November 7, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Chargers manhandle the Jets on MNF, but should Zach Wilson shoulder all the blame? Other Big 10 schools now want to spy on Michigan, proving Brady’s point that systemic cheating is a thing. And the guys root on Kyler Murray returning from his torn ACL.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, how the hell we feel in here on a
Tuesday morning? Huh Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Probably better than New York Jets right now? Geez nikes,
I mean out the game of beating.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Can I can I be the first to say this
though that I know it's easy to pick on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They got other problems.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And the line was awful last night, said why would
you pick on Zach Well?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Just it feels like that's the easy go to low
hanging fruit. Well, Zach Wilson if it was Aaron Rodgers,
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Mean probably true, though.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Okay, you think the old line would protect better with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I think that. I think that Aaron Rodgers would adapt
to what his protection is. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I mean, look, we only know if he's able to
come back this season and see it. I mean, here's
what we had. We had starting at left tackle, which
wasn't necessarily a plan a coming in the season. That's
always tough. The only player is Lakeland Tomlinson has started.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
At left guard.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's the only one who's been a consistency. Tipman, who
was drafted to play at center, played center last night
but has not been in that position before. Was a
Max Mitchell played right guard. He had originally started the
previous two games of right tackles, never played guard in
his life until last night, and then right tackle ended
up being.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Who's, off the top of my head, just make something up.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, I'm not going to mix something up. But it
was also the first start for the right tackle last night,
So you literally had a guy playing right guards, never
played right guard to first start ever at right tackle,
and Tipman, who's again drafted to play center, not necessarily
wanting to put him there yet, but then at that spot,
and then Beckton, who's not your option at left tackle.
I mean, it's not that surprising that when the game
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went up fourteen to nothing and you knew the Jets
had to do what they The Jets can win one
one way right now, running the football, good defense, don't
try to make it a shootout. Well, you're down a
couple scores early, and then as you continue to get
down a couple they're stayed down a couple scores. You
eventually have to start throwing the football more. That's just
not a formula for them to win right now. Even
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though Garret Wilson's a stud and even you know he
had a fumble last night, there's just too many mistakes.
I mean, they have to play a certain, specific, perfect
style of football in order to win.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Their defense is awesome.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Though the defense is good. Their defense plays well, but
you know what, the Chargers have a defense. They made
some big plays obviously showed that. The Philly I don't know.
I couldn't think of his name. That's who ended up
playing last night at right tick. What was his name,
Billy Turner. He was originally playing right guard at times,
then played right Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just
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think when you look on the sideline, I feel like
Robert Salah's look of frustration is always based off of
I don't have Aaron Rodgers that quarterback, and what would
we be if I did. That's what I feel like
I see when I see Robert Silow's face. It's just
like it wears such a level of frustration or disappointment
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when you see his face, and I think there's only
a few things that it could possibly be. When you
see that that type of posture or that type of look. Now,
that's just me old that it could be Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So you're putting all.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
On him like that. Huh, And I don't you know
it's I listen. I mean, I understand what you guys
are saying about the old line, and it's probably one
hundred percent correct, because y'all know, I like living in
my feelings, not in like truth or information or anything
like that. I just like to go off of what
my gut tells me.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Gus, Yeah, can I ask this question lost both of
you guys this because this is like Pete Prisco accuses
me of this. He feels like I make excuses for
quarterbacks all the time. He calls me the quarterback defender.
I don't think you make excuses for quarterbacks. However, I
do think that deep down inside, when there's a moment
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like this, you know that, regardless of anything, it's the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I think like it's on him.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I think what you do is you add nuance to
conversations about quarterbacks that most people are too lazy to
add themselves or don't have enough intimate knowledge of to
where if something's falling apart for an offense, and it's
easy to blame the quarterback. You will simply bring up
other aspects of it that maybe isn't being discussed or
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people don't know about, which finds interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
For what is worth, he had a better stat line
than Herbert. Yeah, he protected the ball. He didn't. He
did not throw in any.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Sex fumbles. It's like it's it's kind of tough. It
was an act of throwing. Like if that it happens
a half second later, the ball's probably out.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, it's just funny because Prisco always say he puts
on the sirens because he's like, here comes the quarterback.
Defenders come from the ambulance.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's because like everybody wants it to be a black
and white discussion of well, if they had a different quarterback,
it'ld be a completely different football team. Well not really,
like you remember that that whole thing years ago where
people would bury the Cleveland Browns because they didn't have
a first round grade on Carson Wentz reportedly and it
was like, well look what Carson Wentz was doing in Philly,
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and we're making the point on the air back then
Brady like hold on, put Carson Wentz on that no
win team for Cleveland that year.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How many more wins they get that too?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Like it just I just don't think people want to
take the time to have that discussion because it's a
quarterback driven league and they just assume, well, it's got
to be the quarterback Zach Wilson. Didn't cause Wilson to
fumble the football the punt return for the touchdown, like
the offensive line melting down, like some of that on him,
But it's not all on him. And he does look
like he's he's gotten better, like he does look like
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he's playing a little bit better with a little more compensated.
I get it, but it's not totally on him.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
They put up six points, I know, but it's like
I said this yesterday, like they'd have to maybe I
said in my notes, like they'd have to play a
perfect style to win.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I just thought they were getting on a role of
doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And on the flip side, West Coast teams comeing to
the East Coast typically don't.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Have much success.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That's the first team that Chargers beat, you know, that's
over five hundred. It's not like their wins of coming.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Against good football teams.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That was Yeah, so I mean, look, I just kind
of thought, and maybe I was more curious to see
what would happen if the Chargers dropped that one, because
obviously it feels like, you know, you got that like
Bunsen burner on and you get the flame low. But
if they'd lost that game, like all of a sudden,
you're ripping that thing up full speed and trying to
like you watched that reaction, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What I'm talking about. You want you want to hear
Robert Sala. You want to hear Robert Sala. It's somewhere
in the middle of this. I don't think he meant
to take a dig at Zach Wilson. It's just the
way it sounded. But this is going to be what
people run with. I want to see if you guys
can identify where it is. This was Robert Sala, a
guy who Lebar Arrington waxed poetically weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, they did.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But I mean, I remember you talking a lot about
Robert Sala's skin, and just he does have good skin.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
He's grown his beard out.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Now, yeah it doesn't look like Xerxes anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, no, yeah there going full facial hair.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, it wasn't perfectly panicured beard too, though.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, you guys, tell me he doesn't look like
the guy from three hundred. I'm pretty sure this Jerseys,
You're right.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He's got to add some facial jewelry and you got
you got this.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Not often that you'd have someone like Brady Quinn having
like looks envy going on, you know what I mean. Like,
I didn't say us the problems of the not get
copying dudes out here.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I didn't say I'm envious.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, let's just keep it on.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I look at both of you guys, and I say,
f off. Both of you want to look at me
and f off. No, I do not that stuff. So
I look at you and I say, you're like, you're
like one grade ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You're not copying off my paper in school. Let's listen
to Robert Salah and see if you can pinpoint what
people are going to think as a slight at Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Was this a step back for Zach?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Robert, I don't know if you could say step back.
You know, there's like I said, there's it's all encompassing.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Obviously he's gonna want some things that he wishes he
could have done better. It's just a little bit of everything.
It's just one of those bizarre games. It's just every
time we had momentum, Like I said, just a self
inflicted poond wound.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Was it his best game?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Obviously?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Was his worst game. No, I'm not gonna say it
was even close to his horse game. But I think
the entire offense, obviously we all could have been better.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So not even close to his worst game.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Translation, I just wish I had Aaron Rodd. He's like,
if y'all want me to tell you what I've do,
you really want to know what I'm feeling right now?
Why are you asking me about Zach when you know
I'm concerned about Aaron.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, he's uh, he's progressing. He's throwing the ball
pretty well, taking step dropbacks. He was he didn't need
a cart apparently to get into the stadium, you know,
just kind of hanging out.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He was throwing the ball fifty yards. Man, it's palming
that thing. I think the tough thing is they're four
and four, all right, you got nine games to play,
and you know, coming out of this game, I believe
they've got to play Las Vegas and then Buffalo back
to back weeks on the road, like if there was
ever a game you kind of needed to sneak up
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and win. Even though I think the Chargers are on
paper a better team, that was it. I mean, the
Raiders seem like they're playing inspired. I don't think they
have any shoppers Buffalo and Buffalo, and then they get
to host Miami, who got to be a huge game
for Miami in the context of the of the playoff
race Atlanta, Houston at Miami again and then Washington and Cleveland,
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New England. So the finish isn't too bad. And maybe
that's where you look at like a soft landing spot
of Rogers could come back, but it just it seems
like it would be it'd be too tough. And by
the way, this offensive line needs to get it self
in shape. Otherwise you're gonna be putting Aaron Rodgers in
grave risk by putting him back there.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But I'll just go back to the initial point.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I don't think throwing the football fifty times is your
game plan for success with this Jets team and only
running the ball through running backs eight times, Like that's
just not the formula you want. And I know they
got down early and they were down, basically trailed almost
the entire game. But I just I look at it
and I go, you know, it's it's not gonna help
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them ever win. If that's what they're formulas for success,
you can't do that.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, six points, man, it's not. It's going to be
a tough road to hoe if you can only put
up two field goals to try to be in a game,
especially being in November, where the teams that are going
to make their runs for the Super Bowl they have
to make those runs. They have to start becoming that
team right now, like you got to start seeing those
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contenders play better football, more consistently, more inspired right now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I mean, in fairness, it would have been twelve points
if cja Uzama would have caught that ball at the
end of the end zone, hit him right in the chest,
perfectly thrown ball by Zach.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now would that have mattered for any of the betters
out there?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
John's I'm not quite sure. I didn't have action on
the game, you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Know, Okay, so you didn't even look at the numbering
and look at the line and look at anything.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I didn't have any actions.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But I mean, once I saw the Chargers were a
three point favorite at closing, and I realized the Jets
aren't going to get within three.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It just didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It still wouldn't matter. The over under closed at forty
one and the low was three.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So well, I mean, listen, it's it's unfortunate. What's happened
to the New York Jets. It's in primetime last night.
That's just a sad tale.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
The Chargers defense looked good, they feasted, Joey Bosa got
after it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What did they have?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Seven sacks?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Eight?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Eight sacks?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Jesus, how's Zach Wilson feeling today and tomorrow? Brady as
a quarterback who's been sacked eight times in a game.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Man, I mean probably like he uh, I guess I'll
put it this way because the trigger treat just occurred.
So imagine walking across the street and some kid just
runs right into you with his bike, you know, or
maybe a small vehicle sorts like a golf court or something.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Scooters these days, Yeah, scooters.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
He's coming full speed and just blast you. By the way,
this kid who's on the scooter, he's one of those
kids that you're like questioning if he's too big to
be on the scooter. You know, You're like, I don't
I don't know if he can that thing hold him?
Should he be on the Is he too big for
a scooter? But he blasts you with this scooter and
you're not looking, and not only does he hits you,
and that hurts. You hit the ground, then it hurts.
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It's two hits, him hit you, you hit the ground.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's how you're waking up feeling the next day?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right, Keep cashing check sack, you're okay.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Like like how you got that black eye? You woke
up and you didn't know you was blindsided while you right, right,
because that's what's wor right, that's how that's how it works.
And you thought it was your kid. Blamed it on
the kid.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What are you trying to get?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well, he was just doing kind of gymnastics with his truck, Jim, I.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Mean, he's not wrong. It's like that. You know, you
never you've never been laying there where your wife hits
you in your sleep.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
And it wakes you up to Yeah, it could be
an accident, but it could not have been an accident.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
She might have loaded up sort snorts.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I wish I had a better story, I really do.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I just yeah, a story you're telling at it either, Yeah,
it ain't it?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
A man? Ain't it? Listen doesn't pass the detector test,
you know, just is what it is. It's just the
detector testes.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
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Speaker 4 (14:28):
So Larry Lage of the Associated Press reported yesterday, according
to the AP, that a former employee at a Big
Ten football program said Monday that his job was to
steal signs and he was given details from multiple conference
schools before his team played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet
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of play calling signals used by the Wolverines last year.
I basically other teams in the conference were like, all right,
so then we're gonna go ahead and get their signs
and use those as well too, which points to something
that Brady pointed out on this show a couple of
weeks ago, which I got a lot of pushback when
you said this goes on in a lot of places.
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And here's a guy saying I gave this evidence over
to Jim Harbaugh and to Michigan because I didn't feel
like it was fair that they're being criticized and singled
out when you had a rogue assistant coach going out
and doing these things that have been done to Michigan
over the past year plus. And here's your evidence. So
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now another layer to this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I want to be very clear with everything I'm about
to say next, Okay, and I'm hoping our friends at
Fox Sports ready on social media can actually clip this
off and include it. Okay. Just because I have said
that it goes on in other places, that doesn't mean
that I condone it. I'm just telling you what I know.
It's no different. And LaVar, I'll ask you this like,
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do schools pay players outside of Nile when they were true?
Do the schools pay to schools or alums, etc. I
mean you know where it's coming from. Yes, Okay, that
has gone on forever. Is it illegal? Yes? Do teams
always get caught very rarely? All right? There are elaborate
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schemes and ways in which they do it. I won't
go into depth. But also illegal, do we make a
big deal about it, no, because now we hide behind
well it's nil even nil's not being done in the
proper manner in some ways. But the NCAA doesn't have
the teeth to be able to punish them for that.
This is a little bit different. And the NCAA investigation
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for this, I'm sure, well, if they have the actual
evidence of Connor stallions at opposing teams filming those signals,
filming sidelines that they'll be punished for it if they
have evidence of it, because you're not supposed to do
that based on a rule that was created back in
nineteen ninety four. But I want to be very clear,
just because I'm telling you that out there there are
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schools who are going to pay players to get them
as recruits. I don't think it's a news flash to anyone.
I'm not condoning it, but I'm telling you what happens.
It goes on elaborate schemes. Okay, it's no different with
the signs stealing. And I've had people who are coaching
I've never heard Okay, you haven't heard of this. Okay,
this goes on to other schools and maybe not in
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the same manner in which Michigan has done this, but
I know of coaches who are responsible for signs stealing
and doing this. There's the quote unquote analysts who aren't
even on your school's campuses, who are all throughout the
country that are able to go to other games and
see this and trying to steal signs. So look, I'm
not saying I'm not trying to defend Michigan in any way,
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but also I am trying to provide the perspective that
it goes on everywhere else too. There's a lot of
other ways in which people do it and coaches who
act like, oh, I know coaches who are trying to
say it doesn't go on that I'm like, I know
the guy who's doing it for y'all, so don't say
it doesn't go on because I know the coach he
was doing it. So my whole point is that I
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don't think it plays as big of an impact in
a game because one, let's just look at it this way,
as we talked about last year, when teams knew this
was going on. TCU, for example, some of the schools
that have been open about and say, well, we changed everything,
We changed our signals, changed our calls all that. Okay,
so then really, what benefit of having old signs and
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things like that. How does that benefit you? Even if
they're an attempt at cheating, if they've changed everything and
they get it in game, they've got a guy who's
trying to steal signs, which, by the way, if you're
on the sidelines in game trying to steal signs, that's legal.
There's nothing wrong with that. And if the team changed everything,
they maybe figure out by a third, fourth quarter. Okay,
that's part of the gamesmanship that goes on, and that's
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allowed within the rules. But my point is, like taking
them from what they were the signals, being able to
confirm in game if those actually are the signals, and
then being able to throughout the course of the game
while teams are making adjustments, work it all out, so
you're making calls that are effective to execute against that,
it's hard to know exactly how big of an impact
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it has. What has a much bigger impact and what's
happening right now in college football, and in my opinion,
is a bigger issue than this is tampering. There are
schools in bigger schools or other schools that are competing
that are big schools with one another who're tampering with
kids on rosters. If I can grab a five star
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kid or another school star and offer him whatever amount
of money, which is one hundred percent inducement, is illegal,
is illegal within the rules, and I get that team
a kid on my team. That is way more of
an advantage than signce stealing. Yet we're making a big
deal about the Michigan signce stealing and because of the
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Connor Stallion's character and the success of Michigan and probably
how Jim Harbaugh has handled things and how he is
with the media anyway, and it's a big brand, when
the reality is that's not one of the biggest issues
that college football faces. Tampering is a much more widespread
issue as well that I think it plays a much
greater impact on teams and their ability to compete, where
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you have coaches on the field after games who are
offering kids money and I've heard firsthand from kids, So
that to me is a much greater issue that I
guess the NCAA doesn't want to investigate or doesn't want
to look through. And it's just a bit surprising to me. Look,
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I'm not condoning any illegal activity that takes place in
any of these schools. But when you're looking at what
plays the biggest factors or issues with where the college
football game is right now, I don't think science stealing
is at the top of the list. And as I
said when his first came out, there is two simple
solutions to this. Okay, go to the coach the quarterback,
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where you just call the play in the quarterback's helmet
or bring back the huddle. A lot of teams will
huddle up and it takes away any ability whatsoever for
that team to get down their signals. If you put
on a risk band, you can signal in the plays
that way, and people are what about them stealing the
signals for the risk band. Well, first off, when you
got three hundred plays, two hundred plays, it's really hard
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to be able to steal that then because you're probably
only running a play maybe once, maybe twice. Okay, that's
hard to be able to do. And when you've got
people running out of huddles, you know with the play
there's no way of them stealing any of that. So
those are the two quick ways of completely eliminating any
advantage of the science stealing would have in the game,
and yet we don't see teams adapting to that. I
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wonder why. I wonder why that is. There are some
teams that have taken advantage of the sign stealing and
they feel like they don't want it to necessarily go
away because maybe it's played a huge advantage for them.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So if this report from Lairlage is true, and you've
got he's sent over screenshots of other staffers at other
Big Ten schools who were corresponding about stealing Michigan signs,
If I'm Tony Pettiti and I've got all this stuff
and I've got these Big Ten coaches demanding that Michigan
be punished immediately, I'd say so. Apparently this was going on.
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A bunch of people are involved. So here's what we're
gonna do. Everybody, cut the crap. We're starting clean. No
more of this garbage, and let's just continue with the season,
because there's no way you can just punish Michigan when
you've got every other school who was doing the same
thing to them. It just feels like you're going down
this slippery slope where you're singling out Michigan and not
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accounting for everybody else.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Involved. Like, I just think, forget the point though you
got it, just forget real quick, just real quick. You
just have to assume that you'll know exactly why all
these things took place after Jim Harbaugh leaves Michigan. Like,
think about how many accusations, how many rule breaks, how
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many of these things that are being discussed, will be
discussed once Harball is not at Michigan, Like we'll know.
That's when we'll know for certain that there was an agenda.
It was pointed directly at the coach of Michigan. And
until he's not there coaching, you're going to continue to
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have all of these mysterious allegations and rule breakings and
all these different things. You bought a cheeseburger and you're
supersized it instead of just getting them a regular size,
and you bought it for the sister and the brother
and the uncle and the aunt, and now you're in trouble.
I think you'll will know exactly why all of these
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things and all the speculation were the way that they
were when Harball isn't there anymore, because you're not going
to hear all of these things about Michigan once he's gone.
But while he's there, They're going to look for it
and every little thing that they can use to agitate
and facilitate and instigate movement with Harball. That's what I
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think it is. I don't know where it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the school, which I don't
think at this point it would be the school because
why would you want to like cut your nose despite
your face. I don't know that it's necessarily the school,
but it is coming from somewhere because it's easy to
see that tampering and cheating. I mean, did you guys
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see did you guys see the clip of coach Saban
after the game this past weekend where he gave the
player a hug on the field and he said, man,
you know you'd play a lot more if you were
with us like that. They caught that on.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Film, little flirting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
They caught that on film, like you're telling the player
like I think it was the LSU player. Did they
just play LSU? Yeah, Okay, I think he says it
right on the field, like you know, you play more
with us? Like got it on film? Where's all the
outrage that's tampering? You're recruiting? So I think people pick
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and choose when they want to make stories bigger stories,
and there's always a reason why you want to make
that a bigger story. And it's clearly, it's clearly that
it's the coach that is the biggest focal point of
what's going on, and they're not going to stop until
they receive his resignation or the school is forced to
take action against them. That's what I think it is.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's a good point, and I was just going to
say on the Pasiti front again, Precedent is a word
that you hear often in contract negotiations and labor negotiations
and really in most cases just the business world. And
this is one where when your takeover as a conference commissioner,
you got to be careful about what you put on
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your plate as far as what you're responsible for. Maybe
Tony Petiti wants this, Maybe he wants to appear to
have the type of control where he can punish code
in schools and teams for this. Maybe he wants to
build out a robust investigative arm of the Big Ten
in order to look into these sorts of matters and
not have it be an NCAA investigation. But I tend
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to look at it and think, you know, be careful
what you wish for, because there's going to be always
unintended consequences when you open up I'll just call it
Pandora's box in the sense of, all right, you take
on this one issue, then that kind of opens up
speculation to well, where does it stop, Like if you
have all this power to punish Michigan for you know whatever,
(26:33):
you know, the sign stealing and what they were doing wrong,
where does it stop? Like, where does your ability to
punish a school, a coach, a player stop? And how
does it work in conjunction with the NCAA or does
it when as if there's different opinions, I mean, the
whole thing I think becomes, you know, candidly just a
mess because we haven't seen this before. And that's why
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I've been an advocate for saying, look, let the NCAA
run its course until we get to a point where
the you know, group of five power five looks different
and the college football Playoff expands and there's maybe a
different entity that is overseeing all of this, you know,
separate from the NCAA. Then I think we can have
a conversation about what that the power of that person
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looks like and what they're responsible for.
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Speaker 4 (28:10):
We got some good news for one team in the NFL.
That team is the Arizona Cardinals, who are right now
the worst team in the league, projected to pick number
one overall in the draft, but they're getting a couple
of key pieces back. This from Adam Schefter earlier James Connor,
the running back. They are opening the practice window for
him to return. He's been on injury reserve the past
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four games, recovering from a knee injury. But that coupled
with the fact that Kyler Murray, their quarterback, their franchise guy,
gave the big money contract too. He has not played
a game since last December, and barring any setbacks this week,
he will get the start on Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons.
So Week fourteen of last year, last time he saw him,
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he goes down with the injury, he recovers. Now he's
back for Arizona, they find them is a two point
underdog against those Atlanta Falcons coming up this Sunday, and
it feels like this back half of the season for
Kyler Murray he could be playing for his future in Arizona,
because if this doesn't go well, they're probably looking at
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a quarterback atop the draft.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Next year potentially potentially. I mean they sound like they're
really committed to him, and contractually, I believe past this year,
it wouldn't be that easy to move on from him
next year. I mean you'd be thinking more via a trade,
not so much cutting him. So that's I think some
of the issue with that. But I don't know. I'm
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excited to see him get back in there and play.
He's an exciting player, but he's got a long term deal,
and you know, in twenty twenty four, I believe the
dead cap hits like eighty one million, so it's gonna
be a couple of years, I think before they can
potentially move on from him. This isn't to take away
from Josh Thabbs, who knows if he had more time
to prepare for the season. But I think if you're
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looking at Kler Murray as an upgrade at quarterback, the
way this team's competed and played, if Murray can win
them a few games, who knows how it would have looked,
you know, the rest of the season would have looked.
The way this team's played like, they've hung in there. They've,
you know, as the seasons were on, kind of kind
of you know, almost I want to say fall by
the wayside, but they've had some issues, but I think
they're very much capable of competing and winning some football
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games if he's going to be able to get back
up to one hundred percent. But again, I don't think
they're going to move on from him, and I don't
think they're gonna be able to find a trade partner
for him even next year. His cap hit next year's
fifty almost fifty two million.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, I think that's the key is he's I don't
think he's tradable. Yeah, not un til twenty twenty five.
Probably correct. But I would say to add to your
point in some regards, you could actually look at the
the idea of Kyler Murray's value being established right now
with him not being in lineup right. This is competitive
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team when he's healthy and he's upright, and and you know,
we always make the joke, oh, look he looks like
Super Mario out there running around and stuff like that,
and he looks like he's in Fast Forward or whatever
it may be. But to that point, Kyler Murray has
always really had this team competitive when he's starting, and
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now you're looking at a team that's really really struggling
without his services. So that could go to drive the
point home that you know what, we we did get
it right with Kyler Murray. The only knock on Kyler
Murray was one. It's questionable as to how the team,
you know, the players may have felt about him in
the locker room, which is speculative, you know, a speculation,
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and that he really enjoys his video games more than
anything else. If those are the two criticisms, I think
both are correctible criticisms. Nothing that's falling on the way
he plays the game. And so to me, you're looking
at a team that is struggling. If you're high up
in the draft ranks and and you you're you're getting
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a pick of picks, why wouldn't you think about getting
a compliment to what Caler Murray brings to the table.
Get get a good wide receiver, you know, beef up
your offensive line, like, do one of those things.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I wonder if this is going to end up being
a blessing in disguise for him, because there was the
knock on him that you know, maybe football wasn't hit
you know, the first priority that maybe he video games. Yeah,
the video games, all that other stuff that was going on.
I wonder if this is the first real injuries had
to deal with, and he's had to stare his own
mortality in the eyes and be like, man, I kind
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of like this, and I appreciate it more now than
maybe I thought I ever would because I lost it
for so long, and he.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Might have threw his remote control, you know, and it's
his gaming chair and through his gaming chair across the room.
You know, let me at this for you.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Though, in regards to Murray, like we tend to forget
the type of production that he's had as a player,
Like if you kind of throw out last year, which
a little bit became a dumpster fire, and he obviously
wasn't even to play the entirety of the season, and
so who knows how things would have turned out. But
in the previous three years he's thrown north of thirty
seven hundred yards, all right, Like, that's what he's giving you.
Every single year. He's gonna throw somewhere around twenty three
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twenty four touchdown passes. He's gonna run in because he
is a tremendous athlete. He's gonna run in another I
don't know based on some of those stats. It kind
of has varied, but for the most part, you're going
at least five six you know, in a second, you're
hit eleven rushing touchdowns, but somewhere over four hundred yards rushing.
Five hund yards rushing you could throw onto that. He's
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got a two to one touchdown interception ratio. He's completed
sixty seven percent of his passes like that, you can
win with that. Like that's a quarterback. That's a franchise,
consistent quarterback in the league. It's just, you know, I
don't know. I mean, he was a two time Pro
Bowl I don't know that this you know, roster was
built to the point where they when they made the
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playoffs and they were all ultimately going to be able
to compete the way maybe the ownership in front office
thought they would. But the way this group is playing
right now, and if they get better quarterback play, I
think they could be competitive. I'm not sure how many
games are go win this year, but as they continue
to build, like I give him a shot at.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
His best, he's a top three to five quarterback in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's fair. Yeah, I think statistically you can make that
argument based on what he's done and up until last year.
I continue to see this like they were building towards that,
Like he got better and better and better with each
season as he played like you could see that statistically,
you could see that with the way their team played.
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And then last year was just kind of like the
what the hell happened there?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But as an offensive rookie of the Year in year one,
two time pro bowler after that, he had been everything
you wanted to be, and then they had that kind
of all in your last year. It just it didn't
work out. And I you know, I think what they're
building now Jonathan Gan, at least early on, it looks
like this could be a team that's competitive. It might
surprise a lot of people if he comes back as
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healthy can play the way we've seen in the past.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, how about you and I trying to provide
some optimism for the Cardinals and supporting Kyler Murray and
LaVar's got him throwing his gamer chair, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Trying to I mean, that was optimism. It's like it's
like a Rocky movie, right, Like you're you're in there
and you're retired, but then you're watching and you see
Apollo Kree get the life knocked out of them, and
then you're like, the hell with this game? Why am
I playing these video games? Why am I why am
I just letting my life just get away from it?
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And then you throw your chair and then you you
throw your remote control, and then you start watching film
and they played rocky music, and then you start doing
push ups and sit ups and stretching exercises to make
this right. There you go, there you go. I'm just saying, man,
you know, I'm just saying, like he heard that little voice.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
In his head.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
You know you play video games, don't you. Yeah, He's
got all these voices coming at him. And and then
you know, and then he gets in shape and you
guys all know what happens. Next. He goes to the
top of one of those mountains that he's he's hiking
in Arizona, and he looks over and he goes, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like n f C. He's got his VR goggles on
playing n f C.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There it is n f C.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And then and then he comes out of the tunnel
and then he commenced to like womping ass. Then Arizona
wins out the rest of their games the rest of
the year.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Now would he be listening to this or the Super
Mario Brothers theme?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Which do you think?
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Do we have the Super Marios thing he'd be super Mario.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Well, it's a video game theme. You know, LaVar's got
him as a gamer, not really a football player.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I didn't say he's a gamer not really a football player.
I said what was stated in his contract. Uh oh
uh oh. See this this song along with the clause
of putting an extra amount of time studying your plays
versus playing video games. This was the song.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Can you imagine if he had this on, like getting
getting back into shape like he's doing, you know, two
hundred and twenty five pound lunges across the weight room
floor and he's got this banging on the speakers.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
No, he's going to use a pool like he's going
to be running. He's going to be jumping over things
like lawn chairs and lounger chairs and spinning around umbrellas
and then jumping into the pool of water and then
getting out of there and then jumping over something else
and then he's going to land on it and it's
going to make those noises and yeah, he's like real
life Mario brother.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Just you know, this is terrible what you've done to
the man. He's trying to come back from injury.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
I'm giving you said I was being negative saying he
only plays games.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Don't put this still, put this on LeVar, all right, thanks,
just said things in the past too, so I haven't
sitting on the curves feet dangling.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
It's the best one ever, by the way, the best
one ever.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He said that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Jonas like taking out of context.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Listen, that's exactly what you saw.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Man sitting on the bitch kicking his feet like coach,
la la la la la la.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You you put this on LeVar and that this has
been you, so.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Hey, somebody will be off this bitch.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
So I could go in the gate, hide and go
seek behind a donut hole. I would never say anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Brought up what other sport you could play? Because I
was just louting to baseball. What did you say?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I don't recall, Yeah, you do.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You just read Santanita. Geez, that's what this is, what
your words.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Dude, I don't recall. I'm rooting for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Caler Murray gave new meaning to him going to hang
out in the crib. Oh geez, I'm officially retired now.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, how the hell we feel in here on a
Tuesday morning? Huh Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Probably better than New York Jets right now? Geez nikes,
I mean out the game of beating.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Can I can I be the first to say this
though that I know it's easy to pick on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They got other problems.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And the line was awful last night, said why would
you pick on Zach Well?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Just it feels like that's the easy go to low
hanging fruit. Well, Zach Wilson if it was Aaron Rodgers,
I don't know, man, I.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Mean probably true, though.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Okay, you think the old line would protect better with
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I think that. I think that Aaron Rodgers would adapt
to what his protection is. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I mean, look, we only know if he's able to
come back this season and see it. I mean, here's
what we had. We had starting at left tackle, which
wasn't necessarily a plan a coming in the season. That's
always tough. The only player is Lakeland Tomlinson has started.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
At left guard.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's the only one who's been a consistency. Tipman, who
was drafted to play at center, played center last night
but has not been in that position before. Was a
Max Mitchell played right guard. He had originally started the
previous two games of right tackles, never played guard in
his life until last night, and then right tackle ended
up being.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Who's, off the top of my head, just make something up.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, I'm not going to mix something up. But it
was also the first start for the right tackle last night,
So you literally had a guy playing right guards, never
played right guard to first start ever at right tackle,
and Tipman, who's again drafted to play center, not necessarily
wanting to put him there yet, but then at that spot,
and then Beckton, who's not your option at left tackle.
I mean, it's not that surprising that when the game
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went up fourteen to nothing and you knew the Jets
had to do what they The Jets can win one
one way right now, running the football, good defense, don't
try to make it a shootout. Well, you're down a
couple scores early, and then as you continue to get
down a couple they're stayed down a couple scores. You
eventually have to start throwing the football more. That's just
not a formula for them to win right now. Even
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though Garret Wilson's a stud and even you know he
had a fumble last night, there's just too many mistakes.
I mean, they have to play a certain, specific, perfect
style of football in order to win.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Their defense is awesome.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Though the defense is good. Their defense plays well, but
you know what, the Chargers have a defense. They made
some big plays obviously showed that. The Philly I don't know.
I couldn't think of his name. That's who ended up
playing last night at right tick. What was his name,
Billy Turner. He was originally playing right guard at times,
then played right Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just
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think when you look on the sideline, I feel like
Robert Salah's look of frustration is always based off of
I don't have Aaron Rodgers that quarterback, and what would
we be if I did. That's what I feel like
I see when I see Robert Silow's face. It's just
like it wears such a level of frustration or disappointment
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when you see his face, and I think there's only
a few things that it could possibly be. When you
see that that type of posture or that type of look. Now,
that's just me old that it could be Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So you're putting all.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
On him like that. Huh, And I don't you know
it's I listen. I mean, I understand what you guys
are saying about the old line, and it's probably one
hundred percent correct, because y'all know, I like living in
my feelings, not in like truth or information or anything
like that. I just like to go off of what
my gut tells me.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Gus, Yeah, can I ask this question lost both of
you guys this because this is like Pete Prisco accuses
me of this. He feels like I make excuses for
quarterbacks all the time. He calls me the quarterback defender.
I don't think you make excuses for quarterbacks. However, I
do think that deep down inside, when there's a moment
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like this, you know that, regardless of anything, it's the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I think like it's on him.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I think what you do is you add nuance to
conversations about quarterbacks that most people are too lazy to
add themselves or don't have enough intimate knowledge of to
where if something's falling apart for an offense, and it's
easy to blame the quarterback. You will simply bring up
other aspects of it that maybe isn't being discussed or
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people don't know about, which finds interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
For what is worth, he had a better stat line
than Herbert. Yeah, he protected the ball. He didn't. He
did not throw in any.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Sex fumbles. It's like it's it's kind of tough. It
was an act of throwing. Like if that it happens
a half second later, the ball's probably out.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, it's just funny because Prisco always say he puts
on the sirens because he's like, here comes the quarterback.
Defenders come from the ambulance.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's because like everybody wants it to be a black
and white discussion of well, if they had a different quarterback,
it'ld be a completely different football team. Well not really,
like you remember that that whole thing years ago where
people would bury the Cleveland Browns because they didn't have
a first round grade on Carson Wentz reportedly and it
was like, well look what Carson Wentz was doing in Philly,
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and we're making the point on the air back then
Brady like hold on, put Carson Wentz on that no
win team for Cleveland that year.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How many more wins they get that too?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Like it just I just don't think people want to
take the time to have that discussion because it's a
quarterback driven league and they just assume, well, it's got
to be the quarterback Zach Wilson. Didn't cause Wilson to
fumble the football the punt return for the touchdown, like
the offensive line melting down, like some of that on him,
But it's not all on him. And he does look
like he's he's gotten better, like he does look like
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he's playing a little bit better with a little more compensated.
I get it, but it's not totally on him.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
They put up six points, I know, but it's like
I said this yesterday, like they'd have to maybe I
said in my notes, like they'd have to play a
perfect style to win.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I just thought they were getting on a role of
doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And on the flip side, West Coast teams comeing to
the East Coast typically don't.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Have much success.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That's the first team that Chargers beat, you know, that's
over five hundred. It's not like their wins of coming.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Against good football teams.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That was Yeah, so I mean, look, I just kind
of thought, and maybe I was more curious to see
what would happen if the Chargers dropped that one, because
obviously it feels like, you know, you got that like
Bunsen burner on and you get the flame low. But
if they'd lost that game, like all of a sudden,
you're ripping that thing up full speed and trying to
like you watched that reaction, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
What I'm talking about. You want you want to hear
Robert Sala. You want to hear Robert Sala. It's somewhere
in the middle of this. I don't think he meant
to take a dig at Zach Wilson. It's just the
way it sounded. But this is going to be what
people run with. I want to see if you guys
can identify where it is. This was Robert Sala, a
guy who Lebar Arrington waxed poetically weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, they did.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But I mean, I remember you talking a lot about
Robert Sala's skin, and just he does have good skin.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
He's grown his beard out.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Now, yeah it doesn't look like Xerxes anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
No, no, yeah there going full facial hair.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, it wasn't perfectly panicured beard too, though.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, you guys, tell me he doesn't look like
the guy from three hundred. I'm pretty sure this Jerseys,
You're right.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He's got to add some facial jewelry and you got
you got this.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Not often that you'd have someone like Brady Quinn having
like looks envy going on, you know what I mean. Like,
I didn't say us the problems of the not get
copying dudes out here.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I didn't say I'm envious.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, let's just keep it on.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I look at both of you guys, and I say,
f off. Both of you want to look at me
and f off. No, I do not that stuff. So
I look at you and I say, you're like, you're
like one grade ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
You're not copying off my paper in school. Let's listen
to Robert Salah and see if you can pinpoint what
people are going to think as a slight at Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Was this a step back for Zach?
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Robert, I don't know if you could say step back.
You know, there's like I said, there's it's all encompassing.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Obviously he's gonna want some things that he wishes he
could have done better. It's just a little bit of everything.
It's just one of those bizarre games. It's just every
time we had momentum, Like I said, just a self
inflicted poond wound.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Was it his best game?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Obviously?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Not?
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Was his worst game. No, I'm not gonna say it
was even close to his horse game. But I think
the entire offense, obviously we all could have been better.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So not even close to his worst game.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Translation, I just wish I had Aaron Rodd. He's like,
if y'all want me to tell you what I've do,
you really want to know what I'm feeling right now?
Why are you asking me about Zach when you know
I'm concerned about Aaron.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, he's uh, he's progressing. He's throwing the ball
pretty well, taking step dropbacks. He was he didn't need
a cart apparently to get into the stadium, you know,
just kind of hanging out.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He was throwing the ball fifty yards. Man, it's palming
that thing. I think the tough thing is they're four
and four, all right, you got nine games to play,
and you know, coming out of this game, I believe
they've got to play Las Vegas and then Buffalo back
to back weeks on the road, like if there was
ever a game you kind of needed to sneak up
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and win. Even though I think the Chargers are on
paper a better team, that was it. I mean, the
Raiders seem like they're playing inspired. I don't think they
have any shoppers Buffalo and Buffalo, and then they get
to host Miami, who got to be a huge game
for Miami in the context of the of the playoff
race Atlanta, Houston at Miami again and then Washington and Cleveland,
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New England. So the finish isn't too bad. And maybe
that's where you look at like a soft landing spot
of Rogers could come back, but it just it seems
like it would be it'd be too tough. And by
the way, this offensive line needs to get it self
in shape. Otherwise you're gonna be putting Aaron Rodgers in
grave risk by putting him back there.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But I'll just go back to the initial point.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I don't think throwing the football fifty times is your
game plan for success with this Jets team and only
running the ball through running backs eight times, Like that's
just not the formula you want. And I know they
got down early and they were down, basically trailed almost
the entire game. But I just I look at it
and I go, you know, it's it's not gonna help
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them ever win. If that's what they're formulas for success,
you can't do that.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, six points, man, it's not. It's going to be
a tough road to hoe if you can only put
up two field goals to try to be in a game,
especially being in November, where the teams that are going
to make their runs for the Super Bowl they have
to make those runs. They have to start becoming that
team right now, like you got to start seeing those
(11:20):
contenders play better football, more consistently, more inspired right now.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I mean, in fairness, it would have been twelve points
if cja Uzama would have caught that ball at the
end of the end zone, hit him right in the chest,
perfectly thrown ball by Zach.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now would that have mattered for any of the betters
out there?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
John's I'm not quite sure. I didn't have action on
the game, you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Know, Okay, so you didn't even look at the numbering
and look at the line and look at anything.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I didn't have any actions.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But I mean, once I saw the Chargers were a
three point favorite at closing, and I realized the Jets
aren't going to get within three.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It just didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
It still wouldn't matter. The over under closed at forty
one and the low was three.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So well, I mean, listen, it's it's unfortunate. What's happened
to the New York Jets. It's in primetime last night.
That's just a sad tale.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
The Chargers defense looked good, they feasted, Joey Bosa got
after it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What did they have?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Seven sacks?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Eight?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Eight sacks?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Jesus, how's Zach Wilson feeling today and tomorrow? Brady as
a quarterback who's been sacked eight times in a game.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Man, I mean probably like he uh, I guess I'll
put it this way because the trigger treat just occurred.
So imagine walking across the street and some kid just
runs right into you with his bike, you know, or
maybe a small vehicle sorts like a golf court or something.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Scooters these days, Yeah, scooters.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
He's coming full speed and just blast you. By the way,
this kid who's on the scooter, he's one of those
kids that you're like questioning if he's too big to
be on the scooter. You know, You're like, I don't
I don't know if he can that thing hold him?
Should he be on the Is he too big for
a scooter? But he blasts you with this scooter and
you're not looking, and not only does he hits you,
and that hurts. You hit the ground, then it hurts.
(13:00):
It's two hits, him hit you, you hit the ground.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
That's how you're waking up feeling the next day?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right, Keep cashing check sack, you're okay.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Like like how you got that black eye? You woke
up and you didn't know you was blindsided while you right, right,
because that's what's wor right, that's how that's how it works.
And you thought it was your kid. Blamed it on
the kid.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What are you trying to get?
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well, he was just doing kind of gymnastics with his truck, Jim, I.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Mean, he's not wrong. It's like that. You know, you
never you've never been laying there where your wife hits
you in your sleep.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
And it wakes you up to Yeah, it could be
an accident, but it could not have been an accident.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
She might have loaded up sort snorts.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I wish I had a better story, I really do.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I just yeah, a story you're telling at it either, Yeah,
it ain't it?
Speaker 5 (14:03):
A man? Ain't it? Listen doesn't pass the detector test,
you know, just is what it is. It's just the
detector testes.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
BS.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
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Speaker 4 (14:28):
So Larry Lage of the Associated Press reported yesterday, according
to the AP, that a former employee at a Big
Ten football program said Monday that his job was to
steal signs and he was given details from multiple conference
schools before his team played Michigan to compile a spreadsheet
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of play calling signals used by the Wolverines last year.
I basically other teams in the conference were like, all right,
so then we're gonna go ahead and get their signs
and use those as well too, which points to something
that Brady pointed out on this show a couple of
weeks ago, which I got a lot of pushback when
you said this goes on in a lot of places.
(15:11):
And here's a guy saying I gave this evidence over
to Jim Harbaugh and to Michigan because I didn't feel
like it was fair that they're being criticized and singled
out when you had a rogue assistant coach going out
and doing these things that have been done to Michigan
over the past year plus. And here's your evidence. So
(15:31):
now another layer to this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I want to be very clear with everything I'm about
to say next, Okay, and I'm hoping our friends at
Fox Sports ready on social media can actually clip this
off and include it. Okay. Just because I have said
that it goes on in other places, that doesn't mean
that I condone it. I'm just telling you what I know.
It's no different. And LaVar, I'll ask you this like,
(15:56):
do schools pay players outside of Nile when they were true?
Do the schools pay to schools or alums, etc. I
mean you know where it's coming from. Yes, Okay, that
has gone on forever. Is it illegal? Yes? Do teams
always get caught very rarely? All right? There are elaborate
(16:17):
schemes and ways in which they do it. I won't
go into depth. But also illegal, do we make a
big deal about it, no, because now we hide behind
well it's nil even nil's not being done in the
proper manner in some ways. But the NCAA doesn't have
the teeth to be able to punish them for that.
This is a little bit different. And the NCAA investigation
(16:38):
for this, I'm sure, well, if they have the actual
evidence of Connor stallions at opposing teams filming those signals,
filming sidelines that they'll be punished for it if they
have evidence of it, because you're not supposed to do
that based on a rule that was created back in
nineteen ninety four. But I want to be very clear,
just because I'm telling you that out there there are
(17:00):
schools who are going to pay players to get them
as recruits. I don't think it's a news flash to anyone.
I'm not condoning it, but I'm telling you what happens.
It goes on elaborate schemes. Okay, it's no different with
the signs stealing. And I've had people who are coaching
I've never heard Okay, you haven't heard of this. Okay,
this goes on to other schools and maybe not in
(17:22):
the same manner in which Michigan has done this, but
I know of coaches who are responsible for signs stealing
and doing this. There's the quote unquote analysts who aren't
even on your school's campuses, who are all throughout the
country that are able to go to other games and
see this and trying to steal signs. So look, I'm
not saying I'm not trying to defend Michigan in any way,
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but also I am trying to provide the perspective that
it goes on everywhere else too. There's a lot of
other ways in which people do it and coaches who
act like, oh, I know coaches who are trying to
say it doesn't go on that I'm like, I know
the guy who's doing it for y'all, so don't say
it doesn't go on because I know the coach he
was doing it. So my whole point is that I
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don't think it plays as big of an impact in
a game because one, let's just look at it this way,
as we talked about last year, when teams knew this
was going on. TCU, for example, some of the schools
that have been open about and say, well, we changed everything,
We changed our signals, changed our calls all that. Okay,
so then really, what benefit of having old signs and
(18:29):
things like that. How does that benefit you? Even if
they're an attempt at cheating, if they've changed everything and
they get it in game, they've got a guy who's
trying to steal signs, which, by the way, if you're
on the sidelines in game trying to steal signs, that's legal.
There's nothing wrong with that. And if the team changed everything,
they maybe figure out by a third, fourth quarter. Okay,
that's part of the gamesmanship that goes on, and that's
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allowed within the rules. But my point is, like taking
them from what they were the signals, being able to
confirm in game if those actually are the signals, and
then being able to throughout the course of the game
while teams are making adjustments, work it all out, so
you're making calls that are effective to execute against that,
it's hard to know exactly how big of an impact
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it has. What has a much bigger impact and what's
happening right now in college football, and in my opinion,
is a bigger issue than this is tampering. There are
schools in bigger schools or other schools that are competing
that are big schools with one another who're tampering with
kids on rosters. If I can grab a five star
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kid or another school star and offer him whatever amount
of money, which is one hundred percent inducement, is illegal,
is illegal within the rules, and I get that team
a kid on my team. That is way more of
an advantage than signce stealing. Yet we're making a big
deal about the Michigan signce stealing and because of the
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Connor Stallion's character and the success of Michigan and probably
how Jim Harbaugh has handled things and how he is
with the media anyway, and it's a big brand, when
the reality is that's not one of the biggest issues
that college football faces. Tampering is a much more widespread
issue as well that I think it plays a much
greater impact on teams and their ability to compete, where
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you have coaches on the field after games who are
offering kids money and I've heard firsthand from kids, So
that to me is a much greater issue that I
guess the NCAA doesn't want to investigate or doesn't want
to look through. And it's just a bit surprising to me. Look,
(20:40):
I'm not condoning any illegal activity that takes place in
any of these schools. But when you're looking at what
plays the biggest factors or issues with where the college
football game is right now, I don't think science stealing
is at the top of the list. And as I
said when his first came out, there is two simple
solutions to this. Okay, go to the coach the quarterback,
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where you just call the play in the quarterback's helmet
or bring back the huddle. A lot of teams will
huddle up and it takes away any ability whatsoever for
that team to get down their signals. If you put
on a risk band, you can signal in the plays
that way, and people are what about them stealing the
signals for the risk band. Well, first off, when you
got three hundred plays, two hundred plays, it's really hard
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to be able to steal that then because you're probably
only running a play maybe once, maybe twice. Okay, that's
hard to be able to do. And when you've got
people running out of huddles, you know with the play
there's no way of them stealing any of that. So
those are the two quick ways of completely eliminating any
advantage of the science stealing would have in the game,
and yet we don't see teams adapting to that. I
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wonder why. I wonder why that is. There are some
teams that have taken advantage of the sign stealing and
they feel like they don't want it to necessarily go
away because maybe it's played a huge advantage for them.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
So if this report from Lairlage is true, and you've
got he's sent over screenshots of other staffers at other
Big Ten schools who were corresponding about stealing Michigan signs,
If I'm Tony Pettiti and I've got all this stuff
and I've got these Big Ten coaches demanding that Michigan
be punished immediately, I'd say so. Apparently this was going on.
(22:21):
A bunch of people are involved. So here's what we're
gonna do. Everybody, cut the crap. We're starting clean. No
more of this garbage, and let's just continue with the season,
because there's no way you can just punish Michigan when
you've got every other school who was doing the same
thing to them. It just feels like you're going down
this slippery slope where you're singling out Michigan and not
(22:41):
accounting for everybody else.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Involved. Like, I just think, forget the point though you
got it, just forget real quick, just real quick. You
just have to assume that you'll know exactly why all
these things took place after Jim Harbaugh leaves Michigan. Like,
think about how many accusations, how many rule breaks, how
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many of these things that are being discussed, will be
discussed once Harball is not at Michigan, Like we'll know.
That's when we'll know for certain that there was an agenda.
It was pointed directly at the coach of Michigan. And
until he's not there coaching, you're going to continue to
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have all of these mysterious allegations and rule breakings and
all these different things. You bought a cheeseburger and you're
supersized it instead of just getting them a regular size,
and you bought it for the sister and the brother
and the uncle and the aunt, and now you're in trouble.
I think you'll will know exactly why all of these
(23:46):
things and all the speculation were the way that they
were when Harball isn't there anymore, because you're not going
to hear all of these things about Michigan once he's gone.
But while he's there, They're going to look for it
and every little thing that they can use to agitate
and facilitate and instigate movement with Harball. That's what I
(24:09):
think it is. I don't know where it's coming from.
I don't know if it's the school, which I don't
think at this point it would be the school because
why would you want to like cut your nose despite
your face. I don't know that it's necessarily the school,
but it is coming from somewhere because it's easy to
see that tampering and cheating. I mean, did you guys
(24:30):
see did you guys see the clip of coach Saban
after the game this past weekend where he gave the
player a hug on the field and he said, man,
you know you'd play a lot more if you were
with us like that. They caught that on.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Film, little flirting.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
They caught that on film, like you're telling the player
like I think it was the LSU player. Did they
just play LSU? Yeah, Okay, I think he says it
right on the field, like you know, you play more
with us? Like got it on film? Where's all the
outrage that's tampering? You're recruiting? So I think people pick
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and choose when they want to make stories bigger stories,
and there's always a reason why you want to make
that a bigger story. And it's clearly, it's clearly that
it's the coach that is the biggest focal point of
what's going on, and they're not going to stop until
they receive his resignation or the school is forced to
take action against them. That's what I think it is.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's a good point, and I was just going to
say on the Pasiti front again, Precedent is a word
that you hear often in contract negotiations and labor negotiations
and really in most cases just the business world. And
this is one where when your takeover as a conference commissioner,
you got to be careful about what you put on
(25:52):
your plate as far as what you're responsible for. Maybe
Tony Petiti wants this, Maybe he wants to appear to
have the type of control where he can punish code
in schools and teams for this. Maybe he wants to
build out a robust investigative arm of the Big Ten
in order to look into these sorts of matters and
not have it be an NCAA investigation. But I tend
(26:12):
to look at it and think, you know, be careful
what you wish for, because there's going to be always
unintended consequences when you open up I'll just call it
Pandora's box in the sense of, all right, you take
on this one issue, then that kind of opens up
speculation to well, where does it stop, Like if you
have all this power to punish Michigan for you know whatever,
(26:33):
you know, the sign stealing and what they were doing wrong,
where does it stop? Like, where does your ability to
punish a school, a coach, a player stop? And how
does it work in conjunction with the NCAA or does
it when as if there's different opinions, I mean, the
whole thing I think becomes, you know, candidly just a
mess because we haven't seen this before. And that's why
(26:57):
I've been an advocate for saying, look, let the NCAA
run its course until we get to a point where
the you know, group of five power five looks different
and the college football Playoff expands and there's maybe a
different entity that is overseeing all of this, you know,
separate from the NCAA. Then I think we can have
a conversation about what that the power of that person
(27:18):
looks like and what they're responsible for.
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Speaker 4 (28:10):
We got some good news for one team in the NFL.
That team is the Arizona Cardinals, who are right now
the worst team in the league, projected to pick number
one overall in the draft, but they're getting a couple
of key pieces back. This from Adam Schefter earlier James Connor,
the running back. They are opening the practice window for
him to return. He's been on injury reserve the past
(28:31):
four games, recovering from a knee injury. But that coupled
with the fact that Kyler Murray, their quarterback, their franchise guy,
gave the big money contract too. He has not played
a game since last December, and barring any setbacks this week,
he will get the start on Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons.
So Week fourteen of last year, last time he saw him,
(28:54):
he goes down with the injury, he recovers. Now he's
back for Arizona, they find them is a two point
underdog against those Atlanta Falcons coming up this Sunday, and
it feels like this back half of the season for
Kyler Murray he could be playing for his future in Arizona,
because if this doesn't go well, they're probably looking at
(29:15):
a quarterback atop the draft.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Next year potentially potentially. I mean they sound like they're
really committed to him, and contractually, I believe past this year,
it wouldn't be that easy to move on from him
next year. I mean you'd be thinking more via a trade,
not so much cutting him. So that's I think some
of the issue with that. But I don't know. I'm
(29:39):
excited to see him get back in there and play.
He's an exciting player, but he's got a long term deal,
and you know, in twenty twenty four, I believe the
dead cap hits like eighty one million, so it's gonna
be a couple of years, I think before they can
potentially move on from him. This isn't to take away
from Josh Thabbs, who knows if he had more time
to prepare for the season. But I think if you're
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looking at Kler Murray as an upgrade at quarterback, the
way this team's competed and played, if Murray can win
them a few games, who knows how it would have looked,
you know, the rest of the season would have looked.
The way this team's played like, they've hung in there. They've,
you know, as the seasons were on, kind of kind
of you know, almost I want to say fall by
the wayside, but they've had some issues, but I think
they're very much capable of competing and winning some football
(30:22):
games if he's going to be able to get back
up to one hundred percent. But again, I don't think
they're going to move on from him, and I don't
think they're gonna be able to find a trade partner
for him even next year. His cap hit next year's
fifty almost fifty two million.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, I think that's the key is he's I don't
think he's tradable. Yeah, not un til twenty twenty five.
Probably correct. But I would say to add to your
point in some regards, you could actually look at the
the idea of Kyler Murray's value being established right now
with him not being in lineup right. This is competitive
(31:00):
team when he's healthy and he's upright, and and you know,
we always make the joke, oh, look he looks like
Super Mario out there running around and stuff like that,
and he looks like he's in Fast Forward or whatever
it may be. But to that point, Kyler Murray has
always really had this team competitive when he's starting, and
(31:21):
now you're looking at a team that's really really struggling
without his services. So that could go to drive the
point home that you know what, we we did get
it right with Kyler Murray. The only knock on Kyler
Murray was one. It's questionable as to how the team,
you know, the players may have felt about him in
the locker room, which is speculative, you know, a speculation,
(31:44):
and that he really enjoys his video games more than
anything else. If those are the two criticisms, I think
both are correctible criticisms. Nothing that's falling on the way
he plays the game. And so to me, you're looking
at a team that is struggling. If you're high up
in the draft ranks and and you you're you're getting
(32:07):
a pick of picks, why wouldn't you think about getting
a compliment to what Caler Murray brings to the table.
Get get a good wide receiver, you know, beef up
your offensive line, like, do one of those things.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I wonder if this is going to end up being
a blessing in disguise for him, because there was the
knock on him that you know, maybe football wasn't hit
you know, the first priority that maybe he video games. Yeah,
the video games, all that other stuff that was going on.
I wonder if this is the first real injuries had
to deal with, and he's had to stare his own
mortality in the eyes and be like, man, I kind
(32:44):
of like this, and I appreciate it more now than
maybe I thought I ever would because I lost it
for so long, and he.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Might have threw his remote control, you know, and it's
his gaming chair and through his gaming chair across the room.
You know, let me at this for you.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Though, in regards to Murray, like we tend to forget
the type of production that he's had as a player,
Like if you kind of throw out last year, which
a little bit became a dumpster fire, and he obviously
wasn't even to play the entirety of the season, and
so who knows how things would have turned out. But
in the previous three years he's thrown north of thirty
seven hundred yards, all right, Like, that's what he's giving you.
Every single year. He's gonna throw somewhere around twenty three
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twenty four touchdown passes. He's gonna run in because he
is a tremendous athlete. He's gonna run in another I
don't know based on some of those stats. It kind
of has varied, but for the most part, you're going
at least five six you know, in a second, you're
hit eleven rushing touchdowns, but somewhere over four hundred yards rushing.
Five hund yards rushing you could throw onto that. He's
(33:44):
got a two to one touchdown interception ratio. He's completed
sixty seven percent of his passes like that, you can
win with that. Like that's a quarterback. That's a franchise,
consistent quarterback in the league. It's just, you know, I
don't know. I mean, he was a two time Pro
Bowl I don't know that this you know, roster was
built to the point where they when they made the
(34:05):
playoffs and they were all ultimately going to be able
to compete the way maybe the ownership in front office
thought they would. But the way this group is playing
right now, and if they get better quarterback play, I
think they could be competitive. I'm not sure how many
games are go win this year, but as they continue
to build, like I give him a shot at.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
His best, he's a top three to five quarterback in
the NFC.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's fair. Yeah, I think statistically you can make that
argument based on what he's done and up until last year.
I continue to see this like they were building towards that,
Like he got better and better and better with each
season as he played like you could see that statistically,
you could see that with the way their team played.
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And then last year was just kind of like the
what the hell happened there?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But as an offensive rookie of the Year in year one,
two time pro bowler after that, he had been everything
you wanted to be, and then they had that kind
of all in your last year. It just it didn't
work out. And I you know, I think what they're
building now Jonathan Gan, at least early on, it looks
like this could be a team that's competitive. It might
surprise a lot of people if he comes back as
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healthy can play the way we've seen in the past.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I mean, how about you and I trying to provide
some optimism for the Cardinals and supporting Kyler Murray and
LaVar's got him throwing his gamer chair, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Trying to I mean, that was optimism. It's like it's
like a Rocky movie, right, Like you're you're in there
and you're retired, but then you're watching and you see
Apollo Kree get the life knocked out of them, and
then you're like, the hell with this game? Why am
I playing these video games? Why am I why am
I just letting my life just get away from it?
(35:44):
And then you throw your chair and then you you
throw your remote control, and then you start watching film
and they played rocky music, and then you start doing
push ups and sit ups and stretching exercises to make
this right. There you go, there you go. I'm just saying, man,
you know, I'm just saying, like he heard that little voice.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
In his head.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
You know you play video games, don't you. Yeah, He's
got all these voices coming at him. And and then
you know, and then he gets in shape and you
guys all know what happens. Next. He goes to the
top of one of those mountains that he's he's hiking
in Arizona, and he looks over and he goes, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like n f C. He's got his VR goggles on
playing n f C.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
There it is n f C.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
And then and then he comes out of the tunnel
and then he commenced to like womping ass. Then Arizona
wins out the rest of their games the rest of
the year.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Now would he be listening to this or the Super
Mario Brothers theme?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Which do you think?
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Do we have the Super Marios thing he'd be super Mario.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Well, it's a video game theme. You know, LaVar's got
him as a gamer, not really a football player.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I didn't say he's a gamer not really a football player.
I said what was stated in his contract. Uh oh
uh oh. See this this song along with the clause
of putting an extra amount of time studying your plays
versus playing video games. This was the song.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Can you imagine if he had this on, like getting
getting back into shape like he's doing, you know, two
hundred and twenty five pound lunges across the weight room
floor and he's got this banging on the speakers.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
No, he's going to use a pool like he's going
to be running. He's going to be jumping over things
like lawn chairs and lounger chairs and spinning around umbrellas
and then jumping into the pool of water and then
getting out of there and then jumping over something else
and then he's going to land on it and it's
going to make those noises and yeah, he's like real
life Mario brother.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Just you know, this is terrible what you've done to
the man. He's trying to come back from injury.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
I'm giving you said I was being negative saying he
only plays games.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Don't put this still, put this on LeVar, all right, thanks,
just said things in the past too, so I haven't
sitting on the curves feet dangling.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
It's the best one ever, by the way, the best
one ever.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
He said that.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Jonas like taking out of context.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Listen, that's exactly what you saw.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Man sitting on the bitch kicking his feet like coach,
la la la la la la.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You you put this on LeVar and that this has
been you, so.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Hey, somebody will be off this bitch.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
So I could go in the gate, hide and go
seek behind a donut hole. I would never say anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Brought up what other sport you could play? Because I
was just louting to baseball. What did you say?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I don't recall, Yeah, you do.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You just read Santanita. Geez, that's what this is, what
your words.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Dude, I don't recall. I'm rooting for Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Caler Murray gave new meaning to him going to hang
out in the crib. Oh geez, I'm officially retired now.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
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