November 22, 2023 • 41 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Mike Tomlin discusses the firing of OC Matt Canada. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers call out the NFL for becoming soft and mediocre. A look ahead to the Civil War Game, the Iron Bowl and The Game between Ohio State and Michigan on Quinn’s Wins.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Ray Winn and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Day before the Day is the day before the day.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
See, I think tomorrow is the day before the day.
What do you mean Black Friday?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Oh, there you go, great point. Yeah, it's a great mean.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I feel I feel like Thanksgiving is the day that
they get everybody fat and fed so that the ones
that only the strong will survive to go into Black Friday,
and the lazy husbands or lazy wives or or whoever
it may be, they stay behind and food comas while
you're able to spend as much as you like on
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Black Friday.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, didn't Amazon. The Amazon kind of ruined that, didn't.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
They They ruined it. They kind of a whole week.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Now, it's not even like it's just one day of
savings you like, you can go on shop like the
whole entire week.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's true, and they call it Black Friday, but you
can start earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Such hustlers. Isn't that every day for Lee though?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah gets it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Every week you get a Black Friday, you get a
Black Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Everyone gets a Black Friday.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well, well we transitioned smoothly from that over to the
black and gold of the Pittsburgh Oh how about that?
And it was as we were going off the area yesterday,
which it feels like there's just a habit of that
happening in the AFC North. Last week, it was Deshaun
Watson's being out for the year that popped up late,
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and then next thing you know, we've got Mike Tomlin
deciding he needs to move on from Matt Canada, the
offensive coordinator. So yeah, here was Mike Tomlin speaking about
the decision yesterday after the news was announced that Matt
Canada is gone let into the Steelers head coach.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Did not come to this decision lightly.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
To be really transparent with you, it's just a personal
belief of mine. From a leadership perspective, it is my
role to absorb and protect those that I work with,
and this doesn't feel like that. Obviously, I'm not interested
in in assigning blame or deflecting in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
It's more of my natural nature to absorb.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
To be quite honest with you, I've been in this
role so long I'm quite comfortable absorbing. So just rest
assured that this decision was not taken lightly. I got
a lot of respect for Matt personally and professionally. It
was not easy, but I thought it was necessary. This
is a result oriented business, and to be short, the
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improvements were not rapid enough or consistent enough for us
to proceed.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
You got to score touchdowns in this business.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
You gotta win games in this business, and the totality
of it has us where we are today.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
So that was Mike Tomlin talking about the decision to
move on for Matt Canada. This is the I guess
this is the first time since nineteen forty one the
Steelers have made a coordinator or head coaching change mid season,
which is crazy to think about the stability of the organization.
Nineteen forty one the last time this happened, and tom
that didn't seem like he was thrilled about it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's crazy to think out it from that perspective as
just like this stability, if you're a coach there, you've
got to feel comfortable and confident and being able to
do your job and fight through adversity. And that's also
interesting to think about how their offense has been that
bad since Mat.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Canada has been the play caller.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They they go fire someone for the first time in
eighty some years like crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Good for you, Mat Canada, Good for you. I mean
he was good at something. You know, he was good
enough to be the first one fire during the season
since nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You're from Pittsburgh, LeVar, I could imagine you've got some
folks that have not had good things to say about
the offense for the past three years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, the thing about it is when you're like I said,
when we were talking about Franklin and him losing to
Michigan and Ohio State, they a lot of people and
we even talked about it on this show.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
We talked. We cited the offense.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And the inability to move the ball to go after
big plays make things happen. But Pennsylvanians we love to
be the winners. That's our thing. Like, we work hard.
We're blue collar workers, we're hard hat workers, we're lunch
pail workers. A lot of us do very very minimum
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wage type jobs. And the one thing that we went
at and the one thing that we're proud of is
our football, our brand of football. So when something doesn't
go right, they call for the head coach. They don't
just go after the offensive coordinator. They want the head coach.
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So every time something doesn't go right with the Steelers,
they're always calling for the coach's job always. Now, I'll
speak lightly for Philly because I represented Philadelphia and I
know the fan base very well, both as someone who
represented it as a player, but also someone who played
in the NFC East my entire career.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They're the same way.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
In fact, they're probably even a tad bit more aggressive
and wanting, wanting change when something isn't the way that
they want it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
So Doug Arson won him a Super Bowl and they
were booing him at the end.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So there you go. So it's it's kind of a
cultural thing. We just want to win. Like Pittsburgh's they
this is my day off. I want to watch my
football on Fridays. I love Friday night lights. I want
to watch my football on Saturday. I love Saturday football
and I love my team on Sunday. And that's it.
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Like Friday, I get off of work. I want to
see my team win. They'll they'll call for a coach's head,
and they'll get a coach out of there.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
In high school, the same exact.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Way they go after every other level from College to
pro So Mike Tomlin, I'm certain, even though he says
he has learned to absorb it, I'm certain you never
get used to the ferocity and the passion behind wanting
you to be removed and lose your job when something
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doesn't go the way that you would like for it
to go.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I mean, when you accept that job, there's a lot
that comes with the glory of it and the greatness
of it and the resources that go into it. But
there's a lot that comes out of it that isn't
always the most you know, the easiest, the easiest way
to handle or the easiest way to have to deal
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with with being successful.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
So I thought he had statements.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well though this had to have been a long time coming,
though it had to have been to make the decision
he made. It had to have been a long time coming,
and it had to have been one where he's probably
looking at across the field saying, dude, they've got a
it's not even their second stringer, it's a third string quarterback.
And we feel like we did enough. I mean, we
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feel like we held them to thirteen points. We should
be able to win that game. Yeah, I mean bottom line,
like like that's that was probably the most damning thing
where he's looking at saying like, I've dealt with this
too much. We need to be able to win games
and score more than thirteen points.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Isn't an unreasonable request? Like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And think about the amount of draft picks they've now
invested into this team. Now you have is a first
round pick, if I'm not mistaken. Can he Pickett a
first round pick? I'm not mistaken. You look at Friar youth,
look at George Pickens's like the way they've built this
roster through recent drafts, and.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Even Dantae Johnson even though he's been around a little older.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They've spent a lot of draft capital on the offensive
side of the ball, and they're just not getting any
results whatsoever from it. And that defense, as good as
it is, can only hold up for so long. Like
people talking about when to play complimentary football, I mean,
you can't compliment anything if it's all one sided, and
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that just gets frustrating, right, I mean it's not that
I think about Like we talked about football, and the
football is always in a great metaphor for like life,
like relationships. If one person a relationship feels like they're
doing all the work, they're doing all the little things
around the house, they're doing all the things to whatever
it is, you know, help with the kids, everything like
that gets wearing, Like eventually that wears out, that doesn't
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work anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
And that's how this is man like that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
This is a defense that literally has been kind of
pushed to the edge of saying, yeah, this is gonna
be hard to sustain. If we were to be a
playoff team, if we wouldn't have any success, We've got
to be able to score more points. And the guy
who's kind of leading us direct this in that way
is not the right guy for it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I detailed, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I've detailed his history, like he really had a couple
of standout years as a play caller Pittsburgh twenty sixteen
and then going back to his time at NC State
his final year there and that was it, and he really,
you know, kind of looked for the next opportunity, the
next opportunity, the next opportunity with every stop he made
after that, and there was never really any results. So
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the hiring in the first place back in twenty twenty
one made no sense to me. So this has kind
of been a long time coming, and I'm sure there's
a lot of Steelers fans who are happy about if.
The problem is you have no idea what this offense
is going to look like. With Mike Solivan and Eddie
Faulkner now called plays and solvents have a ton of experience,
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he should be able to take this thing over, open
some things up, see what they have and Kenny Pickett
and maybe they get a bounce back like we saw
from Buffalo versus the Jets where Joe Brady took over
the play calling there. But you're kind of, you know,
cross your fingers hoping that this happens.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
We have no clue how the rest of the season
is going to go offensively, right.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So first offensive Plaguegainst in Cincinnati this weekend? What are
you thinking? Flea flicker bomb?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
No, they just break out all just take a shot.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, why fumble, Ruski? I mean, whatever you got in
your bag, just bring it out just to make everybody
happy for one week and then just go back to
score eleven points a game after that? Why not? This
is your chance, you know, like, let him fly a
little bit here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, you can I ask you, guys a question that
this is more in the lines of Lee this morning,
because he's texting me.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
We're having a side conversation. How's Lee doing? How's he
doing this morning? Good?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
That's great?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Is he good? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I got, I got, I got receipts to send your ways, Brady,
you need Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm just saying, man like, I'm looking through some stuff
not seeing anything.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
What happened here? What are we?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
What are we talking? I asked her.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
If he said the rundowns, it's I hadn't received it yet,
and it's not that uncharacteristic, given Lee's weekend slash, given
a holiday.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Coming up, that Lee might be a little behind on
some things.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Do you have a couple of throat burners off snightly? Nope?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Negative? Yeah, I'm in anything that is correct? Wow, he
took it completely day off? Yeah? Sure, happy?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And you want to know why?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Really, that's that's that's abnormal, to be honest, that's that's abnormal.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And I mean it happens.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's a few days a week. I don't drink for sure,
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What's what's more typical? You not having a drink or
you having a drink.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
More typical for me to have a drink.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Sure, you got.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
More days than that. I'll have had a beverage.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You have a cocktail at least.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's a big night though, it's high
score reunion night.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
After all that, right, Well, it's going to get after it.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Yeah, we're doing a little yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen.
We're gonna yeah, that's gonna happen. My god, little go
into a movie.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Little little cocktail before, a little cocktail after cocktail during.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Oh yeah, almost forgot about that. I forgot about the
hip flask.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah that is, by the way, is it the tealing
whiskey hip flask or did we give that to Sam?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I kept the teeling.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You put on your belt. How do you wear the
hip flask? No, it goes in the pocket.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I'm a cargo shorts.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Guys still rocking the cargo shorts all right, yep.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I'm one of those. I mean where you I mean, listen,
you gotta put your bottles something at least I use
at least I use the pockets.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Most guys, you the big lead.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Most people who have cargo shirts don't utilize the extra space.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Oh man, well, it is the record. I'm pretty sure
you left me off the email. I'm just I'm pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Sure I just sent you the receipt. It's got your
name next to the timestamp.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Interesting, Okay, this what says six oh two?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
No, it says it says fifty five. Okay, Hey, I
think everything is workout just fine.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I think it's all going to work out, just just fine.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
You know, there it is. You know why you sweat me?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Bar? Who's sweating you? It is?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Calling for our offensive coordinators head on the show. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
No kidding, all right. By the way, I think I
would be fired right yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Technically I feel like Jonas is the quarterback and the
o s.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He's like old school.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh no, yeah, I've each dropped jobs home conversations before
the shows. You're definitely the play caller as well as
the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So trying to be we came to be. Jonas would
have to go.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
It's it's collaborative.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Did you see the sinister voice? Did year the sinister voice?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It would mean that you know, Jonas has to go
messed up?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
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Speaker 4 (14:36):
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Speaker 3 (14:37):
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Speaker 5 (15:16):
Come on, bar, lets get fired up, Come on var Showice,
Let's get some lotion.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
For our hands.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I already did it. Oh you missed it.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I'm glad we missed it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Already lathered up, me too, ready to go. I'm trying
to get a so lotion sponsorship. So I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do what's that? What do you mean you know what
wants any part of that?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You don't want your hands to feel it's getting chippy out?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
No, I don't, dude, you don't want your hands.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
On what jo I feel a little bit softer out
in that cold weather. Come on, you gotta be sitting
on the but hey, you could either do that or
go isotoners. You know, and if I wear isotoners, nobody
will see my thumb ring. So I gotta go lotion.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So just the way I'll be wearing gloves this week.
I made that mistake last time.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
That happened.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, I did wear long Johns or like any thermples,
and it was freezing, and I always try to be tough,
a tough guy, and I wear gloves. I was just like, nope,
I'm not moving around enough. I'm just sitting sitting there
in a chair for three hours, like I need to
be moving around in order for me to feel like
somewhat warm. So that was a mistake. Thermals. Yeah, long
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Johns sounds so old school.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Funny, you know what, though, I needed the long Johns,
Like nowadays thermals are like just an underlayer that's supposed
to be warmer. I need the old school, like I
don't know what material that is, but the actual like
thermal like where it's gonna look crappy in a suit.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
But I will be comfortable and warm, So I'd rather
wear those.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Does it have the does it open up in the
back like the old school?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
At least there were people can mock those guys back
in the day, but they were thinking correctly. They were yeah,
they were Yeah, they were absolutely thinking. You know, listen,
we to make this easy on people. They don't don't
want to pull it all the way down.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So you got to understand though about like way back then,
that was obviously like more at the precipice of their thought,
Like that was more on the forefront of, hey, these
are the things that I need to find food, I
need to be able to go to the bathroom. I
need like we were they were worried about social media
or like the news or whatever else was going on.
(17:23):
They were like way more concerned with the day to
day activities. So of course they put a precedent on like, hey,
I need to have quick exit, you know, and then
they've had that, it needs to come out.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Quick, you know, the button back up and we're ready to.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Top a squad somewhere. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I was at my son's football game the other day
and it was freezing, freezing, freezing cold, and.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I went to the reseru uh oh and everything.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I gotta be honest, I was watching my hands, I
was drawing my hands, and as I was turning to
walk out, I saw the old head man and he
went to the bathroom the old head way.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I hate to admit it, but I did. Oh.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
He dropped all the way down to his knees, his
trousers all the way down to his knees.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
And that's what this conversation made me think of.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Ask me why I just thought it was so funny.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Why do people do that?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
It's yeah, it is. It is odd. I mean, it's
a little weird. And there are two things that I
don't get at the urinal, and we've talked about it before.
I don't get the flushing mid stream while you're going.
That doesn't make any sense to where people start going
and then they'll flush. I don't understand it. And I
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don't understand people that can't just unbutton.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Or on zip.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
They just drop all the way down to their knees
and then sometimes let their bare as hang out. I
don't get it. I don't understand it, like that's the
advantage to having outdoor plumbing.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I gave it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That Isn't that like a childhood thing? Like like when
you're a kid, you do it. But when you're when
you're like, what age do you stop dropping your.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
About?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
What age?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
About?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Four?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Four?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Four or five? You'll figure it out eventually.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
All right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Sorry, I'm sorry, but that's what this made me think about.
I'm sorry. Don't ask me why I took it. It
just it was too funny to me, and I was
it was just funny, and I was going to send
it to somebody, and I never ended up sending it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
But JO made you think about it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
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need to run out and get some gloves or some
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Before we hear from a couple of future Hall of famers,
one specifically who's got some critiques about the NFL, we
do want to mention this. This came out a short
time ago, according to the NFL Network. Joey Bosa of the Chargers.
The report is he suffered a right foot sprain at
lambeau Field this past Sunday. They are placing him on
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injury reserve. He does have a chance to return this season.
But this is a guy who's dealt with injuries in
the past. This is an organization who can't not help
but deal with injuries all the way through the past
few years. And so another bit of bad news for
the Chargers. Joey Bosa going on IR. So that's unfortunate
for the Bolts.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But Jolie, man, it's frustrating for f you're a La
Chargers fan. They just cannot ever have a season where
everyone stays healthy. I don't know, maybe that's asking for
a lot. Is that asking for a lot?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I mean, at least get like just some piece of
good luck here or there, you know, like just something
like the Quintin.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Eckler missed some time this year.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Just they're always have guys deal with injuries, and I
know when most cases were like, yeah, that's every team,
I don't know, the ones that like the ones that
are able to make it through a season usually unscathed.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
In that way, it tend to always be the better teams.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Are in competition with, Like I don't want to jinx
Kansas City, but like, look at Kansas City, Like how
often are we talking about like guys like they're their
top guys, like missing time or being out of town.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I feel like you don't see that quite as often.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
And even when Kelsey was banged up this year, he
wasn't gone for that long. I mean he came back
and they were you know, they're still rolling. Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I mean, the Chargers deal with the more injuries that
any team.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It feels like to their star players, it's ridiculous and
it stinks because that roster's loaded and they just have
never been able to kind of keep everyone healthy, everyone
together and then see what they're truly capable of.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Try having them as your Super Bowl pick that's super
disappointed team this year.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's fine, super disappointing.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yeah, well, speaking of disappointment, Tom Brady's disappointed. He's upset.
He's upset with the current state of the NFL. He
was on the Steven A. Smith Show and had his
thoughts about what's wrong with the current state of the
National Football League.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's NFL.
I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past.
I think the coaching isn't as good as it was.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I don't think the development of young players is as
good as it was.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
The rules have allowed a lot of bad habits to
get into the actual performance of the game. So I
just think the product, in my opinion, is less than
what it's been.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think I look at a lot of.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Players like Ray Lewis and Rodney Harrison and Ronnie Lott
and guys that impacted the game in a certain way,
and every hit they would have made would have been
a penalty. Your coach is complaining about their own player
being tackling and not necessarily, why don't they talk to
their player about how to protect themselves. We used to
work on the fun the mental of those things all
the time. Now they're trying to be regulated all the time.
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Offensive players need to protect them, Sell. It's not a
defensive player to protect offensive player. A defensive player needs
to protect him.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Sell.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I didn't throw the ball to certain areas because I
was a freak. Players are going to get knocked out.
That's the reality. I didn't throw it to the middle
when I played ray Lewis because you knock him out
of the game, and I couldn't afford.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
To lose a good player.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So that was Tom Brady talking with Steven Smith. Now real.
Aaron Rodgers also doubled down on it. He was on
the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk yesterday and he
basically said, and went on to point out, listen, it's
big picture more the softening of society. So those are
two legends, guys that have played the game for that time,
y Gloss, I mean to listen, you know, he took
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an opportunity. You want to hear Rogers. I mean he's
got a little.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I guess like I kind of want to hear it now.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
All right, So let's listen to Rodgers on the Pat
mcabee show starring A. J.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Hawk if I'm looking at this from a real big picture,
like there's a softning of society that has definitely caused
things like this. Look at all the sports, you know
what happened to hockey. Hockey is not doesn't have the
enforcer positions. Why because we need the fighting out of
hockey is too violent, you know, and people don't want
to see the violence on TV. I think people want
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to see football be a collision sport and not you know,
to where guys are getting mangled on the field, but
they enjoy the big hits. And there's certain players who
you just knew were big hitters and would push, you know,
push the line of what's a cheap shot and and
what's a legit hit.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So that was Rogers talking about it and Waning as
well too.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Quarterbacks saying it though, well, because I think we're the
ones that you know, especially around the protections, because this
is where it all started, I feel like, was what
Todd Brady got his knee taken out and the protections
for what the NFL deems is defensives. Players started to
get ramped up so that injury occurred to Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
What is eight? Was that the year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
After the near perfect season.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, so you know you start getting now quarterbacks you
can't hit him.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You have to hit them in a certain frame, certain area.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And it's evolved now to the point where literally, if
you're a defensive player, you can't fall on top of
the quarterback. You have to somehow sack the quarterback, and
then you have to protect You have to not worry
about yourself, but protect the quarterback and yourself as you
fall to the ground.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Imagine living in that world.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
So you know, you've got this instance of the true
protections for the quarterback because they're the face of the
franchise and the face of the league. It really started
then and it's evolved now where it's been extended to
other players. And because I think in part fantasies become
so big. Offensive scoring is so important to the league.
I mean, any fan will tell you, and you if
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you did a study, you hear, Okay, no one wants
to see a.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Thirteen to ten ball game.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
They'd rather see a thirty to twenty seven, you know,
a forty to thirty six game.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Where there's more scoring.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's just the reality of how the fan base takes
into an account the excitement of the game.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They want to see scores.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's one of the reasons why I feel like soccer
doesn't resonate as much with a lot of people in America.
I know there's a huge fan base for soccer in
some ways, but it's not like Europe, it's not like
other international countries. And it's important because like there's just
not a lot of scoring. I mean, it's constant play,
but it's like, ah, okay, I'm really getting that jacked
up about a one to nothing game.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Now. Don't get me wrong. I like soccer.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I appreciate for what it is, but there's other sports
where you look at it and you go through baseball.
But baseball is at his peak. It was a steroid era.
Dudes were launching balls left and right. It's scoring home
run after home run. Like that was fun to watch
the back and forth between Mark maguire and Sammy Sosa
and then Barry Bonds and how amazing he was at
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the end.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Like that's just that's what we like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And because there's been such a concern about quarterbacks getting hurt,
and we've seen that this year, we've witnessed that as
far as scoring being down, how many unders have been
hitting on a weekly basis, and then on top of that,
the playmakers who are making those plays.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I mean, it got to the point when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Where you know, you're considered defenseless as a receiver when
you're in the act of catching the football. So now
the manner in which you're hit has changed for the
defense so that.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That player is protected and he doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, to Tom Brady's point, you knew as a quarterback
you weren't gonna throw the ball into a tight window.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And you know what happens a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You ever seen what a quarterback throws behind a guy
who's on an end cut or a slay route.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You don't know why that happens.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
More often than not, they decapitated.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, because they feel the defensive player coming and they're
actually trying to throw to a spot where that player
is either gonna get catch it or it's gonna be incomplete,
but either way they're gonna get blown up. It is
literally a natural human reaction for quarterbacks where they know
they've they've done this a thousand times. They feel where
there's a tight window there, and they feel where their
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guy's running and the guy running towards them. They're not
going to throw them into that like it's been drilled
out of you.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You could try all you want.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And when you see quarterbacks throw into that, oftentimes it's
because they don't see that defender coming towards the receiver.
I don't know any quarterback who would throw a wide
receiver into that or they're just they literally just missed
or that and were that inaccurate with it. But for
the most part, they're always gonna end up throwing behind
because they want to protect that guy.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's a subconscious thing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And so what happened is once those rules changed where
the receivers in the act of catching were considered defenseless,
I mean you could go back and then we talked
about Drew Brees earlier.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The Saints had a name for it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
They called it NAP, a non aggressive position, And the
whole point of it was they were going to throw
those seam routes.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Remember when they used to throw to Jimmy Graham up
the seam All the time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We'll think about having a six foot six tight end
that can run like a deer, and it is a
big target game. Elevate and catch and guess what he
gets protection.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He can't hit him.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So now you could throw that ball up into harm's
way and into a bunch of traffic because you know
they can't hit him like they used to. And so
as long as the defender had his back turned all
right to you, as the quarterback, as he's chasing that guy,
that was a non aggressive position. You were going to
throw that ball up into that tight window, into that space,
up that seam because you knew he was protected and
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the ball was protected because the dB can't see it. Now,
if the DB's looking back at the quarterback and has
a vision of the wide receiver, they call that aggressive position.
So the only reason you don't throw that ball is
not because the tight coverage. You would throw it because
that dB has the chance of picking that ball off.
But now like those tight windows have nothing to do
anymore with guys not getting hurt because they're protected. So
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the game has changed dramatically for that reason, and it's
changed the manner in which how quarterbacks throw the football.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Even when you got an enforcer in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You know, guys like Bobby Wagner, guys like Fred Warner
who are going to be hitters right their strengths, their
skill set can't be on full display because of the
way the league has changed the rules, and it's unfortunate,
it really is.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I just the problem with it, and m Rodgers alluded
to this and another clip where you said, you know
the moving target, like that's the part that always bothers
me is how they're expecting these defenders in real time
to be able to adjust how they're going to lay
ahead on somebody when a receiver's moving or a ball
carrier is moving and everybody's trying to avoid contact or
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get out of the way, and yet we're punishing those
guys based on a still frame when there's no still
frame in that moment in time. It's a moving target,
like the strike zone is moving around. And the comp
I always think about is if you are a pitcher,
imagine trying to throw to your target but it's moving
all around the plate like you can't like are throwing
a strike, and they're expecting these guys to throw strikes
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with their hits, and if they don't, they get pop
fifteen yards and then get a check in the mail
for you know, here's thirty five thousand dollars in you're out,
like and all of this being said, I don't think
it's ever going to go back to what it was like,
if anything, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Like that's what it feels like to me, and so
like nobody likes it, but nothing's going to be done
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about it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Why do you think they're pushing the flag football? I mean,
I'm seriously, this is like a conspiracy theory. Why do
you think everyone's pushing flap flag football? It's more inclusive
and there's way less of a chance of injury, guys
can play longer, the whole thing. Like, Wow, there's a
reason why they're pushing a sport like flag football, which
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is not football.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Why would that become an Olympic sport? And all these
years we've been playing football? Wow, why didn't football become
an Olympic sport?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Why they have to? Why did why did to the
Olympics have to be play.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
It would like it would like the NBA being like,
all right, we're gonna have horse in the Olympics next year.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I mean in a way, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What you know I don't understand too, is like its
auth America. You know, if like if we're going to
try to get something to be an Olympic sport.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
We want to flaunt our strength. But yes, it's almost
like putting on like a military show, you know, like
like other.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Countries like have the tanks and everything else come out,
they go out the parade, everyone's waving the flag. It's
like like the Olympics are all opportunity to be like, no,
this is our sport. It's called American football, and we're
gonna beat the ever living crape of everyone else, and
it's going to send a signal to every other country
out there the wants to test us.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Okay, We're still the USA, right. That's what I don't
get about this.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's like, oh, it's flag, Oh okay, Like you're not
flexing on the rest of the world like America usually
does and can. That's probably the most disappointing thing for me.
It's like when we really wanted to in basketball, we
put out the dream team that was like, oh okay,
no one's even close to as good as the US, right,
why not do the same thing with the Olympics, with
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the actual American tackle football and not flag football.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That would be way more fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Oh hell yeah, I'm into it. I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right now, we are going to present something that is
also normally done on a Friday. We take a closer
look at college football with nobody better than the one
and only the face of Big Noon Kickoff, Brady Quinn
with another installment of Quinn's wins.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Let's go all right, all right, here we go. All right,
I've got three games for you this week.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'm gonna start off and what used to be deemed
the Civil War, I'm not even sure if I want
to say that anymore, but Oregon statee traveling to Eugene, Oregon.
It's the number sixteen team the country, the Beavers taking
on the number six Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This line's sitting at thirteen and a.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Half at least the last time I looked at it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Who knows if there's been in a movement over under
set a sixty two look.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oregon State came off a tough, disappointing loss to Washington
last week at home.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was a tight one.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I think you're gonna see Jonathan Smith, the phenomenal head
coach for the Beavers, trying to implement a similar strategy
against Oregon, who is clicking on all cylinders. You're not
going to find a more balanced team maybe outside of
Georgia this season than Oregon. Their top tenants, scoring on defense,
top sent and scoring on offense. Ficks very maywell could
win the Heisman Trophy. He's going to set an NCAA
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record for completion percentage. He's completing almost eighty percent of
his passes right now. He's got forty total touchdowns this season.
He's third in FBS and yards and passing, so he's
setting the world on fire right now the way he's played.
So give a lot of credit to Bo Nicks and
the Oregon Ducks. And look Oregon State, I think they've
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got to try to play this game in a similar
fashion of how they tried to play Washington. Slowed the
game down, utilize your running backs Martinez and Fenwick, and
try to not allow Djungla to be under pressure. We
saw last week a couple of a couple of interceptions.
That's usual when that comes about, but this is a
big number.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I don't feel great about the line.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'll lay the thirteen and a half points here because
I think Oregon knows in order for them to still
find a way into the College Football Playoff, not only
do they have to win out and win the Patchwork Championship,
they have to win convincingly to convince the committee they
should go in over a potential undefeated Florida State ACC champ.
So I would lay the thirteen and a half points.
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Style points matter here, and I also like the over
of sixty two. I think that's actually the better play.
It's probably next up, let's go to the Iron Bowl.
I know Auburn's not ranked, that's outside of our normal
way of doing this, but they are playing at Jordan
Hare on the road. Alabama is a fourteen and a
half point favorite. Last time I looked. It's a big number.
But here's the thing. Auburn just got blown out by
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New Mexico State last week, and it simply comes down
to this.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
If you stop Darquez Hunter, the.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Running back, the outstanding running back at Auburn, there's really
not much that Auburn can do offensive. They struggle to
score points. Look, they've played people close this year. They
took Georgia down to the wire where they did Brock
Bowers to make some late game heroics in order to win.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But this Bama team is on a roll right now.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Their defense statistically is right up there next to Georgia
and the SEC, and in jalb. Milroe since the beginning
of the season has really turned things on. Thirty one
total touchdowns this season to only six interceptions, he's completing
sixty six percent of his passes. He's continually grown and
got better as offensive coordator Tommy Reese has continually built
this offense to potentially be an SEC champ. So lay
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the fourteen and a half points. I know it's a
big number, but again, this Alabama team is much better
than what we saw earlier in the season, and it
feels like Auburn's trending in the other direction. And speaking
of trends, the final one, the big one the game
Ohio State at mission in number two versus number three
up in ann Arbor, Michigan, Michigan. Last time we look,
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they're given three and a half points at home the
over runners said at forty six points. This one feels
like the two teams are training in different directions. Michigan's
played some tight games over the past couple of weeks,
and if you look at their team, they're pretty banged
up right now. Jaj McCarthy's doing with an ankle injury
that he suffered versus Penn State. The left tackle la
Darius Henderson missed last week, Miles hitting his backup he
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played for him, he went out of the game injured.
So the offensive line has struggled to protect and run
block quite the same as what we've seen in the
years past. And their top wide receiver from Michigan, Robin Wilson,
he left with a shoulder injury last week. He's the
best player they've got to create big plays in separation
in the passing game, and McCarthy has not looked the
same throwing the football over the.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
So a lot of concerns there on the side of
Michigan with their health and where they're at, whereas Ohio
State is continually built, moving built upwards with the way
they're running the football. Trayvon Henderson of the last four
game games averaging one hundred and twenty five yards per game,
which will put him third in the country right now
in five tds in that span. He's a legitimate home
run hitter, and he protects the guy that LaVar talked about,
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Marvin Harrison Junior. When you have a running back who
could do what he has done in the last four games,
you can't put as much attention on Marvin Harrison Junior,
not to mention Kate Stover, a Mecca Abuka, all the
other weapons that they have. It really comes down to
Ohio State on offense of whether or not Kyle McCord
can distribute the football and not put the football on
Harm's way, which is a big question mark, especially on
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the road. The X factor for me is the Ohio
State defense under defense cordator Jim Knowles.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
They've been phenomenal since he's gotten there. They've continually improved.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Here's a stat for you, and this, honestly could be
the difference This game the last two years has come
down to big plays and Ohio State struggled last year.
They give him eighteen plays of over forty yards so
far this year, only one giving up the entire season.
So Jim Knowles, that defense done an incredible job. I
like Ohio State, and you take the three and a
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half points on the road in an arbor to cover
the number and don't be surprised if they don't outright win.
It just feels like right now, Michigan's banged up and
they're trying to limp into this one, and this Ohio
State team has been built up now to beat and
counteract what we've seen from Michigan the past couple of years.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
That's what I'm talking about right there.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I think you're right. I think you're right, and thank
you for oh State weekend. I hate to say it.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Want me to give you my favorite bet of the
week though, Yeah, well yes, it's the under of South
Carolina and Clemson.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I know people don't like betting unders normally, but Clemson's
the number one total defense the a season, the only
given about twenty one points a game right now. At
South Carolina's really struggled with Cox. Jonas' is Cox have
really struggled to be able to score points. They're average
about twenty eight and they've scored over twenty points like
five times this season, but three of those times where
versus Furman, Jacksonville State, and Vand who's got the worst
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defense in the SEC. So it's a bit of a
skewed number, but the under of South Carolina and Clemson,
which again Clemson jumped right back up in the top
twenty five rankings in the playoff rankings, and that over
unders said at fifty two. So that's my favorite bed
of the week, and I think that's one that's easily.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Going to hit.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
The Cocks are trying to get Bowl eligible, you know,
trying to get to that six win mark.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So good luck Clemson and Dabosweeney feel like they still
got something to prove with the way they've been talked
about treated this season, and they really have to continued
to kind of come around.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
You don't think there's going to be a any Cocks.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
In the bowl, No Cox in the bowl this year?
Speaker 5 (40:36):
What about Jacksonville State? Maybe they'll get Aren't they the
game Cox too? I think they are. I think yeah.
I think there was Gamecock on game Cock a couple
of weeks ago. South Carolina and Jacksonville State. I think
they played each other from that mistaken Oh.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
I believe you're right they are of the game Cocks.
Yeah sick. I don't realize you could have two game Cocks.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah you can't. I mean, if you know, if you
want to if you're into that. Yeah, Edguleott for sure. Wow,
So there is another edition of Quinn's wins here on Fox.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Stick the landing with that tennis or was that? Or what?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Did we? Did we roll out? Did we did we
fall down? Did we break an ankle?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Like nah, stuck it
It is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Ray Winn and Jonas Knox on Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Day before the Day is the day before the day.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
See, I think tomorrow is the day before the day.
What do you mean Black Friday?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Oh, there you go, great point. Yeah, it's a great mean.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I feel I feel like Thanksgiving is the day that
they get everybody fat and fed so that the ones
that only the strong will survive to go into Black Friday,
and the lazy husbands or lazy wives or or whoever
it may be, they stay behind and food comas while
you're able to spend as much as you like on
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Black Friday.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, didn't Amazon. The Amazon kind of ruined that, didn't.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
They They ruined it. They kind of a whole week.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Now, it's not even like it's just one day of
savings you like, you can go on shop like the
whole entire week.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's true, and they call it Black Friday, but you
can start earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Such hustlers. Isn't that every day for Lee though?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah gets it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Every week you get a Black Friday, you get a
Black Friday.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Everyone gets a Black Friday.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Well, well we transitioned smoothly from that over to the
black and gold of the Pittsburgh Oh how about that?
And it was as we were going off the area yesterday,
which it feels like there's just a habit of that
happening in the AFC North. Last week, it was Deshaun
Watson's being out for the year that popped up late,
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and then next thing you know, we've got Mike Tomlin
deciding he needs to move on from Matt Canada, the
offensive coordinator. So yeah, here was Mike Tomlin speaking about
the decision yesterday after the news was announced that Matt
Canada is gone let into the Steelers head coach.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Did not come to this decision lightly.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
To be really transparent with you, it's just a personal
belief of mine. From a leadership perspective, it is my
role to absorb and protect those that I work with,
and this doesn't feel like that. Obviously, I'm not interested
in in assigning blame or deflecting in any way.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
It's more of my natural nature to absorb.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
To be quite honest with you, I've been in this
role so long I'm quite comfortable absorbing. So just rest
assured that this decision was not taken lightly. I got
a lot of respect for Matt personally and professionally. It
was not easy, but I thought it was necessary. This
is a result oriented business, and to be short, the
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improvements were not rapid enough or consistent enough for us
to proceed.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
You got to score touchdowns in this business.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
You gotta win games in this business, and the totality
of it has us where we are today.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
So that was Mike Tomlin talking about the decision to
move on for Matt Canada. This is the I guess
this is the first time since nineteen forty one the
Steelers have made a coordinator or head coaching change mid season,
which is crazy to think about the stability of the organization.
Nineteen forty one the last time this happened, and tom
that didn't seem like he was thrilled about it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's crazy to think out it from that perspective as
just like this stability, if you're a coach there, you've
got to feel comfortable and confident and being able to
do your job and fight through adversity. And that's also
interesting to think about how their offense has been that
bad since Mat.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Canada has been the play caller.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They they go fire someone for the first time in
eighty some years like crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Good for you, Mat Canada, Good for you. I mean
he was good at something. You know, he was good
enough to be the first one fire during the season
since nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You're from Pittsburgh, LeVar, I could imagine you've got some
folks that have not had good things to say about
the offense for the past three years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, the thing about it is when you're like I said,
when we were talking about Franklin and him losing to
Michigan and Ohio State, they a lot of people and
we even talked about it on this show.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
We talked. We cited the offense.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And the inability to move the ball to go after
big plays make things happen. But Pennsylvanians we love to
be the winners. That's our thing. Like, we work hard.
We're blue collar workers, we're hard hat workers, we're lunch
pail workers. A lot of us do very very minimum
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wage type jobs. And the one thing that we went
at and the one thing that we're proud of is
our football, our brand of football. So when something doesn't
go right, they call for the head coach. They don't
just go after the offensive coordinator. They want the head coach.
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So every time something doesn't go right with the Steelers,
they're always calling for the coach's job always. Now, I'll
speak lightly for Philly because I represented Philadelphia and I
know the fan base very well, both as someone who
represented it as a player, but also someone who played
in the NFC East my entire career.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They're the same way.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
In fact, they're probably even a tad bit more aggressive
and wanting, wanting change when something isn't the way that
they want it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
So Doug Arson won him a Super Bowl and they
were booing him at the end.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So there you go. So it's it's kind of a
cultural thing. We just want to win. Like Pittsburgh's they
this is my day off. I want to watch my
football on Fridays. I love Friday night lights. I want
to watch my football on Saturday. I love Saturday football
and I love my team on Sunday. And that's it.
(06:12):
Like Friday, I get off of work. I want to
see my team win. They'll they'll call for a coach's head,
and they'll get a coach out of there.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
In high school, the same exact.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Way they go after every other level from College to
pro So Mike Tomlin, I'm certain, even though he says
he has learned to absorb it, I'm certain you never
get used to the ferocity and the passion behind wanting
you to be removed and lose your job when something
(06:43):
doesn't go the way that you would like for it
to go.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I mean, when you accept that job, there's a lot
that comes with the glory of it and the greatness
of it and the resources that go into it. But
there's a lot that comes out of it that isn't
always the most you know, the easiest, the easiest way
to handle or the easiest way to have to deal
(07:07):
with with being successful.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
So I thought he had statements.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well though this had to have been a long time coming,
though it had to have been to make the decision
he made. It had to have been a long time coming,
and it had to have been one where he's probably
looking at across the field saying, dude, they've got a
it's not even their second stringer, it's a third string quarterback.
And we feel like we did enough. I mean, we
(07:31):
feel like we held them to thirteen points. We should
be able to win that game. Yeah, I mean bottom line,
like like that's that was probably the most damning thing
where he's looking at saying like, I've dealt with this
too much. We need to be able to win games
and score more than thirteen points.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Isn't an unreasonable request? Like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And think about the amount of draft picks they've now
invested into this team. Now you have is a first
round pick, if I'm not mistaken. Can he Pickett a
first round pick? I'm not mistaken. You look at Friar youth,
look at George Pickens's like the way they've built this
roster through recent drafts, and.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Even Dantae Johnson even though he's been around a little older.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They've spent a lot of draft capital on the offensive
side of the ball, and they're just not getting any
results whatsoever from it. And that defense, as good as
it is, can only hold up for so long. Like
people talking about when to play complimentary football, I mean,
you can't compliment anything if it's all one sided, and
(08:38):
that just gets frustrating, right, I mean it's not that
I think about Like we talked about football, and the
football is always in a great metaphor for like life,
like relationships. If one person a relationship feels like they're
doing all the work, they're doing all the little things
around the house, they're doing all the things to whatever
it is, you know, help with the kids, everything like
that gets wearing, Like eventually that wears out, that doesn't
(09:01):
work anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
And that's how this is man like that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
This is a defense that literally has been kind of
pushed to the edge of saying, yeah, this is gonna
be hard to sustain. If we were to be a
playoff team, if we wouldn't have any success, We've got
to be able to score more points. And the guy
who's kind of leading us direct this in that way
is not the right guy for it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I detailed, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I've detailed his history, like he really had a couple
of standout years as a play caller Pittsburgh twenty sixteen
and then going back to his time at NC State
his final year there and that was it, and he really,
you know, kind of looked for the next opportunity, the
next opportunity, the next opportunity with every stop he made
after that, and there was never really any results. So
(09:48):
the hiring in the first place back in twenty twenty
one made no sense to me. So this has kind
of been a long time coming, and I'm sure there's
a lot of Steelers fans who are happy about if.
The problem is you have no idea what this offense
is going to look like. With Mike Solivan and Eddie
Faulkner now called plays and solvents have a ton of experience,
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he should be able to take this thing over, open
some things up, see what they have and Kenny Pickett
and maybe they get a bounce back like we saw
from Buffalo versus the Jets where Joe Brady took over
the play calling there. But you're kind of, you know,
cross your fingers hoping that this happens.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
We have no clue how the rest of the season
is going to go offensively, right.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So first offensive Plaguegainst in Cincinnati this weekend? What are
you thinking? Flea flicker bomb?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
No, they just break out all just take a shot.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, why fumble, Ruski? I mean, whatever you got in
your bag, just bring it out just to make everybody
happy for one week and then just go back to
score eleven points a game after that? Why not? This
is your chance, you know, like, let him fly a
little bit here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, you can I ask you, guys a question that
this is more in the lines of Lee this morning,
because he's texting me.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
We're having a side conversation. How's Lee doing? How's he
doing this morning? Good?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
That's great?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Is he good? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:04):
I got, I got, I got receipts to send your ways, Brady,
you need Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm just saying, man like, I'm looking through some stuff
not seeing anything.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
What happened here? What are we?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
What are we talking? I asked her.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
If he said the rundowns, it's I hadn't received it yet,
and it's not that uncharacteristic, given Lee's weekend slash, given
a holiday.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Coming up, that Lee might be a little behind on
some things.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Do you have a couple of throat burners off snightly? Nope?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Negative? Yeah, I'm in anything that is correct? Wow, he
took it completely day off? Yeah? Sure, happy?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And you want to know why?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Really, that's that's that's abnormal, to be honest, that's that's abnormal.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And I mean it happens.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's a few days a week. I don't drink for sure,
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
What's what's more typical? You not having a drink or
you having a drink.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
More typical for me to have a drink.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Sure, you got.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
More days than that. I'll have had a beverage.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
You have a cocktail at least.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's a big night though, it's high
score reunion night.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
After all that, right, Well, it's going to get after it.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Yeah, we're doing a little yeah, yeah, that's gonna happen.
We're gonna yeah, that's gonna happen. My god, little go
into a movie.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Little little cocktail before, a little cocktail after cocktail during.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
Oh yeah, almost forgot about that. I forgot about the
hip flask.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah that is, by the way, is it the tealing
whiskey hip flask or did we give that to Sam?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I kept the teeling.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
You put on your belt. How do you wear the
hip flask? No, it goes in the pocket.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I'm a cargo shorts.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Guys still rocking the cargo shorts all right, yep.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I'm one of those. I mean where you I mean, listen,
you gotta put your bottles something at least I use
at least I use the pockets.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Most guys, you the big lead.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
Most people who have cargo shirts don't utilize the extra space.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Oh man, well, it is the record. I'm pretty sure
you left me off the email. I'm just I'm pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Sure I just sent you the receipt. It's got your
name next to the timestamp.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Interesting, Okay, this what says six oh two?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
No, it says it says fifty five. Okay, Hey, I
think everything is workout just fine.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I think it's all going to work out, just just fine.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
You know, there it is. You know why you sweat me?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Bar? Who's sweating you? It is?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Calling for our offensive coordinators head on the show. You
know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
No kidding, all right. By the way, I think I
would be fired right yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Technically I feel like Jonas is the quarterback and the
o s.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He's like old school.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh no, yeah, I've each dropped jobs home conversations before
the shows. You're definitely the play caller as well as
the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So trying to be we came to be. Jonas would
have to go.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
It's it's collaborative.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Did you see the sinister voice? Did year the sinister voice?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It would mean that you know, Jonas has to go
messed up?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Man, Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington,
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Speaker 4 (14:36):
Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
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couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up
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Speaker 4 (14:44):
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Speaker 9 (14:45):
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Speaker 5 (15:16):
Come on, bar, lets get fired up, Come on var Showice,
Let's get some lotion.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
For our hands.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I already did it. Oh you missed it.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I'm glad we missed it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Already lathered up, me too, ready to go. I'm trying
to get a so lotion sponsorship. So I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do what's that? What do you mean you know what
wants any part of that?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You don't want your hands to feel it's getting chippy out?
Speaker 4 (15:40):
No, I don't, dude, you don't want your hands.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
On what jo I feel a little bit softer out
in that cold weather. Come on, you gotta be sitting
on the but hey, you could either do that or
go isotoners. You know, and if I wear isotoners, nobody
will see my thumb ring. So I gotta go lotion.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
So just the way I'll be wearing gloves this week.
I made that mistake last time.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
That happened.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, I did wear long Johns or like any thermples,
and it was freezing, and I always try to be tough,
a tough guy, and I wear gloves. I was just like, nope,
I'm not moving around enough. I'm just sitting sitting there
in a chair for three hours, like I need to
be moving around in order for me to feel like
somewhat warm. So that was a mistake. Thermals. Yeah, long
(16:23):
Johns sounds so old school.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Funny, you know what, though, I needed the long Johns,
Like nowadays thermals are like just an underlayer that's supposed
to be warmer. I need the old school, like I
don't know what material that is, but the actual like
thermal like where it's gonna look crappy in a suit.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
But I will be comfortable and warm, So I'd rather
wear those.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Does it have the does it open up in the
back like the old school?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
At least there were people can mock those guys back
in the day, but they were thinking correctly. They were yeah,
they were Yeah, they were absolutely thinking. You know, listen,
we to make this easy on people. They don't don't
want to pull it all the way down.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So you got to understand though about like way back then,
that was obviously like more at the precipice of their thought,
Like that was more on the forefront of, hey, these
are the things that I need to find food, I
need to be able to go to the bathroom. I
need like we were they were worried about social media
or like the news or whatever else was going on.
(17:23):
They were like way more concerned with the day to
day activities. So of course they put a precedent on like, hey,
I need to have quick exit, you know, and then
they've had that, it needs to come out.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Quick, you know, the button back up and we're ready to.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Top a squad somewhere. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I was at my son's football game the other day
and it was freezing, freezing, freezing cold, and.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I went to the reseru uh oh and everything.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I gotta be honest, I was watching my hands, I
was drawing my hands, and as I was turning to
walk out, I saw the old head man and he
went to the bathroom the old head way.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I hate to admit it, but I did. Oh.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
He dropped all the way down to his knees, his
trousers all the way down to his knees.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
And that's what this conversation made me think of.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Ask me why I just thought it was so funny.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Why do people do that?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
It's yeah, it is. It is odd. I mean, it's
a little weird. And there are two things that I
don't get at the urinal, and we've talked about it before.
I don't get the flushing mid stream while you're going.
That doesn't make any sense to where people start going
and then they'll flush. I don't understand it. And I
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don't understand people that can't just unbutton.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Or on zip.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
They just drop all the way down to their knees
and then sometimes let their bare as hang out. I
don't get it. I don't understand it, like that's the
advantage to having outdoor plumbing.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I gave it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That Isn't that like a childhood thing? Like like when
you're a kid, you do it. But when you're when
you're like, what age do you stop dropping your.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
About?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
What age?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
About?
Speaker 10 (19:20):
Four?
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Four?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Four or five? You'll figure it out eventually.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
All right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Sorry, I'm sorry, but that's what this made me think about.
I'm sorry. Don't ask me why I took it. It
just it was too funny to me, and I was
it was just funny, and I was going to send
it to somebody, and I never ended up sending it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
But JO made you think about it.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
So I said to y'all, well, listen, if you do
need to run out and get some gloves or some
long Johns, you're gonna probably get in your car, and
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Before we hear from a couple of future Hall of famers,
one specifically who's got some critiques about the NFL, we
do want to mention this. This came out a short
time ago, according to the NFL Network. Joey Bosa of the Chargers.
The report is he suffered a right foot sprain at
lambeau Field this past Sunday. They are placing him on
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injury reserve. He does have a chance to return this season.
But this is a guy who's dealt with injuries in
the past. This is an organization who can't not help
but deal with injuries all the way through the past
few years. And so another bit of bad news for
the Chargers. Joey Bosa going on IR. So that's unfortunate
for the Bolts.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But Jolie, man, it's frustrating for f you're a La
Chargers fan. They just cannot ever have a season where
everyone stays healthy. I don't know, maybe that's asking for
a lot. Is that asking for a lot?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I mean, at least get like just some piece of
good luck here or there, you know, like just something
like the Quintin.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Eckler missed some time this year.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Just they're always have guys deal with injuries, and I
know when most cases were like, yeah, that's every team,
I don't know, the ones that like the ones that
are able to make it through a season usually unscathed.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
In that way, it tend to always be the better teams.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Are in competition with, Like I don't want to jinx
Kansas City, but like, look at Kansas City, Like how
often are we talking about like guys like they're their
top guys, like missing time or being out of town.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I feel like you don't see that quite as often.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
And even when Kelsey was banged up this year, he
wasn't gone for that long. I mean he came back
and they were you know, they're still rolling. Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I mean, the Chargers deal with the more injuries that
any team.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It feels like to their star players, it's ridiculous and
it stinks because that roster's loaded and they just have
never been able to kind of keep everyone healthy, everyone
together and then see what they're truly capable of.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Try having them as your Super Bowl pick that's super
disappointed team this year.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's fine, super disappointing.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Yeah, well, speaking of disappointment, Tom Brady's disappointed. He's upset.
He's upset with the current state of the NFL. He
was on the Steven A. Smith Show and had his
thoughts about what's wrong with the current state of the
National Football League.
Speaker 10 (22:23):
I think there's a lot of mediocrity in today's NFL.
I don't see the excellence that I saw in the past.
I think the coaching isn't as good as it was.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I don't think the development of young players is as
good as it was.
Speaker 10 (22:33):
The rules have allowed a lot of bad habits to
get into the actual performance of the game. So I
just think the product, in my opinion, is less than
what it's been.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think I look at a lot of.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Players like Ray Lewis and Rodney Harrison and Ronnie Lott
and guys that impacted the game in a certain way,
and every hit they would have made would have been
a penalty. Your coach is complaining about their own player
being tackling and not necessarily, why don't they talk to
their player about how to protect themselves. We used to
work on the fun the mental of those things all
the time. Now they're trying to be regulated all the time.
(23:04):
Offensive players need to protect them, Sell. It's not a
defensive player to protect offensive player. A defensive player needs
to protect him.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Sell.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I didn't throw the ball to certain areas because I
was a freak. Players are going to get knocked out.
That's the reality. I didn't throw it to the middle
when I played ray Lewis because you knock him out
of the game, and I couldn't afford.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
To lose a good player.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So that was Tom Brady talking with Steven Smith. Now real.
Aaron Rodgers also doubled down on it. He was on
the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk yesterday and he
basically said, and went on to point out, listen, it's
big picture more the softening of society. So those are
two legends, guys that have played the game for that time,
y Gloss, I mean to listen, you know, he took
(23:44):
an opportunity. You want to hear Rogers. I mean he's
got a little.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I guess like I kind of want to hear it now.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
All right, So let's listen to Rodgers on the Pat
mcabee show starring A. J.
Speaker 11 (23:54):
Hawk if I'm looking at this from a real big picture,
like there's a softning of society that has definitely caused
things like this. Look at all the sports, you know
what happened to hockey. Hockey is not doesn't have the
enforcer positions. Why because we need the fighting out of
hockey is too violent, you know, and people don't want
to see the violence on TV. I think people want
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to see football be a collision sport and not you know,
to where guys are getting mangled on the field, but
they enjoy the big hits. And there's certain players who
you just knew were big hitters and would push, you know,
push the line of what's a cheap shot and and
what's a legit hit.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So that was Rogers talking about it and Waning as
well too.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Quarterbacks saying it though, well, because I think we're the
ones that you know, especially around the protections, because this
is where it all started, I feel like, was what
Todd Brady got his knee taken out and the protections
for what the NFL deems is defensives. Players started to
get ramped up so that injury occurred to Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
What is eight? Was that the year? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Right?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
After the near perfect season.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, so you know you start getting now quarterbacks you
can't hit him.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You have to hit them in a certain frame, certain area.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And it's evolved now to the point where literally, if
you're a defensive player, you can't fall on top of
the quarterback. You have to somehow sack the quarterback, and
then you have to protect You have to not worry
about yourself, but protect the quarterback and yourself as you
fall to the ground.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Imagine living in that world.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
So you know, you've got this instance of the true
protections for the quarterback because they're the face of the
franchise and the face of the league. It really started
then and it's evolved now where it's been extended to
other players. And because I think in part fantasies become
so big. Offensive scoring is so important to the league.
I mean, any fan will tell you, and you if
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you did a study, you hear, Okay, no one wants
to see a.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Thirteen to ten ball game.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
They'd rather see a thirty to twenty seven, you know,
a forty to thirty six game.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Where there's more scoring.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's just the reality of how the fan base takes
into an account the excitement of the game.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They want to see scores.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's one of the reasons why I feel like soccer
doesn't resonate as much with a lot of people in America.
I know there's a huge fan base for soccer in
some ways, but it's not like Europe, it's not like
other international countries. And it's important because like there's just
not a lot of scoring. I mean, it's constant play,
but it's like, ah, okay, I'm really getting that jacked
up about a one to nothing game.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Now. Don't get me wrong. I like soccer.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I appreciate for what it is, but there's other sports
where you look at it and you go through baseball.
But baseball is at his peak. It was a steroid era.
Dudes were launching balls left and right. It's scoring home
run after home run. Like that was fun to watch
the back and forth between Mark maguire and Sammy Sosa
and then Barry Bonds and how amazing he was at
(26:59):
the end.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Like that's just that's what we like.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And because there's been such a concern about quarterbacks getting hurt,
and we've seen that this year, we've witnessed that as
far as scoring being down, how many unders have been
hitting on a weekly basis, and then on top of that,
the playmakers who are making those plays.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I mean, it got to the point when I was playing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Where you know, you're considered defenseless as a receiver when
you're in the act of catching the football. So now
the manner in which you're hit has changed for the
defense so that.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That player is protected and he doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, to Tom Brady's point, you knew as a quarterback
you weren't gonna throw the ball into a tight window.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
And you know what happens a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You ever seen what a quarterback throws behind a guy
who's on an end cut or a slay route.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
You don't know why that happens.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
More often than not, they decapitated.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, because they feel the defensive player coming and they're
actually trying to throw to a spot where that player
is either gonna get catch it or it's gonna be incomplete,
but either way they're gonna get blown up. It is
literally a natural human reaction for quarterbacks where they know
they've they've done this a thousand times. They feel where
there's a tight window there, and they feel where their
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guy's running and the guy running towards them. They're not
going to throw them into that like it's been drilled
out of you.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You could try all you want.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And when you see quarterbacks throw into that, oftentimes it's
because they don't see that defender coming towards the receiver.
I don't know any quarterback who would throw a wide
receiver into that or they're just they literally just missed
or that and were that inaccurate with it. But for
the most part, they're always gonna end up throwing behind
because they want to protect that guy.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's a subconscious thing.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And so what happened is once those rules changed where
the receivers in the act of catching were considered defenseless,
I mean you could go back and then we talked
about Drew Brees earlier.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
The Saints had a name for it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
They called it NAP, a non aggressive position, And the
whole point of it was they were going to throw
those seam routes.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Remember when they used to throw to Jimmy Graham up
the seam All the time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We'll think about having a six foot six tight end
that can run like a deer, and it is a
big target game. Elevate and catch and guess what he
gets protection.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
He can't hit him.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So now you could throw that ball up into harm's
way and into a bunch of traffic because you know
they can't hit him like they used to. And so
as long as the defender had his back turned all
right to you, as the quarterback, as he's chasing that guy,
that was a non aggressive position. You were going to
throw that ball up into that tight window, into that space,
up that seam because you knew he was protected and
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the ball was protected because the dB can't see it. Now,
if the DB's looking back at the quarterback and has
a vision of the wide receiver, they call that aggressive position.
So the only reason you don't throw that ball is
not because the tight coverage. You would throw it because
that dB has the chance of picking that ball off.
But now like those tight windows have nothing to do
anymore with guys not getting hurt because they're protected. So
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the game has changed dramatically for that reason, and it's
changed the manner in which how quarterbacks throw the football.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Even when you got an enforcer in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
You know, guys like Bobby Wagner, guys like Fred Warner
who are going to be hitters right their strengths, their
skill set can't be on full display because of the
way the league has changed the rules, and it's unfortunate,
it really is.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
I just the problem with it, and m Rodgers alluded
to this and another clip where you said, you know
the moving target, like that's the part that always bothers
me is how they're expecting these defenders in real time
to be able to adjust how they're going to lay
ahead on somebody when a receiver's moving or a ball
carrier is moving and everybody's trying to avoid contact or
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get out of the way, and yet we're punishing those
guys based on a still frame when there's no still
frame in that moment in time. It's a moving target,
like the strike zone is moving around. And the comp
I always think about is if you are a pitcher,
imagine trying to throw to your target but it's moving
all around the plate like you can't like are throwing
a strike, and they're expecting these guys to throw strikes
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with their hits, and if they don't, they get pop
fifteen yards and then get a check in the mail
for you know, here's thirty five thousand dollars in you're out,
like and all of this being said, I don't think
it's ever going to go back to what it was like,
if anything, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Like that's what it feels like to me, and so
like nobody likes it, but nothing's going to be done
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about it.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Why do you think they're pushing the flag football? I mean,
I'm seriously, this is like a conspiracy theory. Why do
you think everyone's pushing flap flag football? It's more inclusive
and there's way less of a chance of injury, guys
can play longer, the whole thing. Like, Wow, there's a
reason why they're pushing a sport like flag football, which
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is not football.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Why would that become an Olympic sport? And all these
years we've been playing football? Wow, why didn't football become
an Olympic sport?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Why they have to? Why did why did to the
Olympics have to be play.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
It would like it would like the NBA being like,
all right, we're gonna have horse in the Olympics next year.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I mean in a way, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What you know I don't understand too, is like its
auth America. You know, if like if we're going to
try to get something to be an Olympic sport.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
We want to flaunt our strength. But yes, it's almost
like putting on like a military show, you know, like
like other.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Countries like have the tanks and everything else come out,
they go out the parade, everyone's waving the flag. It's
like like the Olympics are all opportunity to be like, no,
this is our sport. It's called American football, and we're
gonna beat the ever living crape of everyone else, and
it's going to send a signal to every other country
out there the wants to test us.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Okay, We're still the USA, right. That's what I don't
get about this.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's like, oh, it's flag, Oh okay, Like you're not
flexing on the rest of the world like America usually
does and can. That's probably the most disappointing thing for me.
It's like when we really wanted to in basketball, we
put out the dream team that was like, oh okay,
no one's even close to as good as the US, right,
why not do the same thing with the Olympics, with
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the actual American tackle football and not flag football.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That would be way more fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Oh hell yeah, I'm into it. I'm into it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
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Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right now, we are going to present something that is
also normally done on a Friday. We take a closer
look at college football with nobody better than the one
and only the face of Big Noon Kickoff, Brady Quinn
with another installment of Quinn's wins.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Let's go all right, all right, here we go. All right,
I've got three games for you this week.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'm gonna start off and what used to be deemed
the Civil War, I'm not even sure if I want
to say that anymore, but Oregon statee traveling to Eugene, Oregon.
It's the number sixteen team the country, the Beavers taking
on the number six Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This line's sitting at thirteen and a.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Half at least the last time I looked at it.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Who knows if there's been in a movement over under
set a sixty two look.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oregon State came off a tough, disappointing loss to Washington
last week at home.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was a tight one.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I think you're gonna see Jonathan Smith, the phenomenal head
coach for the Beavers, trying to implement a similar strategy
against Oregon, who is clicking on all cylinders. You're not
going to find a more balanced team maybe outside of
Georgia this season than Oregon. Their top tenants, scoring on defense,
top sent and scoring on offense. Ficks very maywell could
win the Heisman Trophy. He's going to set an NCAA
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record for completion percentage. He's completing almost eighty percent of
his passes right now. He's got forty total touchdowns this season.
He's third in FBS and yards and passing, so he's
setting the world on fire right now the way he's played.
So give a lot of credit to Bo Nicks and
the Oregon Ducks. And look Oregon State, I think they've
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got to try to play this game in a similar
fashion of how they tried to play Washington. Slowed the
game down, utilize your running backs Martinez and Fenwick, and
try to not allow Djungla to be under pressure. We
saw last week a couple of a couple of interceptions.
That's usual when that comes about, but this is a
big number.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I don't feel great about the line.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'll lay the thirteen and a half points here because
I think Oregon knows in order for them to still
find a way into the College Football Playoff, not only
do they have to win out and win the Patchwork Championship,
they have to win convincingly to convince the committee they
should go in over a potential undefeated Florida State ACC champ.
So I would lay the thirteen and a half points.
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Style points matter here, and I also like the over
of sixty two. I think that's actually the better play.
It's probably next up, let's go to the Iron Bowl.
I know Auburn's not ranked, that's outside of our normal
way of doing this, but they are playing at Jordan
Hare on the road. Alabama is a fourteen and a
half point favorite. Last time I looked. It's a big number.
But here's the thing. Auburn just got blown out by
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New Mexico State last week, and it simply comes down
to this.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
If you stop Darquez Hunter, the.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Running back, the outstanding running back at Auburn, there's really
not much that Auburn can do offensive. They struggle to
score points. Look, they've played people close this year. They
took Georgia down to the wire where they did Brock
Bowers to make some late game heroics in order to win.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
But this Bama team is on a roll right now.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Their defense statistically is right up there next to Georgia
and the SEC, and in jalb. Milroe since the beginning
of the season has really turned things on. Thirty one
total touchdowns this season to only six interceptions, he's completing
sixty six percent of his passes. He's continually grown and
got better as offensive coordator Tommy Reese has continually built
this offense to potentially be an SEC champ. So lay
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the fourteen and a half points. I know it's a
big number, but again, this Alabama team is much better
than what we saw earlier in the season, and it
feels like Auburn's trending in the other direction. And speaking
of trends, the final one, the big one the game
Ohio State at mission in number two versus number three
up in ann Arbor, Michigan, Michigan. Last time we look,
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they're given three and a half points at home the
over runners said at forty six points. This one feels
like the two teams are training in different directions. Michigan's
played some tight games over the past couple of weeks,
and if you look at their team, they're pretty banged
up right now. Jaj McCarthy's doing with an ankle injury
that he suffered versus Penn State. The left tackle la
Darius Henderson missed last week, Miles hitting his backup he
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played for him, he went out of the game injured.
So the offensive line has struggled to protect and run
block quite the same as what we've seen in the
years past. And their top wide receiver from Michigan, Robin Wilson,
he left with a shoulder injury last week. He's the
best player they've got to create big plays in separation
in the passing game, and McCarthy has not looked the
same throwing the football over the.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
So a lot of concerns there on the side of
Michigan with their health and where they're at, whereas Ohio
State is continually built, moving built upwards with the way
they're running the football. Trayvon Henderson of the last four
game games averaging one hundred and twenty five yards per game,
which will put him third in the country right now
in five tds in that span. He's a legitimate home
run hitter, and he protects the guy that LaVar talked about,
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Marvin Harrison Junior. When you have a running back who
could do what he has done in the last four games,
you can't put as much attention on Marvin Harrison Junior,
not to mention Kate Stover, a Mecca Abuka, all the
other weapons that they have. It really comes down to
Ohio State on offense of whether or not Kyle McCord
can distribute the football and not put the football on
Harm's way, which is a big question mark, especially on
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the road. The X factor for me is the Ohio
State defense under defense cordator Jim Knowles.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
They've been phenomenal since he's gotten there. They've continually improved.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Here's a stat for you, and this, honestly could be
the difference This game the last two years has come
down to big plays and Ohio State struggled last year.
They give him eighteen plays of over forty yards so
far this year, only one giving up the entire season.
So Jim Knowles, that defense done an incredible job. I
like Ohio State, and you take the three and a
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half points on the road in an arbor to cover
the number and don't be surprised if they don't outright win.
It just feels like right now, Michigan's banged up and
they're trying to limp into this one, and this Ohio
State team has been built up now to beat and
counteract what we've seen from Michigan the past couple of years.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
That's what I'm talking about right there.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I think you're right. I think you're right, and thank
you for oh State weekend. I hate to say it.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Want me to give you my favorite bet of the
week though, Yeah, well yes, it's the under of South
Carolina and Clemson.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I know people don't like betting unders normally, but Clemson's
the number one total defense the a season, the only
given about twenty one points a game right now. At
South Carolina's really struggled with Cox. Jonas' is Cox have
really struggled to be able to score points. They're average
about twenty eight and they've scored over twenty points like
five times this season, but three of those times where
versus Furman, Jacksonville State, and Vand who's got the worst
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defense in the SEC. So it's a bit of a
skewed number, but the under of South Carolina and Clemson,
which again Clemson jumped right back up in the top
twenty five rankings in the playoff rankings, and that over
unders said at fifty two. So that's my favorite bed
of the week, and I think that's one that's easily.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Going to hit.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
The Cocks are trying to get Bowl eligible, you know,
trying to get to that six win mark.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So good luck Clemson and Dabosweeney feel like they still
got something to prove with the way they've been talked
about treated this season, and they really have to continued
to kind of come around.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
You don't think there's going to be a any Cocks.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
In the bowl, No Cox in the bowl this year?
Speaker 5 (40:36):
What about Jacksonville State? Maybe they'll get Aren't they the
game Cox too? I think they are. I think yeah.
I think there was Gamecock on game Cock a couple
of weeks ago. South Carolina and Jacksonville State. I think
they played each other from that mistaken Oh.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
I believe you're right they are of the game Cocks.
Yeah sick. I don't realize you could have two game Cocks.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah you can't. I mean, if you know, if you
want to if you're into that. Yeah, Edguleott for sure. Wow,
So there is another edition of Quinn's wins here on Fox.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Stick the landing with that tennis or was that? Or what?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Did we? Did we roll out? Did we did we
fall down? Did we break an ankle?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Like nah, stuck it
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