December 5, 2023 • 39 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Bengals beat the Jaguars in overtime after Trevor Lawrence left MNF with an ankle injury. The Jets and Robert Saleh continue to mismanage the Zach Wilson situation and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
And how about the Cincinnati Bengals point dogs on the
road and Jake Browning was slanging it last night and
the Cincinnati Bengals are back to five hundred and a
big win. Yeah, that was impressive man. Yeah, and Evan
McPherson gets it done late. But just to see Jake
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Browning step in there and play the way he did. Obviously,
the Trevor Lawrence injury, which we can get into, is
a big deal. But it did feel like regardless of
the injury, Cincinnati was competitive throughout and it felt like
the right team won that game last night, if I'm
being honest just watching the game in total, Even though
Tyler Boyd playing quarterback at that spot probably wasn't the
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most ideal play call in the world, it did feel
like the right team one considering how they played the
entire game.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, Brenham was phenomenal. I mean in particular in the
first half, and I just we're getting to a point
where we don't leave any It's like we don't leave
any chance or hope for backups or teams with backups
to come.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And win games.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I mean, that's the reality of if you look at
like the Florida State situation, that's in essence what the
College Football Playoff Committee did, and even in the NFL.
I mean, we'll get into a conversation about the Jets
and that scenario and everything else, Like it's just crazy
how we feel like if the starter can't go, oh well,
there goes the season. And I don't know, there's something
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that bothers me about it. I mean, in one way,
I understand the importance of a quarterback as much as
anyone else, but I also understand the importance of the
team around them, and I feel like that's an element
that we just continually miss out on. It's a good
Cincinnati Bengals roster. If you have a quarterback who can
distribute the football like Jake Browning did last night, you're
gonna have an opportunity in any game you play because
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they're so talented that they have enough playmakers.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So I just it was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
To see that that game be as competitive as it was,
because it didn't look like that and I was thinking, man,
this is like an opportunity for Jacksonville to take a
stranglehold of that number one overall see in the AFC,
and it's anything but Man, this is gonna be a fun,
fun playoff race down the rest of the way to
see not only who's in, but what the city looks
like as well.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I think what you're saying, and I don't want to
put words in your mouth, obviously, but football has always
been considered the ultimate team sport, and when one goes down,
the mantra has always been what Q next?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Guy up? I mean, that's always been what it's been.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And uh, you know, and we always joke about it,
but riverside is a real thing. No matter what the
position is, riverside, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
A real thing.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And and so I mean, hell, that's how we do
it here, right, Yes, one of us goes down, what
happens riverside?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Man, and the show keeps on riverside that thing.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Hey, listen, I've never heard the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe's show not go on air because one
of us wasn't on, not one time.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
So the show does go on.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
And you got to perform, and and so going into
the game, you're looking at Cincinnati. I'm looking at Cincinnati
like their defense is still their defense, and their offensive
weapons are still their offensive weapons. So even though they've
been struggling on offense as of late, there's still the
potential there that they can figure it out and pull
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it together. I mean, at some point you got to
realize backups are are pretty much scout team players, so
they're getting good reps, they're just not getting they're not
getting the starting offense reps. They're they're doing scout team reps.
So they're throwing the ball against better guys in practice
than most likely what the starters are.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
The starters are.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Working on timing, they're working on reeds, it's situational football.
But the backups they're going against the defense and they're
throwing the ball against the defense and they're giving the
defense looks. So you gotta get a guy acclimated enough
to speed on being a starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's just how it is.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
You don't have one hundred players on your roster, so
it works differently. And I think you saw last night
that there there is you know, they're they're adjusting to
life without you know, Joe Burrow and there as the quarterback.
And although I didn't think it was a pretty win,
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you know, it wasn't the prettiest of wins. But they
were super competitive and they put points on the board.
And while it wasn't you know, kind of I guess
I wouldn't say you would be overwhelmed by the way
they put those points on the board. Nonetheless, they were
able to make some plays, got the tight end involve
you know, Jamar made some made his his presence felt
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in the game last evening. So, like you said, again,
a backup quarterback should have the opportunity to live their
underdog story, just like any other player that might be
the starter at some point probably had an underdog story
of their own. So I don't understand why the narrative
has become you know, the starter guy is gone.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Now you're you know, it's done. We have a bunch
of front runners in America. Johnson is that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It makes me sick to be honest with you. Listen,
Cincinnati's the ultimate underdog story. They hadn't won a road
Monday night football game since nineteen ninety and they weren't
going to lose. With those sweet ass white helmets. You
rock those sweet ass white Helmets on national television. You
deserve to win the game. Jake Browning deserves some respect
and some love, and he's going to get it. And
he talked about what he learned following his first start,
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that awful game against the Pittsburgh Steelers last week.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
The ten points in your first start, you're kind of
excited to get another crack at it where you feel
like I had a better week. I kind of knew you.
I was able to reflect on going through a week
of it, which I can watch a Joe or whoever
I've been behind do it a million times, is different
once it's you, And so I was able to kind
of reflect them what was my week like.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And what I need to improve. And it was the
first time in.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
A live pocket for a little while, and first time
in a regular season game for my whole career. So
learned a lot from the Pittsburgh game and was really
able to focus on some of those things throughout the
week of practice. But I think the main thing is
just having those reps and having another week of it,
and we were able to put up points.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Who to thunk it even a bet? You know, you
give him an opportunity to have a second crack at it.
Maybe it'll look a little better in the first time,
you know, especially when you're not playing the Steelers. You know,
who who'd have thought that would that's the way that
would have gone. But Stillers, Yeah, the Steelers, Steelers. But yeah,
I mean Cincinnati still alive. Man sitting at six and six,
just kind of hanging out there, and who knows if
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Jake Brown can play this the way he played. I mean,
I would say, is their quarterback situation in Cincinnati better
than the one in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I've thought that. I thought Flacco looked pretty good man he.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Early on the kind of faded out. I think it's
better for this reason.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I mean, it's one backup who's been there, and it's
you're not rotating a bunch of different guys. Like when
dtr comes back healthy for Cleveland, I don't know that
Flak is gonna be the.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Guy still, That's true.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So that's the problem is it's a kind of Levar's
earlier point, like you've got a guy who's been getting reps,
who's been sitting in that room, who's been preparing as
the backup the whole season. I mean, if they're if
they are getting offensive reps. It's been Jake Browning, so
he's been prepared for this moment. He needs, he needs
the real live game reps.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know. I you listen to people.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sometime talk about and I work with alvar as someone
who says you are what you are.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The problem is most these guys haven't gotten an opportunity. No,
it's not far.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Most of these guys haven't gotten an opportunity to determine
what they are. And most of these guys, with the
more reps they get, become a better version of their self.
I mean, you think that as people and human beings too, right,
you'd like to think that, And that's where you get
this like dumb thought that like, oh these guys are
they are with their now, some of these guys just
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haven't got that opportunity to showcase what they are.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
And that's what you're getting now with Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
He's a very successful quarterback during his time in high school,
a very successful quarterback during his time in college, and
he's been a backup so far in the league. Well,
this is his opportunity and we'll see what that looks like.
There's other backups right now. Gardner Minshew to be in
name one, who's got his team in a position how
to go to the playoffs. Of the playoffs started today,
a lot of people want to write them off. People
run off teams where Josh Dobbs is leading them.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I don't know if Dobbs will lead Minnesota this week,
but we've seen countless, you know, countless things like this happen.
You know, Jordan Love didn't get his opportunity to till
this season. He looks like he's gonna be a good
franchise starting quarterback for them so far. So there's all
those things that are kind of at play here, and
it's just kind of interesting that for some reason we
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tend to write things off when the starter goes out,
like we're like, we're a bunch of front runners and
we don't believe that there's anyone who could step in.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And do the job.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Plus you could do a lot worse than Jamar Chase
and t Higgins.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And that's the reality of it is.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You have to look at what's around them.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
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Speaker 2 (11:11):
So the Jets quarterback situation took another strange turn in
a season of strange turns yesterday. Apparently Robert Sala was
not ready to name a starter following the awful performance
on Sunday from both Tim Boyle and then Trevor Simeon.
Zach Wilson was demoted all the way to third string
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for a second year in a row, and so the
feeling was that's the last we'll see of Zack Wilson. Well,
according to The Athletic, this report came out yesterday that
Zack Wilson was hesitant to return if they asked him
to because of injury risk and Aaron Rodgers I guess.
According to Diana Rassini spoke with Zack Wilson but encouraged
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him to go ahead and want to play, and urged
him to try and campaign to get his old job back.
So apparently he went in and talked with Robert Sala,
and here was Robert Sala discussing the initial report that
Zach Wilson didn't want to play and how that's nonsense.
And what they're status is a QB.
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Let's be clear, if he was reluctant to play, guys,
he wouldn't be here, all right. I actually coincidentally just
got done speaking with him. He came in about a
half hour ago and we had a really good conversation.
The young man wants the ball, he wants to start,
and he believes he's the best quarterback in the room
and best quarterback for this team, and the best and
the guy who gives us the best fans to win.
And I'll tell you, guys, the same thing I told him.
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I appreciate it. I appreciate the fact that he wants
to play. I'm just not there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The hell's going on and he's just not very yet.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What is that? Even? Like? What type of relationship is this?
K Can I take a.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Victory lap on this one for the entirety of what's
happened in the last two years in all seriousness, Like,
did I not say this so when they benched him,
like this was the dumbest thing to do in the
first place. The offense wasn't gonna get better with Tim
Boyle or Trevor Simeon without Rogers in the picture he
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was and is the best option for them. He actually
had improved this year, played better football.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yet they wanted to blame.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Him, and so they bench him and jerk him around.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Now they're trying to bring him back in.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
If he didn't want to come back into this circus
that Robert Salah or whoever else is making decision there
has created. I think we'd all be understanding of that,
because he knows his future is probably not the New
York Jets. It's gonna be Rogers coming back next year
in twenty twenty four. He will most likely move on
to be somewhere else. And as I said earlier this
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year and even before the season, they should have moved on.
It would have been better for Zach Wilson. It would
have been better for the New York Jets. We don't
have to do this whole dancing around whatever Robert Sahlill
wants to get up on the mic and say, that's
just the truth of the matter. It would have been
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better for all parties involved. Have they just moved on
before the season and gone their separate ways. There was
no future for this scenario, and the way they've handled
him this year has been even worse because you have
seen improvement from him. Anyone who's watched all of his
tape and watched all of his games. He's played better
football this year, and it hasn't come with the wins
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because you know this team still has some holes in it.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
The offensive line.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Needs to improve. You know their defense has played well
for the majority of the season. There's still still been
some times when they gave up some stuff. Their running
game has not been as consistent as it was last
year during their win streak.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
So this is all in an effort to try to win.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
A couple of games to at least still get to
that December twenty fourth day where they'd be in playoff
content and Aaron Rodgers could come back. You got Houston
this week and at Miami the next. You win those
two games, you're still in it. At six to eight.
Now they're probably gonna have to win out. But then
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those next three I think about the last three games. Washington,
who's just fallen off by the wayside, who knows if
Ron Rivera is still their head coach?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
By them, Cleveland, who's.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Had now what four quarterbacks play this season, and it's
going to be at least a backup, and their defense
isn't playing as well, they're not running the ball as well,
and then you have New England.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Which that's been just disastrous, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So that's what the Jets are trying to get to,
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
They're trying to stay in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So there's a chance for Aaron Rodgers to maybe come
back for that twelve to twenty four game versus Washington
at home Christmas Eve, and I'm sure Zach Wilson will
end up starting and doing his best he can to
beat a Houston team that's right now out of the
playoffs but still very much in the hunt.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
But the reality is how they've jerked him around this season.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Has not only probably hurt his growth as a quarterback,
but everything else for him long terms the future.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's been all about.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm not sure if it's perception for the for the
lack of decision making that's gone on the front office,
or how you want to describe it, but it's just
ridiculous that we even had to go through this in
the first place. He never should have been benched in
the first place. If they really believed in Zach Wilson,
they would have kept him in there, allowed him to
go through the lumps, built through that adversity become a
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better player on the other side of it, instead of
jerking him around like this.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It's it really is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It doesn't It doesn't bote well for having sympathies or patience.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
For Robert Salah.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It almost it almost paints a picture of him being
an arrogant d bag. If I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's like dysfunctional as well too.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I mean it's it's like, I'm not there yet? What what?
What the blip does that even? What does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Bro? What what are you like?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You're talking about a grown ass man that that has
earned his way and earned his right to have an
opportunity at at being a successful player in the National
Football League. So if you don't feel as though you're
ready yet, I mean at this point, is it more.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
About you or is it more about your players?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And I think that that now, looking at the way
he's handled things with with Zach Wilson, I wouldn't be
shocked or surprised because at times we have seen this
entire team play at a different level that the way
this this this New York defense is playing now is
not the way they played early on in the season.
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It could be the same type of symptomatic results of
a coach that is not relatable to their players. If
you think that the other guys aren't paying attention to
the way Zach is being treated, whether they like him
from what he said last year and taking accountability or not,
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it doesn't matter if I like him as a person.
What matters is I'm looking at how they're treating him
the treatment of my teammate, because he would still be
my teammate. You are creating cracks and you are creating
dissension amongst your team by the way you're handling this situation.
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I could probably guarantee that and not even be close
to the situation that's taking place there. So he is
totally mishandled. Speaking of Robert Salah, the head coach, he
has totally mishandled the situation in a way where if
things continue to go the way that they're going, this
is not more about Zach Wilson. This is more about
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Robert Salah and the leadership of this team.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
They've embarrassed and clowned him two years in a row,
like they've demoted him all the way to third string.
They've made it. It's been a big public spectacle. Now
you've got this back and forth going on. I just
I look at it and I go, this is why.
And I do wonder this as well too. Is this
just Robert Sala's move or it is Joe Douglas involved?
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Like what is the conversation like there? Does he just
have full autonomy to do this whatever he feels right, like, Hey,
we're just gonna demote him and then we'll bring it
back like we did last year, and then we're going
to demote him again, and then maybe we'll bring him
back this year. Or does Joe Douglas have any sort
of say in this, Like That's what I wonder, because
this is it does come off as really dysfunctional. And
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and to Levar's point, I would imagine there's probably people
that are looking around going, damn, it's like that, like
they're doing that to him again and now he might
come And I wonder if there's people in that locker
room where like you know, exact, I don't blame you
don't come back like self preservation.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, if this is it could be me next.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, that's what a player starts to think, because that's
the type of environment that pro football is. If they
could treat this guy, think about if they're treating their
top draft pick quarterback, good looking dude. Right, they're treating
his dude the way they're treating him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Which is the biggest Where do I fall into.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Pecking order all of this? That's right? I mean, if
he was an ugly ass dude, I feel some lotion
hand using. Boy, get up out here. There's another team.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
There's there's another team out there that is uh ironically
for in it right now and ironically has played three
quarterbacks this season, and all also happens to be in
New York. Does it feel dysfunctional with the New York Giants? No,
baby comel Well, but it's not even that it's Tommy.
It's every step of the way. It's felt like, all right,
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this is the situation, this is how we're.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Dealing with it, and they've moved forward.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's like you couldn't have a starker contrast. Even in
the Giants and the Jets, yes, who play they share
the same stadium, Like you couldn't have a starker contrast
with how they've handled adversity where the front office for
the Giants, Brian Dable for the Giants have continually kind
of stayed the course. And yet you get the Jets
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at four and eight, who are just jerking this young
man around. And so I think that's got to be
a hit to Woody Johnson, their owner. And as you
look at Robert sala and you're trying to make a
decision on like, is this the guy to lead this
team in the future. He was four to thirteen in
their first season. Last year, they had a great start
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that absolutely fell off to the wayside and ended up
seven to ten and finished last in the AFC East. Now, look,
this year, they're not gonna be last in the NFC East.
There's only only one team that's got that lockdown.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But they're gonna be third.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And at this rate, if they don't win each of
the next two games, they're going to be, you know,
sitting at home during the playoffs, and you're most likely
going to see Robert Salah again hurt that win loss record.
He's fifteen and thirty one as a head coach for
the New York Jets, and so I would say it's
like push all your chips onto the table for twenty
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twenty four and that's his job security and everything else.
And I almost worried, like what happens this offseason because
if I'm Onnie Johnson, I'm really being harsh and evaluating
how he's handled Zach Wilson, in particular with the way
he's kind of been jerked in and out everything else,
it would make me question his decision making out a
whole lot of other things too.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It like this season shows me and tells me that
Aaron Rodgers is the real leader and coach on that team,
not Robert Sala because the fact that Zach Wilson had
to be like talked into, Like he went over to
the other parent, you know, the cool parent, was like,
this is the one who gives me the best advice
and said, hey, what do you think I should do?
All right, go talk to mom and just go go
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say this that you'll go ahead, Like he didn't go
to Robert Sala willingly if the report from Diana Rassini
is true, like he was basically talked into it by
Aaron Rodgers, which I wonder how many other players on
that team are like, man, like, we'll listen to Aaron,
Like when Aaron's on the sideline, it's a different vibe.
When Aaron's around, it's a different vibe. I do wonder
if Robert Sala has burned some of those bridges there,
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Like it's kind of wild that we're here and he's.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Having Rodgers needs to be careful about a way in
the way that you're explaining it, because when that ship
starts to go down, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I don't
want my reputation being connected to that.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He's like, you got one foot dangling off.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
There, Aaron, Well, he literally got one foot down round.
Come on, Aaron was the reason why Aaron Aaron, Aaron, Aaron,
Aaron Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
And then Aaron gets back, Like, okay, Aaron gets back,
what are you hoping the results to be that he
sets the world on fire. Aaron Rodgers is a.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Just a man. He's just a man.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Like we're creating this narrative that when Aaron Rodgers gets back,
whether it's for one game, that he's going to set
the world on fire.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
It's a setup. Do you think if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I'm not going for that cheese.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's a setup that's not an ultimate end that's that's
your climactical ending of the situation that Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Plays a game for the New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That is a sad commentary if that's what you're looking
for in terms of what your season is supposed to
be as entirety as a whole in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
When you because you were talking about what I thought
was important that Zach Wilson being a good looking dude,
Like do you think that he's better looking than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean again, but here's Rogers A.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Here's the thing though, here's the thing, Jonas, here's the
thing you gotta understand though, And and Q doesn't have
to be in this conversation because he's a good looking dude.
So good looking dudes get uncomfortable about good looking dude conversations, right,
But the bottom line is Aaron Rodgers is.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
A good looking dude. He's a good looking dude. I
think it's just.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
What your preference is in terms of what you think
is good looking, Like Aaron Rodgers is more dark knight
good looking. Wow, wow, Zach Wilson is more boy wonder
good looking. And it just depends on do you want
the main superhero or do you want the sidekick superhero?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think that that's what it comes down.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do you want Thor or Batman?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
No, No, that's not true. That's not that I just
gave you the proper No, he's more Robin. Zach Wilson
is more of a Robin. Boy Wonder is Robin Just
so you didn't know, And that's Batman and Robin. So
do you want Batman or do you want Robin? Like
if they were to do a movie and they cast
it that movie, those two would be the perfect two
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for those roles and those characters.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Great call.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
There you go, you guts out of control? What do
you mean?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Concludes our breakdown of why things are going down the
way that they are for the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I can't believe we're gonna attribute that to that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Robert Salah is waiting for Batman. He don't need no
time with boy Wonder.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And by the way, yet, just so you know, people
like we're being fair here, LeVar did also mention Robert
Sala's skin earlier in the year.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
He's got great skin.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
He takes care of his skin, man and any any
manicures his face and all that stuff like with his
facial hair and stuff, like he knows that that camera
stays on him because it ain't damn sure staying on
his team. Like, he knows that the camera is going
to be in his face and he rocks it. Now,
he don't he don't play around with the way he looks. Now,
don't don't go twisted.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Basically, if the NFL was about looks, the Jets would
be above five hundred. It's not.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
They win it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Therefore their uh, their four. So it is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe here at Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Jonas, you brought that up. She started that whole thing.
Can't end it?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, stupid, I'm talking about. Hey, we got your comprehends
right here.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You know, as ugly bro.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
We love to make it about y'all, Hackerbustard.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
All right, you're mustard.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (27:48):
Eastern three am Pacific. So we open up the show
talking about Monday night football. Last night it was the
Cincinnati Bengals and Jake Browning getting it done on the road,
first road win on Monday Night football for Cincinnati since
nineteen ninety and it was Jake Browning just dealing, wheeling
and dealing. Jamar Chase had a big game, Joe Mixon
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had a big game. Evan McPherson had a big game,
winning it in overtime, and so the Cincinnati Bengals get
it done. But there is two sides of this conversation.
The other side is Jacksonville might have a little bit
of a problem here. Trevor Lawrence goes down with the injury.
His offensive lineman got pushed back, stepped on him, and
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so now he's got an ankle injury. He's been dealing
with a knee issue for several weeks as well too,
so his head coach Doug Peterson spoke about the injury
to Trevor Lawrence postgame.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
I don't have any information yet on Trevor. We're still
evaluating him, you know, so he'll have more you know,
tests and things done here tonight and tomorrow, so I'll
probably have a better update for you tomorrow on that.
But I mean, yeah, we had position players go down. Look,
that's that's part of the game. You know, it happens
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and and it's unfortunate, but you know, next guy up
has to has to be ready to go and play river.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Oh wow, Riverside, Hey, can you play the less part
of what that coach just said.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
One more time? Mark old Dougie p the less part
of Doug b.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, he's gonna pull right now.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, yeah, let's pull that again.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Little Riverside.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
I don't have any information yet on Trevor. We're still
evaluating him, you know, so he'll have'st part, you know,
tests and things done here tonight and tomorrow, so I'll
probably have a better update for you tomorrow than that.
But I mean, yeah, we had position players go down,
you know, but look, that's that's part of the game.
You know, it happens and and it's unfortunate, but you know,
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next guy up has to be ready to go right there.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Stop it right there, Riverside.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I mean this next guy up, man, that's what makes
it the ultimate team sport. Now, that is a tremendous law.
That is a tremendous loss. But you know what, in
the Ultimate team sport, you find a way and you know,
and that's just always the next guy yup.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
It's so funny, it's so interesting. If you're wondering why
I did that, people out there, make sure you check
out the Two Pros and the Cup of Joe podcast
because well, we talked about this earlier in the show.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Great point.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I mean the other thing is, no one knows it
better than Doug Peterson. He played backup in the NFL,
so I think he understands obviously that that dvantage point
of being a starter being a backup and the importance
of that not only to a team, but I mean, hell,
he won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles in Philadelphia,
so I think his perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Is as good as anyone's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And try to get this team to rally and realize
they're still in the lead in the AFC South. They're
they're you know, slated to be a playoff team if
the playoffs started today, but their work's not done. They
have an easier schedule if you really look at it.
But the real thing is, depending on the severity of
the injury to Trevor Lawrence, this team's got to fight,
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and they've got a claw, and they got to find
their way to get that number one overall seed they
get to buy, they'd get home field advantage throughout and
so not knowing when Trevor Lawrence would be able to
come back, this at least provides you that opportunity to
be able to potentially get him back ready for the playoffs,
again not knowing what exactly the injury is. But either way,
like it's still all out there for them. They've just
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got to get everything up to speed and they're gonna
have to have guys much very similar to what we
saw for Cincinnati and Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon and
McPherson and all the other parties involved. They have to
step up their level of play. I think it's almost
like today and maybe this is a bad sign, but
you know, you have a guy go down and someone's like, oh, well,
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maybe the season's over.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We shouldn't really keep fighting for it.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's like, no, like Philly didn't do that when they
went on to win a Super Bowl Nick Foles. There's
other teams who've had scenarios like that where they've moved
on to be able to overcome that. M It's like
it's almost like our mentality has changed where all this
sort of goes down all right to watch first season,
you know, look on to next year.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
It's like, no, you still have an opportunity this year.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
To do something special. It's just everyone's gonna believe that
way in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
There's been a lot of injuries to quarterbacks in the
NFL this year, and I don't know if it's just me,
but it feels like it's more so than we've seen.
Like it's I would say majority of tea or at
least half teams in the NFL have dealt with some
sort of a quarterback injury. And if you look around
like just the AFC North for example, I mean everybody
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outside of Baltimore has dealt with a quarterback injury. And
Lamar Jackson his health has always been called into question,
especially late in the year. It just it's interesting. I
think there's six quarterbacks, starting quarterbacks who are who are
out for the year that started the season as the
number one, and then you've got all these random injuries
of quarterbacks missed in three four weeks, and then when
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it comes to Jacksonville man, all of a sudden, Houston
and Indianapolis are right behind him like they're a game
back and yeah, Jacksonville's got you know, some tiebreakers and
a better division record, But if Lawrence is going to
miss some time, then you start to wonder, Okay, what
about the division because Houston doesn't seem like they're going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
C J.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Stroud continues to play well, and you got Minshew Maney
and Indianapolis him and jimmy Ers probably going to Happy
Hour two times a week, and then he's got his
team in a playoff spot right now. Like if I'm Jacksonville,
that's concerning here, Like you got problems now all of
a sudden, the number one seed? What about just winning
the division? So it feels like that could be an
issue for them also in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Sure yeah, sure, I mean agains still a lot of
football left we played, and I mean, I don't know,
pull up Houston schedule versus Jacksonville. Like I think looking
at it from the beginning of the season, it felt
like Jacksonville had a little easier stretch down the way
as compared to Houston.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
But again Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Houston's wins last last week was huge because now he
does it give them a leg up on Denver within
the AFC wildcard race, But Also it keeps, you know,
them in striking distance of Jacksonville, who, you know, not
having Trevor Lawrence really looks vulnerable right now.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
All right, So the Houston Texans schedule to finish up
the season sitting at seven and five, a game behind Jacksonville.
They're at the Jets, They're at the Titans. They've got
the Browns the Titans again, and then at Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ooh, that's pretty soft.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, and then let me give you Jacksonville's. Yeah, they're
at Cleveland versus Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
That's that's gonna be tough on.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
At least they got them at home at Tampa Bay
versus Carolina at Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
With potentially a backup quarterback for majority of those, Houston
might win this division.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
How far out are they one game? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, But if you think about it, doesn't Jacksonville in
the head to head.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think they split or do they split?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And they split? There you go, well, then now you
gotta put C. J. Stroud in that conversation, Like you said,
c That's what I'm saying, MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He should be in regardless, Like if people need them
to win the division to win the MVP, I don't
think that should be the case.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
It should be you know, who's the player that looks
like the.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Most valuable and you cannot find another player who's given
I think a roster more of a lyft than c J.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean think about that, like if you say Dak Prescott, okay,
but their defense is dominant.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Seedee Lamb's a big.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Piece that too. You could say, you know, tou and
Tyreek Hill, but then they kind of play off of
one another. You could say Rock Purdy that he's got
Christian McCaffrey is a part of that conversation. So it's
just if you're looking at one singular person and look
at CJ.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
By the way, Tank Dell does goes down, Nico Collins
almost has two hundred yards. I just I think he's
made the case he should be MVP or at least
HISS trending if he continues this based on his consistent
ability to keep his tea in games and help his
team win games.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Would you say Houston is there's some value in taking
Houston to win that division?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Oh yeah, they're plus odds right now?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Would assume, yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So if you're looking at just the NFC South, so
obviously Tennessee. It's I mean, you know, you bet ten
dollars on Tennessee to win that division, you'll win a
Rolls Royce like, it's not going to happen. But if
you were to win, if you were to bet one
hundred dollars on the Houston Texans to win the AFC
South right now, with the injury to Trevor Lawrence, you
would get plus three fifty in return. So three three
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fifty gets you the payback there. And then you got
Indy at plus five hundred. So Jacksonville still again the
favorite there at minus two forty. But it does feel
like this that game against Denver, big deal, the overtime
win for Indianapolis, big deal, and then the loss last
night and the injury to Trevor Lawrence, you might have
changed things in the AFC South there. So and look
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what did you what do you make of Lawrence's play
this year so far? Anyways, a little bit disappointing, and
considering everyone there was the expectation that they won a
playoff game last year. They were competitive. Maybe he takes
a step it feels all of it, Yeah, but it
did feel like there was something a little off there
with them. I don't know what. Yeah, well, I think
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he also had the knee issue, which they were kind
of a little I don't know if sketchy's the right term,
but they weren't totally forthcoming with it until a couple
of weeks after the fact and just kind of acknowledge it.
He's dealing with a little bit of a knee issue.
I just wonder how healthy he's been the whole year anyways,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Bye bye uh his his QB like kind of deal.
I mean, it's it's been kind of up and down,
a little up and down, I mean, but I think
he's he's performed at a high level. I think he's
kept them competitive and and up until hearing about this
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injury or seeing the injury take place, I don't think
anyone would have sat there and said that with the
way Jacksonville's defense plays and what they have weapons wise
on offense, that they wouldn't be a team which they
lost a receiver last night, too, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
What's his Christian or something?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Kirk, Yeah, he already heard his growing or something. I mean,
I don't think he was playing out an MVP level,
but I do think he was playing well enough for
his team to be in the mix. So I don't know.
I don't know that you say that that's off or
or not as good as last year. I don't know.
I don't I didn't think they were dominant last year.
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I don't think they're dominant this year. They're just able
to win games.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
By the way I thought. I just thought Christian Kirk
got hitting the balls. It was the way he turned,
he'll be up and no problem. But then when I
saw everybody taking a knee around him, I said, oh,
because normally when somebody gets hitting the balls, you just
kind of laugh at him.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, but shouldn't you take a knee for a
guy that gets hitting his in his you know place.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Guys don't do that. They normally laugh even though they
should take a knee.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, I would take I mean that that should be
the injury that you take a knee for the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You know, you would think, Okay, guys are savages though, man.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I mean I could get a knee replacement, hip replacement,
you know, you could, you know, do a lot of
things to me, you know, surgically, but I just wouldn't
want to have to deal with any repercussions or.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Setbacks and with that that.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Body part, yeah man, you know, so they should take
a knee for that one.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, anything, they definitely should
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
And how about the Cincinnati Bengals point dogs on the
road and Jake Browning was slanging it last night and
the Cincinnati Bengals are back to five hundred and a
big win. Yeah, that was impressive man. Yeah, and Evan
McPherson gets it done late. But just to see Jake
(00:34):
Browning step in there and play the way he did. Obviously,
the Trevor Lawrence injury, which we can get into, is
a big deal. But it did feel like regardless of
the injury, Cincinnati was competitive throughout and it felt like
the right team won that game last night, if I'm
being honest just watching the game in total, Even though
Tyler Boyd playing quarterback at that spot probably wasn't the
(00:57):
most ideal play call in the world, it did feel
like the right team one considering how they played the
entire game.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, Brenham was phenomenal. I mean in particular in the
first half, and I just we're getting to a point
where we don't leave any It's like we don't leave
any chance or hope for backups or teams with backups
to come.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
And win games.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I mean, that's the reality of if you look at
like the Florida State situation, that's in essence what the
College Football Playoff Committee did, and even in the NFL.
I mean, we'll get into a conversation about the Jets
and that scenario and everything else, Like it's just crazy
how we feel like if the starter can't go, oh well,
there goes the season. And I don't know, there's something
(01:44):
that bothers me about it. I mean, in one way,
I understand the importance of a quarterback as much as
anyone else, but I also understand the importance of the
team around them, and I feel like that's an element
that we just continually miss out on. It's a good
Cincinnati Bengals roster. If you have a quarterback who can
distribute the football like Jake Browning did last night, you're
gonna have an opportunity in any game you play because
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they're so talented that they have enough playmakers.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So I just it was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
To see that that game be as competitive as it was,
because it didn't look like that and I was thinking, man,
this is like an opportunity for Jacksonville to take a
stranglehold of that number one overall see in the AFC,
and it's anything but Man, this is gonna be a fun,
fun playoff race down the rest of the way to
see not only who's in, but what the city looks
like as well.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I think what you're saying, and I don't want to
put words in your mouth, obviously, but football has always
been considered the ultimate team sport, and when one goes down,
the mantra has always been what Q next?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Guy up? I mean, that's always been what it's been.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And uh, you know, and we always joke about it,
but riverside is a real thing. No matter what the
position is, riverside, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
A real thing.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And and so I mean, hell, that's how we do
it here, right, Yes, one of us goes down, what
happens riverside?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Man, and the show keeps on riverside that thing.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Hey, listen, I've never heard the Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe's show not go on air because one
of us wasn't on, not one time.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
So the show does go on.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
And you got to perform, and and so going into
the game, you're looking at Cincinnati. I'm looking at Cincinnati
like their defense is still their defense, and their offensive
weapons are still their offensive weapons. So even though they've
been struggling on offense as of late, there's still the
potential there that they can figure it out and pull
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it together. I mean, at some point you got to
realize backups are are pretty much scout team players, so
they're getting good reps, they're just not getting they're not
getting the starting offense reps. They're they're doing scout team reps.
So they're throwing the ball against better guys in practice
than most likely what the starters are.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
The starters are.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Working on timing, they're working on reeds, it's situational football.
But the backups they're going against the defense and they're
throwing the ball against the defense and they're giving the
defense looks. So you gotta get a guy acclimated enough
to speed on being a starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's just how it is.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
You don't have one hundred players on your roster, so
it works differently. And I think you saw last night
that there there is you know, they're they're adjusting to
life without you know, Joe Burrow and there as the quarterback.
And although I didn't think it was a pretty win,
(04:54):
you know, it wasn't the prettiest of wins. But they
were super competitive and they put points on the board.
And while it wasn't you know, kind of I guess
I wouldn't say you would be overwhelmed by the way
they put those points on the board. Nonetheless, they were
able to make some plays, got the tight end involve
you know, Jamar made some made his his presence felt
(05:18):
in the game last evening. So, like you said, again,
a backup quarterback should have the opportunity to live their
underdog story, just like any other player that might be
the starter at some point probably had an underdog story
of their own. So I don't understand why the narrative
has become you know, the starter guy is gone.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Now you're you know, it's done. We have a bunch
of front runners in America. Johnson is that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It makes me sick to be honest with you. Listen,
Cincinnati's the ultimate underdog story. They hadn't won a road
Monday night football game since nineteen ninety and they weren't
going to lose. With those sweet ass white helmets. You
rock those sweet ass white Helmets on national television. You
deserve to win the game. Jake Browning deserves some respect
and some love, and he's going to get it. And
he talked about what he learned following his first start,
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that awful game against the Pittsburgh Steelers last week.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
The ten points in your first start, you're kind of
excited to get another crack at it where you feel
like I had a better week. I kind of knew you.
I was able to reflect on going through a week
of it, which I can watch a Joe or whoever
I've been behind do it a million times, is different
once it's you, And so I was able to kind
of reflect them what was my week like.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And what I need to improve. And it was the
first time in.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
A live pocket for a little while, and first time
in a regular season game for my whole career. So
learned a lot from the Pittsburgh game and was really
able to focus on some of those things throughout the
week of practice. But I think the main thing is
just having those reps and having another week of it,
and we were able to put up points.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Who to thunk it even a bet? You know, you
give him an opportunity to have a second crack at it.
Maybe it'll look a little better in the first time,
you know, especially when you're not playing the Steelers. You know,
who who'd have thought that would that's the way that
would have gone. But Stillers, Yeah, the Steelers, Steelers. But yeah,
I mean Cincinnati still alive. Man sitting at six and six,
just kind of hanging out there, and who knows if
(07:20):
Jake Brown can play this the way he played. I mean,
I would say, is their quarterback situation in Cincinnati better
than the one in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I've thought that. I thought Flacco looked pretty good man he.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Early on the kind of faded out. I think it's
better for this reason.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I mean, it's one backup who's been there, and it's
you're not rotating a bunch of different guys. Like when
dtr comes back healthy for Cleveland, I don't know that
Flak is gonna be the.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Guy still, That's true.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So that's the problem is it's a kind of Levar's
earlier point, like you've got a guy who's been getting reps,
who's been sitting in that room, who's been preparing as
the backup the whole season. I mean, if they're if
they are getting offensive reps. It's been Jake Browning, so
he's been prepared for this moment. He needs, he needs
the real live game reps.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know. I you listen to people.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Sometime talk about and I work with alvar as someone
who says you are what you are.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The problem is most these guys haven't gotten an opportunity. No,
it's not far.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Most of these guys haven't gotten an opportunity to determine
what they are. And most of these guys, with the
more reps they get, become a better version of their self.
I mean, you think that as people and human beings too, right,
you'd like to think that, And that's where you get
this like dumb thought that like, oh these guys are
they are with their now, some of these guys just
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haven't got that opportunity to showcase what they are.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
And that's what you're getting now with Jake Browning.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
He's a very successful quarterback during his time in high school,
a very successful quarterback during his time in college, and
he's been a backup so far in the league. Well,
this is his opportunity and we'll see what that looks like.
There's other backups right now. Gardner Minshew to be in
name one, who's got his team in a position how
to go to the playoffs. Of the playoffs started today,
a lot of people want to write them off. People
run off teams where Josh Dobbs is leading them.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I don't know if Dobbs will lead Minnesota this week,
but we've seen countless, you know, countless things like this happen.
You know, Jordan Love didn't get his opportunity to till
this season. He looks like he's gonna be a good
franchise starting quarterback for them so far. So there's all
those things that are kind of at play here, and
it's just kind of interesting that for some reason we
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tend to write things off when the starter goes out,
like we're like, we're a bunch of front runners and
we don't believe that there's anyone who could step in.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And do the job.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Plus you could do a lot worse than Jamar Chase
and t Higgins.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And that's the reality of it is.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You have to look at what's around them.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yes, three twelve, go ahead, Jonas. Why are you gets
so quiet? Yeah? You got a quiet? I mean, can
you drive like what you're doing that? Love is green
right here?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You go like LeVar he takes a break.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
The light is green. Jonas Knox. You are listening to
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Speaker 2 (11:11):
So the Jets quarterback situation took another strange turn in
a season of strange turns yesterday. Apparently Robert Sala was
not ready to name a starter following the awful performance
on Sunday from both Tim Boyle and then Trevor Simeon.
Zach Wilson was demoted all the way to third string
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for a second year in a row, and so the
feeling was that's the last we'll see of Zack Wilson. Well,
according to The Athletic, this report came out yesterday that
Zack Wilson was hesitant to return if they asked him
to because of injury risk and Aaron Rodgers I guess.
According to Diana Rassini spoke with Zack Wilson but encouraged
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him to go ahead and want to play, and urged
him to try and campaign to get his old job back.
So apparently he went in and talked with Robert Sala,
and here was Robert Sala discussing the initial report that
Zach Wilson didn't want to play and how that's nonsense.
And what they're status is a QB.
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Let's be clear, if he was reluctant to play, guys,
he wouldn't be here, all right. I actually coincidentally just
got done speaking with him. He came in about a
half hour ago and we had a really good conversation.
The young man wants the ball, he wants to start,
and he believes he's the best quarterback in the room
and best quarterback for this team, and the best and
the guy who gives us the best fans to win.
And I'll tell you, guys, the same thing I told him.
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I appreciate it. I appreciate the fact that he wants
to play. I'm just not there yet.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The hell's going on and he's just not very yet.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What is that? Even? Like? What type of relationship is this?
K Can I take a.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Victory lap on this one for the entirety of what's
happened in the last two years in all seriousness, Like,
did I not say this so when they benched him,
like this was the dumbest thing to do in the
first place. The offense wasn't gonna get better with Tim
Boyle or Trevor Simeon without Rogers in the picture he
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was and is the best option for them. He actually
had improved this year, played better football.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yet they wanted to blame.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Him, and so they bench him and jerk him around.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Now they're trying to bring him back in.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
If he didn't want to come back into this circus
that Robert Salah or whoever else is making decision there
has created. I think we'd all be understanding of that,
because he knows his future is probably not the New
York Jets. It's gonna be Rogers coming back next year
in twenty twenty four. He will most likely move on
to be somewhere else. And as I said earlier this
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year and even before the season, they should have moved on.
It would have been better for Zach Wilson. It would
have been better for the New York Jets. We don't
have to do this whole dancing around whatever Robert Sahlill
wants to get up on the mic and say, that's
just the truth of the matter. It would have been
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better for all parties involved. Have they just moved on
before the season and gone their separate ways. There was
no future for this scenario, and the way they've handled
him this year has been even worse because you have
seen improvement from him. Anyone who's watched all of his
tape and watched all of his games. He's played better
football this year, and it hasn't come with the wins
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because you know this team still has some holes in it.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
The offensive line.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Needs to improve. You know their defense has played well
for the majority of the season. There's still still been
some times when they gave up some stuff. Their running
game has not been as consistent as it was last
year during their win streak.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
So this is all in an effort to try to win.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
A couple of games to at least still get to
that December twenty fourth day where they'd be in playoff
content and Aaron Rodgers could come back. You got Houston
this week and at Miami the next. You win those
two games, you're still in it. At six to eight.
Now they're probably gonna have to win out. But then
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those next three I think about the last three games. Washington,
who's just fallen off by the wayside, who knows if
Ron Rivera is still their head coach?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
By them, Cleveland, who's.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Had now what four quarterbacks play this season, and it's
going to be at least a backup, and their defense
isn't playing as well, they're not running the ball as well,
and then you have New England.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Which that's been just disastrous, all right.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So that's what the Jets are trying to get to,
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
They're trying to stay in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So there's a chance for Aaron Rodgers to maybe come
back for that twelve to twenty four game versus Washington
at home Christmas Eve, and I'm sure Zach Wilson will
end up starting and doing his best he can to
beat a Houston team that's right now out of the
playoffs but still very much in the hunt.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
But the reality is how they've jerked him around this season.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Has not only probably hurt his growth as a quarterback,
but everything else for him long terms the future.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's been all about.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm not sure if it's perception for the for the
lack of decision making that's gone on the front office,
or how you want to describe it, but it's just
ridiculous that we even had to go through this in
the first place. He never should have been benched in
the first place. If they really believed in Zach Wilson,
they would have kept him in there, allowed him to
go through the lumps, built through that adversity become a
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better player on the other side of it, instead of
jerking him around like this.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It's it really is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It doesn't It doesn't bote well for having sympathies or patience.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
For Robert Salah.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
It almost it almost paints a picture of him being
an arrogant d bag. If I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's like dysfunctional as well too.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I mean it's it's like, I'm not there yet? What what?
What the blip does that even? What does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Bro? What what are you like?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
You're talking about a grown ass man that that has
earned his way and earned his right to have an
opportunity at at being a successful player in the National
Football League. So if you don't feel as though you're
ready yet, I mean at this point, is it more.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
About you or is it more about your players?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
And I think that that now, looking at the way
he's handled things with with Zach Wilson, I wouldn't be
shocked or surprised because at times we have seen this
entire team play at a different level that the way
this this this New York defense is playing now is
not the way they played early on in the season.
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It could be the same type of symptomatic results of
a coach that is not relatable to their players. If
you think that the other guys aren't paying attention to
the way Zach is being treated, whether they like him
from what he said last year and taking accountability or not,
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it doesn't matter if I like him as a person.
What matters is I'm looking at how they're treating him
the treatment of my teammate, because he would still be
my teammate. You are creating cracks and you are creating
dissension amongst your team by the way you're handling this situation.
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I could probably guarantee that and not even be close
to the situation that's taking place there. So he is
totally mishandled. Speaking of Robert Salah, the head coach, he
has totally mishandled the situation in a way where if
things continue to go the way that they're going, this
is not more about Zach Wilson. This is more about
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Robert Salah and the leadership of this team.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
They've embarrassed and clowned him two years in a row,
like they've demoted him all the way to third string.
They've made it. It's been a big public spectacle. Now
you've got this back and forth going on. I just
I look at it and I go, this is why.
And I do wonder this as well too. Is this
just Robert Sala's move or it is Joe Douglas involved?
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Like what is the conversation like there? Does he just
have full autonomy to do this whatever he feels right, like, Hey,
we're just gonna demote him and then we'll bring it
back like we did last year, and then we're going
to demote him again, and then maybe we'll bring him
back this year. Or does Joe Douglas have any sort
of say in this, Like That's what I wonder, because
this is it does come off as really dysfunctional. And
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and to Levar's point, I would imagine there's probably people
that are looking around going, damn, it's like that, like
they're doing that to him again and now he might
come And I wonder if there's people in that locker
room where like you know, exact, I don't blame you
don't come back like self preservation.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean, if this is it could be me next.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, that's what a player starts to think, because that's
the type of environment that pro football is. If they
could treat this guy, think about if they're treating their
top draft pick quarterback, good looking dude. Right, they're treating
his dude the way they're treating him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Which is the biggest Where do I fall into.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Pecking order all of this? That's right? I mean, if
he was an ugly ass dude, I feel some lotion
hand using. Boy, get up out here. There's another team.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
There's there's another team out there that is uh ironically
for in it right now and ironically has played three
quarterbacks this season, and all also happens to be in
New York. Does it feel dysfunctional with the New York Giants? No,
baby comel Well, but it's not even that it's Tommy.
It's every step of the way. It's felt like, all right,
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this is the situation, this is how we're.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Dealing with it, and they've moved forward.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's like you couldn't have a starker contrast. Even in
the Giants and the Jets, yes, who play they share
the same stadium, Like you couldn't have a starker contrast
with how they've handled adversity where the front office for
the Giants, Brian Dable for the Giants have continually kind
of stayed the course. And yet you get the Jets
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at four and eight, who are just jerking this young
man around. And so I think that's got to be
a hit to Woody Johnson, their owner. And as you
look at Robert sala and you're trying to make a
decision on like, is this the guy to lead this
team in the future. He was four to thirteen in
their first season. Last year, they had a great start
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that absolutely fell off to the wayside and ended up
seven to ten and finished last in the AFC East. Now, look,
this year, they're not gonna be last in the NFC East.
There's only only one team that's got that lockdown.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But they're gonna be third.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And at this rate, if they don't win each of
the next two games, they're going to be, you know,
sitting at home during the playoffs, and you're most likely
going to see Robert Salah again hurt that win loss record.
He's fifteen and thirty one as a head coach for
the New York Jets, and so I would say it's
like push all your chips onto the table for twenty
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twenty four and that's his job security and everything else.
And I almost worried, like what happens this offseason because
if I'm Onnie Johnson, I'm really being harsh and evaluating
how he's handled Zach Wilson, in particular with the way
he's kind of been jerked in and out everything else,
it would make me question his decision making out a
whole lot of other things too.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It like this season shows me and tells me that
Aaron Rodgers is the real leader and coach on that team,
not Robert Sala because the fact that Zach Wilson had
to be like talked into, Like he went over to
the other parent, you know, the cool parent, was like,
this is the one who gives me the best advice
and said, hey, what do you think I should do?
All right, go talk to mom and just go go
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say this that you'll go ahead, Like he didn't go
to Robert Sala willingly if the report from Diana Rassini
is true, like he was basically talked into it by
Aaron Rodgers, which I wonder how many other players on
that team are like, man, like, we'll listen to Aaron,
Like when Aaron's on the sideline, it's a different vibe.
When Aaron's around, it's a different vibe. I do wonder
if Robert Sala has burned some of those bridges there,
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Like it's kind of wild that we're here and he's.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Having Rodgers needs to be careful about a way in
the way that you're explaining it, because when that ship
starts to go down, if I'm Aaron Rodgers, I don't
want my reputation being connected to that.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He's like, you got one foot dangling off.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
There, Aaron, Well, he literally got one foot down round.
Come on, Aaron was the reason why Aaron Aaron, Aaron, Aaron,
Aaron Aaron.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
And then Aaron gets back, Like, okay, Aaron gets back,
what are you hoping the results to be that he
sets the world on fire. Aaron Rodgers is a.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Just a man. He's just a man.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Like we're creating this narrative that when Aaron Rodgers gets back,
whether it's for one game, that he's going to set
the world on fire.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
It's a setup. Do you think if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I'm not going for that cheese.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's a setup that's not an ultimate end that's that's
your climactical ending of the situation that Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Plays a game for the New York Jets.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
That is a sad commentary if that's what you're looking
for in terms of what your season is supposed to
be as entirety as a whole in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
When you because you were talking about what I thought
was important that Zach Wilson being a good looking dude,
Like do you think that he's better looking than Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean again, but here's Rogers A.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Here's the thing though, here's the thing, Jonas, here's the
thing you gotta understand though, And and Q doesn't have
to be in this conversation because he's a good looking dude.
So good looking dudes get uncomfortable about good looking dude conversations, right,
But the bottom line is Aaron Rodgers is.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
A good looking dude. He's a good looking dude. I
think it's just.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
What your preference is in terms of what you think
is good looking, Like Aaron Rodgers is more dark knight
good looking. Wow, wow, Zach Wilson is more boy wonder
good looking. And it just depends on do you want
the main superhero or do you want the sidekick superhero?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think that that's what it comes down.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do you want Thor or Batman?
Speaker 5 (25:42):
No, No, that's not true. That's not that I just
gave you the proper No, he's more Robin. Zach Wilson
is more of a Robin. Boy Wonder is Robin Just
so you didn't know, And that's Batman and Robin. So
do you want Batman or do you want Robin? Like
if they were to do a movie and they cast
it that movie, those two would be the perfect two
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for those roles and those characters.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Great call.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
There you go, you guts out of control? What do
you mean?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Concludes our breakdown of why things are going down the
way that they are for the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I can't believe we're gonna attribute that to that.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Robert Salah is waiting for Batman. He don't need no
time with boy Wonder.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And by the way, yet, just so you know, people
like we're being fair here, LeVar did also mention Robert
Sala's skin earlier in the year.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
He's got great skin.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
He takes care of his skin, man and any any
manicures his face and all that stuff like with his
facial hair and stuff, like he knows that that camera
stays on him because it ain't damn sure staying on
his team. Like, he knows that the camera is going
to be in his face and he rocks it. Now,
he don't he don't play around with the way he looks. Now,
don't don't go twisted.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Basically, if the NFL was about looks, the Jets would
be above five hundred. It's not.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
They win it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Therefore their uh, their four. So it is two Pros
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Speaker 4 (27:16):
Jonas, you brought that up. She started that whole thing.
Can't end it?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, stupid, I'm talking about. Hey, we got your comprehends
right here.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You know, as ugly bro.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
We love to make it about y'all, Hackerbustard.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
All right, you're mustard.
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Speaker 2 (27:48):
Eastern three am Pacific. So we open up the show
talking about Monday night football. Last night it was the
Cincinnati Bengals and Jake Browning getting it done on the road,
first road win on Monday Night football for Cincinnati since
nineteen ninety and it was Jake Browning just dealing, wheeling
and dealing. Jamar Chase had a big game, Joe Mixon
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had a big game. Evan McPherson had a big game,
winning it in overtime, and so the Cincinnati Bengals get
it done. But there is two sides of this conversation.
The other side is Jacksonville might have a little bit
of a problem here. Trevor Lawrence goes down with the injury.
His offensive lineman got pushed back, stepped on him, and
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so now he's got an ankle injury. He's been dealing
with a knee issue for several weeks as well too,
so his head coach Doug Peterson spoke about the injury
to Trevor Lawrence postgame.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
I don't have any information yet on Trevor. We're still
evaluating him, you know, so he'll have more you know,
tests and things done here tonight and tomorrow, so I'll
probably have a better update for you tomorrow on that.
But I mean, yeah, we had position players go down. Look,
that's that's part of the game. You know, it happens
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and and it's unfortunate, but you know, next guy up
has to has to be ready to go and play river.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Oh wow, Riverside, Hey, can you play the less part
of what that coach just said.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
One more time? Mark old Dougie p the less part
of Doug b.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, he's gonna pull right now.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Okay, yeah, let's pull that again.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Little Riverside.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
I don't have any information yet on Trevor. We're still
evaluating him, you know, so he'll have'st part, you know,
tests and things done here tonight and tomorrow, so I'll
probably have a better update for you tomorrow than that.
But I mean, yeah, we had position players go down,
you know, but look, that's that's part of the game.
You know, it happens and and it's unfortunate, but you know,
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next guy up has to be ready to go right there.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Stop it right there, Riverside.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I mean this next guy up, man, that's what makes
it the ultimate team sport. Now, that is a tremendous law.
That is a tremendous loss. But you know what, in
the Ultimate team sport, you find a way and you know,
and that's just always the next guy yup.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
It's so funny, it's so interesting. If you're wondering why
I did that, people out there, make sure you check
out the Two Pros and the Cup of Joe podcast
because well, we talked about this earlier in the show.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Great point.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I mean the other thing is, no one knows it
better than Doug Peterson. He played backup in the NFL,
so I think he understands obviously that that dvantage point
of being a starter being a backup and the importance
of that not only to a team, but I mean, hell,
he won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles in Philadelphia,
so I think his perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Is as good as anyone's.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And try to get this team to rally and realize
they're still in the lead in the AFC South. They're
they're you know, slated to be a playoff team if
the playoffs started today, but their work's not done. They
have an easier schedule if you really look at it.
But the real thing is, depending on the severity of
the injury to Trevor Lawrence, this team's got to fight,
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and they've got a claw, and they got to find
their way to get that number one overall seed they
get to buy, they'd get home field advantage throughout and
so not knowing when Trevor Lawrence would be able to
come back, this at least provides you that opportunity to
be able to potentially get him back ready for the playoffs,
again not knowing what exactly the injury is. But either way,
like it's still all out there for them. They've just
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got to get everything up to speed and they're gonna
have to have guys much very similar to what we
saw for Cincinnati and Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon and
McPherson and all the other parties involved. They have to
step up their level of play. I think it's almost
like today and maybe this is a bad sign, but
you know, you have a guy go down and someone's like, oh, well,
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maybe the season's over.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
We shouldn't really keep fighting for it.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's like, no, like Philly didn't do that when they
went on to win a Super Bowl Nick Foles. There's
other teams who've had scenarios like that where they've moved
on to be able to overcome that. M It's like
it's almost like our mentality has changed where all this
sort of goes down all right to watch first season,
you know, look on to next year.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
It's like, no, you still have an opportunity this year.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
To do something special. It's just everyone's gonna believe that
way in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
There's been a lot of injuries to quarterbacks in the
NFL this year, and I don't know if it's just me,
but it feels like it's more so than we've seen.
Like it's I would say majority of tea or at
least half teams in the NFL have dealt with some
sort of a quarterback injury. And if you look around
like just the AFC North for example, I mean everybody
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outside of Baltimore has dealt with a quarterback injury. And
Lamar Jackson his health has always been called into question,
especially late in the year. It just it's interesting. I
think there's six quarterbacks, starting quarterbacks who are who are
out for the year that started the season as the
number one, and then you've got all these random injuries
of quarterbacks missed in three four weeks, and then when
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it comes to Jacksonville man, all of a sudden, Houston
and Indianapolis are right behind him like they're a game
back and yeah, Jacksonville's got you know, some tiebreakers and
a better division record, But if Lawrence is going to
miss some time, then you start to wonder, Okay, what
about the division because Houston doesn't seem like they're going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
C J.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Stroud continues to play well, and you got Minshew Maney
and Indianapolis him and jimmy Ers probably going to Happy
Hour two times a week, and then he's got his
team in a playoff spot right now. Like if I'm Jacksonville,
that's concerning here, Like you got problems now all of
a sudden, the number one seed? What about just winning
the division? So it feels like that could be an
issue for them also in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Sure yeah, sure, I mean agains still a lot of
football left we played, and I mean, I don't know,
pull up Houston schedule versus Jacksonville. Like I think looking
at it from the beginning of the season, it felt
like Jacksonville had a little easier stretch down the way
as compared to Houston.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
But again Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Houston's wins last last week was huge because now he
does it give them a leg up on Denver within
the AFC wildcard race, But Also it keeps, you know,
them in striking distance of Jacksonville, who, you know, not
having Trevor Lawrence really looks vulnerable right now.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
All right, So the Houston Texans schedule to finish up
the season sitting at seven and five, a game behind Jacksonville.
They're at the Jets, They're at the Titans. They've got
the Browns the Titans again, and then at Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ooh, that's pretty soft.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, and then let me give you Jacksonville's. Yeah, they're
at Cleveland versus Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
That's that's gonna be tough on.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
At least they got them at home at Tampa Bay
versus Carolina at Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
With potentially a backup quarterback for majority of those, Houston
might win this division.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
How far out are they one game? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, But if you think about it, doesn't Jacksonville in
the head to head.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I think they split or do they split?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:58):
And they split? There you go, well, then now you
gotta put C. J. Stroud in that conversation, Like you said,
c That's what I'm saying, MVP.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He should be in regardless, Like if people need them
to win the division to win the MVP, I don't
think that should be the case.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
It should be you know, who's the player that looks
like the.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Most valuable and you cannot find another player who's given
I think a roster more of a lyft than c J.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean think about that, like if you say Dak Prescott, okay,
but their defense is dominant.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Seedee Lamb's a big.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Piece that too. You could say, you know, tou and
Tyreek Hill, but then they kind of play off of
one another. You could say Rock Purdy that he's got
Christian McCaffrey is a part of that conversation. So it's
just if you're looking at one singular person and look
at CJ.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Stroud.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
By the way, Tank Dell does goes down, Nico Collins
almost has two hundred yards. I just I think he's
made the case he should be MVP or at least
HISS trending if he continues this based on his consistent
ability to keep his tea in games and help his
team win games.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Would you say Houston is there's some value in taking
Houston to win that division?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Oh yeah, they're plus odds right now?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Would assume, yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So if you're looking at just the NFC South, so
obviously Tennessee. It's I mean, you know, you bet ten
dollars on Tennessee to win that division, you'll win a
Rolls Royce like, it's not going to happen. But if
you were to win, if you were to bet one
hundred dollars on the Houston Texans to win the AFC
South right now, with the injury to Trevor Lawrence, you
would get plus three fifty in return. So three three
(36:35):
fifty gets you the payback there. And then you got
Indy at plus five hundred. So Jacksonville still again the
favorite there at minus two forty. But it does feel
like this that game against Denver, big deal, the overtime
win for Indianapolis, big deal, and then the loss last
night and the injury to Trevor Lawrence, you might have
changed things in the AFC South there. So and look
(36:59):
what did you what do you make of Lawrence's play
this year so far? Anyways, a little bit disappointing, and
considering everyone there was the expectation that they won a
playoff game last year. They were competitive. Maybe he takes
a step it feels all of it, Yeah, but it
did feel like there was something a little off there
with them. I don't know what. Yeah, well, I think
(37:21):
he also had the knee issue, which they were kind
of a little I don't know if sketchy's the right term,
but they weren't totally forthcoming with it until a couple
of weeks after the fact and just kind of acknowledge it.
He's dealing with a little bit of a knee issue.
I just wonder how healthy he's been the whole year anyways,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Bye bye uh his his QB like kind of deal.
I mean, it's it's been kind of up and down,
a little up and down, I mean, but I think
he's he's performed at a high level. I think he's
kept them competitive and and up until hearing about this
(38:00):
injury or seeing the injury take place, I don't think
anyone would have sat there and said that with the
way Jacksonville's defense plays and what they have weapons wise
on offense, that they wouldn't be a team which they
lost a receiver last night, too, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
What's his Christian or something?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Kirk, Yeah, he already heard his growing or something. I mean,
I don't think he was playing out an MVP level,
but I do think he was playing well enough for
his team to be in the mix. So I don't know.
I don't know that you say that that's off or
or not as good as last year. I don't know.
I don't I didn't think they were dominant last year.
(38:42):
I don't think they're dominant this year. They're just able
to win games.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
By the way I thought. I just thought Christian Kirk
got hitting the balls. It was the way he turned,
he'll be up and no problem. But then when I
saw everybody taking a knee around him, I said, oh,
because normally when somebody gets hitting the balls, you just
kind of laugh at him.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
I mean, but shouldn't you take a knee for a
guy that gets hitting his in his you know place.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Guys don't do that. They normally laugh even though they
should take a knee.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Yeah, I would take I mean that that should be
the injury that you take a knee for the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
You know, you would think, Okay, guys are savages though, man.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
I mean I could get a knee replacement, hip replacement,
you know, you could, you know, do a lot of
things to me, you know, surgically, but I just wouldn't
want to have to deal with any repercussions or.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Setbacks and with that that.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Body part, yeah man, you know, so they should take
a knee for that one.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, anything, they definitely should
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