October 26, 2023 • 46 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brock Purdy is diagnosed with a concussion after the game, opening the door for Sam Darnold. The Browns will roll with PJ Walker at quarterback while Deshaun Watson continues to rehab. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer brags about Ohio State’s win over Penn State before talking Brock Purdy, Deshaun Watson, Trade Deadline and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As, Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good, by the way, how are we coming along on
that autograph of the back of the VHS tape?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It? Did they bring it to you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I have not seen a VHS tape? Okay, well, we're
still working on that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Lee must have left it, you know, he might have
been high off of his own supply of morning time.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Lee was getting right out of there since they were
across the street.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Was Lee supposed to bring it back or was it
male test?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It might have been mailed back. They might be mailed Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
All right, we'll get How many copies do you have, Coop?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
I don't know, probably only like a couple and the
and they're also there are also vhs.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Is Can I have one?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean, yeah, you want?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You want to go on?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
They're all at my mom's house. Okay, I did ask
go get them.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'll ask her. Yeah, I'm sure there's DVDs. I just
back when when I did the movie, that wasn't really
a you know, a thing yet, So the studio sent
me a bunch of VHS's.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So those are originals?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, are you old enough to remember, like I don't know,
vivid things of like working with Jim Carrey and all that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, is he like funny and really like a lot
of comedians are not funny in real life. They're like
kind of like blah blah. How is he? He's absolutely funny.
He's always the same.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Yeah, that's it's he's not really I mean not saying
that he's not really acting, because he's done a lot
of serious roles where he does some serious, heavy acting,
but in the comedic stuff, that's just him.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Uh huh. What about you? Are you the same as
you were on the movie?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Are you a method actor? Cooper?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Do you act the same as you did back then? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You getting there?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Ah, you're gonna do Half Baked Part two? Coop's Revenge?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I would, I would love it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I would be I would start in it with you
if you want to do that, like listen, I would
sign on so far. I would sign onto that pretty
quickly too, Cooper.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Coop, how old were you when you did the movie?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was seven?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Okay, dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, so like twenty like closer to eight or real
seven like real seven. So it was twenty twenty seven
years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Because there's a lot of of development from seven to eight.
Like it's a big jump, is there. Yeah, what are
you talking? I'm dealing with it right now. Really, yes, Yeah,
there's a big jump from seven.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
When your kid turns seven, they start to turn into
like a little person, like like a real little person
by the time they hit eight, Like eight, is it
you're doing stuff?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You're going like damn yeah, Like my daughter at eight
right now is I'll be sitting there like, are you
freaking kidding me? Like she's she's smarter than me. Oh god,
I mean, I don't know if that's saying much, but
about me, I'm just saying my son's already there and
he's two and a half. So no, no, he's not.
He's not. I can assure you, no, he's not not. Jonas,
(03:17):
But you know, to give it some time, my guy. Yeah,
that's your first one. You don't have any comparisons. Yeah,
I mean unless you was around Tyrone's kids, you know
what I mean. Then you got old Parson.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That might have been a little different.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, there's some differences there.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No, they're a little bit bigger than your boy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A little bigger, a little, a little, a little different,
could play different, different background textures, all that stuffes different streets,
rating a different type of rat although old school, old
same hydraulics.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Things popping up and down.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Man, when they pulled up, I was like, damn and
the caddy a top down, bro, All of them is
like all of us six six sixty seven. It's like
five of them and they all got in the same car.
He's had that Cadillac for so long. Like that was like,
but that's when cars were cars. That's when cars were cars.
Like you hit something with that car big, You hit
(04:10):
something with that car to day and you're turning that
into a can. Yeah, like literally smash can. Yeah, you
go through anything with them old caddies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Man, Yeah, those are boats boats on.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
We have six foot seven kids, three of them in
the back seat. Y'all pulling off comfortably. You gotta pull
the top down.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Sounded like Americane.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They was reclined in that back seat. Caddy a cat
used to be homeless in their caddies. No, they're not them.
Caddies is bigger than some of these park studio apartments.
In the back seat that's why so many of y'all
born from a caddy.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Damn you too, Coop. We got confimation. Well listen, I
was kind of spicy for three of us. Well, I
mean something got a little spicy in the NFL. Yeah,
like yeah, all of a sudden, just out of the blue,
rules fall off just middle of the week a Wednesday,
(05:07):
getting ready for Weekgate in the NFL, kicking off later
on tonight. We'll have more on that coming up later
on between the Bucks and the Bills. And next thing,
you know, everybody's favorite quote unquote system quarterback Brock Party
ends up in concussion protocol a couple of days after
a game against the Minnesota Viking. So here was this
head coach Kyle Shanahan talking with the media about the situation.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Started getting symptoms on the plane. So we finally found
that out when we landed. We were all pretty asleep.
But then he got all checked up today and I
saw yesterday and I was in the protocol.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
How does he have enough time to clear a protocol
in order to be available for the game of Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh yeah, he does have enough time. It's got to
go through the process.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You watched the film where do you think he heard
himself quarterback Sneaks.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Possibly, We don't know for sure because he didn't start
getting into the plane, so I don't know exactly, but
i'd probably guess tell at all.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
I guess you're a coach on sideline to relaying and
all the other sense anything like that. I know that
you have an independent neurologist's supposed to be looking for
that fight as a coach to you.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No, I mean cause I mean I don't get to
talk to him when I'm calling plays in you know,
but he on the sidelines a couple of those series,
I mean, nothing with Grease hearing it, and I know
after the game he talked to you guys and Cory.
So it's kind of a surprise when I woke up on.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The plane on one of those that was Kyle Shannan
talking about the Brock Party situation. On one of those
quarterback Sneaks. There's a video going around where I think
it's Hicks of the Vikings who just cracked him to
where it was helmet to helmet, and some people have
speculated maybe that was where the blow took place. But
I mean, he didn't like nothing popped up like there
(06:45):
was no, And doesn't this kind of signal that when
people are talking about Tua and all these other concussions,
it's like, man, not everything is equal. Like some of
this stuff maybe just pops up later on, and it
doesn't mean that the team is being reckless or the
coach is being reckless. It's just people showed symptoms at
different times.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, concussions are a really interesting, unique thing.
Everyone experiences them in different ways. I saw the hit
you're talking about. It's one of the hits when you're
talking about the whole push push, brotherly shove, that play
that's gonna happen at some point too.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And that's why it kind of gives me a.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Little bit of a concern because with a lot of
those sneaks, the way we're doing him now, that's really
the only recourse a defender has. But in this case
for Purdy, I think the hard thing is we have
seen a handful of players be able to pass protocol
in the same week and still get out there and play,
but this kind of felt like it was late in
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the week in the process, which would make it difficult
for them to be able to for to have him
get cleared in time.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But it's not saying you can't.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
It just it seems like it be a little bit
more of a difficult process to go that route either way.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
If you look at.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
The stats too, after he sustained that hit, that's when
the two picks came into play. That's what his his
play really wet downhill in the game was after that
particular quarterback stick where he took the shot from Hicks.
So maybe that lends to explain a little bit more.
I think there's a been other quarterbacks who've sustained head
(08:17):
stayed in and you've kind of seen that sort of
play before, but it's it's different for everyone. And that's
the crazy thing about concussions, and it's how players and
teams and everyone has.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
To deal with it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, I'm glad you offered that reasoning because I was
really wondering, did the did the milk go bad? Did
the did the whale run dry? I'm just you know,
you watch the way he was playings, like, man, is
is it like going bad right in front of our eyes?
I mean, maybe it's the concussions. I mean, the concussion.
Maybe that's what it is. I don't know, but just
(08:47):
watching it, it was like, did we watch a shift
you know that sometimes recall him when we were talking
about who was rush playing for the Cowboys, is like, oh,
he gets in there right after that goes out. He's
having all kinds of success. You know, you don't generally
get an opportunity when a guy comes in for a
(09:07):
limited amount of time because it's such a small sample
size to be able to see if it's sustainable or not.
You know, that's the biggest thing about when you're playing
playing at the professional level and somewhat even at the
college level. Can you sustain success once people have film
on you, they have book on you, and then they're
coming They know to come after you. Like Brock Purdy
(09:28):
is now a target. He's not just mister irrelevant. He's
like one of the hotter players at the position in
the league right now, whether you think he's system or not.
So I hope that's what it is, because he looked
like his trajectory was higher and is going to go high.
But it also looked like, I mean, was it a
(09:49):
riddle that was figured out? We were in the course
of that game.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We were talking about it on Tuesday that you know,
the Sharks were in the water. They were waiting for
anything to try and bite down and go with their
well brock Purdy's system quarterback, he got exposed, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. He was playing pretty decent before that,
you know, the week before obviously was a struggle. But
then if you do find out, okay, well he took
(10:12):
a big hit or maybe a couple of big hits,
makes it more more FeAs it does seem like that's
more of applausible reason as to why maybe he struggled
down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know, it is two games that they lost back
to back, and it's interesting, curious they scored seventeen points
in both games, so they're not even breaking twenty, you know,
with with their offensive production, they hit the same number
two weeks in a row. I mean, I don't know
what core you know, what conclusion to draw from that,
other than say there wasn't very much offense and there
(10:45):
has been injuries, so I get it. Not just brock Purdy.
You know, you got you got key injuries to the team,
so maybe they're just banged up right now, but it
does I don't know. I mean, if I'm a forty
nine ers fan. My question to you guys would be,
should you be concerned with a two game skit and
now he's in concussion protocol? Maybe he clears, maybe he doesn't.
(11:07):
Do you have confidence in Donald? And if Party clears
then comes back, do you have confidence that he's going
to be better? That would be the question I'd be asking.
I think, if I'm a Niners fan.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It sucks for brock Party, but I'm fascinated to see
what Sam Donald looks like in this offense, Like, I
really want to see how this plays out with him.
I mean, this is the best he's had to work with.
I mean, even if Deebo Samuel is out, you know,
he's got Christian McCaffrey. Like, we haven't seen Sam Donald
with all the tools that a Brock Party has had
(11:36):
to work with. And this is somebody that everybody loved
coming out of college. It was a top three pick.
So I'm curious to see what that looks like when
it comes to Sam Donald potentially shooting up this weekend.
And it's a good game against the Cincinnati Bengals, so
it's going to be a fun one to watch.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Not an easy game.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, tough one, tough one. A tough one, especially considering,
you know, playoff consideration. Some people think was it Albert Breer?
Some had this as a Super Bowl pression.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, you have three lots, the third loss steering you
right in the face, like right down in the face,
like hey bitch, I'm right here, look at me. Wow,
I'm your third loss. Ain't I look at me? Look
at me. I did this to you. So they got
some stage, got something to play for it because the
Bengals are still trying to play their way back up
(12:21):
into the light too. You got two teams, one is
on a two game skin, and you got a team
that's trying to climb back off of bye week, off
of bye week. Yeah, that should be hard.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, So it's gonna be uh fun to see how
that one plays out here, gut feeling, Who do you
guys got in that game? I mean, if you had to,
if you had to right now, I'll.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Take the Bengals. I mean I picked this game back
on those Bengals. The points at five and a half.
What's the line of out two and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Three and a half, three and a half, yeah, plus
three and a half.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think I'm still gonna take the Bengals until that
line gets below three.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I think I think I'd still take the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
See, that's smart shopping, that's just smart shopping. I'm telling me,
man Is, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Let I'm gonna just let you have his prediction. I'm
gonna just wait until we do our over unders and stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You're not ready to spread them.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm not ready to spread them yet. Nope, I'm not
going to be that easy. At three fifteen six fifteen
year takes sense all this, I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Who knows, We'll see how it turns.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This is much easier than you keep it closed. Does this? Yeah?
Closed up?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I'm quick. Doesn't take a lot from me. Hey, nope,
I'll spread them at any point. I mean, you know,
we'll see how this turns out at the end of
the week.
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
So we've got a Deshaun Watson update if anybody's interested.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean, did you need an update or did you already.
Were you looking for confirmation?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well, who knows, man, it's what is the update as
the world turns? Well, I mean, don't listen.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Let's be careful on how we you know, present this
as well. You don't want to say anything the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What could happen.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The goons come out for you, start telling you wait
till I see you in person, stuff like that. So
just make sure it's positive whatever it is, keep it
above board with.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
With this way, how would that play out? Like he
approaches somebody on the set of Big Neon Kickoff, next
thing you know, Dave Coelo puts him in a dars choke.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, there's security on side.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
There's there's some big I know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Interesting thing is like how do you say, like wait
till I see it? But then you're like, yeah, I
saw you, Like well wait a second.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I just saw you just so I don't know, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It was a little bit interesting too, is like you know, offically,
doctor Chow, other doctors want to chime in now even
without examining uh Deshaun, they would like to give their
medical opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I've never understood.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I understand like trying to peel back the layers of
you know, want to provide medical information about players. But
I also feel like it's a risky proposition. Like as
a doctor, I think most doctors would say, outside of providing,
you know, the typical like, hey, this is what is
being reported as the injury.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
This is the issue.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You gotta be careful because you don't have hands on
with that particular patient. You have no idea the specifics
to the injury outside of what's being reported. You're not
a part of any sort of imaging and all that.
So I do find it interesting that, like people made
a business out of it. Yet if we're being real
with it, no one in their right mind would ever
listen to a doctor that hasn't seen them personally.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
So I do find it interesting or.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Analystic that, you know what I mean, Like it's just
people giving opinions and my alt is and my here's
my opinion. He don't want to play, they don't want
to play.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You will, yeah, like and that and look good. There
was also remember when Gino Smith suffered the ankle sprain.
I think it was on Monday Night fight. I think
it was against the Giants, and there were some people
on some you know, medical experts who saw the injury
and said, oh, yeah, that's a high ankle sprain. He
won't be back. He came back that same game, Like
he missed a little bit of time, but he came
back and they ended up winning the game. So I
(16:06):
don't know how you from, you know, the couch can
diagnose what's going on with somebody's body. But Kevin Stefanski,
the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, he did talk
with the media yesterday. He gave the announcement on the
decision at quarterback for the Cleveland Browns and just what
his conversations have been like with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 9 (16:25):
Pj's going to start this week. Deshaun's going to focus
on his rehab. I just feel like with what happened
in the game landing on his shoulder, there's residual swelling
that's affecting his throne. I think it's the best thing
for him to rest this week and focus on the rehab.
And you know, as I've told you guys, I will
always make what I think are the best decisions for
(16:49):
our football team for Deshaun, and I feel like this
is the best decision for this week. I talked to
DeShawn every day. Like I mentioned to you guys, it's
he wants to play very badly. He also knows that
that rehab is the decision this week, and but he's
gonna do everything he can to support his teammates. You know,
he's a captain of the team. He provides great leadership.
(17:10):
So he wants very badly to play, but just this
week makes sense to focus on the rehab.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
All right, all right, so it doesn't sound bad, Okay,
So he was cleared to play and he didn't play
a couple of weeks ago, then there was a bye,
then he didn't play again after the bye. Then he
played but was pulled from the game out of caution.
They did an MRI. His shoulder was not damaged in playing,
(17:40):
yet he's still not playing. He doesn't want to play
like that, Like that's that's the way I look at this.
They're like, how many times can you be medically cleared
and not play without somebody just saying the obvious like
you did, LeVar. He doesn't want to play, like you.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Know, I just I feel like he's gotten comfortable with
not completing seasons, and that's a thing. I mean, I'm
just being honest with you when you have again, I
said this on on on one of my podcast entries,
I've never been well, you know, I didn't seedlessly plug
like you, but I may mention of the fact that,
(18:21):
like you work your entire life like he's, he has
a very very humble beginning. I mean so much so
to the point of, if you know his story, at
one point he was homeless. You know, he's one of
the families that work done, you know, byt them home
a home. If you're working your entire life to be
able to create some just life stability, you know, it's
(18:47):
not even it's like, yeah, you want to get a job.
You're not going to be financially all the way stable.
You're going to live check to check, But you know what,
you have stability in your life. Let alone if you
were card in life and you end up making it
to a situation where you're guaranteed the amount of money
that he has and by the way, the amount of
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money that he had before he even got to that
contract was a large contract. So I can only imagine
the amount of experiences and the things that he's he's
done during the times where he's not playing, and that's
a very like when I tell you it's a very
real thing. That's a very real thing. When you have
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the type of financial resources at that level, the things
that you do, the access, you have two different things,
and it almost it almost takes away that drive or
that hunger. And people say, oh, no, no, that's not
that's overblown. No, no, you're you're a player, and you
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want to know. You can lose the desire to want
to go in to work every day. You can lose
the will to to really really want to compete. You
might in your mind think you want to, but there's
a part of you that's sitting there saying, I don't
feel like getting up and going in today, And you
(20:12):
know what, why should I? You know, I just you know,
And then that when that happens, injuries hurt more, everything
hurts more, Meetings are longer. I was there, I was
at that point my last year in the league I started.
I was dealing with injuries. I was there, you know,
and you just start to lose your your kind of
(20:32):
your focus in on it and your your passion for it,
and you then ultimately the love leaves. Do you see
love in Deshaun Watson's face and his actions. When you
see him on the field, it looks like a totally
detached dude, is what it looks like to me.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, I'll say this though, like for people who
have a ton of money, they'll also tell you, like
having money doesn't solve all your problems either, it creates
more amount of stress.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, mo, money more problems what they said.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, Look in this case, the thing that it's hard
to understand is and this is this is where people
I think took issue with what I said. I've never
once questioned Deshaun Watson this toughness. He's played through injuries before.
It's why it's probably more surprising that he's not playing
at this point like he's playing through it toward a
(21:21):
cl So no one's questioning is toughness or is competitiveness,
And it's what makes this whole thing a little more perplexing.
And I understand the injury to the rotator cuff because
I've had a post terol libramterre.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I've had torn carlage in my.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Ribs, got shot up, got my shoulder shot up, played
through it, been there like had Liz Frank injury, played
through it, finished the game, broke my right index finger,
tried to play through it, try to start the next
week in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
They literally took me.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Out at half and they say, hey, ball's not coming
off your hand, right, I think you eat surgery.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Like, been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
No one's questioning is toughness or competitiveness. At least, I'm
not questioning his competitiveness. It's more about the timeline of
what they've given out when they said four to six weeks, Well,
the initial injury happened back in what September twenty fourth,
twenty second, Well that was what Thursday because they played
the Titans of the twenty fourth. Who knows at this point, Yeah,
(22:25):
well no, I'm telling you for a fact, Yeah it
was that. No one knows it was actually they played
the Titans on the twenty fourth, I believe.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, I think it's the twenty fourth, you know, I
think it was on the twenty fourth that they played golf.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But the point is is now we are a month
after that, and so I don't know if, like the
rehab clock restarts because he played last week and when
he got knocked down on the interception, they said he
fell on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
It looked like he hit his head.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Honestly, I thought it was more concussion related because he did,
I believe, get.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Checked out for that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It looked like he hit his head and that's all
we're talking about, all right, clear concussions like but now
it's the shoulder like it was if you recall, that's
what Deshaun Watts. Deshaun Watson addressed his shoulder. He didn't
even address the concussion, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So my point is, does that restart the clock for
what's going on with his shoulder, because otherwise, like you're
in that window, would he based on all our medical
experts that haven't examined him that want to chime in,
that's say you should be back by now.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
So I don't know, man, It's it's to the point.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Where as again, I think for Browns fans out there,
you're watching a team that sits at four and two.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
They can make a run.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
They can be a team that competes, I think for
an AFC championship if they get I guess at this.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Point, PJ.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Walker playing a little better, right if he starts to
pick things up, takes care of the football, The way
they're running the football, their defense, the way they're playing
like they're gonna have a shot. So I mean, at
this point, I'm kind of just moving on to all right,
like what do we got this week? If I'm a
Browns fan, Browns player.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Who do we got this week? And who do we
have healthy that we're able to you know, put out there.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Just the part that still just doesn't make sense to me.
And you know, he gets clear, they're saying no further damage.
He got another MRI this week, as we laid out.
But you know, Adam Schefter has got you know this,
you know, more clarity on Deshaun's injuries. It told him
he's got, you know, this strain of you know, whatever
the it is, you know, four to six weeks. Okay, Well,
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if there's been no other further damage to it, and
that was the injury at the four to six week mark,
why didn't you just put them on IR? Had they
put him on IR, there just wouldn't have been any questions, Like,
there wouldn't have been any Okay, he's on IRI. He's
going to miss this amount of time. It's just the
week by week approach. When you knew it wasn't a
week by week injury. After the fact none of it
adds sense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There's still supportive I mean hearing the hey coach speak on,
there's still supportive of them.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He has to be, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, he doesn't have to be. He he doesn't have
to be, but he still is an I'm just curious
how long this plays out. Well, I mean you're out
on Sunday, Okay, you've been continuously missing games or coming
out of the game, I mean you only played a quarter.
You didn't even play a quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
If you're let me ask you guys this, because both
you guys are ultra competitive and have played through a lot.
If your coach pulled you aside and said, hey, I
know you're cleared. I know medically you can go out
and play, but I'm making this decision to pull you
out of this game and you're not going to play
this week, you would fight.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Him on that. I would want to understand why. I
would feel like there's an ulterior motive if that were
the case, Like I'm not, I'm not the player that
I think I am. If a coach is unless he
can explain to me the significance of the reason why
you're holding me out, that's that's that's how I would
handle it, Like, cause if you know me as a player,
(25:55):
if you if you coached me as a player, that's
not even something that you're going to You're not even
going to come to me with that. You understand what
I'm saying, Like, you're not going to come like LeVar,
we know you're healthy, we know you're cleared to play,
we know you're practicing, but you know what, like we're
just we're going to hold you out this game, Like
preseason that might be it, but a regular season game.
(26:18):
I mean, why would you even approach someone of Mike
caliber with with something of that buffoonery? It just do
It wouldn't make sense. So I wouldn't know how to
handle it because it's not something that I would be
faced with.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think the other side of this conversation, though, is
it'd be one thing if they were a team that
was struggling, but they're not, like they're they're winning without
them being there, and I think that also lends you
to think, well, maybe they can be more patient with it,
Like maybe Kevin Stefanski would be like, hey, dude, we
need to we needed to go in there because we
don't right now, we're not winning. If we want to
(26:54):
have a shot, we've we've got to we've got to
have you in there. We've got to have a shot
of Ubili's playing. Eve though you're one hundred percent, whatever
percentage you are is better than the alternative.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
But that's not the position. They're winning even without them.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So maybe they feel like they can be more patient,
you know, with allowing him to get back to one
hundred percent and when he feels like he's a hundred
percent to get back out there and play.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
There's also that side.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Possible, and that's very possible. I just think if you're
in a if we're in a conversation where the debate
is talking to Deshaun Watson and seeing if he wants
to go, or pleading with him or reasoning with him
about going, you're already in the wrong place. Like I've
(27:40):
heard of holding guys back in spite of themselves, I've
never really outside of the guys who have checked out
where a coach or they're And here's another thing you
got to think about. I mean, maybe I'm negligent on
all of the information, but I haven't seen any other
players come out and have anything to say about it.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
And to me.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
When a guy is under fire, I.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Mean, who needs players when you got throwing coaches?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You know what I mean? Well, when that's I guess
that's true. You know, no, that's not true at all.
When your players say, you know what, like Deshaun needs
this time, or you know, we got Deshaun until it
gets back, or anything like just any type of show
of public support in the media as it applies to
your fellow man, you know that there's a level of
(28:29):
respect there, like you're not really hearing anybody say anything
about them, which it almost feels like they're probably unconcerned,
they're unbothered by the fact that he's not playing. And
I say, I may mention of this last week. The
worst thing that could ever happen, and that is, if
you're still into being someone in your locker room and
on the field with your team, the worst thing you
(28:49):
could ever do is allow your teammates to lose respect
for who you are and lose the belief in the
fact that we need you with us to be able
to win. If they continue to win without him, when
he comes back, they're still looking at him kind of like, well,
we've been winning without you. It's still going, You're going
to be looked at a little bit differently if the
(29:10):
circumstances aren't on the up and up. Now, if he's
really injured, that's different. But if you get that feeling
that he's detached and he's not a part of us,
and you know he's not part of the program the
way that he's supposed to be, that could be a
difficult challenge. That could be a challenge that Stefanski's going
to have to make sure he's looking at, monitoring and
(29:31):
managing possibly.
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Speaker 2 (30:13):
The man that's in is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can get him on Twitter or
x or whatever they're calling it now at Albert Breer. Albert,
big week for you. How are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Good morning, LeVar, Good morning, Albert Breer, Good morning.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Wow, right out of the gates.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You got a good game.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You got bragging rights for another yet another year.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
You know, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean, spoken like a true Buckeye. But yeah, and
now he's got.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Us build an excuse if if Michigan loses, or excuse me,
to Michigan, he'll just say.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh, I was the sign stealing.
Speaker 12 (30:55):
I was gonna say, Uh, Levary, we really got the
heat taken off for you guys this week. Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I mean, you know, to be honest with you, Albert,
I was at the game. You guys, aren't that good?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You got you got, you got, you got a good
defense for certain, you got one really really amazing uh receiver.
I mean he's special. You know the tight end is
good too. But I'm you know, I wouldn't be surprised
if you guys took it. I wouldn't be surprised if
Wisconsin beat y'all. Man, I'm just being honest. I don't know.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
So you're saying it, well, I mean, trust me, Like
I I watched football like this for ten years when
Jim Tressel was the coach. So this isn't a foreign
This isn't a foreign like I've seen. I've seen teams
win this way before. But uh, you guys got a
great defense too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yet great defense kept us.
Speaker 12 (31:43):
In the game.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, well yeah, we're well, we're working to figure things out.
But you know what, that's hair Nord. There you guys
got the W and and congrats on your win and
still being you know, a top of the board of
rankings and and moving forward undefeated. There you go.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Thank you. See the respect there, LeVar.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
I really appreciate you guys playing a nice clean game too.
It was everything seemed to be above board on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You're being I can hear the sarcasm. What are you
trying to say, right, I can hear the sarcasm.
Speaker 12 (32:17):
I'm just I'm just saying I enjoy a well played
game filled with integrity, right, Like, It's just it was
good to see that.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
On Saturday he's taking a shot at Michigan. He's moved
on to Michigan. Clearly you've already beat Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Well just float out to ask you, Albert, is is
the sign stealing why Michigan has beaten Ohio State the
past two years?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
But I think double digits these are the past two
Oh no.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
No, no, no no. I'm a man of integrity, and
I you know, I look the scoreboards, the scoreboard, so
you don't see what happens this year. But scoreboards, the scoreboard.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Oh I mean fired uf h man bang bang yeah damn.
So when you win, you get to talk, you know, yeah,
close there, No, no, I knew where I was doing.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I went right to this.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
No, no, okay, all right, So Albert, something that's not
all good is brock prety. He's in concussion protocol, which
looks like we might see Sam Darnold in line to
start for the forty nine ers. When did you did
you notice anything or did you talk to people?
Speaker 11 (33:23):
This?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Was this a surprising to you as it was other
people that just popped up on a Wednesday?
Speaker 12 (33:28):
Yeah, definitely caught me off guard. And you know, sometimes
these thinks happened. I don't know, I mean, I this
stuff is so sensitive Jonas, you know, like you know,
like I know, everybody thinks something the sarious might have
happened and everything else, But the reality is, you know,
these things can happen in football games and can go
unnoticeding football games, and there are independent percussion spotters at
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these games, and and look like you know, I think,
and you know, we got two of the guys here
who played in the league, like I you know, like
guys are gonna do what they need to do to
stay in games, you know, And I if brought party,
ignored symptoms or didn't report symptoms, or played through something
(34:10):
that maybe he shouldn't have played through, like he certainly
wouldn't be the first person to do that, you know,
especially as a quarterback and a guy who you know,
your team really needs you out there. So I mean,
I again, like it's it's good they caught it when
they did. It's good that they were able to figure
out what he was going through. But until like there's
(34:32):
like proof is someone ignored someone willingly ignored something, like
I don't know, it's a big leap to take to
think that, like you know, like there was anything nefarious
that went on here, I would assume that you know,
in this case, it was just look like you know,
people missed it and maybe brought himself missed it, and
you know it's good that they caught it on the
way home.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
You know, this honestly brings to mind like when you
were young. I remember the first times I think I
was playing sacle football in third grade and I the
coach asked me, are you hurt or are you injured?
And at the at a very young age, he was
trying to like really teach me the difference between the two.
If you're hurt, you're gonna be in pain, but you
can still play. If you're injured, you can't play. And
(35:12):
it kind of brings into that where I figure seeing
that right now kind of across the NFL in some ways.
But it is when you look at this sort of thing,
do you sit there and say to yourself, like, the
NFL should reevaluate how they go about identifying concussions or
handling concussions or injuries for that matter. It seems like
with the injury reports too, and just I don't know
(35:34):
what you want to call the Bejon Robins situation a
couple weeks ago, but how do you think they need
to go about handling basically giving out information, especially for
the betting markets.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
Yeah, obvious, say that, Brady, because we just had actually
had that talk with our third grade football team about
being hurt and being injured. Yeah, I think it's I
think they've already done a ton and I do think
we're making progress, right, Like I think was it strict
three four years ago that Ben Roethlisberger self reported one, right,
(36:04):
and you know, and that was great to see that, right,
like that that a guy would say, you know what,
like I don't feel right, I'm going to say something
to the doctor. The doctor was able to diagnose him
and they were able to pull him out of the game.
Here's the problem. And I think this is the problem
not just with concussions, but with all injuries. And you guys,
and you guys can relate to this. Ben Roethlisberger did
(36:26):
that when he was what fifteen years into the league
and had you know, nine figures in his bank account,
so like he was in a position where he could
afford to do that. If you're talking about a guy,
you know, like a brought party for example, who could
eventually get there, but certainly isn't there now and doesn't
want to open the door for somebody else to come
(36:47):
in and take his job, which is the reality of
almost every guy in the NFL. Is like, if you
come off the field, for eighty percent of the guys
in the NFL, you come off the field and you
risk losing your job for it, Right, how hard is
it to get that guy to report, Oh, my god,
I got my bell rung, or I'm seeing stars, or
you know, my need doesn't feel quick quite right, or
my shoulder feels loose. Like that's the problem, you know,
(37:10):
And that's the fundamental issue is you know, in a
league without guaranteed contracts, you know, and this is kind
of the dichotomy, like you know, with the NFL itself,
it's like they're never going to guarantee all the contracts,
yet they want you to report all the injuries fall.
Like if you're a player in that situation and you know,
like your ability to continue playing the game like rides
(37:32):
on your ability to stay on the field, You're going
to do everything you can to stay on the field.
And what happens to make it really difficult.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
So how does that change in a player's mindset? Albert,
if you have a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
I mean, I think I think it at the very
least if you have if you have a full guaranteed
and it may not even have as much to do
with the contract, but I do think it does to
some degree. Like like, look like if I sign up,
if I come in, if I'm a first round pick
and I sign a fully guaranteed forty year d right,
well and I'm in the second year of my deal, Well,
then I know, like that seems probably not cutting me
(38:07):
after the year, versus like if I'm a seventh round pick,
which is what brock Party is, Like, none of my
money is guaranteed, and so like if I get hurt
and somebody else takes my job, then they can just
cut me at the end of the year and it's
not a problem. I think it all ties to job security,
you know what I mean. And maybe it's not the
money so much as it is the job security, you know.
But you know, like job security in the NFL is
(38:29):
zero for most players, you know, and guys who come
in as first round picks. For the two of you
guys did like you have a little bit more, But
you know, I think every and you guys can speak
this as much better than I can. Like, there's just
like for almost everybody in the NFL, your job security
is day to day, and there's somebody behind you in
(38:50):
most cases is a really good player and is ready
to take your job. And then brock Party's case, the
guy behind him was a third pick in the draft
five years ago. Now he has played great, but he
still got talent, you know, So you know, you sort
of understand the psychology of this. And I don't know
that like guarantee contracts that fits it, you know, across
the board probably wouldn't, But I do think like the
(39:13):
fact that contracts aren't guaranteed do affect the way that
certain players approach these situations and affect the culture of
players playing hurt in the league.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I thought that was a great explanation. Ab And you
used the word and afarious earlier on in another response
taking what your explanation was, would guarantee versus not guaranteed nefarious?
I mean, how do you relate that to what's going
on in Cleveland? If at all?
Speaker 12 (39:39):
Yeah, I think it's it's a weird situation, definitely. I Mean,
I look, I go on what I know and what
I know is the coaches and players that I've talked
to there still have deshaunks back on this. And you know,
I talked to TJ. Walker after a game a couple
of weeks ago and to Deshaun had helped them get
ready for the game, and a couple of his coaches attitude,
(40:00):
and he's done a lot, Like he's done a lot
behind the scenes, so he's still I just think if
like if he was quitting on the team, like you
would get that vibe, and I don't get that vibe.
But look like I'm I see everything that everybody else
sees too, you know what I mean, which is like
this was seen as something that was like a day
to day or a week to week type of injury,
(40:22):
and now we're at five or six weeks and we
seem to be going backwards where it was. We're taking
it right up until the game and then he can't play. Well,
we're actually starting him in the game and then calling
him to now like he's being ruled out on Wednesday.
So like that definitely makes it look like it's going backwards.
And then you have the pr aspect of this, you know,
which is the injury information got out this week and
(40:44):
why is that? Well, I mean, trust me, like this
is my line of work, Like I know the way
this works. Like that doesn't get out for no reason,
and it means somebody was feeling the heat, whether it's
somebody Deshawn's gamp for somebody with the Browns. So this
has definitely gotten to the point where it's where it's
a little weird. And again, like I don't have I
don't have any evidence that like you know, the team
is upset with him, or that his teammates are upset
(41:06):
with him, or that he's put on the team. But
it's definitely in a very very very strange place.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Albert Brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB Albert, The trade deadline is
coming up on Tuesday, the thirty first, Happy Halloween. Who's
going to get something? Who's on the move? What are
you hearing?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (41:24):
So I think Minnesota is a team to watch now.
The interesting thing is, like three of the teams that
would have put in this category one over the weekend, Minnesota, Denver,
New England that would be sellers. Minnesota would be a
team to watch though, and so you know, I think
Danil Hunter is the one that everybody's got their eye on,
maybe for a day two pick he goes somewhere. He's
in the contract year. You know, they'll get calls on
(41:45):
kJ Osborne. If Harrison Smith wanted to go somewhere, I
think they could find a home for him. I don't
know that he will. He took a pay cut to
stay there, Carolina. You know they'll get calls on Brian Burns.
You know, they've turned down massive offers for Brian Burns
over the last year, so they haven't had the appetite
to move him. But he is in the contract year,
(42:07):
you know. And then I think Denver is interesting because
Denver's gonna listen on everybody and it's not gonna be
fire sale. But Jerry, Judy Courtland, Sutton, Garrett Bowles, Josie Jewel,
Justin Simmons and I And they've gotten calls on passing
Stan too. Now, Sir Can, I think would be a
whole harder to get. But if somebody comes with the
Jay Jalen Ramsey package where they listen, you know, they
(42:30):
need picks, and they're going to be looking for picks
over the next week and then New England. You know
they've got a number of young players Josh Hugh, Jay,
Mike Nwanu, you know, Kyle Dugger that are up after
this year that they haven't been able to re sign.
So they're going to listen on people too, So you know,
I think you're gonna have a healthy market. And then
you know the other one will be Washington and I
(42:51):
missed them there, but the two defensive ends in Washington
bear Watching Montees what and Chase Young, especially if they
lose on Sunday. The Commanders I think will listen on
both of those guys. I don't think they'll trade both
of them, by the thing, but they're certainly open to
the idea of trading one or the other. And if
I had a guess right now, I would say maybe
more amenable to moving Chase Young than Dean Montese with.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Wow, it can be on his way out.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
So hell, you're telling me, Albert, even if Minnesota wins
this week, they'll still be shopping players.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
I mean, they'd be two and on in the division.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
They'd be climbing back into the playoff hunt, and they're
just going to deal all these players and say, hey, Kirk,
keep playing and got a high level.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
You got to you got to go on this thing.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
I mean, you got to consider where they are though, Brady,
I mean, they've been very disciplined. The Giants are the
same way. The record isn't as good, but the Giants
and the Vikings to the same approach, which was like
last year they were going to win with the players
they inherited and then they were going to go to
their cap reset in year two. And so like the
Vikings I think are carrying something like sixty million dollars
dead money this year. They've reseid a bunch of things.
(43:57):
They obviously jettison some some veteran players know Dalvin Cook
and Adam Feeln and Rick Kendricks. They're really this is
really a reset year for them. And so like there's
two sides of it, right, which is like, if you're
really resetting, you want to build up draft capital and
you don't want to go all in on players who
are going to be gone next year. Daniel Hunter would
(44:18):
fit in that category as a guy who's going to
be a free agent next year. But on the other side, yeah,
you do want to give the guys who are are
in house now a chance to compete, so they're balancing
those two things. Like I think I would say this, Brady.
I think like they're more cognizant of their ability to
get back in the race now than they were a
week or two ago. But they're still going to listen
(44:40):
on players if they don't think are going to be
there in a year or two.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
He is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB.
You can get him on Twitter at Albert Breer and
I don't even need to ask him. I think he
feels like this weekend, at the end of the game,
Ohio State will be leading Wisconsin by more than fourteen
and a half points.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
That's maybe cam Brandle what though. Camp Randle is a
tough place to play and uh and Luke Fickle knows
Ohio State pretty well, so it could be a little
bit more of a dog fight than people think.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So there it is the great Albert Breer. Albert, we
appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 12 (45:14):
Thanks guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
But it is two pros and a cup of joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, Sam what, I would.
Speaker 10 (45:21):
Just love it, I say love I did just win there,
So you know Ohio station going there and win by forty, right,
Iowa won by nine.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
In my ear, I would just won there, couldn't It
had been a minute.
Speaker 12 (45:36):
I couldn't even I.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Couldn't even hear Albert's side off this episode. No, it's fine.
I'm just you know they won big win for Iowa. Yeah,
went up to Floyd.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
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blip almost.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
I had my mic on you, That's all.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I was like, I wonder if I think I think
I wasn't typing on speed of your fingers and the
typing and the how it hit, but it overwhelmed the mute.
It was quicker than the mute. I'm telling You're like,
you're like Gordon on the keys.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Well, I think that was possible.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I neither.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Probably you probably pick up piano quick if you try.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You really could your your finger.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
That actually had the piano teacher after five lessons told
me he asked if I wanted to learn the guitar
because I was not picking up on very well.
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I'll tell that piano teacher to kiss your ass, all right,
you don't deserve that.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
He was actually a nice gentleman. We got to a
certain point. We kind of hit a wall and I
was like, well, I gotta in the off season. I
got to focus on football a little more.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good, by the way, how are we coming along on
that autograph of the back of the VHS tape?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It? Did they bring it to you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I have not seen a VHS tape? Okay, well, we're
still working on that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Lee must have left it, you know, he might have
been high off of his own supply of morning time.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Lee was getting right out of there since they were
across the street.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Was Lee supposed to bring it back or was it
male test?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It might have been mailed back. They might be mailed Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
All right, we'll get How many copies do you have, Coop?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
I don't know, probably only like a couple and the
and they're also there are also vhs.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Is Can I have one?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean, yeah, you want?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You want to go on?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
They're all at my mom's house. Okay, I did ask
go get them.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'll ask her. Yeah, I'm sure there's DVDs. I just
back when when I did the movie, that wasn't really
a you know, a thing yet, So the studio sent
me a bunch of VHS's.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So those are originals?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, are you old enough to remember, like I don't know,
vivid things of like working with Jim Carrey and all that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, is he like funny and really like a lot
of comedians are not funny in real life. They're like
kind of like blah blah. How is he? He's absolutely funny.
He's always the same.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Yeah, that's it's he's not really I mean not saying
that he's not really acting, because he's done a lot
of serious roles where he does some serious, heavy acting,
but in the comedic stuff, that's just him.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Uh huh. What about you? Are you the same as
you were on the movie?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Are you a method actor? Cooper?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Do you act the same as you did back then? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You getting there?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Ah, you're gonna do Half Baked Part two? Coop's Revenge?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I would, I would love it.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I would be I would start in it with you
if you want to do that, like listen, I would
sign on so far. I would sign onto that pretty
quickly too, Cooper.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Coop, how old were you when you did the movie?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I was seven?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Okay, dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, so like twenty like closer to eight or real
seven like real seven. So it was twenty twenty seven
years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Because there's a lot of of development from seven to eight.
Like it's a big jump, is there. Yeah, what are
you talking? I'm dealing with it right now. Really, yes, Yeah,
there's a big jump from seven.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
When your kid turns seven, they start to turn into
like a little person, like like a real little person
by the time they hit eight, Like eight, is it
you're doing stuff?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You're going like damn yeah, Like my daughter at eight
right now is I'll be sitting there like, are you
freaking kidding me? Like she's she's smarter than me. Oh god,
I mean, I don't know if that's saying much, but
about me, I'm just saying my son's already there and
he's two and a half. So no, no, he's not.
He's not. I can assure you, no, he's not not. Jonas,
(03:17):
But you know, to give it some time, my guy. Yeah,
that's your first one. You don't have any comparisons. Yeah,
I mean unless you was around Tyrone's kids, you know
what I mean. Then you got old Parson.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That might have been a little different.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, there's some differences there.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
No, they're a little bit bigger than your boy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A little bigger, a little, a little, a little different,
could play different, different background textures, all that stuffes different streets,
rating a different type of rat although old school, old
same hydraulics.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Things popping up and down.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Man, when they pulled up, I was like, damn and
the caddy a top down, bro, All of them is
like all of us six six sixty seven. It's like
five of them and they all got in the same car.
He's had that Cadillac for so long. Like that was like,
but that's when cars were cars. That's when cars were cars.
Like you hit something with that car big, You hit
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something with that car to day and you're turning that
into a can. Yeah, like literally smash can. Yeah, you
go through anything with them old caddies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Man, Yeah, those are boats boats on.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
We have six foot seven kids, three of them in
the back seat. Y'all pulling off comfortably. You gotta pull
the top down.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Sounded like Americane.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They was reclined in that back seat. Caddy a cat
used to be homeless in their caddies. No, they're not them.
Caddies is bigger than some of these park studio apartments.
In the back seat that's why so many of y'all
born from a caddy.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Damn you too, Coop. We got confimation. Well listen, I
was kind of spicy for three of us. Well, I
mean something got a little spicy in the NFL. Yeah,
like yeah, all of a sudden, just out of the blue,
rules fall off just middle of the week a Wednesday,
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getting ready for Weekgate in the NFL, kicking off later
on tonight. We'll have more on that coming up later
on between the Bucks and the Bills. And next thing,
you know, everybody's favorite quote unquote system quarterback Brock Party
ends up in concussion protocol a couple of days after
a game against the Minnesota Viking. So here was this
head coach Kyle Shanahan talking with the media about the situation.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Started getting symptoms on the plane. So we finally found
that out when we landed. We were all pretty asleep.
But then he got all checked up today and I
saw yesterday and I was in the protocol.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
How does he have enough time to clear a protocol
in order to be available for the game of Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh yeah, he does have enough time. It's got to
go through the process.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You watched the film where do you think he heard
himself quarterback Sneaks.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Possibly, We don't know for sure because he didn't start
getting into the plane, so I don't know exactly, but
i'd probably guess tell at all.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
I guess you're a coach on sideline to relaying and
all the other sense anything like that. I know that
you have an independent neurologist's supposed to be looking for
that fight as a coach to you.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No, I mean cause I mean I don't get to
talk to him when I'm calling plays in you know,
but he on the sidelines a couple of those series,
I mean, nothing with Grease hearing it, and I know
after the game he talked to you guys and Cory.
So it's kind of a surprise when I woke up on.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The plane on one of those that was Kyle Shannan
talking about the Brock Party situation. On one of those
quarterback Sneaks. There's a video going around where I think
it's Hicks of the Vikings who just cracked him to
where it was helmet to helmet, and some people have
speculated maybe that was where the blow took place. But
I mean, he didn't like nothing popped up like there
(06:45):
was no, And doesn't this kind of signal that when
people are talking about Tua and all these other concussions,
it's like, man, not everything is equal. Like some of
this stuff maybe just pops up later on, and it
doesn't mean that the team is being reckless or the
coach is being reckless. It's just people showed symptoms at
different times.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, concussions are a really interesting, unique thing.
Everyone experiences them in different ways. I saw the hit
you're talking about. It's one of the hits when you're
talking about the whole push push, brotherly shove, that play
that's gonna happen at some point too.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And that's why it kind of gives me a.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Little bit of a concern because with a lot of
those sneaks, the way we're doing him now, that's really
the only recourse a defender has. But in this case
for Purdy, I think the hard thing is we have
seen a handful of players be able to pass protocol
in the same week and still get out there and play,
but this kind of felt like it was late in
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the week in the process, which would make it difficult
for them to be able to for to have him
get cleared in time.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
But it's not saying you can't.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
It just it seems like it be a little bit
more of a difficult process to go that route either way.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
If you look at.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
The stats too, after he sustained that hit, that's when
the two picks came into play. That's what his his
play really wet downhill in the game was after that
particular quarterback stick where he took the shot from Hicks.
So maybe that lends to explain a little bit more.
I think there's a been other quarterbacks who've sustained head
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stayed in and you've kind of seen that sort of
play before, but it's it's different for everyone. And that's
the crazy thing about concussions, and it's how players and
teams and everyone has.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
To deal with it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, I'm glad you offered that reasoning because I was
really wondering, did the did the milk go bad? Did
the did the whale run dry? I'm just you know,
you watch the way he was playings, like, man, is
is it like going bad right in front of our eyes?
I mean, maybe it's the concussions. I mean, the concussion.
Maybe that's what it is. I don't know, but just
(08:47):
watching it, it was like, did we watch a shift
you know that sometimes recall him when we were talking
about who was rush playing for the Cowboys, is like, oh,
he gets in there right after that goes out. He's
having all kinds of success. You know, you don't generally
get an opportunity when a guy comes in for a
(09:07):
limited amount of time because it's such a small sample
size to be able to see if it's sustainable or not.
You know, that's the biggest thing about when you're playing
playing at the professional level and somewhat even at the
college level. Can you sustain success once people have film
on you, they have book on you, and then they're
coming They know to come after you. Like Brock Purdy
(09:28):
is now a target. He's not just mister irrelevant. He's
like one of the hotter players at the position in
the league right now, whether you think he's system or not.
So I hope that's what it is, because he looked
like his trajectory was higher and is going to go high.
But it also looked like, I mean, was it a
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riddle that was figured out? We were in the course
of that game.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We were talking about it on Tuesday that you know,
the Sharks were in the water. They were waiting for
anything to try and bite down and go with their
well brock Purdy's system quarterback, he got exposed, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. He was playing pretty decent before that,
you know, the week before obviously was a struggle. But
then if you do find out, okay, well he took
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a big hit or maybe a couple of big hits,
makes it more more FeAs it does seem like that's
more of applausible reason as to why maybe he struggled
down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know, it is two games that they lost back
to back, and it's interesting, curious they scored seventeen points
in both games, so they're not even breaking twenty, you know,
with with their offensive production, they hit the same number
two weeks in a row. I mean, I don't know
what core you know, what conclusion to draw from that,
other than say there wasn't very much offense and there
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has been injuries, so I get it. Not just brock Purdy.
You know, you got you got key injuries to the team,
so maybe they're just banged up right now, but it
does I don't know. I mean, if I'm a forty
nine ers fan. My question to you guys would be,
should you be concerned with a two game skit and
now he's in concussion protocol? Maybe he clears, maybe he doesn't.
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Do you have confidence in Donald? And if Party clears
then comes back, do you have confidence that he's going
to be better? That would be the question I'd be asking.
I think, if I'm a Niners fan.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It sucks for brock Party, but I'm fascinated to see
what Sam Donald looks like in this offense, Like, I
really want to see how this plays out with him.
I mean, this is the best he's had to work with.
I mean, even if Deebo Samuel is out, you know,
he's got Christian McCaffrey. Like, we haven't seen Sam Donald
with all the tools that a Brock Party has had
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to work with. And this is somebody that everybody loved
coming out of college. It was a top three pick.
So I'm curious to see what that looks like when
it comes to Sam Donald potentially shooting up this weekend.
And it's a good game against the Cincinnati Bengals, so
it's going to be a fun one to watch.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Not an easy game.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, tough one, tough one. A tough one, especially considering,
you know, playoff consideration. Some people think was it Albert Breer?
Some had this as a Super Bowl pression.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, you have three lots, the third loss steering you
right in the face, like right down in the face,
like hey bitch, I'm right here, look at me. Wow,
I'm your third loss. Ain't I look at me? Look
at me. I did this to you. So they got
some stage, got something to play for it because the
Bengals are still trying to play their way back up
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into the light too. You got two teams, one is
on a two game skin, and you got a team
that's trying to climb back off of bye week, off
of bye week. Yeah, that should be hard.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, So it's gonna be uh fun to see how
that one plays out here, gut feeling, Who do you
guys got in that game? I mean, if you had to,
if you had to right now, I'll.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Take the Bengals. I mean I picked this game back
on those Bengals. The points at five and a half.
What's the line of out two and a half.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Three and a half, three and a half, yeah, plus
three and a half.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think I'm still gonna take the Bengals until that
line gets below three.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I think I think I'd still take the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
See, that's smart shopping, that's just smart shopping. I'm telling me,
man Is, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Let I'm gonna just let you have his prediction. I'm
gonna just wait until we do our over unders and stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
You're not ready to spread them.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm not ready to spread them yet. Nope, I'm not
going to be that easy. At three fifteen six fifteen
year takes sense all this, I want to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Who knows, We'll see how it turns.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This is much easier than you keep it closed. Does this? Yeah?
Closed up?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I'm quick. Doesn't take a lot from me. Hey, nope,
I'll spread them at any point. I mean, you know,
we'll see how this turns out at the end of
the week.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
So we've got a Deshaun Watson update if anybody's interested.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean, did you need an update or did you already.
Were you looking for confirmation?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well, who knows, man, it's what is the update as
the world turns? Well, I mean, don't listen.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Let's be careful on how we you know, present this
as well. You don't want to say anything the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What could happen.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
The goons come out for you, start telling you wait
till I see you in person, stuff like that. So
just make sure it's positive whatever it is, keep it
above board with.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
With this way, how would that play out? Like he
approaches somebody on the set of Big Neon Kickoff, next
thing you know, Dave Coelo puts him in a dars choke.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Well, there's security on side.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
There's there's some big I know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Interesting thing is like how do you say, like wait
till I see it? But then you're like, yeah, I
saw you, Like well wait a second.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I just saw you just so I don't know, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It was a little bit interesting too, is like you know, offically,
doctor Chow, other doctors want to chime in now even
without examining uh Deshaun, they would like to give their
medical opinion on that.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I've never understood.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I understand like trying to peel back the layers of
you know, want to provide medical information about players. But
I also feel like it's a risky proposition. Like as
a doctor, I think most doctors would say, outside of providing,
you know, the typical like, hey, this is what is
being reported as the injury.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
This is the issue.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You gotta be careful because you don't have hands on
with that particular patient. You have no idea the specifics
to the injury outside of what's being reported. You're not
a part of any sort of imaging and all that.
So I do find it interesting that, like people made
a business out of it. Yet if we're being real
with it, no one in their right mind would ever
listen to a doctor that hasn't seen them personally.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
So I do find it interesting or.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Analystic that, you know what I mean, Like it's just
people giving opinions and my alt is and my here's
my opinion. He don't want to play, they don't want
to play.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You will, yeah, like and that and look good. There
was also remember when Gino Smith suffered the ankle sprain.
I think it was on Monday Night fight. I think
it was against the Giants, and there were some people
on some you know, medical experts who saw the injury
and said, oh, yeah, that's a high ankle sprain. He
won't be back. He came back that same game, Like
he missed a little bit of time, but he came
back and they ended up winning the game. So I
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don't know how you from, you know, the couch can
diagnose what's going on with somebody's body. But Kevin Stefanski,
the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, he did talk
with the media yesterday. He gave the announcement on the
decision at quarterback for the Cleveland Browns and just what
his conversations have been like with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 9 (16:25):
Pj's going to start this week. Deshaun's going to focus
on his rehab. I just feel like with what happened
in the game landing on his shoulder, there's residual swelling
that's affecting his throne. I think it's the best thing
for him to rest this week and focus on the rehab.
And you know, as I've told you guys, I will
always make what I think are the best decisions for
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our football team for Deshaun, and I feel like this
is the best decision for this week. I talked to
DeShawn every day. Like I mentioned to you guys, it's
he wants to play very badly. He also knows that
that rehab is the decision this week, and but he's
gonna do everything he can to support his teammates. You know,
he's a captain of the team. He provides great leadership.
(17:10):
So he wants very badly to play, but just this
week makes sense to focus on the rehab.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
All right, all right, so it doesn't sound bad, Okay,
So he was cleared to play and he didn't play
a couple of weeks ago, then there was a bye,
then he didn't play again after the bye. Then he
played but was pulled from the game out of caution.
They did an MRI. His shoulder was not damaged in playing,
(17:40):
yet he's still not playing. He doesn't want to play
like that, Like that's that's the way I look at this.
They're like, how many times can you be medically cleared
and not play without somebody just saying the obvious like
you did, LeVar. He doesn't want to play, like you.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Know, I just I feel like he's gotten comfortable with
not completing seasons, and that's a thing. I mean, I'm
just being honest with you when you have again, I
said this on on on one of my podcast entries,
I've never been well, you know, I didn't seedlessly plug
like you, but I may mention of the fact that,
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like you work your entire life like he's, he has
a very very humble beginning. I mean so much so
to the point of, if you know his story, at
one point he was homeless. You know, he's one of
the families that work done, you know, byt them home
a home. If you're working your entire life to be
able to create some just life stability, you know, it's
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not even it's like, yeah, you want to get a job.
You're not going to be financially all the way stable.
You're going to live check to check, But you know what,
you have stability in your life. Let alone if you
were card in life and you end up making it
to a situation where you're guaranteed the amount of money
that he has and by the way, the amount of
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money that he had before he even got to that
contract was a large contract. So I can only imagine
the amount of experiences and the things that he's he's
done during the times where he's not playing, and that's
a very like when I tell you it's a very
real thing. That's a very real thing. When you have
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the type of financial resources at that level, the things
that you do, the access, you have two different things,
and it almost it almost takes away that drive or
that hunger. And people say, oh, no, no, that's not
that's overblown. No, no, you're you're a player, and you
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want to know. You can lose the desire to want
to go in to work every day. You can lose
the will to to really really want to compete. You
might in your mind think you want to, but there's
a part of you that's sitting there saying, I don't
feel like getting up and going in today, And you
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know what, why should I? You know, I just you know,
And then that when that happens, injuries hurt more, everything
hurts more, Meetings are longer. I was there, I was
at that point my last year in the league I started.
I was dealing with injuries. I was there, you know,
and you just start to lose your your kind of
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your focus in on it and your your passion for it,
and you then ultimately the love leaves. Do you see
love in Deshaun Watson's face and his actions. When you
see him on the field, it looks like a totally
detached dude, is what it looks like to me.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I mean, I'll say this though, like for people who
have a ton of money, they'll also tell you, like
having money doesn't solve all your problems either, it creates
more amount of stress.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, mo, money more problems what they said.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, Look in this case, the thing that it's hard
to understand is and this is this is where people
I think took issue with what I said. I've never
once questioned Deshaun Watson this toughness. He's played through injuries before.
It's why it's probably more surprising that he's not playing
at this point like he's playing through it toward a
(21:21):
cl So no one's questioning is toughness or is competitiveness,
And it's what makes this whole thing a little more perplexing.
And I understand the injury to the rotator cuff because
I've had a post terol libramterre.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
I've had torn carlage in my.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Ribs, got shot up, got my shoulder shot up, played
through it, been there like had Liz Frank injury, played
through it, finished the game, broke my right index finger,
tried to play through it, try to start the next
week in Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
They literally took me.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Out at half and they say, hey, ball's not coming
off your hand, right, I think you eat surgery.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Like, been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
No one's questioning is toughness or competitiveness. At least, I'm
not questioning his competitiveness. It's more about the timeline of
what they've given out when they said four to six weeks, Well,
the initial injury happened back in what September twenty fourth,
twenty second, Well that was what Thursday because they played
the Titans of the twenty fourth. Who knows at this point, Yeah,
(22:25):
well no, I'm telling you for a fact, Yeah it
was that. No one knows it was actually they played
the Titans on the twenty fourth, I believe.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, I think it's the twenty fourth, you know, I
think it was on the twenty fourth that they played golf.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But the point is is now we are a month
after that, and so I don't know if, like the
rehab clock restarts because he played last week and when
he got knocked down on the interception, they said he
fell on his shoulder.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
It looked like he hit his head.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Honestly, I thought it was more concussion related because he did,
I believe, get.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Checked out for that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It looked like he hit his head and that's all
we're talking about, all right, clear concussions like but now
it's the shoulder like it was if you recall, that's
what Deshaun Watts. Deshaun Watson addressed his shoulder. He didn't
even address the concussion, right, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So my point is, does that restart the clock for
what's going on with his shoulder, because otherwise, like you're
in that window, would he based on all our medical
experts that haven't examined him that want to chime in,
that's say you should be back by now.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
So I don't know, man, It's it's to the point.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Where as again, I think for Browns fans out there,
you're watching a team that sits at four and two.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
They can make a run.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
They can be a team that competes, I think for
an AFC championship if they get I guess at this.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Point, PJ.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Walker playing a little better, right if he starts to
pick things up, takes care of the football, The way
they're running the football, their defense, the way they're playing
like they're gonna have a shot. So I mean, at
this point, I'm kind of just moving on to all right,
like what do we got this week? If I'm a
Browns fan, Browns player.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Who do we got this week? And who do we
have healthy that we're able to you know, put out there.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Just the part that still just doesn't make sense to me.
And you know, he gets clear, they're saying no further damage.
He got another MRI this week, as we laid out.
But you know, Adam Schefter has got you know this,
you know, more clarity on Deshaun's injuries. It told him
he's got, you know, this strain of you know, whatever
the it is, you know, four to six weeks. Okay, Well,
(24:28):
if there's been no other further damage to it, and
that was the injury at the four to six week mark,
why didn't you just put them on IR? Had they
put him on IR, there just wouldn't have been any questions, Like,
there wouldn't have been any Okay, he's on IRI. He's
going to miss this amount of time. It's just the
week by week approach. When you knew it wasn't a
week by week injury. After the fact none of it
adds sense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
There's still supportive I mean hearing the hey coach speak on,
there's still supportive of them.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He has to be, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, he doesn't have to be. He he doesn't have
to be, but he still is an I'm just curious
how long this plays out. Well, I mean you're out
on Sunday, Okay, you've been continuously missing games or coming
out of the game, I mean you only played a quarter.
You didn't even play a quarter.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
If you're let me ask you guys this, because both
you guys are ultra competitive and have played through a lot.
If your coach pulled you aside and said, hey, I
know you're cleared. I know medically you can go out
and play, but I'm making this decision to pull you
out of this game and you're not going to play
this week, you would fight.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Him on that. I would want to understand why. I
would feel like there's an ulterior motive if that were
the case, Like I'm not, I'm not the player that
I think I am. If a coach is unless he
can explain to me the significance of the reason why
you're holding me out, that's that's that's how I would
handle it, Like, cause if you know me as a player,
(25:55):
if you if you coached me as a player, that's
not even something that you're going to You're not even
going to come to me with that. You understand what
I'm saying, Like, you're not going to come like LeVar,
we know you're healthy, we know you're cleared to play,
we know you're practicing, but you know what, like we're
just we're going to hold you out this game, Like
preseason that might be it, but a regular season game.
(26:18):
I mean, why would you even approach someone of Mike
caliber with with something of that buffoonery? It just do
It wouldn't make sense. So I wouldn't know how to
handle it because it's not something that I would be
faced with.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think the other side of this conversation, though, is
it'd be one thing if they were a team that
was struggling, but they're not, like they're they're winning without
them being there, and I think that also lends you
to think, well, maybe they can be more patient with it,
Like maybe Kevin Stefanski would be like, hey, dude, we
need to we needed to go in there because we
don't right now, we're not winning. If we want to
(26:54):
have a shot, we've we've got to we've got to
have you in there. We've got to have a shot
of Ubili's playing. Eve though you're one hundred percent, whatever
percentage you are is better than the alternative.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
But that's not the position. They're winning even without them.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So maybe they feel like they can be more patient,
you know, with allowing him to get back to one
hundred percent and when he feels like he's a hundred
percent to get back out there and play.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
There's also that side.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Possible, and that's very possible. I just think if you're
in a if we're in a conversation where the debate
is talking to Deshaun Watson and seeing if he wants
to go, or pleading with him or reasoning with him
about going, you're already in the wrong place. Like I've
(27:40):
heard of holding guys back in spite of themselves, I've
never really outside of the guys who have checked out
where a coach or they're And here's another thing you
got to think about. I mean, maybe I'm negligent on
all of the information, but I haven't seen any other
players come out and have anything to say about it.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
And to me.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
When a guy is under fire, I.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Mean, who needs players when you got throwing coaches?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
You know what I mean? Well, when that's I guess
that's true. You know, no, that's not true at all.
When your players say, you know what, like Deshaun needs
this time, or you know, we got Deshaun until it
gets back, or anything like just any type of show
of public support in the media as it applies to
your fellow man, you know that there's a level of
(28:29):
respect there, like you're not really hearing anybody say anything
about them, which it almost feels like they're probably unconcerned,
they're unbothered by the fact that he's not playing. And
I say, I may mention of this last week. The
worst thing that could ever happen, and that is, if
you're still into being someone in your locker room and
on the field with your team, the worst thing you
(28:49):
could ever do is allow your teammates to lose respect
for who you are and lose the belief in the
fact that we need you with us to be able
to win. If they continue to win without him, when
he comes back, they're still looking at him kind of like, well,
we've been winning without you. It's still going, You're going
to be looked at a little bit differently if the
(29:10):
circumstances aren't on the up and up. Now, if he's
really injured, that's different. But if you get that feeling
that he's detached and he's not a part of us,
and you know he's not part of the program the
way that he's supposed to be, that could be a
difficult challenge. That could be a challenge that Stefanski's going
to have to make sure he's looking at, monitoring and
(29:31):
managing possibly.
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Speaker 2 (30:13):
The man that's in is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
at the MMQB. You can get him on Twitter or
x or whatever they're calling it now at Albert Breer. Albert,
big week for you. How are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Good morning, LeVar, Good morning, Albert Breer, Good morning.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Wow, right out of the gates.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You got a good game.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You got bragging rights for another yet another year.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
You know, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean, spoken like a true Buckeye. But yeah, and
now he's got.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Us build an excuse if if Michigan loses, or excuse me,
to Michigan, he'll just say.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh, I was the sign stealing.
Speaker 12 (30:55):
I was gonna say, Uh, Levary, we really got the
heat taken off for you guys this week. Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I mean, you know, to be honest with you, Albert,
I was at the game. You guys, aren't that good?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You got you got, you got, you got a good
defense for certain, you got one really really amazing uh receiver.
I mean he's special. You know the tight end is
good too. But I'm you know, I wouldn't be surprised
if you guys took it. I wouldn't be surprised if
Wisconsin beat y'all. Man, I'm just being honest. I don't know.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
So you're saying it, well, I mean, trust me, Like
I I watched football like this for ten years when
Jim Tressel was the coach. So this isn't a foreign
This isn't a foreign like I've seen. I've seen teams
win this way before. But uh, you guys got a
great defense too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yet great defense kept us.
Speaker 12 (31:43):
In the game.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, well yeah, we're well, we're working to figure things out.
But you know what, that's hair Nord. There you guys
got the W and and congrats on your win and
still being you know, a top of the board of
rankings and and moving forward undefeated. There you go.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Thank you. See the respect there, LeVar.
Speaker 12 (32:05):
I really appreciate you guys playing a nice clean game too.
It was everything seemed to be above board on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You're being I can hear the sarcasm. What are you
trying to say, right, I can hear the sarcasm.
Speaker 12 (32:17):
I'm just I'm just saying I enjoy a well played
game filled with integrity, right, Like, It's just it was
good to see that.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
On Saturday he's taking a shot at Michigan. He's moved
on to Michigan. Clearly you've already beat Okay.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Well just float out to ask you, Albert, is is
the sign stealing why Michigan has beaten Ohio State the
past two years?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
But I think double digits these are the past two
Oh no.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
No, no, no no. I'm a man of integrity, and
I you know, I look the scoreboards, the scoreboard, so
you don't see what happens this year. But scoreboards, the scoreboard.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Oh I mean fired uf h man bang bang yeah damn.
So when you win, you get to talk, you know, yeah,
close there, No, no, I knew where I was doing.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I went right to this.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
No, no, okay, all right, So Albert, something that's not
all good is brock prety. He's in concussion protocol, which
looks like we might see Sam Darnold in line to
start for the forty nine ers. When did you did
you notice anything or did you talk to people?
Speaker 11 (33:23):
This?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Was this a surprising to you as it was other
people that just popped up on a Wednesday?
Speaker 12 (33:28):
Yeah, definitely caught me off guard. And you know, sometimes
these thinks happened. I don't know, I mean, I this
stuff is so sensitive Jonas, you know, like you know,
like I know, everybody thinks something the sarious might have
happened and everything else, But the reality is, you know,
these things can happen in football games and can go
unnoticeding football games, and there are independent percussion spotters at
(33:50):
these games, and and look like you know, I think,
and you know, we got two of the guys here
who played in the league, like I you know, like
guys are gonna do what they need to do to
stay in games, you know, And I if brought party,
ignored symptoms or didn't report symptoms, or played through something
(34:10):
that maybe he shouldn't have played through, like he certainly
wouldn't be the first person to do that, you know,
especially as a quarterback and a guy who you know,
your team really needs you out there. So I mean,
I again, like it's it's good they caught it when
they did. It's good that they were able to figure
out what he was going through. But until like there's
(34:32):
like proof is someone ignored someone willingly ignored something, like
I don't know, it's a big leap to take to
think that, like you know, like there was anything nefarious
that went on here, I would assume that you know,
in this case, it was just look like you know,
people missed it and maybe brought himself missed it, and
you know it's good that they caught it on the
way home.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
You know, this honestly brings to mind like when you
were young. I remember the first times I think I
was playing sacle football in third grade and I the
coach asked me, are you hurt or are you injured?
And at the at a very young age, he was
trying to like really teach me the difference between the two.
If you're hurt, you're gonna be in pain, but you
can still play. If you're injured, you can't play. And
(35:12):
it kind of brings into that where I figure seeing
that right now kind of across the NFL in some ways.
But it is when you look at this sort of thing,
do you sit there and say to yourself, like, the
NFL should reevaluate how they go about identifying concussions or
handling concussions or injuries for that matter. It seems like
with the injury reports too, and just I don't know
(35:34):
what you want to call the Bejon Robins situation a
couple weeks ago, but how do you think they need
to go about handling basically giving out information, especially for
the betting markets.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
Yeah, obvious, say that, Brady, because we just had actually
had that talk with our third grade football team about
being hurt and being injured. Yeah, I think it's I
think they've already done a ton and I do think
we're making progress, right, Like I think was it strict
three four years ago that Ben Roethlisberger self reported one, right,
(36:04):
and you know, and that was great to see that, right,
like that that a guy would say, you know what,
like I don't feel right, I'm going to say something
to the doctor. The doctor was able to diagnose him
and they were able to pull him out of the game.
Here's the problem. And I think this is the problem
not just with concussions, but with all injuries. And you guys,
and you guys can relate to this. Ben Roethlisberger did
(36:26):
that when he was what fifteen years into the league
and had you know, nine figures in his bank account,
so like he was in a position where he could
afford to do that. If you're talking about a guy,
you know, like a brought party for example, who could
eventually get there, but certainly isn't there now and doesn't
want to open the door for somebody else to come
(36:47):
in and take his job, which is the reality of
almost every guy in the NFL. Is like, if you
come off the field, for eighty percent of the guys
in the NFL, you come off the field and you
risk losing your job for it, Right, how hard is
it to get that guy to report, Oh, my god,
I got my bell rung, or I'm seeing stars, or
you know, my need doesn't feel quick quite right, or
my shoulder feels loose. Like that's the problem, you know,
(37:10):
And that's the fundamental issue is you know, in a
league without guaranteed contracts, you know, and this is kind
of the dichotomy, like you know, with the NFL itself,
it's like they're never going to guarantee all the contracts,
yet they want you to report all the injuries fall.
Like if you're a player in that situation and you know,
like your ability to continue playing the game like rides
(37:32):
on your ability to stay on the field, You're going
to do everything you can to stay on the field.
And what happens to make it really difficult.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
So how does that change in a player's mindset? Albert,
if you have a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
I mean, I think I think it at the very
least if you have if you have a full guaranteed
and it may not even have as much to do
with the contract, but I do think it does to
some degree. Like like, look like if I sign up,
if I come in, if I'm a first round pick
and I sign a fully guaranteed forty year d right,
well and I'm in the second year of my deal, Well,
then I know, like that seems probably not cutting me
(38:07):
after the year, versus like if I'm a seventh round pick,
which is what brock Party is, Like, none of my
money is guaranteed, and so like if I get hurt
and somebody else takes my job, then they can just
cut me at the end of the year and it's
not a problem. I think it all ties to job security,
you know what I mean. And maybe it's not the
money so much as it is the job security, you know.
But you know, like job security in the NFL is
(38:29):
zero for most players, you know, and guys who come
in as first round picks. For the two of you
guys did like you have a little bit more, But
you know, I think every and you guys can speak
this as much better than I can. Like, there's just
like for almost everybody in the NFL, your job security
is day to day, and there's somebody behind you in
(38:50):
most cases is a really good player and is ready
to take your job. And then brock Party's case, the
guy behind him was a third pick in the draft
five years ago. Now he has played great, but he
still got talent, you know, So you know, you sort
of understand the psychology of this. And I don't know
that like guarantee contracts that fits it, you know, across
the board probably wouldn't, But I do think like the
(39:13):
fact that contracts aren't guaranteed do affect the way that
certain players approach these situations and affect the culture of
players playing hurt in the league.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I thought that was a great explanation. Ab And you
used the word and afarious earlier on in another response
taking what your explanation was, would guarantee versus not guaranteed nefarious?
I mean, how do you relate that to what's going
on in Cleveland? If at all?
Speaker 12 (39:39):
Yeah, I think it's it's a weird situation, definitely. I Mean,
I look, I go on what I know and what
I know is the coaches and players that I've talked
to there still have deshaunks back on this. And you know,
I talked to TJ. Walker after a game a couple
of weeks ago and to Deshaun had helped them get
ready for the game, and a couple of his coaches attitude,
(40:00):
and he's done a lot, Like he's done a lot
behind the scenes, so he's still I just think if
like if he was quitting on the team, like you
would get that vibe, and I don't get that vibe.
But look like I'm I see everything that everybody else
sees too, you know what I mean, which is like
this was seen as something that was like a day
to day or a week to week type of injury,
(40:22):
and now we're at five or six weeks and we
seem to be going backwards where it was. We're taking
it right up until the game and then he can't play. Well,
we're actually starting him in the game and then calling
him to now like he's being ruled out on Wednesday.
So like that definitely makes it look like it's going backwards.
And then you have the pr aspect of this, you know,
which is the injury information got out this week and
(40:44):
why is that? Well, I mean, trust me, like this
is my line of work, Like I know the way
this works. Like that doesn't get out for no reason,
and it means somebody was feeling the heat, whether it's
somebody Deshawn's gamp for somebody with the Browns. So this
has definitely gotten to the point where it's where it's
a little weird. And again, like I don't have I
don't have any evidence that like you know, the team
is upset with him, or that his teammates are upset
(41:06):
with him, or that he's put on the team. But
it's definitely in a very very very strange place.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Albert Brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB Albert, The trade deadline is
coming up on Tuesday, the thirty first, Happy Halloween. Who's
going to get something? Who's on the move? What are
you hearing?
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (41:24):
So I think Minnesota is a team to watch now.
The interesting thing is, like three of the teams that
would have put in this category one over the weekend, Minnesota, Denver,
New England that would be sellers. Minnesota would be a
team to watch though, and so you know, I think
Danil Hunter is the one that everybody's got their eye on,
maybe for a day two pick he goes somewhere. He's
in the contract year. You know, they'll get calls on
(41:45):
kJ Osborne. If Harrison Smith wanted to go somewhere, I
think they could find a home for him. I don't
know that he will. He took a pay cut to
stay there, Carolina. You know they'll get calls on Brian Burns.
You know, they've turned down massive offers for Brian Burns
over the last year, so they haven't had the appetite
to move him. But he is in the contract year,
(42:07):
you know. And then I think Denver is interesting because
Denver's gonna listen on everybody and it's not gonna be
fire sale. But Jerry, Judy Courtland, Sutton, Garrett Bowles, Josie Jewel,
Justin Simmons and I And they've gotten calls on passing
Stan too. Now, Sir Can, I think would be a
whole harder to get. But if somebody comes with the
Jay Jalen Ramsey package where they listen, you know, they
(42:30):
need picks, and they're going to be looking for picks
over the next week and then New England. You know
they've got a number of young players Josh Hugh, Jay,
Mike Nwanu, you know, Kyle Dugger that are up after
this year that they haven't been able to re sign.
So they're going to listen on people too, So you know,
I think you're gonna have a healthy market. And then
you know the other one will be Washington and I
(42:51):
missed them there, but the two defensive ends in Washington
bear Watching Montees what and Chase Young, especially if they
lose on Sunday. The Commanders I think will listen on
both of those guys. I don't think they'll trade both
of them, by the thing, but they're certainly open to
the idea of trading one or the other. And if
I had a guess right now, I would say maybe
more amenable to moving Chase Young than Dean Montese with.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Wow, it can be on his way out.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
So hell, you're telling me, Albert, even if Minnesota wins
this week, they'll still be shopping players.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
I mean, they'd be two and on in the division.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
They'd be climbing back into the playoff hunt, and they're
just going to deal all these players and say, hey, Kirk,
keep playing and got a high level.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
You got to you got to go on this thing.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
I mean, you got to consider where they are though, Brady,
I mean, they've been very disciplined. The Giants are the
same way. The record isn't as good, but the Giants
and the Vikings to the same approach, which was like
last year they were going to win with the players
they inherited and then they were going to go to
their cap reset in year two. And so like the
Vikings I think are carrying something like sixty million dollars
dead money this year. They've reseid a bunch of things.
(43:57):
They obviously jettison some some veteran players know Dalvin Cook
and Adam Feeln and Rick Kendricks. They're really this is
really a reset year for them. And so like there's
two sides of it, right, which is like, if you're
really resetting, you want to build up draft capital and
you don't want to go all in on players who
are going to be gone next year. Daniel Hunter would
(44:18):
fit in that category as a guy who's going to
be a free agent next year. But on the other side, yeah,
you do want to give the guys who are are
in house now a chance to compete, so they're balancing
those two things. Like I think I would say this, Brady.
I think like they're more cognizant of their ability to
get back in the race now than they were a
week or two ago. But they're still going to listen
(44:40):
on players if they don't think are going to be
there in a year or two.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
He is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB.
You can get him on Twitter at Albert Breer and
I don't even need to ask him. I think he
feels like this weekend, at the end of the game,
Ohio State will be leading Wisconsin by more than fourteen
and a half points.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
That's maybe cam Brandle what though. Camp Randle is a
tough place to play and uh and Luke Fickle knows
Ohio State pretty well, so it could be a little
bit more of a dog fight than people think.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So there it is the great Albert Breer. Albert, we
appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 12 (45:14):
Thanks guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
But it is two pros and a cup of joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, Sam what, I would.
Speaker 10 (45:21):
Just love it, I say love I did just win there,
So you know Ohio station going there and win by forty, right,
Iowa won by nine.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
In my ear, I would just won there, couldn't It
had been a minute.
Speaker 12 (45:36):
I couldn't even I.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Couldn't even hear Albert's side off this episode. No, it's fine.
I'm just you know they won big win for Iowa. Yeah,
went up to Floyd.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
You know what. Q's fingers speed is a freaking a
blip almost.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
I had my mic on you, That's all.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I was like, I wonder if I think I think
I wasn't typing on speed of your fingers and the
typing and the how it hit, but it overwhelmed the mute.
It was quicker than the mute. I'm telling You're like,
you're like Gordon on the keys.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
Well, I think that was possible.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I neither.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Probably you probably pick up piano quick if you try.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
You really could your your finger.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
That actually had the piano teacher after five lessons told
me he asked if I wanted to learn the guitar
because I was not picking up on very well.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I'll tell that piano teacher to kiss your ass, all right,
you don't deserve that.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
He was actually a nice gentleman. We got to a
certain point. We kind of hit a wall and I
was like, well, I gotta in the off season. I
got to focus on football a little more.
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