December 6, 2023 • 38 mins
Mike McDaniels is downplaying the fact that the Dolphins are currently the #1 seed in the AFC. NCAA President Charlie Baker makes a proposal to make a new Division 1 tier. Plus, the Good, Bad, and the Ugly.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, what you know about it? Bar a lot? Yeah,
because I hear it every show now. It's just never
getting changed. It's never going to change.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
By the way, I would love it if we found
out that the reason why the intros haven't changed because
you haven't green Lyddy, No, because Lee hasn't sent him
in because he just forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That might be what it is. It might be what
it is. Box.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's like, oh, you forgot the hit, so no lead
the first time, right, yeah, no, lead to laugh clearing
his head right now?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did that bother you? No, not at all. It's a
new one though. I mean, well, you tell somebody at
two pm dur in the course of the day that
they need to clear their head for the whole entire
day at night. I mean you know, no, it didn't
bother me at all. I told you just clear his head,
(00:57):
soft lotion hand boy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
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Lots of those privileges. Well, it is two pros and
a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Slavar Arrington,
Brady Quinn Jonas knocks with you as always.
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as it stands right now, in the NFL, your number
(01:40):
one seeds are the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles. Now,
obviously there's a handful of games left to be played.
But when Mike McDaniel was asked about that, the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins, he said, quote, call me
when it's a thirteen game season, that's singing game. So
(02:03):
what So that's Mike McDaniel's take on the whole thing.
So I would like to throw this question at you guys,
since we're only handing out one of these as it stands,
until they expand to eight teams in the playoffs, Since
you're only handing out one seed on either side that's
going to get a buye and so we've got one
bye week to hand out. Which team in each conference?
(02:25):
Would you say needs the bye week and needs home
field advantage more so than anybody else. Casey, you think
it's Case, I think they're one of the teams that
needed the least because they've done it so many times.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think they need the home field advantage more so
this year than ever. I think it's Detroit and Miami
who needs it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I think there's a couple of ways you can look
at it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think to Lvar's point, I would say Case sealing
because it provides them such an advantage. That place is
so loud, We know how good they are at home,
and so because of the history of them just straight
making it to an AFC championship game every single year,
one less game to play two games at home in
that environment, and you've got a birth into a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We won them both.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So if you stacked up, for example, the AFC teams.
As far as who's in the running for the number
one seed KSE, Miami, Baltimore like Case and Baltimore, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Know if needs the word. Maybe Once should want to
have it more because it creates such an advantage.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Because I just I think if it's Jacksonville or Miami,
it would be rocking for them, but it's not as
big of an advantage. I don't know that either of
those environments are as loud, especially not Miami as the
other two, as Baltimore as Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And it's it's not a slight to anyone their fan bases.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean, if.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You've if you've been at both, you've heard them both.
There's a big time difference. I selfishly would love to
see Miami get it, only to see what that place
would be like during a home playoff game in the
divisional round. Like I would love to see that place rocking,
you know, especially some Jimmy Buffett, God Rest his soul,
and I know at least not here, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Got Fiends to the left, Fiends to the right. You
imagine people who jamming out to that.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Now, not the most intimidating song if you're an opposing team,
it's nothing like being for example, in Pittsburgh, we're here
sticks Renegade go on before the fourth quarter, and you
just hear that boom, boom boom, And then he said,
the terrible towels are whipping around. Everyone's whipping them around.
(04:37):
Well here it comes, here, it comes. Everyone just goes wild.
And you're like, okay, all right, it's the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
The problem is you're not going to hear that this
year because Pittsburgh's not making the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
If they do the probably they're probably not having a
home game.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But there will be a team from Pennsylvania that gets in,
and they would be a place that you would say
would want to have home field advantage as well. That's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You got to get Hurts healthy, man, like they just
from that standpoint, I would say, because the reason why
I trust Kansas City, I'll take my chances Mahomes and
that defense on the road in a playoff game. Miami
is that the most intimidating place to play?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Though? Like is that? I mean, do we think Miami
the most intimidating?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But my point is my point, no, My point is
who the hell is going to be worried about having
to go to Miami to win a playoff game? Late, Like,
if you're Patrick Mahomes, if you're any of these teams.
That's why I look at my answer from the beginning
was Miami in Detroit. I think Detroit needs it because
something's going on in Detroit. They don't look the same.
(05:47):
That team looks like they could use whatever advantages they
could get. I wonder that offense having to travel. Like,
to me, it just feels like those two teams get
them as many home games as you can. And from
the injury standpoint, it feels like Philadelphia could use some
extra rest.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Ah, for sure, Jacksonville could. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know kind of there's a lot
of ties there between Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And when you're talking about the health. Now you're talking
about home field advantage in terms of the elements, Casey elements,
Philly elements, Baltimore elements. You know you're indoors in Detroit,
so you ain't got to worry about that. But if
you're going.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Even warm weather down in like Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Here, you go like there's no elements. Is there a
chance for rain? Though? That's how year? Not really, didn't
you guys get dumped on recently?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Have there been flooding. Tampa got rain.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
There was a flooding for like some rainfall the other week,
like two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So you get to see I feel like the conference
champ because we everything's so canned when it comes to
the super Bowl. You don't have any real elements. You
don't have it's usually a dome, it's usually someplace like that.
It's nice weather. I feel like the conference championship games
Vegas this year they have to be in inclement weather, snow, sleet,
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you know, all the stuff you need us hate that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Though, because then they're like, well, it's not the best
team and they just happen to win in adverse conditions.
Like you hear people complain about that all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I mean, Buffalo did say the part did say that
if snow wasn't a factor last year, that they would
that game would have gone different.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
There was a weird thing was they were at home, right,
It's like, no, it should have gone your way.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That that was exactly what you wanted to have, right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We used to have that practice in that and uh
in college, Joe would make us practice outside during the week.
There was no such thing as using the indoor facility.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now, what if you argued with him to practice inside, Hey,
are you gonna play in the saturday?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
No, let's go, come on, let's call and we practice
outside cold as all freezing. But there was some method
to the madness because he's right you get out there,
like your lungs react differently. Oh yeah, if you have
not been breathing that air, I'm telling you, it'll hit
(08:19):
you and you'd be like you.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You see dudes come up from down south. You see
guys come up from down south. They've never experienced it before. Man,
it's like oh and they get hit hard for Oh,
it hits different. I'm telling you, by the way, they're
excited about going outside in that weather because like, oh man,
we never we never.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Get many opportunities to practice in this. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You're like, Okay, I guess, I guess this is what
we're practicing today.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I'm growing up. You see it on the movies and
you see snow games, and I remember thinking to myself, like, man,
I love cold weather, like I'd love to live in
cold weather. And I remember my buddy and I were
in Chicago. This is probably like now we're walking through downtown.
I remember where we were in downtown walking and wind
cut through the buildings and hit us. It was like
(09:09):
twenty degrees and it wasn't snowing, but it was just
it was cold out the hawk it'd be hollering at
you screech at you too, literally took my breath away.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh yeah. I looked at him and said, what was
this When that hawk hit you, it goes straight through you,
like that's Chicago cold is to the bone, Like that's
that's Chicago cold will hit you in your bum it's
off the lake. And I remember we played dumb Boy.
You man, those son of a gun's had lukewarm to
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cool showers like it was. It was that was torture, man,
Is that intentional? And it had had the beating. I
told you I had to be intentional. When we got
out of that game, it was like the last game
of the year. It's like the game's over. We lost.
Like I was looking for to this hot shower so
(10:01):
I could get myself warm, get comfortable on this plane
ride home. We're losers, and the and the showers were lukewarm,
and you couldn't you were already in it. So you're
like waiting and waiting and wait, because sometimes you know,
you just got to let it run for about five, ten,
fifteen minutes, like you ain't got that much time that
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thing man, that that cold there, and then to get
out of a cold shower and then have to go
out to get like family members are there. You're like, yeah, yeah,
I'll talk to you, but we only see you when
you come play in Chicago. Like I know what I
was trying to get to the end of the bus.
(10:42):
It changed my opinion on living in cold weather.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I had so much more respect for people there that
have to live in that craft after just feeling one
gust of wind come through the buildings.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Chicago air is whoo, that's on a whole nother level. Man. Yeah,
it'll get you, it'll get you. But like I said,
the home field advantage asked of it all, man, I
think the weather component definitely plays a major factor in it,
but also having your fans, like the fan base is
like you know, like you mentioned, it's so loud, it's
so difficult to play in certain places, and Casey is
(11:14):
one of them, the Raven Stadium. It's it's pretty loud,
and they're they're pretty you know, pretty supportive Philly, They're
pretty supportive. So I mean, when you're looking at places
that will want to get that home field advantage, outside
of just the aspects of giving that that rest and
getting that bye week for injuries, it would be probably
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to me one of those three. I just don't think
Philly's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think they're going to get the one seed. You
think so I do. I think they're losing this weekend.
I think they'll bounce back, and I think that puts
everything up in the air.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Some people think Marcus smarted it would be better certain
for them.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh wow, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
David Carr said that. I was like, wait, what I mean?
I know Hurts it healthy, but I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, it didn't seem like they got to run the
ball a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I think that they That was his point, and he
was basically saying like, and he's not part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So that's what's not making them as effective.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And that's you know, if you think about it, they
had three running backs that they used last year and
a lot of their success came from them wearing people
down with their running game. You know, they're seeming to
put more responsibility on Jalen Hurts to win it with
his arm, and I think that that's that's a miss
(12:34):
miscalculation on what the formula that they have to win.
You know, what it's based off of. You got one
of the most premierre offensive line and lions, and so
you know, Swift can run the ball. I mean Wade
carried the ball what six times the last game. I
mean he didn't carry the ball very often. They just
got to do more to establish what they're doing on
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the ground. And I think that they'll be fine, But
if they don't, then you know, then it's up. It's
up in the air. But like this game against Dallas,
like you don't want to keep putting. You know, we
used to say the best you know this week, the
best the best defenses is our offense, Like keep that
keep that dude that's on the other side, that's our quarterback.
Keep him off the field. The longer we have the ball,
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the safer we are. The more he gets the ball,
the more danger we're in. Like we can stop him
a few times, but if y'all keep going three and
out throwing the ball and stopping the clock, it could
get you know, it could get to to be in
a long game. It could turn into a super long
game for us, and sometimes that's what happens. So they
got it. They got to start really really applying themselves
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in the running game a little bit more in my estimation.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Up But if they were gonna like because David Carr is,
you know, talking about to Brady's point, Oh well, you
just bench Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Let him get healthy out of you bench him.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I mean you sit him. It's a difference, like you
be careful how you say things. Okay, he's not saying
benching him for poor play, Say he's not healthy. Can
I sit him down, let him get healthy and then
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can I redo it?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It does matter though I know I'm going to redo it.
I want to get it right. Listen, you know how
I operate here. I want to get that I do.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I do all right?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Three?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Just stay there?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Twos here he goes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he says they should sit as asked out for
obviously poor play and injury concerns. And so if that's
the case, find the game where you feel confident that
the Eagles are are in a better spot all things considered.
With Marcus mariot Is the quarterback. Could you imagine they
just said they just announced this weekend, Hey we're at Dallas.
(14:43):
Just want to play this safe here. I want to
have Jailen Hurts ready for the rest of the year.
They sit him down, there's no there's no opportunity right now,
you're fighting for the one seed. Maybe if you get
to the final game of the season and you're at
the Giants, I mean getting.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
To Dallas, that's for certain. We arrest our starter on this. Well,
we will give him a week like now, We're not
worried too much about that. I think Dallas is gonna
smash him. They I mean they possibly could. They're playing
really good football right now, very balanced. They're playing some
good ball. Nobody is stopping Mico on defense. So let
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me ask you us.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
This because it is interesting.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It doesn't I forget how many times Dak and Jalen
had faced off, But wasn't it like it had been
some years before they those two actually started versus one another.
Is that the matchup I was thinking about where like
one was kind of outer as the end of the season,
so they never both started both games versus each other.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I don't know there's a divisional matchup there's one that
was like that. I thought it might have been Dallas.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And Philip hasn't been starting very long, right two years?
Is it? Two years? Yea?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And then the year that he got I mean, because
Dak had that injury that knocked him out.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He didn't play. That hurts his rookie year. His not
going to get the guests.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And I'll go back through and look, but I think
the overall point I was trying to make was, you know,
you play them a second time.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know you're both going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, like we can we can go ahead and agree
Dallas and Philly are both playoff teams, all right, How
meaningful is this game outside of getting the number one
overall seed.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Outside of that, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Because because really like you're probably going to see each
other again, or maybe have to see each other again.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Like I don't know where there might be something to
the idea of.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like letting yourself lose this one. So when you're letting
yourself lose, but like not being okay or just making
sure making sure.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Hurts is one hundred percent for when they play when
it matters most.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You know, I think they've only if I've got this
right here.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
According to pro this is a portion of Pro Football
Reference called stadhead. I think they've only played two games
against each other. That's interesting, And DA's played really well
in those games, by the ways.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And both those games, yeah, he's played really well against
Pilly In general, I believe in his career. But if
you look at the next two weeks, to go to
Dallas to Seattle, that's their two toughest games, and then
you finished Giants Arizona and then at the Giants again.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I will rest them against the Giants and Arizona.
Just rest them all three of those games, but win
this one.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You try out to get through this.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
So basically, if that gets them to buy, you're telling
them you don't take a month off, Yes, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, get healthy after this that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Get this one that didn't work well for Lebar Jackson
to the Ravens back in twenty nineteen when they're like, yeah,
we're arrest.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Them and the awesome the first week just blowed towards them.
He didn't have a very good day. No, all right,
So it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
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Coming up about twenty minutes from now from the ti
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from now here on Fox Sports Radio. But apparently there
is a proposal that is out there, and a proposal
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that has been sent to schools in the NCAA from
the president, Charlie Baker. I mean, somebody who's trying to
find an answer to the chaos that is nil and
just everybody trying to figure out how to adjust and
manage all this. But apparently Charlie Baker's got a solution.
He's got a real answer here, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So you go.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Ahead and you take it away, because you're much better
at this stuff than I am.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, the president of the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
By the way, I'm not the president of the United States,
which you left a little vague there, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I did listen.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
If you listen back, I clearly stated of the NCAA,
right clear and obvious.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Is there any way Coope we can go back and
just go listen to that real quick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It was mentioned NCAA in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, if you go back anyway.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
The point is Charlie Baker, the p of the NCAA,
who might mind you he's not. He's actually not even
like demanding this or trying to say this is going
to be the future. He's proposed this, and he is
looking for feedback and I think a reaction which you
know clearly he's asking for help. Charlie Baker came from
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the political realm and was how is the NCAA to
be their president?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I think in part because there was a thought if
there's going to be a solution to.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
College sports at this current moment, it's going to take
lawmakers to help out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's going to take the federal government.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Coordination with with Congress to be able to make an
enact some sort of rules, potentially even federal law that's
going to help create a level playing field not only
for NIL, but how they're going to handle Title nine
as it's impacted in all of this. But what the
what the proposal was, as it provides an opportunity to
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pay football players specifically via a trust as well as NIL,
and what would be created in a new subdivision, and
you know, for governance purposes that would be handled maybe
even outside of the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's a little vague, but.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Maybe you know they would want power over it within
the NCAA, but with a different group, you know, handling
the governance over that, and so it's a very basic
streamline structure. But the athletes would be compensated thirty thousand
per year and this would be However, this would be
subject to Title nine and that means half the allocada
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would have to go to towards women's sports. So basically,
players would be able to after four years of eligibility,
which it's kind of tough nowadays because you've got some
guys who've got six seven years of eligibility, but that
should start to go away. I think I'm not really
sure anymore because it seems like some of these guys
have been in college forever. I mean literally, they're like
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the Van Wilder of college and they're able to capitalize
on this. But you'd think one hundred and twenty thousand
dollars worth of eligibility at some point throughout their career
would come from this, and it would be in the
form of a trust, which would obviously give the NCAA
control and as well as other nil opportunities. So that's
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kind of the framework of what he's looking at doing.
It's a proposal. I'm not sure it's the best format.
I think Title nine makes everything really really complicated for
this reason, when anything involves money, there's economics that's at play.
And this isn't a controversial statement. This is just the
(22:38):
reality of the situation. Football is the only sport in
college sports that by and large, in every.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Single school generates some sort of income.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
So in lieu of that, the income and revenue generates
helps really fund the rest of the athletic department. And
that's just the god's honest truth of how this all works.
So if you strip away football from an athletic department,
schools are going to have a really really hard time
supporting the athletic programs that they have and supporting the
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scholarships for those athletes that they have. Though essentially in
some ways maybe even have to look at making some
of those sports club sports where they would be supported
by private donors, right, alumni, et cetera. So there's a
bunch of different ways you could try to create a
model to make this work. What becomes difficult is is
if you're very similar to right now, which obviously NCAA
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you know, mixed entitleed n I, mixed school subject.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To those that law and that those requirements.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
This looks like it would be subject to that too,
And I think that's the hard part is, you know,
you still would be allocating, you know, money to both
men's and women's sports, and yet in this model that
we're seeing, you know clearly it's it's only one sport
in particular that's generating all of the revenue. So I'm
not trying to make a case for equity or fairness
or anything else, but it makes it hard to make
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the numbers work if you've got to spread out one
sports revenue over every single other one amongst any other plan.
And so the plan probably works best if football is
just separated as a whole away from college athletics or
college sports, because that's kind of where we're going with
this whole thing. And there's plenty of other stuff out
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there on the horizon. The National Labor Board, there's some
decisions there where student athletes may be considered employees and
that could change how all this is viewed and talked about.
There's a there's different lawsuits.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Out there where there's a group from Morgan, a.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Number of student athletes who feel like title line has
already been abused and there's a lawsuit out there for that,
so many many things to figure out.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is just a one proposal from Charlie Baker, the
new president.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's going to end up coming in house. The whole
ni L situation, the business of nil, especially in football,
It's going to end up in house at the universe.
Wasn't there something out there I think where it's it
that schools will potentially pretty soon have the right the
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ability to purchase the rights the NIL rights of the player.
Did you see that anywhere? I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Didn't see that anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
But to your earlier point, there is supposed to be
a vote in January where schools may be more empowered
to take ownership or take in many of the collectives
that currently exist.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
As I heard that in the conversation, there's.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Different people who believe that the universities would be better
suited since a lot of the collectives are created by
alumni and donors. Anyway, to be able to have control
over that oversight over that since the NCAA already has
compliance and oversight over universities as it is, so it
may make for a better system if the universities actually
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have more control, not less. Since we're not really getting
anything from the federal government anytime soon in regards to
laws surrounding the name images like this.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, it's one of those things where when when you're
looking at how this is all evolving, the collectives are
are in competition because the collectives, if you really think
about it, they're they're the agency. They're signing these players
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two deals, and they're the basically acting as the agent
too to these athletes. But now athletes are.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Signed, I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I wouldn't go that far, you know, one that that
wouldn't be like permissible allowed in that in that sense,
the best way to find is they're creating opportunities for
student athletes.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
They're signing a contract. Q.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well, it depends.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Maybe that's different the contracts you're discussing, But most of
these athletes have agencies or a university or collective might
outsource to an agency to then go find them opportunity.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
But these athletes are signing to agencies as well, like
real agencies like.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Sure and that's and that's that's but that's a separate
conversation like I wouldn't describe collectives as agents in any
shape or form.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
They're signing contracts and they.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Have signing construct You could do though with any marketer
or advertiser, right like let's say you I signed one
with Discover recently or I signed with Wendy's recently.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
They're not an agent, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
They're providing the opportunity for an activation. And that's really
the more accurate way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is it's collective, but it's not activation. It's and and
you're right, like collect nil represents like one off appearances
for the players, but even collectives, but the collectives are
signing athletes to contracts where they get paid a monthly
amount of money, but they have to do X amount
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of appearances, so that may not be for the same
They're not an agent.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It's it's more of like they're like an employer in essence,
but they're really a subcontractor of that employer. It's just
I'm just saying I wouldn't call them agents. There's really no.
They're not representing them for necessarily other stuff. Maybe it's
a for profit venture, but again they should be taking
a fee off of that athlete, you know what I'm saying, right,
But there is a fee that goes into the collective
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that to be maybe the one that you work with
or you're talking to. There is none that I've been
aware of that are doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, there is a fee that goes back into the
collective based off of them being able to pay for
the employees that they have. But I mean, the way
I interpret it, and I've been pretty deep in what's
going on with NIL, is they pay these guys or
they they give them a contract and the contract is
(28:52):
basically for you know, the school year. Now they're non
exclusive contracts. They can do other deals. They can even
have representation, but they they sign these right, correct. But
they they are which I say agency more so than
an agent in terms of they can bring they bring
(29:14):
X amount of dollars. There's like a there's a certain
amount that they pay the players.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Don't don't say they because then.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You're you're the collective the collect correct.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But for collective like speak specifically to Penn State, because
what you're saying is then casting this like well.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm saying, I'm just saying a collective is in general,
that's how they're able to offer kids what they're offering
them to come into the schools, is that the collective
is able to pay what it is that they're looking
to pay. That's how they're able to say, Okay, a
kid is going to cost X amount of dollars coming
(29:52):
out of high school or coming from the portal. That's
how they're able to pay it is through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The able to pay it through private donations.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But it goes through the collective right to the collective,
and the collective signs these these contracts with the kid,
and the kid has to do X amount of they
have commitments that they have to do. So that's activisions.
So that is acting as an essence, not because they're not.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Going out and and and and representing them in the
marketplace necessarily. So again, maybe in a for profit venture
which you might be privy to one and with one
at Penn State. And that's why I'm saying, speak specifically
to the ones you're involved.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
To understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No, I understand, because you got to be careful about
lumping in all these others because they don't operate that way,
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's not a lot
that they're operating exactly how you're putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, there's so many grey areas to it. Sure, I'm
not I'm not trying to define it for everyone, because
everyone is trying to define it to begin with anyway.
But I think the reality of it is is that
the way that you are able to pay the players
and and generally the reason why I think it's getting
crucial and critical for a school to be able to
(31:00):
bring it in house is that now agents of agencies
are now acting independently of collective or the school, and
and now you have to report what it is that's
taking place. You have to report it to the school,
but you don't necessarily have to use a collective, which
means that these kids are they have legal representation on
(31:23):
what it is that they're doing to make money through
an IL, right, and that's.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
A complex And with Notre Dames and ows work, there's
no agent that the collective works with. So there's maybe
some conversations, but none of that is brought forth by
an agent or represented by an agent.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But I bet you there are players at Notre Dame
that have outside agency.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
That get that do get actually them go out and
get other marketing deals and so forth, which is what,
in essence, how it should be structured.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, it's two pro on conversy. Listen, I am the
whole thing. I just want it to be over with. Well,
it's not going it's not going anywhere. It's going to
be a lot of gray area and a lot of
things that have to be discussed and like hashed out
to try to find like a common ground of what
it is because it's a very very undefined area.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
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Speaker 5 (33:19):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly all right?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Justin Cooper, who's in for lead to lab who's got
what this week?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well we've got LeVar with the good. Yeah right, Well,
I'll say this. I'm excited for for Bowl season. There's
been a lot of discussions back and forth about it. Yeah,
we are the football games. So I'm excited. And while
(33:56):
there have been debates about the college playoff and who's
to be in or who shouldn't be in, and why
they should be in, why they shouldn't be in, I
think that these are going to be some really good
games to watch. I think Michigan and Alabama and then
Washington and Texas. I think these are going to be
some really really competitive games to watch, and ultimately, I
(34:19):
think that's really it's it's really good. Through all of
the drama and all of the confusion of it all,
I think when you really settle into it, it's really
cool to to be able to watch teams compete to
try to win the national title and those who are
going to play any other bowl games as well. So
I think this should be a pretty fun, interesting Bowl season.
So that's my good for the week. But I am
(34:40):
looking forward to Bowl season. The older I get, the more.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I appreciate it. Just like the midweek Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What's the football the Boca right right? Yeah, all right,
there you go. Look look there, you try to up
in there like double dutch. You see how you Yeah,
I'm gonna let you talk now, no real right to
let you talk just yet. Jonas got good. Yeah that's
(35:06):
what you got.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Just jumps in on everyone's ya.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
No, no good, Jonah. I was just joking with you.
I was just doing what you were doing. So go ahead,
all right, we got we got bad Brady be Brady
with the band.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh man, I'm gonna stick with the outrage of Florida
State not getting in some bad takes he was at
the top of the list and the sensitive yesterday because
here's my argument, and I've said this all along. If
you're disappointed by the College Football Playoff Committee this year,
that's because it impacted your team. Right, you're probably a
Florida State fan, if you're a media member, maybe you
(35:41):
hate Bama.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You're outraged by it. This has always been the case
in college football.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
We've had teams that actually declare they won a national
championship in the past, and they have shares of national
championships right based on how he did it. But Danny
in particular took issue with the fact that in nineteen
ninety three, his Florida State team that lost the Notre Dame.
Mind you had one loss that season, got picked to
go play in Nebraska, Oh Miami. Right, they to beat
(36:07):
Nebraska in Miami, and they did, and so in nineteen
ninety three they won a national championship. But the problem is,
not only did they go in and have a chance
to play in Nebraska over a Notre Dame who had
beat them and only had one loss, but also a
West Virginia team was undefeated. And yet his whole point
was well, multiple people declared the national championship. Well, they
declared national championship this year, Florida State, because that's always
(36:29):
been part of the history of college football. And my
general point is this, when you had four teams as
far as making it into the playoff, but you had
five Power five conferences, there was always going to be
someone left out every single year, even the first year
where the Big twelve should have had representation, they get
left out because they have two teams that tied for
(36:50):
the conference championship and instead it's Ohio State who goes
on to win it all.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So Dan he's gotten.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Sensitive, he got a little upset about it, and like
he does instead of being he's a nice guy in person,
but then he acts like a tough guy to troll
on Twitter. He wanted to try to come back out
and it's the reality is I feel bad like he
feels sensitive about it, impacting him personally, but the truth
of the matter is it's history.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He doesn't need to be all a sensitive about it.
Just a bad take. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for Florida State,
Sorry for Jordan Travis. Unfortunately they're the victim this year.
Happens every year.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I'm sorry for you. Jonas Why is that not for
ugly Jonas? Jonas are the ugly? Not for ugly Jonas.
Oh jeez, here's my ugly for the week. You ugly.
It gets worse.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Tell us the price of Christmas? What is the price
of Christmas?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Did you go get it?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I got one? And it's how much was it? A
six to seven footer is like almost ninety dollars? Ninety
dollars at all because we live.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You are a piece of work, Jonas. What are you
talking about? Ninety dollars? Yeah, you're a piece of work.
Yeah, what you know about it? Bar a lot? Yeah,
because I hear it every show now. It's just never
getting changed. It's never going to change.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
By the way, I would love it if we found
out that the reason why the intros haven't changed because
you haven't green Lyddy, No, because Lee hasn't sent him
in because he just forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
That might be what it is. It might be what
it is. Box.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's like, oh, you forgot the hit, so no lead
the first time, right, yeah, no, lead to laugh clearing
his head right now?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Did that bother you? No, not at all. It's a
new one though. I mean, well, you tell somebody at
two pm dur in the course of the day that
they need to clear their head for the whole entire
day at night. I mean you know, no, it didn't
bother me at all. I told you just clear his head,
(00:57):
soft lotion hand boy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
No yeah, no more gnts, no more. Yeah, it's gone.
Lots of those privileges. Well, it is two pros and
a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Slavar Arrington,
Brady Quinn Jonas knocks with you as always.
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one seeds are the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles. Now,
obviously there's a handful of games left to be played.
But when Mike McDaniel was asked about that, the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins, he said, quote, call me
when it's a thirteen game season, that's singing game. So
(02:03):
what So that's Mike McDaniel's take on the whole thing.
So I would like to throw this question at you guys,
since we're only handing out one of these as it stands,
until they expand to eight teams in the playoffs, Since
you're only handing out one seed on either side that's
going to get a buye and so we've got one
bye week to hand out. Which team in each conference?
(02:25):
Would you say needs the bye week and needs home
field advantage more so than anybody else. Casey, you think
it's Case, I think they're one of the teams that
needed the least because they've done it so many times.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think they need the home field advantage more so
this year than ever. I think it's Detroit and Miami
who needs it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I think there's a couple of ways you can look
at it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I think to Lvar's point, I would say Case sealing
because it provides them such an advantage. That place is
so loud, We know how good they are at home,
and so because of the history of them just straight
making it to an AFC championship game every single year,
one less game to play two games at home in
that environment, and you've got a birth into a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We won them both.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So if you stacked up, for example, the AFC teams.
As far as who's in the running for the number
one seed KSE, Miami, Baltimore like Case and Baltimore, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Know if needs the word. Maybe Once should want to
have it more because it creates such an advantage.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Because I just I think if it's Jacksonville or Miami,
it would be rocking for them, but it's not as
big of an advantage. I don't know that either of
those environments are as loud, especially not Miami as the
other two, as Baltimore as Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And it's it's not a slight to anyone their fan bases.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean, if.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You've if you've been at both, you've heard them both.
There's a big time difference. I selfishly would love to
see Miami get it, only to see what that place
would be like during a home playoff game in the
divisional round. Like I would love to see that place rocking,
you know, especially some Jimmy Buffett, God Rest his soul,
and I know at least not here, but you.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Got Fiends to the left, Fiends to the right. You
imagine people who jamming out to that.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Now, not the most intimidating song if you're an opposing team,
it's nothing like being for example, in Pittsburgh, we're here
sticks Renegade go on before the fourth quarter, and you
just hear that boom, boom boom, And then he said,
the terrible towels are whipping around. Everyone's whipping them around.
(04:37):
Well here it comes, here, it comes. Everyone just goes wild.
And you're like, okay, all right, it's the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
The problem is you're not going to hear that this
year because Pittsburgh's not making the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
If they do the probably they're probably not having a
home game.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But there will be a team from Pennsylvania that gets in,
and they would be a place that you would say
would want to have home field advantage as well. That's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You got to get Hurts healthy, man, like they just
from that standpoint, I would say, because the reason why
I trust Kansas City, I'll take my chances Mahomes and
that defense on the road in a playoff game. Miami
is that the most intimidating place to play?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Though? Like is that? I mean, do we think Miami
the most intimidating?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But my point is my point, no, My point is
who the hell is going to be worried about having
to go to Miami to win a playoff game? Late, Like,
if you're Patrick Mahomes, if you're any of these teams.
That's why I look at my answer from the beginning
was Miami in Detroit. I think Detroit needs it because
something's going on in Detroit. They don't look the same.
(05:47):
That team looks like they could use whatever advantages they
could get. I wonder that offense having to travel. Like,
to me, it just feels like those two teams get
them as many home games as you can. And from
the injury standpoint, it feels like Philadelphia could use some
extra rest.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Ah, for sure, Jacksonville could. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know kind of there's a lot
of ties there between Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And when you're talking about the health. Now you're talking
about home field advantage in terms of the elements, Casey elements,
Philly elements, Baltimore elements. You know you're indoors in Detroit,
so you ain't got to worry about that. But if
you're going.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Even warm weather down in like Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Here, you go like there's no elements. Is there a
chance for rain? Though? That's how year? Not really, didn't
you guys get dumped on recently?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Have there been flooding. Tampa got rain.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
There was a flooding for like some rainfall the other week,
like two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So you get to see I feel like the conference
champ because we everything's so canned when it comes to
the super Bowl. You don't have any real elements. You
don't have it's usually a dome, it's usually someplace like that.
It's nice weather. I feel like the conference championship games
Vegas this year they have to be in inclement weather, snow, sleet,
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you know, all the stuff you need us hate that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Though, because then they're like, well, it's not the best
team and they just happen to win in adverse conditions.
Like you hear people complain about that all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I mean, Buffalo did say the part did say that
if snow wasn't a factor last year, that they would
that game would have gone different.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
There was a weird thing was they were at home, right,
It's like, no, it should have gone your way.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That that was exactly what you wanted to have, right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
We used to have that practice in that and uh
in college, Joe would make us practice outside during the week.
There was no such thing as using the indoor facility.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now, what if you argued with him to practice inside, Hey,
are you gonna play in the saturday?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
No, let's go, come on, let's call and we practice
outside cold as all freezing. But there was some method
to the madness because he's right you get out there,
like your lungs react differently. Oh yeah, if you have
not been breathing that air, I'm telling you, it'll hit
(08:19):
you and you'd be like you.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You see dudes come up from down south. You see
guys come up from down south. They've never experienced it before. Man,
it's like oh and they get hit hard for Oh,
it hits different. I'm telling you, by the way, they're
excited about going outside in that weather because like, oh man,
we never we never.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Get many opportunities to practice in this. Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You're like, Okay, I guess, I guess this is what
we're practicing today.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I'm growing up. You see it on the movies and
you see snow games, and I remember thinking to myself, like, man,
I love cold weather, like I'd love to live in
cold weather. And I remember my buddy and I were
in Chicago. This is probably like now we're walking through downtown.
I remember where we were in downtown walking and wind
cut through the buildings and hit us. It was like
(09:09):
twenty degrees and it wasn't snowing, but it was just
it was cold out the hawk it'd be hollering at
you screech at you too, literally took my breath away.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh yeah. I looked at him and said, what was
this When that hawk hit you, it goes straight through you,
like that's Chicago cold is to the bone, Like that's
that's Chicago cold will hit you in your bum it's
off the lake. And I remember we played dumb Boy.
You man, those son of a gun's had lukewarm to
(09:41):
cool showers like it was. It was that was torture, man,
Is that intentional? And it had had the beating. I
told you I had to be intentional. When we got
out of that game, it was like the last game
of the year. It's like the game's over. We lost.
Like I was looking for to this hot shower so
(10:01):
I could get myself warm, get comfortable on this plane
ride home. We're losers, and the and the showers were lukewarm,
and you couldn't you were already in it. So you're
like waiting and waiting and wait, because sometimes you know,
you just got to let it run for about five, ten,
fifteen minutes, like you ain't got that much time that
(10:22):
thing man, that that cold there, and then to get
out of a cold shower and then have to go
out to get like family members are there. You're like, yeah, yeah,
I'll talk to you, but we only see you when
you come play in Chicago. Like I know what I
was trying to get to the end of the bus.
(10:42):
It changed my opinion on living in cold weather.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I had so much more respect for people there that
have to live in that craft after just feeling one
gust of wind come through the buildings.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Chicago air is whoo, that's on a whole nother level. Man. Yeah,
it'll get you, it'll get you. But like I said,
the home field advantage asked of it all, man, I
think the weather component definitely plays a major factor in it,
but also having your fans, like the fan base is
like you know, like you mentioned, it's so loud, it's
so difficult to play in certain places, and Casey is
(11:14):
one of them, the Raven Stadium. It's it's pretty loud,
and they're they're pretty you know, pretty supportive Philly, They're
pretty supportive. So I mean, when you're looking at places
that will want to get that home field advantage, outside
of just the aspects of giving that that rest and
getting that bye week for injuries, it would be probably
(11:34):
to me one of those three. I just don't think
Philly's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think they're going to get the one seed. You
think so I do. I think they're losing this weekend.
I think they'll bounce back, and I think that puts
everything up in the air.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Some people think Marcus smarted it would be better certain
for them.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh wow, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
David Carr said that. I was like, wait, what I mean?
I know Hurts it healthy, but I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, it didn't seem like they got to run the
ball a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I think that they That was his point, and he
was basically saying like, and he's not part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So that's what's not making them as effective.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And that's you know, if you think about it, they
had three running backs that they used last year and
a lot of their success came from them wearing people
down with their running game. You know, they're seeming to
put more responsibility on Jalen Hurts to win it with
his arm, and I think that that's that's a miss
(12:34):
miscalculation on what the formula that they have to win.
You know, what it's based off of. You got one
of the most premierre offensive line and lions, and so
you know, Swift can run the ball. I mean Wade
carried the ball what six times the last game. I
mean he didn't carry the ball very often. They just
got to do more to establish what they're doing on
(12:57):
the ground. And I think that they'll be fine, But
if they don't, then you know, then it's up. It's
up in the air. But like this game against Dallas,
like you don't want to keep putting. You know, we
used to say the best you know this week, the
best the best defenses is our offense, Like keep that
keep that dude that's on the other side, that's our quarterback.
Keep him off the field. The longer we have the ball,
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the safer we are. The more he gets the ball,
the more danger we're in. Like we can stop him
a few times, but if y'all keep going three and
out throwing the ball and stopping the clock, it could
get you know, it could get to to be in
a long game. It could turn into a super long
game for us, and sometimes that's what happens. So they
got it. They got to start really really applying themselves
(13:43):
in the running game a little bit more in my estimation.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Up But if they were gonna like because David Carr is,
you know, talking about to Brady's point, Oh well, you
just bench Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Let him get healthy out of you bench him.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I mean you sit him. It's a difference, like you
be careful how you say things. Okay, he's not saying
benching him for poor play, Say he's not healthy. Can
I sit him down, let him get healthy and then
bring him back.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can I redo it?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It does matter though I know I'm going to redo it.
I want to get it right. Listen, you know how
I operate here. I want to get that I do.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I do all right?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Three?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Just stay there?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Twos here he goes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So he says they should sit as asked out for
obviously poor play and injury concerns. And so if that's
the case, find the game where you feel confident that
the Eagles are are in a better spot all things considered.
With Marcus mariot Is the quarterback. Could you imagine they
just said they just announced this weekend, Hey we're at Dallas.
(14:43):
Just want to play this safe here. I want to
have Jailen Hurts ready for the rest of the year.
They sit him down, there's no there's no opportunity right now,
you're fighting for the one seed. Maybe if you get
to the final game of the season and you're at
the Giants, I mean getting.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
To Dallas, that's for certain. We arrest our starter on this. Well,
we will give him a week like now, We're not
worried too much about that. I think Dallas is gonna
smash him. They I mean they possibly could. They're playing
really good football right now, very balanced. They're playing some
good ball. Nobody is stopping Mico on defense. So let
(15:18):
me ask you us.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
This because it is interesting.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It doesn't I forget how many times Dak and Jalen
had faced off, But wasn't it like it had been
some years before they those two actually started versus one another.
Is that the matchup I was thinking about where like
one was kind of outer as the end of the season,
so they never both started both games versus each other.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I don't know there's a divisional matchup there's one that
was like that. I thought it might have been Dallas.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And Philip hasn't been starting very long, right two years?
Is it? Two years? Yea?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And then the year that he got I mean, because
Dak had that injury that knocked him out.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He didn't play. That hurts his rookie year. His not
going to get the guests.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And I'll go back through and look, but I think
the overall point I was trying to make was, you know,
you play them a second time.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You know you're both going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, like we can we can go ahead and agree
Dallas and Philly are both playoff teams, all right, How
meaningful is this game outside of getting the number one
overall seed.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Outside of that, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Because because really like you're probably going to see each
other again, or maybe have to see each other again.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Like I don't know where there might be something to
the idea of.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like letting yourself lose this one. So when you're letting
yourself lose, but like not being okay or just making
sure making sure.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Hurts is one hundred percent for when they play when
it matters most.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You know, I think they've only if I've got this
right here.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
According to pro this is a portion of Pro Football
Reference called stadhead. I think they've only played two games
against each other. That's interesting, And DA's played really well
in those games, by the ways.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And both those games, yeah, he's played really well against
Pilly In general, I believe in his career. But if
you look at the next two weeks, to go to
Dallas to Seattle, that's their two toughest games, and then
you finished Giants Arizona and then at the Giants again.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
So I will rest them against the Giants and Arizona.
Just rest them all three of those games, but win
this one.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You try out to get through this.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
So basically, if that gets them to buy, you're telling
them you don't take a month off, Yes, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yes, get healthy after this that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Get this one that didn't work well for Lebar Jackson
to the Ravens back in twenty nineteen when they're like, yeah,
we're arrest.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Them and the awesome the first week just blowed towards them.
He didn't have a very good day. No, all right,
So it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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from now here on Fox Sports Radio. But apparently there
is a proposal that is out there, and a proposal
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that has been sent to schools in the NCAA from
the president, Charlie Baker. I mean, somebody who's trying to
find an answer to the chaos that is nil and
just everybody trying to figure out how to adjust and
manage all this. But apparently Charlie Baker's got a solution.
He's got a real answer here, Brady Quinn.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So you go.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Ahead and you take it away, because you're much better
at this stuff than I am.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, the president of the NCAA.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
By the way, I'm not the president of the United States,
which you left a little vague there, Jonas.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I did listen.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
If you listen back, I clearly stated of the NCAA,
right clear and obvious.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Is there any way Coope we can go back and
just go listen to that real quick.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It was mentioned NCAA in the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, if you go back anyway.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
The point is Charlie Baker, the p of the NCAA,
who might mind you he's not. He's actually not even
like demanding this or trying to say this is going
to be the future. He's proposed this, and he is
looking for feedback and I think a reaction which you
know clearly he's asking for help. Charlie Baker came from
(20:19):
the political realm and was how is the NCAA to
be their president?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I think in part because there was a thought if
there's going to be a solution to.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
College sports at this current moment, it's going to take
lawmakers to help out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's going to take the federal government.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Coordination with with Congress to be able to make an
enact some sort of rules, potentially even federal law that's
going to help create a level playing field not only
for NIL, but how they're going to handle Title nine
as it's impacted in all of this. But what the
what the proposal was, as it provides an opportunity to
(20:57):
pay football players specifically via a trust as well as NIL,
and what would be created in a new subdivision, and
you know, for governance purposes that would be handled maybe
even outside of the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's a little vague, but.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Maybe you know they would want power over it within
the NCAA, but with a different group, you know, handling
the governance over that, and so it's a very basic
streamline structure. But the athletes would be compensated thirty thousand
per year and this would be However, this would be
subject to Title nine and that means half the allocada
(21:36):
would have to go to towards women's sports. So basically,
players would be able to after four years of eligibility,
which it's kind of tough nowadays because you've got some
guys who've got six seven years of eligibility, but that
should start to go away. I think I'm not really
sure anymore because it seems like some of these guys
have been in college forever. I mean literally, they're like
(21:56):
the Van Wilder of college and they're able to capitalize
on this. But you'd think one hundred and twenty thousand
dollars worth of eligibility at some point throughout their career
would come from this, and it would be in the
form of a trust, which would obviously give the NCAA
control and as well as other nil opportunities. So that's
(22:17):
kind of the framework of what he's looking at doing.
It's a proposal. I'm not sure it's the best format.
I think Title nine makes everything really really complicated for
this reason, when anything involves money, there's economics that's at play.
And this isn't a controversial statement. This is just the
(22:38):
reality of the situation. Football is the only sport in
college sports that by and large, in every.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Single school generates some sort of income.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
So in lieu of that, the income and revenue generates
helps really fund the rest of the athletic department. And
that's just the god's honest truth of how this all works.
So if you strip away football from an athletic department,
schools are going to have a really really hard time
supporting the athletic programs that they have and supporting the
(23:10):
scholarships for those athletes that they have. Though essentially in
some ways maybe even have to look at making some
of those sports club sports where they would be supported
by private donors, right, alumni, et cetera. So there's a
bunch of different ways you could try to create a
model to make this work. What becomes difficult is is
if you're very similar to right now, which obviously NCAA
(23:33):
you know, mixed entitleed n I, mixed school subject.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
To those that law and that those requirements.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
This looks like it would be subject to that too,
And I think that's the hard part is, you know,
you still would be allocating, you know, money to both
men's and women's sports, and yet in this model that
we're seeing, you know clearly it's it's only one sport
in particular that's generating all of the revenue. So I'm
not trying to make a case for equity or fairness
or anything else, but it makes it hard to make
(24:03):
the numbers work if you've got to spread out one
sports revenue over every single other one amongst any other plan.
And so the plan probably works best if football is
just separated as a whole away from college athletics or
college sports, because that's kind of where we're going with
this whole thing. And there's plenty of other stuff out
(24:24):
there on the horizon. The National Labor Board, there's some
decisions there where student athletes may be considered employees and
that could change how all this is viewed and talked about.
There's a there's different lawsuits.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Out there where there's a group from Morgan, a.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Number of student athletes who feel like title line has
already been abused and there's a lawsuit out there for that,
so many many things to figure out.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is just a one proposal from Charlie Baker, the
new president.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's going to end up coming in house. The whole
ni L situation, the business of nil, especially in football,
It's going to end up in house at the universe.
Wasn't there something out there I think where it's it
that schools will potentially pretty soon have the right the
(25:16):
ability to purchase the rights the NIL rights of the player.
Did you see that anywhere? I feel like I.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Didn't see that anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
But to your earlier point, there is supposed to be
a vote in January where schools may be more empowered
to take ownership or take in many of the collectives
that currently exist.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
As I heard that in the conversation, there's.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Different people who believe that the universities would be better
suited since a lot of the collectives are created by
alumni and donors. Anyway, to be able to have control
over that oversight over that since the NCAA already has
compliance and oversight over universities as it is, so it
may make for a better system if the universities actually
(25:58):
have more control, not less. Since we're not really getting
anything from the federal government anytime soon in regards to
laws surrounding the name images like this.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, it's one of those things where when when you're
looking at how this is all evolving, the collectives are
are in competition because the collectives, if you really think
about it, they're they're the agency. They're signing these players
(26:27):
two deals, and they're the basically acting as the agent
too to these athletes. But now athletes are.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Signed, I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I wouldn't go that far, you know, one that that
wouldn't be like permissible allowed in that in that sense,
the best way to find is they're creating opportunities for
student athletes.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
They're signing a contract. Q.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well, it depends.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Maybe that's different the contracts you're discussing, But most of
these athletes have agencies or a university or collective might
outsource to an agency to then go find them opportunity.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
But these athletes are signing to agencies as well, like
real agencies like.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Sure and that's and that's that's but that's a separate
conversation like I wouldn't describe collectives as agents in any
shape or form.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
They're signing contracts and they.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Have signing construct You could do though with any marketer
or advertiser, right like let's say you I signed one
with Discover recently or I signed with Wendy's recently.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
They're not an agent, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
They're providing the opportunity for an activation. And that's really
the more accurate way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is it's collective, but it's not activation. It's and and
you're right, like collect nil represents like one off appearances
for the players, but even collectives, but the collectives are
signing athletes to contracts where they get paid a monthly
amount of money, but they have to do X amount
(27:54):
of appearances, so that may not be for the same
They're not an agent.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It's it's more of like they're like an employer in essence,
but they're really a subcontractor of that employer. It's just
I'm just saying I wouldn't call them agents. There's really no.
They're not representing them for necessarily other stuff. Maybe it's
a for profit venture, but again they should be taking
a fee off of that athlete, you know what I'm saying, right,
But there is a fee that goes into the collective
(28:24):
that to be maybe the one that you work with
or you're talking to. There is none that I've been
aware of that are doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, there is a fee that goes back into the
collective based off of them being able to pay for
the employees that they have. But I mean, the way
I interpret it, and I've been pretty deep in what's
going on with NIL, is they pay these guys or
they they give them a contract and the contract is
(28:52):
basically for you know, the school year. Now they're non
exclusive contracts. They can do other deals. They can even
have representation, but they they sign these right, correct. But
they they are which I say agency more so than
an agent in terms of they can bring they bring
(29:14):
X amount of dollars. There's like a there's a certain
amount that they pay the players.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Don't don't say they because then.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You're you're the collective the collect correct.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But for collective like speak specifically to Penn State, because
what you're saying is then casting this like well.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm saying, I'm just saying a collective is in general,
that's how they're able to offer kids what they're offering
them to come into the schools, is that the collective
is able to pay what it is that they're looking
to pay. That's how they're able to say, Okay, a
kid is going to cost X amount of dollars coming
(29:52):
out of high school or coming from the portal. That's
how they're able to pay it is through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The able to pay it through private donations.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But it goes through the collective right to the collective,
and the collective signs these these contracts with the kid,
and the kid has to do X amount of they
have commitments that they have to do. So that's activisions.
So that is acting as an essence, not because they're not.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Going out and and and and representing them in the
marketplace necessarily. So again, maybe in a for profit venture
which you might be privy to one and with one
at Penn State. And that's why I'm saying, speak specifically
to the ones you're involved.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
To understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No, I understand, because you got to be careful about
lumping in all these others because they don't operate that way,
you know what I'm saying, Like, there's not a lot
that they're operating exactly how you're putting it out there.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, there's so many grey areas to it. Sure, I'm
not I'm not trying to define it for everyone, because
everyone is trying to define it to begin with anyway.
But I think the reality of it is is that
the way that you are able to pay the players
and and generally the reason why I think it's getting
crucial and critical for a school to be able to
(31:00):
bring it in house is that now agents of agencies
are now acting independently of collective or the school, and
and now you have to report what it is that's
taking place. You have to report it to the school,
but you don't necessarily have to use a collective, which
means that these kids are they have legal representation on
(31:23):
what it is that they're doing to make money through
an IL, right, and that's.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
A complex And with Notre Dames and ows work, there's
no agent that the collective works with. So there's maybe
some conversations, but none of that is brought forth by
an agent or represented by an agent.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But I bet you there are players at Notre Dame
that have outside agency.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
That get that do get actually them go out and
get other marketing deals and so forth, which is what,
in essence, how it should be structured.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, it's two pro on conversy. Listen, I am the
whole thing. I just want it to be over with. Well,
it's not going it's not going anywhere. It's going to
be a lot of gray area and a lot of
things that have to be discussed and like hashed out
to try to find like a common ground of what
it is because it's a very very undefined area.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly all right?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Justin Cooper, who's in for lead to lab who's got
what this week?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well we've got LeVar with the good. Yeah right, Well,
I'll say this. I'm excited for for Bowl season. There's
been a lot of discussions back and forth about it. Yeah,
we are the football games. So I'm excited. And while
(33:56):
there have been debates about the college playoff and who's
to be in or who shouldn't be in, and why
they should be in, why they shouldn't be in, I
think that these are going to be some really good
games to watch. I think Michigan and Alabama and then
Washington and Texas. I think these are going to be
some really really competitive games to watch, and ultimately, I
(34:19):
think that's really it's it's really good. Through all of
the drama and all of the confusion of it all,
I think when you really settle into it, it's really
cool to to be able to watch teams compete to
try to win the national title and those who are
going to play any other bowl games as well. So
I think this should be a pretty fun, interesting Bowl season.
So that's my good for the week. But I am
(34:40):
looking forward to Bowl season. The older I get, the more.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I appreciate it. Just like the midweek Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What's the football the Boca right right? Yeah, all right,
there you go. Look look there, you try to up
in there like double dutch. You see how you Yeah,
I'm gonna let you talk now, no real right to
let you talk just yet. Jonas got good. Yeah that's
(35:06):
what you got.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Just jumps in on everyone's ya.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
No, no good, Jonah. I was just joking with you.
I was just doing what you were doing. So go ahead,
all right, we got we got bad Brady be Brady
with the band.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Oh man, I'm gonna stick with the outrage of Florida
State not getting in some bad takes he was at
the top of the list and the sensitive yesterday because
here's my argument, and I've said this all along. If
you're disappointed by the College Football Playoff Committee this year,
that's because it impacted your team. Right, you're probably a
Florida State fan, if you're a media member, maybe you
(35:41):
hate Bama.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You're outraged by it. This has always been the case
in college football.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
We've had teams that actually declare they won a national
championship in the past, and they have shares of national
championships right based on how he did it. But Danny
in particular took issue with the fact that in nineteen
ninety three, his Florida State team that lost the Notre Dame.
Mind you had one loss that season, got picked to
go play in Nebraska, Oh Miami. Right, they to beat
(36:07):
Nebraska in Miami, and they did, and so in nineteen
ninety three they won a national championship. But the problem is,
not only did they go in and have a chance
to play in Nebraska over a Notre Dame who had
beat them and only had one loss, but also a
West Virginia team was undefeated. And yet his whole point
was well, multiple people declared the national championship. Well, they
declared national championship this year, Florida State, because that's always
(36:29):
been part of the history of college football. And my
general point is this, when you had four teams as
far as making it into the playoff, but you had
five Power five conferences, there was always going to be
someone left out every single year, even the first year
where the Big twelve should have had representation, they get
left out because they have two teams that tied for
(36:50):
the conference championship and instead it's Ohio State who goes
on to win it all.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So Dan he's gotten.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Sensitive, he got a little upset about it, and like
he does instead of being he's a nice guy in person,
but then he acts like a tough guy to troll
on Twitter. He wanted to try to come back out
and it's the reality is I feel bad like he
feels sensitive about it, impacting him personally, but the truth
of the matter is it's history.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He doesn't need to be all a sensitive about it.
Just a bad take. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for Florida State,
Sorry for Jordan Travis. Unfortunately they're the victim this year.
Happens every year.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I'm sorry for you. Jonas Why is that not for
ugly Jonas? Jonas are the ugly? Not for ugly Jonas.
Oh jeez, here's my ugly for the week. You ugly.
It gets worse.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Tell us the price of Christmas? What is the price
of Christmas?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Did you go get it?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I got one? And it's how much was it? A
six to seven footer is like almost ninety dollars? Ninety
dollars at all because we live.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You are a piece of work, Jonas. What are you
talking about? Ninety dollars? Yeah, you're a piece of work.
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