December 6, 2023 • 50 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Aaron Rodgers comes to the defense of Zach Wilson. Mike McDaniel downplays the success of the Dolphins thus far. Free beers on ICYMI, Petros Papadakis, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Arings Rating Win and Jonas Knox on
Box four Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Let's talk about the New York Jets. Man, oh Man,
what a clown car with three wheels. This is a disaster. SOAtest.
The very latest drama from Wringling Brothers starring the New
York Jets is that Tim Boyle.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He's been cut, all right, he's gone.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is the guy who was tabbed to be the
starting quarterback there. Brett Rippin has been signed and apparently
the Jets still haven't named a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And you've got all.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This back and forth, well yeah, I mean, and there's
all this back and forth about what has gone on
between Zack Wilson, whether or not Aaron Rodgers had to
talk to him. There's been some reporting that Zack Wilson
didn't want to play. All of that led to Aaron
Rodgers showing up on the Pat McAfee show yesterday starring
(01:06):
the Great A J. Hawk and Aaron Rodgers Let it
Fly in an in person sit down with Pat McAfee
about the reporting on Zach Wilson refusing to play. At
this point in the season.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
When you use sources and try to assassinate someone's character
like that report does for Zach, I have a rival
real hard time with that. I mean, you're basically saying
that this this kid is quitting on the team and
doesn't want to play, and it's given the middle finger
to the organization. I have had relationships with, obviously a
(01:41):
number of different media people over the years.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
You get to know them.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
They're in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
There was Beaba writers.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You put your name on something, then you stand behind it,
you know, like I believe and this and yes it's over, yeah, exactly,
thank you. But what you're saying put your name behind it?
What is your impetus? What is your motivation to try
and bury someone like that? And that's a problem with
(02:10):
the organization. You know, we need to get to the
bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a
stop to it privately, because there's no place in a
winning culture where and there's been this is not the
only time.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
There's been a bunch of other leaks.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I think it's.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
At its core and and you know, I think it
has no place in a winning organization to be to
be a source, and especially not being an assassinate somebody's character,
and especially not when it's someone that I really love
and care about, like Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh, it sounds because he loves and cares about him.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean, listen, it sounds like everything's going great. I
don't know what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You've clearly been in a in Milwaukee for way too long.
If you didn't know that New York was driven by
media like this, then I don't know. You're you're fighting
a losing battle there. And then the throw in there,
I did that. I love, especially to do it to
somebody that he loves and cares like the sheriff is
(03:12):
in town.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Boy I will still just go back to the initial
report of Tim Boyle being cut and now Brett Rippinson.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It's just a couple of weeks ago. Wasn't Robert Sala.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
Saying this is the quarterback that gave him the best
chance to win, he's got a different style of play. Well,
those are there a couple of quotes where he said that.
But when they benched Zach Wilson, and then we had
this whole discussion about how ridiculous that was in the
first place. Yeah, I mean, I just like no one
holds them accountable for I mean for real, Like, that's
(03:46):
what this is about to me, is no one is
holding the coaching staff, front office accountable.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
That's the first step that I have and looking at
it going what are you doing?
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Like, I just I understand the Rogers injury through an
entire wrench into their season, into what they thought was
gonna happen, the quarterback spot, the growth that they wanted
Zach Wilson to have by sitting back and watching, but
that we all knew that if this scenario was going
to play out.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It was going to end poorly. And it's been worse
than that.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
I just I don't know how you can believe anything
Robert Salaz says when he gets up there and talks,
because it feels like he's just trying to, you know,
save whatever it is at the moment and not make
it look like the circus that it is. Like that's
the first thing in regards to of what Aaron Rodgers said.
(04:38):
I think he might have gotten there into some degree
realized like there's probably a fair more dysfunction, maybe not,
and maybe it looked it seemed like there was some
dysfunction during his time at Green Bay with the packers.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So maybe it's not you know, only he only he
ultimately knows.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
But I think the tough thing is is there's no
way for Diana received who's been at the top of
this entire thing. There's no way for her to be
able to report what she knows without a potentially looking
bad for Zach Wilson. And I'm sure she's confirmed it
multiple times, which just seems like, I mean, she's doubled down.
(05:17):
She's doubled out on what she has reported and said.
And I believe I sent you the quote Jonas if
you want to read.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Them off, Yeah, this was from quote. The entire building
has been aware of that. Zack Wilson didn't want to
play for over a week now, and Zach Wilson's had
reluctance to go back in there. He's expressed it openly
to people. Rogers was told to speak with Zach Wilson
last Wednesday about changing his mind. I was told that
it didn't even work Initially, Zach said thanks, but no thanks,
(05:44):
this is what I'm going to do moving forward. He
has now changed his mind. Someone from Zach's camp reached
out to tell Diana Rossini that if he was offered
the starting job, he would now take it and play
the Jets know, I know, Zach Wilson knows, I know.
And Aaron Rodgers once again has gone on television refuse
to report that's accurate. End quote from Dianerous.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Isn't she on the Four Letter Network?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
She was, she was, no, but but that's beside the point.
She It sounds like she's got a lot of.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Information on this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So it sounds like she understands exactly what's going on
in all this, Like I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
It doesn't sound like she's fabricating it.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
And during your time when she was at the four
Lett Network, she she you know, did her job then too.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, why would she double down? Like that's that's
that's you're confident on your source and its sources.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And she's also saying this. Look, Zach Wilson's camp reached
out to me, like she's not. It's not like a
you know, he it's he said, he said, and they
said like his camp also reached out to me. So
like the idea that this is cams, yeah, this is
every time I hear that, I think that's pretty cool, Like, wow,
who's your agent.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You mean their agent, your mom, your all that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Stuff, Okay, the person that make sure you get your
house clean or something like that, Like who is your hamp?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, all right, isn't this like evident of that?
The Jets have been one of the worst franchises, not
only in the NFL but in sports for a long time.
There's a reason they've finished last in that division like
seven of the last eight years. Like how many quarterbacks
have been drafted pretty high there that haven't worked out.
(07:31):
It's not just a Zach Wilson problem. That organization's got issues,
and you see, it seemed like Robert Salah is the
guy to steer them past all of that and get
them to a place to where it.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Doesn't It seemed like he came with like a no
nonsense type of approach. But I think I think even
it's a lot of nonsense. He's gotten worn down by
the nonsense and he has to deal One thing I'll
say about coach Coughlin, he was a no nonsense and
he had to deal with a lot of issues with
(08:05):
the players with his approach to his no nonsense approach
and that old school way of doing things. But I
would say if there was one market that existed where
you have to be that type of a person that's
leading in the inner workings of an organization. It would
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be in a New York market. And it's because of
how unforgiving that media market is and what you have
to deal with in terms of trying to keep everything together.
People have built their careers off of what Diana Rassini
is doing. I mean, shouts out to Jay Glazer. Jay
(08:50):
Glazer built his reputation off of being in New York
media and getting inside information from New York players. It's
always been kind of part of the culture in New
York City is getting inside information, like that's like a thing.
So if you're not prepared to be able to not
(09:14):
only coach a team, but to be able to manage
and regulate how things are, how the elements are impacting
your building and impacting your players, you're probably fighting a losing,
a losing battle. If you're a coach in the New
(09:34):
York market. It's that unforgiving like it is that it's
that intense being though.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Okay, let me ask you this, because you're saying a
lot in that regard. It doesn't seem like the Jets
have the same sort of dysfunction and issues with the media.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Why is that you mean the giants or giants excuse me,
you know they do they do? They don't right now.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Like if you went over the last decade or so
and granted I understand how to line manning for a
long period and maybe that was able to cover some
up and they've had some misfortune and some coaches that
have not worked out, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Since.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
But let's just compare both these seasons with one another.
They're both playing backup quarterbacks currently yep.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And the way each.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Has handled it, it seems like it's been entirely different.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I would say, just it doesn't have to be always
negative negative, it's it's it's actually just the scrutiny in
general is really really intense, the coverage, the approach, the
amount of reporters, that it's just different. It's just different there,
(10:42):
like in both so whether for good or for bad,
it's it is a ton of scrutiny that comes your
way in that media market, and that's whether it's handled
properly or not. I think they all have their their
challenges that they have to deal I mean, I'm certain
of it. I lived it, I've seen it. It's just
(11:04):
I think that the Jets. The Jets have have been
in a situation where they have to they have to
do more than what they're doing right now. There was
scrutiny when when uh, when Rex Ryan was there and
they were playing well with ground and pound, he had
a foot fetish. I mean, that's but it's just as scrutiny,
(11:25):
Like how many other coaches have you heard of in
the National Football League where they uncover something like somebody
liking toes and they're to hey, coach. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I don't know, that's kind of out in the open,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It was it?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I mean they're making videos events yeahs bare Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
I mean, look, here's what I'd say about that time,
because I was there in twenty thirteen, Like it felt
like there was a big disconnect between the front office
and the coaching staff like that.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
That's how it felt for the period of time that
I was there.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
And I look, maybe the Giants don't ever deal with
as many of those issues, or you know, it's seldom
that they do, but it feels like the Jets organization,
for whatever reason, I don't know if it starts with ownership.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It usually does.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You know, most ownership groups, when they know how to
handle a football franchise, it's one of two things.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Either they've grown up and that franchise has been in
their family and they understand the things that they need
to do and the structure that needs to be in place,
or they've boughten the team at some point and they
understand how a leadership structure looks from top down.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
And in that case, a lot of times they delegate
and they let.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
The football minds do the football stuff, whether it's front office, coaching, etc.
And they hold themselves accountable for hiring those guys, and
they have a process for hiring those guys, but after
hiring them, outside of that thirty thousand foot view, that's
all they're important. So there's obviously different ways of doing it,
(12:56):
but I think it starts at ownership and then it
trickles down from there. And this is an organization that,
you know, it's it's been a struggle since Robert Sauls there.
They haven't been able to get the quarterback situation right,
and that's not all their fault, you know, their injury
to Rogers is incredibly unfortunate. And it's derailed their entire season.
Like Io's as bullish on this team as anyone before
(13:19):
the year. Thought they're gonna win the Afseas, thought they're
gonna be a playoff team. Look, they still could be
a playoff team. I guess maybe Rogers still does come back,
but they can't lose this week. You know, they are
already in the playoffs in this sense, They've got to
win every game from here on out for them to
have a shot.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
So we'll see. The hard part.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Is is they have been they have They've handled the
adversity so bad with the way they've got about handling
their players, in particular Zach Wilson, that you now look
at them and go, well that that could ultimately be
what kept them from even having a chance to get
to a competitive point where Aaron Rodgers can can make
it back with if it's still.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I agree, it's it's it falls on on the leadership,
like you can you can make Zach Wilson the scapegoat,
or you can make Aaron Rodgers. You're easy out on
punning on the season. But I agree the way they've
handled it is you can't get out of the way
of that, it's a they're easy target for for the
(14:22):
scrutiny and the criticism that's coming their way, and probably
rightfully so. I mean, it's just look at the way
they're like, I'm not there yet. What what is that?
I still don't know what that means. I'm not there
yet with Zach Wilson, what and Boyle gives us the
best chance to win? Those are the things you're coming
out in the media and you're saying, and then you
do something like this, like their actions don't match Robert
(14:43):
Salah's actions and his words aren't matching. And that's in
that media market that's in You're an easy target.
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Speaker 3 (15:57):
So coop the coop minute, baby, that's what.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Well, did you guys see there is a place in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Boy.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
Oh yeah, it's an indoor golf facility in sports bar.
They were running a promotion all season long where if
you're you know, playing on their indoor golf simulator, you
get free beers until the Hawkeyes score.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well does that mean for the next year?
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Well, it's each game, right, yeah, each game during during
the games.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So they have to close this past week. Yes, this
past weekend.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
As as you know, the Hawkeys lost twenty six nothing,
so they never scored and the place had to give
away over one hundred free beers during the game.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's nothing. That's for promotion.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Come on, your brother, right, I rapid think he wants
to give away if it was coming out.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Of a cake.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He's good.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
They're good, trust me, man, that's not bad. Folks like
the drink beer.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, I'm I'm a little surprised that during a
Big ten championship game like that that Iowa fans while
they're watching their team get ripped in half, isn't drinking
more than one hundred beers?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Well, how many people were in there? How many? Do
we know the capacity of this place? Yeah? See, that's
what I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
I mean, it's a and you have to be actually
using their golf simulator at the time in order to
get the free beers. So I mean probably like five
people in there.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I was Sam.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Would you like to answer for this? Are you more
upset about Iowa not scoring or the fact that there
were only one hundred beers taken in during the course
of that game?
Speaker 9 (17:40):
As far, Yeah, I wish they had scored a point.
That would be nice a point. Listen, their defense plate
held Michigan down pretty well, you know point thing. Yeah,
it's disappointing. How much should you drink during that game?
I really, you know what I like to I like
to throw them back when I'm in a good movie.
So I actually didn't have that many drinks during the game.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Oh wow. I was more of just sitting there kind of,
you know, biting my lip a little bit. Oh wow.
One hundred beers is a lot. I don't know.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
I don't think they can hold that many people because
you think there's like each booth there's like a golf
simulator booth. There's maybe like a handful of them. Maybe
some people join those golfers in there.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, just do simple math, right, If you had
fifty people in there, that's two beers.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
I don't I don't know if this was all season.
I think it was just for the Big Ten championship game.
I mean, if it was all season, they'd be out
of business. Because I did take you a while for
I usually put up like a field goal. It was
it was right all season. That's one hell of a promotion.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well, there you go, go, simulating, baby, I mean two
beers per person.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
That doesn't seem like a lot. Yeah, like the place
was dead, I'd be throwing them back. Is getting as
many as I could? Says it cost them five.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Exactly a good market.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's a good promotion.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
What you end up making it as in your account it's.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Her person coop, not just the hundreds. Oh it costed
them five.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Hundred expensive especially stuff and probably given out right.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I thought you were saying five bucks a year, But
how much did.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
It there to give us some real world experience? But
it didn't help much.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I bet it was covered in the cover for the simulation.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The real world experience I have is I remember we
were at for my buddies.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Bachelor party in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We were at an all inclusive resort and they're like,
oh yeah, beers are on us and it ended up
being like these little eight ounce plastic cups of But
that's how it always is, surveys careful of those, dude.
I'm almost positive was watered down because nobody could get
a buzz. Nobody could get that, so so that's what
they do. They just water everything.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Hey, welcome to a college town too.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
By the way, having that promotion you're gonna draw in
a lot of people. They're going to make more money
off of food and other things, you know, maybe like cocktails.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right, I've I've looked it up.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
It is sixty dollars to use these simulator though.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, they're making the person back can of or fish
sixty dollars per person or per party, because if it's
sixty dollars per person, then they're good.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
Charged by the hour per simulator, so it's per Yeah,
you can have six the six people in the simulator.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, but they do.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Usually there's like I don't know, there's like club run,
there's all curts of like little other things they tag
on to charge more.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'm sure they made their their dough back. Yeah they did.
They made not concerned absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And by the way, I just tell you guys, my
brother's putting it a bowling alley next.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
To his rest.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wait really four lane bowling alley?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Really?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh yea, I'm gonna get that three hundred About that
three hundred strikeout?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah? Take off that thumb ering.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I know, I don't use my thumb. I only get
two fingers thumb free.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Jones is using something. It is it is true, how
do you how do you aim the ball? I go curve?
You're crazy, Yeah, he knows how to curve to cup
the ball of the curving. What you got? Let me
let me ask you guys this. You know you guys?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Are you know the the Holy Important Morning show?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You get invited a lot of places? Have you supposed
to understand a while? Have any of you been to
the Sphere in Las Vegas?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I'm saying sorry, I'm sorry, saying again, Coop, how did
you pronounce that the sphere?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
We'll get a via there. So this.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Exotic sphere sphere, I have not seen it.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I've not been signed.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Well, you guys might want to put in for your
your press credentials because apparently the NHL draft will be
held at the Las Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Right, Eddie, you guys go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Eddie's going the Sphere program, gentleman.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So I think, because I know Dana White wants to
put a I try, I try, And I have a
problem with that Irish spring.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I don't know what it is h on Irish and
it sounds like you're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Irish Irish spring. You have to stop major. Good job, Sam.
The Sphere though, looks awesome. It is pretty nice, looking
pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And then you see what like on the inside, like
just at the design and everything's set up. I think
the UFC wants to put on an event there. They're
thinking about doing one next year, like everybody has seen
it and that wants to be a.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Part of it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So, I mean, it's just the graphics that you're able,
what you're able to create inside there, that environment, it's ridiculous.
I can't I can't wait to see a concert there. Yeah,
that's ridiculous. Like, and you don't like your stage, you
you only have to do minimum with your stage, because
everything else can be ran through the entire sphere of
of of the.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
What about a screening of Liar Liar at the sphere?
Oh god, come, you're walking in.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Spa.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
So, as it stands right now, in the NFL, your
number one seeds are the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles. Now,
obviously there's a handful of games left to be played.
But when Mike McDaniel was asked about that, the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins. He said, quote, call me
when it's a thirteen game season, that's a singing game.
(23:45):
So so what So that's that's Mike McDaniel's take on
the whole thing. So I would like to throw this
question at you guys, since we're only handing out one
of these as it stands until they expand to eight
teams in the playoffs, since you're only handing out one
seed on either side that's going to get a buye.
And so we've got one bye week to hand out.
(24:06):
Which team in each conference would you say needs the
bye week and needs home field advantage more so than
anybody else? Casey, you think it's case I think they're
one of the teams that need it the least because
they've done it so many times.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think they need that home field advantage more so
this year than ever. I think it's Detroit Miami who
needs it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I think there's a couple of ways you can look
at it.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
I think to Lvar's point, I would say case sealand
because it provides them such an advantage. That place is
so loud, we know how good they are at home,
and so because of the history of them just straight
making it to an AFC championship game every single year,
one less game to play two games at home in
that environment, and you've got a birth into a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
We won them both.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So if you stacked up, for example, the AFC teams
as far as who's in the running for the number
one seed, Case Miami, Baltimore, like Case and Baltimore, I
don't know if needs the word maybe once should want
to have it more because it creates such an advantage
because I just I think if it's Jacksonville or Miami,
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it would be rocking for them, but it's not as
big of an advantage.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Either of those environments are as loud, especially not Miami
as the other two, as Baltimore as Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That's it's not a slight to anyone their fan bases.
It's just.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, if you've if you've been at both,
you've heard them both. There's a big time difference. I
selfishly would love to see Miami get it only to
see what that place would be like during a home
playoff game in.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
The divisional round.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Like I would love to see that place rocking, you know,
especially some Jimmy Buffett, God Rest.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
His soul, and yeah, I know at Lee's not here,
but you got Fiends to the left, Fiends to the right.
You imagine people who jamming out to that.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Now, not the most intimidating song if you're an opposing team,
it's nothing like being For example, in Pittsburgh, we're here,
sticks Renegade go.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
On before the fourth quarter and you just hear.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
That boom boom, and then think he said the terrible
towels are whipping around.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Everyone's whipping them around. Well here it comes. Here, it comes.
Everyone just goes wild and you're like, okay, all right,
it's the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
The problem is you're not going to hear that this
year because Pittsburgh's not making the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
If they do, they probably they're probably not having a
home game.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But there will be a team from Pennsylvania that gets in,
and they would be a place that you would say
would want to have home field advantage as well. That's right,
that's rights.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You got to get hurts healthy, man like they just
from that standpoint, I would say, because the reason why
I trust Kansas City, I'll take my chances Mahomes and
that defense on the road in a playoff game Miami?
Is that the most intimidating place to play?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Though? Like is that? I mean, do we think Miami
the most intimidating?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
That's what I just said.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
My point is my point, No, My point is who
the hell is going to be worried about having to
go to Miami to win a playoff game late, Like,
if you're Patrick Mahomes, if you're any of these teams.
That's why I look at my answer from the beginning
was Miami in Detroit. I think Detroit needs it because
something's going on in Detroit. They don't look the same.
That team looks like they could use whatever advantages they
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could get. I wonder that offense having to travel, Like,
to me, it just feels like those two teams get
them as many home games as you can. And from
the injury standpoint, it feels like Philadelphia could use some
extra rest.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Why for sure Jacksonville could. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know kind of there's a lot
of ties there between Doug Peterson.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And when you're talking about the health. Now you're talking
about home field advantage in terms of the elements Casey
elements Philly elements, Baltimore elements. You know, you're indoors in Detroit,
so yan't got to worry about that. But you know,
if you're going even.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Warm weather down in like Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Min Here, you go like there's no elements. Is there
a chance for rain though that time of year?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Didn't you guys get dumped on? Recently?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Have there been flooding. Tampa got rain.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
There was a flooding for like some rainfall the other week,
like two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So you get to see I feel like the Conference
champ because we everything's so canned when it comes to
the Super Bowl, you don't have any real elements.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You don't have it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's usually a dome, it's usually someplace like that, it's
nice weather. I feel like the Conference championship games Vegas
this year, they have to be in inclement weather, snow, sleet,
you know, all the stuff you need us.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Though, because then they're like, well it's not the best
team and they just happen to.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Win in adverse conditions. Like you hear people complain about
that all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean Buffalo did say, did say that if snow
wasn't a factor last year that they would that game
would have gone different.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
There was a.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
At home, right, It's.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Like, no, it should have gone your way. That that
was exactly what you wanted to have, right.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
We used to.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Have that practice in the in uh in college. Joe
would make us practice outside during the week. There was
no such thing as using the indoor facility.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Now what if you argued with him to practice inside, Hey, are.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
You gonna play in a Saturday?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
No, let's go. Come on, let's go, and we practice outside,
cold as all freezing. But there was some method to
the madness because he's right. You get out there, like
your lungs react differently if you have not been breathing
that air. I'm telling you, it'll hit you and you'd
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be like.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You see dudes come up from down south. You see
guys come up from down south.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
They've never experienced it before, man, and it's like, oh
and they get hit hard for oh, like it hits different.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Coaches were excited by the way they're excited about going
outside in that weather because like, oh man, we.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Never get many opportunities to practice in this Let's go,
let's go. You're like, okay, I guess. I guess this
is what we're practicing today.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So I'm growing up.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You see it on the movies and you see snow games,
and I remember thinking to myself, like, man, I love
cold weather, like I'd love to live in cold weather.
And I remember my buddy and I were in Chicago.
This is probably like way, yes, we're walking through downtown.
I remember where we were in downtown walking and Win
cut through the buildings and hit us. It was like
twenty degrees and it wasn't snowing, but it was just
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it was.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Cold out the hawk. It'd be hollering at you, screech
at you too, literally took my breath away. I looked
a him and said, what was this? When I hawk
hit you, it goes straight through you like that's Chicago.
Cold is to the bone, Like that's that's Chicago. Cold
will hit you in your bu it's off the lake.
(31:17):
And I remember we played them boys, you man, those
son of a guns had luke warm to cool showers
like it was. It was that was torture. Man, had
had to be intentional. When we got out of that game,
it was like the last game of the year. It's
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like the game's over. We lost, Like I was looking
forward to this hot shower so I could get myself warm,
get comfortable on this plane ride home. We're losers, and
the and the showers were lukewarm, and you couldn't you
were already in it. So you're like waiting and waiting
and wait because sometimes you know, you just got to
(31:59):
let it for about five, ten, fifteen minutes, Like you
ain't got that much time that thing. Man, that that
cold there, and then to get out of a cold
shower and then have to go out to get to
like family.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Members are there.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You're like, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to you, but we
only see you when you come play in Chicago, Like
I know what I'll call ya. I was trying to
get to the end of the bus. It changed my
opinion on living in cold weather.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I had so much more respect for people there that
have to live in that craft after just feeling one
gust to win through the buildings.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Chicago air is who that's on a whole nother level. Man, Yeah,
it'll get you, it'll get you. But like I said,
the home field advantage aspect of it all. Man, I
think the weather component definitely plays a major factor in it.
But also having your fans, like the fan base is
like you know, like you mentioned, it's so loud, it's
so difficult to play in certain places. And Casey is
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one of them, the Raven Stadium. It's it's pretty loud,
and they're they're pretty you know, pretty supportive Philly, They're
pretty supportive. So, I mean, when you're looking at places
that we want to get that home field advantage outside
of just the aspects of giving that rest and getting
that bye week for injuries, it would be probably to
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me one of those three. I just don't think Philly's
gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I think they're going to get the one seat you
think so, I do. I think they're losing this weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
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Right now, it's a return of this guy, Petros Papadekas,
the co host of the Petros and Money Show, which
you can hear on the Blowtorch and five seventy LX
sports Fox college football analysts and Petros. You know you
were up celebrating late with your Lakers on their way
to the semis of the in season tournament in the NBA.
Congratulations they win, Yes, oh yeah, they won in the
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last second.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
There's some kind of controversy about possession and a timeout.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, because they were granted a timeout and they didn't
have possession of the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
They beat the Suns.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
So we got to get We gotta get Lebron in
the championship for the good of the NBA. Yeah, I
know that it's good for like the tenth or eleventh
guy on the bench, and the teams might be playing
kind of harder for that, or maybe that's a thing.
And I know the NBA has made it to where
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everybody's got to act like they understand this thing and
is like pumping it up. Like the intro to all
these games, it's like no, no, no, and welcome to
two A, B Section South, Double West. Well, the NBA
in season, Like, I don't understand it. I don't understand
what games are already scheduled and what's the extra game.
(34:55):
I don't get it. Maybe more people do now that
it's started. I don't understand it at all.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, So congrats, I mean this is the most we've
talked about it you know on the show, so well, you.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Led the show with it. Yeah, I'm a college football
at Hell.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
No, it's good. I'm really happy for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah. Can I ask you guys in the Laker fans?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Can I ask you an important question?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I believe that is your function on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Do you guys get novacane? Do you get your gums
shut up when you go to get your teeth cleaned?
Or do you go no novacane at all? No novacaane none,
so you want to feel it. I've never heard of
such a practice. You don't numb your gums to get
your teeth.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Well, I guess there's people that like are so adverse
to the dentists that they just have themselves put completely out.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I had the gas ready, but I didn't do it yesterday.
But my mouth is really sore from getting injections in
my gums to clean do a deep, deep cleaning of
my teeth.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Are you saying that when the rest of us go
get our teeth, we're not cleaning them deep enough because
we don't get our gum shot up? No? No, I
was asking do you just maybe we could just do
a cocaine gummer and call it.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Even Yeah, I never tried it. I mean may I mean,
this is your moment, little horseshoe, little horsehot. So you
guys are okay with the drills and all that stuff
and the scraping and the scratchy.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Wait, drilling, yes is yes, drilling is something you would
want to number your teeth for a teeth cleaning.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
A normal drill. It's more like that vibrator thing that
is like a drill.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I've never heard of anybody being numbed.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
For so I think that that means that you probably
have a sensitivity issue to old So that's probably why
they numb you because they've got to get in there
and spray it out.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And yeah, sometimes the water can be a little cold.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
That was my important question of like a big, tough, angry,
legendary linebacker, you know, worried about his teeth.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Well, my my mouth is very sensitive.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
No, I got you.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I mean whenever I go in there as a mouth breather,
whenever I go in there, they really got to go
to work, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, I'm a mouth breather too, you know, absolutely all right,
that was my that was my one important question copy that.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
So the NBA tournament in season and the dental practice
anesthetic and we are off and running. What is that?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's what we do, Petros, what we do.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I want to talk about now that Big Grand Canyon
University upset.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Over the.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Loops. Let's go loop, let's go talk.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
About I was going to ask you for your reaction
on the college football playoffs. So many people are outraged, Petros.
They can't live with themselves. They're not going to watch
another game of college football. Yes, because of this final four.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Well, one thing about college football, whether it was the
AP poll years and years ago that would come out,
whether it's ranking before the bowl and all the other
stuff that's gone on. I mean, we've got one hundred
something teams, so the conversation about who's number one and
what's right and what's wrong has always just kind of
(38:12):
been part of it, right, Like the outrage, the anger,
the we got screwed, the Central Florida declaring themselves champions
of the world or whatever. Remember, like all of those
things are part of the pantheon and the narrative of
college football. They make people talk about college football, the BCS,
you know, all these things that we've done over the years.
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This I mean, I feel like we've avoided this for
years and years with this stupid fourteen playoff. It's never
been never been workable to have five power conferences and
four spots. It's just it's always been stupid. It's been
created by a TV company, a committee created by a
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TV company, a TV company in ESPN that owns a
big part and has a huge interest in the SEC,
and it's set up for the SEC to have success.
That's always been the case. So it's not a surprise
that the SEC. If somebody's going to get screwed, it's
not going to be them. That's one part about this.
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The other part about this that I was kind of
saying earlier, we've avoided this for years and years because
the PAC twelve has been so bad, right, the PAC
twelve has been dismissible and they cannibalize themselves in November,
and you can always shrug your shoulders and say, well
it doesn't matter. Well, this year it does. The PAC
twelve is going to send a representative and you knew
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it and you felt it at the end, and then
somebody else had to get screwed. I understand why Florida
State is really upset when you put humans in that
want to make TV matchups for TV for a TV event,
in a TV business, this is the decision they're going
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to come to because of the circumstances. It's not surprising.
Is it fair?
Speaker 5 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
No.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
At some point did the games have to matter? Yes,
this was kind of this is a travesty. But I
also understand you know who's involved and why, and you
know why these things happen.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
And that's a lot of the same sentiment that I
said earlier and we've kind of talked about. And that's
why it's kind of just like, all right, it's Florida
State's fan base who's upset this year or whoever has.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
A bone to pick with Alabama. Right.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
One of the things that I do hear people say
is what the well the games have to matter?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Well, the games do matter. Unfortunately for Florida.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
State, the ten games prior to Jordan Travis getting hurt
didn't matter as much because there was a new reality
for them the.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Last three games.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
In the last three games they played, I think it's
justifiable or reasonable to say, hey, we all watched it
didn't look very good.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah, and you look like the same team, right.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
I guess, I guess, But I mean when we talk
about the sport, we're talking about trying to overcome adversity,
like that is the key to the whole sport. And
you understand players and coaches and dynamics of programs and
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what it's like to be on a team when somebody
gets hurt. So that's a pretty tough argument to make,
you know what I mean. I mean, I get it,
I understand that, but what's the nature of the sport
that we cover? And look, I understand this situation more
than anything. There's a reason that Colorado was just as
bad as they normally are basically, but Deon Sanders is
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the athlete or the year, Yeah, sports person of the
Year from Sports Now. I don't think Sports Illustrated did
that to distract from the controversy about having AI reporters
with fake names do stories and not have to pay
real people. I don't repeat that again.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
You don't think that's why they made I don't think. No, Okay,
it was a diversion tactic, no.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
No, But it certainly helped in the moment, didn't it.
The point is, like, why do we celebrate Dion when
Colorado had the same conference record that they had last
year and everybody got fired. Well, the answer is easy.
It's a TV business and they generated TV attention at
television ratings. Coach pram So, I mean, thank god this
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is the last year of the fourteen playoff because not
that it really matters because now the PAC twelve's going away.
But this was never you know, we could make arguments
about this guy got hurt, but hey, look who they
played in the non conference. They beat LSU. Look at
the SEC's non conference victories. They got nothing. You know,
all of those things. Tough game against Middle Tennessee State
(42:50):
for Alabama, you know all of that. But I do
get it. Like one of the things that kind of
told me how maybe they did the right thing was
Michigan's reaction when they fold they were playing Alabama, right,
you know, oh and then like oh okay, we should
be upset. We shouldn't be upset. Okay, all right, let's go.
You know, it was it was interesting. I mean, it's
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something that we could talk about for years and years,
and people in Tallahassee are pissed.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
I'll be honest, I think we're gonna forget about this
once the games get played, especially if they're good games.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
It depends on what happens with them and Georgia and
all that, and if they Champwigonship like UCF.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
If Georgia beats their their ears off, does it? I mean,
there's gonna be so many guys sitting out of the game.
I'm not sure it's gonna matter one way or another,
will it?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
I don't know. I don't know. I mean it is
this week's conversation. You're right about that, but it is
kind of an f you and a goodbye to how
dysfunctional this college football system.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Was Petro speaking of an FU. How about Deanton Lynn
going from UCLA to USC brand new defensive coordinator there
for the Trojans, big get for USC?
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Does that make it r the Trojan horse to get him?
What happened there?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Well yeah, I'm sure they double his salary at least,
And that's good, right, And I'm happy for him. He's
an up and coming, good young coach. I love that
he does not have any kind of background with like
Mike Leach or Dana Holgerson or the Stoopses or anybody
involved with Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley. Like he's not from
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that tree of people who worship Art Briles as a
high school coach. You know what I'm saying. Anthony Lynn son,
he's Anthony Lynn's son, and he comes from an NFL
background if you look at his resume mostly and his
dad's an NFL guy and a great guy. Anthony Lynn,
the fabulous guy. And we used to love talking to
him when he was a coach of the Chargers Deanton.
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I think it's more important for him to come into
a program that's going to change its philosophy a little
bit and be a more complete football team. And that
is what Lincoln Riley has vowed to do. He's kind
of set up all the right things. It looks like
the athletic director Jen Cohen has truly gotten to him.
And the failure of this year and the disappointment this year,
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which could have been probably the most disappointed USC football
season of all time, I think is sobered up Lincoln Riley. Now,
can he coach a team in all three phases and
thrive that way and recruit and develop defensive and offensive
line and all that stuff. Well, they're saying all the
right things now, I mean, and he said that they
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need to get bigger defensively and things like that. So
so hopefully they're headed in the right direction. It's a
much better higher than somebody I thought that would be
connected with the air raid or the Midwest or you
know what we would expect, you know, another higher, Yeah,
another higher like Alex Grinch. You really don't you really
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don't know. You have some fun with a guy like.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Super quick for you know, let you up out of here.
I went to the PAC twelve championship game.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I was, oh, yeah, it was exciting, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I got to I was impressed by the way Washington
played in that game. I mean, I mean, they play
very well. What chances do you give them in the playoff?
Speaker 6 (46:21):
Well, they got text. I mean, look, if Auburn loses
to New Mexico State, right literally, the Aggies went into
Jorden Hare and beat them, and then Alabama needs a
miracle the next week to beat Auburn. I don't really
think of Alabama as this insurmountable comet juggernaut to get
through Georgia. Maybe would have felt a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, that's the juggernaut, that's right, not in the dance.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
Now, Washington has had some problems defensively, but they've become
a little bit better and they've become more timely defensively
as the season has gone on. I mean, they needed
it to beat Arizona State, not a good offensive team,
but they got it. You know, they've run the ball,
They've created a run game after Panics got a little
beat up. Dylan Johnson after Oregon. Yeah, Dylan Johnson, and
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he's doing a great job.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
And hey, can we talk about the last time you
and I got a chance to watch together the patrow
of playing in the college football playoffs?
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Yeah, Washington, Utah. It was like those six to three games.
Speaker 7 (47:23):
No, when they were in when it was Ohio State
versus Oregon back in twenty fourteen, you and I got
the chance to watch together.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
Oh oh yes, and oh yeah, wait, I remember the
one where Jamis Winston had the ball the fumble, the
ball slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Yeah, that was the semi five.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
Florida State Oregon. So he watched. Do you remember twelve
just made the college Football Playoff twice? Washington made it
once and Oregon made it once and we watched in
Ohio State fourteen.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Yeah, and do you do you remember Washington together though?
What happened in that game?
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Yeah, Washington couldn't get any push they played.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Okay, Oregon organ versus Ohio State. Oh wait that one?
Speaker 3 (48:02):
No, no, I know, okay, yeah, you guys are banged up.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
No. No.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
We were together in the green room at Fox and
went on a ti rate at one point because Oregon
couldn't They couldn't stop Zeek Elliott Like you just saw
Cee Kelly and running with a little back tailgate flap
and every time oh.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
His back flap.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, I did. Just because they're never gonna think we're tough.
They're never gonna think we're physical. This is it. This
is the end of the Pack twelve. It was so mad.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
It is the end of the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
It really is the end.
Speaker 6 (48:35):
I think Washington's offensive line could get a better push
than they than they did the last time around.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
So is the physicality of the West Coast? Is it
up for display versus Texas and the semi fo. Yeah,
Washington's gonna be fine. They're not gonna be physically dominated
in the game. They might be if they are, though,
are you gay?
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Will I will call you and leave a five minute
message on your magines and I will mention backflaps. You
were so upset that we had a fat uh lineman
at sc when I was playing, named Jason Grain a
great guy, and he was he was he looked like
Barney the Dinosaur in many ways and uh he he
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really did just the shape of his lower body and
and uh he had a backflap, you know, and we'd
score a touchdown and he tried to get like he'd
really effort to like in the celebration, to get his
back flap in the celebration on the camera, you know,
and to be like, you see my back flap when
you scored? Sexy look And I was like, looky, it's great.
(49:39):
It's your back flap. Isn't great? Is real? It's a
fashion choice?
Speaker 5 (49:47):
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Speaker 3 (49:54):
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Speaker 6 (50:00):
Till five in the morning on like a cocaine binge
with a guy. And he looks at you and says,
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Speaker 3 (50:07):
Never done cocaine. You don't even know neither man, You
don't even catch up. We got to try it, you.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
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Speaker 6 (50:18):
You don't know what it's like. It is
This is the best of two pros and a couple
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Let's talk about the New York Jets. Man, oh Man,
what a clown car with three wheels. This is a disaster. SOAtest.
The very latest drama from Wringling Brothers starring the New
York Jets is that Tim Boyle.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
He's been cut, all right, he's gone.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is the guy who was tabbed to be the
starting quarterback there. Brett Rippin has been signed and apparently
the Jets still haven't named a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And you've got all.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This back and forth, well yeah, I mean, and there's
all this back and forth about what has gone on
between Zack Wilson, whether or not Aaron Rodgers had to
talk to him. There's been some reporting that Zack Wilson
didn't want to play. All of that led to Aaron
Rodgers showing up on the Pat McAfee show yesterday starring
(01:06):
the Great A J. Hawk and Aaron Rodgers Let it
Fly in an in person sit down with Pat McAfee
about the reporting on Zach Wilson refusing to play. At
this point in the season.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
When you use sources and try to assassinate someone's character
like that report does for Zach, I have a rival
real hard time with that. I mean, you're basically saying
that this this kid is quitting on the team and
doesn't want to play, and it's given the middle finger
to the organization. I have had relationships with, obviously a
(01:41):
number of different media people over the years.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
You get to know them.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
They're in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
There was Beaba writers.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You put your name on something, then you stand behind it,
you know, like I believe and this and yes it's over, yeah, exactly,
thank you. But what you're saying put your name behind it?
What is your impetus? What is your motivation to try
and bury someone like that? And that's a problem with
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the organization. You know, we need to get to the
bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a
stop to it privately, because there's no place in a
winning culture where and there's been this is not the
only time.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
There's been a bunch of other leaks.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I think it's.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
At its core and and you know, I think it
has no place in a winning organization to be to
be a source, and especially not being an assassinate somebody's character,
and especially not when it's someone that I really love
and care about, like Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh, it sounds because he loves and cares about him.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean, listen, it sounds like everything's going great. I
don't know what the problem is.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You've clearly been in a in Milwaukee for way too long.
If you didn't know that New York was driven by
media like this, then I don't know. You're you're fighting
a losing battle there. And then the throw in there,
I did that. I love, especially to do it to
somebody that he loves and cares like the sheriff is
(03:12):
in town.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Boy I will still just go back to the initial
report of Tim Boyle being cut and now Brett Rippinson.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It's just a couple of weeks ago. Wasn't Robert Sala.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
Saying this is the quarterback that gave him the best
chance to win, he's got a different style of play. Well,
those are there a couple of quotes where he said that.
But when they benched Zach Wilson, and then we had
this whole discussion about how ridiculous that was in the
first place. Yeah, I mean, I just like no one
holds them accountable for I mean for real, Like, that's
(03:46):
what this is about to me, is no one is
holding the coaching staff, front office accountable.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
That's the first step that I have and looking at
it going what are you doing?
Speaker 7 (03:57):
Like, I just I understand the Rogers injury through an
entire wrench into their season, into what they thought was
gonna happen, the quarterback spot, the growth that they wanted
Zach Wilson to have by sitting back and watching, but
that we all knew that if this scenario was going
to play out.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
It was going to end poorly. And it's been worse
than that.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
I just I don't know how you can believe anything
Robert Salaz says when he gets up there and talks,
because it feels like he's just trying to, you know,
save whatever it is at the moment and not make
it look like the circus that it is. Like that's
the first thing in regards to of what Aaron Rodgers said.
(04:38):
I think he might have gotten there into some degree
realized like there's probably a fair more dysfunction, maybe not,
and maybe it looked it seemed like there was some
dysfunction during his time at Green Bay with the packers.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So maybe it's not you know, only he only he
ultimately knows.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
But I think the tough thing is is there's no
way for Diana received who's been at the top of
this entire thing. There's no way for her to be
able to report what she knows without a potentially looking
bad for Zach Wilson. And I'm sure she's confirmed it
multiple times, which just seems like, I mean, she's doubled down.
(05:17):
She's doubled out on what she has reported and said.
And I believe I sent you the quote Jonas if
you want to read.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Them off, Yeah, this was from quote. The entire building
has been aware of that. Zack Wilson didn't want to
play for over a week now, and Zach Wilson's had
reluctance to go back in there. He's expressed it openly
to people. Rogers was told to speak with Zach Wilson
last Wednesday about changing his mind. I was told that
it didn't even work Initially, Zach said thanks, but no thanks,
(05:44):
this is what I'm going to do moving forward. He
has now changed his mind. Someone from Zach's camp reached
out to tell Diana Rossini that if he was offered
the starting job, he would now take it and play
the Jets know, I know, Zach Wilson knows, I know.
And Aaron Rodgers once again has gone on television refuse
to report that's accurate. End quote from Dianerous.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Isn't she on the Four Letter Network?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
She was, she was, no, but but that's beside the point.
She It sounds like she's got a lot of.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Information on this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
So it sounds like she understands exactly what's going on
in all this, Like I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
It doesn't sound like she's fabricating it.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
And during your time when she was at the four
Lett Network, she she you know, did her job then too.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I mean, why would she double down? Like that's that's
that's you're confident on your source and its sources.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And she's also saying this. Look, Zach Wilson's camp reached
out to me, like she's not. It's not like a
you know, he it's he said, he said, and they
said like his camp also reached out to me. So
like the idea that this is cams, yeah, this is
every time I hear that, I think that's pretty cool, Like, wow,
who's your agent.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
You mean their agent, your mom, your all that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Stuff, Okay, the person that make sure you get your
house clean or something like that, Like who is your hamp?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, all right, isn't this like evident of that?
The Jets have been one of the worst franchises, not
only in the NFL but in sports for a long time.
There's a reason they've finished last in that division like
seven of the last eight years. Like how many quarterbacks
have been drafted pretty high there that haven't worked out.
(07:31):
It's not just a Zach Wilson problem. That organization's got issues,
and you see, it seemed like Robert Salah is the
guy to steer them past all of that and get
them to a place to where it.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Doesn't It seemed like he came with like a no
nonsense type of approach. But I think I think even
it's a lot of nonsense. He's gotten worn down by
the nonsense and he has to deal One thing I'll
say about coach Coughlin, he was a no nonsense and
he had to deal with a lot of issues with
(08:05):
the players with his approach to his no nonsense approach
and that old school way of doing things. But I
would say if there was one market that existed where
you have to be that type of a person that's
leading in the inner workings of an organization. It would
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be in a New York market. And it's because of
how unforgiving that media market is and what you have
to deal with in terms of trying to keep everything together.
People have built their careers off of what Diana Rassini
is doing. I mean, shouts out to Jay Glazer. Jay
(08:50):
Glazer built his reputation off of being in New York
media and getting inside information from New York players. It's
always been kind of part of the culture in New
York City is getting inside information, like that's like a thing.
So if you're not prepared to be able to not
(09:14):
only coach a team, but to be able to manage
and regulate how things are, how the elements are impacting
your building and impacting your players, you're probably fighting a losing,
a losing battle. If you're a coach in the New
(09:34):
York market. It's that unforgiving like it is that it's
that intense being though.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Okay, let me ask you this, because you're saying a
lot in that regard. It doesn't seem like the Jets
have the same sort of dysfunction and issues with the media.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Why is that you mean the giants or giants excuse me,
you know they do they do? They don't right now.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Like if you went over the last decade or so
and granted I understand how to line manning for a
long period and maybe that was able to cover some
up and they've had some misfortune and some coaches that
have not worked out, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Since.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
But let's just compare both these seasons with one another.
They're both playing backup quarterbacks currently yep.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And the way each.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Has handled it, it seems like it's been entirely different.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I would say, just it doesn't have to be always
negative negative, it's it's it's actually just the scrutiny in
general is really really intense, the coverage, the approach, the
amount of reporters, that it's just different. It's just different there,
(10:42):
like in both so whether for good or for bad,
it's it is a ton of scrutiny that comes your
way in that media market, and that's whether it's handled
properly or not. I think they all have their their
challenges that they have to deal I mean, I'm certain
of it. I lived it, I've seen it. It's just
(11:04):
I think that the Jets. The Jets have have been
in a situation where they have to they have to
do more than what they're doing right now. There was
scrutiny when when uh, when Rex Ryan was there and
they were playing well with ground and pound, he had
a foot fetish. I mean, that's but it's just as scrutiny,
(11:25):
Like how many other coaches have you heard of in
the National Football League where they uncover something like somebody
liking toes and they're to hey, coach. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
I don't know, that's kind of out in the open,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It was it?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I mean they're making videos events yeahs bare Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
I mean, look, here's what I'd say about that time,
because I was there in twenty thirteen, Like it felt
like there was a big disconnect between the front office
and the coaching staff like that.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
That's how it felt for the period of time that
I was there.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
And I look, maybe the Giants don't ever deal with
as many of those issues, or you know, it's seldom
that they do, but it feels like the Jets organization,
for whatever reason, I don't know if it starts with ownership.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It usually does.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
You know, most ownership groups, when they know how to
handle a football franchise, it's one of two things.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Either they've grown up and that franchise has been in
their family and they understand the things that they need
to do and the structure that needs to be in place,
or they've boughten the team at some point and they
understand how a leadership structure looks from top down.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
And in that case, a lot of times they delegate
and they let.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
The football minds do the football stuff, whether it's front office, coaching, etc.
And they hold themselves accountable for hiring those guys, and
they have a process for hiring those guys, but after
hiring them, outside of that thirty thousand foot view, that's
all they're important. So there's obviously different ways of doing it,
(12:56):
but I think it starts at ownership and then it
trickles down from there. And this is an organization that,
you know, it's it's been a struggle since Robert Sauls there.
They haven't been able to get the quarterback situation right,
and that's not all their fault, you know, their injury
to Rogers is incredibly unfortunate. And it's derailed their entire season.
Like Io's as bullish on this team as anyone before
(13:19):
the year. Thought they're gonna win the Afseas, thought they're
gonna be a playoff team. Look, they still could be
a playoff team. I guess maybe Rogers still does come back,
but they can't lose this week. You know, they are
already in the playoffs in this sense, They've got to
win every game from here on out for them to
have a shot.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
So we'll see. The hard part.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Is is they have been they have They've handled the
adversity so bad with the way they've got about handling
their players, in particular Zach Wilson, that you now look
at them and go, well that that could ultimately be
what kept them from even having a chance to get
to a competitive point where Aaron Rodgers can can make
it back with if it's still.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I agree, it's it's it falls on on the leadership,
like you can you can make Zach Wilson the scapegoat,
or you can make Aaron Rodgers. You're easy out on
punning on the season. But I agree the way they've
handled it is you can't get out of the way
of that, it's a they're easy target for for the
(14:22):
scrutiny and the criticism that's coming their way, and probably
rightfully so. I mean, it's just look at the way
they're like, I'm not there yet. What what is that?
I still don't know what that means. I'm not there
yet with Zach Wilson, what and Boyle gives us the
best chance to win? Those are the things you're coming
out in the media and you're saying, and then you
do something like this, like their actions don't match Robert
(14:43):
Salah's actions and his words aren't matching. And that's in
that media market that's in You're an easy target.
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Speaker 5 (15:57):
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Speaker 3 (15:57):
So coop the coop minute, baby, that's what.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Well, did you guys see there is a place in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Boy.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
Oh yeah, it's an indoor golf facility in sports bar.
They were running a promotion all season long where if
you're you know, playing on their indoor golf simulator, you
get free beers until the Hawkeyes score.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well does that mean for the next year?
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Well, it's each game, right, yeah, each game during during
the games.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So they have to close this past week. Yes, this
past weekend.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
As as you know, the Hawkeys lost twenty six nothing,
so they never scored and the place had to give
away over one hundred free beers during the game.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's nothing. That's for promotion.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Come on, your brother, right, I rapid think he wants
to give away if it was coming out.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Of a cake.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He's good.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
They're good, trust me, man, that's not bad. Folks like
the drink beer.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, I'm I'm a little surprised that during a
Big ten championship game like that that Iowa fans while
they're watching their team get ripped in half, isn't drinking
more than one hundred beers?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Well, how many people were in there? How many? Do
we know the capacity of this place? Yeah? See, that's
what I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
I mean, it's a and you have to be actually
using their golf simulator at the time in order to
get the free beers. So I mean probably like five
people in there.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I was Sam.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Would you like to answer for this? Are you more
upset about Iowa not scoring or the fact that there
were only one hundred beers taken in during the course
of that game?
Speaker 9 (17:40):
As far, Yeah, I wish they had scored a point.
That would be nice a point. Listen, their defense plate
held Michigan down pretty well, you know point thing. Yeah,
it's disappointing. How much should you drink during that game?
I really, you know what I like to I like
to throw them back when I'm in a good movie.
So I actually didn't have that many drinks during the game.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Oh wow. I was more of just sitting there kind of,
you know, biting my lip a little bit. Oh wow.
One hundred beers is a lot. I don't know.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
I don't think they can hold that many people because
you think there's like each booth there's like a golf
simulator booth. There's maybe like a handful of them. Maybe
some people join those golfers in there.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, just do simple math, right, If you had
fifty people in there, that's two beers.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
I don't I don't know if this was all season.
I think it was just for the Big Ten championship game.
I mean, if it was all season, they'd be out
of business. Because I did take you a while for
I usually put up like a field goal. It was
it was right all season. That's one hell of a promotion.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well, there you go, go, simulating, baby, I mean two
beers per person.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
That doesn't seem like a lot. Yeah, like the place
was dead, I'd be throwing them back. Is getting as
many as I could? Says it cost them five.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Exactly a good market.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's a good promotion.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
What you end up making it as in your account it's.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Her person coop, not just the hundreds. Oh it costed
them five.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Hundred expensive especially stuff and probably given out right.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I thought you were saying five bucks a year, But
how much did.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
It there to give us some real world experience? But
it didn't help much.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I bet it was covered in the cover for the simulation.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
The real world experience I have is I remember we
were at for my buddies.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Bachelor party in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We were at an all inclusive resort and they're like,
oh yeah, beers are on us and it ended up
being like these little eight ounce plastic cups of But
that's how it always is, surveys careful of those, dude.
I'm almost positive was watered down because nobody could get
a buzz. Nobody could get that, so so that's what
they do. They just water everything.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Hey, welcome to a college town too.
Speaker 9 (19:52):
By the way, having that promotion you're gonna draw in
a lot of people. They're going to make more money
off of food and other things, you know, maybe like cocktails.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Right, I've I've looked it up.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
It is sixty dollars to use these simulator though.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, they're making the person back can of or fish
sixty dollars per person or per party, because if it's
sixty dollars per person, then they're good.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
Charged by the hour per simulator, so it's per Yeah,
you can have six the six people in the simulator.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah, but they do.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Usually there's like I don't know, there's like club run,
there's all curts of like little other things they tag
on to charge more.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'm sure they made their their dough back. Yeah they did.
They made not concerned absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And by the way, I just tell you guys, my
brother's putting it a bowling alley next.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
To his rest.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Wait really four lane bowling alley?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Really?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Oh yea, I'm gonna get that three hundred About that
three hundred strikeout?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah? Take off that thumb ering.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I know, I don't use my thumb. I only get
two fingers thumb free.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Jones is using something. It is it is true, how
do you how do you aim the ball? I go curve?
You're crazy, Yeah, he knows how to curve to cup
the ball of the curving. What you got? Let me
let me ask you guys this. You know you guys?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Are you know the the Holy Important Morning show?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You get invited a lot of places? Have you supposed
to understand a while? Have any of you been to
the Sphere in Las Vegas?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
I'm saying sorry, I'm sorry, saying again, Coop, how did
you pronounce that the sphere?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
We'll get a via there. So this.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Exotic sphere sphere, I have not seen it.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I've not been signed.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Well, you guys might want to put in for your
your press credentials because apparently the NHL draft will be
held at the Las Vegas.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Right, Eddie, you guys go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Eddie's going the Sphere program, gentleman.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So I think, because I know Dana White wants to
put a I try, I try, And I have a
problem with that Irish spring.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I don't know what it is h on Irish and
it sounds like you're saying.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Irish Irish spring. You have to stop major. Good job, Sam.
The Sphere though, looks awesome. It is pretty nice, looking
pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And then you see what like on the inside, like
just at the design and everything's set up. I think
the UFC wants to put on an event there. They're
thinking about doing one next year, like everybody has seen
it and that wants to be a.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Part of it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So, I mean, it's just the graphics that you're able,
what you're able to create inside there, that environment, it's ridiculous.
I can't I can't wait to see a concert there. Yeah,
that's ridiculous. Like, and you don't like your stage, you
you only have to do minimum with your stage, because
everything else can be ran through the entire sphere of
of of the.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
What about a screening of Liar Liar at the sphere?
Oh god, come, you're walking in.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Spa.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
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Speaker 2 (23:19):
So, as it stands right now, in the NFL, your
number one seeds are the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles. Now,
obviously there's a handful of games left to be played.
But when Mike McDaniel was asked about that, the head
coach of the Miami Dolphins. He said, quote, call me
when it's a thirteen game season, that's a singing game.
(23:45):
So so what So that's that's Mike McDaniel's take on
the whole thing. So I would like to throw this
question at you guys, since we're only handing out one
of these as it stands until they expand to eight
teams in the playoffs, since you're only handing out one
seed on either side that's going to get a buye.
And so we've got one bye week to hand out.
(24:06):
Which team in each conference would you say needs the
bye week and needs home field advantage more so than
anybody else? Casey, you think it's case I think they're
one of the teams that need it the least because
they've done it so many times.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think they need that home field advantage more so
this year than ever. I think it's Detroit Miami who
needs it.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I think there's a couple of ways you can look
at it.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
I think to Lvar's point, I would say case sealand
because it provides them such an advantage. That place is
so loud, we know how good they are at home,
and so because of the history of them just straight
making it to an AFC championship game every single year,
one less game to play two games at home in
that environment, and you've got a birth into a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
We won them both.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
So if you stacked up, for example, the AFC teams
as far as who's in the running for the number
one seed, Case Miami, Baltimore, like Case and Baltimore, I
don't know if needs the word maybe once should want
to have it more because it creates such an advantage
because I just I think if it's Jacksonville or Miami,
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it would be rocking for them, but it's not as
big of an advantage.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Either of those environments are as loud, especially not Miami
as the other two, as Baltimore as Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That's it's not a slight to anyone their fan bases.
It's just.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, if you've if you've been at both,
you've heard them both. There's a big time difference. I
selfishly would love to see Miami get it only to
see what that place would be like during a home
playoff game in.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
The divisional round.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
Like I would love to see that place rocking, you know,
especially some Jimmy Buffett, God Rest.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
His soul, and yeah, I know at Lee's not here,
but you got Fiends to the left, Fiends to the right.
You imagine people who jamming out to that.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Now, not the most intimidating song if you're an opposing team,
it's nothing like being For example, in Pittsburgh, we're here,
sticks Renegade go.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
On before the fourth quarter and you just hear.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
That boom boom, and then think he said the terrible
towels are whipping around.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Everyone's whipping them around. Well here it comes. Here, it comes.
Everyone just goes wild and you're like, okay, all right,
it's the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
The problem is you're not going to hear that this
year because Pittsburgh's not making the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
If they do, they probably they're probably not having a
home game.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But there will be a team from Pennsylvania that gets in,
and they would be a place that you would say
would want to have home field advantage as well. That's right,
that's rights.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You got to get hurts healthy, man like they just
from that standpoint, I would say, because the reason why
I trust Kansas City, I'll take my chances Mahomes and
that defense on the road in a playoff game Miami?
Is that the most intimidating place to play?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Though? Like is that? I mean, do we think Miami
the most intimidating?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
That's what I just said.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
My point is my point, No, My point is who
the hell is going to be worried about having to
go to Miami to win a playoff game late, Like,
if you're Patrick Mahomes, if you're any of these teams.
That's why I look at my answer from the beginning
was Miami in Detroit. I think Detroit needs it because
something's going on in Detroit. They don't look the same.
That team looks like they could use whatever advantages they
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could get. I wonder that offense having to travel, Like,
to me, it just feels like those two teams get
them as many home games as you can. And from
the injury standpoint, it feels like Philadelphia could use some
extra rest.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Why for sure Jacksonville could. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know kind of there's a lot
of ties there between Doug Peterson.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And when you're talking about the health. Now you're talking
about home field advantage in terms of the elements Casey
elements Philly elements, Baltimore elements. You know, you're indoors in Detroit,
so yan't got to worry about that. But you know,
if you're going even.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Warm weather down in like Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Min Here, you go like there's no elements. Is there
a chance for rain though that time of year?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Didn't you guys get dumped on? Recently?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Have there been flooding. Tampa got rain.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
There was a flooding for like some rainfall the other week,
like two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So you get to see I feel like the Conference
champ because we everything's so canned when it comes to
the Super Bowl, you don't have any real elements.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
You don't have it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's usually a dome, it's usually someplace like that, it's
nice weather. I feel like the Conference championship games Vegas
this year, they have to be in inclement weather, snow, sleet,
you know, all the stuff you need us.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Though, because then they're like, well it's not the best
team and they just happen to.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Win in adverse conditions. Like you hear people complain about
that all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I mean Buffalo did say, did say that if snow
wasn't a factor last year that they would that game
would have gone different.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
There was a.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
At home, right, It's.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Like, no, it should have gone your way. That that
was exactly what you wanted to have, right.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
We used to.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Have that practice in the in uh in college. Joe
would make us practice outside during the week. There was
no such thing as using the indoor facility.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Now what if you argued with him to practice inside, Hey, are.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
You gonna play in a Saturday?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
No, let's go. Come on, let's go, and we practice outside,
cold as all freezing. But there was some method to
the madness because he's right. You get out there, like
your lungs react differently if you have not been breathing
that air. I'm telling you, it'll hit you and you'd
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be like.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You see dudes come up from down south. You see
guys come up from down south.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
They've never experienced it before, man, and it's like, oh
and they get hit hard for oh, like it hits different.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Coaches were excited by the way they're excited about going
outside in that weather because like, oh man, we.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Never get many opportunities to practice in this Let's go,
let's go. You're like, okay, I guess. I guess this
is what we're practicing today.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So I'm growing up.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You see it on the movies and you see snow games,
and I remember thinking to myself, like, man, I love
cold weather, like I'd love to live in cold weather.
And I remember my buddy and I were in Chicago.
This is probably like way, yes, we're walking through downtown.
I remember where we were in downtown walking and Win
cut through the buildings and hit us. It was like
twenty degrees and it wasn't snowing, but it was just
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it was.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Cold out the hawk. It'd be hollering at you, screech
at you too, literally took my breath away. I looked
a him and said, what was this? When I hawk
hit you, it goes straight through you like that's Chicago.
Cold is to the bone, Like that's that's Chicago. Cold
will hit you in your bu it's off the lake.
(31:17):
And I remember we played them boys, you man, those
son of a guns had luke warm to cool showers
like it was. It was that was torture. Man, had
had to be intentional. When we got out of that game,
it was like the last game of the year. It's
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like the game's over. We lost, Like I was looking
forward to this hot shower so I could get myself warm,
get comfortable on this plane ride home. We're losers, and
the and the showers were lukewarm, and you couldn't you
were already in it. So you're like waiting and waiting
and wait because sometimes you know, you just got to
(31:59):
let it for about five, ten, fifteen minutes, Like you
ain't got that much time that thing. Man, that that
cold there, and then to get out of a cold
shower and then have to go out to get to
like family.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Members are there.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You're like, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to you, but we
only see you when you come play in Chicago, Like
I know what I'll call ya. I was trying to
get to the end of the bus. It changed my
opinion on living in cold weather.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I had so much more respect for people there that
have to live in that craft after just feeling one
gust to win through the buildings.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Chicago air is who that's on a whole nother level. Man, Yeah,
it'll get you, it'll get you. But like I said,
the home field advantage aspect of it all. Man, I
think the weather component definitely plays a major factor in it.
But also having your fans, like the fan base is
like you know, like you mentioned, it's so loud, it's
so difficult to play in certain places. And Casey is
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one of them, the Raven Stadium. It's it's pretty loud,
and they're they're pretty you know, pretty supportive Philly, They're
pretty supportive. So, I mean, when you're looking at places
that we want to get that home field advantage outside
of just the aspects of giving that rest and getting
that bye week for injuries, it would be probably to
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me one of those three. I just don't think Philly's
gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I think they're going to get the one seat you
think so, I do. I think they're losing this weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
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Right now, it's a return of this guy, Petros Papadekas,
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you can hear on the Blowtorch and five seventy LX
sports Fox college football analysts and Petros. You know you
were up celebrating late with your Lakers on their way
to the semis of the in season tournament in the NBA.
Congratulations they win, Yes, oh yeah, they won in the
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last second.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
There's some kind of controversy about possession and a timeout.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, because they were granted a timeout and they didn't
have possession of the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
They beat the Suns.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
So we got to get We gotta get Lebron in
the championship for the good of the NBA. Yeah, I
know that it's good for like the tenth or eleventh
guy on the bench, and the teams might be playing
kind of harder for that, or maybe that's a thing.
And I know the NBA has made it to where
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everybody's got to act like they understand this thing and
is like pumping it up. Like the intro to all
these games, it's like no, no, no, and welcome to
two A, B Section South, Double West. Well, the NBA
in season, Like, I don't understand it. I don't understand
what games are already scheduled and what's the extra game.
(34:55):
I don't get it. Maybe more people do now that
it's started. I don't understand it at all.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, So congrats, I mean this is the most we've
talked about it you know on the show, so well, you.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Led the show with it. Yeah, I'm a college football
at Hell.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
No, it's good. I'm really happy for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah. Can I ask you guys in the Laker fans?
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Can I ask you an important question?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
I believe that is your function on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Do you guys get novacane? Do you get your gums
shut up when you go to get your teeth cleaned?
Or do you go no novacane at all? No novacaane none,
so you want to feel it. I've never heard of
such a practice. You don't numb your gums to get
your teeth.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Well, I guess there's people that like are so adverse
to the dentists that they just have themselves put completely out.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I had the gas ready, but I didn't do it yesterday.
But my mouth is really sore from getting injections in
my gums to clean do a deep, deep cleaning of
my teeth.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Are you saying that when the rest of us go
get our teeth, we're not cleaning them deep enough because
we don't get our gum shot up? No? No, I
was asking do you just maybe we could just do
a cocaine gummer and call it.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Even Yeah, I never tried it. I mean may I mean,
this is your moment, little horseshoe, little horsehot. So you
guys are okay with the drills and all that stuff
and the scraping and the scratchy.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Wait, drilling, yes is yes, drilling is something you would
want to number your teeth for a teeth cleaning.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
A normal drill. It's more like that vibrator thing that
is like a drill.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I've never heard of anybody being numbed.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
For so I think that that means that you probably
have a sensitivity issue to old So that's probably why
they numb you because they've got to get in there
and spray it out.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And yeah, sometimes the water can be a little cold.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
That was my important question of like a big, tough, angry,
legendary linebacker, you know, worried about his teeth.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Well, my my mouth is very sensitive.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
No, I got you.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
I mean whenever I go in there as a mouth breather,
whenever I go in there, they really got to go
to work, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Okay, I'm a mouth breather too, you know, absolutely all right,
that was my that was my one important question copy that.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
So the NBA tournament in season and the dental practice
anesthetic and we are off and running. What is that?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's what we do, Petros, what we do.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I want to talk about now that Big Grand Canyon
University upset.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Over the.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Loops. Let's go loop, let's go talk.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
About I was going to ask you for your reaction
on the college football playoffs. So many people are outraged, Petros.
They can't live with themselves. They're not going to watch
another game of college football. Yes, because of this final four.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Well, one thing about college football, whether it was the
AP poll years and years ago that would come out,
whether it's ranking before the bowl and all the other
stuff that's gone on. I mean, we've got one hundred
something teams, so the conversation about who's number one and
what's right and what's wrong has always just kind of
(38:12):
been part of it, right, Like the outrage, the anger,
the we got screwed, the Central Florida declaring themselves champions
of the world or whatever. Remember, like all of those
things are part of the pantheon and the narrative of
college football. They make people talk about college football, the BCS,
you know, all these things that we've done over the years.
(38:36):
This I mean, I feel like we've avoided this for
years and years with this stupid fourteen playoff. It's never
been never been workable to have five power conferences and
four spots. It's just it's always been stupid. It's been
created by a TV company, a committee created by a
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TV company, a TV company in ESPN that owns a
big part and has a huge interest in the SEC,
and it's set up for the SEC to have success.
That's always been the case. So it's not a surprise
that the SEC. If somebody's going to get screwed, it's
not going to be them. That's one part about this.
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The other part about this that I was kind of
saying earlier, we've avoided this for years and years because
the PAC twelve has been so bad, right, the PAC
twelve has been dismissible and they cannibalize themselves in November,
and you can always shrug your shoulders and say, well
it doesn't matter. Well, this year it does. The PAC
twelve is going to send a representative and you knew
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it and you felt it at the end, and then
somebody else had to get screwed. I understand why Florida
State is really upset when you put humans in that
want to make TV matchups for TV for a TV event,
in a TV business, this is the decision they're going
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to come to because of the circumstances. It's not surprising.
Is it fair?
Speaker 5 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
No.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
At some point did the games have to matter? Yes,
this was kind of this is a travesty. But I
also understand you know who's involved and why, and you
know why these things happen.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
And that's a lot of the same sentiment that I
said earlier and we've kind of talked about. And that's
why it's kind of just like, all right, it's Florida
State's fan base who's upset this year or whoever has.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
A bone to pick with Alabama. Right.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
One of the things that I do hear people say
is what the well the games have to matter?
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Well, the games do matter. Unfortunately for Florida.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
State, the ten games prior to Jordan Travis getting hurt
didn't matter as much because there was a new reality
for them the.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Last three games.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
In the last three games they played, I think it's
justifiable or reasonable to say, hey, we all watched it
didn't look very good.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah, and you look like the same team, right.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
I guess, I guess, But I mean when we talk
about the sport, we're talking about trying to overcome adversity,
like that is the key to the whole sport. And
you understand players and coaches and dynamics of programs and
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what it's like to be on a team when somebody
gets hurt. So that's a pretty tough argument to make,
you know what I mean. I mean, I get it,
I understand that, but what's the nature of the sport
that we cover? And look, I understand this situation more
than anything. There's a reason that Colorado was just as
bad as they normally are basically, but Deon Sanders is
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the athlete or the year, Yeah, sports person of the
Year from Sports Now. I don't think Sports Illustrated did
that to distract from the controversy about having AI reporters
with fake names do stories and not have to pay
real people. I don't repeat that again.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
You don't think that's why they made I don't think. No, Okay,
it was a diversion tactic, no.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
No, But it certainly helped in the moment, didn't it.
The point is, like, why do we celebrate Dion when
Colorado had the same conference record that they had last
year and everybody got fired. Well, the answer is easy.
It's a TV business and they generated TV attention at
television ratings. Coach pram So, I mean, thank god this
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is the last year of the fourteen playoff because not
that it really matters because now the PAC twelve's going away.
But this was never you know, we could make arguments
about this guy got hurt, but hey, look who they
played in the non conference. They beat LSU. Look at
the SEC's non conference victories. They got nothing. You know,
all of those things. Tough game against Middle Tennessee State
(42:50):
for Alabama, you know all of that. But I do
get it. Like one of the things that kind of
told me how maybe they did the right thing was
Michigan's reaction when they fold they were playing Alabama, right,
you know, oh and then like oh okay, we should
be upset. We shouldn't be upset. Okay, all right, let's go.
You know, it was it was interesting. I mean, it's
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something that we could talk about for years and years,
and people in Tallahassee are pissed.
Speaker 7 (43:15):
I'll be honest, I think we're gonna forget about this
once the games get played, especially if they're good games.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
It depends on what happens with them and Georgia and
all that, and if they Champwigonship like UCF.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
If Georgia beats their their ears off, does it? I mean,
there's gonna be so many guys sitting out of the game.
I'm not sure it's gonna matter one way or another,
will it?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
I don't know. I don't know. I mean it is
this week's conversation. You're right about that, but it is
kind of an f you and a goodbye to how
dysfunctional this college football system.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Was Petro speaking of an FU. How about Deanton Lynn
going from UCLA to USC brand new defensive coordinator there
for the Trojans, big get for USC?
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Does that make it r the Trojan horse to get him?
What happened there?
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Well yeah, I'm sure they double his salary at least,
And that's good, right, And I'm happy for him. He's
an up and coming, good young coach. I love that
he does not have any kind of background with like
Mike Leach or Dana Holgerson or the Stoopses or anybody
involved with Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley. Like he's not from
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that tree of people who worship Art Briles as a
high school coach. You know what I'm saying. Anthony Lynn son,
he's Anthony Lynn's son, and he comes from an NFL
background if you look at his resume mostly and his
dad's an NFL guy and a great guy. Anthony Lynn,
the fabulous guy. And we used to love talking to
him when he was a coach of the Chargers Deanton.
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I think it's more important for him to come into
a program that's going to change its philosophy a little
bit and be a more complete football team. And that
is what Lincoln Riley has vowed to do. He's kind
of set up all the right things. It looks like
the athletic director Jen Cohen has truly gotten to him.
And the failure of this year and the disappointment this year,
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which could have been probably the most disappointed USC football
season of all time, I think is sobered up Lincoln Riley. Now,
can he coach a team in all three phases and
thrive that way and recruit and develop defensive and offensive
line and all that stuff. Well, they're saying all the
right things now, I mean, and he said that they
(45:30):
need to get bigger defensively and things like that. So
so hopefully they're headed in the right direction. It's a
much better higher than somebody I thought that would be
connected with the air raid or the Midwest or you
know what we would expect, you know, another higher, Yeah,
another higher like Alex Grinch. You really don't you really
(45:52):
don't know. You have some fun with a guy like.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Super quick for you know, let you up out of here.
I went to the PAC twelve championship game.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
I was, oh, yeah, it was exciting, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
I got to I was impressed by the way Washington
played in that game. I mean, I mean, they play
very well. What chances do you give them in the playoff?
Speaker 6 (46:21):
Well, they got text. I mean, look, if Auburn loses
to New Mexico State, right literally, the Aggies went into
Jorden Hare and beat them, and then Alabama needs a
miracle the next week to beat Auburn. I don't really
think of Alabama as this insurmountable comet juggernaut to get
through Georgia. Maybe would have felt a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, that's the juggernaut, that's right, not in the dance.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
Now, Washington has had some problems defensively, but they've become
a little bit better and they've become more timely defensively
as the season has gone on. I mean, they needed
it to beat Arizona State, not a good offensive team,
but they got it. You know, they've run the ball,
They've created a run game after Panics got a little
beat up. Dylan Johnson after Oregon. Yeah, Dylan Johnson, and
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he's doing a great job.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
And hey, can we talk about the last time you
and I got a chance to watch together the patrow
of playing in the college football playoffs?
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Yeah, Washington, Utah. It was like those six to three games.
Speaker 7 (47:23):
No, when they were in when it was Ohio State
versus Oregon back in twenty fourteen, you and I got
the chance to watch together.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
Oh oh yes, and oh yeah, wait, I remember the
one where Jamis Winston had the ball the fumble, the
ball slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 5 (47:40):
Yeah, that was the semi five.
Speaker 6 (47:42):
Florida State Oregon. So he watched. Do you remember twelve
just made the college Football Playoff twice? Washington made it
once and Oregon made it once and we watched in
Ohio State fourteen.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Yeah, and do you do you remember Washington together though?
What happened in that game?
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Yeah, Washington couldn't get any push they played.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
Okay, Oregon organ versus Ohio State. Oh wait that one?
Speaker 3 (48:02):
No, no, I know, okay, yeah, you guys are banged up.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
No. No.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
We were together in the green room at Fox and
went on a ti rate at one point because Oregon
couldn't They couldn't stop Zeek Elliott Like you just saw
Cee Kelly and running with a little back tailgate flap
and every time oh.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
His back flap.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, I did. Just because they're never gonna think we're tough.
They're never gonna think we're physical. This is it. This
is the end of the Pack twelve. It was so mad.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
It is the end of the Pac twelve.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
It really is the end.
Speaker 6 (48:35):
I think Washington's offensive line could get a better push
than they than they did the last time around.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
So is the physicality of the West Coast? Is it
up for display versus Texas and the semi fo. Yeah,
Washington's gonna be fine. They're not gonna be physically dominated
in the game. They might be if they are, though,
are you gay?
Speaker 6 (48:54):
Will I will call you and leave a five minute
message on your magines and I will mention backflaps. You
were so upset that we had a fat uh lineman
at sc when I was playing, named Jason Grain a
great guy, and he was he was he looked like
Barney the Dinosaur in many ways and uh he he
(49:16):
really did just the shape of his lower body and
and uh he had a backflap, you know, and we'd
score a touchdown and he tried to get like he'd
really effort to like in the celebration, to get his
back flap in the celebration on the camera, you know,
and to be like, you see my back flap when
you scored? Sexy look And I was like, looky, it's great.
(49:39):
It's your back flap. Isn't great? Is real? It's a
fashion choice?
Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Get him on Twitter at the old p Petros Papadegus,
the co host of the Petros and Money Show on.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Some else pretty today, all right, p up.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Till five in the morning on like a cocaine binge
with a guy. And he looks at you and says,
I want to do a gummer.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Never done cocaine. You don't even know neither man, You
don't even catch up. We got to try it, you.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Know, I really know I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
We gotta do a gummer pet.
Speaker 6 (50:18):
You don't know what it's like. It is
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