is that how it works for people.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To piggyback off of Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
No, here's what it is is. It's a business, right.
It's all about aggregation. Like it's all about people getting clicks,
people getting attention. So if they see something that's grabbing
people's attention on social media or on the Internet, they
just gravitate towards it, and that's their business model.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
It's it's that way for a lot of folks too,
by the way, But unfortunately it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And and look you or cue if you don't want
that smoke. That's the horral of this story.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
This all gets started, though, if we're being really honest
and transparent about it, it all gets started because we have
Fox Sports Radio clipped off a portion and put a
headline that then allowed people to click on it. Now,
is that the entire context to our conversation?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:19):
No, does any article write the entire context to our conversation?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
So no, one's going to click back and listen to
our entire show.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
We've already been through this in the past year with
everything in regards to CJ.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Stratton, what we had talked about, and then how.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
His agent was so scared of this narrative getting out
of something that he knew was out there that he
came to his defense and put on this whole social
media buttson campaign, Like that's how easy it is to
dupe everyone out there and not know the actual true
context to anything that's being discussed. So I made a
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comparison about when you get paid a lot of money,
do you have some of an incentive to go out
there and do something? And the answer is no, And
so we end up using it. Then other people click
on it, It gets aggurgy, it gets pushed, it gets pushed.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
And then everyone wants to comment.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And look, Quincy is, he's Deshaun's quarterback coach. He's some
other players quarterback coaches and all that, and look, that's
his opinion. He has the ability to stand on whatever
he feels like he wants to say and defend a
Sean in whatever manner he wants. But I think there's
also a lot of other people out there who will
look at the situation and I have my own perspectives.
I was a fan of the Browns. I played for
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the Browns as a quarterback, tried to play through an
injury there, Like, I know what it's like to be
in those situations and shoes. I don't know what it's
like to make two hundred and thirty million dollars, but
I know what it's like to come from a middle
class family to work my ass off to get to
a certain point in life.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And I know my perspective if I.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Was in that position, And so if people want to
take issue with it, so be it. But as far
as the Twitter stuff, like, come on, dude, have some fun.
It's Twitter or x whatever we're calling it, Like, stop
taking it so serious.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
He did say we're going to table this until he
sees you.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, like and everyone I wanted
to act like a tough guy on Twitter. Next apparently
he saw me. I didn't see you, So come up
next time.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm already there. I'm already there, homie.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
But that's the thing is, like come talk to me then,
Like if you got an issue with it, come talk
to me. Like, don't sit on a keyboard, don't sit
by your phone, like, come talk to me. And then
you say, well I saw you. Well, if you did
see me, why don't you come home and talk to me.
Then if you got a problem, come talk to me.
Not hard to find, you know, I mean, it's like
you saw me. I didn't see you. Sorry, dude. But
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that's the problem with all this is people people want
to take things really super seriously on Twitter and next
and make a big deal about it. And I just
I've never viewed it as that. I never have and for.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
The people.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Outside of like getting like cause a lot of guys
gained credibility through catching on with a certain player. If
that player is a high profile name, you catch on
like he said, you don't know what the f you're
talking about, and you got up like a little chick.
I just does he have the credentials to to be
able to throw throw his like throw it around like that?
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So who is he? Did he play? Did he get drafted?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Did he There is a there's a backstory here, all right,
And and I don't even know if Brady if you
remember this, but this is how his whole issue with
with Brady and Fox Sports Radio started. So when Deshaun
Watson was demanding to be traded from the Houston Texans,
I can remember because this was before we started to yeah,
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like because we were still doing the Sunday night show.
I was doing it out of my mom's garage. Yeah,
so this is like way back during COVID. So this
is during COVID, and I remember we we were one
of the few people that were actually saying, like defending
the Texans and saying, wait a second, he's trying to
make it seem like this is an awful organization. And
he was upset because he's traded DeAndre Hopkins. He signed
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a contract extension after DeAndre Hopkins was traded, and Deshaun
Watson was sitting there crying, thanking the organization and everybody involved,
Bill O'Brien, everybody, the McNair, so on and so forth,
and so we were defending the Textans, say wait a second,
this doesn't make sense. Deshaun Watson's trying to give you
a story and people are trying to take it down
a direction that doesn't add up if you actually know
(21:31):
the history of how this deal got done and his
time there in Houston.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
So how did he respond?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Quincy Avery saw that and went after Brady either it
might have been DMS or on social media, and that's
when this whole thing. He's had it out for FSR
ever since then, so much so that Clay Travis commented
on the what Brady's tweet yesterday and was just saying, man,
Brady just eviscerated Quincy Avery. Quincy Avery went at Clay Travis.
(21:57):
They went back and forth. Obviously Clay used to do
this show in this time slot. So there's been something
against Brady.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
By the way, let me put it this way.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I've got a lot of people who've hitt my dms
who are like, good for you, and I'm like, here's
the truth of the matter is. And like, again, Quincy's
gonna have his own opinions on things, and he's he's
you know, that's what everyone's allowed to have in this country.
That's what makes this country great. The truth of the
matter is, though I try to be objective about all this,
like people will be like, oh, what do you have
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something out for? I have nothing out for Deshaun Watson.
Nothing in fact, Like when he signed that deal, even
though he's questionable under the circumstances under which he signed it,
I was like, this is.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Great for football, this is great for players.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Deshaun Watson in one contract, has done more for players
as far as trying to push the envelope forward to
guarantee contracts than anyone in the history of the NFL.
I'll see that again. We'll see if Fox Sports Radio
clips this off. Deshaun Watson has done more for NFL
players than anyone in the history of the NFL with
(23:01):
the guaranteed five year deal that he signed as far
as the business of football, that is more significant than
ever as far as trying to push the envelope towards that.
Now that being said, how this whole thing's playing out.
It's the first time we've seen something like this. So
we're now getting to a point where you're like, oh,
maybe this isn't gonna work out so well for others
(23:23):
because of how the last year went, how this year
is going so far.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
And look, and we've said this before, only they know.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
This true specifics to the injuries, what he's dealing with,
you know, we touched around the idea like, look, if
it's for him mental health too, Like he needs to
get himself right in the back headspace, you know, right
in the back frame of mind in headspace he needs
to in order to play and be the player that
they're hoping he'll be. So like, we can have like
those conversations about all of this, but the reality is,
(23:52):
if people are going to make a big deal about
tweets and all that, Like I'm here for fun, Like
I'm not sitting on Twitter X and trying to sit there.
I have some serious conversation about it, Like, look, what
happened in the past, happened, And if you can't laugh
about and make fun of it, I'm sorry you don't
have a sense of humor, Like you need you need
to go find some to laugh.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
About and enjoy in life.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And look, there was some seriousness to potentially the situation
that occurred, but the reality is like it's out there
and it's it's always going to be the case. Like
I'm sorry, Like I don't know that many people are
gonna be able to get pass some of the stuff
that had transpired and the stories that came out from
all that. In regards to the long standing story of
Quick like that's what a lot of guys are, Like
a lot of guys will send dms and fire up
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on Twitter, like that's the reputation, you know. It's like, no, dude,
like this is just a social media platform. It's insignificant
to real life. It does not matter in everyone's real
life out there.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I'm just not real trying to go back to what
made him feel comfortable enough to say, you don't know
what you're talking about, Like I'm trying to understand his
accolades again to understand, but think about any.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Of the top quarterback coaches out there. Now you hear.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Like Tom House was a baseball pitching coach and then
he got into football and coaching. Like now, granted, Tom
is to me the best in the business at doing it.
Him and Adam Data and those guys do a fantastic job, right,
but some of the most reputable people, I mean, look,
I love George Whitfield. George is an Ohio guy, came
from Maslin. But you know, George, I think I played
a little bit of Arena League, play college ball at Youngstown.
(25:29):
It's not like, you know, he's you know, a former
Hall of Fame quarterback. And so to me, it doesn't
necessarily matter what Quincy has done in his playing career
hasn't done, because I'm sure there's a lot more has
not than actually what he's done. The reality is, if
a quarterback feels like he can work with him and
get better, that's all that matters. And it doesn't matter
if that's a high school, college or NFL and like
(25:52):
I said, I don't care if he wants to take
a shot or if he thinks he's you know, he's
got more knowledge on this situation.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
That's fine, that's his opinion. He's allowed that. I mean,
we live in a world.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Where, like some of the best teachers I've ever had
didn't necessarily have real world experience in that industry. You'd
like them to, but they don't always have that, but
they're able to teach it in a way that gets
you to understand.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, I just I get sticking up for your guys
and your clientele.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
And that's all it is is. It's an emotional response.
It's an emotional response. But I can't say which is
more high school gossipy than anything else.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I just can't say. I took too well, too kindly
to him threatening you like that, just that that kind
of rubbed me the wrong way, threatened. I showed a response.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And then when they then they see us face to face,
then you can have your moment.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I mean that they would have caught us while we
were in Columbus, I wouldn't have been able to help
you too much.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, Yeah, might have been on your Hey, hold it down. Buddy,
hold it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Let me get my and I would have been holding
Lee's harroll. He was throwing up in a trash.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
But then again, when you watch Boys in the Hood,
I mean Chris was in a wheelchair, they're strapped the
dude up on dope. Boy strapped the dude up on
his on the street with Chris came on down, the
got him some. He got him a trash can.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
I'll be most most of the dudes that talk like
that and they see they see me in person, like.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I didn't realize that you look like and you're you
kind of like look like you really would handle yourself
the problem. And then after seeing the meat Wagon and
the rest of the crew, you, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Might, they kind of forget. They're like, oh they hang
around big. Yeah, everyone's big.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Kind of move you might. You might have more problems
on you. You know what you want.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It wasn't under the radar funny moment. It's when the
meat Wagon was at the Homage Bar in Columbus and
LeVar just looks at him and goes, you wore a neckroll.
Didn't know because it looks like he's still wearing it.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He looked like he's still wearing it. He walks like
he's still wearing his shoulder pads with a neck roll.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And by the way, the whole comedic front, how could
you not admire the name Massage Watson, I mean tw Watson.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Yeah, dude.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I had a couple more in the chamber. I was like,
all right, should I just fire this off or just
let this die? And my girls were like, Dad, let's
go look at some of the Halloween decorations. I was like,
all right, I'm not gonna have time for this. So,
I mean, that's the reality of it is. I can't
take x Twitter, whatever you wanna call it. I can't
take it seriously, and I can't take people who take
it seriously serious because I'm like, do you know what
(28:31):
I'm I'm literally putting my daughter's shoes on before walking
out the door, before I fire off a tweet, and
then it never has any impact whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
This one like we're we're acting like it's that serious.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
It's just it's crazy to me how people react to
something like social media.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like that it's their.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Thing, the bane of our existence as a society.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Elon paying forty dollars to run a professional wrestling organization based.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Just table this until life see you. Yeah, you don't
know what you're talking about. Like, yes, he does know
what he's talking about. He actually does. I would have
been off this show. Yeah, I know what I was
talking about. You I'm going to be messing with my record.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Tas are putting me through this.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I'm not doing this.
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Speaker 2 (30:00):
Right now, we turn it over to the Old p
on Twitter or ex whatever you want to call it.
He is Petros Papadekas, the co host of the Petros
and Money show, which you can hear on the blowtorch.
A M five seventy l A Sports a Fox college
football analyst, Pee, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Good morning? Hi pe?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello? Hello?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Is it over for USC?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Geez?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Is it time to cash it in?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Huh? So Qayla play any more games? Should should Lincoln
coach any more of them?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Do you want me to start?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes? Right there, right there, right there.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
P Well, I think they're in they're in some trouble.
I mean, there's no doubt about that. But it's it's
really kind of a confounding situation because I remember that
we all started with the uh, remember how much fun
we're going to have with Lincoln Riley? And you don't
know what it's like. Don't even know how much fun
(31:01):
Lincoln Riley is. And I believe how you know, Yeah,
I'm not ready for the imitations just yet, but I will.
I will say that it doesn't seem like that much
fun anymore. I mean, the defense doesn't really or tackle.
(31:23):
He's banned a media member, which was embarrassing. Then they
turned around and in the history of USC, for the
first time that any of us can remember, my father
me anybody in between, anybody after that. No one has
ever banned USC players from speaking to the media in
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Los Angeles after a loss, as if you're scared of
what they're going to say. And now Lincoln hasn't been
in practice for a.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Couple of days.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I guess he's he's got some kind of illness and
I hope he's okay. Because a head coach doesn't show
up in practice, you feel like it's some kind of scene,
serious problem. But anyway, Yeah, a lot of the problems
with the USC and a lot of the stuff we
saw them coming apart at the seams, is uh kind
of coming to fruition now. And there was a time
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that we could all sit on this show and kind
of look at each other and it was unfathomable that
Cal would have a chance to beat USC. But is
that unfathomable now? Not really at all.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, I love USC land eleven points. Last time I.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Looked, Actually, Cal's got a great back, and don't they
haven't tackled anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I felt that way about Utah because I thought Utah
just didn't have enough offense, coming in with a walk
on quarterback, a safety at tailback who had just carved
up cal cal did a better job on the tailback
safety than USC did. Yeah, Vaki, see only Vaki. So
(32:56):
it's amazing And a lot of a lot of the
stuff that USC gave up to Utah was schematic. I mean,
they had like stiff edge dudes on one on one
with Vaki throughout the game, and he just continued to
kill him.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
In USC.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's like they averaged nine point seven five yards of
carry in the Utah game running the ball, and they
just wouldn't run it. They want to drop back and
let Caleb Williams tap the ball and run around. The
offense doesn't work on time and after a while. I mean,
you guys have seen this team, it's deteriorated. And now
(33:34):
that you've lost two games with a bunch of Mercenary
players from all over the place and you're not playing
for a national championship anymore, which I guess Lincoln Riley
somehow said was never the goal, even though he's quoted
as saying it's the goal like twenty times in the offseason.
I just don't know if these guys are going to
(33:54):
be able to like lock arms and summon it for
each other and make something meaningful out of this season.
I mean, answer your question, LeVar, I do. Yes, I
think they're in trouble.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
They still obviously have their their PAC twelve hopes alive,
though they've only dropped one game sure conference play.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And that's what people said after a Notre Dame Brady,
they said, well they still you haven't lost a conference game.
It's like, yeah, but the riding is on.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
The wall, you think so, I mean, okay, let let
me throw this at you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Do you think they can summon themselves, Brady?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I do, because I think Caleb is that special, and
I think they've got enough skill between you know, Brendan
Rice and Zachariah Branch and Tajwa.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
I'd like all these guys, even though even Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
But I guess the one thing I want to throw
at you, because you've got such good perspective on this
is through this point in time in Clay Helton's career,
he has the exact same record as Lincoln Riley. Is
that damning when you kind of think back to the
Clay Helton era and then where Lincoln's at now and
all the hype and everything else he came. Is that
(34:54):
like when you hear that. Is that why you say
this is headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yes, because when you hear the stuff that was said
after they lost to Tulane throughout the off season, we
will have an elite defense. This is the worst will
ever be. You know, all of those different things, and
you look at this team and you look at some
of the effort on defense. You look at how the
d line and the linebackers don't seem to be on
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the same page as far as slanting and twisting and
all the stuff they do, and then they don't fill
those gaps and they get gashed. And you look at
the team and you say last year's team was better,
and a lot of the way they practice, a lot
of the lack of physicality, the undisciplined play, the penalties,
the idiot towel waivers on the sideline that are paid
(35:44):
to jump around and weigh the house guys.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
I love those guys though.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's because you're a Notre Dame fan and it makes
us he look stupid. That's why you love it. Come on,
it's Golle's football.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Another video.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Go do a video with him then and put it
out with lighter My My point is all of those
things feel a lot like Clay Helton, Brady, I mean,
doesn't it feel like the only thing that doesn't feel
like Clay Helton is that Caleb Williams is really good
well simulator.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
I don't know if the golf simulator is still there?
I bet you it is.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Do you think, though Lincoln would let a homeless guy
come in and start returning punts and practice?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why not at least you show up on like Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Wow, we don't know what's wrong with him?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Jonas well, we'll delete it from the podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, it looks like me.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
That's the way to look at it.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, that's how That's what I had. I couldn't walk.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So I just I heard you had the gout from
the rich Foods.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Man, I don't know about the rich Foods, but that's
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
It's a rich man's disease.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Wolfgang on on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Oh that's cool. He used to be a customer at
the restaurant back in a humbler times, you know that
for Yeah, back when he just had the one restaurant
that was who he was.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I was like, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Old?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, he's older, and what would your what would your
dad say stop what I'm just asking Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
He introduced this is Wolfgang Poky is very famous show.
I want to get back to us. He is like
us with Clay Hilton and the answer, but it's a
very smart question and the answer is yes, they're worse.
And and you know the thing about Kayleb Williams, And
I've been very fair with Kayleb Williams. I don't care
(37:27):
about the nail painting. I don't care about the self importance.
I mean, you give me twenty million dollars. When I
was that age, I'd be dead. But if you lose
a game, when you lose a game because it feels
like they're going to lose more, just get off the field.
If you're not, if you're too mad to shake hands,
(37:47):
then just get up.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
The damn tunnel. Come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You know, just to sit there and have to be
coaxed off the bench by one of those towel waivers.
Is it's a bad look. You know, you're the leader
of the team. Get up, run up the tunnel. That
bothered me, you know? He of course knows all the
cameras are on him, and yes here, yes, everybody can
see you're disappointed, and then you turn around and you
(38:13):
don't talk to the media, and you turn around and
you don't show up for your nil show this week.
So it's like, I don't know, is USC coming apart?
Speaker 6 (38:21):
You tell me.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It does feel like and I was watching when they
were playing Arizona, there was like a state of panic
in Lincoln Riley on the sideline that he was almost
out of answers, like he couldn't believe the ego and
the arrogance there. They couldn't believe that they were in
this much of a dogfight with Arizona in a game
like that. And then you watch him the week after
(38:45):
with Notre Dame. They just dismiss everything that happened and said, listen,
this isn't a conference game.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Then this past week they lose to Utah in he
doesn't let the players, as you laid out, talk to
the media, and then he's sick and doesn't show up
to practice, he misses his coaches show. It feels like
this is the slow exit for him that I don't
see how he's back next year with USC if there's
an offer that comes from an NFL team. It feels
(39:12):
like he's gone after this year. Do you get that
sense as well too?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Or Texas A and M Yeah, I mean look.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Like that USC has a new athletic director and she
wasn't able to fix the beat Rider thing in time.
I'm sure she wasn't able to fix we're not talking
to the media thing in time, and that was obviously
a decision Lincoln Riley made. And she's got to deal
with Lincoln Riley. She's got to tell him, we'd love
(39:38):
to have you here, but a lot of these Midwest
media policies have to end. And you are going to
do this, this, and this regarding your staff. And if
that's not savory to you, if you don't like what
I'm putting down as opposed to the guy that hired you,
the old Bonerino, feel free to look for another job.
(40:00):
And she's got to do that. I mean, this is
her moment to take control of a guy who's almost
lost all of his shine in the city of Los Angeles,
and that's hard to do.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
It won't sound the same, though, will it. I like
the way she says it.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, I don't know how she talks well.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I mean, if Bonerino was there, how would it sound
if he was out of that conversation.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, Bonerino was fired for inappropriate conduct. You know, I
don't know what you guys want from me, I.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Mean what they want from you.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You guys don't even know how great? Yes, yes, yes, sorry,
it took me a little while to come up to it.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
You got it though, you hit it, don't.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, you don't miss pee happier times. Indeed those were
happier times. No, but it's sad to watch USC kind
of fall apart at the seams. But when you look
at what a finesse team they are, and you look
at the teams that compete for the championship every year
without the burp in the universe TCU, you kind of
you kind of feel stupid for joining all the hype train.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I mean, is you CLA going to get him this year?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Probably they play defense man. UCLA's got three quarterbacks, though,
and Chip not gonna tell anybody who's gonna play. The
freshman quarterback has seemed to have lost all confidence Dante
more and I know for a fact that the team
wants the other two guys to play. Ethan Garber's hasn't
really played much at all this year. He finally started
(41:35):
last week and looked good, and he looked good when
he started the Sun Bowl. But they also have that guy. Hey,
look at me. It's Colin Shlee from Kent State. So sorry,
I just love the guy's name, like I like to
think of like Chip, Like you know when they ask
about quarterbacks and he goes, yeah, you know Dante and Ethan,
(41:55):
and then in the background, Colin sticks his head up
and goes.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
It's me, Colin Slee. It's me. That's how I feel
about it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Uh but uh so, other than the quarterback situation, I mean,
je Mike Stern event the guy that transferred from Cal
that's at UCLA. Hell, he'd had better stats if he
stated Cal with the quarterback rotation, and he's a great receiver,
and then they have Carson Steele and Harden and some
tough backs and they have a great defense. UCLA's problem
(42:26):
is a quarterback. In a couple of weeks, they might
have that short up and then yeah, us, he would
be in trouble, deep trouble. What about Oregon? What about Washington?
I mean, it's not like us. He's got Arizona and
Arizona State left on the schedule.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Here guys.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, it could be approp me there.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Arizona stage show some life last week.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
My guy Skataboo, he was Skataboo. Yeah, Skataboo runs hard,
Scottaboo bus he angers the opponent as well as Yeah,
and you know that's Those are the type of games though,
if you're gonna have a championship type of season, you're
gonna come out and your team is not going to
look like your team.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
I think it happens in pro football, and I know
what happens in college, and it could happen at home,
it could happen on the road. Like Jonas was saying,
you're outraged that you're in a situation where a team
has got you in a dog fight and they're not
supposed to and you got to find a way to
survive that game. And USC did with Arizona, except they
just turned around and lost a Notre Dame and got
(43:25):
dominated for four quarters. Washington was able to overcome against
Arizona State.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
I think they'll be.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Able to recover themselves and look more like Washington than
USC did after they were tested. What game he got
this weekend, b oh, I got a good game in
the Mountain West, a one loss UNLV team against a
one loss Presno State team in Presno.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Let's go about Barry odam Man. What a job he's done. Huh.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
He reminds me of the old mid car jobber in
the WWF Barry O.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Is it Barry Horowitz or no?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
They would just go Berry. No. I met Barry otam
in Vegas when we were there in the summer, Brady,
and I was really impressed with him. Uh, you know,
he was at MISSOO and all that, and he'd been
in the SEC and he he's got un LV going
in the right direction with a freshman quarterback. And we
(44:19):
all know Jeff Tedford at Fresno. So that'll be a
good game.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Are you upset that Skittles are gone from California?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Somebody just gave me a huge bag of illegal skittles
at the radio remote.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
I'm sorry, what happened?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Contraband we live in California, Brady. Pretty soon it's gonna
be like Leningrad in the eighties. Yeah, so, no more Skittles.
The food coloring is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
No more Skittles?
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Well, why is only California then doing that? Shouldn't everyone
be worried about that?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Well, we're trend centers here in California.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
So okay, yeah, more skittle.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So yeah, but somebody gave me a bag of skittles
and I hate to say, you know, like somebody falls
to the bottle at night.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
I fell to the bag.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Dang, A couple of handfuls to the bag.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I mean, people have been trying about that ish like crazy.
And uh, what the Cheetos, the fiery Cheetos.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's the red food coloring.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
I think that thereafter.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But LeVar, I will uh, I'll bring these skills for you.
I mean, I've still got something.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Everybody loves these hot hot Cheetos out here though. It's
a wild like phenomenon. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Now the hot talkies are taking over.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
For the hot hockeys.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah well, Petros, nothing's as hot as you get him
on the old piece.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Week there he is.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
You know, there's some people that are not happy with
the assumption that you know, it's commonplace that you know, Michigan,
what they're doing with this sign stealing situation and a
guy going to games and filming the sideline. They don't want,
they don't want to deal with the reality that this
might actually happen in other places that Michigan didn't have
the genius idea of having somebody buying tickets ruler and
(00:35):
sitting sitting in the crowd and looking at Yeah, there's
a lot a little bit of blowback yesterday following the
conversation and the one that we had on Friday while
in Columbus, as you mentioned, And so who better to
discuss this than somebody who's been the most talked about
program and the most talked about coach in college football
all season.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Long, Dion Sanders.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So, Dion Sanders weighed in on the Michigan sign stealing controversy.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Here was his take.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Everyone's trying to get edge. I mean, everyone's trying to
get whatever edge they can. You could have someone's whole
game plan. They can mel it to you. You still got
to stop it. You still got to stop it. So
in football is not as pronounced as baseball. If I
know a curve ball is coming, I'm I'm I got you.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You know wood football, I don't give it Durnham.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You know a sweep is coming, you still got to
stop it. Physically, it's a physical game.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
You got to stop it. So that that's a little tough.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I don't buy into a lot of this stuff that
someone's still in this still in that, I don't. I
don't buy into a lot of this.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Still got to play the game.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So that was Deion Sanders. You do still have to
play the game, but there is something to know what's
coming your way though.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
So I'm sure you guys saw this if you've been
following the story and I it just it made me laugh.
So did you guys see the clip that was going
around social media. It was Ohio State on offense CJ
stadams last year their high State Michigan game, and it
was a clip of basically Ohio State looking back to
(02:07):
their sideline and then it shows Connor Stallion's the gentleman
at Michigan. He's been accused of all of this on
Michigan's sideline and he's pointing up giving a signal real quick,
you know, looking across the field after he sees Ohio
State signal. And the funny thing is is like everyone's
oh cee cee, like look at which I'm like, well,
that's that's actually legal. Like what he's doing is a
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hundred percent legal. Happens on every field, every team across
the country.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
The irony to it, though, is the result of the
play of that particular play was a touchdown pass for
Ohio State to a Mecca a Buca. So it's like
we're making such a big deal about whatever was taking
place or happening.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
At Michigan even though it goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Maybe they're not as slick as everyone to hide it,
or maybe it's they're doing more advanced scouting in regards
to other teams that they're they're watching and stealing signs
for and all that. Yet we're finally getting someone who
is probably the best in Dion Sanders to talk about
because he played baseball, he played football, he can kind
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of tell you, like what kind of impact does this
have And he's like, yeah, it's you still gotta go
out and stop the play. This is a prime example
of that. Like you're looking at this clip for everyone's like, oh,
look what they did. Look at this and it's like
the Ohio State threw a touchdown pass the next play.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
So whatever Michigan's doing, clearly they're not doing that effectively. Yah,
stop working like now.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Obviously, the result of the game was Ohio State losing
to Michigan, which a lot of people will point you
all much sign stealing.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I don't know about you, man.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
When I go back and watch the tape, I mean
the Michigan's running between the tackles.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
State had an extra guy in the box. They just
weren't making plays.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Like when you go back and look at the last
two years of Higo State Michigan, I don't think it's
a sign stealing problem. I don't look at Michigan's success
and go, yeah, that's because they're stealing signs.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
They're just they're a good football team.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
They've been building towards this for a while, and I
think it almost diminishes what those players have done because
we've now gotten to the point where we want to
try to find a reason for their success over the
past couple of years, and you're taking away.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
From what they're actually doing on the field.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
So again, this goes on all over college football. They
could fix it rather quickly, and there's a reason when
you talk to other people who are insiders in college
football and they go to these afcas and they talk
to coaches, there's a reason why they don't push for
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it because there's a lot of coaches who are really
good at this, and there's a lot of coaches who
make their name off this and how they go about
calling games offensively and defensively. So if you take it
away and you go back to coach the quarterback, it
doesn't give them that same advantage that they've had, so
that a lot of them aren't pushing so hard to
get this change to college football. So I still think
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the whole conversation around this is being a little bit overblown.
I understand if they're doing something that was illegal that
was a rule putting back in the nineties, fine, but
we're in twenty twenty three. We probably need to go
to a system similar to the NFL anyway, and maybe
this is the actually way of pushing it forward and
pushing the game forward in that respect.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I just still feel like there's some type of agenda
against Harball. I don't know what direction it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the University. I don't know
if it's the Big Ten. I don't know if it's
anything else, someone else. Is it Anonymous? You know, Anonymous
has been known to get people on social media, you
know what I mean, Like Anonymous has made fools of
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people before. I just don't know where it's coming from.
But I feel there is no coincidence that it's Michigan,
and it's like always seems to be Michigan lately as
of late, and I just don't I think that whatever
it is, if something else were to come up out
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of this, like if there was something more that comes
to Michigan's way, I just think it's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know, it's horrible when Jimbo Fisher got upset because
Nick Saban called him out last year and made some
comments about buying his athletes or buying his players. I
think part of what was so upsetting to Jimbo Fisher
is because he knew he probably had some stuff on
Nick saban and Alabama, and he couldn't believe that another
coach would call him out for doing something that other
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coaches are doing. And it feels like this is kind
of in that same.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Another coach is calling out horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, like they probably complained and went to and you know,
people within Michigan because Deon Sanders is saying, look, I
don't necessarily buy into that because you know, he probably
knows in talking with people, Yeah, this is kind of commonplace,
but you just don't rat out somebody else just because
you're pissed, Like I don't get pulled over and then
call nine will one and say what about that guy?
(07:00):
He was speeding too, Like, yeah, we get it. Everybody's
kind of doing the same thing. You're just the one
that got the blame. And it feels like with Michigan
and just sort of the pushback and everybody coming after him.
I'll bet if you pulled coaches anonymously around the country
and said hey, how commonplace is this maturity of them
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would say, wonder why.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I wasn't Toledo, Why wasn't it Akron? It's not Why
wasn't Enough, Why wasn't it the University of Delaware it's
not U see enough. You know what I'm saying, Like
like this just it stinks of something. There's there's an
agenda here, you know, an agenda. I just you know
when you study. We talked about I talked about talking
to my son and studying film and putting in the time.
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If you put in the time to study film, and
and I know us as Penn State fans, we know this,
you can you can decipher the DNA of an offense.
There's only so many things alignment can do. So if
you're if you're watching film, you're studying alignment. There's only
so many things alignment can do. And oftentimes what they
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do pre snap, how they line up. Like if you
got a very very good pass rusher that is quick
off the edge, I don't care what you think that
that tackle is not going to be heavy on their hand.
They're going to be sitting back three point stance right
or two point excuse me, two point stance most likely,
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or super light hand three point stands with their hand
down and they're going to escape. They're going to retreat
to get back. There's certain things that if you watch
the film, like okay, you see the sign, you still know, okay,
this this person here, this split by this receiver. It
shows play action, it shows possible reverse, it shows a
(08:49):
possible jet sweep, it shows a crosser or a bootleg.
You can get all of that by watching the film regardless. Now,
if they put wrinkles in, they put wrinkles in, and
you stay true to your but to say you're stealing signs,
if you're watching film of teams, you're still going to
get an opportunity to put together a game plan as
to what you want to do. And if you're doing
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it for the defense, well that's stupid because a defense
is going to run generally the same type of stuff.
They're going They may start with men, they might be
man heavy, or they might be a zone heavy team.
And all you have to do is watch the film
to see where they're aligning and what they want to
take away based off of what the game plan is like.
So instilling signs, I'm not I'm not certainly sure as
(09:36):
to what the distinct. I would need somebody to educate
me on what the distinct you know, advantage is that
you receive by stealing the signs.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I also think that and we've talked about this a
little bit yesterday that you know, there were there have
been teams that have suspected Michigan of doing this, and
so they switched to risk bands. A lot of teams
this year switch to risk bands, and the result is
they've lost by like thirty game.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
And also, how's that worked out? Yeah, that worked out.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And I also saw that Ohio State actually suspected this
last year before the game and they were using majority
of their calls on the wristband and guess what, they
still got their ass beat. So I just what are
we doing here.
Speaker 7 (10:16):
We're making a big deal about something because of what
LVAR said. It is it's Jim Harbaugh, it's Michigan, and
he's already ticked off the NCAA, like the whole investigation
during the recruiting dead period where you know, he wasn't
helpful or cooperative in the investigation. He took some people off,
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and so then there was that, and then he ticked
off the athletic director like there is right now, there's
not a great relationship between the athletic director and Jim
Harbaugh because of how things were handled last offseason when
he was, you know, potentially looking at NFL jobs. So
there's a lot of things that are fishy to me
about this. To Levar's point as far as well, why
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is it now? Why is it Michigan? If people have
known this for years, why is this coming out right now?
Why have teams allowed this to go on? I said, one,
because they're probably doing it two and then two because
there's something else at hand here, someone's behind the scenes trying.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
To do something.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Because the other thing is is, if you've got a
guy who's supposedly so renowned for his decoding skills, how
could you be so blatant and how can you be
this port covering up your tracks if you're doing something
that you know is illegal or trying to do it,
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and a lot of other people do this, mind you,
It just it all comes off as incredibly fishy, like
there's much more to this that we're really not getting
the full story. Either way, though, I hope it advances
the game to a point where, like I've been critical
of this when people ask hey, why scoring down in.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
The NFL, I said, well, how much time you got?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Because there's a number of things you can point to,
But my perspective only comes from the quarterback position. And
even though that position looks at things from a higher level.
I still just say, okay, let's just look from the
quarterback perspective. Nowadays, since junior high, potentially these young men
are not being taught to look at what's in front
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of them. They clap their hands, they say their cadence,
they look to the sidelines. It's like in our society,
it's what we look at. We always we're looking to
something else to give us the answer, Like we don't
experience life. First, we go google something and that's like
kind of what this is. We look out at the
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field and then we look over the sideline and get
the play what we need to run instead of teaching
kids like, hey, they're in a four down front or
three down front, this is what we want to do
from a run blocking standpoint. This is who the middle
linebacker is that sets up the blocking scheme.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
This is what you do, and don't tell me you
can't do it.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Because we had an elaborate playbook when I was in
junior high. We hadn't checked with me as we had
audibles all that stuff. Like when you start thinking like
young people aren't capable of.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Doing more, that's your problem, not their problem.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Young people are incredibly capable of learning a lot and
doing a lot, and yet we want to take the
decision making out of the quarterback's hands, out of players'
hands at a young age, and.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
So junior high, high school, college. Now they get there
and they just look at the sideline.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
They're always looking to someone else to give them the
answer instead of coaching them during the week to when
they walk out there on the field, they've got the answers.
Like I still remember when Charlie Weiss got to Notre
Dame and it was a New England Patriots playbook.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
My senior year, we went No HRD.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
We had a wristband and all what a heat throwing
a play and I'd look at it and I'd be like, yeah, no,
we run this because we got we got the technical.
We went on this side, we got three man's side.
We can run this inside run, or we're gonna run
this outside zone. Run over here, we got a seven technique.
We can reach out, you know, or we're gonna run
a play. Actually that extra guy in the box, you know,
we're gonna fake right out that guy. We're gonna throw
a little post in behind them. We could do whatever
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we want it was the coolest thing in the world,
and yet nowadays coaches take that out of quarterbacks and players' hands,
and so to me, hopefully this leads to coaches then
preparing players to then actually go out there and play
the game of football and understand the game of football
so they don't.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Need to look to the sideline anymore.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
They can just go in there and go out there
and execute, and they can understand coverages and fronts and
everything else. Because if that happens, then you get these quarterbacks,
these young men, when you get the NFL level, they're
much more prepared for what they're asked to do at
that level as a professional, because they're being treated like
they're professional, least at the college level.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Now, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
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Speaker 4 (15:04):
Rady Went Down in the Deep.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Oh, why do people take Twitter so seriously?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
What you know about rolling down in the deep with you? Hey, listen, man,
you you might get what you looked for. You try
to go down in the deep with Q. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
He is the uh, the wood chipper of social media.
Stick your hand in there, see what happens. Pull back
a stub and that's what happened. Deshaun Watson's fanboy? Is
he still throwing coach?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's a fanboy?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Like, is he still throwing coach?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It's not even cool anymore? Are fanboys played out like limousines?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Like don't you feel a certain type of way when
you see a celebrity get out of a limo? Like,
doesn't it seem kind of weird when you see a
fanboy with with or somebody that fanboys another guys like
kind of played out? You know what I mean? That
bit feels like.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
It's what's funny about the entire situation is then you
get a d bag like Mike Florio who has to
use it for content because he can't come up with
his own content.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
That's that's what.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
Makes me laugh about all of it, is like, can't
you just write your own stuff?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Can't you just come up with your own stuff? I mean,
are we that do we.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Lack any sort of creativity or our own genuine thought?
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Is that how it works for people.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
To piggyback off of Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
No, here's what it is is. It's a business, right.
It's all about aggregation. Like it's all about people getting clicks,
people getting attention. So if they see something that's grabbing
people's attention on social media or on the Internet, they
just gravitate towards it, and that's their business model.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
It's it's that way for a lot of folks too,
by the way, But unfortunately it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And and look you or cue if you don't want
that smoke. That's the horral of this story.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
This all gets started, though, if we're being really honest
and transparent about it, it all gets started because we have
Fox Sports Radio clipped off a portion and put a
headline that then allowed people to click on it. Now,
is that the entire context to our conversation?
Speaker 6 (17:19):
No?
Speaker 7 (17:19):
No, does any article write the entire context to our conversation?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:25):
So no, one's going to click back and listen to
our entire show.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
We've already been through this in the past year with
everything in regards to CJ.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Stratton, what we had talked about, and then how.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
His agent was so scared of this narrative getting out
of something that he knew was out there that he
came to his defense and put on this whole social
media buttson campaign, Like that's how easy it is to
dupe everyone out there and not know the actual true
context to anything that's being discussed. So I made a
(17:56):
comparison about when you get paid a lot of money,
do you have some of an incentive to go out
there and do something? And the answer is no, And
so we end up using it. Then other people click
on it, It gets aggurgy, it gets pushed, it gets pushed.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
And then everyone wants to comment.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And look, Quincy is, he's Deshaun's quarterback coach. He's some
other players quarterback coaches and all that, and look, that's
his opinion. He has the ability to stand on whatever
he feels like he wants to say and defend a
Sean in whatever manner he wants. But I think there's
also a lot of other people out there who will
look at the situation and I have my own perspectives.
I was a fan of the Browns. I played for
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the Browns as a quarterback, tried to play through an
injury there, Like, I know what it's like to be
in those situations and shoes. I don't know what it's
like to make two hundred and thirty million dollars, but
I know what it's like to come from a middle
class family to work my ass off to get to
a certain point in life.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And I know my perspective if I.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Was in that position, And so if people want to
take issue with it, so be it. But as far
as the Twitter stuff, like, come on, dude, have some fun.
It's Twitter or x whatever we're calling it, Like, stop
taking it so serious.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
He did say we're going to table this until he
sees you.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, like and everyone I wanted
to act like a tough guy on Twitter. Next apparently
he saw me. I didn't see you, So come up
next time.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
I'm already there. I'm already there, homie.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:27):
But that's the thing is, like come talk to me then,
Like if you got an issue with it, come talk
to me. Like, don't sit on a keyboard, don't sit
by your phone, like, come talk to me. And then
you say, well I saw you. Well, if you did
see me, why don't you come home and talk to me.
Then if you got a problem, come talk to me.
Not hard to find, you know, I mean, it's like
you saw me. I didn't see you. Sorry, dude. But
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that's the problem with all this is people people want
to take things really super seriously on Twitter and next
and make a big deal about it. And I just
I've never viewed it as that. I never have and for.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
The people.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Outside of like getting like cause a lot of guys
gained credibility through catching on with a certain player. If
that player is a high profile name, you catch on
like he said, you don't know what the f you're
talking about, and you got up like a little chick.
I just does he have the credentials to to be
able to throw throw his like throw it around like that?
(20:26):
So who is he? Did he play? Did he get drafted?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Did he There is a there's a backstory here, all right,
And and I don't even know if Brady if you
remember this, but this is how his whole issue with
with Brady and Fox Sports Radio started. So when Deshaun
Watson was demanding to be traded from the Houston Texans,
I can remember because this was before we started to yeah,
(20:49):
like because we were still doing the Sunday night show.
I was doing it out of my mom's garage. Yeah,
so this is like way back during COVID. So this
is during COVID, and I remember we we were one
of the few people that were actually saying, like defending
the Texans and saying, wait a second, he's trying to
make it seem like this is an awful organization. And
he was upset because he's traded DeAndre Hopkins. He signed
(21:10):
a contract extension after DeAndre Hopkins was traded, and Deshaun
Watson was sitting there crying, thanking the organization and everybody involved,
Bill O'Brien, everybody, the McNair, so on and so forth,
and so we were defending the Textans, say wait a second,
this doesn't make sense. Deshaun Watson's trying to give you
a story and people are trying to take it down
a direction that doesn't add up if you actually know
(21:31):
the history of how this deal got done and his
time there in Houston.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
So how did he respond?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Quincy Avery saw that and went after Brady either it
might have been DMS or on social media, and that's
when this whole thing. He's had it out for FSR
ever since then, so much so that Clay Travis commented
on the what Brady's tweet yesterday and was just saying, man,
Brady just eviscerated Quincy Avery. Quincy Avery went at Clay Travis.
(21:57):
They went back and forth. Obviously Clay used to do
this show in this time slot. So there's been something
against Brady.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
By the way, let me put it this way.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I've got a lot of people who've hitt my dms
who are like, good for you, and I'm like, here's
the truth of the matter is. And like, again, Quincy's
gonna have his own opinions on things, and he's he's
you know, that's what everyone's allowed to have in this country.
That's what makes this country great. The truth of the
matter is, though I try to be objective about all this,
like people will be like, oh, what do you have
(22:26):
something out for? I have nothing out for Deshaun Watson.
Nothing in fact, Like when he signed that deal, even
though he's questionable under the circumstances under which he signed it,
I was like, this is.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Great for football, this is great for players.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Deshaun Watson in one contract, has done more for players
as far as trying to push the envelope forward to
guarantee contracts than anyone in the history of the NFL.
I'll see that again. We'll see if Fox Sports Radio
clips this off. Deshaun Watson has done more for NFL
players than anyone in the history of the NFL with
(23:01):
the guaranteed five year deal that he signed as far
as the business of football, that is more significant than
ever as far as trying to push the envelope towards that.
Now that being said, how this whole thing's playing out.
It's the first time we've seen something like this. So
we're now getting to a point where you're like, oh,
maybe this isn't gonna work out so well for others
(23:23):
because of how the last year went, how this year
is going so far.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
And look, and we've said this before, only they know.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
This true specifics to the injuries, what he's dealing with,
you know, we touched around the idea like, look, if
it's for him mental health too, Like he needs to
get himself right in the back headspace, you know, right
in the back frame of mind in headspace he needs
to in order to play and be the player that
they're hoping he'll be. So like, we can have like
those conversations about all of this, but the reality is,
(23:52):
if people are going to make a big deal about
tweets and all that, Like I'm here for fun, Like
I'm not sitting on Twitter X and trying to sit there.
I have some serious conversation about it, Like, look, what
happened in the past, happened, And if you can't laugh
about and make fun of it, I'm sorry you don't
have a sense of humor, Like you need you need
to go find some to laugh.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
About and enjoy in life.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
And look, there was some seriousness to potentially the situation
that occurred, but the reality is like it's out there
and it's it's always going to be the case. Like
I'm sorry, Like I don't know that many people are
gonna be able to get pass some of the stuff
that had transpired and the stories that came out from
all that. In regards to the long standing story of
Quick like that's what a lot of guys are, Like
a lot of guys will send dms and fire up
(24:35):
on Twitter, like that's the reputation, you know. It's like, no, dude,
like this is just a social media platform. It's insignificant
to real life. It does not matter in everyone's real
life out there.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I'm just not real trying to go back to what
made him feel comfortable enough to say, you don't know
what you're talking about, Like I'm trying to understand his
accolades again to understand, but think about any.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Of the top quarterback coaches out there. Now you hear.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Like Tom House was a baseball pitching coach and then
he got into football and coaching. Like now, granted, Tom
is to me the best in the business at doing it.
Him and Adam Data and those guys do a fantastic job, right,
but some of the most reputable people, I mean, look,
I love George Whitfield. George is an Ohio guy, came
from Maslin. But you know, George, I think I played
a little bit of Arena League, play college ball at Youngstown.
(25:29):
It's not like, you know, he's you know, a former
Hall of Fame quarterback. And so to me, it doesn't
necessarily matter what Quincy has done in his playing career
hasn't done, because I'm sure there's a lot more has
not than actually what he's done. The reality is, if
a quarterback feels like he can work with him and
get better, that's all that matters. And it doesn't matter
if that's a high school, college or NFL and like
(25:52):
I said, I don't care if he wants to take
a shot or if he thinks he's you know, he's
got more knowledge on this situation.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
That's fine, that's his opinion. He's allowed that. I mean,
we live in a world.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Where, like some of the best teachers I've ever had
didn't necessarily have real world experience in that industry. You'd
like them to, but they don't always have that, but
they're able to teach it in a way that gets
you to understand.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, I just I get sticking up for your guys
and your clientele.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
And that's all it is is. It's an emotional response.
It's an emotional response. But I can't say which is
more high school gossipy than anything else.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I just can't say. I took too well, too kindly
to him threatening you like that, just that that kind
of rubbed me the wrong way, threatened. I showed a response.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
And then when they then they see us face to face,
then you can have your moment.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I mean that they would have caught us while we
were in Columbus, I wouldn't have been able to help
you too much.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
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hold it.
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Let me get my and I would have been holding
Lee's harroll. He was throwing up in a trash.
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But then again, when you watch Boys in the Hood,
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dude up on dope. Boy strapped the dude up on
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I'll be most most of the dudes that talk like
that and they see they see me in person, like.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I didn't realize that you look like and you're you
kind of like look like you really would handle yourself
the problem. And then after seeing the meat Wagon and
the rest of the crew, you, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Might, they kind of forget. They're like, oh they hang
around big. Yeah, everyone's big.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Kind of move you might. You might have more problems
on you. You know what you want.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It wasn't under the radar funny moment. It's when the
meat Wagon was at the Homage Bar in Columbus and
LeVar just looks at him and goes, you wore a neckroll.
Didn't know because it looks like he's still wearing it.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He looked like he's still wearing it. He walks like
he's still wearing his shoulder pads with a neck roll.
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And by the way, the whole comedic front, how could
you not admire the name Massage Watson, I mean tw Watson.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Yeah, dude.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
I had a couple more in the chamber. I was like,
all right, should I just fire this off or just
let this die? And my girls were like, Dad, let's
go look at some of the Halloween decorations. I was like,
all right, I'm not gonna have time for this. So,
I mean, that's the reality of it is. I can't
take x Twitter, whatever you wanna call it. I can't
take it seriously, and I can't take people who take
it seriously serious because I'm like, do you know what
(28:31):
I'm I'm literally putting my daughter's shoes on before walking
out the door, before I fire off a tweet, and
then it never has any impact whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
This one like we're we're acting like it's that serious.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
It's just it's crazy to me how people react to
something like social media.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Like that it's their.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Thing, the bane of our existence as a society.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Elon paying forty dollars to run a professional wrestling organization based.
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Just table this until life see you. Yeah, you don't
know what you're talking about. Like, yes, he does know
what he's talking about. He actually does. I would have
been off this show. Yeah, I know what I was
talking about. You I'm going to be messing with my record.
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Tas are putting me through this.
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I'm not doing this.
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Right now, we turn it over to the Old p
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He is Petros Papadekas, the co host of the Petros
and Money show, which you can hear on the blowtorch.
A M five seventy l A Sports a Fox college
football analyst, Pee, what's happening?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Good morning? Hi pe?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello? Hello?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Is it over for USC?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Geez?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Is it time to cash it in?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Huh? So Qayla play any more games? Should should Lincoln
coach any more of them?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Do you want me to start?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes? Right there, right there, right there.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
P Well, I think they're in they're in some trouble.
I mean, there's no doubt about that. But it's it's
really kind of a confounding situation because I remember that
we all started with the uh, remember how much fun
we're going to have with Lincoln Riley? And you don't
know what it's like. Don't even know how much fun
(31:01):
Lincoln Riley is. And I believe how you know, Yeah,
I'm not ready for the imitations just yet, but I will.
I will say that it doesn't seem like that much
fun anymore. I mean, the defense doesn't really or tackle.
(31:23):
He's banned a media member, which was embarrassing. Then they
turned around and in the history of USC, for the
first time that any of us can remember, my father
me anybody in between, anybody after that. No one has
ever banned USC players from speaking to the media in
(31:43):
Los Angeles after a loss, as if you're scared of
what they're going to say. And now Lincoln hasn't been
in practice for a.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Couple of days.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I guess he's he's got some kind of illness and
I hope he's okay. Because a head coach doesn't show
up in practice, you feel like it's some kind of scene,
serious problem. But anyway, Yeah, a lot of the problems
with the USC and a lot of the stuff we
saw them coming apart at the seams, is uh kind
of coming to fruition now. And there was a time
(32:13):
that we could all sit on this show and kind
of look at each other and it was unfathomable that
Cal would have a chance to beat USC. But is
that unfathomable now? Not really at all.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah, I love USC land eleven points. Last time I.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Looked, Actually, Cal's got a great back, and don't they
haven't tackled anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I felt that way about Utah because I thought Utah
just didn't have enough offense, coming in with a walk
on quarterback, a safety at tailback who had just carved
up cal cal did a better job on the tailback
safety than USC did. Yeah, Vaki, see only Vaki. So
(32:56):
it's amazing And a lot of a lot of the
stuff that USC gave up to Utah was schematic. I mean,
they had like stiff edge dudes on one on one
with Vaki throughout the game, and he just continued to
kill him.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
In USC.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's like they averaged nine point seven five yards of
carry in the Utah game running the ball, and they
just wouldn't run it. They want to drop back and
let Caleb Williams tap the ball and run around. The
offense doesn't work on time and after a while. I mean,
you guys have seen this team, it's deteriorated. And now
(33:34):
that you've lost two games with a bunch of Mercenary
players from all over the place and you're not playing
for a national championship anymore, which I guess Lincoln Riley
somehow said was never the goal, even though he's quoted
as saying it's the goal like twenty times in the offseason.
I just don't know if these guys are going to
(33:54):
be able to like lock arms and summon it for
each other and make something meaningful out of this season.
I mean, answer your question, LeVar, I do. Yes, I
think they're in trouble.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
They still obviously have their their PAC twelve hopes alive,
though they've only dropped one game sure conference play.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And that's what people said after a Notre Dame Brady,
they said, well they still you haven't lost a conference game.
It's like, yeah, but the riding is on.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
The wall, you think so, I mean, okay, let let
me throw this at you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Do you think they can summon themselves, Brady?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I do, because I think Caleb is that special, and
I think they've got enough skill between you know, Brendan
Rice and Zachariah Branch and Tajwa.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
I'd like all these guys, even though even Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
But I guess the one thing I want to throw
at you, because you've got such good perspective on this
is through this point in time in Clay Helton's career,
he has the exact same record as Lincoln Riley. Is
that damning when you kind of think back to the
Clay Helton era and then where Lincoln's at now and
all the hype and everything else he came. Is that
(34:54):
like when you hear that. Is that why you say
this is headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yes, because when you hear the stuff that was said
after they lost to Tulane throughout the off season, we
will have an elite defense. This is the worst will
ever be. You know, all of those different things, and
you look at this team and you look at some
of the effort on defense. You look at how the
d line and the linebackers don't seem to be on
(35:22):
the same page as far as slanting and twisting and
all the stuff they do, and then they don't fill
those gaps and they get gashed. And you look at
the team and you say last year's team was better,
and a lot of the way they practice, a lot
of the lack of physicality, the undisciplined play, the penalties,
the idiot towel waivers on the sideline that are paid
(35:44):
to jump around and weigh the house guys.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
I love those guys though.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's because you're a Notre Dame fan and it makes
us he look stupid. That's why you love it. Come on,
it's Golle's football.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Another video.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Go do a video with him then and put it
out with lighter My My point is all of those
things feel a lot like Clay Helton, Brady, I mean,
doesn't it feel like the only thing that doesn't feel
like Clay Helton is that Caleb Williams is really good
well simulator.
Speaker 6 (36:14):
I don't know if the golf simulator is still there?
I bet you it is.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Do you think, though Lincoln would let a homeless guy
come in and start returning punts and practice?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why not at least you show up on like Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Wow, we don't know what's wrong with him?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Jonas well, we'll delete it from the podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, it looks like me.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
That's the way to look at it.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, that's how That's what I had. I couldn't walk.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So I just I heard you had the gout from
the rich Foods.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Man, I don't know about the rich Foods, but that's
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
It's a rich man's disease.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Wolfgang on on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Oh that's cool. He used to be a customer at
the restaurant back in a humbler times, you know that
for Yeah, back when he just had the one restaurant
that was who he was.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I was like, what's your name?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Old?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, he's older, and what would your what would your
dad say stop what I'm just asking Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
He introduced this is Wolfgang Poky is very famous show.
I want to get back to us. He is like
us with Clay Hilton and the answer, but it's a
very smart question and the answer is yes, they're worse.
And and you know the thing about Kayleb Williams, And
I've been very fair with Kayleb Williams. I don't care
(37:27):
about the nail painting. I don't care about the self importance.
I mean, you give me twenty million dollars. When I
was that age, I'd be dead. But if you lose
a game, when you lose a game because it feels
like they're going to lose more, just get off the field.
If you're not, if you're too mad to shake hands,
(37:47):
then just get up.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
The damn tunnel. Come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
You know, just to sit there and have to be
coaxed off the bench by one of those towel waivers.
Is it's a bad look. You know, you're the leader
of the team. Get up, run up the tunnel. That
bothered me, you know? He of course knows all the
cameras are on him, and yes here, yes, everybody can
see you're disappointed, and then you turn around and you
(38:13):
don't talk to the media, and you turn around and
you don't show up for your nil show this week.
So it's like, I don't know, is USC coming apart?
Speaker 6 (38:21):
You tell me.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It does feel like and I was watching when they
were playing Arizona, there was like a state of panic
in Lincoln Riley on the sideline that he was almost
out of answers, like he couldn't believe the ego and
the arrogance there. They couldn't believe that they were in
this much of a dogfight with Arizona in a game
like that. And then you watch him the week after
(38:45):
with Notre Dame. They just dismiss everything that happened and said, listen,
this isn't a conference game.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Then this past week they lose to Utah in he
doesn't let the players, as you laid out, talk to
the media, and then he's sick and doesn't show up
to practice, he misses his coaches show. It feels like
this is the slow exit for him that I don't
see how he's back next year with USC if there's
an offer that comes from an NFL team. It feels
(39:12):
like he's gone after this year. Do you get that
sense as well too?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Or Texas A and M Yeah, I mean look.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Like that USC has a new athletic director and she
wasn't able to fix the beat Rider thing in time.
I'm sure she wasn't able to fix we're not talking
to the media thing in time, and that was obviously
a decision Lincoln Riley made. And she's got to deal
with Lincoln Riley. She's got to tell him, we'd love
(39:38):
to have you here, but a lot of these Midwest
media policies have to end. And you are going to
do this, this, and this regarding your staff. And if
that's not savory to you, if you don't like what
I'm putting down as opposed to the guy that hired you,
the old Bonerino, feel free to look for another job.
(40:00):
And she's got to do that. I mean, this is
her moment to take control of a guy who's almost
lost all of his shine in the city of Los Angeles,
and that's hard to do.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
It won't sound the same, though, will it. I like
the way she says it.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, I don't know how she talks well.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I mean, if Bonerino was there, how would it sound
if he was out of that conversation.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, Bonerino was fired for inappropriate conduct. You know, I
don't know what you guys want from me, I.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Mean what they want from you.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You guys don't even know how great? Yes, yes, yes, sorry,
it took me a little while to come up to it.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
You got it though, you hit it, don't.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, you don't miss pee happier times. Indeed those were
happier times. No, but it's sad to watch USC kind
of fall apart at the seams. But when you look
at what a finesse team they are, and you look
at the teams that compete for the championship every year
without the burp in the universe TCU, you kind of
you kind of feel stupid for joining all the hype train.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
I mean, is you CLA going to get him this year?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Probably they play defense man. UCLA's got three quarterbacks, though,
and Chip not gonna tell anybody who's gonna play. The
freshman quarterback has seemed to have lost all confidence Dante
more and I know for a fact that the team
wants the other two guys to play. Ethan Garber's hasn't
really played much at all this year. He finally started
(41:35):
last week and looked good, and he looked good when
he started the Sun Bowl. But they also have that guy. Hey,
look at me. It's Colin Shlee from Kent State. So sorry,
I just love the guy's name, like I like to
think of like Chip, Like you know when they ask
about quarterbacks and he goes, yeah, you know Dante and Ethan,
(41:55):
and then in the background, Colin sticks his head up
and goes.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
It's me, Colin Slee. It's me. That's how I feel
about it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Uh but uh so, other than the quarterback situation, I mean,
je Mike Stern event the guy that transferred from Cal
that's at UCLA. Hell, he'd had better stats if he
stated Cal with the quarterback rotation, and he's a great receiver,
and then they have Carson Steele and Harden and some
tough backs and they have a great defense. UCLA's problem
(42:26):
is a quarterback. In a couple of weeks, they might
have that short up and then yeah, us, he would
be in trouble, deep trouble. What about Oregon? What about Washington?
I mean, it's not like us. He's got Arizona and
Arizona State left on the schedule.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Here guys.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, it could be approp me there.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Arizona stage show some life last week.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
My guy Skataboo, he was Skataboo. Yeah, Skataboo runs hard,
Scottaboo bus he angers the opponent as well as Yeah,
and you know that's Those are the type of games though,
if you're gonna have a championship type of season, you're
gonna come out and your team is not going to
look like your team.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
I think it happens in pro football, and I know
what happens in college, and it could happen at home,
it could happen on the road. Like Jonas was saying,
you're outraged that you're in a situation where a team
has got you in a dog fight and they're not
supposed to and you got to find a way to
survive that game. And USC did with Arizona, except they
just turned around and lost a Notre Dame and got
(43:25):
dominated for four quarters. Washington was able to overcome against
Arizona State.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
I think they'll be.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Able to recover themselves and look more like Washington than
USC did after they were tested. What game he got
this weekend, b oh, I got a good game in
the Mountain West, a one loss UNLV team against a
one loss Presno State team in Presno.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Let's go about Barry odam Man. What a job he's done. Huh.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
He reminds me of the old mid car jobber in
the WWF Barry O.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Is it Barry Horowitz or no?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
They would just go Berry. No. I met Barry otam
in Vegas when we were there in the summer, Brady,
and I was really impressed with him. Uh, you know,
he was at MISSOO and all that, and he'd been
in the SEC and he he's got un LV going
in the right direction with a freshman quarterback. And we
(44:19):
all know Jeff Tedford at Fresno. So that'll be a
good game.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Friday night, Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Are you upset that Skittles are gone from California?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Somebody just gave me a huge bag of illegal skittles
at the radio remote.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
I'm sorry, what happened?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Contraband we live in California, Brady. Pretty soon it's gonna
be like Leningrad in the eighties. Yeah, so, no more Skittles.
The food coloring is bad for you.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
No more Skittles?
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Well, why is only California then doing that? Shouldn't everyone
be worried about that?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Well, we're trend centers here in California.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
So okay, yeah, more skittle.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So yeah, but somebody gave me a bag of skittles
and I hate to say, you know, like somebody falls
to the bottle at night.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
I fell to the bag.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Dang, A couple of handfuls to the bag.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I mean, people have been trying about that ish like crazy.
And uh, what the Cheetos, the fiery Cheetos.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's the red food coloring.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
I think that thereafter.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But LeVar, I will uh, I'll bring these skills for you.
I mean, I've still got something.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Everybody loves these hot hot Cheetos out here though. It's
a wild like phenomenon. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Now the hot talkies are taking over.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
For the hot hockeys.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah well, Petros, nothing's as hot as you get him
on the old piece.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Week there he is.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Petros Papadak is a Wednesday tradition here on FSR
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