December 7, 2023 • 47 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Robert Saleh backs the return of Zach Wilson to the starting spot. The guys are excited for the weather report on TNF between the Pats and Steelers. Seahawks’ Jamal Adams doubles down on social media spat with the media. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks about the Jets QB situation, the MVP race and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of two pros and a couple
Joe with Lamar Airings, Rady Win and Jonas Knox on
Box Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Now, normally we would start off with because it's kind
of you know, pick a card, any card, and you're
dealing with a deck of diaper fires, and so what.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Do we want to go with?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Do we want to start with Thursday Night football and
the point total that is historically low?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, it's been thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Since we've seen a total in the NFL at thirty points,
and that's where we're at with the Patriots and Steelers.
Or we could talk about the other diaper fire that
happens to belong to the AFC East, and that is
the New York Jets and their quarterback decision. Good Christ,
what a mess man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
You go ahead and pick already Thursday Football.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I'm kind of moving past the whole Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets and all that, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean, not a big fan of the Robert Sala
commentary yesterday announcing his decision. As steadfast as he was
he was going to be, he seemed like a beaten man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
He really should he should.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, he has kind of waffled back and forth
in between who's going to be the starter, who's not
going to be the starter? Can can we just just
for ss and giggles? Can we just play the Robert
Sala talking about the decision of who's going to be
the quarterback and why it's Zach Wilson now and why
(01:35):
they had to move on from Tim Boyle because it
just sounds just. I just want to mention this because
it is similar. It is eerily simple.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Loves it. Give it to Jonas Hill what you did?
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So here damn all right?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So here it is Robert Sala going back on his
word from just a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Ago that gives us our best chance to win and uh,
giving another opportunity to go prove that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
How did that conversation go?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
When you hold him, he's good. He's fired up. Like
I said on Monday, he came into my office. He
wants to boys the ball, uh, and he's excited about
in this opportunity to finish the season strong. It's always
believed he's the best best quarterback in terms of giving
us a chance to win. You know, Tim and and
Trevor trying to spark the offense and all that, and
(02:26):
uh and those who are very talented quarterbacks. Don't get
me wrong, but uh but in my opinion, uh, Zach
gives us the best chance to him. Tim's awesome. Yeah,
you know, we all loved him, but this is more
just uh, trying to get another arm in here, ritt
and just see what he is.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's pretty unique though, you go, I mean he was
a starter for two games that just boom cut.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
No, I know's it's that's a good question, but you know,
it's unfortunate the way when it's come about. I got it,
and it's uh, that's part of the part of the
crappy part of the league. He got his opportunity. We
appreciate him, and uh, we're not saying that he won't
come back in terms of practice.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Squad and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So there's the the very latest.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
So basically what he's saying is I'll say the same
exact things about Zach Wilson next week and bring Tim
Boyle back and say that the same exact things about
Tim Boyle that I'm saying about Zach Wilson right now.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Is that is that where we're heading.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If he always felt like Zach Wilson gave them the
best chance to win.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Why did you go away from it?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't That's That's why I asked.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The question, like I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Who's calling the shots? Like, who's making the decision? Is
this Joe Douglas?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is this him? Is it Woody Johnson? Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
None of it at like none of it makes sense?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You guys do yesterday? I feel like this is groudhog Day?
Are you really we had the same conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, That's why I said, like what that? It gets
back to that original question calling the shots.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
I'll say this, the last time we had this conversation,
you do know that the guy ended up getting fired.
You guys do realize that the time we had this
conversation about directly who is calling the shots, because it
doesn't sound like the court of the coach is really
necessarily calling the shots here, he ended up being fired.
(04:12):
And that's your coach in Carolina. So is this the
same situation that's kind of emerging?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I mean, I don't think they'll move on from Robert
Sala understanding the situation that he was in this year
with Rogers going down what four places in the season.
I just I think they'll give him so next year,
but like next year without a doubt as a make
or break year, like that is it, I would think
at least I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Look. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think they're gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I just I can't imagine they're going to make a big, wholesale,
sweeping change because this comes off to me like it's
not Robert Salam making some of these decisions, but he's
the one that has to go to the podium and
speak and be accountable for that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
You know. That's how it comes off and feels to
me watching it. And they've got a ton of leaks
in there, They've got a ton of stuff going on.
I just it feels like he's putt in a tough.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Spot and you can see it on him every time, like, yeah,
he told me Monday he wants the ball, like okay, yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It sounds like something from a movie, like a coach
I went back and I want the ball, Okay, good
says that. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let me ask you, this is this worse than when
Charlie Frye was the starter of your rookie year, got
benched at halftime and then was cut after being named
team captain before the opener, Like, which is worse.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Uh, this is worse because it's Druggne for a long
period of time. Like what was bad about that was
all the reps, all the time, everything else that you
invested into a player that after one half of football
you completely turned course and then traded him like.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was that was bad.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
But this is still the same situation where you've got
a ton of time money invested into a player and
then you keep like putting him in, put him back out,
putting it in like you're almost you're like almost hurting
and stunting that growth of that player by how you're
handling it. Like at least they allowed Charlie an opportunity
to move on like early in the season somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
That's the key.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
That's the key if they would did what Brady just
said Jonas and just let let him go like Deltam
or whatever it is they needed to do. Robert Salah,
even in Aaron Rodgers' injury, could have been able to
really really manage this in a way where we lost
Aaron Rodgers like we're going to do the best that
(06:40):
we can do and that's that's all we have. Instead
he has to deal with the continued saga and soap
opera of Zach Wilson in the Days of our Lives,
like that's what's going on here, and that is purely
based around Zach Wilson, and whatever the infatuation is of
(07:00):
the coverage of Zach Wilson, and Robert Sala has failed
miserably on how he's handled it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it also feels like they're listening to people on
the outside way too much, because if you looked at
the quarterback situation in New York, it's been obvious and
we've talked about it. Zach Wilson has been the best
quarterback and has given them the best chance to win.
Yet for some reason, they let outside voices tell them, no,
(07:27):
you got to get somebody else in there. No, he
can't do it. There's got to be somebody else in there.
And it's like multiple years in a row, somebody else
has gone in there, and with the exception of Mike White,
who really had what one decent game it it hasn't
worked out. And for some reason, they just listen to
everybody else's opinion on the outside and then go back
to what if we're to believe what he says, which
(07:48):
is tough at this point. But if we're to believe
what he says that we've always felt Zach gave us
the best chance to win, why'd.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You move on?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He has played better than last year, like despite what
anybody wants to say. And yet here we are again
and they're cutting another quarterback who just started a game.
What is it because he had the fail Mary, the
pick six on the fail Mary on Black Friday. Come on,
the game was already.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That play just completely backfun.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I mean, what that's not Tim Boyle's fault.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Though, I know, but there's one of those plays You're like, man,
all right, God, I'm hoping to pray that this thing,
this thing gets into the ends.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Gods up there like it will what you drop back
to lots of that thing? Oh oh wait, what happened?
Oh no, oh.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
No, it's just the whole building's terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I just it really feels like everything they're hearing
from the outside matters to them, Like, oh well, you know,
people are telling us we got to move on from okay,
and you saw the results, Like you saw what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
We're doing the same exact conversation yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, well listen, all right, let's let's transition over to
another team. Yeah, and we're talking a lot of Super
Bowls between these two teams.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Who's more likely to be back? Bill Belichick or.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Robert Salaw roberta which is which is shocking?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think they're both going.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
To be out.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Thirty is the over under for this game between the
Steelers and the New England Patriots. You talk about too
proud franchises.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What's the weather supposed to be like too in Pittsburgh? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Good call, let's look that up.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
It's not supposed to be good. I don't think let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
To effort this here. Is it still Acupuncture Stadium?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I mean, don't you have well, I don't think you
have to put in that exact address. I think Pittsburgh
still works. Don't you have the weather channel of Jonas
like always?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, but they're they're showing some stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
The mountain mountains are probably blocking.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, there's snow on the mountains. Yeah, there's uh, Stephanie Abrams, we.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Uh gun up, gun up? What you got the weather there?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I like so some people would just go Pittsburgh
in general, I'm gonna go zip code specific on just
the state. Yeah, well, because like in Chicago, if you
want the weather at Soldier Field, it's six oh six
oh five. If you wanted it at Wrigley Field, it's
six oh six one three.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Big difference, huge difference there.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Micro climates, they call it Jonas.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
All right, So here we go Pittsburgh. Is that what
they call it?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yes, that's what they call it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Varies from place to place, all right, So here we go.
We are looking at Uh, I'm still efforting. I told
you we got Wi Fi problems here.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's not I think it's usual.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now I'm telling you we got Wi Fi issues here,
all right, so give me one second.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
All right, here's what Pittsburgh looks like for tonight, thank you. Yeah,
that's about to.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Do high of forty six, low low of thirty six,
and the win the most important. Looks like it shouldn't
be too bad, about six miles per hour, So should
be a good good fall night, winter night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
What we're gonna call it right now for some football.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, that was Was that zip code specific or was
that just a general Pittsburgh overview?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
It was general Pittsburgh because you know, we're up against
the break and you somehow have not.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Been able to deliver.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
All right, So here we go.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
This is there's no rain.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, this is what I'm looking at here, all right,
and you tell me if this differs. Okay, I'm looking
at eight o'clock Eastern time tonight, forty two degrees, partly cloudy,
half a moon wins southwest at six miles an hour.
But it does feel like thirty eight degrees according to
(11:53):
the zip code specific search.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That's actually perfect football weather. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like you love that, and so you feel like that's
going to impact. Maybe we get a shootout here.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
To be quality fifty two moderate for New England? Is
it gonna be? Back? Jones to me, Bailey Zappy.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I said, Bailey Zapp, you made some comment yesterday. I
think it was.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Where he said, I think you zero low.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
He said, I think it's pretty obvious who the starter is.
But I'll like coach say that or whatever. So Bailey's
at it feels like we're gonna get zapped later on tonight.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Does it feel like like us getting zap gives them
a better chance of winning?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
No? Yeah, I don't feel that way either.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Right ZAPPI versus Trubisky so that's what we're getting later
on today.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
They said the wind chill will make it feel like
it's twenty eight degrees humidity, seventy six percent pressure thirty
point ten i n HG for a low and a
high visibility ten miles. It's perfectly clear. And now you
(12:58):
have your weather report from Pittsburgh for the stillers now
in the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I can guarantee you one thing that is going to
be featured at this game later on tonight, and it's
something that you guys have waxed poetically about when it
comes to games in Pittsburgh at either Heinesfield or Acupuncture Stadium,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
A little bit of this, a little bit of this
you're gonna play.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
From the beginning, though. That's something like the beat really.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Gets But Sam, can we get it from the beginning?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Why not? It's such a it's such a long build up.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You want you want the a cappella coming in? Yeah,
he kicks in.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, that's all right. Sam's never been there.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, Pittsburgh, It's it's Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I'm in the game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I actually saw Iowa playing pitt at Hinesfield at the time.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Exact same thing. Sticks reda game in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yep, that was not an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But okay, Sam, I would argue the intro is better
than the actual course.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Hey, by the way, this is a classic. Sam.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He's been there in the stadium, so of course he
takes full responsibility of saying I've been there, I've witnessed
this this before, even though he actually has not ever
seen in a Pittsburgh Steelers home stadium game.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Sticks Rene game going in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Sam, can we play from the beginning? Please?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It's been too long of a build up, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Oh how long are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Was it like?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's like it's like a minute.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Maybe this is bad radio, but you have to play
the You have to turn.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
The base up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
This is so much better than the actual course, coop,
Am I crazy, so much betterstand.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
This is when they get the terrible towel started. Oh yeah,
they have the jumbo tron stuff going on. Come on, Yeah,
you can understand see sample's there for an Iowa pit game,
but you've got to.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Be there for a Steelers dude. Yeah, it's entirely different.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
The pit marching band ad a crop circle to Maca.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
By the way, late lay the points with the Steelers. Yeah,
here it is. Yeah, come on, this is when they
just punched Sam right in the face.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Risky back to throw. He's got pickings ters up.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Dead as a scarred Chicago fan.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Jonas, are you not anticipating this peak anywhere close?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I would say I do like Trubisky more than most.
I felt like he was sort of the fall guy
for Matt Naggi and that whole disaster that balls out.
I too, because listen, Mentor Ohio guy, you know, that's
that's how we feel about it. But he's uh, he's
made a lot of appearances for Kenny.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Mix up Trubisky being from Mentor and then Drew Aller
being from Medina.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Tooth Ohio guys. Though, yeah both mister Ohio's was not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, well, listen, it's going to be a both representing
it is two pros and up with Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. We got a lot done there that segment.
There's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox at the all right, so.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
There's the conversation of Robert slog. We heard some are
coming back, some say he's coming back, Yes, some are
saying he's going.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, you're already calling your shot. You thinks all
this gone?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I think it's a strong possibility, damn.
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Speaker 2 (17:06):
So we opened up the show talking about the dysfunction
in New York with the Jets in their quarterback situation,
and we start our three of the program talking about
a former New York Jet and that being Jamal Adams
of the Seattle Seahawks, three time pro bowler, and apparently
somebody who likes to get after it a little bit
on social media and on Twitter. So this is the
(17:28):
way this story went. Connor Hughes of s n Y
He's an NFL reporter. He commented on a video of
Jamal Adams getting beat on a play while with Seattle,
and he wrote, yikes.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So Jamal Adams.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Found a picture of Connor Hughes's wife and posted that
on social media and wrote yikes.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh no, Well, of course that got a ton of blowbocks.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
One of the uh one of a guy who works
with Connor Hughes in New York, Brian Costello.
Speaker 10 (18:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He wrote, I've covered a lot of players through the years,
never met anybody who's more of a phony than Jamal Adams.
I always thought he was a bad guy. Today he
proved he is even worse than I thought. Jamal Adams
wrote back, ah, and here comes mister potato head, mister
Hughes's right hand man. Truth be told, I do not care.
I do not like you, never liked you. You're terrible
(18:31):
at your job. You do not know me outside of
the game of football. So keep that bleat pushing hashtag
pres well. Pete Carroll was asked about the interactions between
Jamal Adams.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And members of the media, and this is what he
had to say.
Speaker 11 (18:45):
Yeah, we've already addressed it with him, and you know,
I don't know if it was a great decision at
the time. I'm not sure about the details of it,
but I know that he realized that, you know, he
needed to take it down what he put up, and
so we don't want to do we don't want to
be part of that.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Unfortunately, Jamal Adams decided to double down yesterday when talking
to reporters when he said, quote, when others go low,
I go lower. You can sit there and have regret,
but I don't live that way. In my life. It's
always the athlete that cross the line when he responds.
But at the end of the day, disrespect his disrespect
however you want to take it. So I responded, I
knew when I did hit that tweet, I wasn't in
(19:23):
it to win it. At the end of the day,
it was to get him to understand quote, leave me
the hell alone. So that from Jamal Adams, and it's
a cute little back and forth with members of the media, so.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
He didn't take down mister potato hit though.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, that's still there man.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Seems like it's a fairly simple situation, but it's not
because you can really see all the all perspectives of this,
Like in this case, Jamal Adams looks like the bad
guy because of his response, And obviously that was a
necessary and it brought someone into the conversation that doesn't
it's not necessary, right that being said, like, you know,
(20:02):
to look what starts all of it, like Connor Hughes, Right,
is it his job to post stuff on Twitter to
kind of clown a player?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Like? Is that ultimately his job? Does he get.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Paid more for creating great content on his Twitter account
or any other social media page.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
For that matter.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
No, he chose to make that decision in a realm
that really doesn't have anything to do with what he's
ultimately who he's contracted by, what he's paid for.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Now, people can take issue with that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
They could say, well, you know, social media following helps
create more clicks, more viewers, more attention, blah blah blah,
amplify stuff. Right, it still was unnecessary, so you know,
I don't know the backstory between these two.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
If there's personal vendetta.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Adams that they've had a previous history, sure, but I'm
saying who knows the extent right, Like, and we're only
hearing from his side of it.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I'm just saying like nowadays, in social media, like people
feel liberated to kind of say and do what they
want and then not.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Face the consequences of that.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And this goes for both sides of this, Like for
the reporter to do something like that that obviously he
was motivated to because of maybe their their past relationship
or past interactions, but it wasn't necessary he chose to
do that.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So like you're gonna say something to someone like this
is where.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Like the world of and being an athlete in a
stadium where everyone's talking trash to you and saying stuff,
We're like, guess what the fence is down? Now you're
on a level playing field with them where they can
punch back, they can talk back, and you're not gonna
like what happens because like when people talk trash back
and forth, Like one of the things I'd say is
like that locker room is a crazy place, bro, and
(21:47):
the stuff people say to one another is tough. And
that's why people usually say, what's what happens in the
locker room stays in the locker room, because there is
so many like vicious things that are said and that
maybe happen that you don't what makes sense to the
outside world. And the problem is is you're now kind
of inn essence poking the bear or trying to poke
(22:08):
a player who's in a locker room. Who that's what
they know, that's the world they live in, like it's
survival of the fittest. And so you're not gonna like
how a guy comes back. And look, not every professional
athlete it's gonna handle themselves the same way. Some are
gonna be much more professional about it. Some ignore it,
they'll act above it. But in this case, like you
kind of open yourself up to that. And so I'm
(22:30):
not trying to say, like I'm on Jamal Adam's side
in this case, I'm just saying, like social media is
and it's awful for our society.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I know we try to make a big deal about
it for people making money and digital marketing and all
this stuff, it is probably done more harm to people's
reputations and careers with people being fired and stuff that
has been posted and the reasons why corporations have had
to you know.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Reprimand people that actually helped people. That's just my view
on it.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Like I really don't view it, and I'm on it
in part because I've always been warned that you don't
want people to be out there like speaking on your
behalf now with AI and everything else coming out, who
knows what this world looks like the next five to
ten years. But I just think like this is it's
an easy out for people to go, Oh, Jamal Adams
is a bad guy for what he said.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Why the reporter provoking in the first place? Then, like
why did he feel was necessary to do that?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
In both cases, like both guys are wrong, And I
think you could see it that way and just say, yeah,
maybe this is something that like we should just try
to have a team policy on if you're the Seahawks
and say like, unless it's for like a business thing
or something, or you feel provoked I want to post
about your family or something.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like, just stay on social media because it's never going
to benefit you in season. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
And on the flip side, if you're part of the
media and all that. It's like, well, yeah, be careful
like who you try to like say stuff about and
come after because you're not gonna let This isn't a
corporate working environment. It's the NFL. It's national athlete. Like
it's different. Like most people can't handle some of the
stuff that's that's set in the locker room. I'll just
live it at that. I just found it to be
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pure entertainment like.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That, And that's always been your stance on social media.
You like it, you find entertaining, and you like to
engage in that.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
It's pure entertainment because in the end, those people don't
know what you're going through on a daily basis, what
your life is like, and we don't know what they're
going through and what their life is like. Same difference
here with with this reporter and Jamal, they don't they
don't know each other's lives and and so you're shooting
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an insult and the insult is it's it's it's empty calories.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
If you ask me, so, I don't.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I don't find myself getting too deep into it, like
I don't like I'll get like he took a personal
shot like and and it's what I've found is there
are no rules in social media like you would think,
like even in the locker room is malicious as guys
can be with comebacks and with jooning, and and with
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with trash talk. Generally speaking, there are unwritten rules like
leave wives and spouses out of the equations, leave leave
parents out of the equation. Once you go there, then
now it's not it's not for fun. We're not having
s and giggles. It's this is real. And then now
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that means someone in the locker room needs needs to
intervene in what's going on, what's taking place in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
On social media that doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
So there when there are no rules to to how
you engage, then it's interesting because when when someone of
note plays by no rules, people get offended. They can't
handle it, Like how could Jamal Adams do that? Well,
a million other people are doing the same exact thing.
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You should that you right, So now you want to
start like like, for instance, somebody came at me the
other week and said, LaVar only defends James Franklin because
he wants his son to go to Penn State.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That was me by the way, I apologize, and I.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Said, and I say to him, I said, I don't
need to do any selling or ass kissing over my son.
He he does fine all about him. And by the way,
he would knock your ass out.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Now, here's what's funny. I'm talking football When I said
he'd knock your ass out. I'm talking football. So that
the person writes back, oh, that must be Cte. You're
so violent just because I said something about you, You're saying,
now your son is going to punch me out and
beat me up like d like And I left it
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at that like and it was it was like to me,
it was just a like entertainment, like I'm I'm saying
what I'm saying, you're your commenting on the post.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It is what it is.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
So for me, I look at it like if I'm
Pete Carroll, I'm like, that's a grown ass man. What
he does in his spare time is what he does
in his spare time. If anything that he does impacts
what we do here and our facility, then that's when
I'll have a conversation with him. Because social media is
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if you're looking at social media, you can you can
go one or two comments down and there's somebody being
a jerk, like that's the bottom line. It's almost like
the criteria is to go on to this show or
go on to to to the social media spear and
let people know how miserable you are about your life,
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because really that's all it is. When you when you
put your negativity on social media, all you're doing is
that you're unhappy with yourself. So for anybody to allow
that to become more than what it is, then you know,
that's on you. That's your own personal choice. That's how
to me, that's how I look at it. Because social
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media is not going anywhere. You're not going to get
players to not use it because they are going to
use it. People, other people, media, other people, their sources
or whatever, they're going to use social media. Everybody's going
to use social media. So if you decide to put
your own credibility out there on the line and you
want to impact it that way, that's your choice. That's
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your choice. And if that hurts you in the job place,
that's your choice. You know, because some of these people.
The one thing that's different when a pro athlete does
it or when a media person does it, people know
who you are, and they do sit there Jonas and
say you should be better than that, and in reality
they should, they should, and that's a choice that you're making.
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But there is no real to me, there is no
real there is unless you're you're doing something that breaks
the law, or you're saying like I want to kill you,
or you should kill yourself or like whatever. Data if
it doesn't go that far on social media, I could
care less, man, honestly, like you could go, you could go,
people go racist on it, like you know, there's people
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that have have had racial, racially driven undertones and how
they addressed me on social media.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I don't care. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I had a guy send me a message when I
was doing weekend overnights and I don't know what I
said that must have pissed him off, but he went
in on because the picture of my Twitter profile is
me and my mom and you guys know how I
feel about her, and he went off and just called
her every name of the book, and I mean it
was it was bad, and I just wrote it. I
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wrote him back. I was like, you're all right, and
he never I didn't hear from him. And then the
next day I get a message from him and he
was like, I'm so sorry. I was drinking this and
that so fun. And my old thing was like, hey man,
I don't take any of this stuff personal. It's fine,
but if I were you, I would delete that immediately
because you wouldn't want an employer or somebody seeing a
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drunken moment in Twitter and to go ahead and evaluate
you as a person as a whole on that one moment.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And he deleted it and I never heard from the
guy again.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
But there is this thing where once you have that
screenshot or that snapshot of somebody, like, we don't know Jamal.
I don't know Jamal Adams. He could be a good
a good dude. I have no idea. But now the
reputation is, oh, well, he's going to pull up a
picture of your wife and put that on social media.
If you if you snap at him about his play.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Like it is, you're.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Any better whether he pulls up a picture of your wife, armadillo,
cow tortoise, You're not going to get to know who's
Am Adams really is. So whatever it is that you
draw Jamal, so whatever conclusion you draw, you can draw
it. It doesn't matter because it's not going to be accurate anyway.
It just comes down to professional integrity. Do you want
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to be a person of integrity or not? That's ultimately
that's what it comes down to for any of them.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
By the way, when you bring up Sam Adams, are
you guys a cold snap or a winter Fest?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Oh? Cold snap?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
And that's directly correlated with ah, some good memories for
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean Octoberfest.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Cause I'm about to say I like october Fest. I
do that.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
We need, we need to get a round of cold
Snaps with LeVar.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
LeVar, get after it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
That old Ted's Moontanael God, I love that place. It's
so good. We got to get the break, guys, we
got a buy.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
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Speaker 3 (32:03):
Right now, Albert Breer is in.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
He's a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB also lead
content strategist. You can get him on Twitter or x
at Albert Breer. Albert, What's happening.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I think I had my bluetooth under control this week. Guys,
So fingers cross, no promises, the fingers cross.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
How'd the hockey tournament go?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
How'd he go? He was warmed up that time?
Speaker 10 (32:27):
He pretty good? We I did. We won our first
three games. The gold differential was like plus forty five.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And then we lost in the final plus forty five.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Good lessons, good lessons for the kids. It was yeah,
I mean I for one reason or another art the
grouping we got put in, we won, I think it
was sixteen to two, and then like good, like sixteen
to nothing, and yeah it was. And so I think
our kids might have gone into the final with a
little too much confidence. And then the year came out
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of the balloon. I mean, you know, the final was
actually the one game I wasn't at, so you know,
maybe maybe it was missing my presence there.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now, what position does your son play?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
He's a wing?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay, does he throw down at all?
Speaker 10 (33:14):
We dropped the He's pretty physical. He's pretty physical. Actually,
like they they're not checking yet at this level at
the nine year olds don't check. I think it's the bantams.
I'm still learning all this stuff. Because I didn't play hockey,
but I think they don't start checking untill they're twelve
thirteen years old. But I mean he played football in
the fall, so he's probably one of the more physical
kids out there.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Nice, nice, all right, ab We got to ask you
this though, because I mean, it sounds like, you know,
at least he's on a good hockey team, but it
does appear like Aaron Rodgers is on a bad football
team and it's a mess. There's been the Tim Boyle
to the Trevor Simeon back to Zach Wilson demoted to
third string, but now he's the best like it just
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it feels like Robert Sala. I don't know if he's
making it up as he goes along, but who's calling
the shots there? And could this be an indication that
maybe he's on a hot seat that a lot of
people didn't expect when when the move was made to
bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I think as long as Aaron Rodgers is there, the
guys who are there are okay. I think you know
where things could get a little dice here is if
Aaron Rodgers were to announce on New Year's Day for
some reason that said he's done playing football, which I
don't think is going to happen. I do think the
guys there are going to get another shot at this
and then another run at this and running it back
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with the same group of of of of coaches, a
lot of the same players next year. But yeah, I mean,
there's no question this. There's a blood up. There's blood
on a lot of people's hands right now, and you know,
I think it goes back again. And this is a
decision that I thought was a sound one at the
time to keep Zach Wilson as the backup. You know,
I think you know, the way, the way the way
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they looked at it was if we can bring him
back and we can sit him for a couple years
and he can have the chance to reset and watch
and learn beyond Aaron Rodgers, you know, we might get
a different quarterback two years from now and then have
the successor to Aaron Rodgers. The risk in that plan
is that, you know, like is what happened, which is
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Aaron Rodgers gets hurt almost right away and now Zach
Wilson actually has to play. And you know, I think
that that was you know, kind of the decision that
they made and using that second quarterback spot as like
almost a developmental position rather than a real spot on
the roster, which is what they would have done if
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they had brought back, say Mike White or someone like
that that you know, Cooper Rush, somebody who could go
and play in a pinch for you and give you
average quarterback play. So yeah, I mean, I think if
there's anything you question is not not so much like
you know, what the hell were you doing as the
philosophy and making the decision that they made with a
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team that was so ready to win right now.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
So I mean, who's ultimately going to be the one
to blame if this season goes the way we think
it's going to go. You have to look at how
they handled Zach Wilson, which I mean, look, I differ
on you and that I never thought it made sense.
It still doesn't make sense. This season has only proved that,
and it's actually gotten worse.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
Because you're you're not an advocate for sitting guys, right, No.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's it's actually the exact opposite.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
It has nothing to do with what I'm advocating for
what I believe in Either way, I think every every
player's situation is different if you have a quarterback like
Zach Wilson. In my opinion, he needed to probably sit
and watch and learn.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Problem is with the way they handled him last year
and bringing Aaron Rodgers in. It never made sense to
sit there and say we're gonna sit him two years,
he's gonna watch Rogers.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
How does that make sense now?
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Now he's to the point where he needs to go
somewhere else with a fresh start to go play and
be in a different environment. That's not a it's not
a you know, a matter of should he sit or
should he not?
Speaker 10 (37:02):
That's fit thing.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
It just it didn't make sense of the timing of all.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
It would have been in the same place, It shouldn't
have been in the same place.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Sure, But regardless of that, if the season goes the
way it's going, I have a hard time league like
someone's not going to take the fall force, someone doesn't
take the blame for it.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
So like the one guy that you would point to
would be the because the defense has been fine. Right,
So Allbrick is you know, I think you'd be crazy
to fire Jeff Ulbrick after the way the defense has
played for most of the year, Right, and I think
Salah has done a decent job managing this. So then
you point the finger Nathaniel Hackett, but like that's Rogers guy,
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And that's like sort of the tricky thing about it,
you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, so like,
if you're looking at this globally, right, the fall guy
would either be the GM Joe Douglas, who put the
defense together right and who did make that decision at quarterback,
but it's put together a pretty talented roster, or be
Saniel Hackett. And if this is Saniel Hackett, that's Rogers guy.
You know, Like, so do you get rid of Rogers guy? Like,
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on balance, what you're saying, Brady makes all the sense
of the world is somebody probably should take the fall
for this, especially when those guys, that group has been together.
You know, most of those guys have been together for
three years now. But the problem is, like if you
look at the different circumstances with the different people involved,
it's like you're not going to point the finger at
somebody in the defensive side of the ball. The guy
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on the offensive side of the ball is Roger's guy.
And then you know, you look at the front office
and it's like, well, the record is not very good,
but the roster is and so like that's where I
think it gets a little difficult. And that's where I
think it's like you look at it like just for
each individual spot, and you say, man, they probably aren't
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going to run it back next year because all these
individual circumstances kind of point you in that direction.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Abe.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
I want we were just talking about what happened with
Jamal Adams and the reporter on social media. I'm curious,
like would you would you ever have you ever commented
on on anyone's any players post or anything like that,
and have they responded back to Have you ever had
(39:18):
a back and forth like what what's your idea opinion
on how media relations and player relations should play out on.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
Social You know, LaVar actually had one over the summer,
and it was I had done some reporting at the
end of last year on this player on the Patriots,
Jack Jones, who like if you remember, he was suspended
at the end of last year, and I had reported
that it was because he was late to and missed
some reab sessions. And on top of that, like when
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he was confronted about it, like he and Bill Belichick
had a back and forth, like after he was told
that they were going to sit him down, that he'd
talked back to Bill a little bit, and you know,
like that story was reprised and the gun thing happened
over the summer, and so I told the whole story.
I was like, all right, so here's all the different
stuff that's happened with Jack Jones. And so he comes
(40:11):
at me on social media really mad about like the
stuff that I've reported, And of course I stood by
what I was reporting because it was the truth. But
I didn't feel like it would be good for anybody
if I handled that in public, So I didn't go
back and forth in public. And generally, I think, you know,
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one thing I've learned about social media is these things
are better handled, you know, in the background. And if
I have to take the hit as a reporter, well
that's sort of part of what I signed up for,
you know, Like do I want to defend myself, Yes,
I want to defend myself. I want to defend my integrity,
my reporting, all the rest of it. But you know, generally,
I found that those things don't lead to great places
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and you're better off, you know, I think for the
good of everybody handling those situations offline, and everybody has
different of handling it. But you know, I think in general,
like if a player or a coach or someone wants
to take things into the public forum, I'm at least
going to try to handle it privately out of respect
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for that person before I let anything get any more public.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter and lead content strategist at the MMQB. You
can get them on Twitter if you have any issues
with what he just had to say. At Albert Breer
is where you can find him. AB who's your MVP
right now? Because we were talking Tyreek Hill earlier in
the week, and it feels like if there was gonna
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be a year that a non quarterback one, this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
May be it.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
Yeah, And I think like both Tyreek and A. J.
Brown probably have cases. You know. I all right, So
I want you guys to answer this question. And this
is pretty simple. I had I did a poll, an
MVP poll, an awards poll midseason. I think I pulled
something like forty or fifty executives with team and one
of them voted for Tyreek for MVP, and he said
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to me, He's like, here's my logic. He's like, would
you rather face the Dolphins without Tyreek or without Tua?
How would you guys.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Answer that without Tyreek? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'd say I'd say without Tua, because do we know
that someone can get Tyreek the football?
Speaker 4 (42:22):
I mean, you could try.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
To convince me, Albert, I'm just I'm giving you my opinion, like,
you can have a dynamic wide receiver, but if.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You don't have a backup, they can get him the football.
It really doesn't matter.
Speaker 10 (42:36):
But Brady like even that, it's a question, with.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
All things given, I'm more afraid of Tyreek, Like, I
actually think you could make a better case for that
for for Christian McCaffrey or.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Running back, because you don't have to have a quarterback
that's that effective throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
He just has to be to hand it off. So
I would actually make that argument.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I think that's mccaffery's case too, So so yes, the
answer I think is that those guys, I think that
there are three players, and I should have mentioned McCaffrey.
The knock on McCaffrey would be the other guys around him.
You know like that they also have Deebo, and they
also have by Yuk, and they also have Kittle, and
like they're really good across the board anyway, Like, yeah,
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that's true. And so I think there's a I think
there's a legitimate case for these guys, for three non quarterbacks,
the three guys we just talked about if we are
talking about the quarterbacks. The two guys I think that
I would at least make a case for right now
would be Dak Prescott in Dallas. So I think he's
playing his best football and I don't think the skill
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talent around him outside of Ceedee Lamba is that great.
And I think he's playing out of his mind good
and he's a big reason why they've got a chance
to challenge the Eagles to win the NFC East. And
then the other one would be Lamar Jackson, who you know,
for some reason outside the league, he is not getting
I think the credit he deserves, the credit that he got,
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the attention that he got back in twenty nineteen. But
when I ran that poll in mid season, of all
these executives, he was the overwhelming winner of the MVP Award.
And you know, most of the guys came back to
me and said, he's so much more of a threat
with his arm now with Todd Monkin as his offensive coordinator,
and you know, and and you see the Ravens you
look at him. I think they've got the two best
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wins of the season too, with the ways that they
with the way they were able to dominate Detroit and Seattle. Like,
I think that those two games are as well as
any team's played all year long, and a big part
of it is because of what Lamar's doing out there
for them. So I would say, you know, those five
would be in my group would be Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott,
Christian McCaffrey, AJ Brown, and Tyreek Hill and Gun to
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my head, I think right now i'd probably tick Dak,
But I think I'm and Lamar ah Man. I like that.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
You know why you said to Ohio State hater Albert Jesus,
I know, I know, I know I'm an objective.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
I'm a objective.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
You guys know that I'm objectively saying you should be
up above your guys, your picks.
Speaker 10 (45:10):
Do you think he should be above Daka Lamar?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yeah, I mean I'll put it this way. He's been
he's been he's been throwing to Tank. Dell's a rookie
and he's the elevated level of everyone else at a round him.
He leads the league in yards. I mean, could you
make the case that any one players elevated their team.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
More than c J. Stroud?
Speaker 10 (45:28):
Are we that that brings up an interesting discussion them Brady?
Are we biased against rookies?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Right? Yes? Probably? Yeah, I made that discussion point.
Speaker 10 (45:37):
Yes, I'm saying, but I'm saying if you take that,
if you take it is like the fact that he's
a rookie out of it, right the way does that sound.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
You can.
Speaker 10 (45:53):
If you take the fact that he's a rookie out
of it, yes, and you you explain the who the
the skill players are Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Dalton Schultz. Right,
they've got good back in Pierce. The lines didn't really
they got good players in the line, but they've been
really banged up up front over the course of the year. Yeah,
(46:14):
you could definitely make a case. Now I'd still I'd
still say dak or Lamar over him. But I mean,
if they make the playoffs, like I certainly think there's
a case to be made for CJ Stroud and obviously
he's the runaway offensive rookie of the.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Year, wasn't they wined the division because that now looks
like it's in their sites.
Speaker 10 (46:32):
It didn't play, Yeah, I mean, especially with Trevor Lawrence
banged up. So you know, I think all of that
is all that's on the table for CJ if they
win the division, if they're able to beat out the
jag and that division is better than we and than
anybody thought it would be. Right the Colts, I mean,
the Colts are right there too with Gardner Minshew and
they're Anthony Richardson out. You know, I think Shane Stiken's
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got a great case for Coach of the Year. But yeah,
I mean if the if the Texans are able to
win that division, I mean, Dimiko could be coach of
the Year and CJ is automatic, I mean already automatic
offensive Rookie of the Year, but maybe an MVP.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Candidate to get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He's
a senior NFL reporter at the m m QB also
lead content strategist there as well too, Albert.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
We appreciate it, man, We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Thanks big al They give.
Speaker 10 (47:19):
You guys another drop there too, like whatever.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
That It was good. That was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Nothing. A little freestyle never hurt anybody.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I'm certain Sam caught it though. There you go.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Okay, that's the best. That's still a goat.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Oh okay, all right, we'll try.
Speaker 10 (47:41):
To raise the barn next week. How about that guy.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
We'll do it.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
We'll make it.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Thank you for your family.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Now, normally we would start off with because it's kind
of you know, pick a card, any card, and you're
dealing with a deck of diaper fires, and so what.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Do we want to go with?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Do we want to start with Thursday Night football and
the point total that is historically low?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, it's been thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Since we've seen a total in the NFL at thirty points,
and that's where we're at with the Patriots and Steelers.
Or we could talk about the other diaper fire that
happens to belong to the AFC East, and that is
the New York Jets and their quarterback decision. Good Christ,
what a mess man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
You go ahead and pick already Thursday Football.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I'm kind of moving past the whole Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets and all that, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I mean, not a big fan of the Robert Sala
commentary yesterday announcing his decision. As steadfast as he was
he was going to be, he seemed like a beaten man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
He really should he should.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, he has kind of waffled back and forth
in between who's going to be the starter, who's not
going to be the starter? Can can we just just
for ss and giggles? Can we just play the Robert
Sala talking about the decision of who's going to be
the quarterback and why it's Zach Wilson now and why
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they had to move on from Tim Boyle because it
just sounds just. I just want to mention this because
it is similar. It is eerily simple.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Loves it. Give it to Jonas Hill what you did?
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So here damn all right?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So here it is Robert Sala going back on his
word from just a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Ago that gives us our best chance to win and uh,
giving another opportunity to go prove that.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
How did that conversation go?
Speaker 6 (02:04):
When you hold him, he's good. He's fired up. Like
I said on Monday, he came into my office. He
wants to boys the ball, uh, and he's excited about
in this opportunity to finish the season strong. It's always
believed he's the best best quarterback in terms of giving
us a chance to win. You know, Tim and and
Trevor trying to spark the offense and all that, and
(02:26):
uh and those who are very talented quarterbacks. Don't get
me wrong, but uh but in my opinion, uh, Zach
gives us the best chance to him. Tim's awesome. Yeah,
you know, we all loved him, but this is more
just uh, trying to get another arm in here, ritt
and just see what he is.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's pretty unique though, you go, I mean he was
a starter for two games that just boom cut.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
No, I know's it's that's a good question, but you know,
it's unfortunate the way when it's come about. I got it,
and it's uh, that's part of the part of the
crappy part of the league. He got his opportunity. We
appreciate him, and uh, we're not saying that he won't
come back in terms of practice.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Squad and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So there's the the very latest.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
So basically what he's saying is I'll say the same
exact things about Zach Wilson next week and bring Tim
Boyle back and say that the same exact things about
Tim Boyle that I'm saying about Zach Wilson right now.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Is that is that where we're heading.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
If he always felt like Zach Wilson gave them the
best chance to win.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Why did you go away from it?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't That's That's why I asked.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
The question, like I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Who's calling the shots? Like, who's making the decision? Is
this Joe Douglas?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is this him? Is it Woody Johnson? Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
None of it at like none of it makes sense?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You guys do yesterday? I feel like this is groudhog Day?
Are you really we had the same conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, That's why I said, like what that? It gets
back to that original question calling the shots.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
I'll say this, the last time we had this conversation,
you do know that the guy ended up getting fired.
You guys do realize that the time we had this
conversation about directly who is calling the shots, because it
doesn't sound like the court of the coach is really
necessarily calling the shots here, he ended up being fired.
(04:12):
And that's your coach in Carolina. So is this the
same situation that's kind of emerging?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I mean, I don't think they'll move on from Robert
Sala understanding the situation that he was in this year
with Rogers going down what four places in the season.
I just I think they'll give him so next year,
but like next year without a doubt as a make
or break year, like that is it, I would think
at least I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Look. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think they're gonna.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I just I can't imagine they're going to make a big, wholesale,
sweeping change because this comes off to me like it's
not Robert Salam making some of these decisions, but he's
the one that has to go to the podium and
speak and be accountable for that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
You know. That's how it comes off and feels to
me watching it. And they've got a ton of leaks
in there, They've got a ton of stuff going on.
I just it feels like he's putt in a tough.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Spot and you can see it on him every time, like, yeah,
he told me Monday he wants the ball, like okay, yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
It sounds like something from a movie, like a coach
I went back and I want the ball, Okay, good
says that. All right.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let me ask you, this is this worse than when
Charlie Frye was the starter of your rookie year, got
benched at halftime and then was cut after being named
team captain before the opener, Like, which is worse.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Uh, this is worse because it's Druggne for a long
period of time. Like what was bad about that was
all the reps, all the time, everything else that you
invested into a player that after one half of football
you completely turned course and then traded him like.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was that was bad.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
But this is still the same situation where you've got
a ton of time money invested into a player and
then you keep like putting him in, put him back out,
putting it in like you're almost you're like almost hurting
and stunting that growth of that player by how you're
handling it. Like at least they allowed Charlie an opportunity
to move on like early in the season somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
That's the key.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
That's the key if they would did what Brady just
said Jonas and just let let him go like Deltam
or whatever it is they needed to do. Robert Salah,
even in Aaron Rodgers' injury, could have been able to
really really manage this in a way where we lost
Aaron Rodgers like we're going to do the best that
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we can do and that's that's all we have. Instead
he has to deal with the continued saga and soap
opera of Zach Wilson in the Days of our Lives,
like that's what's going on here, and that is purely
based around Zach Wilson, and whatever the infatuation is of
(07:00):
the coverage of Zach Wilson, and Robert Sala has failed
miserably on how he's handled it.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it also feels like they're listening to people on
the outside way too much, because if you looked at
the quarterback situation in New York, it's been obvious and
we've talked about it. Zach Wilson has been the best
quarterback and has given them the best chance to win.
Yet for some reason, they let outside voices tell them, no,
(07:27):
you got to get somebody else in there. No, he
can't do it. There's got to be somebody else in there.
And it's like multiple years in a row, somebody else
has gone in there, and with the exception of Mike White,
who really had what one decent game it it hasn't
worked out. And for some reason, they just listen to
everybody else's opinion on the outside and then go back
to what if we're to believe what he says, which
(07:48):
is tough at this point. But if we're to believe
what he says that we've always felt Zach gave us
the best chance to win, why'd.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You move on?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He didn't get hurt.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He has played better than last year, like despite what
anybody wants to say. And yet here we are again
and they're cutting another quarterback who just started a game.
What is it because he had the fail Mary, the
pick six on the fail Mary on Black Friday. Come on,
the game was already.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That play just completely backfun.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I mean, what that's not Tim Boyle's fault.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Though, I know, but there's one of those plays You're like, man,
all right, God, I'm hoping to pray that this thing,
this thing gets into the ends.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Gods up there like it will what you drop back
to lots of that thing? Oh oh wait, what happened?
Oh no, oh.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
No, it's just the whole building's terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I just it really feels like everything they're hearing
from the outside matters to them, Like, oh well, you know,
people are telling us we got to move on from okay,
and you saw the results, Like you saw what happens.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
We're doing the same exact conversation yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, well listen, all right, let's let's transition over to
another team. Yeah, and we're talking a lot of Super
Bowls between these two teams.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Who's more likely to be back? Bill Belichick or.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Robert Salaw roberta which is which is shocking?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think they're both going.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
To be out.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Thirty is the over under for this game between the
Steelers and the New England Patriots. You talk about too
proud franchises.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
What's the weather supposed to be like too in Pittsburgh? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Good call, let's look that up.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
It's not supposed to be good. I don't think let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
To effort this here. Is it still Acupuncture Stadium?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
I mean, don't you have well, I don't think you
have to put in that exact address. I think Pittsburgh
still works. Don't you have the weather channel of Jonas
like always?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, but they're they're showing some stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
The mountain mountains are probably blocking.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, there's snow on the mountains. Yeah, there's uh, Stephanie Abrams, we.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Uh gun up, gun up? What you got the weather there?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I like so some people would just go Pittsburgh
in general, I'm gonna go zip code specific on just
the state. Yeah, well, because like in Chicago, if you
want the weather at Soldier Field, it's six oh six
oh five. If you wanted it at Wrigley Field, it's
six oh six one three.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Big difference, huge difference there.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Micro climates, they call it Jonas.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
All right, So here we go Pittsburgh. Is that what
they call it?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yes, that's what they call it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Varies from place to place, all right, So here we go.
We are looking at Uh, I'm still efforting. I told
you we got Wi Fi problems here.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It's not I think it's usual.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now I'm telling you we got Wi Fi issues here,
all right, so give me one second.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
All right, here's what Pittsburgh looks like for tonight, thank you. Yeah,
that's about to.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Do high of forty six, low low of thirty six,
and the win the most important. Looks like it shouldn't
be too bad, about six miles per hour, So should
be a good good fall night, winter night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
What we're gonna call it right now for some football.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, that was Was that zip code specific or was
that just a general Pittsburgh overview?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
It was general Pittsburgh because you know, we're up against
the break and you somehow have not.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Been able to deliver.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
All right, So here we go.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
This is there's no rain.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, this is what I'm looking at here, all right,
and you tell me if this differs. Okay, I'm looking
at eight o'clock Eastern time tonight, forty two degrees, partly cloudy,
half a moon wins southwest at six miles an hour.
But it does feel like thirty eight degrees according to
(11:53):
the zip code specific search.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That's actually perfect football weather. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like you love that, and so you feel like that's
going to impact. Maybe we get a shootout here.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
To be quality fifty two moderate for New England? Is
it gonna be? Back? Jones to me, Bailey Zappy.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I said, Bailey Zapp, you made some comment yesterday. I
think it was.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Where he said, I think you zero low.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
He said, I think it's pretty obvious who the starter is.
But I'll like coach say that or whatever. So Bailey's
at it feels like we're gonna get zapped later on tonight.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Does it feel like like us getting zap gives them
a better chance of winning?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
No? Yeah, I don't feel that way either.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Right ZAPPI versus Trubisky so that's what we're getting later
on today.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
They said the wind chill will make it feel like
it's twenty eight degrees humidity, seventy six percent pressure thirty
point ten i n HG for a low and a
high visibility ten miles. It's perfectly clear. And now you
(12:58):
have your weather report from Pittsburgh for the stillers now
in the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I can guarantee you one thing that is going to
be featured at this game later on tonight, and it's
something that you guys have waxed poetically about when it
comes to games in Pittsburgh at either Heinesfield or Acupuncture Stadium,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
A little bit of this, a little bit of this
you're gonna play.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
From the beginning, though. That's something like the beat really.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Gets But Sam, can we get it from the beginning?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Why not? It's such a it's such a long build up.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You want you want the a cappella coming in? Yeah,
he kicks in.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yeah, that's all right. Sam's never been there.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
No, Pittsburgh, It's it's Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I'm in the game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I actually saw Iowa playing pitt at Hinesfield at the time.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Exact same thing. Sticks reda game in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yep, that was not an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But okay, Sam, I would argue the intro is better
than the actual course.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Hey, by the way, this is a classic. Sam.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
He's been there in the stadium, so of course he
takes full responsibility of saying I've been there, I've witnessed
this this before, even though he actually has not ever
seen in a Pittsburgh Steelers home stadium game.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Sticks Rene game going in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Sam, can we play from the beginning? Please?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It's been too long of a build up, that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Oh how long are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Was it like?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's like it's like a minute.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Maybe this is bad radio, but you have to play
the You have to turn.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
The base up.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
This is so much better than the actual course, coop,
Am I crazy, so much betterstand.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
This is when they get the terrible towel started. Oh yeah,
they have the jumbo tron stuff going on. Come on, Yeah,
you can understand see sample's there for an Iowa pit game,
but you've got to.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Be there for a Steelers dude. Yeah, it's entirely different.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
The pit marching band ad a crop circle to Maca.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
By the way, late lay the points with the Steelers. Yeah,
here it is. Yeah, come on, this is when they
just punched Sam right in the face.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Risky back to throw. He's got pickings ters up.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Dead as a scarred Chicago fan.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Jonas, are you not anticipating this peak anywhere close?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I would say I do like Trubisky more than most.
I felt like he was sort of the fall guy
for Matt Naggi and that whole disaster that balls out.
I too, because listen, Mentor Ohio guy, you know, that's
that's how we feel about it. But he's uh, he's
made a lot of appearances for Kenny.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Mix up Trubisky being from Mentor and then Drew Aller
being from Medina.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Tooth Ohio guys. Though, yeah both mister Ohio's was not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, well, listen, it's going to be a both representing
it is two pros and up with Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio. We got a lot done there that segment.
There's LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox at the all right, so.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
There's the conversation of Robert slog. We heard some are
coming back, some say he's coming back, Yes, some are
saying he's going.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, you're already calling your shot. You thinks all
this gone?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I think it's a strong possibility, damn.
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Speaker 2 (17:06):
So we opened up the show talking about the dysfunction
in New York with the Jets in their quarterback situation,
and we start our three of the program talking about
a former New York Jet and that being Jamal Adams
of the Seattle Seahawks, three time pro bowler, and apparently
somebody who likes to get after it a little bit
on social media and on Twitter. So this is the
(17:28):
way this story went. Connor Hughes of s n Y
He's an NFL reporter. He commented on a video of
Jamal Adams getting beat on a play while with Seattle,
and he wrote, yikes.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So Jamal Adams.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Found a picture of Connor Hughes's wife and posted that
on social media and wrote yikes.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh no, Well, of course that got a ton of blowbocks.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
One of the uh one of a guy who works
with Connor Hughes in New York, Brian Costello.
Speaker 10 (18:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He wrote, I've covered a lot of players through the years,
never met anybody who's more of a phony than Jamal Adams.
I always thought he was a bad guy. Today he
proved he is even worse than I thought. Jamal Adams
wrote back, ah, and here comes mister potato head, mister
Hughes's right hand man. Truth be told, I do not care.
I do not like you, never liked you. You're terrible
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at your job. You do not know me outside of
the game of football. So keep that bleat pushing hashtag
pres well. Pete Carroll was asked about the interactions between
Jamal Adams.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And members of the media, and this is what he
had to say.
Speaker 11 (18:45):
Yeah, we've already addressed it with him, and you know,
I don't know if it was a great decision at
the time. I'm not sure about the details of it,
but I know that he realized that, you know, he
needed to take it down what he put up, and
so we don't want to do we don't want to
be part of that.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Unfortunately, Jamal Adams decided to double down yesterday when talking
to reporters when he said, quote, when others go low,
I go lower. You can sit there and have regret,
but I don't live that way. In my life. It's
always the athlete that cross the line when he responds.
But at the end of the day, disrespect his disrespect
however you want to take it. So I responded, I
knew when I did hit that tweet, I wasn't in
(19:23):
it to win it. At the end of the day,
it was to get him to understand quote, leave me
the hell alone. So that from Jamal Adams, and it's
a cute little back and forth with members of the media, so.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
He didn't take down mister potato hit though.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, that's still there man.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
This is it.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Seems like it's a fairly simple situation, but it's not
because you can really see all the all perspectives of this,
Like in this case, Jamal Adams looks like the bad
guy because of his response, And obviously that was a
necessary and it brought someone into the conversation that doesn't
it's not necessary, right that being said, like, you know,
(20:02):
to look what starts all of it, like Connor Hughes, Right,
is it his job to post stuff on Twitter to
kind of clown a player?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Like? Is that ultimately his job? Does he get.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Paid more for creating great content on his Twitter account
or any other social media page.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
For that matter.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
No, he chose to make that decision in a realm
that really doesn't have anything to do with what he's
ultimately who he's contracted by, what he's paid for.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Now, people can take issue with that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
They could say, well, you know, social media following helps
create more clicks, more viewers, more attention, blah blah blah,
amplify stuff. Right, it still was unnecessary, so you know,
I don't know the backstory between these two.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
If there's personal vendetta.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Adams that they've had a previous history, sure, but I'm
saying who knows the extent right, Like, and we're only
hearing from his side of it.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I'm just saying like nowadays, in social media, like people
feel liberated to kind of say and do what they
want and then not.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Face the consequences of that.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And this goes for both sides of this, Like for
the reporter to do something like that that obviously he
was motivated to because of maybe their their past relationship
or past interactions, but it wasn't necessary he chose to
do that.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
So like you're gonna say something to someone like this
is where.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Like the world of and being an athlete in a
stadium where everyone's talking trash to you and saying stuff,
We're like, guess what the fence is down? Now you're
on a level playing field with them where they can
punch back, they can talk back, and you're not gonna
like what happens because like when people talk trash back
and forth, Like one of the things I'd say is
like that locker room is a crazy place, bro, and
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the stuff people say to one another is tough. And
that's why people usually say, what's what happens in the
locker room stays in the locker room, because there is
so many like vicious things that are said and that
maybe happen that you don't what makes sense to the
outside world. And the problem is is you're now kind
of inn essence poking the bear or trying to poke
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a player who's in a locker room. Who that's what
they know, that's the world they live in, like it's
survival of the fittest. And so you're not gonna like
how a guy comes back. And look, not every professional
athlete it's gonna handle themselves the same way. Some are
gonna be much more professional about it. Some ignore it,
they'll act above it. But in this case, like you
kind of open yourself up to that. And so I'm
(22:30):
not trying to say, like I'm on Jamal Adam's side
in this case, I'm just saying, like social media is
and it's awful for our society.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I know we try to make a big deal about
it for people making money and digital marketing and all
this stuff, it is probably done more harm to people's
reputations and careers with people being fired and stuff that
has been posted and the reasons why corporations have had
to you know.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Reprimand people that actually helped people. That's just my view
on it.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Like I really don't view it, and I'm on it
in part because I've always been warned that you don't
want people to be out there like speaking on your
behalf now with AI and everything else coming out, who
knows what this world looks like the next five to
ten years. But I just think like this is it's
an easy out for people to go, Oh, Jamal Adams
is a bad guy for what he said.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Why the reporter provoking in the first place? Then, like
why did he feel was necessary to do that?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
In both cases, like both guys are wrong, And I
think you could see it that way and just say, yeah,
maybe this is something that like we should just try
to have a team policy on if you're the Seahawks
and say like, unless it's for like a business thing
or something, or you feel provoked I want to post
about your family or something.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like, just stay on social media because it's never going
to benefit you in season. It's just not.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
And on the flip side, if you're part of the
media and all that. It's like, well, yeah, be careful
like who you try to like say stuff about and
come after because you're not gonna let This isn't a
corporate working environment. It's the NFL. It's national athlete. Like
it's different. Like most people can't handle some of the
stuff that's that's set in the locker room. I'll just
live it at that. I just found it to be
(24:10):
pure entertainment like.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That, And that's always been your stance on social media.
You like it, you find entertaining, and you like to
engage in that.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
It's pure entertainment because in the end, those people don't
know what you're going through on a daily basis, what
your life is like, and we don't know what they're
going through and what their life is like. Same difference
here with with this reporter and Jamal, they don't they
don't know each other's lives and and so you're shooting
(24:40):
an insult and the insult is it's it's it's empty calories.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
If you ask me, so, I don't.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I don't find myself getting too deep into it, like
I don't like I'll get like he took a personal
shot like and and it's what I've found is there
are no rules in social media like you would think,
like even in the locker room is malicious as guys
can be with comebacks and with jooning, and and with
(25:12):
with trash talk. Generally speaking, there are unwritten rules like
leave wives and spouses out of the equations, leave leave
parents out of the equation. Once you go there, then
now it's not it's not for fun. We're not having
s and giggles. It's this is real. And then now
(25:35):
that means someone in the locker room needs needs to
intervene in what's going on, what's taking place in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
On social media that doesn't exist.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
So there when there are no rules to to how
you engage, then it's interesting because when when someone of
note plays by no rules, people get offended. They can't
handle it, Like how could Jamal Adams do that? Well,
a million other people are doing the same exact thing.
(26:07):
You should that you right, So now you want to
start like like, for instance, somebody came at me the
other week and said, LaVar only defends James Franklin because
he wants his son to go to Penn State.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That was me by the way, I apologize, and I.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Said, and I say to him, I said, I don't
need to do any selling or ass kissing over my son.
He he does fine all about him. And by the way,
he would knock your ass out.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Now, here's what's funny. I'm talking football When I said
he'd knock your ass out. I'm talking football. So that
the person writes back, oh, that must be Cte. You're
so violent just because I said something about you, You're saying,
now your son is going to punch me out and
beat me up like d like And I left it
(26:57):
at that like and it was it was like to me,
it was just a like entertainment, like I'm I'm saying
what I'm saying, you're your commenting on the post.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
It is what it is.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
So for me, I look at it like if I'm
Pete Carroll, I'm like, that's a grown ass man. What
he does in his spare time is what he does
in his spare time. If anything that he does impacts
what we do here and our facility, then that's when
I'll have a conversation with him. Because social media is
(27:32):
if you're looking at social media, you can you can
go one or two comments down and there's somebody being
a jerk, like that's the bottom line. It's almost like
the criteria is to go on to this show or
go on to to to the social media spear and
let people know how miserable you are about your life,
(27:53):
because really that's all it is. When you when you
put your negativity on social media, all you're doing is
that you're unhappy with yourself. So for anybody to allow
that to become more than what it is, then you know,
that's on you. That's your own personal choice. That's how
to me, that's how I look at it. Because social
(28:15):
media is not going anywhere. You're not going to get
players to not use it because they are going to
use it. People, other people, media, other people, their sources
or whatever, they're going to use social media. Everybody's going
to use social media. So if you decide to put
your own credibility out there on the line and you
want to impact it that way, that's your choice. That's
(28:38):
your choice. And if that hurts you in the job place,
that's your choice. You know, because some of these people.
The one thing that's different when a pro athlete does
it or when a media person does it, people know
who you are, and they do sit there Jonas and
say you should be better than that, and in reality
they should, they should, and that's a choice that you're making.
(29:02):
But there is no real to me, there is no
real there is unless you're you're doing something that breaks
the law, or you're saying like I want to kill you,
or you should kill yourself or like whatever. Data if
it doesn't go that far on social media, I could
care less, man, honestly, like you could go, you could go,
people go racist on it, like you know, there's people
(29:24):
that have have had racial, racially driven undertones and how
they addressed me on social media.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I don't care. I really don't.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I had a guy send me a message when I
was doing weekend overnights and I don't know what I
said that must have pissed him off, but he went
in on because the picture of my Twitter profile is
me and my mom and you guys know how I
feel about her, and he went off and just called
her every name of the book, and I mean it
was it was bad, and I just wrote it. I
(29:55):
wrote him back. I was like, you're all right, and
he never I didn't hear from him. And then the
next day I get a message from him and he
was like, I'm so sorry. I was drinking this and
that so fun. And my old thing was like, hey man,
I don't take any of this stuff personal. It's fine,
but if I were you, I would delete that immediately
because you wouldn't want an employer or somebody seeing a
(30:17):
drunken moment in Twitter and to go ahead and evaluate
you as a person as a whole on that one moment.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And he deleted it and I never heard from the
guy again.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
But there is this thing where once you have that
screenshot or that snapshot of somebody, like, we don't know Jamal.
I don't know Jamal Adams. He could be a good
a good dude. I have no idea. But now the
reputation is, oh, well, he's going to pull up a
picture of your wife and put that on social media.
If you if you snap at him about his play.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Like it is, you're.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Any better whether he pulls up a picture of your wife, armadillo,
cow tortoise, You're not going to get to know who's
Am Adams really is. So whatever it is that you
draw Jamal, so whatever conclusion you draw, you can draw
it. It doesn't matter because it's not going to be accurate anyway.
It just comes down to professional integrity. Do you want
(31:12):
to be a person of integrity or not? That's ultimately
that's what it comes down to for any of them.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
By the way, when you bring up Sam Adams, are
you guys a cold snap or a winter Fest?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Oh? Cold snap?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
And that's directly correlated with ah, some good memories for
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean Octoberfest.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Cause I'm about to say I like october Fest. I
do that.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
We need, we need to get a round of cold
Snaps with LeVar.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
LeVar, get after it.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
That old Ted's Moontanael God, I love that place. It's
so good. We got to get the break, guys, we
got a buy.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
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Speaker 3 (32:03):
Right now, Albert Breer is in.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
He's a senior NFL reporter at the MMQB also lead
content strategist. You can get him on Twitter or x
at Albert Breer. Albert, What's happening.
Speaker 10 (32:16):
I think I had my bluetooth under control this week. Guys,
So fingers cross, no promises, the fingers cross.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
How'd the hockey tournament go?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
How'd he go? He was warmed up that time?
Speaker 10 (32:27):
He pretty good? We I did. We won our first
three games. The gold differential was like plus forty five.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
And then we lost in the final plus forty five.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
Good lessons, good lessons for the kids. It was yeah,
I mean I for one reason or another art the
grouping we got put in, we won, I think it
was sixteen to two, and then like good, like sixteen
to nothing, and yeah it was. And so I think
our kids might have gone into the final with a
little too much confidence. And then the year came out
(32:58):
of the balloon. I mean, you know, the final was
actually the one game I wasn't at, so you know,
maybe maybe it was missing my presence there.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Now, what position does your son play?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
He's a wing?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay, does he throw down at all?
Speaker 10 (33:14):
We dropped the He's pretty physical. He's pretty physical. Actually,
like they they're not checking yet at this level at
the nine year olds don't check. I think it's the bantams.
I'm still learning all this stuff. Because I didn't play hockey,
but I think they don't start checking untill they're twelve
thirteen years old. But I mean he played football in
the fall, so he's probably one of the more physical
kids out there.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Nice, nice, all right, ab We got to ask you
this though, because I mean, it sounds like, you know,
at least he's on a good hockey team, but it
does appear like Aaron Rodgers is on a bad football
team and it's a mess. There's been the Tim Boyle
to the Trevor Simeon back to Zach Wilson demoted to
third string, but now he's the best like it just
(33:56):
it feels like Robert Sala. I don't know if he's
making it up as he goes along, but who's calling
the shots there? And could this be an indication that
maybe he's on a hot seat that a lot of
people didn't expect when when the move was made to
bring in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I think as long as Aaron Rodgers is there, the
guys who are there are okay. I think you know
where things could get a little dice here is if
Aaron Rodgers were to announce on New Year's Day for
some reason that said he's done playing football, which I
don't think is going to happen. I do think the
guys there are going to get another shot at this
and then another run at this and running it back
(34:33):
with the same group of of of of coaches, a
lot of the same players next year. But yeah, I mean,
there's no question this. There's a blood up. There's blood
on a lot of people's hands right now, and you know,
I think it goes back again. And this is a
decision that I thought was a sound one at the
time to keep Zach Wilson as the backup. You know,
I think you know, the way, the way the way
(34:55):
they looked at it was if we can bring him
back and we can sit him for a couple years
and he can have the chance to reset and watch
and learn beyond Aaron Rodgers, you know, we might get
a different quarterback two years from now and then have
the successor to Aaron Rodgers. The risk in that plan
is that, you know, like is what happened, which is
(35:15):
Aaron Rodgers gets hurt almost right away and now Zach
Wilson actually has to play. And you know, I think
that that was you know, kind of the decision that
they made and using that second quarterback spot as like
almost a developmental position rather than a real spot on
the roster, which is what they would have done if
(35:35):
they had brought back, say Mike White or someone like
that that you know, Cooper Rush, somebody who could go
and play in a pinch for you and give you
average quarterback play. So yeah, I mean, I think if
there's anything you question is not not so much like
you know, what the hell were you doing as the
philosophy and making the decision that they made with a
(35:56):
team that was so ready to win right now.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
So I mean, who's ultimately going to be the one
to blame if this season goes the way we think
it's going to go. You have to look at how
they handled Zach Wilson, which I mean, look, I differ
on you and that I never thought it made sense.
It still doesn't make sense. This season has only proved that,
and it's actually gotten worse.
Speaker 10 (36:21):
Because you're you're not an advocate for sitting guys, right, No.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's it's actually the exact opposite.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
It has nothing to do with what I'm advocating for
what I believe in Either way, I think every every
player's situation is different if you have a quarterback like
Zach Wilson. In my opinion, he needed to probably sit
and watch and learn.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Problem is with the way they handled him last year
and bringing Aaron Rodgers in. It never made sense to
sit there and say we're gonna sit him two years,
he's gonna watch Rogers.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
How does that make sense now?
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Now he's to the point where he needs to go
somewhere else with a fresh start to go play and
be in a different environment. That's not a it's not
a you know, a matter of should he sit or
should he not?
Speaker 10 (37:02):
That's fit thing.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
It just it didn't make sense of the timing of all.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
It would have been in the same place, It shouldn't
have been in the same place.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Sure, But regardless of that, if the season goes the
way it's going, I have a hard time league like
someone's not going to take the fall force, someone doesn't
take the blame for it.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
So like the one guy that you would point to
would be the because the defense has been fine. Right,
So Allbrick is you know, I think you'd be crazy
to fire Jeff Ulbrick after the way the defense has
played for most of the year, Right, and I think
Salah has done a decent job managing this. So then
you point the finger Nathaniel Hackett, but like that's Rogers guy,
(37:44):
And that's like sort of the tricky thing about it,
you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, so like,
if you're looking at this globally, right, the fall guy
would either be the GM Joe Douglas, who put the
defense together right and who did make that decision at quarterback,
but it's put together a pretty talented roster, or be
Saniel Hackett. And if this is Saniel Hackett, that's Rogers guy.
You know, Like, so do you get rid of Rogers guy? Like,
(38:07):
on balance, what you're saying, Brady makes all the sense
of the world is somebody probably should take the fall
for this, especially when those guys, that group has been together.
You know, most of those guys have been together for
three years now. But the problem is, like if you
look at the different circumstances with the different people involved,
it's like you're not going to point the finger at
somebody in the defensive side of the ball. The guy
(38:28):
on the offensive side of the ball is Roger's guy.
And then you know, you look at the front office
and it's like, well, the record is not very good,
but the roster is and so like that's where I
think it gets a little difficult. And that's where I
think it's like you look at it like just for
each individual spot, and you say, man, they probably aren't
(38:48):
going to run it back next year because all these
individual circumstances kind of point you in that direction.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Abe.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
I want we were just talking about what happened with
Jamal Adams and the reporter on social media. I'm curious,
like would you would you ever have you ever commented
on on anyone's any players post or anything like that,
and have they responded back to Have you ever had
(39:18):
a back and forth like what what's your idea opinion
on how media relations and player relations should play out on.
Speaker 10 (39:26):
Social You know, LaVar actually had one over the summer,
and it was I had done some reporting at the
end of last year on this player on the Patriots,
Jack Jones, who like if you remember, he was suspended
at the end of last year, and I had reported
that it was because he was late to and missed
some reab sessions. And on top of that, like when
(39:48):
he was confronted about it, like he and Bill Belichick
had a back and forth, like after he was told
that they were going to sit him down, that he'd
talked back to Bill a little bit, and you know,
like that story was reprised and the gun thing happened
over the summer, and so I told the whole story.
I was like, all right, so here's all the different
stuff that's happened with Jack Jones. And so he comes
(40:11):
at me on social media really mad about like the
stuff that I've reported, And of course I stood by
what I was reporting because it was the truth. But
I didn't feel like it would be good for anybody
if I handled that in public, So I didn't go
back and forth in public. And generally, I think, you know,
(40:31):
one thing I've learned about social media is these things
are better handled, you know, in the background. And if
I have to take the hit as a reporter, well
that's sort of part of what I signed up for,
you know, Like do I want to defend myself, Yes,
I want to defend myself. I want to defend my integrity,
my reporting, all the rest of it. But you know, generally,
I found that those things don't lead to great places
(40:52):
and you're better off, you know, I think for the
good of everybody handling those situations offline, and everybody has
different of handling it. But you know, I think in general,
like if a player or a coach or someone wants
to take things into the public forum, I'm at least
going to try to handle it privately out of respect
(41:12):
for that person before I let anything get any more public.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter and lead content strategist at the MMQB. You
can get them on Twitter if you have any issues
with what he just had to say. At Albert Breer
is where you can find him. AB who's your MVP
right now? Because we were talking Tyreek Hill earlier in
the week, and it feels like if there was gonna
(41:36):
be a year that a non quarterback one, this.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
May be it.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
Yeah, And I think like both Tyreek and A. J.
Brown probably have cases. You know. I all right, So
I want you guys to answer this question. And this
is pretty simple. I had I did a poll, an
MVP poll, an awards poll midseason. I think I pulled
something like forty or fifty executives with team and one
of them voted for Tyreek for MVP, and he said
(42:04):
to me, He's like, here's my logic. He's like, would
you rather face the Dolphins without Tyreek or without Tua?
How would you guys.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Answer that without Tyreek? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'd say I'd say without Tua, because do we know
that someone can get Tyreek the football?
Speaker 4 (42:22):
I mean, you could try.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
To convince me, Albert, I'm just I'm giving you my opinion, like,
you can have a dynamic wide receiver, but if.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You don't have a backup, they can get him the football.
It really doesn't matter.
Speaker 10 (42:36):
But Brady like even that, it's a question, with.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
All things given, I'm more afraid of Tyreek, Like, I
actually think you could make a better case for that
for for Christian McCaffrey or.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Running back, because you don't have to have a quarterback
that's that effective throwing the football.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
He just has to be to hand it off. So
I would actually make that argument.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
I think that's mccaffery's case too, So so yes, the
answer I think is that those guys, I think that
there are three players, and I should have mentioned McCaffrey.
The knock on McCaffrey would be the other guys around him.
You know like that they also have Deebo, and they
also have by Yuk, and they also have Kittle, and
like they're really good across the board anyway, Like, yeah,
(43:22):
that's true. And so I think there's a I think
there's a legitimate case for these guys, for three non quarterbacks,
the three guys we just talked about if we are
talking about the quarterbacks. The two guys I think that
I would at least make a case for right now
would be Dak Prescott in Dallas. So I think he's
playing his best football and I don't think the skill
(43:43):
talent around him outside of Ceedee Lamba is that great.
And I think he's playing out of his mind good
and he's a big reason why they've got a chance
to challenge the Eagles to win the NFC East. And
then the other one would be Lamar Jackson, who you know,
for some reason outside the league, he is not getting
I think the credit he deserves, the credit that he got,
(44:04):
the attention that he got back in twenty nineteen. But
when I ran that poll in mid season, of all
these executives, he was the overwhelming winner of the MVP Award.
And you know, most of the guys came back to
me and said, he's so much more of a threat
with his arm now with Todd Monkin as his offensive coordinator,
and you know, and and you see the Ravens you
look at him. I think they've got the two best
(44:24):
wins of the season too, with the ways that they
with the way they were able to dominate Detroit and Seattle. Like,
I think that those two games are as well as
any team's played all year long, and a big part
of it is because of what Lamar's doing out there
for them. So I would say, you know, those five
would be in my group would be Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott,
Christian McCaffrey, AJ Brown, and Tyreek Hill and Gun to
(44:48):
my head, I think right now i'd probably tick Dak,
But I think I'm and Lamar ah Man. I like that.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
You know why you said to Ohio State hater Albert Jesus,
I know, I know, I know I'm an objective.
Speaker 10 (45:02):
I'm a objective.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
You guys know that I'm objectively saying you should be
up above your guys, your picks.
Speaker 10 (45:10):
Do you think he should be above Daka Lamar?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yeah, I mean I'll put it this way. He's been
he's been he's been throwing to Tank. Dell's a rookie
and he's the elevated level of everyone else at a round him.
He leads the league in yards. I mean, could you
make the case that any one players elevated their team.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
More than c J. Stroud?
Speaker 10 (45:28):
Are we that that brings up an interesting discussion them Brady?
Are we biased against rookies?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Right? Yes? Probably? Yeah, I made that discussion point.
Speaker 10 (45:37):
Yes, I'm saying, but I'm saying if you take that,
if you take it is like the fact that he's
a rookie out of it, right the way does that sound.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
You can.
Speaker 10 (45:53):
If you take the fact that he's a rookie out
of it, yes, and you you explain the who the
the skill players are Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Dalton Schultz. Right,
they've got good back in Pierce. The lines didn't really
they got good players in the line, but they've been
really banged up up front over the course of the year. Yeah,
(46:14):
you could definitely make a case. Now I'd still I'd
still say dak or Lamar over him. But I mean,
if they make the playoffs, like I certainly think there's
a case to be made for CJ Stroud and obviously
he's the runaway offensive rookie of the.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Year, wasn't they wined the division because that now looks
like it's in their sites.
Speaker 10 (46:32):
It didn't play, Yeah, I mean, especially with Trevor Lawrence
banged up. So you know, I think all of that
is all that's on the table for CJ if they
win the division, if they're able to beat out the
jag and that division is better than we and than
anybody thought it would be. Right the Colts, I mean,
the Colts are right there too with Gardner Minshew and
they're Anthony Richardson out. You know, I think Shane Stiken's
(46:52):
got a great case for Coach of the Year. But yeah,
I mean if the if the Texans are able to
win that division, I mean, Dimiko could be coach of
the Year and CJ is automatic, I mean already automatic
offensive Rookie of the Year, but maybe an MVP.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Candidate to get him on Twitter at Albert Breer. He's
a senior NFL reporter at the m m QB also
lead content strategist there as well too, Albert.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
We appreciate it, man, We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Thanks big al They give.
Speaker 10 (47:19):
You guys another drop there too, like whatever.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
That It was good. That was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Nothing. A little freestyle never hurt anybody.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I'm certain Sam caught it though. There you go.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Okay, that's the best. That's still a goat.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Oh okay, all right, we'll try.
Speaker 10 (47:41):
To raise the barn next week. How about that guy.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
We'll do it.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
We'll make it.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Thank you for your family.
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