November 10, 2023 • 38 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the Bears beat the Panthers in a stinker on TNF. A secret recording between Lane Kiffin and a former player leads to a discussion about mental health. Plus, a deep dive into what looks like Bill Belichick’s shirtless walk of shame.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Come on, who's yeah? You know, I'll say this, of
all the football games I've seen on a Thursday night before,
that was one of them. That's for sure. That that
was Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Man, oh man, oh, what a joke?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What a joke.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What about the two teams to play?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, well the Bears, you know, they won last night,
and they won potentially the first overall pick or maybe
you've gn a better chance of getting it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hey, I'll say this. There were no turnovers, so if
you're into turnover free football, there there was that positive.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It reminded me a little bit of Iowa football. A
lot of punt scoring on too. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
By the way, have you seen the total for the
Iowa Rocks game this weekend? Is it twenty eight? Keep
setting records to be over under?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Was it twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Last I saw? Sam? What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, Rutgers has a good defense too, so yeah,
it's gonna be like thirteen.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Rutgers is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, they've survived pretty good. Yeah, well, listen, we'll get
to Rutgers in Iowa with a full comprehensive breakdown coming up.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I mean, that's more interesting than the game last night.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh you weren't You weren't fascinated by the guy Sam
calls Beigent Orange Tyson Beigent, Yes, and yes he used
it and Bryce Young going uh monoy mono last night
and that that slugfest at Soldier Field.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Thought it was so interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I know, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I thought it was more interesting to see them highlighting
his father, you know, doing his over the top action.
You know, I thought that was really you know, did
we have that in the over unders in terms of
if that would happen how many times or would they
talk about his dad arm wrestling?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I think we missed on that one.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Should by the way, that story is getting a little
played out now, it's like we get it. Yeah, Do
we need to be reminded every single time that he
arm wrestled when we see.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Him, Yes, because it's more interesting than the game.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Look, he's done well, man, His son's been in a
spot where he's stepped up and he's helped the Bears offensively,
you know, get some wins. You know, the Bears are
kind of hanging around with three wins, right, I'm not
really sure how you described that team.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right now, Like the bigger story to me isn't so
because look, Justin Fields is probably is most likely going
to be back next week. And Tyson Bagent for where
he came from and his backstory and all that stuff
to playing quarterback in the NFL, it's awesome, and you
know he's he's done well enough to where you know,
and you made the point on this, I think after
his first game, Brady like he's gonna set himself up
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for you know, a contract here or there around the
league moving forward, like he's gonna make a little bit
of money and get to play in the NFL, probably
as a backup. But he's shown well enough that he's
going to have that opportunity, if you know, throughout the
next couple of years of his career, whether it's in
Chicago or anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So one hun, I mean, he's showcased the ability a
to get his shot the way he played in the preseason,
then now how he's playing the regular season and the
other thing. And this is going to come off is
probably controversial to some people, but given where he's come
from and given that he's not like a you know,
a first round picker, a kind of bigger name guy
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to college teams will look at him and they'll like
him better as a backup because he's not gonna be
threatening to whoever the starter is. That's just the truth.
They want their room oftentimes to be very you know,
specific as to who's got what job. They don't want
them to be gray area. They want to be you're
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the backup, you're the starter. They wantever they'd be copeaceetic,
and when it's not, sometimes like those guys won't get
along and it could be kind of an interesting dynamic
in there. So that's the other thing that he's got
going for him is because of this performances and all that,
he's gonna have a shot. He's gonna be able to
play for a long time if he continues to do
this in preseason and spot work. But the other thing
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is is just the background, like they'll say, hey, he's
a great backup for us. We'd love this guy. We
want every team would want a backup like this, right,
he'll start of get that sort of tag and that'll
help him play for a long long time in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Did you feel that way about Bryce Young when you
were watching Now.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, no, that's a different story right now. You know
what reminded me of It reminded me of Trevor Lawrence
his rookie year. You know, a lot of people Trevor
is the number one overall pick, and people started to
kind of go, oh my gosh, maybe he's not Maybe
this isn't gonna work, maybe he's not like you. Hear
a lot of that right now. I mean, Jonas was
texting me that. I mean, there's a lot of people
(05:01):
who I'm not sure buying into whether or not Bryce
Young can beat the quarterback that they're hoping he's going
to be. So it's so you think he can be.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You do think he can be, though this is just
a rocky, a bumpy, bumpy start.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, I'd say this. I think, much like Jacksonville, he
needs a lot of help around him. You know, Jacksonville
went continued to build out around Trevor Lawrence. You know,
they went and traded for Calvin Ridley, who's Jonas' favorite player,
who you know, lost on a parlay which unfortunately caused
me suspended for a year, you know, and and not
even that he's had like the biggest impact on the
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team right now. But if you look at what they
did around that roster, you know, with him, they continually
built around him. So I think it's something very similar
that Carolina needs to do to help him out because
their offensive line isn't where it needs to be and
they don't have enough weapons on the outside to help
him either.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So my thing on the Bryce Young stuff. And by
the way, Frank Reich spoke postgame about Bryce Young's performance
and talked about his quarterback. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
He made a couple of key fourth down conversions, you know,
made some good plays in the clutch to kind of
keep us in it and give us a chance at
the end. I thought he did some good things that
I really did. You know, we have to be better.
It's so easy to put it all in the quarterback,
and that's just not the case.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
We all have to be.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Better other than Adam Theelen. What does he got, Like seriously,
like what does he have around him? Like they don't
really run the ball, like they don't you know, it's
Adam Theelen and you know, you hope somebody else can
make a play, and it's not to say that he's
playing well, but I just look at it and I go, dude,
the cupboard's pretty bear there, and it's gonna it's gonna
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take a little bit longer than I think a lot
of people expected or were hoping for from a number
one pick who's in a bad situation.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They hold on, hold on, Jonas. I want to ask you, guys,
we just heard Reich give give praise to to Bryce
and said everyone needs to do better. And a large
topic of conversation that we were having was about reichs
his job security. Where do you can't saying like that?
(07:11):
Where do you think that leaves Reich right now?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, let's let's talk about the decision, because ultimately that's
really what I think people are going to question when
you're a head coach and you make certain decisions and
you don't make others. And throughout the course of the drive,
they converted what two fourth downs before I think the
fourth ten, and he opted to kick a fifty nine
yard field goal instead of trying to go for it
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on fourth and ten. Now, I don't have an analytics
book in front of me, I would imagine that fourth
and ten is pretty unlikely you're going to be able
to get it, But I would say it's probably equally
as unlikely you're going to make a fifty nine yard
field goal on the road.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And twenty was the the odds of making the kick
in that spot.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I saw the numbers twenty percent for a fifty nine yarder,
which didn't seem to I don't think that's even as high,
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
With you, I know that's just what they were on
the screen. So who knows could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, the other thing, like, here's the other thing. Is
like a fourth and ten for the Panthers and there
are chances of getting that is probably not as high
as a fourth and ten for the Chiefs, right, So
how are we compiling our data? Right? It's just like
general league data that we're flashing on a screen. Like
Matt Prater, who's hit probably with the most fifty plus
yard field goals, who's currently kicking right now for Arizona
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in the league. His fifty plus yard kicks or sixty,
you know whatever versus someone else's is probably a lot different.
So I always think it's kind of interesting depending on
what stats were using, Like, how does that really apply
to the Panthers. But the point is, in that instance,
I think you probably are saying, like, yeah, I know
we need a field goal to tie, But I mean
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Kirkirbsry brought this up the third and ten play before.
That's on Bryce. He's got to see the dropper Sandborn
dropping out. But I also thought the play call was interesting.
It wasn't a play It was a play call to
get the first down, not try to get half back.
So it led you to think that they felt like
they were going to take a shot for a field
goal there if they didn't get the third down conversion,
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which you know, that's that's on Frank Reich. He knows
his team, he knows what they're capable of. So uh,
it's hard to second guess ahead coach that. When you
look at how the plays the play calling worked out,
it seemed like they already made that decision to kick
on third down, and when a fourth down came up,
there wasn't any indecision. They were like, oh, nope, we're
close enough, let's take the shot. I would have probably said,
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now we need to be a little bit closer here.
Let's let's try to go for a fourth and little
have to it's just a tough kick man.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Yeah, especially so in so what so what does it
mean if that's on right and Wright says they have
to be better and we know what temper brings to
the table as an owner, I mean, does this It
clearly doesn't help.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But how much how much more time do you think
he has?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I would be surprised if David Tepper lacked the ability
to read the room so much that he just got
rid of Frank Reich after one year, like if he
hasn't figured out in the NFL, like, hey man, this
isn't easy. It's going to take a little bit of time,
unless he just looks at it and goes, well, you
know everybody here, like Steve Wilkes when he was the
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interim last year. So maybe we should have just kept him.
But I find it hard to believe he would move
on from Frank Reich after one year. But all the
things that have happened there this year lead me to
believe that that's a real possibility, which is kind of
wild that you've got an impulsive owner already. We thought
we got we got rid of Dan Snyder and all
the other changes that went on with him throughout the
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course of the organization that we've laid out on this show.
And now you've got David Tepper and the Carolina Panthers
who aren't even willing to give Frank Reich any real time. Here,
He's got one year, he's got a rookie quarterback, a
rookie quarterback with nothing around him, and unless I see results,
you're out of here. It just after the Matt rule debacle.
I just I don't get it. And it seems like
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we that might really be a possibility at this point.
It's weird. It's a weird spot for end to be in.
But listen, could be worse, all right, you could. You
could be losing your first pick. Oh never mind, they
already did so that picks gone Chicago Bears. That's a
wrap on that one. Also, how about the fact that
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in that spot when the Bears had the ball and
third down, I thought for sure they were going to
run it and just play the clock and that and
Luke gets he calls up a pass play and Tyson
bage it picks up the first down in what probably.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Was mean threaded the needle there to Moony and moons
a shot, by the.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Way, I mean, why, why is he not running the
ball there, like, just grind the.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Clock down, because that's what the Bears do.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, the Bears don't grind it out. They go win
the football game. That's what you should be proud as
a Bears fan.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What that is. You know what they did. They turned
the hat, they flip the switch, and they went over
the top.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, great call, that is a great call. I'll tell
you what. I'll claim the Bears as soon as they
get good again. It's like having a friend who's a
drug addict. You know, he could be your best friend
in the world. Second that guy gets into crystal meth.
When he shows up, it's like, I don't know that guy.
So as soon as they get good again, clean up,
get your act together, and I'll start claiming the Bears again.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You'll support your friend and neat.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
No, I don't attain at a certain point. You got
stuff to do. I can't worry about it. It's not
my problem. But here's what is our problem here? Because
we got a little bit of an issue because we
got a three hour show. We got a three hour show,
and it's you know, well, I mean it's an issue
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because we haven't addressed it at this point, and it's
the biggest story going on on this show thus far.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Today.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Every Friday, it's a football Friday.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, come on Friday.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's Friday.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Good Yeah, Yeah, Okay, Sam slee.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Here Friday, Football Friday on Saints there saying come on
week Friday, come.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
On, come on, come on, come on. Hey. Yeah. I
don't get that's say you say. It's the big, big
ten football. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
There you go, big, there you go. All right, Sam,
that's enough. That's enough that one. We got to take
them back. We got to take them back.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
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It's Friday. Come on Football Friday.
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
We've got the very latest controversy in the world of
college football. It involves a head coach and it involves
a player, and this one's all sorts of interesting. Here's
the backstory at all this because there's a lot here.
Attorneys for ole Miss and head coach Lane Kiffen filed
a notion to have a lawsuit against them dismissed. The
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lawsuit was filed in September by former ole Miss defensive
tackle Dessanto Rawlins, who said he was kicked off the
team for missing practices and meetings during a mental health crisis.
This from ESPN. The lawsuit alleges that Lane Kiffen intentionally
took adverse action against Rawlins on account of race for
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requesting to take a mental health break, but not taking
adverse action against white student athletes. It also alleges sexual
discrimination on the basis that ole Miss has not taken
adverse action against female student athletes for requesting and taking
a mental health break. And furthermore, there's some audio of
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the interaction between Lane Kiffen and Dessanto Rawlins. This via
Front Office Sports. This apparently took place back in February
or March.
Speaker 10 (16:00):
If you would have come here when you kept getting
messages the head coach wants to talk to you, and
you saying I'm not ready to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I wasn't What where wld you live in? What you
let me disrespect? We get out of here. Go go
You're off the team if you're done. See ye see you?
Because I see you, go go and guess what.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
We can kick you off the team. So go read
your rights about mental health. We can kick you off
the team for not showing up when the head coach
has to meet.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
With you and you don't show up for weeks, Okay,
we can.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Remove you from the team. It's called me to put
hiking behind and not showing up or all right, So
that is the the back and forth there.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So now, of course you know, we've got mental health involved,
We've got a forty million dollar lawsuit involved, We've got
lane Kiff in an ole miss filing for it to
be dismissed. A lot of stuff happening there with that
back and forth between lane Kiff and Dessanto.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, I think what you're getting is, I think you're
getting a peak behind the closed doors of just the
difficulties for players who are dealing with mental health issues
and also I guess you'd say the coaches that are
having to deal with it too. It's a very complicated
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situation because in some instances you have people who are
battling stuff which only they truly know what they're dealing with.
But on the other side of things, there's procedural things
that you're asked to do as a student athlete, and
there's healthcare, and there's resources that are provided for you
to help you through these things. And I think the
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tough thing is for young people is if you were
supposed to, you know, do X, Y and Z, and
if you're battling with something and you have these resources
or you have these things to get some help, but
you don't take advantage of it, or you don't follow up,
or you don't communicate. It becomes hard then for I
think people to sit there and say, like, well, what's
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going on? You know? And that's why I think it's
like we're gonna so many people are gonna be quick
to judge and quick to rush to make a decision
on how they feel about Lane kiffing in this instance,
or what should happen with the Santa Rolins. I mean, look,
it's a three star war crew who's been there now
for what I think a couple of years if I'm
not mistaken, or a few years. A defensive lineman who
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I think has played three games in his career since
he got there in twenty twenty. And you know, I
don't know what he's what he's battling with, you know. Again,
only he kind of knows that. But clearly it sounds
like from the audio, which we don't even know if
it's edited. Like one thing I could tell you is,
you know, depending on the audio that was released, like
we don't know if that's permitted, you know, in this lawsuit,
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if that's a part of that that discovery process, if
it's been edited in any way. We don't know if
there's any more to the conversation, and so I would
just cautioning people when you hear this sort of thing
not to rush the judgment of anyone involved because we
don't know. But I'm curious about more of just you
know what things. Did he not take advantage of that?
It seemed like Lane Kiffen was talking about I mean,
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if a guy's battling something, but as a head coach,
you don't see him for three four weeks, and yeah,
you might know of it, but he never returns like
he's asking if you're okay. He's asking if you're okay.
You don't have the you know, you don't want to
meet with him, you don't want to text him back,
you don't want to call him back. You're putting the
coach in a really, really tough spot. He's trying to
prepare for season when football games take care of eighty
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four other scholarship guys, one hundred other guys, and you're
not even you know, regardless of what you're dealing with,
you don't have the decency at least text him back,
communicate back, go meet with them, the guy that you
committed to and de sign up to go play for.
So I just think there's a lot to these stories
that we kind of get quick to rush the judgment
and take one side. But I hope people are patient
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for more of like facts to come out because it
sounds like something like this gets put out to the
media that it's something that's more built forwards helping to
get a settlement to make them like this go away.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I had a couple thoughts on it. My first question
was when did that conversation take place? Was that was
that during season or was that out of season? And
it was March, so it was not in season, all right,
So here's here's what I would say the first The
first thought I had was you can't go. You can't
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go an extended amount of time and expect that a staff,
especially the head coach, when wanting to understand what's going
on with the situation like this, there's going to be
two things that take place. You're going to talk to
your your staff like the doctor or the you know,
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the resident person that handles those type of situations, and
generally you're going to talk to your head trainer. So
if it falls outside of the realm of what your
head trainer is able to do. There's someone that they
have to talk to in these instances to figure out
what's the proper protocol. So in that respect, in that regard,
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I'm wondering how much of the other staff members because
this really does fall outside of a head coach's scope
of work. Right A head coach is not supposed to
be a psychologist or or someone who handles, you know,
someone who says they're they're having mental health issues. Now,
with that being said, you're leaving things up to to
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chance as the player if you do not take the
request just because now, and I want people to understand this.
Unless this man was unless they had to come get him,
like they had to literally come get him and take
him in for help because of how severe the mental
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health health issues that he was dealing with were. Unless
that's documented, there is absolutely no excuse to not go
meet with your head coach. In fact, in fact, I
would I would say, if you are having mental health issues,
you go see your coach, even if it's your position coach.
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So I wonder where that that information lies. Did is
there any information of him going to talk with his
assistant like his position coach. Was there any type of
communication in regards to what he was going through and
how he could be assisted, because to me, it doesn't
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make sense to say, well, I had mental health, so
I went I went missing for three.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
To four weeks.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
If if you've gone missing for a week as a
scholarship player, a week, there's going to you have to
that's going to be addressed. That's not like, oh, we
got to three weeks that, well, where's he at. It's
being it's being looked at, and it's being addressed long
before two to three weeks go by. So with all
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that space in between, what was the communication? What was
the line of communication before you get to the conversation
of the audio that was released, So that would be
my biggest question.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So the conversation they had which led to this is
that in late February, Kiffen told Rawlins that he was
going to move him to defensive move from defensive tackle
to the scout team's offensive line because he wouldn't transfer,
and then you know, they had a back and forth
and then Rawlins just disappeared. So he left for three weeks,
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three three and a half weeks. The football staff tried
to get a hold of him throughout that time several
times to meet with lane Kiffin and discuss everything further,
and he just no showed, he wouldn't respond, he would
answer me.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's a courtesy for him to even have had at
that conversation with lane Kiffin. That's a courtesy because and
that Lane Kiffin does not owe that kid a meeting
after it being handled that way. He doesn't even owe
him a meeting handling it. If what you're saying is
one hundred percent accurate, he doesn't even owe that kid
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a meeting, and you could just move on and just
move on from a kid like that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Part and part of the conversation they had, and apparently
this is also recorded as well too, is that lane
Kiffin told him, listen, when I was trying to meet
with you, it wasn't to talk about your position or
making you change positions, like lane Kiffen was telling him,
like I was trying to talk to you about what's
going on, like where's your head at, where's everything at?
And the guy just kind of ghosted him like didn't respond.
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So for me, I just look at it and go
the courtesy aspect, like there's hard conversations that happen with
your boss, your parent, coaches, et cetera. And I understand,
like mental health is a real thing. It should be
taken seriously. Everybody knows that everybody's dealing with something and
you can't just dismiss it just on the grounds of, well, no,
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I need you to be here at this time. But
at the same time, if somebody is trying to get
through to you and there's an obligation there, you got
to like, you got to meet me halfway. Like I
can't just understand what you're going through if I can't
even get you on the phone or have a conversation
about it. And that's where you lose me with the
whole forty million dollars because you weren't sensitive enough to
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my emotions.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I think the other thing people have to understand and
realize is and Lvar, you might know this, this might be.
This is probably different than when we were in school.
You know, when you committed and signed to go to
a school, like you were there, like your commitment was
for four years at least of your eligibility. Now it's
changed where it's like a one year and every year
it's like a renewal of that agreement to go there,
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and within that agreement, you know, you have certain things
you have to abide by as a student athlete if
you want to continue to honor your scholarship and be
provided the resources that you're provided at that university. And
that's why I think in the clip you can hear
a little bit of it, but Lane Kifvin tells him
go back and read it like it. Obviously things have
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evolved to the point now where it does factor in
mental health those sorts of issues and physical health issues,
and it doesn't negate a player from not abiding by
those responsibilities or what his duties are within that agreement.
That's core. So so that's where to Lvar's point, like
that should probably be the first person you go talk to.
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I mean, a lot of these young men look at
a head coach as a father figure and it's going
to come off as man. That's that's really tough for
really critical of a guy you know, or a coach
saying that to a player going through a tough time.
But you also probably don't understand the background of all
this with Jonahs just laid out. When there's prior discussions
about position changes there's other things the factor into it,
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and he's asking about the well being of this kid.
And if all that stuff's recorded and hopefully it comes
out and discovery it can provide greater greater clarity to
the situation. But either way, then when you follow it
up with a forty million dollar you know, lawsuit, you're going, okay,
it makes you so much more skeptical about it because
(27:17):
you know, a you can see why, like Lane Kiffin
was trying to give him an opportunity to play, just
on a different side of the ball. Otherwise, maybe he's
not going to Old Miss anymore, maybe he's going to
a smaller school to play. He's got to transfer, portal
those things he can utilize and if he's just then
kind of trying to use it because he feels like,
you know, the coach coached them hard and had some
(27:38):
things to say to him. That happens probably in a
lot of teams across the country.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You know, he's not the first. Every team, Yeah, every team.
You're going to have disappointments with players on every team.
That's just what it is. That's part of competition, that's
part of playing a sport is understanding that sometimes it
doesn't work out exactly the way that you would like
it to work out. Look at Jason Cabinda, like he
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was a linebacker at Penn State and a hell of
a linebacker at Penn State, goes to the Pros, goes
to the Pros as a linebacker, but you know what,
to make it onto the roster, he was moved to fullback.
He is now a fullback in the National Football League
and has been able to do it for a couple
of years now. Sometimes a coach will will see something
(28:31):
and they're going to make a decision off of what
they see. Now, why he put him on scout team?
Where was going to put place him on scout team
on the on the opposite side of the ball of
what he was there for to do. That's immterial. If
the team was needing him as a Scout team player
and a Scout team player as an offensive line then
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you know what you should do. You should do it.
I'm going to ask for clarity while I'm doing it.
I'm not going to not do anything at all and say, well,
I didn't do it. I'm not doing anything at all.
You're not playing me. I'm being moved to Scout team
and being moved to scout team on the offensive side
of the ball. Who knows that might have You might
(29:14):
ended up being a much better player being an offensive
lineman than being a defensive lineman, and that might have
been what salvage and prolonged your career. Now, if you're
going through mental health issues because of that, if you're
going through mental health issues because of that, then he
had better have some really really good documentation of having
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those conversations and going through the exercises, the proper not
your own, the proper protocols and exercises of what you
do when you're having that type of issue. And that
would have still meant doing it through the team, and
they would have briefed Lane Kiffen on what was going on.
It sounds like to me Lane didn't know what was
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going on and wanted to have a conversation with the
kid about what was going on. If you have mental
health issues, you gotta get your mental health issues addressed.
You don't go disappear. You want to get them addressed,
and you have to get them addressed. What are you
doing about your classes, what are you doing on your
daily living? All those things have to be addressed. So
(30:20):
It doesn't make it doesn't add up to me where
you say, oh, it's justified to say I was treated.
I was mistreated based upon race. I was mistreated based
upon my gender. When you weren't cooperating, it sounds just
like a classic situation of you're pouting and you're not cooperating,
and even if you're pouting, you still cooperate. It just
(30:43):
sounds like it wasn't. The young man, unfortunately for him,
did not handle the situation the right way. He did
not go through the proper, proper channels in terms of
how he handled it in order for him to be
looked at in a way where what he's saying is
it it's valid.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
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Speaker 2 (31:12):
Did you guys see and we have to talk about this,
there's a walk of shame doorbell door cam video of
Bill Belichick somewhere in Nantucket. Do you see this? This
video that's out where Bell.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Is single now from all indications.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So there's a video that serves where Belichick's not wearing it,
or somebody that looks a lot like Belichick is not
wearing a shirt as they stumble out of somebody's door
and it's caught on the ring camera or the doorbell
camera that is there. It looks just like him. All right,
gun to my head, that's Bill Belichick. And I'm just wondering,
(31:55):
how's this get out?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
But Bill Belichick needs love and too.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You know, if you're single and you're as successful as
Bill Belichick is, what's I mean, what fun is it
to have success if you can't reap the benefits are
a successful person.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I kind of love the fact too, that, like, you know,
he's shirtless walking out like its just it's kind of
amazing if it is indeed him, Oh, because he's so
buttoned up in so many other facets and ways like
the game of football. But it's like, yeah, but he'll
still pull a walk of shame like anyone else.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It's I love I love humanity. You know, It's just
people are.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Great the same at the end of the day. We're
all the same.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Hey, let me tell you something. I hope it's true.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
It is that it looks like him. Yeah, Plus to
build in like the chests.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You're like, okay, what was that supposed to be? Barrel chest?
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How do you know all of these these d tell.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Bill through sweatshirt and you're like, okay, it kind of
looks like him. It looks like him.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Is there sound on that now? Not? I mean, look,
is it that hard to think that whoever it was
probably said it to someone else who then sent it
to someone else off their ring door.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Camp, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I mean unless there's someone that like randomly hacked into
it knowing that Bill Belichick might be there, like that seems.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
A little lot. I mean, well, Bill Belichick is old
enough where somebody like maybe he was dealing with somebody
who you know, has other people in the house. They
might be upset or bragging about it. I think it
could be a couple of different things as to the
reason why that was leaked out. You know, do you
think this is like a younger like, okay, I just
(33:45):
I think it could be a parent. It could be
a parent, So it could be a kid like, hey,
Bill Belichick just left my crib look at.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
This, or it could get my orange juice this morning,
right right.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
It could be an ex husband, you know of a
current husband, could be a boyfriend, a current boyfriend, like
anybody that would release that like you're either bragging or
you're or you're upset and you're you're charged up that
Bill Belichick would. What if he's stepping in your cookie jar?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right? What was if he's just trying to be more
relatable to Robert Craft?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
All great call, Well.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I don't think that would even be more relatable because
at least he was out of residence well and all.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, and also and also there's no there's no neon
lights on the outside.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Of the yea, there's no red lights. We don't we're open,
we don't. We don't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
All we saw was the perspective from the door, and
don't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
So you're saying that they had a ring on on
orchards of.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Asia, geez, he's here's the other thing that must be
pointed out. If Belichick was in so much of a
hurry that he didn't even bother to get his shirt,
that ought to tell you he was not impressed with
whatever he.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Went home with.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No. See, I take the exact opposite. I take the
exact opposite. If he came out with his shirt off,
that man felt like the man he woke up. He
felt strong, he felt good. It was a good time.
I'm relaxed.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He woke up next to a gargoyle and was like,
I gotta get out of here. And I don't care
about the shirt you take. You keep my Tommy Bahama
boat shirt. I'm out of here. That's what I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I think he might have left it. He might have
left it as a souvenir, like whatever happened the night
before she wanted to wear the T shirt or whatever sleeping.
I think that's how it probably. I bet more of
a how do you guys know?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yes, how do you guys know?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
He wasn't just like going around the corner to like
a hot tub or something. You know, he was just
you know, getting into his bathing sing the hot you
can't see at the bottom of his pants he's wearing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You can see it. He's got it.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
He's got a pair of Jordan Ash jeans and Sperry topsiders.
Since Cam's got him going to the hot tub, George, I.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Mean a sam to your point, maybe he had just
gotten out of the hot tub and put his jeans
on and rolled out.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
He still looked banged up too. Sure, he still looked
banged up too, So he didn't get a lot of sleep,
Like he looked like, uh like, if you would have
coughed in your face, you would have gotten pulled over.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Can I give you a newsflash, when you have walks
of shame, there's not really much sleep that's involved with
having a walk of shame, because, for what it's worth,
if you were going to just sleep, you could go home.
Just just so we're clear, walk of shames are based
off of you not.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Sleeping well and some other things.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I get that. Are you saying this from experienced, LeVar?
Is that what you're Hell, Yes, you're damn right.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I'm saying it from experience.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I had no walk of shame and and and and
do that because I was sleep all night, Like are
you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I'll go I could go back home for sleep.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
If I'm walking out with my chest hairs and my
taco meet out, I'm walking out with with the proud
of of of of who.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I am, Like, look at my chest.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
That's right, take it in. I'm gonna make this walk
of shame taste really good in your face.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He's chest and they're like walk of shames are They're
all built different, right, Like if you're in Nantucket, is
there really a walk of shame in Nantucket? Super super
nice area, you know what I'm saying? Like you could
be in other areas where you're like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
It's a flex, bro, I'm just telling you it's a flex.
That walk of shame came from that. That definition came
from certain places and certain areas, and I don't think
Bill Belichick is connected to that. Now. Now, if I
was walking out of Orchids of Asia at a certain
hour and it was light outside, but it was dark
outside when I went in there, that's a walk of
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shame one. And you got to try to make it
to where you're getting to hopefully unscathed by anyone's you know,
gazing eyes. But if I'm just leaving a spot in
Nantucket and I got it in the night before, I
had a whole bunch of laughs. Somebody was twirking, you
know what I mean, And it led to one thing
led to another. And I'm a single dude. Man, don't
(38:35):
don't play with me. I'm not walking a shame. I'm
gonna have my Taco meet out, walking with my chest out,
my head up behind, my shoulders pulled back, like I'm
still the man. I'm old, but I still got some
I still got some wiggle and jiggle in me.
Is the best of two pros and a couple Joe
with lamar As Rady Win and Jonas Knox on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Come on, who's yeah? You know, I'll say this, of
all the football games I've seen on a Thursday night before,
that was one of them. That's for sure. That that
was Uh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Man, oh man, oh, what a joke?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What a joke.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What about the two teams to play?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, well the Bears, you know, they won last night,
and they won potentially the first overall pick or maybe
you've gn a better chance of getting it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hey, I'll say this. There were no turnovers, so if
you're into turnover free football, there there was that positive.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It reminded me a little bit of Iowa football. A
lot of punt scoring on too. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
By the way, have you seen the total for the
Iowa Rocks game this weekend? Is it twenty eight? Keep
setting records to be over under?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Was it twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Last I saw? Sam? What are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I mean, Rutgers has a good defense too, so yeah,
it's gonna be like thirteen.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Rutgers is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, they've survived pretty good. Yeah, well, listen, we'll get
to Rutgers in Iowa with a full comprehensive breakdown coming up.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I mean, that's more interesting than the game last night.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh you weren't You weren't fascinated by the guy Sam
calls Beigent Orange Tyson Beigent, Yes, and yes he used
it and Bryce Young going uh monoy mono last night
and that that slugfest at Soldier Field.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Thought it was so interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I know, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I thought it was more interesting to see them highlighting
his father, you know, doing his over the top action.
You know, I thought that was really you know, did
we have that in the over unders in terms of
if that would happen how many times or would they
talk about his dad arm wrestling?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I think we missed on that one.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Should by the way, that story is getting a little
played out now, it's like we get it. Yeah, Do
we need to be reminded every single time that he
arm wrestled when we see.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Him, Yes, because it's more interesting than the game.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Look, he's done well, man, His son's been in a
spot where he's stepped up and he's helped the Bears offensively,
you know, get some wins. You know, the Bears are
kind of hanging around with three wins, right, I'm not
really sure how you described that team.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Right now, Like the bigger story to me isn't so
because look, Justin Fields is probably is most likely going
to be back next week. And Tyson Bagent for where
he came from and his backstory and all that stuff
to playing quarterback in the NFL, it's awesome, and you
know he's he's done well enough to where you know,
and you made the point on this, I think after
his first game, Brady like he's gonna set himself up
(03:04):
for you know, a contract here or there around the
league moving forward, like he's gonna make a little bit
of money and get to play in the NFL, probably
as a backup. But he's shown well enough that he's
going to have that opportunity, if you know, throughout the
next couple of years of his career, whether it's in
Chicago or anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So one hun, I mean, he's showcased the ability a
to get his shot the way he played in the preseason,
then now how he's playing the regular season and the
other thing. And this is going to come off is
probably controversial to some people, but given where he's come
from and given that he's not like a you know,
a first round picker, a kind of bigger name guy
(03:42):
to college teams will look at him and they'll like
him better as a backup because he's not gonna be
threatening to whoever the starter is. That's just the truth.
They want their room oftentimes to be very you know,
specific as to who's got what job. They don't want
them to be gray area. They want to be you're
(04:02):
the backup, you're the starter. They wantever they'd be copeaceetic,
and when it's not, sometimes like those guys won't get
along and it could be kind of an interesting dynamic
in there. So that's the other thing that he's got
going for him is because of this performances and all that,
he's gonna have a shot. He's gonna be able to
play for a long time if he continues to do
this in preseason and spot work. But the other thing
(04:23):
is is just the background, like they'll say, hey, he's
a great backup for us. We'd love this guy. We
want every team would want a backup like this, right,
he'll start of get that sort of tag and that'll
help him play for a long long time in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Did you feel that way about Bryce Young when you
were watching Now.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, no, that's a different story right now. You know
what reminded me of It reminded me of Trevor Lawrence
his rookie year. You know, a lot of people Trevor
is the number one overall pick, and people started to
kind of go, oh my gosh, maybe he's not Maybe
this isn't gonna work, maybe he's not like you. Hear
a lot of that right now. I mean, Jonas was
texting me that. I mean, there's a lot of people
(05:01):
who I'm not sure buying into whether or not Bryce
Young can beat the quarterback that they're hoping he's going
to be. So it's so you think he can be.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You do think he can be, though this is just
a rocky, a bumpy, bumpy start.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, I'd say this. I think, much like Jacksonville, he
needs a lot of help around him. You know, Jacksonville
went continued to build out around Trevor Lawrence. You know,
they went and traded for Calvin Ridley, who's Jonas' favorite player,
who you know, lost on a parlay which unfortunately caused
me suspended for a year, you know, and and not
even that he's had like the biggest impact on the
(05:36):
team right now. But if you look at what they
did around that roster, you know, with him, they continually
built around him. So I think it's something very similar
that Carolina needs to do to help him out because
their offensive line isn't where it needs to be and
they don't have enough weapons on the outside to help
him either.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So my thing on the Bryce Young stuff. And by
the way, Frank Reich spoke postgame about Bryce Young's performance
and talked about his quarterback. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
He made a couple of key fourth down conversions, you know,
made some good plays in the clutch to kind of
keep us in it and give us a chance at
the end. I thought he did some good things that
I really did. You know, we have to be better.
It's so easy to put it all in the quarterback,
and that's just not the case.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
We all have to be.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Better other than Adam Theelen. What does he got, Like seriously,
like what does he have around him? Like they don't
really run the ball, like they don't you know, it's
Adam Theelen and you know, you hope somebody else can
make a play, and it's not to say that he's
playing well, but I just look at it and I go, dude,
the cupboard's pretty bear there, and it's gonna it's gonna
(06:44):
take a little bit longer than I think a lot
of people expected or were hoping for from a number
one pick who's in a bad situation.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They hold on, hold on, Jonas. I want to ask you, guys,
we just heard Reich give give praise to to Bryce
and said everyone needs to do better. And a large
topic of conversation that we were having was about reichs
his job security. Where do you can't saying like that?
(07:11):
Where do you think that leaves Reich right now?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, let's let's talk about the decision, because ultimately that's
really what I think people are going to question when
you're a head coach and you make certain decisions and
you don't make others. And throughout the course of the drive,
they converted what two fourth downs before I think the
fourth ten, and he opted to kick a fifty nine
yard field goal instead of trying to go for it
(07:34):
on fourth and ten. Now, I don't have an analytics
book in front of me, I would imagine that fourth
and ten is pretty unlikely you're going to be able
to get it, But I would say it's probably equally
as unlikely you're going to make a fifty nine yard
field goal on the road.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And twenty was the the odds of making the kick
in that spot.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I saw the numbers twenty percent for a fifty nine yarder,
which didn't seem to I don't think that's even as high,
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
With you, I know that's just what they were on
the screen. So who knows could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, the other thing, like, here's the other thing. Is
like a fourth and ten for the Panthers and there
are chances of getting that is probably not as high
as a fourth and ten for the Chiefs, right, So
how are we compiling our data? Right? It's just like
general league data that we're flashing on a screen. Like
Matt Prater, who's hit probably with the most fifty plus
yard field goals, who's currently kicking right now for Arizona
(08:25):
in the league. His fifty plus yard kicks or sixty,
you know whatever versus someone else's is probably a lot different.
So I always think it's kind of interesting depending on
what stats were using, Like, how does that really apply
to the Panthers. But the point is, in that instance,
I think you probably are saying, like, yeah, I know
we need a field goal to tie, But I mean
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Kirkirbsry brought this up the third and ten play before.
That's on Bryce. He's got to see the dropper Sandborn
dropping out. But I also thought the play call was interesting.
It wasn't a play It was a play call to
get the first down, not try to get half back.
So it led you to think that they felt like
they were going to take a shot for a field
goal there if they didn't get the third down conversion,
(09:08):
which you know, that's that's on Frank Reich. He knows
his team, he knows what they're capable of. So uh,
it's hard to second guess ahead coach that. When you
look at how the plays the play calling worked out,
it seemed like they already made that decision to kick
on third down, and when a fourth down came up,
there wasn't any indecision. They were like, oh, nope, we're
close enough, let's take the shot. I would have probably said,
(09:31):
now we need to be a little bit closer here.
Let's let's try to go for a fourth and little
have to it's just a tough kick man.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Yeah, especially so in so what so what does it
mean if that's on right and Wright says they have
to be better and we know what temper brings to
the table as an owner, I mean, does this It
clearly doesn't help.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But how much how much more time do you think
he has?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I would be surprised if David Tepper lacked the ability
to read the room so much that he just got
rid of Frank Reich after one year, like if he
hasn't figured out in the NFL, like, hey man, this
isn't easy. It's going to take a little bit of time,
unless he just looks at it and goes, well, you
know everybody here, like Steve Wilkes when he was the
(10:22):
interim last year. So maybe we should have just kept him.
But I find it hard to believe he would move
on from Frank Reich after one year. But all the
things that have happened there this year lead me to
believe that that's a real possibility, which is kind of
wild that you've got an impulsive owner already. We thought
we got we got rid of Dan Snyder and all
the other changes that went on with him throughout the
(10:45):
course of the organization that we've laid out on this show.
And now you've got David Tepper and the Carolina Panthers
who aren't even willing to give Frank Reich any real time. Here,
He's got one year, he's got a rookie quarterback, a
rookie quarterback with nothing around him, and unless I see results,
you're out of here. It just after the Matt rule debacle.
I just I don't get it. And it seems like
(11:05):
we that might really be a possibility at this point.
It's weird. It's a weird spot for end to be in.
But listen, could be worse, all right, you could. You
could be losing your first pick. Oh never mind, they
already did so that picks gone Chicago Bears. That's a
wrap on that one. Also, how about the fact that
(11:25):
in that spot when the Bears had the ball and
third down, I thought for sure they were going to
run it and just play the clock and that and
Luke gets he calls up a pass play and Tyson
bage it picks up the first down in what probably.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Was mean threaded the needle there to Moony and moons
a shot, by the.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Way, I mean, why, why is he not running the
ball there, like, just grind the.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Clock down, because that's what the Bears do.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, the Bears don't grind it out. They go win
the football game. That's what you should be proud as
a Bears fan.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
What that is. You know what they did. They turned
the hat, they flip the switch, and they went over
the top.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, great call, that is a great call. I'll tell
you what. I'll claim the Bears as soon as they
get good again. It's like having a friend who's a
drug addict. You know, he could be your best friend
in the world. Second that guy gets into crystal meth.
When he shows up, it's like, I don't know that guy.
So as soon as they get good again, clean up,
get your act together, and I'll start claiming the Bears again.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You'll support your friend and neat.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
No, I don't attain at a certain point. You got
stuff to do. I can't worry about it. It's not
my problem. But here's what is our problem here? Because
we got a little bit of an issue because we
got a three hour show. We got a three hour show,
and it's you know, well, I mean it's an issue
(12:47):
because we haven't addressed it at this point, and it's
the biggest story going on on this show thus far.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Today.
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Every Friday, it's a football Friday.
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Yeah, come on Friday.
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It's Friday.
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Good Yeah, Yeah, Okay, Sam slee.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Here Friday, Football Friday on Saints there saying come on
week Friday, come.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
On, come on, come on, come on. Hey. Yeah. I
don't get that's say you say. It's the big, big
ten football. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
There you go, big, there you go. All right, Sam,
that's enough. That's enough that one. We got to take
them back. We got to take them back.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
We've got the very latest controversy in the world of
college football. It involves a head coach and it involves
a player, and this one's all sorts of interesting. Here's
the backstory at all this because there's a lot here.
Attorneys for ole Miss and head coach Lane Kiffen filed
a notion to have a lawsuit against them dismissed. The
(15:09):
lawsuit was filed in September by former ole Miss defensive
tackle Dessanto Rawlins, who said he was kicked off the
team for missing practices and meetings during a mental health crisis.
This from ESPN. The lawsuit alleges that Lane Kiffen intentionally
took adverse action against Rawlins on account of race for
(15:30):
requesting to take a mental health break, but not taking
adverse action against white student athletes. It also alleges sexual
discrimination on the basis that ole Miss has not taken
adverse action against female student athletes for requesting and taking
a mental health break. And furthermore, there's some audio of
(15:50):
the interaction between Lane Kiffen and Dessanto Rawlins. This via
Front Office Sports. This apparently took place back in February
or March.
Speaker 10 (16:00):
If you would have come here when you kept getting
messages the head coach wants to talk to you, and
you saying I'm not ready to talk to him.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I wasn't What where wld you live in? What you
let me disrespect? We get out of here. Go go
You're off the team if you're done. See ye see you?
Because I see you, go go and guess what.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
We can kick you off the team. So go read
your rights about mental health. We can kick you off
the team for not showing up when the head coach
has to meet.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
With you and you don't show up for weeks, Okay,
we can.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Remove you from the team. It's called me to put
hiking behind and not showing up or all right, So
that is the the back and forth there.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So now, of course you know, we've got mental health involved,
We've got a forty million dollar lawsuit involved, We've got
lane Kiff in an ole miss filing for it to
be dismissed. A lot of stuff happening there with that
back and forth between lane Kiff and Dessanto.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, I think what you're getting is, I think you're
getting a peak behind the closed doors of just the
difficulties for players who are dealing with mental health issues
and also I guess you'd say the coaches that are
having to deal with it too. It's a very complicated
(17:21):
situation because in some instances you have people who are
battling stuff which only they truly know what they're dealing with.
But on the other side of things, there's procedural things
that you're asked to do as a student athlete, and
there's healthcare, and there's resources that are provided for you
to help you through these things. And I think the
(17:42):
tough thing is for young people is if you were
supposed to, you know, do X, Y and Z, and
if you're battling with something and you have these resources
or you have these things to get some help, but
you don't take advantage of it, or you don't follow up,
or you don't communicate. It becomes hard then for I
think people to sit there and say, like, well, what's
(18:04):
going on? You know? And that's why I think it's
like we're gonna so many people are gonna be quick
to judge and quick to rush to make a decision
on how they feel about Lane kiffing in this instance,
or what should happen with the Santa Rolins. I mean, look,
it's a three star war crew who's been there now
for what I think a couple of years if I'm
not mistaken, or a few years. A defensive lineman who
(18:27):
I think has played three games in his career since
he got there in twenty twenty. And you know, I
don't know what he's what he's battling with, you know. Again,
only he kind of knows that. But clearly it sounds
like from the audio, which we don't even know if
it's edited. Like one thing I could tell you is,
you know, depending on the audio that was released, like
we don't know if that's permitted, you know, in this lawsuit,
(18:48):
if that's a part of that that discovery process, if
it's been edited in any way. We don't know if
there's any more to the conversation, and so I would
just cautioning people when you hear this sort of thing
not to rush the judgment of anyone involved because we
don't know. But I'm curious about more of just you
know what things. Did he not take advantage of that?
It seemed like Lane Kiffen was talking about I mean,
(19:10):
if a guy's battling something, but as a head coach,
you don't see him for three four weeks, and yeah,
you might know of it, but he never returns like
he's asking if you're okay. He's asking if you're okay.
You don't have the you know, you don't want to
meet with him, you don't want to text him back,
you don't want to call him back. You're putting the
coach in a really, really tough spot. He's trying to
prepare for season when football games take care of eighty
(19:31):
four other scholarship guys, one hundred other guys, and you're
not even you know, regardless of what you're dealing with,
you don't have the decency at least text him back,
communicate back, go meet with them, the guy that you
committed to and de sign up to go play for.
So I just think there's a lot to these stories
that we kind of get quick to rush the judgment
and take one side. But I hope people are patient
(19:52):
for more of like facts to come out because it
sounds like something like this gets put out to the
media that it's something that's more built forwards helping to
get a settlement to make them like this go away.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I had a couple thoughts on it. My first question
was when did that conversation take place? Was that was
that during season or was that out of season? And
it was March, so it was not in season, all right,
So here's here's what I would say the first The
first thought I had was you can't go. You can't
(20:28):
go an extended amount of time and expect that a staff,
especially the head coach, when wanting to understand what's going
on with the situation like this, there's going to be
two things that take place. You're going to talk to
your your staff like the doctor or the you know,
(20:49):
the resident person that handles those type of situations, and
generally you're going to talk to your head trainer. So
if it falls outside of the realm of what your
head trainer is able to do. There's someone that they
have to talk to in these instances to figure out
what's the proper protocol. So in that respect, in that regard,
(21:11):
I'm wondering how much of the other staff members because
this really does fall outside of a head coach's scope
of work. Right A head coach is not supposed to
be a psychologist or or someone who handles, you know,
someone who says they're they're having mental health issues. Now,
with that being said, you're leaving things up to to
(21:36):
chance as the player if you do not take the
request just because now, and I want people to understand this.
Unless this man was unless they had to come get him,
like they had to literally come get him and take
him in for help because of how severe the mental
(21:59):
health health issues that he was dealing with were. Unless
that's documented, there is absolutely no excuse to not go
meet with your head coach. In fact, in fact, I
would I would say, if you are having mental health issues,
you go see your coach, even if it's your position coach.
(22:21):
So I wonder where that that information lies. Did is
there any information of him going to talk with his
assistant like his position coach. Was there any type of
communication in regards to what he was going through and
how he could be assisted, because to me, it doesn't
(22:41):
make sense to say, well, I had mental health, so
I went I went missing for three.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
To four weeks.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
If if you've gone missing for a week as a
scholarship player, a week, there's going to you have to
that's going to be addressed. That's not like, oh, we
got to three weeks that, well, where's he at. It's
being it's being looked at, and it's being addressed long
before two to three weeks go by. So with all
(23:12):
that space in between, what was the communication? What was
the line of communication before you get to the conversation
of the audio that was released, So that would be
my biggest question.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So the conversation they had which led to this is
that in late February, Kiffen told Rawlins that he was
going to move him to defensive move from defensive tackle
to the scout team's offensive line because he wouldn't transfer,
and then you know, they had a back and forth
and then Rawlins just disappeared. So he left for three weeks,
(23:43):
three three and a half weeks. The football staff tried
to get a hold of him throughout that time several
times to meet with lane Kiffin and discuss everything further,
and he just no showed, he wouldn't respond, he would
answer me.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
That's a courtesy for him to even have had at
that conversation with lane Kiffin. That's a courtesy because and
that Lane Kiffin does not owe that kid a meeting
after it being handled that way. He doesn't even owe
him a meeting handling it. If what you're saying is
one hundred percent accurate, he doesn't even owe that kid
(24:19):
a meeting, and you could just move on and just
move on from a kid like that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Part and part of the conversation they had, and apparently
this is also recorded as well too, is that lane
Kiffin told him, listen, when I was trying to meet
with you, it wasn't to talk about your position or
making you change positions, like lane Kiffen was telling him,
like I was trying to talk to you about what's
going on, like where's your head at, where's everything at?
And the guy just kind of ghosted him like didn't respond.
(24:47):
So for me, I just look at it and go
the courtesy aspect, like there's hard conversations that happen with
your boss, your parent, coaches, et cetera. And I understand,
like mental health is a real thing. It should be
taken seriously. Everybody knows that everybody's dealing with something and
you can't just dismiss it just on the grounds of, well, no,
(25:08):
I need you to be here at this time. But
at the same time, if somebody is trying to get
through to you and there's an obligation there, you got
to like, you got to meet me halfway. Like I
can't just understand what you're going through if I can't
even get you on the phone or have a conversation
about it. And that's where you lose me with the
whole forty million dollars because you weren't sensitive enough to
(25:30):
my emotions.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I think the other thing people have to understand and
realize is and Lvar, you might know this, this might be.
This is probably different than when we were in school.
You know, when you committed and signed to go to
a school, like you were there, like your commitment was
for four years at least of your eligibility. Now it's
changed where it's like a one year and every year
it's like a renewal of that agreement to go there,
(25:54):
and within that agreement, you know, you have certain things
you have to abide by as a student athlete if
you want to continue to honor your scholarship and be
provided the resources that you're provided at that university. And
that's why I think in the clip you can hear
a little bit of it, but Lane Kifvin tells him
go back and read it like it. Obviously things have
(26:15):
evolved to the point now where it does factor in
mental health those sorts of issues and physical health issues,
and it doesn't negate a player from not abiding by
those responsibilities or what his duties are within that agreement.
That's core. So so that's where to Lvar's point, like
that should probably be the first person you go talk to.
(26:37):
I mean, a lot of these young men look at
a head coach as a father figure and it's going
to come off as man. That's that's really tough for
really critical of a guy you know, or a coach
saying that to a player going through a tough time.
But you also probably don't understand the background of all
this with Jonahs just laid out. When there's prior discussions
about position changes there's other things the factor into it,
(26:57):
and he's asking about the well being of this kid.
And if all that stuff's recorded and hopefully it comes
out and discovery it can provide greater greater clarity to
the situation. But either way, then when you follow it
up with a forty million dollar you know, lawsuit, you're going, okay,
it makes you so much more skeptical about it because
(27:17):
you know, a you can see why, like Lane Kiffin
was trying to give him an opportunity to play, just
on a different side of the ball. Otherwise, maybe he's
not going to Old Miss anymore, maybe he's going to
a smaller school to play. He's got to transfer, portal
those things he can utilize and if he's just then
kind of trying to use it because he feels like,
you know, the coach coached them hard and had some
(27:38):
things to say to him. That happens probably in a
lot of teams across the country.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You know, he's not the first. Every team, Yeah, every team.
You're going to have disappointments with players on every team.
That's just what it is. That's part of competition, that's
part of playing a sport is understanding that sometimes it
doesn't work out exactly the way that you would like
it to work out. Look at Jason Cabinda, like he
(28:06):
was a linebacker at Penn State and a hell of
a linebacker at Penn State, goes to the Pros, goes
to the Pros as a linebacker, but you know what,
to make it onto the roster, he was moved to fullback.
He is now a fullback in the National Football League
and has been able to do it for a couple
of years now. Sometimes a coach will will see something
(28:31):
and they're going to make a decision off of what
they see. Now, why he put him on scout team?
Where was going to put place him on scout team
on the on the opposite side of the ball of
what he was there for to do. That's immterial. If
the team was needing him as a Scout team player
and a Scout team player as an offensive line then
(28:53):
you know what you should do. You should do it.
I'm going to ask for clarity while I'm doing it.
I'm not going to not do anything at all and say, well,
I didn't do it. I'm not doing anything at all.
You're not playing me. I'm being moved to Scout team
and being moved to scout team on the offensive side
of the ball. Who knows that might have You might
(29:14):
ended up being a much better player being an offensive
lineman than being a defensive lineman, and that might have
been what salvage and prolonged your career. Now, if you're
going through mental health issues because of that, if you're
going through mental health issues because of that, then he
had better have some really really good documentation of having
(29:35):
those conversations and going through the exercises, the proper not
your own, the proper protocols and exercises of what you
do when you're having that type of issue. And that
would have still meant doing it through the team, and
they would have briefed Lane Kiffen on what was going on.
It sounds like to me Lane didn't know what was
(29:57):
going on and wanted to have a conversation with the
kid about what was going on. If you have mental
health issues, you gotta get your mental health issues addressed.
You don't go disappear. You want to get them addressed,
and you have to get them addressed. What are you
doing about your classes, what are you doing on your
daily living? All those things have to be addressed. So
(30:20):
It doesn't make it doesn't add up to me where
you say, oh, it's justified to say I was treated.
I was mistreated based upon race. I was mistreated based
upon my gender. When you weren't cooperating, it sounds just
like a classic situation of you're pouting and you're not cooperating,
and even if you're pouting, you still cooperate. It just
(30:43):
sounds like it wasn't. The young man, unfortunately for him,
did not handle the situation the right way. He did
not go through the proper, proper channels in terms of
how he handled it in order for him to be
looked at in a way where what he's saying is
it it's valid.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
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Speaker 2 (31:12):
Did you guys see and we have to talk about this,
there's a walk of shame doorbell door cam video of
Bill Belichick somewhere in Nantucket. Do you see this? This
video that's out where Bell.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Is single now from all indications.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So there's a video that serves where Belichick's not wearing it,
or somebody that looks a lot like Belichick is not
wearing a shirt as they stumble out of somebody's door
and it's caught on the ring camera or the doorbell
camera that is there. It looks just like him. All right,
gun to my head, that's Bill Belichick. And I'm just wondering,
(31:55):
how's this get out?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
But Bill Belichick needs love and too.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
You know, if you're single and you're as successful as
Bill Belichick is, what's I mean, what fun is it
to have success if you can't reap the benefits are
a successful person.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I kind of love the fact too, that, like, you know,
he's shirtless walking out like its just it's kind of
amazing if it is indeed him, Oh, because he's so
buttoned up in so many other facets and ways like
the game of football. But it's like, yeah, but he'll
still pull a walk of shame like anyone else.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
It's I love I love humanity. You know, It's just
people are.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Great the same at the end of the day. We're
all the same.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Hey, let me tell you something. I hope it's true.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
It is that it looks like him. Yeah, Plus to
build in like the chests.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You're like, okay, what was that supposed to be? Barrel chest?
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
How do you know all of these these d tell.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Bill through sweatshirt and you're like, okay, it kind of
looks like him. It looks like him.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Is there sound on that now? Not? I mean, look,
is it that hard to think that whoever it was
probably said it to someone else who then sent it
to someone else off their ring door.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Camp, right yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I mean unless there's someone that like randomly hacked into
it knowing that Bill Belichick might be there, like that seems.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
A little lot. I mean, well, Bill Belichick is old
enough where somebody like maybe he was dealing with somebody
who you know, has other people in the house. They
might be upset or bragging about it. I think it
could be a couple of different things as to the
reason why that was leaked out. You know, do you
think this is like a younger like, okay, I just
(33:45):
I think it could be a parent. It could be
a parent, So it could be a kid like, hey,
Bill Belichick just left my crib look at.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
This, or it could get my orange juice this morning,
right right.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
It could be an ex husband, you know of a
current husband, could be a boyfriend, a current boyfriend, like
anybody that would release that like you're either bragging or
you're or you're upset and you're you're charged up that
Bill Belichick would. What if he's stepping in your cookie jar?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right? What was if he's just trying to be more
relatable to Robert Craft?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
All great call, Well.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I don't think that would even be more relatable because
at least he was out of residence well and all.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, and also and also there's no there's no neon
lights on the outside.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Of the yea, there's no red lights. We don't we're open,
we don't. We don't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
All we saw was the perspective from the door, and
don't know that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
So you're saying that they had a ring on on
orchards of.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Asia, geez, he's here's the other thing that must be
pointed out. If Belichick was in so much of a
hurry that he didn't even bother to get his shirt,
that ought to tell you he was not impressed with
whatever he.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Went home with.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
No. See, I take the exact opposite. I take the
exact opposite. If he came out with his shirt off,
that man felt like the man he woke up. He
felt strong, he felt good. It was a good time.
I'm relaxed.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He woke up next to a gargoyle and was like,
I gotta get out of here. And I don't care
about the shirt you take. You keep my Tommy Bahama
boat shirt. I'm out of here. That's what I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I think he might have left it. He might have
left it as a souvenir, like whatever happened the night
before she wanted to wear the T shirt or whatever sleeping.
I think that's how it probably. I bet more of
a how do you guys know?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yes, how do you guys know?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
He wasn't just like going around the corner to like
a hot tub or something. You know, he was just
you know, getting into his bathing sing the hot you
can't see at the bottom of his pants he's wearing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You can see it. He's got it.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
He's got a pair of Jordan Ash jeans and Sperry topsiders.
Since Cam's got him going to the hot tub, George, I.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Mean a sam to your point, maybe he had just
gotten out of the hot tub and put his jeans
on and rolled out.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
He still looked banged up too. Sure, he still looked
banged up too, So he didn't get a lot of sleep,
Like he looked like, uh like, if you would have
coughed in your face, you would have gotten pulled over.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Can I give you a newsflash, when you have walks
of shame, there's not really much sleep that's involved with
having a walk of shame, because, for what it's worth,
if you were going to just sleep, you could go home.
Just just so we're clear, walk of shames are based
off of you not.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Sleeping well and some other things.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I get that. Are you saying this from experienced, LeVar?
Is that what you're Hell, Yes, you're damn right.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I'm saying it from experience.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I had no walk of shame and and and and
do that because I was sleep all night, Like are
you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I'll go I could go back home for sleep.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
If I'm walking out with my chest hairs and my
taco meet out, I'm walking out with with the proud
of of of of who.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I am, Like, look at my chest.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
That's right, take it in. I'm gonna make this walk
of shame taste really good in your face.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
He's chest and they're like walk of shames are They're
all built different, right, Like if you're in Nantucket, is
there really a walk of shame in Nantucket? Super super
nice area, you know what I'm saying? Like you could
be in other areas where you're like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
It's a flex, bro, I'm just telling you it's a flex.
That walk of shame came from that. That definition came
from certain places and certain areas, and I don't think
Bill Belichick is connected to that. Now. Now, if I
was walking out of Orchids of Asia at a certain
hour and it was light outside, but it was dark
outside when I went in there, that's a walk of
(38:12):
shame one. And you got to try to make it
to where you're getting to hopefully unscathed by anyone's you know,
gazing eyes. But if I'm just leaving a spot in
Nantucket and I got it in the night before, I
had a whole bunch of laughs. Somebody was twirking, you
know what I mean, And it led to one thing
led to another. And I'm a single dude. Man, don't
(38:35):
don't play with me. I'm not walking a shame. I'm
gonna have my Taco meet out, walking with my chest out,
my head up behind, my shoulders pulled back, like I'm
still the man. I'm old, but I still got some
I still got some wiggle and jiggle in me.
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