November 6, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Cowboys fall short against the Eagles. Officiating is under a microscope. CJ Stroud’s final drive and record breaking day solidifies his case for Offensive Rookie of the Year while Josh Dobbs amazing step-up for the Vikes should earn him Comeback Player of the Year. And the Raiders impress in Antonio Pierce’s debut but does beating the Giants matter?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with Lamar Arings and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on
Box Floors Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
That was a fun day in the after fun day,
and then that it was a great day.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
You know, it was a great day. That it was
followed up by an awful interest song that Jonni has.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But that's all right though, Listen, I mean, are we changed, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's get new ones. Let's see if you
can do worse.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Listen, I provide banger after banger here and I don't
I don't do the typical, just go to yeah, and
that's the point. Yeah, get you fired up here on
a Monday morning. So, by the way, Coop, did you
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sign yes? Do you sign that VHS of liar?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Liar? No?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh, big time?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Are you holding out?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He's a big time there.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I don't have a sharpie located a blue shark. That's
what all the big timers say, though, all right, I
have no sharpie.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I don't have a sharpie, all.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Right, So we will get that done and send out
to the homage bar in Columbus here.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, I don't know, man, you big timing right now,
get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I've seen.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I've seen that VHS like a long time ago. I'm
just saying, Coop, don't don't. Don't be getting brand new dot.
Don't be like your dad in the movie Bro. Don't
be lying man, don't keep it real. Yeah, come on,
Graduate takes care of us, Coop, come on, Yeah, we'll
get it done. We'll get that man a sharpie.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Send that back out to Columbus, Ohio. But speaking to
te O, you know, he did play for the Cowboys
and the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
He did play for both his.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Career and and well listen, ended.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Up where they ended up going when he was with
the Eagles is where they're going this year too. You
are they going back to that same place?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So call it.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
He gonna go to the same place he was that
when he was with Dallas. They gonna go to the
same place.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Now the other Dallas involved, Dallas godd Or may have
a broken forearm. There's been some reports on that, so
he could be out. But Philly gets it done again.
They're eight and one, and I don't know whether to
come away from that going I'm impressed by Philly or
Damn Dallas was just inches away from one of that
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game multiple time.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Why couldn't it be both? It kind of right, Yeah,
I thought it was both.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I just if you're Dallas, you gotta be thinking to yourself,
what the f man? Like, why why is this? It
seems like it's they played a hell of a game.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Man. Yeah it was that.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Final drive though. I mean, I just I was sitting
there watching it with my wife. I'm looking like, going,
this is this is how teams lose games? Like this
is literally how you lose games.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You have a PI.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
You well, first off, it all started where and you know,
I actually I thought that time out they wasted when
they came out on their original drive when Philly came
out out of a stop clock and then had to
call time out because they almost had a delay of
game when they're trying to run the clock out, I
thought that was like the most egregious penalty, Like what
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are you doing? You're kind of out of a stop
clock and you're using a timeout out of that because
you don't have your stuff together instead of saving that
for your defense, and so then they get it. What
a pass interference? I believe there's a was there a
ROUGHI a passer one point in time. Yes, I think
it might have been like a defensive holding time.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I mean it was like penalty after penalty after penalty.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And it's one thing when Dallas and Dak played phenomenal
the entire game, but then you're gonna give it up
with penalties, like that's how you're gonna let them get
back into the game.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And then Dallas starts getting penalties.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
It was just what a It was kind of a
bizarre like sloppy finish for as awesome as that game
was up to that point.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, I liked it. I thought it.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I thought it was a great I mean not those
are the two best teams right now that I would
say are in the NFC. So you not only got
to see who who could do it in the NFC East,
but that's that's two best teams, unless you know the
forty nine ers can find their way back to the light.
But those are the two best teams that squared off,
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so and for them to play the way that they did,
the defenses showed up on both sides of the ball.
The offenses showed up on both sides of the ball.
I found, you know, we finally saw Dak Prescott, you know,
basically have a really really good game in a big game.
You know, I don't feel like they lost that game
because of Dak Prescott. You know, I felt like Philly
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won the game because well Philly. Philly is the type
of team that while they know how to win, they
know how to get it done, whether it be something
that took place on defense, whether they found a way
to make a play happen on offense. I mean, they
had some things that could have gone wrong for them,
and that game could have gone either way at any
point in time, and that's what made it. You know,
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details of it, it would be what the details of
it are. But I mean, just from a fan perspective,
thought it was a dope game.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So you mentioned Dak Prescott. Of course, he's the guy
who continues to get ridiculed after they lose games like this,
even though he played his ass off. Yesterday, here was
the Cowboys quarterback talking about how close they were to
a different result on the road division game.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Great opponent, they are success that they've had in their environment.
As I said, it sucks in the moment, but a
lot of good we can take from this and use
as as we can keep a great NFCS matchup. They
came out with it tonight, but as you just said,
an entry two on one of those three plays and
we could be talking about a different outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So whether it be the fourth down at the goal line,
which was a couple of inches away, him stepping out
of bounds on the two point conversion as he was
scrambling to try and get in, and then even that
play where they had a j Brown go in motion
did Philly and he ran into DeAndre Swift knock the
ball out of his hand. I'm watching that going. You
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gotta be kidding me, Like Micah Parsons was right there,
literally inches away multiple times from that game being a
completely different result.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
I mean, that's what I was saying, that that's how
you like, you give away games or you fumble away
a game. And then you had the secondary was getting
banged up on that final drive by Dallas down the
field right, Brad Perry goes out, Darius Slay was down
for a mint. You got guys like running in off
the sidelines as they're trying to get lined up. I like,
oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this this I mean,
watching it, I felt like a fan boy at that point,
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because it was like, oh, analysis goes out the window
outside of every single time I saw them run.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
In the dB, I'm like, well that's what i'm throwing against.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Like that guy's becovering ceedee lamb, Like, yeah, I don't
know what route he's running, but that's why I'm throwing too.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was really cooking. He was cooking. Yeah, good guy.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
What about hurtz by the way to playing through you
know the knee injuries, you know, with and just he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Do we know what the knee injury is because it
looks like it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It looked like that hurt when it hurt. I'll tell
you that.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, when that bad boy hurt him, it was hurting,
visibly hurting. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but well.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
He's got a I'll put it this way, he's got
a brace on it. So that's the first thing. I mean,
you could tell they're trying to cover it up because
you know, they were in the white pants, so they've
got like a white you know, sleeve and all that
over it. You could tell though it's a brace underneath it.
And then even the way they were kind of taping
it together. But it just speaks to him, his toughness,
his leadership, you know, his ability to kind of play
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through all of that. I'm telling you, I wouldn't be
shocked if it's not a little bit more serious than
anyone realizes, and he's just gonna have to deal with
it until the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That was the same play where they showed if he
didn't have a knee brace on, he probably would have
tore his ACL That was the same game, right, I
don't know if I'm mixing it up because I saw
one game.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, this one, he.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Hit it and you could tell when he was in
the pocket it clearly hurt it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And like collapsed it to the inside.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Right, No, this one, this one was just like someone
ran into it and then as he was coming around
and got sacked by I think it was Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Parsons. Yeah, I don't even think it went down as awkwardly.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It was just more you could tell he was kind
of hobbling on it before he even got sacked.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I might be mixing them up because somebody got hit,
they had a they had a need, they had a
don joy on and and if they didn't have that
Don joy on, I'm thinking that it would have been
the end of his season. Yeah, I'm not sure which
which game it was. There was some thumping taking place yesterday, man,
don joy that last game of the evening.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Too, was was it was? It was a great great.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Only thing you'd be like a little critical about is
when the game was on the line, and I know
Tolbert had made some some big catches down the stretch,
but probably not where I'm going with the football and fourth.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Thousand, Yeah, you gotta go to CD, you know, you
gotta go.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
You gotta go to someone else who I feel like
you you kind of just turn and go all right, like,
and I know they're trying to double CD on that play,
but even if it's contested, like, I'd rather have CD
in that position than than Tolbert. But yeah, that was
also maybe the matchup they wanted at that point.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
But again, it's and they could have called it. They
could have called it. Yeah, yeah, And that's a whole
other conversation.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I was with Troy Vincent all day, I shadowed him
man at the league offices out here, and the one
thing that kept coming up is America's worst enemy is
the referees, Like the only only fans referees have are
the fans of the team that get the call that
goes their way.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's it. Some of you never get it right.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Some of these calls are so bad though, that like bro,
some even these.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Ref jobs are really really it's the inconsistencies, Like I
started taking notes of all of the bad non calls
versus call during during the games. I mean, the one
play where Michael Parsons got like whatever that was called,
I don't know, beer hug, I don't know what it was,
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but and it was a major play of the game too.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It was a major play.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
They held him that they were able to access the
outside he's looking around. There was like several plays where
the one play where the kid he made a big hit.
He hit him in the face, but they were like, nah,
it wasn't targeting or it wasn't a personal foul. But
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then you see another same type of hit take place
in another game and it was a personal foul. It
was just so many inconsistencies on how things were being done.
There was a fumble that took place in one of
the games. It was it was recovery. It didn't even
matter because they had already called the play you know,
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did or whatever it was. It was just it was
a lot of confusing moments in terms of how the games.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Were being confusing for me.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So yeah, well it was confusing. It was confusing watching it.
It was confusing watching it. So and that's gets the
point I'm making.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So one of the things that you can't deny if
you're watching that game between Philly and Dallas is although
Dallas was close, now Philly's got a two game lead
in the division. They're the one seed, and like, it
just feels like we're the same spot here to work.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Schedule though, Man, that's schedule moving forward. I mean, let's
put it this way. Look at the rest of Dallas's
schedule compared to Philly, and if you were to say, well,
which game if they're gonna split, like I think if
they go back to Dallas, Dallas wentz So they split,
You tell me, I mean, who's got the tougher schedule
the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh, it's Philly by far, because I mean Dallas, if
you just looked at the games until they meet again
coming up on December tenth, Dallas has got the Giants
at the Panthers, the Commanders, and then the Sea at home.
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibility that
they're you know, four and oh and that's or five
and oho in that stretch, or four and oh in
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that stretch getting to Philadelphia. So this could be the
next time you see them. And then if you're Philadelphia, yeah,
you've got a banged up quarterback, you've got an injury
to one of your tight ends or to one of
your better players on offense. And then you're at Kansas City.
You've got the Bills, You've got the forty nine ers. Yeah, yeah,
there could be some problems there. So it's feel an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
She's just found ways to win. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Yeah, I'll say this, Dallas in this case didn't have
to win that game. It was an awesome performance that
they easily could have. It didn't work out that way.
They need to win the next one the next time
these two teams play. But between now and then, I
don't know. I mean, all they have to do is
take care of business with what's on their schedule, keep
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playing at a really high level. Because Philly is the
one that I'm more concerned with.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a Murder's row for Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, and with Hurts is in right.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
The way the secondary has been playing, they're giving up
a lot of plays. Man, if you can block them,
you can you can score them.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The secondary is not playing the way it was last year.
And there's some bad penalties down the stretch too. Man.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
The buyer personal faut too and there like that. It
just seemed like it was like play like drive after drive.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There's some just bad penalties.
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Speaker 2 (13:35):
Speaking of animals, how about my Thoroughbread white a Barrio
getting it done at the Breeders. Yeah, big time, baby,
a big win.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I think if you weren't there to look that horse
dead in the eyes and see what that was horse was,
what had inside of it, I don't know if you
would have won that one.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, that's sure. By the way, lead to lab. Did
actually get down to the race and see that happen
in person?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
How was it? It's awesome?
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, snuck up right next to the uh finish line
with all the VIPs?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Great time? How did up there?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I sneak everywhere? Brady?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
How did the other horses do?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Uh? They?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, we picked in any place. I don't know
where Clapton went. Who cares?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They all finished?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Second? I was a little uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Time, Hey Lee, So what were you wearing when you
got upstairs where all the wealthy people and the big
wigs were.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
I was wearing the same thing I'm wearing pretty much
right now, which is why, like what amount of cargo
shorts and uh short sleeve button up?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I'm sure that was the dress code there, right man.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Nobody cared.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I was able to walk everywhere. I'm a man of
the people.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Hey, at least I'm big Lebowski.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Hey, at least I'm housebroken.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Hey man, No, not on the rug man, man.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Yeah, I took Todd, but uh, I had better access
than he had, so I was able to kind of
like rest.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey, what did I tell you though about San Anita?
That that place is magic If you can get out
to a horse racing facility anywhere nearby, and I'm talking
one of these off track betting sites, I'm talking like
an actual horse track if you can get out there.
It is such a good time. I don't know why
people don't go more. I don't know why I don't
go more.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Why don't you go more shuns.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's a bit of a hike, but you know, it's
it's a good time to be had. So congrats Lee
Lee got to hang out and hang out with the
wealthy people upstairs.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And the big Lee balls.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, yep, made some money, lost some money.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
My horse was running second in the race. Yeah, would
you have a rape a Knight or something? Sadi Crown,
Saudi Crown, I had Arabian Night, Saudi Crown almost won.
I was almost there. Yeah, I was almost there. Hey,
there'll be others, you know, we'll.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Have Arabian Night was in the lead at one point.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And next next next year to del Mar the Breeders Cup,
which is tremendous.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, we're there right like we're going gotta be.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
They said at the track that they definitely why y'all
sniff was are we doing? I was wondering, was that.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Not like that? Come on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, we didn't piss enough people off to get kicked
out of next year's race, so we'll probably be better.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
They were to go, Hey, Jonas, and well probably.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Would have been hard to mess that one up though,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
No one knew who's affiliated with HM.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did you have your credential on, Lee?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Oh they did?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now yeah, god, all right, well that's fine. Of course
he kept his credential long Why not?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's Lee.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
I should have taken everybode's credentials.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And wait, now that I think about it, Lee, why
didn't you come to Kentucky last year?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I had a funeral last year.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh yeah, that's right, Sorry to bring that up.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Sorry, we're just trying to make it to the show.
That day we almost missed the open.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah was that on that show?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You had to lead us off that show?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Actually what happened was illegally parked for some reason. They
were like really concerned about where I was parking at
five thirty a m.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And then we had a.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Year that this year, nobody's even here.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's a Breeders Cup tradition affair. They were like, slow down,
slow down, flown. I'm like, I'm going five miles per hour, sir,
I had a horse. All right, all right, so can
we talk about yes and listen, you can pick a
card any car because both games were going down to
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the wire at the same time, whether it's the Vikings
over the Atlanta Falcons, great game and the great story
that is Josh Dobbs or the Texans Bucks which turned
out to be the game of the day, maybe the
game of the year, and CJ. Stroud, who was on fire.
Baker Mayfield played well, but c J. Stroud stole the
show there. He's been fantastic.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
He's the offensive rookie. It's over inside.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Well, what's the odds because if there's if there's any
way it's plus odds, which it can't be after yesterday,
But even if it's minus like one twenty, go lay
a bunch of money on it. Yeah, there's no way
anyone's gonna beat c J.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Stroud minus five hundred five to one.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I still I still would probably lay that bet. Yeah,
I would. I would load up on that bet. And obviously,
again it stinks because after yesterday it's over and it
looks but like there's there's no one really in cop
tition with him. Because even if for example, B. John
Robinson hasn't been used quite as much. Jamior Gibbs has
been great the past couple of weeks. But you know,
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is Detroit can continue to use in that way even then,
you know, I just I know there could be a
playoff team in Detroit. Maybe that gives him an edge
or you know, over Houston, depending on what they look like.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But he's not a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The runner us is right now Pouka Nakua at plus
six fifty. He's got no which.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, there's no shot. Like I would lay everything on CJ.
If even if he wasn't able to play like the
rest of the season, I think he still would win it. Wow,
with that performance what he did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
He's great, man, he was great.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
It's a rookie record four hundred and seventy yards and
five touchdowns. And then the way he did it too
in the end where he had to in order to
bring his team back.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, if we're being honest, he's been better than
Trevor Lawrence has been this year. I think he's the
best quarterback in that division this year.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Well, and I think that's where the conversation of one
and two this year if you look at Bryce Young
and like I was someone that I thought Bright would
would be better or or would be that you know, the.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Number one quarterback in this class. I'd Stroud as too.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But the things that Stroud excelled at at Ohio State,
his accuracy is downfield passing in particular. Both those translates
so well in the NFL, and it's displaying.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Itself with the way he's been able to play and
connect with Tank.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Tell but Bryce Young probably had the worst game of
his career this past week, and.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Meanwhile c J.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Stroud setting an offensive rookie record, Like that's the tough
because those two are always going to be going to
be compared, and on a day like yesterday for Stroud
it was unfortunately the worst day I think Young probably
will have at least this year as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Tell you what, Baker Mayfield was cooking too, Yep, And
it was it was a nice duel, it you know,
it was exciting to watch watch them compete. But CJ.
Stroud is he's really good man, he's as he's as
good as APPI you know, it's I don't know Bryce
yet and Bryce Young, I don't you know, can he
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do it? I mean it's it's I think the verdict
that's still not in on that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But can I say this, c J.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Stroud might be the best NFL quarterback in Ohio state history.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, if you think about it, like what.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
If it's early on, but he's on a track to
be the best they've ever had.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, so best Ohio State quarterback. Yeah, I
don't know who even would be in the conversation next time. Well,
I mean personally I would say Mike tom Zacht. But again,
you know, now we're just splitting their success in the league.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I mean the first comes to mind, but that's just me.
I know, you're not from the Midwest. You don't really know.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
About state a personal shots here this early in the morning.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You're not from You're not from the Midwest. You kind
of grew up in the t O and.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Damn uh. But CJ. Stroud has been fantastic. In fact,
would you how many quarterbacks would you say, just in
the NFL period have had a better year than c J. Stroud,
Like if you had, if you had to look at it, because.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I mean, if you're making a statistical argument, it's it's
it's gonna be tough because he's played really well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's got one interception on the year. So if we
want to do the box score game there's that he's
exceeded I think all expectations for the Houston Texans and
what they've done there and the fact that you know
he's doing what he's done. I also think, you know,
Demiko Ryan's coach of the year. That feels like that's
that's where that's headed. Oh yeah, because I don't I
don't know that anybody thought Houston was going to be
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this that there. Clearly, you know, they were in a
rebuild mode and they were going to go in another direction.
But they've rebounded nicely, and they've got the offensive rookie
of the year, they've got the coach of the year,
and they're in a division where who the hell knows
what's gonna happen with Tennessee and then you get to
see this thing play out with Jacksonville. Moving forward, it
just feels like Houston's in a really great spot moving forward,
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and just the way.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're not.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
I bet their defense is playing kind of decently. I mean,
maybe gave up too many points yesterday, but I thought
it was in a head to head game where a
team could have went four and four or become three
and five, you know, seemingly in the South race to
two team race seemingly between Tampa and New Orleans. I
(23:31):
just think that the Texans showed the ability to be
resilient and to be competitive, and it's something, it is
something to build on. At eight games in, is this
still considered to be the halfway mark? Or is nine
games now the halfway mark of the season? Do we
say nine? But to be right where they are right
now at five hundred, I mean you'd have to assume
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that they're in a favorable position.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I think technically you have to say at halftime of
the team's eighth.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Game, time the eighth game, Okay, yeah, all right, well
there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's fair, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Right, or or half time makes halftime of their ninth
game at the but halftime.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Of the next game, yeah yeah, yeah. How long before
they just make it an even eighteen and we just
get to that point here.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Over under two and a half years.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'll take the under.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah I would too.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, it seems like that's where that's gonna go. And
then they'll just add and well, we'll give you another playoff.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
They've got Roger's extension done right, yep, so that's in place.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Now he just works on Hey.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
How can I how can I make these honors more money.
I'll just add another game. Yeah, the players are gonna
do anything about it. They're not going to strike or anything.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So you mentioned Josh Dobbs and just the phenomenal story
that is Josh Dobbs eight to one to be comeback
Player of the Year. That's probably where that should that
should be headed. But you know there's the Demor Hamlin
stuff and everything else to go along with that. Josh
Dobbs spoke yesterday because he was expecting, all right, I'm
I'm going to be the backup quarterback. I just got
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to Minnesota. It's been kind of a wild year. You know,
I'm not expecting I'm going to be out there and
actually get any burn time, as Brady Quinn would call it.
And the next thing you know, Jaron Hall goes down
early and in comes Josh Dobbs to save the day
for the Minnesota Vikings. They do it on the road
against the Atlanta Falcons. They get the win. They're now
four and oh since the injury to Justin Jefferson. Are
(25:25):
the Minnesota Vikings. And here was the brand new Vikings quarterback,
Josh Dobbs, just talking about what the day was like, like.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
The communication was awesome obviously given the circumstance not having
any reps with the guys out there, but the way
they're able to respond communicate to me of how I
can be better. I was able to communicate to them
what I was seeing and from there, man, we were
just able to go out and play good team football.
And so that's what takes every Sunday to a piece
together wins in the NFL, and we keep doing that,
(25:52):
man hood a shot will be all right.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So pretty impressive performance by him. How difficult was that
in the spot Brady for him to be able to
pull that off yesterday game?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, people just don't get it how hard it is
to do what Josh Dobbs is doing. And I'll actually
go as far as saying I think he's making it
hard on all other quarterbacks because of how well he's
been able to assimilate into the Cardinals, lead them, make
them competitive, win them a football game, and now with
the Minnesota Vikings, it's ridiculous what he's done this year.
(26:27):
I mean, I would put up Hall of famers anyone
you want to talk about in the history of the
NFL to do what he's done and try to find
a way of getting wins and playing as well as
he did. I mean, he won that game for them.
It's not like, you know, they're winning and he's kind
of managing it. He was making plays to win that
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game yesterday for them. He was making plays to keep
Arizona competitive in those games and score points like. I mean,
he was playing even well for Arizona. I know the
last few weeks he was there. It wasn't playing his best,
but he was keeping them competitive. And so I just
I'm so wowed by by what he's been able to do.
(27:10):
Because every offense is like speaking a different language, and
some languages are closer in nature to others, right, people
who speak Spanish and Portuguese, there's there's some crossover there.
There's a little more similarities than you know, people who
are gonna speak you know, Mandarin versus.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Spanish or something like that.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Right, But that's the like the fairest comparison you can make,
is you're speaking a different language. Like you heard him
talking about communication out there with his teammates. There's the
communications of play calls, and there's the communication of just
working with the other guys, of making sure However, they
talk about, you know, changing the protection, changing who the
we would call it the mic identification, right, And what
(27:48):
all you're doing is identifying who the middle linebacker is
because that sets up the pass.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Blocking and run blocking scheme.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But how you go about doing that at the line
of scrimmage in a game is different and varies greatly
between teams. Some teams have the center to it, some
teams have this quarterback to it, some teams have both,
and then some teams go about in different ways with
the calls they have.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Some will literally point to another player and go.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
No, no, Mike five to six, ericton Mike five to six.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And then other teams they'll say ringo lucky.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
They'll they'll kick it out one so it might have
been LeVar, but then they're gonna kick it out to
the linebacker to the right or the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
To the left.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So it's just it's so nuanced, detailed and difficult to
be able to get down when you've got to go
make decisions in two seconds two and a half seconds.
It's so impressive, man, Like, That's why I'm saying, look
that the the DeMar Hamlin story is incredible. It's great
(28:45):
as far as Comeback Player of the Year, what Josh
Dobbs has done is to me what should win the award?
And if Minnesota makes the playoffs, I don't know how
you couldn't If you're the NFL, I don't know how
you could you could stare at that young man straight
in the face and be like, yeah, we're going to
go a different direction here, or how people could vote otherwise.
(29:06):
It is incredible what he's been able to do on
the field this year. That's what the awards should be about.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And also it's not like he was playing against the
worst defense in the league. Like Atlanta's got a pretty
good defense. Like their number is like they're not, you know,
a top two team, but like it's not like they're
just a run through run of the mill. Yeah whatever,
you just you you'll get by them and it'll be
a shootout every week. Like Atlanta is a pretty good defense.
And as he mentioned on the road in that spot,
(29:33):
like it's incredible, man to think that this guy two
weeks before the season was in Cleveland and just to
see the journey that he's been on, like I would like,
like I'm telling you, if Netflix is going to do
that Quarterback documentary. Just follow Josh do Obbs. I would
love to see what that guy's year has been like
because it's one of the more impressive performances we've seen
in a while. So good for Josh Obbs.
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Speaker 2 (30:42):
The Raiders are back, and if you don't believe us,
they were smoking victory cigars in the locker room after
their big win over the Juggernaut, that is, the New
York Giants, who were down a starting quarterback because Daniel
Jones reportedly may have torn his acm on that game yesterday.
So Tommy Laruso or whatever his name is, de Vito
(31:07):
LaRusso came in, did better than he did the previous week,
but nonetheless Aidan O'Connell and the Raiders. In Antonio Pierce's
debut as head coach for the Raiders, get it done
there in laston.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
You think the celebration was like some wicket with which
of the West is the type stuff?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Happy the Josher's gone? I mean, do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Because I mean the way that locker room looked, it's
it almost seemed as though there was a relief, more
of a relief that he was gone more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Jay Glazer had a report on Fox before the Before
channel on Fox foxterday. He had a report yesterday.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Now I started saying it like him, like, I'll be
saying Fox like that because real Fox when I have
to host stuff. Now, I'm like on Fox app and
every time I say it, I start to like be like,
why am I doing that?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah? That is fluddy.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Look, we spend more time together than we do with
our own families, so we're gonna end up saying the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Like I'll technically true, I don't say what I say
away from here.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Man, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Than no worries. Man, It's okay, there's no that's no shots.
I'm just saying I don't talk like y'all.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Fox.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, I don't. You don't say Fox no Radio. You
know what he does I say say, I say lose.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I do that too.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Is that you or is that Sam's sam? O?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I thought that was you.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Lose?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
That is that's me? Isn't it that was you?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah? Three times?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay lose. Yeah, that sounds like me. I don't even
say that on my own. Come on now, I will
say that get lose. Not so much, I say, come on,
come on, I will do that. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah,
I'll do that time.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Jay Glazier did have a little bit more detail on
the falling out of Josh McDaniels with the Raiders. So
this was Glazier yesterday on Fox talking about the decision,
what went into it and how things fell apart Towards the.
Speaker 12 (33:21):
End, there was such a big disconnect with the players
there and Josh McDaniels that players recently going upstairs to
the owner, Mark Davis to tell them what their problems were. However,
the big thing was this last Thursday, there was this
big airing of the grievance meeting and players just unloaded
on Josh McDaniels, from captain to captain, to player to player,
(33:43):
and finally Josh McDaniels actually had Antonio Pierce get up
and speak on behalf of him and the coaches. When
Antonio Pierce got up there, he said, look, guys, we
have to have her own culture. It's got to be
about culture here and we also have to look at it.
And he brought up the old Giants team that beat
the Patriots Josh McDaniel's team in the Super Bowl in
two thousand and seven season. He said, no matter who
(34:03):
we played, we thought we could beat them. We had
a game plan that we could beat them. We had
to believe that, and that's not here. We have to
believe it here at the Raiders. We could beat anybody. Well,
he finishes up that speech. Everybody thinks they're great except
for Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels then goes over to him
and says, don't ever talk about the Patriots like that.
And then you're really so how divided that building got.
That got up to Mark Davis, and I think Mark
(34:23):
Davis looked at it and go, Okay, I'm gonna choose the
guy who believes that we can win every single week,
and that's what his plan is gonna be. And by
the way, this is not just a throwaway for Antonio
Pierce where you know he's just going to coach out
the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He has a shot to keep this job, I hope.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
So, Manjez, the way they played, I mean, grant, I know,
the Giants lost Daniel Jones and.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
That's it was.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
The Giants see their struggle this year. But man like that,
that's he that's I'm telling you. The defense is playing well.
They've got Adams, they got Jacobs, they got to the playmakers.
Adan O'Connell can get Adams the football. He's accurate, he's
a smart kid. You saw him handle the opp operations yesterday.
And the Giants defense actually been all right.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
This year.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
I just I hope they give Antonio Piers a legit shot.
I hope Mark Davis learned from his mistake of not
going with Rich Pasacia and then this time around says,
you know what, I'm not gonna let this one out
the door. If things go the way they went yesterday,
the rest of the season, this team climbs back into the hunt.
You got to give Antonio Piers some serious consideration or
look at him as the guy to potentially get the job.
(35:28):
So look, it's a people person business. You know, we
act like football is all scheme. It's still finding ways
of motivating players to play well for each other and
for you as a coach.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
He's got one win down, He's got the Jets up next.
That'll be a tough game, but it's a winnable game
because they can get it done on the defensive side
of the ball against the Jets offense, so they can
get they can get two wins under their belt. Like
I said, I believe it's it's four to five wins.
(36:01):
Four to five wins for fr Antonio Pierce, I would
assume locks him in for being a serious, serious consideration
or decision to be the head coach moving forward. I
can't see how you take a coach that can go
(36:24):
under the circumstances of what they're under right now and
get a team to turn it around to the effect
of being able to win four to five games if
you're not really really good at leading.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Men, I mean smoking cigars after beating the Giants though
the Giants again, again, I don't think that. I don't
think that it's about beating the Giants. Yes, it was
about the win, but I think it was more so
about how they felt. I mean, if you're listening to
what Jay and Jay Glazer built his career off of
all of the information that you know who gave him,
(36:57):
right the New York Giants. That's why his best friend
is Mike straight hand, Like Jay Glazer has always gotten
a he got his his career really really lifted up
and off the ground by getting information in New York
City and ap was a part of that New York culture.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
So you're you're talking about he's going to have support
from certain people and they're gonna get real accurate, like
Jay's gonna have accurate information on this topic.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Josh Daniel's getting, uh getting frustrated with him bringing up
the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
I know AP Man and I know if he said that,
the a p Ap was looking at him like, we
beat your ass in the super Bowl, and I'll beat
your ass right here right now. Real talk like man,
the man, like put all this other stuff aside, like,
don't ever talk to me about not don't bring up
the Patriots. Well, I was the captain of that team
that beat your team. I'm on your coaching staff. You
(37:51):
want me, you're gonna call me up here to talk,
I'm gonna talk, and I'm gonna tell you what I'm feeling.
Don't don't get all soft and moist when when everything
that that is it doesn't necessarily fit what you would
would like for me to say.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Right Well, yeah, Another thing is like you asked them
to stand up and speak on your behalf.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Once you pass the mic.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Give a ball control, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Like whatever someone's gonna say if you're annoying them is
speaking on your behalf you've co signed on to.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You can't be upset about that. But I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I look at it and think this team has the
chance and has the ability to win a string of games.
Now I know that's that's putting a lot on a
rookie quarterback and Aidan O'Connell and you're expecting a lot.
But I mean, look, they played the Jets. That's a
tough one. They get them at home though, like I
still think, and then, by the way, on the short week,
(38:41):
Jets played to Night.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Then after that it gets tough.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You got to go to Miami, You've got to play
Kansas City, but then you got to buy before Minnesota,
and then you got the Chargers, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, they've got more wins on this.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Schedule, Like if they play the way they're capable of,
the defense keeps playing well, they feed Jacobs, they get
the ball to Adams and Meyer. Like it wasn't even
like that game was perfect and they won in a
dominant fashion. So they've got a shot they really do
of I think winning enough to keep Antonio Pierce in
a position and where he'll he'll be the head.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Coach next season.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Look ahead to that Jets Raiders matchup, which I'm sure
Josh McDaniels will not be watching. That's prime time too,
by the way, right Sunday night, Yeah, Jets minus two
and a half. That's the line we got right now
in that game.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
So all Jets minus two and a half, yeah, God.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Give me the two points in the Raiders right now.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So I think the Raiders is going to be a
different team, like Cinderella man out this bad boy.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
I feel like they're gonna look like they're all gonna
look like Max Crosby's look the entire year mode that
two plays with his hair on fire, motivated.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Every single snap.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
I'm watching him like damn, like he just he's flying around,
like even hitting dudes after the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I'm like, he's bringing bad intentions.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Did you just see the postgame speech that Ap was
giving and like how everybody was like looking at AP's
eyes and then you saw Davante Adams in the background
like looking at him and shaking his head and stuff
like that. Like, bro, that's why that do got the
head coaching job. It was the Giants there. It doesn't
matter they're a vomit bucket. First of all, that's that's
(40:18):
AP's former team for one. So there was a lot
of connect decisions there. That's an outside opinion of the man.
You win in a game in the NFL, you want
to guess.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
And under the circumstances, you would have thought that the
Giants would have been able to take advantage of a.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Rookie hey coach and a rookie quarterback and a rookie.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Quarterback like you would have thought they would have been
able to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I just can't believe about what I'm hearing that you guys.
I mean, we're less than a year removed from dumb
truck Nuts Ryan dave Ball being the guy, and you
guys are selling him out so you can go join
forces with the Raiders, go have a stogy after beating
it tall.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
First off, no one's saw him out.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
But I'll say this, I mean the whole Daniel Jones
extension all that, I never really saw it. I've said
that I don't really I think after the season especially,
I mean, if you fear for him, if he tore
his ACL, you know what that means long term and
with the contract. But I felt like sa Qua was
the player they should have focused on extending. And I
(41:14):
know that's not a popular opinion because he's a running back,
but to me, he's a difference maker. And then you
go back and you look for that quarterback in the draft,
and they.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Just they they thought last year was enough from Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And it felt like in the league where you were
watching like what we saw last night or yesterday with
Dak and Jalen and Josh Allen and and uh, you
know Joe Burrow and all these other you know, Patrick
Mahomes andtoa you look at last year what that offense
is doing, You're like, this is what you want to
invest into.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I just it didn't it didn't make as much sense
to me. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
That was a fun day in the after fun day,
and then that it was a great day.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
You know, it was a great day. That it was
followed up by an awful interest song that Jonni has.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But that's all right though, Listen, I mean, are we changed, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's get new ones. Let's see if you
can do worse.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Listen, I provide banger after banger here and I don't
I don't do the typical, just go to yeah, and
that's the point. Yeah, get you fired up here on
a Monday morning. So, by the way, Coop, did you
(00:51):
sign yes? Do you sign that VHS of liar?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Liar? No?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Oh, big time?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Are you holding out?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He's a big time there.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I don't have a sharpie located a blue shark. That's
what all the big timers say, though, all right, I
have no sharpie.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I don't have a sharpie, all.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Right, So we will get that done and send out
to the homage bar in Columbus here.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, I don't know, man, you big timing right now,
get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I've seen.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
I've seen that VHS like a long time ago. I'm
just saying, Coop, don't don't. Don't be getting brand new dot.
Don't be like your dad in the movie Bro. Don't
be lying man, don't keep it real. Yeah, come on,
Graduate takes care of us, Coop, come on, Yeah, we'll
get it done. We'll get that man a sharpie.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Send that back out to Columbus, Ohio. But speaking to
te O, you know, he did play for the Cowboys
and the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
He did play for both his.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Career and and well listen, ended.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Up where they ended up going when he was with
the Eagles is where they're going this year too. You
are they going back to that same place?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So call it.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
He gonna go to the same place he was that
when he was with Dallas. They gonna go to the
same place.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Now the other Dallas involved, Dallas godd Or may have
a broken forearm. There's been some reports on that, so
he could be out. But Philly gets it done again.
They're eight and one, and I don't know whether to
come away from that going I'm impressed by Philly or
Damn Dallas was just inches away from one of that
(02:28):
game multiple time.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Why couldn't it be both? It kind of right, Yeah,
I thought it was both.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I just if you're Dallas, you gotta be thinking to yourself,
what the f man? Like, why why is this? It
seems like it's they played a hell of a game.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Man. Yeah it was that.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Final drive though. I mean, I just I was sitting
there watching it with my wife. I'm looking like, going,
this is this is how teams lose games? Like this
is literally how you lose games.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You have a PI.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
You well, first off, it all started where and you know,
I actually I thought that time out they wasted when
they came out on their original drive when Philly came
out out of a stop clock and then had to
call time out because they almost had a delay of
game when they're trying to run the clock out, I
thought that was like the most egregious penalty, Like what
(03:14):
are you doing? You're kind of out of a stop
clock and you're using a timeout out of that because
you don't have your stuff together instead of saving that
for your defense, and so then they get it. What
a pass interference? I believe there's a was there a
ROUGHI a passer one point in time. Yes, I think
it might have been like a defensive holding time.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I mean it was like penalty after penalty after penalty.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
And it's one thing when Dallas and Dak played phenomenal
the entire game, but then you're gonna give it up
with penalties, like that's how you're gonna let them get
back into the game.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And then Dallas starts getting penalties.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
It was just what a It was kind of a
bizarre like sloppy finish for as awesome as that game
was up to that point.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, I liked it. I thought it.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I thought it was a great I mean not those
are the two best teams right now that I would
say are in the NFC. So you not only got
to see who who could do it in the NFC East,
but that's that's two best teams, unless you know the
forty nine ers can find their way back to the light.
But those are the two best teams that squared off,
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so and for them to play the way that they did,
the defenses showed up on both sides of the ball.
The offenses showed up on both sides of the ball.
I found, you know, we finally saw Dak Prescott, you know,
basically have a really really good game in a big game.
You know, I don't feel like they lost that game
because of Dak Prescott. You know, I felt like Philly
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won the game because well Philly. Philly is the type
of team that while they know how to win, they
know how to get it done, whether it be something
that took place on defense, whether they found a way
to make a play happen on offense. I mean, they
had some things that could have gone wrong for them,
and that game could have gone either way at any
point in time, and that's what made it. You know,
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details of it, it would be what the details of
it are. But I mean, just from a fan perspective,
thought it was a dope game.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So you mentioned Dak Prescott. Of course, he's the guy
who continues to get ridiculed after they lose games like this,
even though he played his ass off. Yesterday, here was
the Cowboys quarterback talking about how close they were to
a different result on the road division game.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Great opponent, they are success that they've had in their environment.
As I said, it sucks in the moment, but a
lot of good we can take from this and use
as as we can keep a great NFCS matchup. They
came out with it tonight, but as you just said,
an entry two on one of those three plays and
we could be talking about a different outcome.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So whether it be the fourth down at the goal line,
which was a couple of inches away, him stepping out
of bounds on the two point conversion as he was
scrambling to try and get in, and then even that
play where they had a j Brown go in motion
did Philly and he ran into DeAndre Swift knock the
ball out of his hand. I'm watching that going. You
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gotta be kidding me, Like Micah Parsons was right there,
literally inches away multiple times from that game being a
completely different result.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
I mean, that's what I was saying, that that's how
you like, you give away games or you fumble away
a game. And then you had the secondary was getting
banged up on that final drive by Dallas down the
field right, Brad Perry goes out, Darius Slay was down
for a mint. You got guys like running in off
the sidelines as they're trying to get lined up. I like,
oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this this I mean,
watching it, I felt like a fan boy at that point,
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because it was like, oh, analysis goes out the window
outside of every single time I saw them run.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
In the dB, I'm like, well that's what i'm throwing against.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Like that guy's becovering ceedee lamb, Like, yeah, I don't
know what route he's running, but that's why I'm throwing too.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was really cooking. He was cooking. Yeah, good guy.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
What about hurtz by the way to playing through you
know the knee injuries, you know, with and just he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Do we know what the knee injury is because it
looks like it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It looked like that hurt when it hurt. I'll tell
you that.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, when that bad boy hurt him, it was hurting,
visibly hurting. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but well.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
He's got a I'll put it this way, he's got
a brace on it. So that's the first thing. I mean,
you could tell they're trying to cover it up because
you know, they were in the white pants, so they've
got like a white you know, sleeve and all that
over it. You could tell though it's a brace underneath it.
And then even the way they were kind of taping
it together. But it just speaks to him, his toughness,
his leadership, you know, his ability to kind of play
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through all of that. I'm telling you, I wouldn't be
shocked if it's not a little bit more serious than
anyone realizes, and he's just gonna have to deal with
it until the end of the season.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That was the same play where they showed if he
didn't have a knee brace on, he probably would have
tore his ACL That was the same game, right, I
don't know if I'm mixing it up because I saw
one game.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, this one, he.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Hit it and you could tell when he was in
the pocket it clearly hurt it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And like collapsed it to the inside.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Right, No, this one, this one was just like someone
ran into it and then as he was coming around
and got sacked by I think it was Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Parsons. Yeah, I don't even think it went down as awkwardly.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It was just more you could tell he was kind
of hobbling on it before he even got sacked.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I might be mixing them up because somebody got hit,
they had a they had a need, they had a
don joy on and and if they didn't have that
Don joy on, I'm thinking that it would have been
the end of his season. Yeah, I'm not sure which
which game it was. There was some thumping taking place yesterday, man,
don joy that last game of the evening.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Too, was was it was? It was a great great.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Only thing you'd be like a little critical about is
when the game was on the line, and I know
Tolbert had made some some big catches down the stretch,
but probably not where I'm going with the football and fourth.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Thousand, Yeah, you gotta go to CD, you know, you
gotta go.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
You gotta go to someone else who I feel like
you you kind of just turn and go all right, like,
and I know they're trying to double CD on that play,
but even if it's contested, like, I'd rather have CD
in that position than than Tolbert. But yeah, that was
also maybe the matchup they wanted at that point.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
But again, it's and they could have called it. They
could have called it. Yeah, yeah, And that's a whole
other conversation.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I was with Troy Vincent all day, I shadowed him
man at the league offices out here, and the one
thing that kept coming up is America's worst enemy is
the referees, Like the only only fans referees have are
the fans of the team that get the call that
goes their way.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That's it. Some of you never get it right.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Some of these calls are so bad though, that like bro,
some even these.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Ref jobs are really really it's the inconsistencies, Like I
started taking notes of all of the bad non calls
versus call during during the games. I mean, the one
play where Michael Parsons got like whatever that was called,
I don't know, beer hug, I don't know what it was,
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but and it was a major play of the game too.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It was a major play.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
They held him that they were able to access the
outside he's looking around. There was like several plays where
the one play where the kid he made a big hit.
He hit him in the face, but they were like, nah,
it wasn't targeting or it wasn't a personal foul. But
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then you see another same type of hit take place
in another game and it was a personal foul. It
was just so many inconsistencies on how things were being done.
There was a fumble that took place in one of
the games. It was it was recovery. It didn't even
matter because they had already called the play you know,
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did or whatever it was. It was just it was
a lot of confusing moments in terms of how the games.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Were being confusing for me.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
So yeah, well it was confusing. It was confusing watching it.
It was confusing watching it. So and that's gets the
point I'm making.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So one of the things that you can't deny if
you're watching that game between Philly and Dallas is although
Dallas was close, now Philly's got a two game lead
in the division. They're the one seed, and like, it
just feels like we're the same spot here to work.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Schedule though, Man, that's schedule moving forward. I mean, let's
put it this way. Look at the rest of Dallas's
schedule compared to Philly, and if you were to say, well,
which game if they're gonna split, like I think if
they go back to Dallas, Dallas wentz So they split,
You tell me, I mean, who's got the tougher schedule
the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh, it's Philly by far, because I mean Dallas, if
you just looked at the games until they meet again
coming up on December tenth, Dallas has got the Giants
at the Panthers, the Commanders, and then the Sea at home.
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibility that
they're you know, four and oh and that's or five
and oho in that stretch, or four and oh in
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that stretch getting to Philadelphia. So this could be the
next time you see them. And then if you're Philadelphia, yeah,
you've got a banged up quarterback, you've got an injury
to one of your tight ends or to one of
your better players on offense. And then you're at Kansas City.
You've got the Bills, You've got the forty nine ers. Yeah, yeah,
there could be some problems there. So it's feel an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
She's just found ways to win. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Yeah, I'll say this, Dallas in this case didn't have
to win that game. It was an awesome performance that
they easily could have. It didn't work out that way.
They need to win the next one the next time
these two teams play. But between now and then, I
don't know. I mean, all they have to do is
take care of business with what's on their schedule, keep
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playing at a really high level. Because Philly is the
one that I'm more concerned with.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's a Murder's row for Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, and with Hurts is in right.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
The way the secondary has been playing, they're giving up
a lot of plays. Man, if you can block them,
you can you can score them.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The secondary is not playing the way it was last year.
And there's some bad penalties down the stretch too. Man.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
The buyer personal faut too and there like that. It
just seemed like it was like play like drive after drive.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There's some just bad penalties.
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Speaker 2 (13:35):
Speaking of animals, how about my Thoroughbread white a Barrio
getting it done at the Breeders. Yeah, big time, baby,
a big win.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
I think if you weren't there to look that horse
dead in the eyes and see what that was horse was,
what had inside of it, I don't know if you
would have won that one.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, that's sure. By the way, lead to lab. Did
actually get down to the race and see that happen
in person?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
How was it? It's awesome?
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, snuck up right next to the uh finish line
with all the VIPs?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Great time? How did up there?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I sneak everywhere? Brady?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
How did the other horses do?
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Uh? They?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know, we picked in any place. I don't know
where Clapton went. Who cares?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They all finished?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Second? I was a little uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Time, Hey Lee, So what were you wearing when you
got upstairs where all the wealthy people and the big
wigs were.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
I was wearing the same thing I'm wearing pretty much
right now, which is why, like what amount of cargo
shorts and uh short sleeve button up?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I'm sure that was the dress code there, right man.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Nobody cared.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I was able to walk everywhere. I'm a man of
the people.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Hey, at least I'm big Lebowski.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Hey, at least I'm housebroken.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Hey man, No, not on the rug man, man.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Yeah, I took Todd, but uh, I had better access
than he had, so I was able to kind of
like rest.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey, what did I tell you though about San Anita?
That that place is magic If you can get out
to a horse racing facility anywhere nearby, and I'm talking
one of these off track betting sites, I'm talking like
an actual horse track if you can get out there.
It is such a good time. I don't know why
people don't go more. I don't know why I don't
go more.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Why don't you go more shuns.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's a bit of a hike, but you know, it's
it's a good time to be had. So congrats Lee
Lee got to hang out and hang out with the
wealthy people upstairs.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And the big Lee balls.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, yep, made some money, lost some money.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
My horse was running second in the race. Yeah, would
you have a rape a Knight or something? Sadi Crown,
Saudi Crown, I had Arabian Night, Saudi Crown almost won.
I was almost there. Yeah, I was almost there. Hey,
there'll be others, you know, we'll.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Have Arabian Night was in the lead at one point.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And next next next year to del Mar the Breeders Cup,
which is tremendous.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, we're there right like we're going gotta be.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
They said at the track that they definitely why y'all
sniff was are we doing? I was wondering, was that.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Not like that? Come on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, we didn't piss enough people off to get kicked
out of next year's race, so we'll probably be better.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
They were to go, Hey, Jonas, and well probably.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Would have been hard to mess that one up though,
you know.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
No one knew who's affiliated with HM.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did you have your credential on, Lee?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Oh they did?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now yeah, god, all right, well that's fine. Of course
he kept his credential long Why not?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's Lee.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
I should have taken everybode's credentials.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And wait, now that I think about it, Lee, why
didn't you come to Kentucky last year?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I had a funeral last year.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh yeah, that's right, Sorry to bring that up.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Sorry, we're just trying to make it to the show.
That day we almost missed the open.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah was that on that show?
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You had to lead us off that show?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Actually what happened was illegally parked for some reason. They
were like really concerned about where I was parking at
five thirty a m.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
And then we had a.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Year that this year, nobody's even here.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
That's a Breeders Cup tradition affair. They were like, slow down,
slow down, flown. I'm like, I'm going five miles per hour, sir,
I had a horse. All right, all right, so can
we talk about yes and listen, you can pick a
card any car because both games were going down to
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the wire at the same time, whether it's the Vikings
over the Atlanta Falcons, great game and the great story
that is Josh Dobbs or the Texans Bucks which turned
out to be the game of the day, maybe the
game of the year, and CJ. Stroud, who was on fire.
Baker Mayfield played well, but c J. Stroud stole the
show there. He's been fantastic.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
He's the offensive rookie. It's over inside.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Well, what's the odds because if there's if there's any
way it's plus odds, which it can't be after yesterday,
But even if it's minus like one twenty, go lay
a bunch of money on it. Yeah, there's no way
anyone's gonna beat c J.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Stroud minus five hundred five to one.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I still I still would probably lay that bet. Yeah,
I would. I would load up on that bet. And obviously,
again it stinks because after yesterday it's over and it
looks but like there's there's no one really in cop
tition with him. Because even if for example, B. John
Robinson hasn't been used quite as much. Jamior Gibbs has
been great the past couple of weeks. But you know,
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is Detroit can continue to use in that way even then,
you know, I just I know there could be a
playoff team in Detroit. Maybe that gives him an edge
or you know, over Houston, depending on what they look like.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But he's not a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
The runner us is right now Pouka Nakua at plus
six fifty. He's got no which.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, there's no shot. Like I would lay everything on CJ.
If even if he wasn't able to play like the
rest of the season, I think he still would win it. Wow,
with that performance what he did yesterday.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
He's great, man, he was great.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
It's a rookie record four hundred and seventy yards and
five touchdowns. And then the way he did it too
in the end where he had to in order to
bring his team back.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I mean, if we're being honest, he's been better than
Trevor Lawrence has been this year. I think he's the
best quarterback in that division this year.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Well, and I think that's where the conversation of one
and two this year if you look at Bryce Young
and like I was someone that I thought Bright would
would be better or or would be that you know, the.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Number one quarterback in this class. I'd Stroud as too.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But the things that Stroud excelled at at Ohio State,
his accuracy is downfield passing in particular. Both those translates
so well in the NFL, and it's displaying.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Itself with the way he's been able to play and
connect with Tank.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Tell but Bryce Young probably had the worst game of
his career this past week, and.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Meanwhile c J.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Stroud setting an offensive rookie record, Like that's the tough
because those two are always going to be going to
be compared, and on a day like yesterday for Stroud
it was unfortunately the worst day I think Young probably
will have at least this year as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Tell you what, Baker Mayfield was cooking too, Yep, And
it was it was a nice duel, it you know,
it was exciting to watch watch them compete. But CJ.
Stroud is he's really good man, he's as he's as
good as APPI you know, it's I don't know Bryce
yet and Bryce Young, I don't you know, can he
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do it? I mean it's it's I think the verdict
that's still not in on that.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
But can I say this, c J.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Stroud might be the best NFL quarterback in Ohio state history.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, if you think about it, like what.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
If it's early on, but he's on a track to
be the best they've ever had.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, so best Ohio State quarterback. Yeah, I
don't know who even would be in the conversation next time. Well,
I mean personally I would say Mike tom Zacht. But again,
you know, now we're just splitting their success in the league.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I mean the first comes to mind, but that's just me.
I know, you're not from the Midwest. You don't really know.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
About state a personal shots here this early in the morning.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You're not from You're not from the Midwest. You kind
of grew up in the t O and.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Damn uh. But CJ. Stroud has been fantastic. In fact,
would you how many quarterbacks would you say, just in
the NFL period have had a better year than c J. Stroud,
Like if you had, if you had to look at it, because.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I mean, if you're making a statistical argument, it's it's
it's gonna be tough because he's played really well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's got one interception on the year. So if we
want to do the box score game there's that he's
exceeded I think all expectations for the Houston Texans and
what they've done there and the fact that you know
he's doing what he's done. I also think, you know,
Demiko Ryan's coach of the year. That feels like that's
that's where that's headed. Oh yeah, because I don't I
don't know that anybody thought Houston was going to be
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this that there. Clearly, you know, they were in a
rebuild mode and they were going to go in another direction.
But they've rebounded nicely, and they've got the offensive rookie
of the year, they've got the coach of the year,
and they're in a division where who the hell knows
what's gonna happen with Tennessee and then you get to
see this thing play out with Jacksonville. Moving forward, it
just feels like Houston's in a really great spot moving forward,
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and just the way.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're not.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
I bet their defense is playing kind of decently. I mean,
maybe gave up too many points yesterday, but I thought
it was in a head to head game where a
team could have went four and four or become three
and five, you know, seemingly in the South race to
two team race seemingly between Tampa and New Orleans. I
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just think that the Texans showed the ability to be
resilient and to be competitive, and it's something, it is
something to build on. At eight games in, is this
still considered to be the halfway mark? Or is nine
games now the halfway mark of the season? Do we
say nine? But to be right where they are right
now at five hundred, I mean you'd have to assume
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that they're in a favorable position.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I think technically you have to say at halftime of
the team's eighth.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Game, time the eighth game, Okay, yeah, all right, well
there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's fair, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Right, or or half time makes halftime of their ninth
game at the but halftime.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Of the next game, yeah yeah, yeah. How long before
they just make it an even eighteen and we just
get to that point here.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Over under two and a half years.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I'll take the under.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah I would too.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, it seems like that's where that's gonna go. And
then they'll just add and well, we'll give you another playoff.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
They've got Roger's extension done right, yep, so that's in place.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Now he just works on Hey.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
How can I how can I make these honors more money.
I'll just add another game. Yeah, the players are gonna
do anything about it. They're not going to strike or anything.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So you mentioned Josh Dobbs and just the phenomenal story
that is Josh Dobbs eight to one to be comeback
Player of the Year. That's probably where that should that
should be headed. But you know there's the Demor Hamlin
stuff and everything else to go along with that. Josh
Dobbs spoke yesterday because he was expecting, all right, I'm
I'm going to be the backup quarterback. I just got
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to Minnesota. It's been kind of a wild year. You know,
I'm not expecting I'm going to be out there and
actually get any burn time, as Brady Quinn would call it.
And the next thing you know, Jaron Hall goes down
early and in comes Josh Dobbs to save the day
for the Minnesota Vikings. They do it on the road
against the Atlanta Falcons. They get the win. They're now
four and oh since the injury to Justin Jefferson. Are
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the Minnesota Vikings. And here was the brand new Vikings quarterback,
Josh Dobbs, just talking about what the day was like, like.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
The communication was awesome obviously given the circumstance not having
any reps with the guys out there, but the way
they're able to respond communicate to me of how I
can be better. I was able to communicate to them
what I was seeing and from there, man, we were
just able to go out and play good team football.
And so that's what takes every Sunday to a piece
together wins in the NFL, and we keep doing that,
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man hood a shot will be all right.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So pretty impressive performance by him. How difficult was that
in the spot Brady for him to be able to
pull that off yesterday game?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah, people just don't get it how hard it is
to do what Josh Dobbs is doing. And I'll actually
go as far as saying I think he's making it
hard on all other quarterbacks because of how well he's
been able to assimilate into the Cardinals, lead them, make
them competitive, win them a football game, and now with
the Minnesota Vikings, it's ridiculous what he's done this year.
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I mean, I would put up Hall of famers anyone
you want to talk about in the history of the
NFL to do what he's done and try to find
a way of getting wins and playing as well as
he did. I mean, he won that game for them.
It's not like, you know, they're winning and he's kind
of managing it. He was making plays to win that
(26:48):
game yesterday for them. He was making plays to keep
Arizona competitive in those games and score points like. I mean,
he was playing even well for Arizona. I know the
last few weeks he was there. It wasn't playing his best,
but he was keeping them competitive. And so I just
I'm so wowed by by what he's been able to do.
(27:10):
Because every offense is like speaking a different language, and
some languages are closer in nature to others, right, people
who speak Spanish and Portuguese, there's there's some crossover there.
There's a little more similarities than you know, people who
are gonna speak you know, Mandarin versus.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Spanish or something like that.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Right, But that's the like the fairest comparison you can make,
is you're speaking a different language. Like you heard him
talking about communication out there with his teammates. There's the
communications of play calls, and there's the communication of just
working with the other guys, of making sure However, they
talk about, you know, changing the protection, changing who the
we would call it the mic identification, right, And what
(27:48):
all you're doing is identifying who the middle linebacker is
because that sets up the pass.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Blocking and run blocking scheme.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But how you go about doing that at the line
of scrimmage in a game is different and varies greatly
between teams. Some teams have the center to it, some
teams have this quarterback to it, some teams have both,
and then some teams go about in different ways with
the calls they have.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Some will literally point to another player and go.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
No, no, Mike five to six, ericton Mike five to six.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And then other teams they'll say ringo lucky.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
They'll they'll kick it out one so it might have
been LeVar, but then they're gonna kick it out to
the linebacker to the right or the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
To the left.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
So it's just it's so nuanced, detailed and difficult to
be able to get down when you've got to go
make decisions in two seconds two and a half seconds.
It's so impressive, man, Like, That's why I'm saying, look
that the the DeMar Hamlin story is incredible. It's great
(28:45):
as far as Comeback Player of the Year, what Josh
Dobbs has done is to me what should win the award?
And if Minnesota makes the playoffs, I don't know how
you couldn't If you're the NFL, I don't know how
you could you could stare at that young man straight
in the face and be like, yeah, we're going to
go a different direction here, or how people could vote otherwise.
(29:06):
It is incredible what he's been able to do on
the field this year. That's what the awards should be about.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
And also it's not like he was playing against the
worst defense in the league. Like Atlanta's got a pretty
good defense. Like their number is like they're not, you know,
a top two team, but like it's not like they're
just a run through run of the mill. Yeah whatever,
you just you you'll get by them and it'll be
a shootout every week. Like Atlanta is a pretty good defense.
And as he mentioned on the road in that spot,
(29:33):
like it's incredible, man to think that this guy two
weeks before the season was in Cleveland and just to
see the journey that he's been on, like I would like,
like I'm telling you, if Netflix is going to do
that Quarterback documentary. Just follow Josh do Obbs. I would
love to see what that guy's year has been like
because it's one of the more impressive performances we've seen
in a while. So good for Josh Obbs.
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Speaker 2 (30:42):
The Raiders are back, and if you don't believe us,
they were smoking victory cigars in the locker room after
their big win over the Juggernaut, that is, the New
York Giants, who were down a starting quarterback because Daniel
Jones reportedly may have torn his acm on that game yesterday.
So Tommy Laruso or whatever his name is, de Vito
(31:07):
LaRusso came in, did better than he did the previous week,
but nonetheless Aidan O'Connell and the Raiders. In Antonio Pierce's
debut as head coach for the Raiders, get it done
there in laston.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
You think the celebration was like some wicket with which
of the West is the type stuff?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Happy the Josher's gone? I mean, do you think?
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Because I mean the way that locker room looked, it's
it almost seemed as though there was a relief, more
of a relief that he was gone more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Jay Glazer had a report on Fox before the Before
channel on Fox foxterday. He had a report yesterday.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Now I started saying it like him, like, I'll be
saying Fox like that because real Fox when I have
to host stuff. Now, I'm like on Fox app and
every time I say it, I start to like be like,
why am I doing that?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah? That is fluddy.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Look, we spend more time together than we do with
our own families, so we're gonna end up saying the
same thing.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Like I'll technically true, I don't say what I say
away from here.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Man, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Than no worries. Man, It's okay, there's no that's no shots.
I'm just saying I don't talk like y'all.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Fox.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, I don't. You don't say Fox no Radio. You
know what he does I say say, I say lose.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I do that too.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Is that you or is that Sam's sam? O?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I thought that was you.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Lose?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
That is that's me? Isn't it that was you?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah? Three times?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay lose. Yeah, that sounds like me. I don't even
say that on my own. Come on now, I will
say that get lose. Not so much, I say, come on,
come on, I will do that. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah,
I'll do that time.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Well.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Jay Glazier did have a little bit more detail on
the falling out of Josh McDaniels with the Raiders. So
this was Glazier yesterday on Fox talking about the decision,
what went into it and how things fell apart Towards the.
Speaker 12 (33:21):
End, there was such a big disconnect with the players
there and Josh McDaniels that players recently going upstairs to
the owner, Mark Davis to tell them what their problems were. However,
the big thing was this last Thursday, there was this
big airing of the grievance meeting and players just unloaded
on Josh McDaniels, from captain to captain, to player to player,
(33:43):
and finally Josh McDaniels actually had Antonio Pierce get up
and speak on behalf of him and the coaches. When
Antonio Pierce got up there, he said, look, guys, we
have to have her own culture. It's got to be
about culture here and we also have to look at it.
And he brought up the old Giants team that beat
the Patriots Josh McDaniel's team in the Super Bowl in
two thousand and seven season. He said, no matter who
(34:03):
we played, we thought we could beat them. We had
a game plan that we could beat them. We had
to believe that, and that's not here. We have to
believe it here at the Raiders. We could beat anybody. Well,
he finishes up that speech. Everybody thinks they're great except
for Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels then goes over to him
and says, don't ever talk about the Patriots like that.
And then you're really so how divided that building got.
That got up to Mark Davis, and I think Mark
(34:23):
Davis looked at it and go, Okay, I'm gonna choose the
guy who believes that we can win every single week,
and that's what his plan is gonna be. And by
the way, this is not just a throwaway for Antonio
Pierce where you know he's just going to coach out
the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
He has a shot to keep this job, I hope.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
So, Manjez, the way they played, I mean, grant, I know,
the Giants lost Daniel Jones and.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
That's it was.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
The Giants see their struggle this year. But man like that,
that's he that's I'm telling you. The defense is playing well.
They've got Adams, they got Jacobs, they got to the playmakers.
Adan O'Connell can get Adams the football. He's accurate, he's
a smart kid. You saw him handle the opp operations yesterday.
And the Giants defense actually been all right.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
This year.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
I just I hope they give Antonio Piers a legit shot.
I hope Mark Davis learned from his mistake of not
going with Rich Pasacia and then this time around says,
you know what, I'm not gonna let this one out
the door. If things go the way they went yesterday,
the rest of the season, this team climbs back into the hunt.
You got to give Antonio Piers some serious consideration or
look at him as the guy to potentially get the job.
(35:28):
So look, it's a people person business. You know, we
act like football is all scheme. It's still finding ways
of motivating players to play well for each other and
for you as a coach.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
He's got one win down, He's got the Jets up next.
That'll be a tough game, but it's a winnable game
because they can get it done on the defensive side
of the ball against the Jets offense, so they can
get they can get two wins under their belt. Like
I said, I believe it's it's four to five wins.
(36:01):
Four to five wins for fr Antonio Pierce, I would
assume locks him in for being a serious, serious consideration
or decision to be the head coach moving forward. I
can't see how you take a coach that can go
(36:24):
under the circumstances of what they're under right now and
get a team to turn it around to the effect
of being able to win four to five games if
you're not really really good at leading.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Men, I mean smoking cigars after beating the Giants though
the Giants again, again, I don't think that. I don't
think that it's about beating the Giants. Yes, it was
about the win, but I think it was more so
about how they felt. I mean, if you're listening to
what Jay and Jay Glazer built his career off of
all of the information that you know who gave him,
(36:57):
right the New York Giants. That's why his best friend
is Mike straight hand, Like Jay Glazer has always gotten
a he got his his career really really lifted up
and off the ground by getting information in New York
City and ap was a part of that New York culture.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
So you're you're talking about he's going to have support
from certain people and they're gonna get real accurate, like
Jay's gonna have accurate information on this topic.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Josh Daniel's getting, uh getting frustrated with him bringing up
the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
I know AP Man and I know if he said that,
the a p Ap was looking at him like, we
beat your ass in the super Bowl, and I'll beat
your ass right here right now. Real talk like man,
the man, like put all this other stuff aside, like,
don't ever talk to me about not don't bring up
the Patriots. Well, I was the captain of that team
that beat your team. I'm on your coaching staff. You
(37:51):
want me, you're gonna call me up here to talk,
I'm gonna talk, and I'm gonna tell you what I'm feeling.
Don't don't get all soft and moist when when everything
that that is it doesn't necessarily fit what you would
would like for me to say.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Right Well, yeah, Another thing is like you asked them
to stand up and speak on your behalf.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Once you pass the mic.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Give a ball control, Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Like whatever someone's gonna say if you're annoying them is
speaking on your behalf you've co signed on to.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You can't be upset about that. But I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I look at it and think this team has the
chance and has the ability to win a string of games.
Now I know that's that's putting a lot on a
rookie quarterback and Aidan O'Connell and you're expecting a lot.
But I mean, look, they played the Jets. That's a
tough one. They get them at home though, like I
still think, and then, by the way, on the short week,
(38:41):
Jets played to Night.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Then after that it gets tough.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You got to go to Miami, You've got to play
Kansas City, but then you got to buy before Minnesota,
and then you got the Chargers, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Denver.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, they've got more wins on this.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Schedule, Like if they play the way they're capable of,
the defense keeps playing well, they feed Jacobs, they get
the ball to Adams and Meyer. Like it wasn't even
like that game was perfect and they won in a
dominant fashion. So they've got a shot they really do
of I think winning enough to keep Antonio Pierce in
a position and where he'll he'll be the head.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Coach next season.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Look ahead to that Jets Raiders matchup, which I'm sure
Josh McDaniels will not be watching. That's prime time too,
by the way, right Sunday night, Yeah, Jets minus two
and a half. That's the line we got right now
in that game.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
So all Jets minus two and a half, yeah, God.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Give me the two points in the Raiders right now.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So I think the Raiders is going to be a
different team, like Cinderella man out this bad boy.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
I feel like they're gonna look like they're all gonna
look like Max Crosby's look the entire year mode that
two plays with his hair on fire, motivated.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Every single snap.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
I'm watching him like damn, like he just he's flying around,
like even hitting dudes after the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
I'm like, he's bringing bad intentions.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Did you just see the postgame speech that Ap was
giving and like how everybody was like looking at AP's
eyes and then you saw Davante Adams in the background
like looking at him and shaking his head and stuff
like that. Like, bro, that's why that do got the
head coaching job. It was the Giants there. It doesn't
matter they're a vomit bucket. First of all, that's that's
(40:18):
AP's former team for one. So there was a lot
of connect decisions there. That's an outside opinion of the man.
You win in a game in the NFL, you want
to guess.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
And under the circumstances, you would have thought that the
Giants would have been able to take advantage of a.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Rookie hey coach and a rookie quarterback and a rookie.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Quarterback like you would have thought they would have been
able to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I just can't believe about what I'm hearing that you guys.
I mean, we're less than a year removed from dumb
truck Nuts Ryan dave Ball being the guy, and you
guys are selling him out so you can go join
forces with the Raiders, go have a stogy after beating
it tall.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
First off, no one's saw him out.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
But I'll say this, I mean the whole Daniel Jones
extension all that, I never really saw it. I've said
that I don't really I think after the season especially,
I mean, if you fear for him, if he tore
his ACL, you know what that means long term and
with the contract. But I felt like sa Qua was
the player they should have focused on extending. And I
(41:14):
know that's not a popular opinion because he's a running back,
but to me, he's a difference maker. And then you
go back and you look for that quarterback in the draft,
and they.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Just they they thought last year was enough from Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
And it felt like in the league where you were
watching like what we saw last night or yesterday with
Dak and Jalen and Josh Allen and and uh, you
know Joe Burrow and all these other you know, Patrick
Mahomes andtoa you look at last year what that offense
is doing, You're like, this is what you want to
invest into.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
I just it didn't it didn't make as much sense
to me. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
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